Religion must be the cause of unity
'Abdu'l-Baha says that if religion is not the cause of unity then it would be better that there were no religion. I was wondering how we can not be seen as hypocritical given that Baha'is are not allowed to renounce their religion regardless of circumstances. 'Abdu'l-Baha says that if religion is not the cause of unity then no religion would be better, but if this situation existed in real life would Baha'is be willing to renounce their religion? The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. _ Need more speed? Get Xtra Broadband @ http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/chm/0,,202853-1000,00.html __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
RE: inspiration or revelation?
Hasan wrote: Does
'Abdu'l-Bah reveal or He is inspired? Instead of say "a Tablet,
prayerrevealed by 'Abdu'l-Bah", we should say "a Tablet inspired by
'Abdu'l-Bah"
Dear Hasan,
As an English only speaking person, I'm quite comfortable with
the phrase "revealed by" in reference to'Abdu'l-Bah's prayers and
tablets. While recognizing that He was not a Manifestation of God, I
believe thereare sufficient passages from the Sacred Writings of
Baha'u'llah to indicate that 'Abdu'l-Bah' was divinely inspired - not the
least of which, was the appelation: Mystery of God.
My feeling is that this refers toHis measure of
receptivity, capacity and recognition of "divine inspiration" ... which
any of us are potentially capable of ... in a literal sense.
I would also consider that the term "revealed" in reference to
'Abdu'l-Bah's personal tablets to individuals falls into the the category of
the 2nd or 3rd meaning of reveal. See below.
Lovingly, Sandra
reveal
Function: transitive verb
1: to make known through divine
inspiration
2: to make publicly or generally known
3: to open up to view
synonyms
REVEAL, DISCLOSE, DIVULGE, TELL, BETRAY mean to make known what has been or
should be concealed. REVEAL may apply to supernatural or inspired revelation of
truths beyond the range of ordinary human vision or reason divine will as
revealed in sacred writings. DISCLOSE may imply a discovering but more often
an imparting of information previously kept secret
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Re: inspiration or revelation?
How about inspired by God and revealed by
Abdu'l-Baha?
and with certain prayers revealed by 'Abdu'l-Bahá
-- such communications constitute in themselves a notable and illuminating
chapter in the history of the unfoldment of the Bahá'í Administrative Order.
(Shoghi Effendi, God Passes By, p.
344)
Richard.
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Elias
To: Baha'i Studies
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 7:32 AM
Subject: inspiration or revelation?
Does 'Abdu'l-Bahá reveal or He is inspired?
Instead of say "a Tablet, prayerrevealed by 'Abdu'l-Bahá", we
should say "a Tablet inspired by 'Abdu'l-Bahá"
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Re: Religion must be the cause of unity
How is it then that an individual would like to renounce his belief in God; and yet, at the same time, be considered by all an sundry to be a believer in God? God, desiring to prevent dissension in His religion, has prevented it thus: The purpose of the Blessed Beauty in entering into this Covenant and Testament was to gather all existent beings around one point so that the thoughtless souls, who in every cycle and generation have been the cause of dissension, may not undermine the Cause. He hath, therefore, commanded that whatever emanateth from the Centre of the Covenant is right and is under His protection and favour, while all else is error. (Abdu'l-Baha, Selections from the Writings of Abdu'l-Baha, p. 209) Richard. - Original Message - From: David Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 11:52 PM Subject: Religion must be the cause of unity 'Abdu'l-Baha says that if religion is not the cause of unity then it would be better that there were no religion. I was wondering how we can not be seen as hypocritical given that Baha'is are not allowed to renounce their religion regardless of circumstances. 'Abdu'l-Baha says that if religion is not the cause of unity then no religion would be better, but if this situation existed in real life would Baha'is be willing to renounce their religion? The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. _ Need more speed? Get Xtra Broadband @ http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/chm/0,,202853-1000,00.html __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: inspiration or revelation?
But in your thread, revealed/inspired seems to be a question of status for the human participant. What is relavant, dear Gilberto, is that the Baha'i Revelation as with the Qur'an is the Revelation of God and confirms what went before. 3 He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it, even as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel. (The Qur'an (Pickthall tr), Sura 3 - The Family Of Imran) One must always refer to the Covenant of God and follow it. As Shoghi Effendi is the last Interpreter; and he states that Abdu'l-Baha has revealed Tablets or Prayers; then Abdu'l-Baha has revealed Tablets and Prayers. Richard. The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
RE: Religion must be the cause of unity
How is it then that an individual would like to renounce his belief in God; and yet, at the same time, be considered by all an sundry to be a believer in God? God, desiring to prevent dissension in His religion, has prevented it thus: The purpose of the Blessed Beauty in entering into this Covenant and Testament was to gather all existent beings around one point so that the thoughtless souls, who in every cycle and generation have been the cause of dissension, may not undermine the Cause. He hath, therefore, commanded that whatever emanateth from the Centre of the Covenant is right and is under His protection and favour, while all else is error. (Abdu'l-Baha, Selections from the Writings of Abdu'l-Baha, p. 209) Richard. Also relevant is this: the paramount purpose of all Bahá'í activity is teaching. ALL THAT HAS BEEN DONE OR WILL BE DONE revolve around this central activity, the head corner-stone of the foundation itself, to which all progress in the Cause is due. The present challenge calls for teaching on a scale and of a quality, a variety, and intensity outstripping all current efforts. The time is now, lest opportunity be lost in the swiftly changing moods of a frenetic world. Let it not be imagined that expedience is the essential motive arousing this sense of urgency. There is an overarching reason: it is the pitiful plight of masses of humanity, suffering and in turmoil, hungering after righteousness, but bereft of discernment to see God with their own eyes, or hear His Melody with their own ears. They must be fed. Vision must be restored where hope is lost, confidence built where doubt and confusion are rife (The Universal House of Justice, Ridvan 145, 1988, p. 2) (emphasis added) The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
cancerous materialism
I found it rather instructive to read the article
at the posted URL below in light of the rather terrifying quotation from Shoghi
Effendi.
"It is this same cancerous materialism, born
originally in Europe, carried to excess in the North American continent,
contaminating the Asiatic peoples and nations, spreading its ominous tentacles
to the borders of Africa, and now invading its very heart, which Bah'u'llh in
unequivocal and emphatic language denounced in His Writings, comparing it to a
devouring flame and regarding it as the chief factor in precipitating the dire
ordeals and world-shaking crises that must necessarily involve the burning of
cities and the spread of terror and consternation in the hearts of men."
(Shoghi Effendi, Citadel of Faith, p.
125.
http://www.muslimedia.com/archives/features02/globe-mental.htm
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Re: inspiration or revelation?
At 9:32 AM -0500 5/29/06, Hasan Elias wrote: Does 'Abdu'l-Bahá reveal or He is inspired? Instead of say a Tablet, prayer revealed by 'Abdu'l-Bahá, we should say a Tablet inspired by 'Abdu'l-Bahá In English, a Tablet inspired by 'Abdu'l-Baha would not be written by Abdu'l-Baha, rather He would be the inspiration for it. Abdu'l-Baha revealed prayers and tablets, they are revelations of the Word of God, that's why they are considered Scripture, and references to Him are capitalized. Don C -- -.-.-.-.- He who believes himself spiritual proves he is not. The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
