[cia-drugs] The Hunt for Oil
The Hunt for Oil by emptywheel September 09, 2007 Does it surprise you that the first company to sign an oil deal with Iraqi Kurds is Hunt Oil, a company with very close ties to Bush and our country's intelligence infrastructure? Texas' Hunt Oil Co. and Kurdistan's regional government said Saturday they've signed a production-sharing contract for petroleum exploration in northern Iraq, the first such deal since the Kurds passed their own oil and gas law in August.A Hunt subsidiary, Hunt Oil Co. of the Kurdistan Region, will begin geological survey and seismic work by the end of 2007 and hopes to drill an exploration well in 2008, the parties said in a news release. Nope. It doesn't surprise me, either. But I am interested in what it portends for long-term plans in Iraq. First, some background. The Hunt family that owns Hunt Oil (it's privately held, so we don't get to scrutinize financial statements) is one of the big money Texas donors behind the Bush family political empire. Ray Hunt, the current chair of the company, is also on the board of Halliburton and the King Ranch, meaning he probably knows to duck when he goes quail hunting with Dick Cheney. Hunt is also on the board of trustees for Shrub's new presidential library, which has just announced its plans for a wacky democracy institute that will give cover for more imperialism around the world. Oh, and Hunt is also on PFIAB, which means he gets to review a huge amount of intelligence information and then refuse to reveal its classification and declassification activities--not to mention weigh in on whether or not the President's illegal intelligence activities are illegal or not. It's also worth noting that one of Hunt Oil Company's planes has been spotted taking off and landing at a CIA training facility. In short, Hunt Oil Company is as wired in as oil companies get--which is saying something. Now do you see why I find it interesting that Hunt Oil Company is the first company into Kurdistan's oil fields? What I don't know is how to interpret the deal. Perhaps it means nothing more than that Ray Hunt, having reviewed BushCo's plans and the real underlying intelligence personally, is sufficiently comfortable that Kurdistan will exist as a viable entity, with the oil laws in Iraq remaining as they are, with sufficient security, to conduct oil exploration over the long term (and this is oil exploration, so we are talking a long term indeed). Or perhaps Hunt has signed this deal as a favor to Bush, to push other, publicly held oil companies (which might--out of concern for shareholder value--hesitate before signing such a deal) to invest in Iraqi oil. The NYT article suggests both may be factors in this deal. Despite Iraq's vast oil reserves, major international companies have sat on the sidelines, not only for security reasons but because of the absence of legislation governing the industry and offering protection for investments. A draft oil law for all of Iraq has been bogged down for months, in part because of disputes over who will control the proceeds. In August, however, the Kurdish self-governing region in northern Iraq enacted its own law governing foreign oil investments. The move angered the central government in Baghdad, but the Kurds are determined to push ahead with oil exploration. Most interestingly, this deal suggests those close to Bush believe the US will retain its ties with Kurdistan, as a distinct entity, for some time. There is a growing body of evidence to suggest that recent developments in Iraq reflect a slow, but irreversible, split into three countries. If that happens, Turkey, Iran, and Syria are sure to be mightily involved in attempts to destabilize Kurdistan. But never fear, because Hunt Oil will be there, looking for oil. Among other things, I'm sure. If I had to guess, I'd suggest this is pretty solid evidence that BushCo has grown comfortable with the idea of Iraq splitting apart. http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2007/09/the-hunt-for-oi.html ~~~ Posted by: AZ Matt | September 09, 2007 at 13:33 Here is a map of the oil. http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/security/esar/esar_bigpic.htm Super impose a map of the new, permanent bases and one gets the idea of why we are there. Notice there aren't bases in al-Anbar, or Karballa provences. http://www.fcnl.org/iraq/bases.htm As to why Hunt would make such a gamble as making a deal with the Kurds - gambling runs in the family. The Hunt brothers ran up the silver market in the 1970s in response to inflation http://www.wallstraits.com/main/viewarticle.php?id=1298. I kind of think Eisenhower was wrong about them: Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things.
[cia-drugs] TIA and TSP Timing
TIA and TSP Timing by emptywheel July 30, 2007 Commenter joejoejoe sent me a superb timeline to show the chronology of Congress' building opposition to the Total Information Awareness program as it relates to the NSA's domestic wiretap program (how cool is that? I, the chronology weenie, am getting timelines out of the blue! Better than Christmas!!), which appears at the bottom of this post. I'd like to pull out just a few salient dates and add four (in bold italics) to what joejoejoe did. I think the time line lends support for the argument that one of the problems--a big problem--with the domestic wiretap program is that it violated clear instructions from Congress. 2/20/03 - President Bush signed reconciled House Senate version of above law with provision that terminates funding to TIA in 90 days and requires a Congressional update.(Consolidated Appropriations Resolution, 2003, No.108?7, Division M, §111(b) [signed Feb. 20, 2003]) 5/20/03 - 90 days later, Pentagon changes name of TIA from Total Information Awareness to Terrorist Information Awareness and calls it new program. Problem solved! 7/17/03 - Briefing for Intelligence Committee leadership (Pat Roberts, Jay Rockefeller, Porter Goss, and Jane Harman) on domestic wiretap program. This would be the last briefing before the crisis March 10 meeting. 7/17/03 - After his SECOND briefing on the program, Jay Rockefeller writes his CYA memo to Cheney, which states (thanks to Ann for the reminder on the date): I am writing to reiterate my concerns regarding the sensitive intelligence issues we discussed today with the DCI, DIRNSA,Chairman Roberts and our House Intelligence counterparts. [snip] As I reflected on the meeting today, and the future we face, John Poindexter's TIA project sprung to mind, exacerbating my concern regarding the direction the Administration is moving with regard to security, technology, and surveillance. [snip] I am retaining a copy of this letter in a sealed envelope in the secure spaces of the Senate Intelligence Committee to ensure that I have a record of this communication. 7/18/03 - Senate votes unanimously to block funding for the Total Information Awareness program. According to the Defense Department appropriations, no funding may be obligated or expended on research and development on the Terrorism Information Awareness program. - - over Bush admin. objections. Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2004, Pub. L. No. 108?87, § 8131, 117 Stat. 1054, 1102 (2003) 9/26/03 - Congress eliminates funding for TIA save some military and foreign surveillance exceptions - see Sec. 8131 (see signing statement below) 9/30-10/1/03 - Bush signs '04 Defense budget with signing statement, 1/04 - Given the pattern established in the prior three years twenty-seven months, there should have been a briefing of Congress in January 2004, but it did not occur. 2/11/04 - Senate Intelligence Committe hearing: one of TIA's strongest critics questioned whether intelligence officials knew that some of its programs had been moved to other agencies. Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., asked Director of National Intelligence John Negroponte and FBI Director Robert Mueller whether it was correct that when [TIA] was closed, that several ... projects were moved to various intelligence agencies I and others on this panel led the effort to close [TIA]; we want to know if Mr. Poindexter's programs are going on somewhere else. Negroponte and Mueller said they didn't know. But Negroponte's deputy, Gen. Michael V. Hayden, who until recently was director of the NSA, said, I'd like to answer in closed session. Asked for comment, Wyden's spokeswoman referred to his hearing statements. (via the National Journal, 2/23/04) 3/04/04 (est.) - Comey and Ashcroft agree, We had concerns as to our ability to certify its legality, which was our obligation for the program to be renewed. Ashrcroft taken ill. (see Marty Lederman on Comey's testimony at Balkanization) 3/10/04 - Congressional briefing on domestic wiretap program 3/10/04 - Gonzales hospital visit. 2/3/05 - First briefing of Intelligence Committee leadership after the hospital confrontation, eleven months earlier In other words, the Administration briefed Congress on the domestic wiretap program the day before the Senate made it explicit that they would not permit any data-mining of American citizens. That July 2003 briefing occurred in the normal pattern established in the previous two years, so it may be a coincidence. Or it may be that the Administration briefed Congress when they did before they would have a legal obligation to inform them they were breaking the law prohibiting data-mining of Americans. But that was also the briefing after which Rockefeller wrote his memo to Cheney expressing concerns about the program. I had always understood that Rockefeller sent that memo after his first
[cia-drugs] Fwd: Asking Why Petraeus Wasn't Sworn In Gets ex-CIA Official Ray McGovern Thrown Out
Begin forwarded message: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: September 11, 2007 12:21:48 AM PDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Asking Why Petraeus Wasn't Sworn In Gets ex-CIA Official Ray McGovern Thrown Out 'Swear Him In' Provokes Expulsion By Ray McGovern September 10, 2007 http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/091007a.html “Swear him in.” That’s all I said in the unusual silence this afternoon as first aid was being administered to Gen. David Petraeus’s microphone at the hearing before the House Armed Services and Foreign Affairs Committees. It had dawned on me that when House Armed Services Committee Chairman Ike Skelton, D-Missouri, invited Gen. Petraeus to make his presentation, Skelton forgot to ask him to take the customary oath to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I had no idea that would be enough to get me thrown out of the hearing. I had a flashback to a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing in early 2006, when Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vermont, reminded chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pennsylvania, that Specter had forgotten to swear in the witness, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales; and how Specter insisted that that would not be necessary. Now that may, or may not, be an invidious comparison. But Petraeus and Gonzales work for the same boss, who has a rather unusual relationship with the truth. How many of his senior staff could readily be convicted, as was the hapless-and-now-commuted Scooter Libby, of perjury? So I didn’t think twice about it. I really thought that Skelton perhaps forgot, and that the 10-minute interlude of silence while they fixed the microphone was a good chance to raise this seemingly innocent question. The more so since the ranking Republican representatives had been protesting too much. In the obverse of “killing the messenger,” they had been canonizing the messenger with protective fire. Ranking Armed Services Committee member Duncan Hunter, R- California, began what amounted to a SWAT-team attack on the credibility of those who dared attack the truthfulness of the sainted Petraeus, and issued a special press release decrying a full-pager in the New York Times equating Petraeus with “Betray-us.” Hunter served notice on any potential doubters, insisting that Petraeus’s “capability, integrity, intelligence...are without question.” And Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Florida, ranking member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, echoed that theme, unwittingly choosing another infelicitous almost-homonym for the charges against Petraeus—“outrageous.” Indeed, Hunter’s prepared statement, which he circulated before the hearing, amounted to little more than a full-scale “duty-honor- country” panegyric for the general. On the chance we did not hear him the first time, Hunter kept repeating how “independent” Petraeus is, how candid and full of integrity, and compared him to famous generals who testified to Congress in the past—Eisenhower, MacArthur, and Schwarzkopf. Advisedly, Hunter avoided any mention of Gen. William Westmoreland, commander of U.S. forces in Vietnam, who fell tragically short on those traits. [See Consortiumnews.com’s “Is Petraeus Today’s Westmoreland.”] If memory serves, the aforementioned generals and Westmoreland were required to testify under oath. And this was one of the main sticking points when CBS aired a program showing that Westmoreland had deliberately dissembled on the strength of Communist forces and U.S. “progress” in the war. When Westmoreland sued CBS for libel, several of his subordinates came clean, and Westmoreland quickly dropped the suit. The analogy with Westmoreland—justifying a White House wish to persist in an unwinnable war —is the apt one here. If Petraeus is so honest and full of integrity, what possible objection could he have to being sworn in? I had not the slightest hesitation being sworn in when testifying before the committee assembled by Rep. John Conyers, D-Michigan, on June 16, 2005. Should generals be immune? Or did his masters wish to give him a little more assurance that he could play fast and loose with the truth without the consequences encountered by Scooter Libby. With the microphone finally fixed, it quickly became clear. Petraeus tried to square a circle in his very first two paragraphs. In the first, he thanks the committees for the opportunity to “discuss the recommendations I recently provided to my chain of command for the way forward.” Then he stretches credulity well beyond the breaking point—at least for me: “At the outset, I would like to note that this is my testimony. Although I have briefed my assessment and recommendations to my chain of command, I wrote this testimony myself. It has not been cleared by, nor shared with, anyone in the Pentagon, the White House, or Congress.” Is not
[cia-drugs] Fwd: Bush Admin Using Extraordinary Rendition on Foreign Political Leaders Too
Begin forwarded message: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: September 11, 2007 12:41:43 AM PDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bush Admin Using Extraordinary Rendition on Foreign Political Leaders Too November 4, 2006 Kamal Siddiqi and Agencies Hindustan Times Islamabad, September 11, 2007 Sharif comes, Sharif goes Former Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was arrested and thrown out of the country hours after returning home from exile on Monday morning. Sharif, who flew in from London, was in Jeddah in Saudi Arabia in the evening. Sharif’s four hours of homecoming were spent at the airport, the first 90 minutes in the aircraft and the rest in the airport lounge. He was then whisked away in a helicopter, which left for an unknown destination. Soon he was headed for Jeddah [Saudi Arabia]. The government had bundled him out of the country. “He has been deported... he has been sent to Jeddah,” said a security official. In London, Sharif’s wife Kulsuma alleged that her husband had been misled. “He was told he was being arrested in connection with a corruption case in Karachi many years ago,” she said. “He was under the impression he was being flown to Karachi where he would be lodged in jail, and produced before a court the next day.” It was only in the air that Sharif was informed he was being taken to Jeddah, she added. Sharif’s lawyer said he would be moving the Supreme Court against the deportation as it contravened the court’s earlier order allowing the the brothers to return home. Former Pakistan chief justice Sajjad Ali Shah said the deportation made a mockery of the Supreme Court decision. Experts are saying President Pervez Musharraf may have made things more difficult for himself. The former Prime Minister, his brother Shahbaz, and other members of the Sharif clan went into exile in December 2000, after Nawaz chose exile in Saudi Arabia over imprisonment following his conviction on charges of hijacking a plane carrying General Musharraf in 1999. Sharif told reporters in London, “I am going back to my country with the resolve to rid my motherland of problems and lawlessness caused by the policies of one man — General Pervez Musharraf.” At the last moment he decided to leave his younger brother Shahbaz behind. He said, “If anything were to happen to me, Shahbaz would be there to do the needful.” Travelling club class on a PIA flight – number 786, Sharif joined his party workers in the economy section five minutes before landing. The flight touched down at 8:48 am, Pakistan time. Sharif and his entourage stayed on board while other passengers disembarked. http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/Print.aspx? Id=f3126501-72ea-4923-b568-ea76f680f1a3 © Copyright 2007 Hindustan Times -- September 10, 2007 http://newssophisticate.blogspot.com/2007/09/all-hell-has-broken- loose-in-pakistan.html All Hell has broken loose in Pakistan: Sharif just got 'Bushwhacked' All hell is breaking loose in Pakistan. President Pervez Musharraf is about to face his demons. Which in turn means the entire 'war of terror network' is in panic mode. On Thursday, exiled former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif stated that he would be returning to Pakistan to bring the country back to the people. I and my brother Shahbaz are going back to Pakistan on September 10 and that will be the day of people's victory stated Sharif His statement led to a wild frenzy of US, Saudi Arabian, and UK high ranking officials who had flown in and cooped themselves up trying to save Musharraf and prevent Sharif from returning. Both Negroponte ( MUST READ LINK ) and Boucher flew in. Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah sent his two most important advisers - intelligence boss Prince Muqrin bin Abdul Aziz and Saad Hariri the [Musharraf]President awaited the arrival of US deputy secretary of state John Negroponte and South Asian under-secretary of State Richard Boucher Diplomatic sources in Islamabad said yesterday the two officials would tell General Musharraf that he must do all that's required to reach agreement with Ms Bhutto. They're absolutely determined on this agreement, seeing it as the only way to stop the rot and halt the Talibanisation of the country, a senior diplomat said yesterday. Bruce Loudon 9/8/07 an official said last night There are crisis meetings going on around the clock. No final decision has been made. It probably won't be made until the last minute... Let's see first whether Sharif gets on the plane. We've then got eight hours to decide. Bruce Loudon 9/10/07 Musharraf and his cronies started to game plan. Saudi Arabia even offered asylum if Sharif wouldn't return. First, on Friday, they sent out a message that they had prepared a VIP prison cell for Sharif and then the anti terrorism unit issued an arrest warrant for his
[cia-drugs] Re: [political-research] The Israel Lobby: Some Key Components (Update)
tigerbengalis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do items on a list have to do with a grasp of complex 20/21st century global geopolitics? Because Sean is really John Foster Chip Berlet, the spook who is the go-to-guy for 9-11 and other conspiracy debunks. He has been sending out the false meme of the Jews did it since he first went public on the CIA-drugs email list in September 2001, after lurking on that list for over a year. He posts a posit that the neo-cons are responsible for all the bad, while GHW Bush, Skull Bones, etc. are powerless to stop. It is so much claptrap, designed to ensnare prejudices down a rabbit hole that allows Berlet to then do his thing. Chipper should have used Elmer Fudd instead of Sean McBride for his Internet alias. MHO, Om Kris Milegan On Sep 11, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Sean McBride wrote: The game plan for knocking over a long list of Mideast enemies of Israel was designed by Likud and the neoconservatives, NOT by the oil lobby. The Clean Break paper (have you read it yet?) was written for Benjamin Netanyahu by pro-Israel militants, some of whom (like David Wurmser) went on to control Dick Cheney's office under Bush 43. I've repeatedly pointed out that most foreign policy realists and oil industry leaders (including the Bush 41 inner circle) believe that the American invasion of Iraq, which was engineered primarily by neoconservatives with close ties to Israel and Likud, will be a disaster for American access to Mideast oil. It is impossible profitably to extract oil from regions in which the natives are overflowing with violent hatred for the parties trying to do the extracting. Oil companies require secure and friendly relations with their foreign business partners to operate profitably. Why do you think it is that the United States has gone to such great lengths not to ruffle the feathers of Saudi Arabia? The prosperity of Americans is dependent on the good will of Saudis. Now: why is it that whenever I bring up this absolutely central issue regarding the Iraq War, some folks here pretend that they didn't read the words that I know they must have read? Why are they failing to respond to this reality? The American military is already on the verge of cracking up in Iraq, and the main battle there has barely begun. Foreign occupations simply are not viable in the contemporary world, as Americans, who violently kicked the British off their soil, should well understand. A major tactic employed by the neoconservatives and the Israel lobby to cover their tracks has been to falsely blame and scapegoat the oil industry and the traditional foreign policy establishment for the disastrous policies which the neocons and the Lobby themselves have conspicuously promoted. Michael Ruppert, who often used the antisemitism smear to muddle through arguments on topics on which he was poorly informed, went so far as to try to blame Zbigniew Brzezinski for the Iraq War! But wait: Brzezinski, the foremost strategic genius in the American foreign policy establishment, OPPOSED the Iraq War! In Michael Ruppert we saw the Israel lobby at work in the conspiracy media -- the Lobby, which is a messianic cult, is utterly undeterred by facts about the real world. The weak debating trick you are using in this exchange is to focus on Tikkun, while pretending that AIPAC, the Conference of Presidents, JINSA, AEI, PNAC, the New York Times, the Washington Post, etc. weren't mentioned. The Israel lobby these days operates primarily with these kinds of tricks because it can't defend its core beliefs and policies in fair, open and rational debate. Tikkun is a small operation compared to the New York Times, the Washington Post or Fox News, but it is an important Israeli gatekeeper on the left, and part of a network of such left gatekeepers, which includes Greg Palast and Noam Chomsky. All of these ops, all across the political spectrum, operate as part of a single powerful political machine which has acquired a destructive stranglehold over both the Republican and Democratic Parties. tigerbengalis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do items on a list have to do with a grasp of complex 20/21st century global geopolitics? Profits from the development and exploitation of Iraq's oil reserves (perhaps the last the planet will have) are estimated in hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars over the coming decades. Dick Cheney effectively took control of America in late 2000, as the representative of those interests, and he and those interests are more powerful than any combination of names on your list if not the whole list. TIKKUN?? Come on. The strategy was to knock over Iraq, Iran, and Syria. The game plan still is in operation. Why in God's name would we be invading and slaughtering Arabs and Americans in a largely desert part of the globe other then for
[cia-drugs] Fwd: [political-research] The Israel Lobby: Lead Components Ranked by Importance
Begin forwarded message: From: RoadsEnd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: September 11, 2007 8:52:43 AM PDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: RoadsEnd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [political-research] The Israel Lobby: Lead Components Ranked by Importance Chip, this is really quite funny. So CFR and Bilderberg Group are now part of the Israel Lobby, but GHW Bush, Baker etc. have no influence? This is just you trying to appropriate power centers for your prejudice sales talk. What a transparent spook ploy. Peace, Kris Millegan A real person On Sep 11, 2007, at 8:38 AM, Sean McBride wrote: 7. CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) 8. Bilderberg Group =
[cia-drugs] Re: [truthabout911] Paranoid Schizophrenics in the Conspiracy Theory Community
Sean sue me please. And, Chipper please post anything factual about a major mental breakdown. I am a real person, I post under my real name. Sean McBride is a fake name. Sean McBride claimed that he posted under Sean because he was scared of the Mossad. No, Sean, there is only one person that I have ever accused of being Berlet. You. Please post where I see Chip Berlet, whom he sees everywhere, lurking behind every tree I am a publisher of books that Berlet's employers would rather not be printed, so he calls me names and accuses me of be deranged. www.trineday.com How could a deranged person do what I do. Could a deranged person win a lawsuit in Federal District Court? I had to appear in court, be questioned on the stand by very belligerent lawyers, yet Sean says I am seriously deranged John Foster Chip Berlet is a spook and he and his crew use the fake name of Sean McBride to push false memes. Anytime you wish to go to court, I am there Sean. Peace, Kris Millegan http://www.ctrl.org/MilleganStews/McBride-Berlet.html On Sep 11, 2007, at 9:11 AM, Sean McBride wrote: The author of this post had a major mental breakdown several years ago, possibly as the result of using too many psychedelic drugs, and now exhibits all the classical signs of paranoid schizophrenia. He is obsessed with Chip Berlet, whom he sees everywhere, lurking behind every tree. I've never met or communicated with Chip Berlet, and disagree with most of the few writings by Berlet that I've read. Anyone who compares my writings with Berlet's with a discerning eye will quickly see that Kris Millegan is seriously deranged and is unable to process even elementary English prose. As sad as Millegan's case is, he is walking very close to a lawsuit. Notice that Millegan failed to respond in a rational and informed way to a single point in my post -- he knows absolutely nothing about the subject. But he considers himself to be an expert on global power politics. One finds a fair amount of this madness in the conspiracy theory community. RoadsEnd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tigerbengalis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do items on a list have to do with a grasp of complex 20/21st century global geopolitics? Because Sean is really John Foster Chip Berlet, the spook who is the go-to-guy for 9-11 and other conspiracy debunks. He has been sending out the false meme of the Jews did it since he first went public on the CIA-drugs email list in September 2001, after lurking on that list for over a year. He posts a posit that the neo-cons are responsible for all the bad, while GHW Bush, Skull Bones, etc. are powerless to stop. It is so much claptrap, designed to ensnare prejudices down a rabbit hole that allows Berlet to then do his thing. Chipper should have used Elmer Fudd instead of Sean McBride for his Internet alias. MHO, Om Kris Milegan On Sep 11, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Sean McBride wrote: The game plan for knocking over a long list of Mideast enemies of Israel was designed by Likud and the neoconservatives, NOT by the oil lobby. The Clean Break paper (have you read it yet?) was written for Benjamin Netanyahu by pro-Israel militants, some of whom (like David Wurmser) went on to control Dick Cheney's office under Bush 43. I've repeatedly pointed out that most foreign policy realists and oil industry leaders (including the Bush 41 inner circle) believe that the American invasion of Iraq, which was engineered primarily by neoconservatives with close ties to Israel and Likud, will be a disaster for American access to Mideast oil. It is impossible profitably to extract oil from regions in which the natives are overflowing with violent hatred for the parties trying to do the extracting. Oil companies require secure and friendly relations with their foreign business partners to operate profitably. Why do you think it is that the United States has gone to such great lengths not to ruffle the feathers of Saudi Arabia? The prosperity of Americans is dependent on the good will of Saudis. Now: why is it that whenever I bring up this absolutely central issue regarding the Iraq War, some folks here pretend that they didn't read the words that I know they must have read? Why are they failing to respond to this reality? The American military is already on the verge of cracking up in Iraq, and the main battle there has barely begun. Foreign occupations simply are not viable in the contemporary world, as Americans, who violently kicked the British off their soil, should well understand. A major tactic employed by the neoconservatives and the Israel lobby to cover their tracks has been to falsely blame and scapegoat the oil industry and the traditional foreign policy establishment for the disastrous policies which the neocons and the Lobby themselves have conspicuously promoted. Michael Ruppert, who
[cia-drugs] Re: [political-research] Neocons in the CFR and Bilderberg Group
When his fingers are on his keyboard he is lying. Sean/Chip lies so much, he doesn't even know when he is lying. Sean?Chip says that he is not going to communicate with the mental patient in cia-drug- burnouts directly, yet he sends this email to cia- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Notice he doesn't send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trying to protect you image over there? So, Sean, please explain to us your direct personal experience with these players on both sides. Could that be as spook John Foster Chip Berlet. All your name-calling, character assassination and snide remarks truly belie your agenda and make more transparent who you are and your agenda, John. Power struggle, my ass., to quote The Who, Meet the new boss Same as the old boss Peace, Kris Millegan trineday.com 1.800.556.2012 On Sep 11, 2007, at 9:43 AM, Sean McBride wrote: I am not going to communicate with the mental patient in cia-drug- burnouts directly -- the experience is as unpleasant as being accosted by a drunken derelict in the street. With regard to the role of the Israel lobby in the Bilderberg Group and the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations): it is enormous -- not all-controlling or all-powerful, but highly influential. Many members of both groups are neoconservatives with close ties to Likud and the Israel lobby. Kenneth Pollack is one of the better examples of how neocons in the CFR engineered the Iraq War, a disaster which many CFR members have strongly opposed. There a tremendous power struggle currently underway between the traditional foreign policy elite and the neoconservatives -- this has been the major story during the Bush 43 administration -- the titanic battle between these two factions, which is still unfolding. Most self-educated conspiracy theorists who have never had any direct personal experience with these players on both sides know nothing about it. They are basically religious fundamentalists in their psychology and outlook -- highly emotional and simpleminded, and militantly anti-empirical. The minds of some of them have been badly scrambled by drugs. Some key members of the Israel lobby in the Bilderberg Group: 1. Israel lobby Ahmad Chalabi Bilderberg Group 2. Israel lobby Barbara Amiel Bilderberg Group 3. Israel lobby Bruce Kovner Bilderberg Group 4. Israel lobby Conrad Black Bilderberg Group 5. Israel lobby Dennis Ross Bilderberg Group 6. Israel lobby Donald Graham Bilderberg Group 7. Israel lobby Douglas Feith Bilderberg Group 8. Israel lobby Dwayne Andreas Bilderberg Group 9. Israel lobby Henry Kissinger Bilderberg Group 10. Israel lobby Henry Kravis Bilderberg Group 11. Israel lobby John Bolton Bilderberg Group 12. Israel lobby Lawrence Summers Bilderberg Group 13. Israel lobby Marc Grossman Bilderberg Group 14. Israel lobby Marie-Josee Kravis Bilderberg Group 15. Israel lobby Michael Ledeen Bilderberg Group 16. Israel lobby Norman Pearlstine Bilderberg Group 17. Israel lobby Paul Wolfowitz Bilderberg Group 18. Israel lobby Richard Holbrooke Bilderberg Group 19. Israel lobby Richard Perle Bilderberg Group 20. Israel lobby Robert Kagan Bilderberg Group 21. Israel lobby Stephen Harper Bilderberg Group 22. Israel lobby Thomas Friedman Bilderberg Group 23. Israel lobby William Luti Bilderberg Group Notice the close intersection between these Israeli ops in the Bilderberg Group and the ringleaders of the Iraq War -- are the names Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Michael Ledeen and Richard Perle ringing any bells?
[cia-drugs] Re: [truthabout911] Shooter Joins Forces with Kris Millegan
Sean if they are libelous, then sue me. Sean says I managed to ruin his own Yahoo Group, cia-drugs. How do you figure? Because I don't allow you, a known spook to post? CIA- Drugs is still alive an well with more members and continues with posts from many different folks. Please post all the posts of folks where folks have treated [me] as a laughingstock and a burn-out. Notice that Sean never answers me. He just calls me names. Peace, Kris Millegan 1.800.556.2012 On Sep 11, 2007, at 10:38 AM, Sean McBride wrote: Do you really want to get into the same bed with Kris Millegan? He is treated as a laughingstock and a burn-out by most of those who have observed his behavior over the last few years. He managed to ruin his own Yahoo Group, cia-drugs, with his paranoid and false accusations against a number of group members. The moderators (Max and Seven) should start dealing with Millegan's libelous posts here. shooter586 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The best indication that you are mentally ill is that you are carrying your psychotic obsession of the pro-Isreali militants and the Bildergerg group into a board that has nothing to do with them. Looks like Sean is exposed again. I guess everyone has a secret or two. It sure explains a lot about Sean's attempts at trying to spin 9-11 into this Israel debate. Now I can laugh at his rants and that he really doesn't know what he is talking about. Also explains a lot about his not wanting to learn about reality in the ME.
[cia-drugs] Re: [political-research] Sean McBride is John Foster Chip Berlet, a spook
Again, John F., follows his pattern of first calling me names then say I am an Israeli op. Mr. Berlet, please remember that I since am a real person and you have just accused me of being a foreign intelligence operation, then you have committed libel. Let see, Sean says I have aligned myself with the neo-cons. Gee, did I do that by stepping up to publish Wayne Madsen, when no one else would? Or how about our upcoming book on the Bilderbergs or the Franklin Scandal? No, Sean, I am just a real person, an old hippie, who believes in our Constitution, our republican form of government and God. What dirty tactics am I using? What cult am I a member of? Sean, how does what Mike Ruppert say prove anything about me? Keep it up, Sean. You sure are winning this debate. Peace, Kris Millegan On Sep 11, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Sean McBride wrote: Kris Millegan is an Israeli Op Anyone who has doubted that Kris Millegan is an Israeli op should take a close look at his latest posts. His contribution to the discussion about the Israel lobby that serious thinkers like John Mearsheimer, Stephen Walt and Phil Weiss are conducting? -- deranged and snarling assaults on those whom he considers to be the enemies of the Jews, uncontaminated by not the slightest engagement with particular facts. Was cia-drugs an Israeli op all along? That's what the overall pattern of behavior strongly suggests. Kris Millegan is an Israeli gatekeeper in the conspiracy media, along with Jared Israel, Art Bell, and quite a few others. Mearsheimer (University of Chicago) and Walt (Harvard University), by the way, are very high-level members of the power elite that Millegan theorizes about from a great distance in his incoherent psychedelic ramblings. The battle between foreign policy realists and neoconservatives at the highest levels of American politics is not a managed Hegelian dialectic -- it's the real deal. Any serious student of history knows that all power elites throughout the ages have been riven by internecine warfare -- the behavioral pattern springs from basic human nature. Millegan has conspicuously aligned himself with neoconservatives and the Israel lobby in this debate, and he is using the dirty tactics that are typical of the worst members of the cult. One example of Millegan's failure to engage on facts: Michael Ruppert tried to scapegoat Zbigniew Brzezinski for the Iraq War, even though Brzezinski has been one of the strongest opponents of the war and of the neoconservative agenda in general. How does one explain irrationality on this scale? Ignorance? Deliberate lying? Looks like an op to me.
[cia-drugs] Fwd: Historical domain name, formerly owned by the Binladin family, goes up
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[cia-drugs] Re: [truthabout911] Re: Shooter's Expertise on Mideast Politics
Sean, why don't you answer the questions posed to you. You are a coward, without even have the courage of your convictions to post under your real name. And why do you demand so much information from people? Part of your spook job? You make lists that are incongruent and speciously tie people together because of their last names, trying to lead people by their own prejudices and ignorance. All to try to influence posters on a few, but very active, disassembling small-time Internet forums. What's the point, Sean? If you really believed what you post, Why would be spending your time here? Peace, Kris Millegan On Sep 11, 2007, at 11:45 AM, Sean McBride wrote: Shooter, 1. Which specific Mideast countries did you visit? 2. For how long in each country? 3. On what business (generally speaking)? 4. What lessons did you learn from your visits to the Mideast? 5. Why did you support the disastrous Iraq War if you are indeed the Mideast expert you claim to be? 6. Which news sources do you monitor regularly for your understanding of Mideast politics? So far you haven't mentioned one. I mentioned 70 sources. Your notion that living in or visiting a region makes one an expert on the region is laughably naive. One becomes an expert on a region by understanding the major issues in the region. Acquiring that understanding requires a major education and a tremendous amount of reading. I've sat around a seminar table with a head of Mossad. I don't need to visit the Mideast to know what Mideast leaders are thinking and what they are planning. That is why I was able to make much more accurate predictions about the outcome of the Iraq War than you were. Oh, and the really key question: why is ISRAEL in particular such a hot button issue for you? Does your emotion about Israel explain why you have posted more in the defense of the 9/11 official conspiracy theory than any other human being on the planet? shooter586 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, put it this way. I have travelled to 8 ME countries over a 12 year span. This means I have been to 8 more countries than you have and have 12 years more expereience than you have. Now, your turn. What ME countries have you been to and how long have you been there? Let me save you the trouble. ZERO and ZERO. In other words, you are guessing that everything you read about hte ME is factual and not biased by the author of your book collection. Seeing how you stick to anti-Israel side of every story, you have half the knowledge of what is going on in the ME. Your understanding of militant Islam is a joke. You think Muslims have never harmed a person in ytheir lives and are just victims of Israel. Well? Have you even been to Israel? Didn't think so. So, you entire knowledge of ME politics is from a biased book. You have a list of authors that have done all the thinking for you. This explains a lot why you think 9-11 was done by the US govt or Israel govt. You have no facts, just guesses and assumptions. You can't base any of this on factual claims, just suppositions and such. Maybe you should just keep to making up lists of people that you are deeply afraid of and jump when they go Boo! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sean McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shooter's Expertise on Mideast Politics Well, it looks like Shooter is craving discussion with me again. Shooter, Which specific Mideast countries have you visited, and for how long in each country? Why were you visiting them? What are the most important lessons you learned from your experiences in those countries? And: Why did you support the Iraq War? Most Mideast experts in the realist foreign policy community predicted that the Iraq War would turn into a catastrophe long before it started -- that was a no- brainer. Even Dick Cheney understood this would happen back in the days when he was sane and not under the thumb of the neocons. And: Which news channels do you follow regularly to understand Mideast politics? These are mine: # Pro-Neoconservative News Sources 1. Arutz Sheva (Israel National News) 2. Atlas Shrugs (Pamela Geller Oshry) 3. Commentary 4. Daniel Pipes Weblog 5. Dhimmi Watch (Robert Spencer) 6. Faster, Please! (Michael Ledeen) 7. FrontPage Magazine 8. Instapundit (Glenn Reynolds) 9. Israpundit (Ted Belman) 10. Jerusalem Post 11. Jewish Press 12. Jewish World Review 13. Jihad Watch (Robert Spencer) 14. Joel C. Rosenberg 15. Little Green Footballs (Charles Johnson) 16. MEMRI 17. National Review 18. New York Post 19. New York Sun 20. One Jerusalem Blog 21. Pajamas Media 22. Power Line 23. The Spine (Martin Peretz) 24. Weekly Standard 25. WorldNetDaily 26. Zionist Conspiracy (Steven Plaut) # Anti-Neoconservative News Sources 27. American Conservative 28. Another Day in the Empire (Kurt Nimmo) 29. Antiwar.com 30. Antony Loewenstein 31. Consortiumnews.com (Robert Parry) 32. Counterpunch 33. EIR
[cia-drugs] Re: [truthabout911] Sean on the Bilderberg Group
Sean, how come you never answer Shooter's questions? How come you never answer my questions? Just call me names. Peace, Kris Millegan On Sep 11, 2007, at 12:02 PM, Sean McBride wrote: Let's try this again, Shooter: Which of the following names are you claiming are NOT associated with the Bilderberg Group, the neoconservatives, the Israel lobby and the Iraq War? How much do you know about each of these people? Have you researched their roles in using 9/11 to engineer the Iraq War? 1. Israel lobby Ahmad Chalabi Bilderberg Group 2. Israel lobby Barbara Amiel Bilderberg Group 3. Israel lobby Bruce Kovner Bilderberg Group 4. Israel lobby Conrad Black Bilderberg Group 5. Israel lobby Dennis Ross Bilderberg Group 6. Israel lobby Donald Graham Bilderberg Group 7. Israel lobby Douglas Feith Bilderberg Group 8. Israel lobby Dwayne Andreas Bilderberg Group 9. Israel lobby Henry Kissinger Bilderberg Group 10. Israel lobby Henry Kravis Bilderberg Group 11. Israel lobby John Bolton Bilderberg Group 12. Israel lobby Lawrence Summers Bilderberg Group 13. Israel lobby Marc Grossman Bilderberg Group 14. Israel lobby Marie-Josee Kravis Bilderberg Group 15. Israel lobby Mark Warner Bilderberg Group 16. Israel lobby Michael Ledeen Bilderberg Group 17. Israel lobby Norman Pearlstine Bilderberg Group 18. Israel lobby Paul Wolfowitz Bilderberg Group 19. Israel lobby Richard Holbrooke Bilderberg Group 20. Israel lobby Richard Perle Bilderberg Group 21. Israel lobby Robert Kagan Bilderberg Group 22. Israel lobby Stephen Harper Bilderberg Group 23. Israel lobby Thomas Friedman Bilderberg Group 24. Israel lobby William Luti Bilderberg Group
[cia-drugs] GREETINGS FROM BUKAVU ( RWANDAN - CONGOLESE BORDER )
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Re: [cia-drugs] Re: [truthabout911] Shooter on the Bilderberg Group
Sean, I have no idea who Shooter is or what his beliefs are. I am not upset about Israel, matter-of-fact, if one peruses any of my email lists, one can easily determine for themselves whether I shy away from discussing Israel or the dialectics surrounding it. What I do not support is Nazis or the holocaust denial canard. Berlet is using spook rhetorical tricks to try and bind us. Few people will engage with me in discussion? Please post something that supports that position. I am the publisher of record of quite a few folks, and have more books coming out. Please post something that supports your position that I am mentally ill. Please post any libelous statement I have made against any former members of CIA-drugs@yahoogroups.com So the neocons run the CRF and the Bilderberg group? Colin Powell and George Tenet, now those are honorable men? Gee, are they the good guys versus them mean old nasty neocons? What a crock. Peace, K On Sep 11, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Sean McBride wrote: Notice how Shooter and Millegan are teaming up; what binds them is their extreme emotional upset about discussion about Israel and their utter incoherence in defending their cult beliefs. Few people will engage in a discussion with Millegan because he is mentally ill. He has made many false, libelous and insane accusations against many former members of his Yahoo group cia- drugs (now known as cia-drug-burnouts). People tend to avoid him like they avoid crazy people on the street -- if you can at all help it, don't make eye contact. There has still been no meaningful response about the role of neoconservatives and the Israel lobby in the Bilderberg Group. That role has been huge, and helps explain why the Bilderberg Group (and the CFR) were key players in using 9/11 to engineer the Iraq War. Quite a few Bilderberg Group and CFR members have opposed the Iraq War (traditional foreign policy realists), but not enough to prevail in the policy debate. Quite a few defectors from the Bush 43 administration (including Colin Powell and George Tenet) are laying the blame for the Iraq War on the neocons. They know what they are talking about -- they witnessed the policy process first- hand. RoadsEnd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sean, how come you never answer Shooter's questions? How come you never answer my questions? Just call me names. Peace, Kris Millegan On Sep 11, 2007, at 12:02 PM, Sean McBride wrote: Let's try this again, Shooter: Which of the following names are you claiming are NOT associated with the Bilderberg Group, the neoconservatives, the Israel lobby and the Iraq War? How much do you know about each of these people? Have you researched their roles in using 9/11 to engineer the Iraq War? 1. Israel lobby Ahmad Chalabi Bilderberg Group 2. Israel lobby Barbara Amiel Bilderberg Group 3. Israel lobby Bruce Kovner Bilderberg Group 4. Israel lobby Conrad Black Bilderberg Group 5. Israel lobby Dennis Ross Bilderberg Group 6. Israel lobby Donald Graham Bilderberg Group 7. Israel lobby Douglas Feith Bilderberg Group 8. Israel lobby Dwayne Andreas Bilderberg Group 9. Israel lobby Henry Kissinger Bilderberg Group 10. Israel lobby Henry Kravis Bilderberg Group 11. Israel lobby John Bolton Bilderberg Group 12. Israel lobby Lawrence Summers Bilderberg Group 13. Israel lobby Marc Grossman Bilderberg Group 14. Israel lobby Marie-Josee Kravis Bilderberg Group 15. Israel lobby Mark Warner Bilderberg Group 16. Israel lobby Michael Ledeen Bilderberg Group 17. Israel lobby Norman Pearlstine Bilderberg Group 18. Israel lobby Paul Wolfowitz Bilderberg Group 19. Israel lobby Richard Holbrooke Bilderberg Group 20. Israel lobby Richard Perle Bilderberg Group 21. Israel lobby Robert Kagan Bilderberg Group 22. Israel lobby Stephen Harper Bilderberg Group 23. Israel lobby Thomas Friedman Bilderberg Group 24. Israel lobby William Luti Bilderberg Group =
[cia-drugs] Re: [truthabout911] Re: Shooter's Expertise on Mideast Politics
No, Sean is a spook, make no mistake. There is method in his actions and ... results. That is why I step up and expose him. It is funny because you are using some of Berlet's own words against him, but it just a false dialectic argument. Conspiracy and the corruption happening in our political and economic world are NOT happening because of some deep-seated emotional need or fears of mine or many of the others. We have actually done research and confirmed the fact of these corruptions. This very real corruption of our body politic is happening because ... they can ... and do. Peace, Kris Millegan On Sep 11, 2007, at 1:44 PM, shooter586 wrote: He is hardly a spook. A spook would have a very basic understanding of the topics they talk about. He is just the rambling type that needs to make everyone else fearful of his own inane fears. This way, he doesn't look like such an outcast. Also, why he is forced to post 24/7 from his bedroom. You will notice most of his lists are premade and pasted. He just posts them over and over again terying to get people to respond to him. He is very easily lead arounf by the neck and he can be made to do anything. Aski him a direct quesiton about 9-11 and he runs faster than Paul Watson from a lie detector. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], RoadsEnd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sean, why don't you answer the questions posed to you. You are a coward, without even have the courage of your convictions to post under your real name. And why do you demand so much information from people? Part of your spook job? You make lists that are incongruent and speciously tie people together because of their last names, trying to lead people by their own prejudices and ignorance. All to try to influence posters on a few, but very active, disassembling small-time Internet forums. What's the point, Sean? If you really believed what you post, Why would be spending your time here? Peace, Kris Millegan Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [cia-drugs] Re: [truthabout911] Shooter on the Bilderberg Group
Ok, so let's see Sean, if one prevails in the policy debate, would that not be the same as running the organization, i.e., telling the other members what the group is going to do. No, Berlet, you are fighting for your pseudonym's life and besides mostly all you want is engagement, because if you engage then you are ahead in your game. And, I am so sorry that you can not understand the sophistication of the gambit that you present, but then that wouldn't be on point would it, John F.? It's a gambit as old as the hills, how do you make the bad guys the good guys, well you create badder guys to oppose them, then the presto, GHW Bush, and the Oil companies are the good guys. Again, you never answer my questions. Where do the neocons bank? Is it different than Bush and the oil companies? In this internal warfare among the elites are there ground-rules? Do GHW and GW Bush eat at the same table at Kennebunkport? Did GW and GHW exchange gifts at Christmas? Sean McBride is the creation of spook John Foster Berlet. Please take me to court. Peace, Kris Millegan On Sep 11, 2007, at 1:45 PM, Sean McBride wrote: See, this is why I do not consider you to be a serious mind or someone worthy of respect in the conspiracy research community. This is typical of your very low level intellectual standards: [BEGIN QUOTE] So the neocons run the CRF and the Bilderberg group? Colin Powell and George Tenet, now those are honorable men? Gee, are they the good guys versus them mean old nasty neocons? [END QUOTE] I said that the neocons prevailed in the policy debate over the Iraq War at the Bilderberg Group and the CFR, not that they run those groups. For the time being, they have been exerting strong effective influence on those groups in getting them to go along with the Likud/AIPAC/AEI/JINSA line. But that situation could change at any time, as the balance of power shifts once again in favor of traditional foreign policy realists. And I didn't claim that Colin Powell and George Tenet are saints. But I do prefer anyone in the U.S. government who has opposed rather than supported the Iraq War. Without a doubt Powell and Tenet were much too weak in standing up to the neocrazies in the Bush 43 administration: Paul Wolfowitz, Abram Shulsky, Elliott Abrams, Douglas Feith, David Wurmser, John Bolton and all the rest of the gang. All of these discriminations are lost on you. You come across like an excited little kid, full of righteous indignation and moral superiority which you haven't earned. Not to mention the drug- induced paranoid schizophrenia, of course. We now have three people on this list who have experienced your mental issues first- hand and who will testify to your problems in that area. You give conspiracy theorizing a bad name because you get so many of your facts wrong. RoadsEnd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sean, I have no idea who Shooter is or what his beliefs are. I am not upset about Israel, matter-of-fact, if one peruses any of my email lists, one can easily determine for themselves whether I shy away from discussing Israel or the dialectics surrounding it. What I do not support is Nazis or the holocaust denial canard. Berlet is using spook rhetorical tricks to try and bind us. Few people will engage with me in discussion? Please post something that supports that position. I am the publisher of record of quite a few folks, and have more books coming out. Please post something that supports your position that I am mentally ill. Please post any libelous statement I have made against any former members of CIA-drugs@yahoogroups.com So the neocons run the CRF and the Bilderberg group? Colin Powell and George Tenet, now those are honorable men? Gee, are they the good guys versus them mean old nasty neocons? What a crock. Peace, K On Sep 11, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Sean McBride wrote: Notice how Shooter and Millegan are teaming up; what binds them is their extreme emotional upset about discussion about Israel and their utter incoherence in defending their cult beliefs. Few people will engage in a discussion with Millegan because he is mentally ill. He has made many false, libelous and insane accusations against many former members of his Yahoo group cia- drugs (now known as cia-drug-burnouts). People tend to avoid him like they avoid crazy people on the street -- if you can at all help it, don't make eye contact. There has still been no meaningful response about the role of neoconservatives and the Israel lobby in the Bilderberg Group. That role has been huge, and helps explain why the Bilderberg Group (and the CFR) were key players in using 9/11 to engineer the Iraq War. Quite a few Bilderberg Group and CFR members have opposed the Iraq War (traditional foreign policy realists), but not enough to prevail in the policy debate. Quite a few defectors from the Bush 43
[cia-drugs] Re: [truthabout911] Re: Shooter's Expertise on Mideast Politics
That's fine, say all you want. If you want to laugh and not read that's OK to, but it speaks volumes. And by what you have said here denotes that you know very little of what I say or my understandings. I just came here to expose John F. Berlet's use of Sean McBride, not to debate anonymouses over bullooney. Peace, Kris Millegan On Sep 11, 2007, at 3:03 PM, shooter586 wrote: Actually, your research is just as light-hearted as Sean's. I saw your webpage and laughed too hard to stay there. The fact that you CTistsd are fighting is like seeing the no- planers fight with other CTists. You are using arguments that have ZERO link to the scientific theory or method. You use terms that ouu know nothing about. You are pointing fingers at CIA and Mossad as if you have ANY knowledge of them. This is very typical with factions within each CT. I bet if I asked you to provide a single fact about the CIA's operations in the last decade, you will come up enpty. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], RoadsEnd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, Sean is a spook, make no mistake. There is method in his actions and ... results. That is why I step up and expose him. It is funny because you are using some of Berlet's own words against him, but it just a false dialectic argument. Conspiracy and the corruption happening in our political and economic world are NOT happening because of some deep-seated emotional need or fears of mine or many of the others. We have actually done research and confirmed the fact of these corruptions. This very real corruption of our body politic is happening because ... they can ... and do. Peace, Kris Millegan On Sep 11, 2007, at 1:44 PM, shooter586 wrote: He is hardly a spook. A spook would have a very basic understanding of the topics they talk about. He is just the rambling type that needs to make everyone else fearful of his own inane fears. This way, he doesn't look like such an outcast. Also, why he is forced to post 24/7 from his bedroom. You will notice most of his lists are premade and pasted. He just posts them over and over again terying to get people to respond to him. He is very easily lead arounf by the neck and he can be made to do anything. Aski him a direct quesiton about 9-11 and he runs faster than Paul Watson from a lie detector. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], RoadsEnd roadsend@ wrote: Sean, why don't you answer the questions posed to you. You are a coward, without even have the courage of your convictions to post under your real name. And why do you demand so much information from people? Part of your spook job? You make lists that are incongruent and speciously tie people together because of their last names, trying to lead people by their own prejudices and ignorance. All to try to influence posters on a few, but very active, disassembling small-time Internet forums. What's the point, Sean? If you really believed what you post, Why would be spending your time here? Peace, Kris Millegan Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links
[cia-drugs] Re: [truthabout911] Re: Shooter's Expertise on Mideast Politics
Max, shooter wasn't debating 9/11. I declined. First off, let us think this out together. Would Sean sound like Berlet if he was? And Sean is a fake persona, he is whomever is at the keyboard. A fake persona truly has nothing invested except what they can stir up. There is no culpability ... or credibility. We are talking very important issues. I am a very real person, who has taken very public stands against very real corruption of our political and economic systems. You do not understand that by tainting the whole investigation into 9-11 with Israel did it, it makes Berlet's job easier? It gives Berlet the perfect foil. It is classic psychological warfare. Our hopes and fears are used all the time to manipulate our world. Peace, Kris Millegan On Sep 11, 2007, at 3:41 PM, Maxime wrote: Kris, As amusing as this has been on an otherwise depressing day... if you are not here to debate the events of 9/11 could you please take your vendetta elsewhere? After reading the official and unofficial takes on Berlet, I do not think either one sounds like Sean, nor can I figure why being paranoid about Israel would advance the cause of either version of Berlet. Although points for making Sean squirm... Namaste, Max (List Owner) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: RoadsEnd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cia-drugs Cia-drugs Cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Cc: RoadsEnd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [truthabout911] Re: Shooter's Expertise on Mideast Politics That's fine, say all you want. If you want to laugh and not read that's OK to, but it speaks volumes. And by what you have said here denotes that you know very little of what I say or my understandings. I just came here to expose John F. Berlet's use of Sean McBride, not to debate anonymouses over bullooney. Peace, Kris Millegan On Sep 11, 2007, at 3:03 PM, shooter586 wrote: Actually, your research is just as light-hearted as Sean's. I saw your webpage and laughed too hard to stay there. The fact that you CTistsd are fighting is like seeing the no- planers fight with other CTists. You are using arguments that have ZERO link to the scientific theory or method. You use terms that ouu know nothing about. You are pointing fingers at CIA and Mossad as if you have ANY knowledge of them. This is very typical with factions within each CT. I bet if I asked you to provide a single fact about the CIA's operations in the last decade, you will come up enpty. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], RoadsEnd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, Sean is a spook, make no mistake. There is method in his actions and ... results. That is why I step up and expose him. It is funny because you are using some of Berlet's own words against him, but it just a false dialectic argument. Conspiracy and the corruption happening in our political and economic world are NOT happening because of some deep-seated emotional need or fears of mine or many of the others. We have actually done research and confirmed the fact of these corruptions. This very real corruption of our body politic is happening because ... they can ... and do. Peace, Kris Millegan On Sep 11, 2007, at 1:44 PM, shooter586 wrote: He is hardly a spook. A spook would have a very basic understanding of the topics they talk about. He is just the rambling type that needs to make everyone else fearful of his own inane fears. This way, he doesn't look like such an outcast. Also, why he is forced to post 24/7 from his bedroom. You will notice most of his lists are premade and pasted. He just posts them over and over again terying to get people to respond to him. He is very easily lead arounf by the neck and he can be made to do anything. Aski him a direct quesiton about 9-11 and he runs faster than Paul Watson from a lie detector. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], RoadsEnd roadsend@ wrote: Sean, why don't you answer the questions posed to you. You are a coward, without even have the courage of your convictions to post under your real name. And why do you demand so much information from people? Part of your spook job? You make lists that are incongruent and speciously tie people together because of their last names, trying to lead people by their own prejudices and ignorance. All to try to influence posters on a few, but very active, disassembling small-time Internet forums. What's the point, Sean? If you really believed what you post, Why would be spending your time here? Peace, Kris Millegan Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.14/999 - Release Date: 9/10/2007 5:43 PM Yahoo! Groups Links
[cia-drugs] Re: [truthabout911] Internet Stalkers
Trying to pull your fat out of the fire? Now, I am a stalker? What has Sean McBride contributed to 9-11 research? Nothing but divisiveness, name-calling and the mantra of Israel did it. Some of my contributions directly to 9-11 research have been to host several email list, typeset, sell, get into Barnes Noble, Daniel Hopsicker's fine book Welcome to Terrorland. I took some of the video and did some of the interviews for Hopsicker's Mohammed Atta and the Venice Flying Service. I publish Fighting for G.O.D. (Gold, Oil and Drugs) which also documents the elite's crime of 9-11. Plus many other books that expose the criminal behavior and corruption within our body politic. I do not deny the influence of the Israeli lobby, never have, but you sir use rhetoric to create false dialectics. Again, Sean what have you done using a false name on the Internet? please state one valid accomplishment. Peace, Kris On Sep 11, 2007, at 5:21 PM, Sean McBride wrote: You came here because you are a delusional stalker and paranoid schizophrenic who feels a compulsion to discharge your mental illness. That's the beginning and end of it. You're contributions to 9/11 research have been worthless. In fact, I can't think of a single statement you have made on any subject which bears any connection to reality. RoadsEnd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's fine, say all you want. If you want to laugh and not read that's OK to, but it speaks volumes. And by what you have said here denotes that you know very little of what I say or my understandings. I just came here to expose John F. Berlet's use of Sean McBride, not to debate anonymouses over bullooney. Peace, Kris Millegan On Sep 11, 2007, at 3:03 PM, shooter586 wrote: Actually, your research is just as light-hearted as Sean's. I saw your webpage and laughed too hard to stay there. The fact that you CTistsd are fighting is like seeing the no- planers fight with other CTists. You are using arguments that have ZERO link to the scientific theory or method. You use terms that ouu know nothing about. You are pointing fingers at CIA and Mossad as if you have ANY knowledge of them. This is very typical with factions within each CT. I bet if I asked you to provide a single fact about the CIA's operations in the last decade, you will come up enpty. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], RoadsEnd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, Sean is a spook, make no mistake. There is method in his actions and ... results. That is why I step up and expose him. It is funny because you are using some of Berlet's own words against him, but it just a false dialectic argument. Conspiracy and the corruption happening in our political and economic world are NOT happening because of some deep-seated emotional need or fears of mine or many of the others. We have actually done research and confirmed the fact of these corruptions. This very real corruption of our body politic is happening because ... they can ... and do. Peace, Kris Millegan On Sep 11, 2007, at 1:44 PM, shooter586 wrote: He is hardly a spook. A spook would have a very basic understanding of the topics they talk about. He is just the rambling type that needs to make everyone else fearful of his own inane fears. This way, he doesn't look like such an outcast. Also, why he is forced to post 24/7 from his bedroom. You will notice most of his lists are premade and pasted. He just posts them over and over again terying to get people to respond to him. He is very easily lead arounf by the neck and he can be made to do anything. Aski him a direct quesiton about 9-11 and he runs faster than Paul Watson from a lie detector. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], RoadsEnd roadsend@ wrote: Sean, why don't you answer the questions posed to you. You are a coward, without even have the courage of your convictions to post under your real name. And why do you demand so much information from people? Part of your spook job? You make lists that are incongruent and speciously tie people together because of their last names, trying to lead people by their own prejudices and ignorance. All to try to influence posters on a few, but very active, disassembling small-time Internet forums. What's the point, Sean? If you really believed what you post, Why would be spending your time here? Peace, Kris Millegan Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links
[cia-drugs] Chipper Shredder
1) Cover a. Excuse aliasing by alleging mossad-neocon stalking. When a pro or his dufus is stalked or arrested or simply protesteth too much, keep your mind open to identify evidence of lightning rod method of accreditization/cover 2) Blind spots a. Saudi-funded Baker plan, four generations of Bush nazi(Sam and Prescott Bush backed Hitler from 1920's), obscene quid pro quo cui bono of oil profits not justified by decrease in or threat to supply, obscene quid pro quo cui bono two trillion dollars in weapons related profits on the **OTHERWISE** strategically unfounded Iraqwar. ARAMCO-CIA history. Hundred year US-Brit plan to restrain Iraq and Iran oil production, first by locking up exploration and never drilling, then by Iraq state oil monopoly (versus privatization) and OPEC quota system. Venice and Ghengis, Lord Cecil and Sax Goat Pergamos and Rocicrucians, Nathan Rothschild moved to England, Canadian Final Solution, British concentration camps in Boer War, Prescott Bush managed Robber Baron US plunder in Germany WW2 and started CIA. CIA and ARAMCO. 911 Porter Goss and Pak/Saudi intel and Lebanese heroin tribe(see Hopsicker and Les Coleman re Lebanes connect to CIA and airplane crashes Lockerbie and 911). 3) Mantra b. PNAC, neocons, benefit Israel, constantly harping that oil company janitors are unanimously indifferent to oil profits excused by war Neocons led us into Vietnam, neocons led us out of Vietnam, and neocons took a lot of blame for Vietnam. Heard of Vietnam lately? Neocons are painted on ladies and stand-off armor(firewalling) for nazis. Joseph Alsop, Ed Lansdale, deja vu. Nazi ratline, Max ratline; British nazi(Canadian Final Solution and Brit Boer war concentration camps) occupation of Palestine, succeeding 40 year Zionist occupation of Palestine and apartheid. Maybe Chipper Shredder thinks nazis have to be German, when all they have to be is Sax Goat Pergamite Jacobins and Mazzini gangers. You might find a lightning rod or a blind dog in a short history of weapons-mongering strategies of tension.
[cia-drugs] Re: [truthabout911] Internet Stalkers
Sean, you are splitting hairs here and then go for soft positions whenever anybody questions you. What are all your Israeli lobby lists about? What about the big fight between elite factions, where GHW is on one side and his son GW are on the other? You have stated that this fight is very real. And again, Sean you never answer questions. Why? And what have you done? Peace, Kris Millegan trineday.com On Sep 11, 2007, at 6:50 PM, Sean McBride wrote: More lies: I've repeatedly said that Israel DIDN'T do it. Israel doesn't control the American military-industrial complex, or NORAD, or the FBI, etc. A small faction within the Israeli government may have played in a role in 9/11 in combination with factions within the American, British and Australian governments (and perhaps even other governments -- Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc.) But all of this is unknown to date. We can only speculate about who controlled 9/11. Neocons are leading suspects, but neocons come from all over the ethnic and religious map. Most (probably all) neocons are militant Zionists in some sense, but quite a few of them are clearly using Israel and Zionists for their own non-Israeli and non- Jewish purposes. A few of them are probably antisemites. This discussion is going way over your head because you are unable to make fine distinctions on any subject. You never bothered to get an education, and the skills and discipline required to do real research. Instead you took a great deal of psychedelic drugs which have messed up what limited ability you had to work with in the first place. Now we behold the results. Not in Syd Barrett territory yet, but getting close. RoadsEnd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trying to pull your fat out of the fire? Now, I am a stalker? What has Sean McBride contributed to 9-11 research? Nothing but divisiveness, name-calling and the mantra of Israel did it. Some of my contributions directly to 9-11 research have been to host several email list, typeset, sell, get into Barnes Noble, Daniel Hopsicker's fine book Welcome to Terrorland. I took some of the video and did some of the interviews for Hopsicker's Mohammed Atta and the Venice Flying Service. I publish Fighting for G.O.D. (Gold, Oil and Drugs) which also documents the elite's crime of 9-11. Plus many other books that expose the criminal behavior and corruption within our body politic. I do not deny the influence of the Israeli lobby, never have, but you sir use rhetoric to create false dialectics. Again, Sean what have you done using a false name on the Internet? please state one valid accomplishment. Peace, Kris On Sep 11, 2007, at 5:21 PM, Sean McBride wrote: You came here because you are a delusional stalker and paranoid schizophrenic who feels a compulsion to discharge your mental illness. That's the beginning and end of it. You're contributions to 9/11 research have been worthless. In fact, I can't think of a single statement you have made on any subject which bears any connection to reality. RoadsEnd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's fine, say all you want. If you want to laugh and not read that's OK to, but it speaks volumes. And by what you have said here denotes that you know very little of what I say or my understandings. I just came here to expose John F. Berlet's use of Sean McBride, not to debate anonymouses over bullooney. Peace, Kris Millegan On Sep 11, 2007, at 3:03 PM, shooter586 wrote: Actually, your research is just as light-hearted as Sean's. I saw your webpage and laughed too hard to stay there. The fact that you CTistsd are fighting is like seeing the no- planers fight with other CTists. You are using arguments that have ZERO link to the scientific theory or method. You use terms that ouu know nothing about. You are pointing fingers at CIA and Mossad as if you have ANY knowledge of them. This is very typical with factions within each CT. I bet if I asked you to provide a single fact about the CIA's operations in the last decade, you will come up enpty. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], RoadsEnd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, Sean is a spook, make no mistake. There is method in his actions and ... results. That is why I step up and expose him. It is funny because you are using some of Berlet's own words against him, but it just a false dialectic argument. Conspiracy and the corruption happening in our political and economic world are NOT happening because of some deep-seated emotional need or fears of mine or many of the others. We have actually done research and confirmed the fact of these corruptions. This very real corruption of our body politic is happening because ... they can ... and do. Peace, Kris Millegan On Sep 11, 2007, at 1:44 PM, shooter586 wrote: He is hardly a spook. A spook would have a very basic understanding of the topics they talk about. He is just the rambling type that
