Re: posting question about Recognition Manifestation
Dear Fariborz, However, taken as a general mandate, one can interpret whosoever ariseth for the triumph of My cause can be interpreted as fellow believers as well. I would agree with this. Again, with the qualification of encouragement and support rather than serve. To be more explicit: we can serve the Cause by encouraging and supporting (through combined effort; financially, etc.) other believers who arise... i.e.: pioneers, travel teachers, institutions, etc. I am not sure I would interpret the statement to mean a king that may embrace the principles but not recognize manifestation? Can you expound please? Hu, firstly, Baha'u'llah did not -place upon- the king the condition of recognition or acceptance of the Manifestation or Revelation. Secondly, the prerequisite Baha'u'llah does establish is that such a king ...will, for the sake of God, arise for the triumph of this wronged, this oppressed people. (of the Earth) Third, it's as though, Baha'u'llah then assures the king/s that His followers (Baha'is) will promote (assist, encourage, support, etc.) that effort. The last two sentences of this passage, I feel, IS addressed to the Baha'is: Happy is the man that hearkeneth and observeth My counsel. Woe unto him that faileth to fulfil My wish. It is as though He is saying I'm making this commitment on your behalf... do not disappoint Me! On a much smaller scale... for several years the Baha'is of a large Alaskan community annually recognized an individual in the community-at-large who, through selfless devotion, rendered a service to the community. They were honored with a banquet and received a plaque. These were well publicized events and appreciated by the recipients as well as their family, friends, and colleagues; and the general public. To my knowledge, only one of these recipients, later embraced the Faith. lovingly, Sandra __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: posting question about Recognition Manifestation
Thank you. It's getting clearer. Explain to me the nuances of "serve" as compared to "encourage, support". I always understood service as a baha'i as to help/assist an endeavor. This ,of course, IMO, can take a lot of different forms including physically serving, financially aiding, morally supporting, etc. Is this correct or am I misinterpreting the word? Fariborz __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Structurization
Hi, folks, In terms of structurization theory, I have set up another site and domain, and am placing all the materials I have developed so far into it: http://structurization.com/ Mark A. Foster * http://markfoster.net Sacred cows make the best hamburger -- Mark Twain and Abbie Hoffman __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: posting question about Recognition Manifestation
As you can see you have some literal phrases in here... first duty... and serve those that have recognized. In my subsequent responses I've responded to what I thought was your interpretation of the found passage. Which does not, in fact, combine those two phrases of first duty or serve those that have recognized. This leads me to think of another quote I focused on a few years back, but can't find now. It was something to the effect that if someone (i.e. another believer) asked a Baha'i to do a service for the cause if is as if Baha'u'llah (or maybe it was 'Abdul-Baha) Himself asked them to do it. Does anyone know where I might find that quote? Thanks, Patti __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: posting question about Recognition Manifestation
In a message dated 11/24/2004 2:58:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Explain to me the nuances of "serve" as compared to "encourage, support". I always understood service as a baha'i as to help/assist an endeavor. This ,of course, IMO, can take a lot of different forms including physically serving, financially aiding, morally supporting, etc. Is this correct or am I misinterpreting the word? Dear Fairborz, Usually it denotes aiding in a suppordinate capacity. warmest, Susan __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: posting question about Recognition Manifestation
In a message dated 11/24/2004 6:44:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It was something to the effect that if someone (i.e.another believer) asked a Baha'i to do a service for the cause if is as ifBaha'u'llah (or maybe it was 'Abdul-Baha) Himself asked them to do it. Doesanyone know where I might find that quote? Dear Patti, I think you may have in mind the Hidden Word which says if any of His servants asks *anything* of us(not just service to the Cause) we should regard their face as His Face. warmest, Susan __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
