Re: inspiration or revelation?
I've read and heard English-speaking Muslims make a distinction between revelation and inspiration and it is interesting to see that you also seem to be distinguishing between the two terms but are still using them in a very different way. For muslims, a text would be revealed or inspired by God. Revelation is said to be more direct where God guides the form as well as the content, not the human recipient. (The Quran is said to be revealed). But in an inspired text, perhaps only the content is said to come from God, while the human recipient is responsible for the style, the form, the genre etc. So the Bible is said to be inspired. Dear Gilberto, That's not just a Muslim distinction. Christians often make it as well. But in your thread, revealed/inspired seems to be a question of status for the human participant. Yes, that would be at least an element for Baha'is. Ultimately we see the Manifestation Himself as the Word of God. warmest, Susan The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
RE: inspiration or revelation?
Hasan wrote: Does
'Abdu'l-Bah reveal or He is inspired? Instead of say "a Tablet,
prayerrevealed by 'Abdu'l-Bah", we should say "a Tablet inspired by
'Abdu'l-Bah"
Dear Hasan,
As an English only speaking person, I'm quite comfortable with
the phrase "revealed by" in reference to'Abdu'l-Bah's prayers and
tablets. While recognizing that He was not a Manifestation of God, I
believe thereare sufficient passages from the Sacred Writings of
Baha'u'llah to indicate that 'Abdu'l-Bah' was divinely inspired - not the
least of which, was the appelation: Mystery of God.
My feeling is that this refers toHis measure of
receptivity, capacity and recognition of "divine inspiration" ... which
any of us are potentially capable of ... in a literal sense.
I would also consider that the term "revealed" in reference to
'Abdu'l-Bah's personal tablets to individuals falls into the the category of
the 2nd or 3rd meaning of reveal. See below.
Lovingly, Sandra
reveal
Function: transitive verb
1: to make known through divine
inspiration
2: to make publicly or generally known
3: to open up to view
synonyms
REVEAL, DISCLOSE, DIVULGE, TELL, BETRAY mean to make known what has been or
should be concealed. REVEAL may apply to supernatural or inspired revelation of
truths beyond the range of ordinary human vision or reason divine will as
revealed in sacred writings. DISCLOSE may imply a discovering but more often
an imparting of information previously kept secret
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Re: inspiration or revelation?
How about inspired by God and revealed by
Abdu'l-Baha?
and with certain prayers revealed by 'Abdu'l-Bahá
-- such communications constitute in themselves a notable and illuminating
chapter in the history of the unfoldment of the Bahá'í Administrative Order.
(Shoghi Effendi, God Passes By, p.
344)
Richard.
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Elias
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Subject: inspiration or revelation?
Does 'Abdu'l-Bahá reveal or He is inspired?
Instead of say "a Tablet, prayerrevealed by 'Abdu'l-Bahá", we
should say "a Tablet inspired by 'Abdu'l-Bahá"
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Re: inspiration or revelation?
But in your thread, revealed/inspired seems to be a question of status for the human participant. What is relavant, dear Gilberto, is that the Baha'i Revelation as with the Qur'an is the Revelation of God and confirms what went before. 3 He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it, even as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel. (The Qur'an (Pickthall tr), Sura 3 - The Family Of Imran) One must always refer to the Covenant of God and follow it. As Shoghi Effendi is the last Interpreter; and he states that Abdu'l-Baha has revealed Tablets or Prayers; then Abdu'l-Baha has revealed Tablets and Prayers. Richard. The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: inspiration or revelation?
At 9:32 AM -0500 5/29/06, Hasan Elias wrote: Does 'Abdu'l-Bahá reveal or He is inspired? Instead of say a Tablet, prayer revealed by 'Abdu'l-Bahá, we should say a Tablet inspired by 'Abdu'l-Bahá In English, a Tablet inspired by 'Abdu'l-Baha would not be written by Abdu'l-Baha, rather He would be the inspiration for it. Abdu'l-Baha revealed prayers and tablets, they are revelations of the Word of God, that's why they are considered Scripture, and references to Him are capitalized. Don C -- -.-.-.-.- He who believes himself spiritual proves he is not. The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
RE: inspiration or revelation?
Does 'Abdu'l-Bahá reveal or He is inspired? Instead of say a Tablet, prayer revealed by 'Abdu'l-Bahá, we should say a Tablet inspired by 'Abdu'l-Bahá On GPB p. 344 Shoghi Effendi refers to prayers 'revealed' by 'Abdu'l-Baha. The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. _ Need a new job? Check out XtraMSN Careers http://xtramsn.co.nz/careers __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
