Judie:
RDA-the-guidance-text IS a content standard. It comes with the RDA
Vocabularies (http://metadataregistry.org/rdabrowse.htm), which support
the expression of those standards in data. What you see most of in terms
of examples is RDA-in-MARC, which is not a really functional expression
of RDA. The cataloger scenario examples on the Dublin Core site are
'native' RDA, but pretty 'generic' without encoding. I don't know what
Equella is, but it very likely uses a database, and has some recommended
encoding built in.
This process of figuring this out is not, unfortunately, as simple as
building a pizza (crust + sauce + toppings = dinner), and you'll need
more basic understanding of the environment to make the right decisions
for your project. Without that understanding, all the reading and
websites anyone can recommend will not help you figure out how all these
components fit together. You are, in my opinion, deeply confused, and I
doubt you will get what you need using the methods you've used so far.
Do yourself a favor and get some knowledgeable help to look closely at
your needs and make some informed recommendations. The money you spend
upfront for that will pay you back many times over as you build your
project with confidence.
Diane
On 4/26/11 5:35 PM, Cooper, Judith K. wrote:
Okay this is part of where I get confused and all of the various
articles, books and sites I have been going to haven’t helped me.
RDA is a content standard but at least one thing I have read says that
content standards should be used in combination with structure
standards (DC, MODS, LOM) or Format/Encoding Standards (MARC, XML, SGML).
So can I just use RDA by itself without any of these and if so where
can I find examples, because I haven’t found any on the RDA Toolkit.
Most of what seems to be there is RDA combined with XML or MARC. We
are designing our database out of Equella so I don’t think I can use
either.
The only examples that I have found that weren’t XML or MARC were the
cataloger’s scenarios at dublincore.org. Honestly the RDA Toolkit
would work if I was plugging things into XML or MARC but I can’t find
explanations if you want to do it any other way. Am I really off base
or just slightly confused?
Thanks.
Judie Cooper
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That was a very clear reply, Diane. It is a shame the Dublin Core
website is so inaccessible on account of convoluted terminology and
poor navigation.
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Mark & Judie:
Let me try to clarify some of this--I agree that it can be very confusing.
Dublin Core and the RDA Vocabularies are separate element vocabularies,
and either one can be used by a digital asset management system
(normally the system you choose already comes with something someone
else has chosen). Dublin Core has been 'finished' for some time and is
much simpler, and many institutions and groups have used it and
published freely available guidance for doing so (as has DCMI). The RDA
Vocabularies are more complex than DC, can be used with or without the
FRBR model, and are currently in the process of review. Although there
are very detailed instructions for creating RDA records they are only
available via license (online) or purchase (hard copy). Both
vocabularies can be used to create XML descriptions, as well as with
other encoding methods (RDF, RDFa, etc.), but that sort of help is a bit
more accessible for DC at this stage.
There is not now a publicly available mapping between DC and RDA but
there will likely be some appearing within a year or so. There are
definitely no current plans to change DC to accommodate RDA--that's
extremely unlikely to happen (ever) and not necessary in any case.
These are not easy issues to describe or explain, and there's a lot of
misinformation being shared 'out there' with good intentions but not
much understanding. If you really need help with this, you might want
to suggest to your institution that buying some consultation time from
someone who does know what they're doing is by far the cheapest
alternative for getting a good start with a project (recent graduation
from library school is not a guarantee of competence in this area, since
most schools don't teach this stuff). If you want to talk to me
specifically about recommendations for consultants in your area, that
conversation is better held offlist.
Regards,
Diane Hillmann
co-chair, DCMI/RDA Task Group
On 4/25/11 6:51 PM, Mark Rose wrote:
> The XML of Dublin Core would relate to how the information was
recorded only. Since you plan on using a digital asset management
system, I am assuming there is some database in place that would
record the DC metadata elements. There is a DC task group looking at
incorporating RDA elements into RDA
http://dublincore.org/dcmirdataskgroup/. From what I understand, DC
will have to be altered to account for the RDA elements. DC uses RDF
vocabularies.
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> Mark Rose, B.A.Hons., M.I.St.
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> Hi,
> I'm trying to set up a dam system for all of our photos, documents,
publications and things that we have. Basically catalog it all. We
aren't going to use MARC and are looking at Dublin Core, but really
great explanations of how this works especially in conjunction with
RDA are not easy to find nor are examples. Or else I am not looking in
the right places. I don't need to set it up using xml and can find no
examples involving RDA and DC that do not also involve xml. Can anyone
offer me some advice or am I just totally lost since my last
cataloging class was 20 years ago? Thanks for any help that anyone can
give me I have looked at all of the basics at all of the RDA and DC
sites and the ones that people were suggesting on here recently for
FRBR but they weren't giving me exactly what I needed.
>
> Judie Cooper
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