You bet, Patrick. I'm new at this so from when I arrive at the river to 
launching the boat is about 30 minutes. Same with the deflation and pack 
up. As I become more practiced this time may shrink, but I'm never really 
in much of a hurry.

Cheers, John

On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 4:34:56 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> More interesting photos; thanks. Particularly interesting is how small the 
> inflatable packs up for rack carriage. 
>
> How long does it take to unfold and inflate, and afterward to deflate and 
> fold up the boat?
>
> On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 9:33 PM John Rinker <jwri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Here are a few more photos of the Riv-raft from my trip to Salt River 
>> today. Highlights include wild horses fording the river, eyeball to eyeball 
>> with blue herons, multitudes of canyon swallows (or swifts?), and great 
>> swimming.
>> [image: IMG_3356.jpeg]
>> [image: IMG_3360.jpeg]
>>
>> For the auditorily inclined, attached is a soundscape of the river. 
>>
>> Cheers, John
>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 4:42:58 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Takashi,  Yes, indeed, it's a lovely way to travel. Very serene for 
>>> the most part. I would have enjoyed this boat when I road along the Nyodo 
>>> River on Shikoku.
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 4:36:00 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Robert, I remember seeing this once upon a time. Perhaps it's where 
>>>> the seed of my idea to get my bike in a boat came from. Very cool, indeed!
>>>>
>>>> Hey Patrick, It's hard to say. The Alpackaraft may be a little more 
>>>> particular about where the bike is placed, but time from arrival to launch 
>>>> is probably similar. I do imagine that Wes is correct- the Alpackaraft 
>>>> weighs only 5lbs, and that's pretty tough to beat.
>>>>
>>>> In the end, I agree with Patrick: any bike/boat combo is just plain fun!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, John
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 3:15:40 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tom Lutz seems to have accommodated himself and his Brompton to the 
>>>>> mass of his Fliptail. I'd guess that with the wheels (or is it a 
>>>>> minimalist 
>>>>> trailer?) and flat terrain that even a weighty boat is less of a problem 
>>>>> than, say, the inflatable 2-person kayaks that my next door neighbors 
>>>>> have 
>>>>> (fun fact: he was a brazer for Serrotta back when Serrotta did lugged 
>>>>> steel 
>>>>> bikes) which take a while to deflate, dry, and roll up.
>>>>>
>>>>> John: what do you think: is your boat easier to manipulate between 
>>>>> bike packing and floating and back again than this Fliptail with tailer?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've no dog in this fight*; I think any bike-cum-boat travel incident 
>>>>> looks like great fun and ought to be illustrated on this list with a 
>>>>> great 
>>>>> number of photos.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [*Ill disciplined imagination: recall the Economist cover with drawing 
>>>>> of Ozarks or Appalachian front porch during Clinton I vs Lewinsky, with 
>>>>> slogan: "He's a hard dog to keep on the porch." Nothing beats Southern 
>>>>> syntax.]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 3:07 PM Wesley <brooks...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That’s a fliptail: https://duckworks.com/fliptail-7-plans-pdf/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I built its ancestor the origami from the same designer about six 
>>>>>> years ago to be a compact tender for the boat we were living aboard. It 
>>>>>> turned out very heavy so we never used it, preferring our inflatable 
>>>>>> kayaks. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The fliptail is probably a bit lighter but I don’t think it’s really 
>>>>>> a great combo with a bike. Would love to be wrong, though!
>>>>>> -Wes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 11:28:47 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now that has to be one of the most interesting commutes I've heard 
>>>>>>> about; thanks for sharing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd love to know more about his boat and what it's made from and its 
>>>>>>> features.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 11:22 AM <rlti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This guy did a bike/boat commute from Jersey into NYC. Pretty 
>>>>>>>> unique setup!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [image: maxresdefault.jpg]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A bike commute you wont believe - Tom Lutz 
>>>>>>>> <https://youtu.be/k-DLqc9Vplg?si=R3KNhdfn5-IZzuEK>
>>>>>>>> youtu.be <https://youtu.be/k-DLqc9Vplg?si=R3KNhdfn5-IZzuEK>
>>>>>>>> <https://youtu.be/k-DLqc9Vplg?si=R3KNhdfn5-IZzuEK>
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