[MediaWiki-l] Private wiki but share images.
Hello, I have a private wiki running without issues for over a year now, but we want a small adjusment. But a search doesn't really help yet. We want to be able to share the file: namespace publicly while the rest should be behind a login. Is this possible? Best, Huib -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ MediaWiki-l mailing list To unsubscribe, go to: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Dumps.wm.o access will be https only
Aprils fool? On Friday, 1 April 2016, Petr Bena <benap...@gmail.com> wrote: > Can you give us some justification for this change? It's not like when > downloading dumps you would actually leak some sensitive data... > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Ariel Glenn WMF <ar...@wikimedia.org > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > We plan to make this change on April 4 (this coming Monday), redirecting > > plain http access to https. > > > > A reminder that our dumps can also be found on our mirror sites, for > those > > who may have restricted https access. > > > > Ariel Glenn > > ___ > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > ___ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Plz ignore again
What the fuck are you doing? On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Alexandros Kosiaris akosia...@wikimedia.org wrote: ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimania-l] git.wikimedia.org dead due to wikimania ; )
Hello, I always believed that our servers where monitored 24/7? But nobody seems to be arround to fix a core part in our systems? Huib -- Forwarded message -- From: rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com Date: Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 5:24 PM Subject: [Wikimania-l] git.wikimedia.org dead due to wikimania ;) To: Wikimania general list (open subscription) wikimani...@lists.wikimedia.org it seems git.wikimedia.org is down due: * no volunteer has access * no paid person works on weekends * everybody else is at wikimania rupert. ___ Wikimania-l mailing list wikimani...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [MediaWiki-l] MediaWiki-l Digest, Vol 119, Issue 4, help, Wrong info. about our company on wikisuppier
? Op donderdag 8 augustus 2013 schreef Stephen P. Villano ( stephen.p.vill...@gmail.com): You're not the first to be on the list requesting help with that domain. It's off of GoDaddy. A whois from Godaddy gives the following, best of luck with it: Domain Name: WIKIWHERE.NET Registrar URL: http://www.godaddy.com Updated Date: 2013-02-23 04:43:12 Creation Date: 2012-02-22 02:38:12 Registrar Expiration Date: 2014-02-22 02:38:12 Registrar: GoDaddy.com, LLC DomainStatus: clientDeleteProhibited DomainStatus: clientRenewProhibited DomainStatus: clientTransferProhibited DomainStatus: clientUpdateProhibited Registrant Name: xu zhan Registrant Organization: Registrant Street: Nanjing Ti Yu Ju,Zhong Shan Dong Lu 145# Registrant City: Nanjing Registrant State/Province: Jiangsu Registrant Postal Code: 210002 Registrant Country: China Admin Name: xu zhan Admin Organization: Admin Street: Nanjing Ti Yu Ju,Zhong Shan Dong Lu 145# Admin City: Nanjing Admin State/Province: Jiangsu Admin Postal Code: 210002 Admin Country: China Admin Phone: 1-318-294-9591 Admin Fax: Admin Email: xzwx...@gmail.com javascript:; Tech Name: xu zhan Tech Organization: Tech Street: Nanjing Ti Yu Ju,Zhong Shan Dong Lu 145# Tech City: Nanjing Tech State/Province: Jiangsu Tech Postal Code: 210002 Tech Country: China Tech Phone: 1-318-294-9591 Tech Fax: Tech Email: xzwx...@gmail.com javascript:; Name Server: NS1.MEDIATEMPLE.NET Name Server: NS2.MEDIATEMPLE.NET On 8/7/13 10:19 PM, wlbjiab wrote: Dear Officer, Here is Mr. King Wei from Wuhan Line Power Transmission Equipment Co., Ltd.. We found our company establishing year on http://supplier.wikiwhere.net/Wuhan_Line_Power_Transmission_Equipment_Co.,_Ltd. is incorrect, we want to change 2008 into 2000. Pls. inform me of the editor who could modify this article? Appreciate your further instructions, and looking for your soonest reply! Best regards King Wei Import Export Manager Wuhan Line Power Transmission Equipment Co., Ltd. No.5 Yangguang Road, Miaoshan, Wuhan (430223), Hubei, China. Tel.: +86 27 81319015 ext. 8032 Fax.: +86 27 81319175 Mob.:+86 15827280627 www.whlinepower.com Skype: wlbjiab From: mediawiki-l-request Date: 2013-08-07 20:00 To: mediawiki-l Subject: MediaWiki-l Digest, Vol 119, Issue 4 Send MediaWiki-l mailing list submissions to mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to mediawiki-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org You can reach the person managing the list at mediawiki-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of MediaWiki-l digest... Today's Topics: 1. Page edit question (John W. Foster) 2. dumpBackup.php (John W. Foster) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 13:30:56 -0500 From: John W. Foster jfoster81...@gmail.com To: Mediawiki mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [MediaWiki-l] Page edit question Message-ID: 1375813856.14457.1.ca...@beast.home Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Im trying to edit a main Page on a new site; I,m getting this error not sure why, as the file called into error is installed as it is called for. Any help is appreciated. New to Semantic Mediawiki. Warning: Missing argument 2 for ParamProcessor \ParamDefinition::__construct(), called in /home/content/07/11469707/html/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_QueryProcessor.php on line 589 and defined in/home/content/07/11469707/html/extensions/Validator/includes/ParamProcessor/ParamDefinition.php on line 175 Fatal error: Call to a member function setPrintRequests() on a non-object in /home/content/07/11469707/html/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_QueryProcessor.php on line 79 john -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 21:08:37 -0500 From: John W. Foster jfoster81...@gmail.com To: mediawiki-list mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [MediaWiki-l] dumpBackup.php Message-ID: 1375841317.23926.3.ca...@beast.home Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Ive used this to dump what I hoped would be a complete backup of my local hosted mediawiki. Th purpose of which was to import the .xml file to a new working server. The script to import it did the job. however the dumped.xml file did not co -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] The Damned Commons Image Deletion Cycle
To suggestion 2: It makes no difference at all for the discspace if a file gets deleted or not. Since you are always able to restore it it will stay on the server. Suggestion 3: Restore the file on en.wiki if it gets deleted on Commons... No coding needed at all. Huib On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 9:36 AM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.comwrote: I have just had to deal with this - AGAIN - and would like to rail for a moment, hoping to provoke discussion to promote change. I posit that this is big enough to deserve a Foundation-wide venue for initial discussion so am including Wikitech-L. Most of us are probably familiar with the cycle: Person A on en.wp (or, any project) uploads an image which is apparently public domain or free use by any reasonable standard. It gets put on article X. There is much rejoicing. Person B later thinks Oh, this is something other projects might use, and it's 'free', so... and uploads it to Commons. It then gets deleted at en.wp by a helpful bot. Person C on Commons later identifies that it fails to be an entirely free piece under the much-stricter Commons rules, due to some factor that A and B were unaware of. Person C nominates it for deletion there. Poof. Gone. Now, we have NO image, for something that is sufficiently legal under our rules and the law for use on en.wp (and likely, most of the rest of the projects). A delinker bot helpfully comes along and nukes references to the image off the pages that used to have it. Maintainers who miss the bot edit fail to notice that it's gone. Many months or years go along and finally someone notices, and either is an admin and restores the image on en.wp or finds an admin who restores it on en.wp. Now, for someone who sees images as an integral part of the total READERSHIP value we present, in terms of helping people understand things by drawing their attention and expressing ideas and history in a visual manner, the long periods where we've lost all image are mind-numbingly counter to our core mission. That we've evolved into this cycle due to bureaucratic friction does not make it acceptable. PROPOSED: This is not acceptable. Something must be done. SUGGESTED FIX #1: Create a parallel Uncommons project, for shared images which meet minimum project legal non-copyvio standards but do not meet the threshold Commons is insisting on (or we have defined Commons to be). This requires coding in the WMF to allow a parallel project as image source, and would require that Commons' deletion process be modified such that deletions for copyright niggles be a shift-to-Uncommons rather than an outright delete. SUGGESTED FIX #2: Stop deleting things from local projects when they're uploaded to commons. This requires additional diskspace from the Foundation (by some as-yet unknown amount). Ops team - Could you attempt to determine if this would be significant, troublesome, small enough to not be significant, etc? These are not the only two possible solutions, but they come to mind immediately (and have previously when I thought of this). Additional fix concepts solicited and welcomed. -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] The Damned Commons Image Deletion Cycle
Ehm, if a file gets deleted 16 months after the move there is still a log entry from the change in the history of the article right? But if CommonsDelinker should report a list of all deleted files on a wikipage people would be able to check them and restore the local versions when needed? Secondly we should also learn people what can and what can't be moved to Commons so we won't have the problem also. Huib On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 9:54 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 August 2013 08:43, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Suggestion 3: Restore the file on en.wiki if it gets deleted on Commons... No coding needed at all. This right here. It should be trivial to just have an admin restore the deleted file. Or, indeed, for the delinker bot to mark it for restoration. - d. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] The Damned Commons Image Deletion Cycle
Not delink it when its in use on other projects will leave a lot of broken links on projects. I can't believe that would be something what we want? On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 5, 2013 9:58 AM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:54 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 August 2013 08:43, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Suggestion 3: Restore the file on en.wiki if it gets deleted on Commons... No coding needed at all. This right here. It should be trivial to just have an admin restore the deleted file. Or, indeed, for the delinker bot to mark it for restoration. ...if the same filename was used in Commons as in the source wiki. That does not solve the now used on other wikis problem, however, for those other wikis. That is quite possibly a least-effort trajectory however... Maybe don't delink it in the first place when it is in use on any projects -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] The Damned Commons Image Deletion Cycle
The bot alters a page and alerts people about it on the watchlist. By just deleting the file it can take weeks before somebody even notice that there is something wrong. Besides that we have maybe 10 project that allow fair-use Why do we need to break links at 600+ wiki's for 10 wiki's with a different policy? On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 5, 2013 10:10 AM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Not delink it when its in use on other projects will leave a lot of broken links on projects. I can't believe that would be something what we want? Why not? It immediately alerts whoever looks at it that there is something wrong with the image (which there is). Sure, it doesn't look pretty, but you can't have your cake and eat it too. Unless we would want to fork development and presentation on our projects, but that's a whole different discussion. On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 5, 2013 9:58 AM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:54 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 August 2013 08:43, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Suggestion 3: Restore the file on en.wiki if it gets deleted on Commons... No coding needed at all. This right here. It should be trivial to just have an admin restore the deleted file. Or, indeed, for the delinker bot to mark it for restoration. ...if the same filename was used in Commons as in the source wiki. That does not solve the now used on other wikis problem, however, for those other wikis. That is quite possibly a least-effort trajectory however... Maybe don't delink it in the first place when it is in use on any projects -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] NSA
How is this related to the foundation? On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: See attachment. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data Fred ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] NSA
Hmmm, the word wiki isn't named anywhere. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently Wikipedia was or is one of the targeted websites. Risker On 31 July 2013 15:42, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: How is this related to the foundation? On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: See attachment. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data Fred ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
Its more like making a statement on your official homepage. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: Sure; there are countries with taboos around, for example, tattoos. However, given that we run many encyclopaedias containing articles on pretty much everything, taboo or no taboo (including ink!), anyone easily offended is /going/ to be. There's a saying about horses and doors that applies here. Brandon does place his tattoo first. The tattoo, you will note, reads courage. It's what is known as a statement. Brandon is endorsing being bold, not endorsing being inked. On 12 July 2013 12:10, Eddy Paine bloggin...@outlook.com wrote: Hi, I didn't say that people with thats are not proffesionals. I have multiple myself also. I am saying that the page has a lay-out with pictures that all fit together and are specially made for that page. I believe you shouldn't destroy the lay-out or style by adding personal pictures. Otherwhise you should lose the style completly. Secondly we are a world wide organisation, and there are still enough countries where tats are not accepted yet. So it can be wise to try to minimise the things on pictures that can be offensive for some people. And as last. Brandon places his tattoo first and makes his face blurry. Thats why I started posting. If both the tattoo would be vissible and his face I wouldn't have any problems at all. Ed ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Oliver Keyes Community Liaison, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [MediaWiki-l] Tapping into the Backbone
Hi, I'm not sure why this is posted on the mediawiki list? It seems to be complete offtopic like lot of other topics from your side lately On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.netwrote: The GCHQ mass tapping operation has been built up over five years by attaching intercept probes to transatlantic fibre-optic cables where they land on British shores carrying data to western Europe from telephone exchanges and internet servers in north America. This was done under secret agreements with commercial companies, described in one document as intercept partners. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/21/gchq-cables-secret-world-communications-nsa Fred ___ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tapping into the Backbone
Can you please stop spamming Us With topics like this? Its not Wikimedia related at all. Huib Op zaterdag 22 juni 2013 schreef Fred Bauder (fredb...@fairpoint.net) het volgende: The GCHQ mass tapping operation has been built up over five years by attaching intercept probes to transatlantic fibre-optic cables where they land on British shores carrying data to western Europe from telephone exchanges and internet servers in north America. This was done under secret agreements with commercial companies, described in one document as intercept partners. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/21/gchq-cables-secret-world-communications-nsa Fred ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tapping into the Backbone
Where is that question in this topic? Huib Op zaterdag 22 juni 2013 schreef Fred Bauder (fredb...@fairpoint.net) het volgende: Can you please stop spamming Us With topics like this? Its not Wikimedia related at all. Huib It is related. There was a question as to whether edits and other activity on Wikipedia were being swept up. Obviously they are. Whether activities of interest to intelligence agencies are logged or ever used or how is another matter. Fred Op zaterdag 22 juni 2013 schreef Fred Bauder (fredb...@fairpoint.netjavascript:;) het volgende: The GCHQ mass tapping operation has been built up over five years by attaching intercept probes to transatlantic fibre-optic cables where they land on British shores carrying data to western Europe from telephone exchanges and internet servers in north America. This was done under secret agreements with commercial companies, described in one document as intercept partners. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/21/gchq-cables-secret-world-communications-nsa Fred ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanks for all the fish!
of states. And that importance brings high responsibility to keep and develop Wikimedia projects and the movement. * * * Thanks for all the fish! It is pleasure to know all of you! I won't leave wikimeida-l for a couple of days. It's not nice to leave the communication immediately. And you have my email; some of you other means of communication with me. It will be always a pleasure to me if I could help to any of you! ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Toolserver-l] My fading out
Dab, Thank you for all your Work. Best, Huib Op woensdag 29 mei 2013 schreef DaB. (w...@daniel.baur4.info) het volgende: Hello guys, I just extended my personal account until 5. January of 2014 – it is the last time I do this. At this day I will also remove my access as root of the Toolserver. Beginning of 1. July I will start my fade out, doing less and less work for the Toolserver until I am not longer visible. I announce that this early because I think it is fair for you to know that will happen and I like not just to vanish like some roots before. There are 4 main factors why I decided to not continue my work until the end of the Toolserver in December 2014. Reason 1 is that the Toolserver now has a second paid root and 6 months will be enough to teach amette and nosy what I know about the Toolserver. Reason 2 is that there was no real investment in the Toolserver in the first 6 months of 2013 and I very doubt that there will ever be any in the second half or beyond. Reason 3 is that I learned during the last weekend that the support of the Toolserver in the board of WMDE reached its minimum. One board-member announced publicly during the general meeting of WMDE that it is good that there is a timetable for the Toolserver now – I know only 1 timetable for the Toolserver and that’s Silke’s splan of destruction/s roadmap for migration [1]. Another board-member told me during a chatting in the halls that ToolLabs (or the move to) is klasse (~great). It is impossible to improve the Toolserver against the CEO *and* the board of WMDE. Reason 4 are you, the tool-authors. The participation in my survey [2] was pitiful low and the majority of these few who voted, voted to leave the Toolserver as soon as possible or this year – a trend that was already visible on the mailing-list before. So I conclude that the most of you don’t care and whose care will leave this year. While I asked for documentation (or at least correction) in the toolserver- wikis for years, nearly nothing ever happened. But now that ToolLabs is on the horizon you write documentation for THAT – freely. And it is really a joke to compare the empty new database-servers of ToolLabs with our old and heavy loaded servers for performance. Let’s see how fast they are if 10 slow queries, which had run for hours, run in parallel. With very few exceptions none of you helped to protect the Toolserver against ToolLabs; all you were interested in was that ToolLabs provides the same environment so your tools can continue to run there. When I read such phrases like we have to stabilize the Toolserver until Labs is ready or now we need the Toolserver for redirects to ToolLabs I could vomit! I promised in November 2012 that I will stay for another year and I will fulfill that promise – but not a day longer. There is no point in fighting for something if the something has already surrendered and no support is there (not from you, the toolusers, the board of WMDE, the CEO of WMDE or the general meeting of WMDE). These of you who are able to move to ToolLabs I wish luck. Let’s hope that the WMF does not decide to re-focus again too soon. Let’s hope that the WMF does not disable tools just because there are a little slow. Let’s hope that the WMF does not restrict the database-tables even more. Let’s hope that the WMF does not kick the volunteers out completely some days like they did with the WMF-wiki-admins some weeks ago. And hoping is all we can do, because the WMF is a undemocratic construct and ToolLabs is lead by paid roots, so whatever the WMF staff decides will happen. Maybe if one of these things happen you will remember the tiny, slow, unstable, but free Toolserver — but it will not be there anymore. Sincerely, DaB. [1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Tool_Labs/Roadmap_en [2] https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Labs-Moving-Survey -- Userpage: [[:w:de:User:DaB.]] — PGP: 0x2d3ee2d42b255885 -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Toolserver-l mailing list (Toolserver-l@lists.wikimedia.org) https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/toolserver-l Posting guidelines for this list: https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Mailing_list_etiquette
Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki 1.21.0 released
Just wondering: Why do a release à go home? A error like this should be fixed right after Discovery? Huib Op dinsdag 28 mei 2013 schreef Mark A. Hershberger (m...@everybody.org) het volgende: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/26/2013 10:19 AM, Jamie Thingelstad wrote: I assume a new tarball will be generated soon with the right info? Today is my first full day back home since the release. I'll put together a new release today. - -- http://hexmode.com/ Imagination does not breed insanity. Exactly what does breed insanity is reason. Poets do not go mad; but chess-players do. -- G.K. Chesterson -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iD8DBQFRpJixc17xCi38v/URAj2dAJ9+3AOoxFKEZPFzbEzso1k6JxvtCwCcDxwU MGg45u3n1wumpPKIQcoDzb8= =NgOO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)
Hi, I strongly believe that the Foundation shouldn't do actions like this on a Friday. In this case there was a major discussion about it and nobody from the foundation was there to respond. But this week the new MediaWiki version is released on Friday, there is a bug (wrong version details) the bug is minor but there is nobody to fix it untill today. The team say's its just a small bug... But if somebody install new software and it says release candidate they can lose trust. Maybe we should make a policy that a mass-desysop, a new release or any other statement shouldn't be on Friday so that there is somebody arround to respond. On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On May 28, 2013, at 12:38 AM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: However, I have concerns about keeping Gayle in the Chief Talent and Culture Officer position. This type of conversation is really not helpful in any way. I don't know what you're expecting here. --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some interesting thing about our friend User:Shujenchang
Hi Addis, I'm not sure what you try to do with this e-mail, because this behavior seems to be zh wiki only and not a foundation wide problem. This seems to be like trowing dirt. Secondly you say that the user stole the computer from a user and then used a closed browser to vandalize Wikipedia. This is because the user says his computer was stolen. But there is no way in earth to proof that this was the case. (NO checkuser will be able to confirm that the user you are blaming used somebody elses his computer to edit as a IP number). As last you say that he / she stole the account of the ex boyfriend and used it to vandalize Wikipedia. Why do you think it was her? Its good possible that the ex used his account in her house or WiFi or a place where they both come oftenly and then vandalize Wikipedia. Did a CU confirmed that it was her computer? The fact that the blocking user is also a CU it would be very easy to frame somebody like this. And you don't really give any proof. So please be careful before you destroy people's names. On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 8:30 PM, AddisWang addiswan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone There may be no reason for me to post a Blocking Notification to the mail list, but this thing will absolutely let you feel shocked which I think it's necessary to reveal what kind of people working with us, and even making important decision. User:Shujenchang, as know as User:ZH979433, who announced to quit the Chinese Wikipedia after local CheckUsers were elected. But coincidentally, the person who was strongly against the the ZHWP has local CheckUser, was checked and blocked for his disgusting and abominable behavior. User:Shujenchang stole his ex-boyfriend's Wikipedia account and vandalize Wikipedia because of the broken relationship. By considering his announcement that forever quit ZHWP, User:BenMQ only blocked him in one month to warning. People will lose control in sometimes, it might be too unfriendly if presuming his moral quality only by this. When we thought User: Shujenchang will leave ZHWP and things turn to good, another crazy thing happened. User:Shujenchang post personal attacks on his ex-boyfriend by using the account of User:Ltdccba when Ltdccba went to the restroom and left his laptop. By using others' trust, User:Shujenchang framed the person who took him as friend. Was checked twice, I finally understand why User:Shujenchang tried to stop the election of local CheckUser. His account was blocked right now by User:BenMQ. But this friend still try to do something on Wikimedia. Please be aware of this thing, who knows who is next EX or next Ltdccba. The first Blocking Notification: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Shujenchang#Blocking_Notification_on_ZHWP Meta User Page: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Shujenchang Voting Members of the Wikimania 2014 Jury: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2014_jury Blocking information on zhwp: http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:%E5%B0%81%E7%A6%81%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7/ZH979433 User:Ltdccba's explanation: https://zh.wikipedia.org/?oldid=26580664#.E8.AF.B7.E4.B8.8D.E8.A6.81.E4.BB.BF.E7.85.A7IP.E7.94.A8.E6.88.B7.E7.AD.BE.E5.90.8D Sorry if disturbing! Best Wishes! Addis Wang ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki 1.21 release delayed until May 18
What is the blocker? Huib Op woensdag 15 mei 2013 schreef Mark A. Hershberger (m...@everybody.org) het volgende: Despite the my intention to release 1.21 today, I have to delay it until May 18. Yesterday someone pointed out a blocker to me. While we have a work-around for this, I don't have time to integrate it right now, so the release needs to be delayed until Saturday. On 05/13/2013 03:12 PM, Mark A. Hershberger wrote: The final release candidate for MediaWiki 1.21 (rc5) is available for download. See the end of this email for details. There are a number of bug fixes in this release that were not in rc4. Please test this version and report any problems. Barring any show-stoppers, the final release will be on May 15 will be the same as this with just a change to the version number and updated release notes. Changes since rc4: * Changes to JS/JSON value encoding were backed out. * API: Fix parameter validation in setnotificationtimestamp commit 18eb39ecb5b89518c3d4a6cc79834a2c121477ff Author: Brad Jorsch bjor...@wikimedia.org javascript:; Date: Fri Mar 15 14:03:19 2013 -0400 * (bug 47271) $wgContentHandlerUseDB should be set to false during the upgrade * (bug 47489) Installer now automatically selects the next-best database type if the PHP mysql extension is not loaded, preventing fatal errors in some cases. * (bug 47202) wikibits: FF2Fixes.css should not be loaded in Firefox 20. * (bug 46590) 'AbortChangePassword' hook added/documented (find bug) * (bug 46848) toggleLinkPremade added linksPassthru * (bug 47950) Fix IndexPager detection of is first state * (bug 47304) added safeXmlEncodings to UploadBase for svg uploads * (bug 46608) CoreParserFunctions::anchorencode should return a string * Full release notes: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.21 ** Download: http://download.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.21/mediawiki-core-1.21.0rc5.tar.gz http://download.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.21/mediawiki-1.21.0rc5.tar.gz Patch to previous version (1.20.0), without interface text: http://download.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.21/mediawiki-1.21.0rc5.patch.gz Interface text changes: http://download.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.21/mediawiki-i18n-1.21.0rc5.patch.gz GPG signatures: http://download.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.21/mediawiki-core-1.21.0rc5.tar.gz.sig http://download.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.21/mediawiki-1.21.0rc5.tar.gz.sig http://download.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.21/mediawiki-1.21.0rc5.patch.gz.sig http://download.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.21/mediawiki-i18n-1.21.0rc5.patch.gz.sig Public keys: https://secure.wikimedia.org/keys.html ___ MediaWiki-distributors mailing list mediawiki-distribut...@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-distributors ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)
Hi, The Wikimedia Foundation site says the following: The Wikimedia Foundation is proud http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Values to be one of the most transparent non-profit organizations in the world. But the decission to remove administrator rights is made internaly, thats not transparent? On the WMF site people now 3? days later get a message on the talkpage. That messages says two things that are a bit conflicting: 1: We've been talking internally for a while about making the governance structure of this wiki more clear, i.e 2: I apologize, though, for the hasty implementation of this decision! Next to that only 50% of the people where the rights are removed did get that message today. As last Philippe removed all the rights and is after that pointing to other people to explain. That is just stupid, if you do something you should be able to respond to questions. Cause Phillipe pressed the button.. It would be strange and I'm sure it would be not OK if Tim Starling decided to pull the plug from all all the servers and then says you want reasons? Ask Brion... Ow wait, he is on holiday now. But now I am still wondering about the following: Where does the foundation wants to go? Cause volunteers are removed from the blog, removed from the Foundation wiki. If I read correctly its not ok from the WMF side to have volunteers to help with the Toolserver as sysadmin? What will be the next step? Remove all administrators from the projects and let it only be handled by staff? Volunteers are the reasons we have staff. Without volunteers there will be no Wikipedia / media / versity etc and they will all be out jobs. So why are removing all the volunteer functions? On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 3:03 PM, James Alexander jameso...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:00 AM, Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote: Lets get a few things in perspective: 1. How many community members were abusive/unreasonable/whatever beyond what might be considered a startle reaction to an apparent attack without warning? 2 How many people constitute this community Divide answer 1 by answer 2 Consider how much of the response was a snowball effect of frustration due to a distinct shortage of explanation and direct answers to what might be considered reasonable questions. And yes, Welcome to Wikipedia Cheers, Peter 2 is an unreasonable number to divide by when it's such a small cross section of the actual community on these lists. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)
Thomas, She is on holiday, she will not be in the office today? Huib On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Thomas Goldammer tho...@gmail.com wrote: Just a general note, could you please all wait for Gayle to get back to her office? ^^ I think she wanted to address some of the things discussed here on Monday, which is by San Francisco time. So maybe let it rest for a few hours now? :) Th. p.s. sorry about the empty email, my mouse is broken and clicks randomly. 2013/5/13 Thomas Goldammer tho...@gmail.com 2013/5/13 Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.com On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:03 AM, James Alexander jameso...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:00 AM, Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote: Lets get a few things in perspective: 1. How many community members were abusive/unreasonable/whatever beyond what might be considered a startle reaction to an apparent attack without warning? 2 How many people constitute this community Divide answer 1 by answer 2 Consider how much of the response was a snowball effect of frustration due to a distinct shortage of explanation and direct answers to what might be considered reasonable questions. And yes, Welcome to Wikipedia Cheers, Peter 2 is an unreasonable number to divide by when it's such a small cross section of the actual community on these lists. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l That's a bit relative, James. The active folk on this mailing list make for a pretty good cross section of thoughts/feelings/opinions of the movement. I've refrained from this discussion and will continue to do so on specifics, because it's politics and that's not something I do on Wikipedia/Wikimedia. Things have been said in this discussion that I agree with, things have been said that I do not agree with. All in all, my opinion is not needed because it has been expressed by others, and I do not feel compelled to say my side. This is where we speak and we listen, and it is disheartening to read that you feel embarrassed to be from the community when you have to explain drama to them. These threads bring out the best and the worst in Wikimedians, for certain, but it's all out of cause of passion. We're here because we care, no matter the pattern or the tone of conversations. This is a global audience, intelligent, collaborative, and willing to learn. The Wikimedia Foundation is global, intelligent, and I assume good faith about collaboration and willingness to learn. Gayle's email reflects her opinion on getting this concept and working with it in the future, and I'm happy with that. All in all, I guess I just agree with Phoebe. -- ~Keegan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] movement blog, not WMF blog, was: Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)
It had volunteer administrators untill 6 months ago. Huib On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 3:46 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.comwrote: While i fully understand that contents on a domain called wikimediafoundation should be foundation managed (i see your point though that a notification would have been nice), i do not appreciate that a blog on wikimedia.org has no volunteer administrators. The project domains are core to the wikimedia volunteer based movement. Rupert. Am 12.05.2013 19:59 schrieb Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com: On 5/11/13 10:03 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: On 11.05.2013 21:26, David Gerard wrote: On 11 May 2013 19:45, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: i would have expected a movement blog behind this URL, appropriate to the usage of the domain, but i am not sure if i am completely misreading this? Comcom has been actively seeking more contributions from people other than Foundation staff. Most chapters have their own blog, but posts from them for the Wikimedia blog are in practice heartily welcomed. (Particularly in multiple languages.) There's even posts about projects other than Wikipedia or Commons ;-) Matthew Roth can probably clarify (cc'd). - d. At this point I am lost. Comcom is made of the representative of chapters, right? (I just happen to know this because the representatives of the Russian chapter there have hmm... complicated relations with the communities of Russian language projects). Is the blog then the business of WMF and chapters? Cheers Yaroslav __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l The blog and comcom are actually quite separated. The blog appears to be primarly Wikimedia Foundation blog, but they love invited posts that feeds the stream. Comcom is made of many different types of people. Staff and volunteers. WMF and chapters. Affiliated or non affiliated. Flo __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] movement blog, not WMF blog, was: Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)
Hi Huib, we are currently reorganizing the internal communication about the Foundation's blog, and in the process have just removed your subscription. The list is going to see more confidential information in the future, and we want to focus membership more on people who need to know it. I want to emphasize that this has nothing to do with your conduct as list member, and that your interest in and support for the WMF blog (e.g. tweeting new posts) is appreciated. You can still send messages to the list, they will just need to go through moderation. -- Tilman Bayer Movement Communications Wikimedia Foundation IRC (Freenode): HaeB Strange that the blog is internal communications. Even stranger is that Erik asked to create my account, he was completly ok with it. So I'm not sure what the information on the blog is so secret that no volunteers can see it... ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] movement blog, not WMF blog, was: Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)
It was the explanation for both, I have some more communication: -- Forwarded message -- From: Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org Date: Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 6:32 AM Subject: Re: Error on Blog while moderating To: Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com I can, but I'll be honest, it's about number 19 on my list and i'm on about number 2. We'll get it figured out ASAP :) ___ Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader Relations Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 415-839-6885, x 2106 (reader relations) phili...@wikimedia.org On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know if you can check rights? I'm still on all the lists as administrator so maybe something somewhere went wrong? Best, Huib 2011/7/14 Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org I know Jay is incredibly busy today... if it's less than an emergency, it may take a few minutes. ___ Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader Relations Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 415-839-6885, x 2106 (reader relations) phili...@wikimedia.org On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Could you poke Jay or check the rights? Best, Huib -- Forwarded message -- From: Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com Date: 2011/7/14 Subject: Error on Blog while moderating To: Jay Walsh jwa...@wikimedia.org Hi, I get a error that I doesn't have anough permissions to moderate. Did something the change the last week? My nick on the blog is Abigor Best, huib and the reaction of Jay: Hi huib - I got around to this today. I think someone misread your username and changed your role, and possibly a whole range of accounts, some of whom may not have been moderating comments. I put you back to editor status so you can mod comments. We may change roles again in the coming weeks as I slowly investigate how to streamline systems on the blog. We'll let you know. Thanks for checking in jay So after that i was moderator for 12 hours and then all got removed again. This makes me believe that there is no communication between the staffers at all. And I believe Phillipe already knew, but didn't want to tell me... Huib On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 5:51 PM, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Huib: Was that the blog mailing list? I'm not actually sure that's in use at all anymore (I was never on it, I just assumed the discussions basically just moved to comcom). James Alexander Manager, Merchandise Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Huib, we are currently reorganizing the internal communication about the Foundation's blog, and in the process have just removed your subscription. The list is going to see more confidential information in the future, and we want to focus membership more on people who need to know it. I want to emphasize that this has nothing to do with your conduct as list member, and that your interest in and support for the WMF blog (e.g. tweeting new posts) is appreciated. You can still send messages to the list, they will just need to go through moderation. -- Tilman Bayer Movement Communications Wikimedia Foundation IRC (Freenode): HaeB Strange that the blog is internal communications. Even stranger is that Erik asked to create my account, he was completly ok with it. So I'm not sure what the information on the blog is so secret that no volunteers can see it... ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] movement blog, not WMF blog, was: Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)
I see I do have the timeframe wrong with the e-mails. Sorry for that, that means I need to look up to other e-mails and send with Jay also. So far I will stand by my claim. I just had the wrong e-mails. But now you are saying you removed me 4 months after the RFC you removed me from the blog and the mailinglist. That is when I was already unblocked on Meta and Commons and all the other wiki's where I was active besides the Dutch Wikipedia. Nextly you only quote a part of Philippe sending the wrong signal (The same as you blame me for doing?) The complete quote is: While I find the deception here saddening, I do not believe it rises to the level of a global lock/block/ban. It certainly shatters any expectation of trust with me, but does not preclude the possibility of effective editing in other places. I'm willing to put it behind me and move on, provided that Abigor moves forward in a spirit of integrity and collaboration. The biggest fact in the RFC is that there was invalid proof that the vandal account was mine. But then you will need to read all the other pages also... The pages you are not linking. But then the fact is still the same. Months after the dramaz has past one staffer decides without communication with the others that I (and other say they are also removed) need to be removed from the blog. And its to bad that the original blog page is removed, cause if I remember correctly all names are removed at the same time... At last, you should stop attacking me. You will not get good faith answers if you push me in a corner. Yes, I used different account. Also after my block, and all those accounts got barnstars for good work on the Dutch Wikipedia so no I am not a vandal just somebody with Autism that really likes working on Wikipedia and will get a new account if you block me because you can't handle my behavior. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Tilman Bayer tba...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 4:09 AM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Tillman, For the record, the time between your e-mail and my request why the rights where removed is FOUR days. That's a completely wrong statement. I emailed you as soon as I removed you from the wikimedia-blog list. So yes. I stay by my claim I had to find information myself. And showing the mails its visible that Jay didn't know about the fact you removed me either. Which happened four months later. I guess we will have to accept your criticism that Jay does not possess clairvoyant powers ;) So NO you didn't leave me a note when you did it. I get your note four days later. Again you appear to be at least confusing things here, if not making them up outright. Other volunteers also said they where removed, and I will not post that kind of e-mails online. But on the other mailing threat there you can read it yourself also. When I was placed on the Wikimedia Blog I was already blocked by the Dutch Wikipedia, That was no problem for Jay, Erik or the other people I worked with? When I was blocked on the dutch Wikipedia I was also a moderator on Commons, Meta, Incubator and a Member of the LangCOM and the LiCOM. So now your saying: You where / are blocked so you can't be trusted? I guess that makes you a complete asshole. Since the blocks and NL.wiki and lots of other wiki's are made of complete bullshit. Well, as I said in my Nov 2011 email, I did not want to pass judgment on your edits on other wikis, mainly because I hadn't fully read the discussions reading to these blocks. But let's link those on Meta, so others can make up their mind whether they were bullshit: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Abigor https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Global/2011-07#Global_lock_for_Abigor https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Global/2011-01#Global_block_and_lock_for_user:Abigor Regarding no problem for Jay, Erik or the other people I worked with, the first link has a comment by Philippe where he says that you deception ... certainly shatters any expectation of trust with me. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Tilman Bayer tba...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi Huib, thanks for correcting your earlier claim in the main thread that you were never notified about this kind of thing (although unfortunately this correction comes only after your claim already contributed to leaving MZ a little speechless and feeling more and more ... distanced from Wikimedia). I can confirm that this is the text of an email I sent you on November 16, 2011 when removing you from what was originally the blog comment moderators list - with one crucial difference however: On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Huib, we are currently reorganizing the internal communication about the Foundation's blog, and in the process have just removed your subscription. The list is going
Re: [Wikimedia-l] movement blog, not WMF blog, was: Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)
Tilman, But with that said there is still no answer in why did you wait untill 3 months after the RFC when I was deblocked before you removed the rights? And did you talked with you're co-workers or even ur boss (Jay) about it? Huib ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)
The same happend to the Wikimedia Blog. Most of the moderators where volunteers (and the only real active ones also). My moderator rights where removed and I have to go after that myself, I didn't got a message or anything. While I was list administrator for wikitech-l I got the mail also that I needed to give my password so that the list can be run by the staff. I didn't respond to that mail (Thought it was spam cause It was send by gmail). \ It gives me the feeling that we need a bigger fundraiser cause people GET PAYED for doing things other people DO FOR FREE. Huib On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 1:15 PM, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote: This is the email that got sent out to everyone, --- Dear XXX, Thank you for your work with the Foundation wiki. At this time, we are formalizing a new requirement, which is that administrator access is given only to staff and board. I am having administrator access to accounts that are neither staff or board be disabled, effective immediately. Sincerely, Gayle -- Gayle Karen K. Young Chief Talent and Culture Officer Wikimedia Foundation 415.310.8416 www.wikimediafoundation.org --- Gayle's response (which was the first time she has edited the wiki in ~5 months[2]) seems lacking[1] in general and the subsequent responses about knowing what these people do on the wiki Another interesting fact is that Mz got desysoped first, When you would expect it to be done in alphabetically order. We've been discussing this for awhile, and the thought is that it's ultimately the Foundation's web presence, not the community's web presence. A useful parallel to consider might be how userrights are given to staffers on the community wikis; they're distributed as and when they're needed for a specific task. Um, Rights for staff on wikis are given out like candy?, although not as much thee days but it still happens. Also, How is the foundation wiki not apart of the community? Has the position of the legal department changed? or the boards? just randomly changing without any imput or discussions seems utlimately strange. since it is actually their wiki (just like everything else that falls under the foundation) [1]. https://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?diff=91857oldid=91855#Users_stripped_of_rights.3F [2]. https://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributionstarget=Gyoung [3]. https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:Log/rights ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board FDC elections?
I would say my view on the voting rules also, like last year where I was a active editor but wasn't allowed to vote because of the rule that you can't be blocked on more then one project. I was that year a administrator, list administrator and member of the LangCom. But was blocked on a project where I was active before and on a project where I never editted.. This made me not able to vote. With the rule of being blocked it will be very EASY to remove people you don't want to vote... Just block them for a while and they can't vote. The rules of the voting should be changed, so that it would be more easy for people to vote and not let there be a change that people can be excluded from voting by just random facts. Huib On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il wrote: I agree. We should limit it to only community members, or to give equal right to everyone. Asaf, you right, but we are talking also about the FDC elections. a processes where we are not granting chapters and others organizations the right to vote but granting to the WMF. Giving only WMF staff, and not chapters staff the right to vote in community process, it's like saying the first are part of the community, but the second are not. I don't even want to refer to the sensitive issue of the staff voting for their bosses.. On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I would go the other way, and limit the participants in the election for the community seat to people who are members of the volunteer community. Presumably that would include most members of most organizational boards, but only include those staff and other paid workers who also participate as volunteers. Most chapter members and representatives participate not only in the community elections but also in the selection of chapter-nominated board seats. It doesn't seem like chapters as a group are at all disenfranchised. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[MediaWiki-l] Resign
Dear List(s), Currently I'm inactive for Wikimedia after a lot of things changed. The latest change is that I'm now working for a big datacentre and I do not feel that I have enough time for other things. I already got a few mails that I was collecting hats, so hereby I stop as: LangCom member Administrator for Mediawiki-l Administrator for Wikitech I thank you all. -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
[Wikitech-l] Resign
Dear List(s), Currently I'm inactive for Wikimedia after a lot of things changed. The latest change is that I'm now working for a big datacentre and I do not feel that I have enough time for other things. I already got a few mails that I was collecting hats, so hereby I stop as: LangCom member Administrator for Mediawiki-l Administrator for Wikitech I thank you all. -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [MediaWiki-l] AUTO: Elke Holderbeke is out of the office (returning 01/03/2013)
And muted untill 01/03/2013 Op zaterdag 2 februari 2013 schreef Elke Holderbeke (eholderb...@unicef.org) het volgende: I am out of the office until 01/03/2013. I will be out of the office until Friday 1 March. I will respond to your email on my return For any urgent queries please contact Beate Baglietto (bbaglie...@unicef.org javascript:;) Note: This is an automated response to your message MediaWiki-l Digest, Vol 113, Issue 2 sent on 2/2/2013 1:00:19 PM. This is the only notification you will receive while this person is away. ___ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] please send me my INF.
INF? On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Buntha Em buntha...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm Buntha Em ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [MediaWiki-l] AUTO: Patrick King is out of the office (returning 09/19/2012)
#fail On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Patrick King pak...@us.ibm.com wrote: I am out of the office until 09/19/2012. For any issues regarding Classroom Connect, please call the Metrotech desk at 718-935-5424. Note: This is an automated response to your message MediaWiki-l Digest, Vol 108, Issue 10 sent on 09/12/2012 8:00:14. This is the only notification you will receive while this person is away. ___ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [Xmldatadumps-l] XML dumps/Media mirrors update
I'm still intressted in running a mirror also, like noted on Meta and send out earlier per mail also. I'm just wondering, why is there no rsync possibility from the main server? Its strange when we need to rsync from a mirror. -- *Kind regards, Huib Laurens** Certified cPanel Specialist Certified Kaspersky Specialist ** WickedWay Webhosting, webhosting the wicked way! www.wickedway.nl - www.wickedway.be* . ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [Xmldatadumps-l] XML dumps/Media mirrors update
Ok, cool. And how will I get wikimedia to allow our IP to rsync? Best, Huib On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Hydriz Wikipedia ad...@alphacorp.tkwrote: Eh, mirrors rsync directly from dataset1001.wikimedia.org, see rsync dataset1001.wikimedia.org:: However, the system limits the rsyncers to only mirrors, to prevent others from rsyncing directly from Wikimedia. On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still intressted in running a mirror also, like noted on Meta and send out earlier per mail also. I'm just wondering, why is there no rsync possibility from the main server? Its strange when we need to rsync from a mirror. -- *Kind regards, Huib Laurens** Certified cPanel Specialist Certified Kaspersky Specialist ** WickedWay Webhosting, webhosting the wicked way! www.wickedway.nl - www.wickedway.be* . ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Regards, Hydriz We've created the greatest collection of shared knowledge in history. Help protect Wikipedia. Donate now: http://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [Xmldatadumps-l] XML dumps/Media mirrors update
Ok. I mailed Ariel about this, if all goes will I can have the mirror up and running by Friday. Best, Huib On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Hydriz Wikipedia ad...@alphacorp.tkwrote: Ariel will do that :) BTW just dig around inside their puppet configuration repository on Gerrit and you can know more :) On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, cool. And how will I get wikimedia to allow our IP to rsync? Best, Huib On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Hydriz Wikipedia ad...@alphacorp.tk wrote: Eh, mirrors rsync directly from dataset1001.wikimedia.org, see rsync dataset1001.wikimedia.org:: However, the system limits the rsyncers to only mirrors, to prevent others from rsyncing directly from Wikimedia. On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still intressted in running a mirror also, like noted on Meta and send out earlier per mail also. I'm just wondering, why is there no rsync possibility from the main server? Its strange when we need to rsync from a mirror. -- *Kind regards, Huib Laurens** Certified cPanel Specialist Certified Kaspersky Specialist ** WickedWay Webhosting, webhosting the wicked way! www.wickedway.nl - www.wickedway.be* . ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Regards, Hydriz We've created the greatest collection of shared knowledge in history. Help protect Wikipedia. Donate now: http://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Regards, Hydriz We've created the greatest collection of shared knowledge in history. Help protect Wikipedia. Donate now: http://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [Xmldatadumps-l] XML dumps/Media mirrors update
Sure :) http://mirror.fr.wickedway.nl later on we will duplicate this mirror to a Dutch mirror also :) Best, Huib On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Hydriz Wikipedia ad...@alphacorp.tkwrote: Do you have a url that you can reveal so that some of us can have a sneak peak? :P On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Ok. I mailed Ariel about this, if all goes will I can have the mirror up and running by Friday. Best, Huib On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Hydriz Wikipedia ad...@alphacorp.tk wrote: Ariel will do that :) BTW just dig around inside their puppet configuration repository on Gerrit and you can know more :) On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, cool. And how will I get wikimedia to allow our IP to rsync? Best, Huib On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Hydriz Wikipedia ad...@alphacorp.tk wrote: Eh, mirrors rsync directly from dataset1001.wikimedia.org, see rsync dataset1001.wikimedia.org:: However, the system limits the rsyncers to only mirrors, to prevent others from rsyncing directly from Wikimedia. On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still intressted in running a mirror also, like noted on Meta and send out earlier per mail also. I'm just wondering, why is there no rsync possibility from the main server? Its strange when we need to rsync from a mirror. -- *Kind regards, Huib Laurens** Certified cPanel Specialist Certified Kaspersky Specialist ** WickedWay Webhosting, webhosting the wicked way! www.wickedway.nl - www.wickedway.be* . ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Regards, Hydriz We've created the greatest collection of shared knowledge in history. Help protect Wikipedia. Donate now: http://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Regards, Hydriz We've created the greatest collection of shared knowledge in history. Help protect Wikipedia. Donate now: http://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Regards, Hydriz We've created the greatest collection of shared knowledge in history. Help protect Wikipedia. Donate now: http://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] ombudsmen commission
Phillipe, We are now to day's futher. Still no responds from you on or off list, or any responds at all from the foundation. best, Huib On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Bod Notbod bodnot...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 03:52, Pedro Sanchez pdsanc...@gmail.com wrote: It really amazes me how much we distrust the people who have been doing a great work (otrs admins, ombudsmen, etc). I'm going to suggest a benefit of the doubt response and wonder aloud whether it's more to do with what we've come to expect. Most of us start as editors and we become aware that our every contribution is logged and publicly available for scrutiny. That is of tremendous use to us as editors. So maybe it's just that we all started in that environment and see the value of that and then we tend to carry over those thoughts into every aspect of what happens on the wikis. It may not be achievable, desirable or necessary to have access to that level of monitoring/review for everything else (I know nothing of OTRS and/or ombudsmen), I'm just suggesting why these questions may arise: a cultural thing, if you like. Bodnotbod ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Does the wikimediaie list have a moderator?
The mod adres is: wikimediaie-owner[image: at]lists.wikimedia.org I guess somebody is behing it, did you try mailing it already? Best, Huib On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:55 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaie The only mod address is wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org ... The question came up because there was a message from Stevie Benton (media guy at Wikimedia UK) about a press call from Ireland, stuck in the mod queue. It occurs to me there might be all manner of things in the mod queue ... and having a moderator is probably good. (I'll happily be a mod of last resort, but someone actually in .ie would be better.) - d. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Foundation-l] Invitations for Linkdin
Hello all, It came to my attention that people are using wikimedia mailing lists as there primary contact adres for Linkdin. I guess that this is not the way it should be done. Today I found: Felix Reolon using wikimani...@lists.wikimedia.org as there primary e-mail. i don't know him, but I'm sure somebody knows is him? -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] IIS Test Environment (Short URLs)
I have a iis server aivable that is currently not in use. You could use that if it can be europe based, 2012/2/27, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org: On 02/27/2012 03:38 AM, Daniel Friesen wrote: I've finished Nginx and Lighttpd support for the short URL building tool (http://shorturls.redwerks.org/) and I also have unfinished support for thumbnail handlers on the alpha (http://shorturls.jade.redwerks.org/). I am wondering if anyone has spare resources they can use to give me a temporary test environment for IIS with administrator privileges. Essentially I want to setup IIS, install MediaWiki on it, and then configure short urls on it determining the best way to do it as I have done for both Nginx and Lighttpd. Then after that implement support for it into the short URL builder and then re-configure the server and wiki to make sure the config works. I have a couple of contacts at Microsoft who might be able to help you out. Contacting them. Grace, Doug, can you get this MediaWiki developer a test environment with IIS? -- Sumana Harihareswara Volunteer Development Coordinator Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Verzonden vanaf mijn mobiele apparaat Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Bump of minimum required PHP version to 5.3 for MediaWiki 1.20
Haha! Its a fact that cPanel will make the upgrade easy to php 5.3 or CentOS 6.* But I guess it will bring up a lot of questions when it would be bumped up right now, it seems that PHP 5.2.x is still widly in use.. Best, Huib Just checked, but parrelels plesk gives me a PHP 5.3 version, so all hosting companies should switch to Plesk :P On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 2:11 AM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Please note that CentOS is still running PHP 5.2.x out of the box. The same goes for the cheap controlpanel DirectAdmin. With a test in cPanel users almost 90% is running CentOS 5.x with PHP 5.2.x With changing the minimum version we would stop a lot of users from using mediawik... Maybe it would convince people to stop using cPanel. I know it won't happen...but I can dream, can't I? ;-) -Chad ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Bump of minimum required PHP version to 5.3 for MediaWiki 1.20
Hello, Please note that CentOS is still running PHP 5.2.x out of the box. The same goes for the cheap controlpanel DirectAdmin. With a test in cPanel users almost 90% is running CentOS 5.x with PHP 5.2.x With changing the minimum version we would stop a lot of users from using mediawik... Best, Huib On Tuesday, February 21, 2012, Antoine Musso wrote: Le 20/02/12 22:01, Sam Reed a écrit : Here we are again, looking at PHP version bumps. Our current minimum version is 5.2.3, released in June 2009 (5.2.0 was November 2006). I'm proposing to at least bump to version 5.3.0 (as the minimal), release back in June 2006. Though a higher point release would be acceptable Jeroen asked a few days ago too so there must be interest for PHP 5.3 new features. We should stick to 5.2.x for now, the main reason would be to keep compatibility with HipHop Virtual Machine for PHP [1]. I have no idea which 5.3 features is/will be supported, Tim probably has more informations. Also, would be great to avoid code which do not backport to 1.19. I suspect the day we had 5.3.x, people will start rewriting everything to use closure and namespaces, making the code totally different again, breaking back compatibility with extensions etc... [1] https://www.facebook.com/note.**php?note_id=10150415177928920https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150415177928920 -- Antoine Musso __**_ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikitech-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Foundation-l] mobile website
So lets say that Wikipedia doesn't have a active anti vandal crew today, but people can still edit within the English Wikipedia by mobile phone. So we will find in a year all kind of vandal edits done today? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] RESCHEDULED: Mailing lists server migration today
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo says the new version, so I guess so 2012/1/18 Delphine Ménard notafi...@gmail.com On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I advise you delay it again - we need the mailing lists at the moment to coordinate the blackout. Mark's email is 5 days old, so I suppose this has already happened, hasn't it? Cheers, Delphine -- @notafish NB. This gmail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails will get lost. Intercultural musings: Ceci n'est pas une endive - http://blog.notanendive.org Photos with simple eyes: notaphoto - http://photo.notafish.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] RESCHEDULED: Mailing lists server migration today
gmail is having troubles the last few weeks... I miss e-mails daily that arrive much later... On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: Just seen the datestamp... why did that email just come through now?! On 18 January 2012 13:42, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I advise you delay it again - we need the mailing lists at the moment to coordinate the blackout. On 13 January 2012 13:54, Mark Bergsma m...@wikimedia.org wrote: (rescheduled after the cancelled maintenance of last Friday) Hi, Today I will be migrating the mailing lists from a very old server (lily) in Amsterdam, to a new server (sodium) in our new Ashburn data center. Mailman will be upgraded to version 2.1.13 along the way. During the migration, mail will be delayed as all data will need to be transferred to the new host. No mail should go lost, but no new mails will be sent out during the process until done, and the web interface will be unavailable. This shouldn't take about one hour, if all goes well. I will report here when things should be back up and running. Afterwards, please let us know of any new issues, in bugzilla or on IRC (#wikimedia-tech). We don't expect any problems, but as with any software upgrade or migration, this can't be guaranteed... Thanks, -- Mark Bergsma m...@wikimedia.org Lead Operations Architect Wikimedia Foundation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Mediawiki-l] please remove me from email list
Both removed 2012/1/7 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com Follow the link at the bottom of each email - the option to unsubscribe is on that page. On 7 January 2012 16:07, aosm...@gmail.com wrote: Me too. I swear its impossible to get off. -Alex --Original Message-- From: jdavenpor...@cox.net Sender: mediawiki-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org To: MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org ReplyTo: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list Subject: [Mediawiki-l] please remove me from email list Sent: Jan 6, 2012 8:57 PM ___ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l ___ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l ___ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Email notification sender
That we need to change in Wikimedia. Wikipedia is just a small part of the projects. 2011/12/31, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com: Why do email notifications from Wikipedia have the sender as MediaWiki Mail? Most Wikipedia users probably don't know what MediaWiki is. I suggest it be changed to Wikipedia or Wikipedia notifications or something like that. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Verzonden vanaf mijn mobiele apparaat Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia Based Open Source Project - Help On Licencing
Hi, I know that the software we use for our website is payed (www.whmcs.com) and you can add a wiki module. This module doesn't cost any extra money, but you can grap a add-on that costs money what will tune the Wiki CSS into your websites CSS (pretty cool do!) But this is just MediaWiki: http://docs.whmcs.com/Special:Version And the payed addon is a encrypte source code.. Best, Huib 2011/12/30 Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org On 30/12/11 08:30, Dan Collins wrote: On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: It doesn't need to be compatible or open-source right? GPL 2.0 section 2 b: b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License. You can modify GPL software for private use. That clause only kicks in when you distribute or publish the work, so you're generally OK if you're just using it within a single company. Maybe that's what Huib meant by closed source. -- Tim Starling ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Mass changes to bugs by Jan Kucera (Kozuch)
+1 my mailbox just got spammed by him... 2011/12/30, John phoenixoverr...@gmail.com: a user Jan Kucera (Kozuch) (with email of garba...@seznam.cz) has been mass changing the priority of bugs based on a very crude vote count. this is very disruptive and counter productive issue. I would ask that one of our devs mass revert this please. Johh ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Verzonden vanaf mijn mobiele apparaat Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia Based Open Source Project - Help On Licencing
It doesn't need to be compatible or open-source right? I know a lot of closed source projects that use MediaWiki and just leave a note that part is under license xxx by authors xxx. Best, Huib 2011/12/29 Neil Kandalgaonkar ne...@wikimedia.org MediaWiki is open source. The license is the GPL version 2. If you use the GPL or a compatible license for your project, then everything should be okay. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#GPLCompatibleLicenses On 12/28/11 10:31 PM, Sajith Vimukthi wrote: Hello All, I am planning to develop a new Open Source project keeping mediawiki as the baseline. I wonder how the liciening policy of mediawiki will affect my intention. Could somebody help me on whether it is possible to develop my own app using mediawiki and distribute it as an opensource project? Thanks, Regards, Sajith Vimukthi Weerakoon, T .P No : ++94-716102392 ++94-727102392 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Neil Kandalgaonkar ) ne...@wikimedia.org ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Toolserver-l] DNS-problems
There was a error on the leaseweb noc a few days ago. That was about a error between connectivaty in NL and DE. Is that involved? 2011/11/30, DaB. w...@daniel.baur4.info: Hello all, a part of the german community (all member of the same big ISP as far as I see) reported to me problems with the DNS of the toolserver. I doubt that the problems are on our end, but just to be sure: Have had anyone problems to reach the toolserver in the time since 20. Nov. until now, that are related to DNS (and is not a customer by german vodafon or arcor). I would be especialy interrested in non-germany-users. Sincerly, DaB. -- Userpage: [[:w:de:User:DaB.]] — PGP: 2B255885 -- Verzonden vanaf mijn mobiele apparaat Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ Toolserver-l mailing list (Toolserver-l@lists.wikimedia.org) https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/toolserver-l Posting guidelines for this list: https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Mailing_list_etiquette
Re: [Wikitech-l] Bugzilla Weekly Report
I removed that guy also from this list. 2011/11/28 Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Hydriz Wikipedia ad...@wikisorg.tk wrote: Nice one, vandal topped the list of bug resolving... Remember, kids: cheaters never win! -- brion ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Missing pages after upgrade from 1.5 to 1.17
-- Forwarded message -- From: Polaris x...@northerndragons.ca Date: 2011/11/14 Subject: Trying to report a problem, not sure the right place To: wikitech-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org Subjects: Missing pages after upgrade from 1.5 to 1.17 Hi there, I have a 1.5 site, that I had to evacuate from my current host to a new hosting provider. I stood up the old version here: http://in4k.northerndragons.ca/. It's running on PHP: 5.2.17 (cgi-fcgi), and MySQL 5.1.39. I have tried to upgrade this site, using the following process. 1) Creating a replica of the site, by creating a new database / exporting the old one via PHPmyAdmin, and importing 2) Copying all the data over. 3) Modifying localsettings.php to have the right paths. 4) Validating my site is working as expected. This works. Then I drop the files for MediaWiki 1.17, and run the maintenance script upgrade.php (on the command line), which completes without errors. The problem is that, I'm missing pages after the upgrade. You can see it from my old site (just migrated) vs the 1.17 site: Most of the user pages are gone, and users for that matter too. Examples: Working old version: http://in4k.northerndragons.ca/index.php?title=User:alrj Missing new version: http://beta.in4k.northerndragons.ca/index.php?title=User:Alrj Says User account Alrj is not registered. Another: http://in4k.northerndragons.ca/index.php?title=User:auld Missing version: http://beta.in4k.northerndragons.ca/index.php?title=User:Auld User account Auld is not registered. What's really odd, is that this isn't true with all users. For example: http://in4k.northerndragons.ca/index.php?title=User:Blueberry and http://beta.in4k.northerndragons.ca/index.php?title=User:Blueberry Work in both. I'd greatly appreciate some help here, as I'm totally stumped. Thanks! -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Mediawiki-l] Fwd: HELP
-- Forwarded message --
From: Nicholas Washington washington...@gmail.com
Date: 2011/11/10
Subject: HELP
To: mediawiki-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org
*Hi, I just recently got on board with MediaWiki and am looking forward to
utilizing its functionality for use with a story I am in the process of
writing.
Upon installation, I noticed I am unable to access my wiki main page, nor
am I able to edit it because of a DATABASE ERROR. After temporarily adding
the function: $wgShowSQLErrors =true; It reads precisely as follows:*
*DATABASE ERROR*
A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the
software.
The last attempted database query was:
SELECT log_type,log_action,log_user,
log_namespace,log_title,log_params,log_comment,
log_id,log_deleted,log_timestamp,user_name,user_editcount,
ts_tags FROM `logging` FORCE INDEX (page_time,user_time) INNER JOIN `user`
ON
((user_id=log_user)) LEFT JOIN `tag_summary` ON ((ts_log_id=log_id))
WHERE (log_action != 'revision') AND (log_type != 'suppress') AND log_type
IN ('delete','move')
AND log_namespace = '0' AND log_title = 'Main_Page' AND ((log_deleted 9)
!= 9) AND
(user_id = log_user) ORDER BY log_timestamp DESC LIMIT 11
from within function IndexPager::reallyDoQuery (LogPager).
Database returned error 1176: Key 'user_time' doesn't exist in table
'logging' (localhost).
*To be perfectly honest I have no idea what this means. I've attempted to
re-install mediawiki only to arrive at the same dead end. From what I can
tell, something seems to be missing, but I'm no tech guru or anything. Any
help on this matter would be much appreciated!*
Thanks, Nick.
--
Kind regards,
Huib Laurens
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[Wikitech-l] Another SVN error? (was: Re: [Ticket#2011091710005702] SVN Extension Access)
I have to say that I have the same expirance with the current process for requesting commit access. I currently have access to SVN, it was given to me 2 years ago by TimStarling. But i changed my key(s) but it didn't change for Wikimedia. So I requested Sumana to close my old account and give me a new account with a better name. This was her responds: Hi Huib, I apologize for the late response. After some discussion, we decided that the best way to proceed is for you to submit your proposed improvements as a patch in bugzilla.wikimedia.org, or make your extension public on mediawiki.org (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Extensions). This gives us a much better idea of what your proposal is and makes it a lot easier to review. Sincerely, Priyanka Dhanda So I was already given access, but by error I lost the key and now got removed. I don't really think the current proces is helping to get more volunteers... Best, Huib Laurens 2011/11/5 Neil Kandalgaonkar ne...@wikimedia.org Olivier, I'm truly sorry you had such a negative experience. This is not an acceptable situation. We have an inconsistent process, and one which is a bit heavyweight when our resourcing for it is rather lightweight. I wish you had found the patience to assume good faith. There is no reason for accusations that we don't want good developers. Of course we *want* them. If we are failing to act like it, it wasn't a personal slam at you. And, if I may be forgiven for white-knighting, Sumana's job is to needle the rest of us so we don't forget about concerns like yours and she generally does it very well. And she did sound an apologetic note into the email she sent you. So IMO she's not the problem here. Why she played a game of telephone here is a bit of a mystery to me though -- maybe she just wanted to be sure that *someone* pinged you since it had been so long. IMO the developer who reviewed your code should have contacted you directly. I had a look at the module you wrote. I share some of the same concerns about scalability, but that's not really the issue. I have some experience with user-contributed module archives, having administered some shared community resources for Perl, Python, and so on. The cultural differences and relative successes were interesting. The Python people wanted to have a review process, and a GUI interface, and binary modules precompiled, and so on and so on, and their projects never really got off the ground. Perl's CPAN started off as a simple FTP site where almost anyone could upload code. Guess which one ultimately succeeded. The point is, IMO there's relatively little payoff for having *any* review process for modules. Just have a way to report and remove malware and be done with it. As long as it's clear that the Foundation doesn't endorse the software there, what is the problem? Maybe we can also have some kind of badge for reviewed or as seen on Wikipedia for the stuff we consider good enough to deploy on big sites. We already more or less do this -- for instance, there are modules by GSoC students that are clearly not ready for prime time, and they are marked accordingly. On 11/4/11 11:47 PM, MZMcBride wrote: The long and short of my advice is this: fuck MediaWiki. If they're unwilling to accept your contributions, there are a lot of other FOSS projects that would be happy to have you. Thrilled to have you, even. I'd strongly encourage finding one. :-) And why should he listen to you, when you are unwilling to follow your own advice? -- Neil Kandalgaonkar |) ne...@wikimedia.org ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Mediawiki-l] cancel my Account
Hei! You are removed from the list. Best regards, Huib Laurens 2011/10/29 ahmed ridha itfut...@gmx.de Hallo , I would like to remove my Account from the Mediawiki mailing List . Please tell me if I have to make any settings or it will be done by you ? thanks in Advance, itfuture -- NEU: FreePhone - 0ct/min Handyspartarif mit Geld-zurück-Garantie! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone ___ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
Re: [Mediawiki-l] 2 domains on 1 Installtion?
Hello, Did you take a look at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikifarm ? Best, Huib 2011/10/27 Isabell Alcott uv22ealc...@googlemail.com Hello, My wiki installation is managed like the following: *www.domain1.com* - gets redirected to: *www.domain1.com/wiki/Hauptseite* Now I would like to add another domain* www.domain2.com*. This Domain gets directed to *www.domain1.com/wiki/Hauptseite* (that is not the problem and can be done in ease) *So here is my question:* is it possible to redirect *www.domain2.com* to the same wiki installation under *www.domain1.com/wiki/Hauptseite* but that the browser window shows up *www.domain2.com/wiki/Hauptseite* ? Your Help is highly appreciated ___ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
Re: [Foundation-l] WMF blog post on Italian Wikipedia
snip Therefore, each encyclopedia article and each course should explicitly grant irrevocable permission for anyone to make verbatim copies available on mirror sites. This permission should be one of the basic stated principles of the free encyclopedia. snip That is already done with our free licensing... ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] WMF blog post on Italian Wikipedia
There is no content now, so there is no violation... You need to show the content before you can violate anything. I was responding on your part about giving the right to mirror, there is no need for that cuz its already there. We even provide dumps for mirrors so they can easy import a wikipedia version. Best, Huib ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] 100.000 submissions!
Mars would be cool ;-) 2011/9/27 Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com What amazes me more than the actual numbers of uploads is also the number of new users with more than one upload - this is a big improvement over last year and shows that the combination of the new uploader on Commons with the campaign tactics of the WLM organizers has really made a difference. I am already looking forward to our evaluation to see if anyone has any more brillant ideas to help us increase participation next year... But what could we do next year to beat this result? Better mapping? Better id-lookups? Multi-lingual lists? All of EU? Africa? China? Alaska? Mars? Jane 2011/9/27 Maarten Dammers maar...@mdammers.nl No problem. Good luck! Maarten Op 27 sep 2011 om 09:26 heeft Andre Koopal an...@molens.org het volgende geschreven:\ And to take a stranger milestone, we are now even past 111.111 :-) But if it proceeds like this the 10 times last year will certainly be possible. Personally I also hope NL will have more then last year. Regards, Andre On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 09:01:01AM +0200, Jane Darnell wrote: Lodewijk, I was already blown away when we reached 75,000 images, so yes, I agree that this is a truly grand result and I think you should be very proud of this achievement, since it really started with your own efforts and vision. I can barely imagine it could be possible to reach a number of 125,000 images by Friday evening, but of course I have been using Nuno's statistics links regularly and I see that we are growing at a slightly more than linear rate. Congratulations everybody! I am so proud to have been part of this effort this year! Jane 2011/9/25 Hubert hubert.la...@gmx.at Hi to all from Austria! Yes, these are really great News and we are all still doing a great job! Thank?s to all of you! H. Am 25.09.2011 17:57, schrieb Lodewijk: Hi all, just a quick note: we JUST HIT ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND! And almost a week to go! The 100.000th upload is from Porto, Portugal: http://twitter.com/#!/Effeietsanders/status/117990127292264448/ http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Igreja_de_Santa_Clara_001.jpg - it seems it was part of the Wiki takes Porto event! Great work all, and one more week to go, so lets see if we can tenfold the submissions of 2010! (12.500) Lodewijk ___ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu ___ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu ___ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu ___ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu ___ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu ___ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
Re: [Foundation-l] Dumps mirroring (was: Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?)
I would be happy to mirror. I was looking and poking arround for that a year ago and the biggest problem for me is that its not clear how WikiMedia would like to be mirrored. We are currently a Centos and Ubuntu mirror on the machine. We have the space, thats not the problem. Best, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl 2011/9/21 Brian J Mingus brian.min...@colorado.edu On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 3:45 AM, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/9/21 emijrp emi...@gmail.com: Hi all; Just like the scripts to preserve wikis[1], I'm working in a new script to download all Wikimedia Commons images packed by day. But I have limited spare time. Sad that volunteers have to do this without any help from Wikimedia Foundation. I started too an effort in meta: (with low activity) to mirror XML dumps.[2] If you know about universities or research groups which works with Wiki[pm]edia XML dumps, they would be a possible successful target to mirror them. If you want to download the texts into your PC, you only need 100GB free and to run this Python script.[3] I heard that Internet Archive saves XML dumps quarterly or so, but no official announcement. Also, I heard about Library of Congress wanting to mirror the dumps, but not news since a long time. L'Encyclopédie has an uptime[4] of 260 years[5] and growing. Will Wiki[pm]edia projects reach that? Regards, emijrp [1] http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/ [2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mirroring_Wikimedia_project_XML_dumps [3] http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/source/browse/trunk/wikipediadownloader.py [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uptime [5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclop%C3%A9die Hi emirjrp, I can understand why you would prefer to have full mirrors of the dumps, but let's face it, 10TB is not (yet) something that most companies/universities can easily spare. Also, most people only work on 1-5 versions of Wikipedia, the rest is just overhead to them. My suggestion would be to accept mirrors of a single language and have a smart interface at dumps.wikimedia.org that redirects requests to the location that is the best match for the user. This system is used by some Linux distributions (see download.opensuse.org for instance) with great success. Regards, Strainu ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l Perhaps a torrent setup would be successful in this case. -- Brian Mingus Graduate student Computational Cognitive Neuroscience Lab University of Colorado at Boulder ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Picture of the Year torrents
How big is the total .zip / .rar file? I could mirror that one. Best, Huib 2011/9/13 Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com Also, please repair the broken image by linking to : // upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/PODY_barnstar.svg/95px-PODY_barnstar.svg.png -- Krinkle 2011/9/12 emijrp emi...@gmail.com Hi all; I have created two torrent files for the PIcture of the Year dumps[1]. They use Wikimedia server as webseed.[2][3] Can you add them to the page? Thanks, emijrp [1] http://dumps.wikimedia.org/other/poty/ [2] http://burnbit.com/torrent/177023/poty2006_zip [3] http://burnbit.com/torrent/177024/poty2007_zip ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Mediawiki-l] uploading broken
Hello, did you try to upload a different file? Best, Huib ___ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
[Foundation-l] Transfer a domain to the foundation
Hello, I currently have the domain www.wikilovesmonuments.com in my possession. I'm am willing to transfer this domain to the foundation, but I don't really know who to contact, and IRC didn't help me. Can somebody point me to the right person or can the right person contact me on: h...@wickedway.nl -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wikilovemonuments.com
Cnames are messy and stupid. I would prefer to recieve a IP nummer and make it a A recorod or AAA 2011/8/31, Nuno Tavares nuno.tava...@wikimedia.pt: Huib, why don't you just create a CNAME, instead of creating an IFRAME with publicity? -- Nuno Tavares Wikimedia Portugal http://www.wikimedia.pt Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer. Participe também: http://www.wikimedia.pt Huib Laurens escreveu: Hello, I just editted the www.wikilovesmonuments.com http://www.wikilovesmonuments.com site. My client didn't pay for it and I guess it was just another trick to make my company lose money, this is the last time new clients can choose the option to pay after the domain is registered. I would like to know who in the foundation I can contact to give the domain to. -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu ___ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu -- Verzonden vanaf mijn mobiele apparaat Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
[Foundation-l] Wikimedia used for SPAM
Hi! I''m getting this kind of e-mails since yesterday... Did they use the list of people on those lists to mail this? They use foundation-l, commons-l en wikitech-l best, Huib -- Forwarded message -- From: foundation-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org Date: 2011/8/25 Subject: Working Part Time We are recruiting! We offer part-time or full-time positions in EU. Currently our team of specialists is developing progressive and innovative method of cooperating with our client thus we are expanding our network of representatives all over Europe. We offer fully paid training sessions to guide you through your work, competitive salary, free work schedule and other benefits which will make your cooperating with us extremely pleasant. If you want to join our company, you should have a good command of English, and you must make sure you hold European residence and you possess a strong desire to work. Once you have decided to join us, please provide us your contact information and we will contact you shortly to schedule an interview. Our contact: nicko...@world-jobsearch.com Thank you for your interest! -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] help openstreetmap to translate their license ...
Isn't it normal practice to place above the legal text a note like this is a translated text and it can be incorrect. Please see the language version for the offical version ? 2011/8/22 Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com 2011/8/22 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: Hoi, Much of OpenStreetMap is localised at translatewiki.net ... A license can be translated as well. Given that OSM is already done at twn, it is just another addition. Yess.. but legal code should rather be translated by professional lawyer or at least revised and accepted. Otherwise the translated text is worth nothing from legal POV. -- Tomek Polimerek Ganicz http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ http://www.cbmm.lodz.pl/work.php?id=29title=tomasz-ganicz ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum
At the time of the License Commitee with the vote we had te results also very fast... Dude... Its all possible when they check all the votes made on day 1 on day 2 etc etc... And the system is very simple to work with. Best, Huib 2011/8/21, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com: On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 3:08 AM, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: So why announce ridiculously unrealistic timeframe between the vote concluding and the results being announced? First, I disagree that it's ridiculously unrealistic. Vote checking has already started and will continue throughout the polling. Second, hindsight is 20/20. I'll tell you that it's a balancing act... we've gotten it right a few times and we've gotten it wrong a few times. It's been years since this type of all-projects election was held for anything but a Board of Trustees election, and so, yeah, mistakes will be made. But let's just wait and see on the timeframe, shall we? No doubt an extension will have to happen, but what's the harm? If we take a couple extra days to announce the results, who has been harmed? ' Months, not extra days, dude. -- -- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]] ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Verzonden vanaf mijn mobiele apparaat Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Fwd: Image filter referendum
Hello, I just recieved this e-mail while I'm not enigble to vote and not able to remove myself from the list. I guess if I recieve it more people that aren't engible will recieve it. Best. Huib -- Forwarded message -- From: Wikimedia Referendum, 2011 impr...@wikimedia.org Date: 2011/8/19 Subject: Image filter referendum To: Abigor abi...@forgotten-beauty.com Dear Abigor, You are eligible to vote in the image filter referendum, a referendum to gather more input into the development and usage of an opt-in personal image hiding feature. This feature will allow readers to voluntarily screen particular types of images strictly for their own accounts. Its purpose is to enable readers to easily hide images on the Wikimedia projects that they do not wish to view, either when first viewing the image or ahead of time through individual preference settings. The feature is intended to benefit readers by offering them more choice, and to that end it will be made as user-friendly and simple as possible. We will also make it as easy as possible for editors to support. For its development, we have created a number of guiding principles, but trade-offs will need to be made throughout the development process. In order to aid the developers in making those trade-offs, we need your help us assess the importance of each by taking part in this referendum. For more information, please see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image_filter_referendum/en. To remove yourself from future notifications, please add your user name at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_nomail_list. -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter referendum
Yep, I just got a second for a very old account Beste SterkeBak, U bent stemgerechtigd in het referendum over de afbeeldingsfilter. In dit referendum wordt getracht meer input te krijgen voor de ontwikkeling en het gebruik van een optionele functie die gebruikers in staat stelt om bepaalde soorten afbeeldingen voor hun account te verbergen. Het doel hiervan is de lezers de gelegenheid te geven om bepaalde afbeeldingen op de Wikimediaprojecten, die zij niet willen zien, te verbergen. Dit kan bij de eerste keer dat de afbeelding bekeken wordt of voor de afbeelding getoond wordt, door middel van persoonlijke voorkeursinstellingen. De functie is bedoeld om lezers het voordeel van de keuze te laten. Daarom zal deze functie zo gebruiksvriendelijk en simpel als mogelijk gemaakt worden. We maken het ook het ondersteunen door redacteuren zo gemakkelijk mogelijk. Voor de ontwikkeling hebben wij een aantal principes, maar er zullen in de loop van het ontwikkelingsproces compromissen moeten worden gesloten. Om het ontwikkelen te vergemakkelijken vragen we uw hulp bij het beoordelen van elk principe naar belangrijkheid. Voor meer informatie, zie http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image_filter_referendum/nl. Om uzelf van deze lijst uit te schrijven en zo geen toekomstige meldingen te ontvangen kan u uw gebruikersnaam toevoegen op http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_nomail_list. And my bot recieved one... Something is going wrong there... Best, Huib 2011/8/19 Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com Hello, I just recieved this e-mail while I'm not enigble to vote and not able to remove myself from the list. I guess if I recieve it more people that aren't engible will recieve it. Best. Huib -- Forwarded message -- From: Wikimedia Referendum, 2011 impr...@wikimedia.org Date: 2011/8/19 Subject: Image filter referendum To: Abigor abi...@forgotten-beauty.com Dear Abigor, You are eligible to vote in the image filter referendum, a referendum to gather more input into the development and usage of an opt-in personal image hiding feature. This feature will allow readers to voluntarily screen particular types of images strictly for their own accounts. Its purpose is to enable readers to easily hide images on the Wikimedia projects that they do not wish to view, either when first viewing the image or ahead of time through individual preference settings. The feature is intended to benefit readers by offering them more choice, and to that end it will be made as user-friendly and simple as possible. We will also make it as easy as possible for editors to support. For its development, we have created a number of guiding principles, but trade-offs will need to be made throughout the development process. In order to aid the developers in making those trade-offs, we need your help us assess the importance of each by taking part in this referendum. For more information, please see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image_filter_referendum/en. To remove yourself from future notifications, please add your user name at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_nomail_list. -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Referendum 2011 mailout — issues
Hi, Maybe we shouldn't e-mail every user every time there is a vote. There has never been a run that didn't cause any problems and like Andrew was saying elsewhere they know the system doesn't check for global blocks and multible blocks. So there will be a lot of false positives. And a lot of people will get spam because they did create a account and did some edits... People that think Wikimedia is sending spam will leave instead of vote. There is already a global site notice. This e-mails was't needed... 2011/8/19, Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org: Hi all, I've just started sending out over 750,000 emails to folks who are eligible to vote in our Wikimedia Referendum. I've learned from past mailouts in trying to exclude more bots, multiple accounts and folks who've already voted. However, if you receive an email which doesn't apply to you (for example, if you're not eligible to vote, or you've requested to be excluded from such mailouts), or if there's a problem with the email that you receive (for example, it's in the wrong language), I've set up a page [1] where you can report it. Remember that you can always opt out from all future mailings [2]. I'm hoping that having a central page for this information will help in investigating the issues associated with errant mail, and allow future mail to be better targetted. Thanks a lot for your help, —Andrew [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image_filter_referendum/Email/False_positives [2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_nomail_list -- Andrew Garrett Wikimedia Foundation agarr...@wikimedia.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Verzonden vanaf mijn mobiele apparaat Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Reclaiming a lost account on a private wiki: impossible
make the wiki less private for a second, request the password and voila 2011/8/16 Svip svi...@gmail.com http://wiki.dikurevy.dk/Speciel:PasswordReset?uselang=en Seriously? ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Vladimir V. Medeyko WANTED
What is there to know? 2011/8/11 Gora Kazanskaya kaz.g...@yandex.ru Anybody knows something about the user Drbug (Vladimir V. Medeyko) after the Wikimania 2011? Kazanskaya Gora. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Mediawiki-l] Join my network on LinkedIn
It would be nice to get those mails gone... I get them daily on the -owner part... only a few really come to this part of the list 2011/8/9 Steve VanSlyck s.vansl...@spamcop.net Understood, but though I am not a linked in member and refuse to be one, it is my understanding that the message is sent at the request of a particular member, whom I further assume to be on the list. Having made all these assumptions my logic is surely unassailable. ;) - Original Message - From: Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list mediawiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 08:22:55 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Join my network on LinkedIn On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Steve VanSlyck s.vansl...@spamcop.net wrote: Please do not post linked-in invitations on maililng lists or forums. The e-mail came from LinkedIn servers, so I don't think they got your message ;-) Bug 29855[0] is open for killing these stupid invitations. -Chad [0] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29855 ___ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l ___ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with Incubator: An interactive journey
SPQRobin is already working on a extension that will point xxx.wikipedia.org to the right place on Incubator. The first version is already deployed and he showed me the new version on WikiMania. I'm not sure how long it will take, when wmf staff will help him out it will take less time. But a beter version is being worked on. 2011/8/8, Thomas Goldammer tho...@googlemail.com: Maybe a new system of incubation would be helpful. For example, one could start the requested wikis on their future domain (xxx.wikipedia.org / xxx.wiktionary.org etc.pp.) right from the request, with at least two voluntary experienced supervisors on each (one can supervise more than one of these of course) who get sysop and crat rights and stay there as long as it takes to get the approval of LangCom for an independent wiki (that is, after translating the most important parts of the MW software and that stuff). With email notification, the community of the test project can easily reach the supervisors and they of course should be in the wiki on a daily basis to look that everything is ok there. In the best case, they could try to attract more native speakers of the language to work there. Then a closing request for a wiki that became inactive would just be a request for supervision of that wiki. That means, the wiki stays where it is, but gets two supervisors who take on the administrative tasks and start some promotion maybe. Well, it's just an idea. BR Th. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Verzonden vanaf mijn mobiele apparaat Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with Incubator: An interactive journey
I'm not sure about interwiki's if the project xxx.wikipedia.org/wiki/article will point to incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/wp/xxx/article I guess it would be possible to use the [[:xxx:]] interwiki? Cuz it wouldn't directly point the incubator. So I guess it would be possible... But some changes need to be done in the interwiki.py maybe? It doesn't sounds really impossible to me... 2011/8/8 Thomas Goldammer tho...@googlemail.com Well, that idea also came to my mind (I didn't know that someone is already working on it), but then interwikis wouldn't be possible, would they? I think interwiki links are not unimportant to get native or fluent speakers of a language to a wiki who are currently working on other wikis. If they are working on enwiki already, for example, and discover that there is an article about their topics in their own language (or a language they are fluent in), they might go there and maybe improve the article and stay for more work. (I mean I did react like this when I discovered some articles about my topics on enwiki, maybe others wouldn't... ^^) But for starters, the redirect thing will work, too. One had to make sure that these wikis are properly listed and linked to in as many places as possible so that the wiki-finding problems M. Williamson has pointed out are solved. BR Th. 2011/8/8 Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com: SPQRobin is already working on a extension that will point xxx.wikipedia.org to the right place on Incubator. The first version is already deployed and he showed me the new version on WikiMania. I'm not sure how long it will take, when wmf staff will help him out it will take less time. But a beter version is being worked on. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with Incubator: An interactive journey
There is a complete list here: http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:Wikis I guess it would be easy to add a status to it... And link the meta pages back to the list. 2011/8/8 Thomas Goldammer tho...@googlemail.com There should be a general overview page where all projects are listed with a very short description in the respective languages and a status (open, under supervision, closed, in preparation or what else you get), could be hosted on Meta. And this Wikimedia projects summary or such can be prominently linked from the main pages, like there are Wikipedias in xxx languages, find out more HERE or something accordingly in the other projects. BR Th. 2011/8/8 M. Williamson node...@gmail.com: This is an improvement in many ways, but how does it help the average user? How are people supposed to know that XYZ code points to XYZ language? Right now we don't have any high-traffic pages pointing to incubator; it seems less likely that say, en.wp main page will link to every single test wiki. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Abigor Account
Hello, On WikiMania it was brought to my attention by a user that there is a account Abigor langcom. He asked me why I created that account... Since editting meta is blocked for me, I would like to state here after asking to a trusted user how I should react that this account is not created by me. And I would like to see it blocked (if not already done so) and a checkuser preformed so we can see who created it. Thank you, -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] Shopping
+4 2011/8/5, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.org: Yeah, I really want to find a way to get some of these and send off post cards for people but it's going to be tough to get to the post office I think. I imagine they are probably closed tomorrow (and may not have them if they are) and Sunday the Jerusalem trip is gone from 0800-2100 and so the office will probably be closed :( 2011/8/5 Gábor Hanák hanga...@gmail.com I second that! Gábor 2011/8/5 Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com Can someone go buy like 30 sets for attendees to buy at cost (or small markup)? On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Manuel Schneider manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.ch wrote: On 05.08.2011 16:29, Andrew Lih wrote: Is it true there is a special issue Wikipedia stamp worth collecting? there is a Wikimania stamp, yes! /Manuel -- Regards Manuel Schneider Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Wikimedia CH - Association for the advancement of free knowledge www.wikimedia.ch ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l -- James Alexander Business Analyst - Fundraising Wikimedia Foundation -- Verzonden vanaf mijn mobiele apparaat Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] Prepaid SIM card for calls and internet?
I was just going to ask that also. 2011/7/26 Pavel Richter pavel.rich...@wikimedia.de Hi there, Looking forward to next week in Haifa. Any recommendations for an Israeli prepaid mobile provider for international calls and for internet access? Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Pavel Richter Geschäftsführer Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. (Geschrieben von meinem Mobiltelefon) ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian
to gagging people, it just gives more credit to the people being gagged and makes people wonder if there is any merit in what they say. This brings up my favorite subject of unneeded deletions versions needed ones. Of course there is material that should be deleted that is hateful, Spam etc, lets call that evil content. But the articles that i wrote and my friends wrote that were deleted did not fall into that category, they might have been just bad or not notable. We have had a constant struggle to keep our articles from being deleted in a manner that we consider unfair. Additionally, the bad content is lost and falls into the same category as evil content. Also there should be more transparency on deleted material on the Wikipedia itself, there is a lot of information that is being deleted and gone forever without proper process or review. In my eyes there is a connection between the two topics, the banning of people and the deleting of information. Both are depriving people from information that they want and need in an unfair manner. Instead of articles about obscure events, things, and old places in Kosovo you have a wikipedia full of the latest information about every television show, is that what you really want? I think there should be room for things in places that are not not notable because they are not part of mainstream pop culture, we also need to support the underdogs of Wikipedia even if they are not mainstream, Mr Kohs definitely has something to say and I would like like to hear it. And the Kosovars have something to say even if the Serbs don't want to hear it. The Albanians have something to say even if the Greeks don't want to hear it, etc. There are many cases of people from Kosovo and Albania driven out of Wikipedia and depriving the project of important information because they are not able to get started and the contributions are so far way from the dominating political viewpoint of the opposite side that they don't even get a chance to be heard. We need to make a way for these people to be heard and to moderate the conflicts better, that will make Wikipedia stronger and more robust. thanks, mike -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Verzonden vanaf mijn mobiele apparaat Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Going to far
Did you even read the E-mail? How should the Ombudsman commission handle this case, it are administrators copying personal information into Wikimedia Wiki's... 2011/7/18 MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com Huib Laurens wrote: I regret the fact that I need to e-mail to this list, but I tried and tried but can't work it out with the people involved. I talked about letting it go but that doesn't seem the right thing to do also, so maybe a discussion on this list can make something happen. I can't imagine you regret sending this e-mail as much as I regret trying to parse it. From what I can tell, this list isn't the appropriate forum. Whatever your issue is, it's buried beneath a wall of text and what appears to be years of antics on your part. If you have reason to believe that the Wikimedia privacy policy has been violated, you should contact the Ombudsman commission: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ombudsman_commission. If you would like to have certain information removed from a particular Wikimedia wiki, you can try contacting the wiki's oversighters or Arbitration Committee. If you've ruined or soured those relationships to the point that those individuals are unwilling to respond, then that's a bed of your own making and you'll simply have to live with the consequences of your actions. You're also free to contact individual members of Wikimedia Foundation staff or OTRS, but there doesn't appear to be much (if anything) that needs to be discussed that relates to the purpose or mission of this mailing list. MZMcBride ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Going to far
Hello, I regret the fact that I need to e-mail to this list, but I tried and tried but can't work it out with the people involved. I talked about letting it go but that doesn't seem the right thing to do also, so maybe a discussion on this list can make something happen. First a starter, I'm not going to spin around it... I'm currently blocked on Commons, nl.wiki en Meta for privacy violation and using multible accounts. But now here it comes, when I want to talk about the privacy about the people around me no body is responding. If I messed up, and that still a big maybe I'm happy to go down and get a bad reputation into Google and all the other search engines but people around me should be safe. Currently there are lots of pointers to my girlfriend on NL.Wiki, Meta and Commons. While the article and the picture was hers she had nothing to do with the complete case some people made here. As you will understand I will not call her by her name since otherwise we have yet another place where her name is listed and indexed into Google. It all started on the Dutch Wikipedia after somebody created a article about the Dutch writer and somebody did a CheckUser and came to the conclusion that Delay and me had a common source. After that a Dutch Administrator Freaky Fries came with the news that I had a relationship with this person and that we would live on the same adres (here: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verzoekpagina_voor_moderatoren/Sokpoppen/2011#Delay) While the CheckUser confirmed that the IP from the home adres is no link to the Delay account and there is no proof or relavancy what so ever it still stating on Wikipedia that we are living together. After that a OTRS agent with the name RonaldB posted a ticketnumber that can confirm that I and her have a relationship. On the Request for Deletion page on Nl.wikipedia is again a link posted to my private twitter to state that I have a relationship with her. ( http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Te_verwijderen_pagina%27s/Toegevoegd_20110601) After that this whole discussion is moved by a dutch administrator to Commons where even Yesterday and today there is a whole discussion again with her name involved on multible pages ( http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Request_by_Abigor; http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Request_by_Abigor) Where most recenty a dutch administrator Trijnstel is saying that I and the girl have split up (without any source and without any relevance). On my talkpage on Commons is again brought to the attention. Between this we also have a big Meta discussion http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_comment/Abigor where on the page and talkpage the relevance to a possible girlfriend is being made. Now I'm sure that this did break my complete reputation on Wikimedia, while I tried to defend myself and asking for information that the foundation can and have to give I still didn't recieve anything. Also a request for removal of all the names have been made by the ArbCom and nothing was heard But tell me do we want to foundation the damage a reputation of people who doesn't even edit Wikipedia but are taking on to Wikipedia to break a user? I don't care what is happening to me, but somebody please step in and start removing all those privacy violations on all those wiki's. This is going to damage her, and than the Foundation will need to take the heat? Is that what we want? Best, Huib ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Welcome to new wikis
I have the import for Xmf wikipedia Ready, that one could be online within a hour. :-) 2011/7/12 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com We've got four new wikis: two for content and two for chapters: * Mingrelian Wikipedia: http://xmf.wikipedia.org * Argentinian Wikiveristy: http://ar.wikiversity.org * Arabic chapter: http://ar.wikimedia.org/ * Mexican chapter: http://mx.wikimedia.org/ For the content projects import is on the way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Welcome to new wikis
Forget my e-mail. Stewards are not willing to grant me the needed rights to import, please contact me if somebody wants to import it. All the files are ready here. 2011/7/12 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 12:39, M. Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote: Rather perhaps you mean: Argentinians got chapter and Arabic got Wikiversity? Since the Wikiversity site seems to be in Arabic, which would be a bit odd if it was for Argentines. Are you sure? There are many Argentinian languages and it would be fair that they have at least one Wikiveristy. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office Actions
You got mail. Could you confirm? 2011/7/11 Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org Dan, Legal-en goes to the legal queue. Legal@ goes to the legal department. pb ___ Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader Relations Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 415-839-6885, x 2106 (reader relations) phili...@wikimedia.org On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/11/11, Jon Davis w...@konsoletek.com wrote: Why don't you try emailing le...@wikimedia.org ? If it is legal related they would seem to be a good start. On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:37, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Where can you request the Wikimedia Office to step in and remove a part of a article? I can't speak in more details, but in a series of wikipedia pages on 4 projects there is content that could harm the wikimedia foundation in a legal way. I tried to get it done with the local admins but they refuse, what will be the next step to get a opinion for a office action? -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Jon [[User:ShakataGaNai]] / KJ6FNQ http://snowulf.com/ http://ipv6wiki.net/ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l Legal@ goes to OTRS legal queue (it used to be a bad email alias, I think that's been fixed now and it properly goes to the legal queue), which has no authority for handling office actions. Realistically the fastest way to get an office action resolved is to email Philippe, and if there is an immediate and urgent (and unquestionable need) for some sort of deletion, contact an admin/steward/oversighter as exists on your particular wiki. -- Dan Rosenthal ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Privacy concerns
Hello, Is mentioned in a offiical policy on the Dutch Wikipedia here: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sokpopmisbruik 2011/7/10, Benjamin Chen cnchenmi...@gmail.com: Gerard Meijssen, 09/07/2011 10:06: If you do not trust the person involved, you are crazy to send him a copy of your passport. This is a common sense. This policy as it obviously works.. what is really your issue ? Do we really need a theoretical approach that only can bring us less functionality ? I do not think so. Like what David pointed out, it may be more of a problem when it is not clearly stated that the person receiving the letter is not a WMF staff or officially authorised personnel. People *may *think that they are dealing with official personnel but when they find out that they aren't, it may cause dispute. But anyway there isn't much information in this thread to tell. Best, [[User:Bencmq]] / Benjamin Chen ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Verzonden vanaf mijn mobiele apparaat Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Privacy concerns
Are you calling me a troll now? 2011/7/10 Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 23:10, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I'm thinking more of whether or not it is retained, and precisely how it is retained. Is it kept in a locked box somewhere? Sitting on someone's desk? Accessible to other individuals? Which is clearly the good way to ask the questions. It's how the process works, why this way, how is it effective? How the data handled, secured, used and destroyed? And what are the experiences, how effective it was, what problems it caused (apart from trolls coming to and fro complaining)? I do not know, I ain't no dutch, and haven't been banned so far. ;-) I'm an outsider. g ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Privacy concerns
Hello, I want to know if there is a privacy concern on the Dutch Wikipedia. The short story: When you got blocked on the Dutch Wikipedia for socking you can remove the block by sending a copy of your passport to a user thats trusted by the community. After he checks your passport or all the passports involved if you have a shared connection the block will be removed. The user where you have to send it to isn't indentified by the foundation and you have to send it by snailmail not to OTRS. The foundations privacy policies does that allow this to happen? -- Kind regards, Abigor ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] BDS (hopefully) FUD?
When you use Wikimania and Isreal or Wiki(M/P)edia with the word Isreal there will be 3 bots telling you not to go :-( 2011/6/28, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl: At least 1 BDS Activist has been running around on twitter telling people not to go to wikimania. http://twitter.com/_C Our article on BDS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott,_Divestment_and_Sanctions BDS view and action on wikimania: http://www.alternativenews.org/english/index.php/topics/economy-of-the-occupation/3439-bds-action-tell-wikimedia-not-to-hold-2011-annual-conference-in-israel- In particular, they state: On the information page for the upcoming conference, the organizers also say, “Haifa is also easily accessible to the Palestinian community, which is often left out of conferences such as Wikimania due to special difficulties. This community has a high rate of Internet usage but little first-hand acquaintance with Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects.” The statement, however, is not true. Participation for individuals from Gaza and the West Bank is impossible, unless they receive special permits from the Israeli military to enter Israel in order to attend. To be able to actively counter this claim, can we confirm that all palestinian wikimedians who want to come are indeed coming? sincerely, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attachment] gpg (www.gnupg.org) Fingerprint for key FEF9DD72 5ED6 E215 73EE AD84 E03A 01C5 94AC 7B0E FEF9 DD72 -- Verzonden vanaf mijn mobiele apparaat Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
*facepalm* 2011/6/24, James Heilman via LinkedIn mem...@linkedin.com: LinkedIn James Heilman requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: -- Srikant, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - James Accept invitation from James Heilman http://www.linkedin.com/e/-t9tct-gpanplzs-19/kEGYngBeZsro1F93qKeRGrJetgIrKFfJd2o_ToVctvnatuZm/blk/I52787614_75/pmpxnSRJrSdvj4R5fnhv9ClRsDgZp6lQs6lzoQ5AomZIpn8_djtvd34SdPwTczl9bPl1kldqgCdAbP8SdPcMdzcOcPcLrCBxbOYWrSlI/EML_comm_afe/ View invitation from James Heilman http://www.linkedin.com/e/-t9tct-gpanplzs-19/kEGYngBeZsro1F93qKeRGrJetgIrKFfJd2o_ToVctvnatuZm/blk/I52787614_75/0RdRYQcjoTe3sOdkALqnpPbOYWrSlI/svi/ -- DID YOU KNOW you can conduct a more credible and powerful reference check using LinkedIn? Enter the company name and years of employment or the prospective employee to find their colleagues that are also in your network. This provides you with a more balanced set of feedback to evaluate that new hire. http://www.linkedin.com/e/-t9tct-gpanplzs-19/rsr/inv-27/ -- (c) 2011, LinkedIn Corporation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Verzonden vanaf mijn mobiele apparaat Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Plethora of overlapping Categories
This should be on wikien-l instead of foundation-l I guess, 2011/6/21, Rui Correia correia@gmail.com: Hi I know I am in the wrong place for this. Normally this kind of thing would/ should go on the discuss pages, but category discuss pages don't attract much attention. If you consult Categories: Sailors/ Navigators/ Explorers, you will see that quite a number of people are listed in these arguably (or not) overlapping categories for the same activity/ feat/ achievement. To put it into perspective, it makes sense to list a person in the categories of [[poet]], [[playwright]], etc, but in each of these categories such people would be different 'personae', with different works that make them merit being classified a poet or a playwright. On the other hand, to list - for example - Henry the Navigator/ Captain Cook as [[sailor]], [[navigator]], [[explorer]] looks odd as the activity undertaken to merit being given that title is only one. This is like calling a farmer a tiller/ sower/ weeder/ harvester/ etc. Generally, there is a problem with Categories, as many were created without any regard to hierarchy - we have examples of names that appear under British explorers or 15th century explorers, but then they are not listed under explorers. Any ideas? Best regards, Rui -- _ Mobile Number in Namibia +264 81 445 1308 Número de Telemóvel na Namíbia +264 81 445 1308 I am away from Johannesburg - you cannot contact me on my South African numbers Estou fora de Joanesburgo - não poderá entrar em contacto comigo através dos meus números sul-africanos Rui Correia Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Consultant Angola Liaison Consultant ___ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Verzonden vanaf mijn mobiele apparaat Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] OTRS
Hello, Almost a week later there has been no responds bij the Foundation nor a responds from the OTRS admins to this mailing nor in private. At this moment I'm starting to believe the Foundation and the OTRS admin's doens't care at all about this. Are we really going to accept this kind of behavior from the people that communicate for Wikimedia to people and companies mailing to Wikimedia? Best, Huib Laurens ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] OTRS
Yes I did. There has been no responds from them so far. 2011/6/7, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com: On 7 June 2011 11:17, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Almost a week later there has been no responds bij the Foundation nor a responds from the OTRS admins to this mailing nor in private. At this moment I'm starting to believe the Foundation and the OTRS admin's doens't care at all about this. Are we really going to accept this kind of behavior from the people that communicate for Wikimedia to people and companies mailing to Wikimedia? Have you contacted the Ombudsman committee as I suggested? It's their job to handle complaints about possible breaches of the privacy policy. It's rare to get a satisfactory response to complaints on this mailing list. It's not really what it's here for. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Verzonden vanaf mijn mobiele apparaat Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] OTRS
Hi, I don't get it, why isn't it a problem when we start posting OTRS tickets to pastebin. The article was already deleted for more that 24 so there was no need to give the information to SilverSpoon. SilverSpoon wasn't active with the article so there was no need to share the information with him. The OTRS agent told SilverSpoon that I (Huib) sended the e-mail, the e-mail is send from my business account and the OTRS agent linked a business e-mail to my private name, we didn't give any permission to link it to my account nor I give any permission to tell people I sended that e-mail. If I would liked to let everybody know that I sended it I would have signed it myself. So if I understand correctly, its no problem that a OTRS agent posts a e-mail to PASTEBIN and give private personal information about who sended the ticket to non-involved users. And after that discuss the ticket including the pastebin link in a public channel. After that we got a respond from OTRS to our ticket saying that the file is deleted and placing there my personal name and making a attack towards my client. Please tell me how this is not a problem, I believe my privacy is damaged, my client thinks her privacy is dameged because of the accusation made by the OTRS agent that she give me a task to promote her and that we are more that just friends. Please explain why Wikimedia Privacy Policy accept this? And is the foundation taking steps towards the involved OTRS agents? One thing is sure, I work with lot of writers and we will not ever give permission to Wikimedia to use any of our content anymore. Best, Huib ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] IE6
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Re: [Wikitech-l] IE6
We shouldn't focus on getting people away from IE. We should stay neutral and advice people to upgrade. 2011/6/3, Mono mium monom...@gmail.com: Why not? On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Thats completly not the point. 2011/6/3, Mono mium monom...@gmail.com: We don't want to use Microsoft's, whatever we do, because it promotes their own borked browser IE9. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Mark Dilley markwdil...@gmail.com wrote: aside from main conversation Would it be a good community gesture to join Microsoft in trying to eradicate IE6? http://TheIE6Countdown.com or to not join them and put up a more general banner http://IE6NoMore.com and move on? /aside from main conversation On 03Jun2011, at 10:53 AM, Brion Vibber wrote: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 03/06/11 06:56, Brion Vibber wrote: For 1) I'm honestly a bit willing to sacrifice a few IE 6 users at this point; the vendor's dropped support, shipped three major versions, and is actively campaigning to get the remaining users to upgrade. :) But I get protecting, so if we can find a workaround that's ok. We can't really do this without sending Vary: User-Agent, which would completely destroy our cache hit ratio. For people who use Squid with our X-Vary-Options patch, it would be possible to use a very long X-Vary-Options header to single out IE 6 requests, but not everyone has that patch. I'm really thinking more along the lines of: if someone's an IE 6-or-below user they have hundreds of other exploit vectors staring them in the face too, and we can't protect them against many of them -- or ANY of them if they're visiting other sites than just an up-to-date MediaWiki. The cost of this fix has been immense; several versions of the fix with varying levels of disruption on production sites, both for IE 6 users and non-IE 6 users, and several weeks of delay on the 1.17.0 release. I'd be willing to accept a few drive-by downloads for IE 6 users; it's not ideal but it's something that their antivirus tools etc will already be watching out for, that end-users already get trained to beware of, and that will probably *still* be exploitable on other web sites that they visit anyway. The main issue here is that we don't a wide variety of web servers set up for testing. We know that Apache lets you detect %2E versus dot via $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'], but we don't know if any other web servers do that. Note that checking for %2E alone is not sufficient, a lot of installations (including Wikimedia) have an alias /wiki - /w/index.php which can be used to exploit action=raw. Well that should be fine; as long as we can see the /wiki?/foo.bat then we can identify that it doesn't contain an unencoded dot in the path. It sounds like simply checking REQUEST_URI when available would eliminate a huge portion of our false positives that affect real-world situations. Apache is still the default web server in most situations for most folks, and of course runs our own production servers. Are there any additional exploit vectors for API output other than HTML tags mixed unescaped into JSON? Yes, all other content types, as I said above. Only as drive-by downloads, or as things that execute without interaction? I think the current solution in trunk, plus the redirect idea that I've been discussing with Roan, is our best bet for now, unless someone wants to investigate $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI']. *nod* Checking REQUEST_URI is probably the first thing we should do when it's available. If there is an actual problem with ForeignAPIRepo then we can look at server-side special cases for it. But r89248 should allow all API requests that have a dotless value in their last GET parameter, and a quick review of ForeignAPIRepo in 1.16 and trunk indicates that it always sends such requests. Yay! That's one less thing to worry about. :D Since we're talking about discarded solutions for this, maybe it's worth noting that I also investigated using a Content-Disposition header. The vulnerability involves an incorrect cache filename, and it's possible to override the cache filename using a Content-Disposition filename parameter. The reason I gave up on it is because we already use Content-Disposition for wfStreamFile(): header( Content-Disposition: inline;filename*=utf-8'$wgLanguageCode' . urlencode( basename( $fname ) ) ); IE 6 doesn't understand the charset specification, so it ignores the header and goes back to detecting the extension. Good to know. -- brion ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
