I totally concur with Doris. Time permitting, I shall add some other thoughts of mine.
Best, Guillermo On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 at 10:58, 'Doris Behrendt' via sage-devel < sage-devel@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > allow me drop some thoughts and step into the silence: > > I am not a developer but >>only<< a mathematician, but am following this > list for quite some time. > Mostly, I have only time to skim-read this list, but it is indeed an > important source of information for me. I nearly never take part in > discussions or polls since I don't have enough time to read all the mails > in detail, do some research (to fill the gaps of my missing developer > knowledge) and then make a decision/write something -- and by doing so -- > not be silent. > > I am very thankful for ALL people who invest time into this awesome > software that I use nearly every day for free. > > For me it is really sad that -- afaik -- two of those persons that invest > so much time into this project (Dima and Matthias) have so many > differences, mainly on a personal level, it seems to me. > > But there are also other people whose posts felt like quite some bad > vibrations. > > As a not so young woman in tech, I am used to such ... problems. > > I would suggest a meeting in person, with enough time, with a good > mediator. Those differences need to be spoken out and worked on. 100 > E-Mails per day will not untangle the knot, imho. > > And, btw, none of all the e-mails made me feel uncomfortable, just sad. > > Best wishes, > > Doris Behrendt > > > On 11. Apr 2024, at 22:50, Matthias Koeppe <matthiaskoe...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Trigger Warning: In this post, I will discuss topics that can make some > people uncomfortable; in particular readers who have themselves been the > target of abuse, bullying, and disrespect in the past. (I apologize if I > have omitted this Trigger Warning in previous posts that touched these > topics.) > > > > My previous post in the series: > https://groups.google.com/g/sage-devel/c/OeN8o14s6Jc/m/ChnpijP3AgAJ, > titled "I: How we talk about past, current, future contributions" appeared > over a month ago. > > > > Unfortunately, this post has been met with a complete silence. I argue > that this is but one symptom of a disease of our Sage community: The > community has been severely damaged by toxicity, not just by the most > recent excesses but already over a much longer term. Possible other > symptoms: > > (1) The lack of visible diversity in our community. > > (2) Silence when harmful conduct is happening in plain sight. > > (3) The disengagement from matters of community, governance, leadership. > > > > I argue that we need active long-term steps to rebuild a healthy, > inclusive community. > > > > Rebuilding our community has to be rooted in consideration for the > weakest in our community, the voices that have already disappeared from our > community, and for the targets of abuse, bullying, and disrespect. > > > > The question that we need to ask is: What is necessary so that they feel > comfortable and empowered to participate? > > > > I argue that it has to start with > > - recognizing and acknowledging the existence and the asymmetric nature > of abuse, bullying, and disrespect, > > - understanding the specific damage that all of these do on individuals > (hint: targets of abuse do not just get "upset") and on our community, > > - learning about the techniques and mechanisms of abusers and abuse (for > example: keeping plausible deniability and "playing the victim" are > well-known parts of the tool set of abusers), > > - affirming as a community the goal of building an inclusive community > in which abuse, bullying, aggression, disrespect, harassment are shunned. > > > > What is counterproductive: > > - Euphemisms such as describing abusive comments as a "heated > discussion". > > - Well-meaning advice to targets of abuse to take a break. > > - Giving abusers the benefit of the doubt. > > - Reprimanding targets of abuse for calling out abuse. > > - Both-siding bullying with anti-bullying activism. > > > > Matthias > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/CANnG188z2kppWTd_MiUBqUsipBuUeytZaWDheOZkKCiu4_AO-w%40mail.gmail.com.
