Re: hyperbole

2004-08-19 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Dear Mark,

Some more hyperbole for you...

Pygmies being eaten by rebels in Congo's ongoing war, UN
reveals

The Scotsman - January 9, 2003

http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=25452003

still... Lovingly,  Sandra


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RE: Reflection

2004-08-19 Thread Brill de Ramirez, Susan
Patti,
 
You are quite right here to note that the statement need not be taken genetically.  
Let me cite the original quotation, your comment, and then I'll add a couple final 
thoughts on this topic.
 
-Original Message- 
From: Patti Goebel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 
. . . they have always excelled all other peoples in endowments conferred by birth. 
Persia
herself, moreover!


Another way to look at this is that the endowments conferred by birth are
not anything genetic, but rather the circumstances into which a child is
born, including natural resources, culture, knowledge base, spiritual base,
etc.

 
In 'Abdu'l-Baha's statement, it is important to note that he writes endowments 
conferred by birth.  That which is genetic is there at conception.  At birth, one is 
brought into a family, a community, a culture, a language, etc. all of which 
determines those particular endowments conferred by birth to a person.
 
I remember a story a number of years back when a famous delicatessen was closing in 
Brooklyn, NYC.  Many patrons were coming by for their final orders of gefilte fish, 
lox, knishes, etc.  A reporter was covering the closing of a century's long 
institution in the community.  As one customer left with her order of knishes, the 
reporter approached her and requested a brief interview about the deli.  She agreed, 
and the reporter asked her why she had come by for her ceremonial final order . . . 
particularly noting that she was African-American.  In New York, folks are pretty 
direct with questions, so she understood the question and did not take offense.  Her 
response? . . . She looked at the reporter for _The Christian Science Monitor_ as if 
he was a bit clueless, and then she replied, Don't you understand?   This is New 
York!  Here we're all Jews!  It's part of the dominant culture, part of all of us.  
Of course, she was not saying that she was ethnically nor religiously Jewish, but that 
part of her respective endowments conferred by birth included growing up within a 
part of NYC that was predominantly Jewish and that it was part of her culture thereby 
as a local resident.
 
This is very much the case in the northwestern part of New Mexico where the 
predominant culture is Navajo.  Everyone connected with that region is informed by the 
dominant Navajo culture, and of course, everyone in New Mexico is part Hispanic since 
the culture pervades the entire state (albeit differently in different regions).  Many 
Native American writers from New Mexico or who have spent many formative years there 
include Navajo/Dine' concepts and words in their writing, even though their genetic 
tribal backgrounds are not Navajo.
 
[Of course, there is an important and, sometimes, a very fine line between being part 
of a culture versus problematic (and, at times, outright racist) appropriations.  One 
infamous example was the book published a number of years back by Asa Carter entitled 
_The Education of Little Tree_ that purported to be the author's romanticized and 
nostalgized growing years as a Cherokee boy.  As it turns out, the author was not 
Cherokee, and, in fact, had been an active member of the Ku Klux Klan throughout his 
life.  The book was an outright fabrication, but its romanticized Euroamerican views 
of Native culture spoke strongly to Euroamericans who loved the book whose sales 
propelled the tranformation of the book into a financially successful, yet racially 
stereoptypic film.]
 
Native American appropriation is a very loaded and sensitive issue throughout Indian 
country . . . and a very \\HOT// topic here in Illinois.  Post-modernism 
notwithstanding, essentialist racial appropriations endure, even though as Native 
writer and filmmaker Sherman Alexie says, The endgame of essentialism was flying 
airplanes into buildings.
 
Would that all people would take to heart Baha'u'llah's words that The well-being of 
mankind, its peace and security, are unattainable unless and until its unity is firmly 
established. 
 
We all need to start listening to each others' stories and making choices truly based 
on conversive consultation.  My state of Illinois is very divided because of the issue 
of Native American mascots even at the highest levels of state government.  Mark, as a 
Sociologist, you must be very aware of our situation here since I understand that the 
University of Illinois is one of the primary current examples of institutional racism 
in contemporary Sociology texts.  The difference between being part of a culture 
versus an outside appropriation is hard for many to understand.
 
Anyway, greetings to all online here.  Even when I do not post for awhile, I am an 
active reader of your posts and have learned so much from the friends on this list.  
Thank you, Mark and Susan, for this listserve.
 
Susan
 
Dr. Susan Berry Brill de Ramirez, Professor of English
Department of English, Bradley University, Peoria, IL 61625  U.S.A.
(309) 677-3888, fax: (309) 

Re: Reflections

2004-08-19 Thread Richard H. Gravelly
In my view, the same figure of speech, mubalaghah, is used by `Abdu'l-Baha
when referring to the past accomplishments of Persians.

Mark,

Why is an apparently factual statement made by Abdu'l-Baha an hyperbolic
statement in your view?

Richard.



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