Stus-List Re: C 35 Mk 2 available

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Not near you, but Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum.

Joel



On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 7:06 PM David Kelly via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Looking for a little help on options.  My job is being relocated to Europe
> over the summer.  As a result, I am looking to sell or donate my C 35-2,
> hull #207.
>
> I reached out to Mass Maritime and one other place and received a “does
> not fit our program” reply.  Any suggestions are welcome.  I need to get
> serious, as my relocation has gone from a possibility to a reality over the
> last month.
>
> David Kelly
> Baraka, C 35-2
> Noroton, CT
>
> On May 20, 2024, at 2:19 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> I could buy that boat cheaper than repainting my boat, getting a Yanmar,
> and buying all that teak.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> *From:* Neil Gallagher via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, May 20, 2024 1:34 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Neil Gallagher 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I interior
>
>
>
> My boat has the same cabin sole, otherwise no where as much as all that on
> the topsides.  I certainly don't have teak and holly in the head!
>
> Neil Gallagher
> Weatherly, 35-1
> Glen Cove, NY
>
> On 5/20/2024 12:12 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Was this stock? I cannot recall seeing any other 35 with this much teak:
>
> https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1970-c$c-35-mk-i-9350708/
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina C 35 MK I
>
> Kent Island MD USA
>
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Stus-List Boat for sale

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Saw this.  Know nothing about it.

https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f152/1980-c-and-c-landfall-38-a-267005.html

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Standing Rigging

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

The best Dynemma rigging is found here:

https://www.colligomarine.com/products/standing-rigging

It is not the standard SK75 or 099 stuff.  It is heat set to
eliminate creep.

Joel

On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 11:49 AM John McCrea via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I had my rigging inspected last year, and the rod was fine. What was not
> was the wire headstay. I had that replaced.
>
>
>
> John McCrea
>
> 1979 36-1
>
> Talisman
>
> Mystic, CT
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, April 15, 2024 11:23 AM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Bill Coleman 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Standing Rigging
>
>
>
> I think you will find it is a fair amount more $$, for little gain.
> Probably have to change a lot of your attachments as well.
>
> I replaced my backstay (split) with Dyneema, only because that's what it
> was originally. After spending 4 grand on that, I wonder why I did it for
> the little weight savings, when I could have replaced it with rod myself
> for next to nothing.
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> Erie PA Entrada
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 9:51 AM Karl Erickson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Has anyone looked into replacing their standing rigging with Dyneema? I am
> in the process of replacing my lifelines with dyneema and have heard of
> boat owners that have replaced their standing rigging with it. Just curious.
>
>
>
> Karl Erickson
>
> 1978 C 34
>
> SeaBatical
>
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Standing Rigging

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

FWIW, in 2022 I used Rigging Only in Fairhaven Mass to make all new rigging
for my 49.   The total cost, with shipping, was around $15,000.

Joel

On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 9:24 AM Nathan Post via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Joe,
> It is a bit of a challenge to find a rigger who will do it  but you should
> be able to find someone who will inspect and re-head the original rod
> rigging  (North east rigging systems in MA did mine 4 years ago
> https://www.nerigging.com/). The rods will generally form cracks and fail
> at the ends where they are cold forged into a ball - thus cutting them
> slightly shorter and reheading should be nearly as good as new rods
> (fatigue of the rod itself is probably minimal). That is what I did and
> only one upper and the forestay which was wire and damaged anyway had to be
> replaced. That being said, it is probably only marginally cheaper than
> replacing it with cable rigging, not sure - in 2020 it came out to about
> $13000  to rehead the standing rigging including a new roller furler, new
> turnbuckles and other components, new custom SS mast through threaded rods
> (you end up breaking the old aluminum ones to get them out). However, I did
> keep the rod rigging which has both weight and stiffness advantages. Of
> course you could get all new rod but that is even more $$$.  You might be a
> bit far for North East Rigging Systems to travel in MD - but maybe give
> Kevin a call as he might know someone in your area who does that type of
> work.
>
> Nathan
> S/V Wisper
> C 34 KCB
> Portland ME
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 8:00 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I so need to move – that would probably cost $25,000 around here!
>>
>> Also I found out the rigging shops I called for a survey on that C 40 I
>> looked at would all fail the rigging without even seeing it due to age even
>> if it looked brand new. They were pretty sure they couldn’t do a proper
>> look without doing enough damage to make replacement needed after the
>> survey even if it wasn’t before ☹
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> Coquina
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* cenelson--- via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 14, 2024 9:02 AM
>> *To:* Stus-List 
>> *Cc:* sai...@comcast.net; cenel...@aol.com
>> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Standing Rigging
>>
>>
>>
>> I replaced it on my 1995 36 XL/kcb a few years ago. IIRC, total material
>> and labor and shipping was about $7000.
>>
>>
>>
>> This included the rigging and removal of old and installation of new.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Charlie Nelson
>>
>> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024, 8:29 AM, sail51--- via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have recent experience with replacing standing rigging on a
>> C 40 or 41 that could provide a rough estimate of cost to do and how was
>> cost broken down between materials and installation?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Stus-List Re: C 34+ with trailer

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Launch the boat. Empty trailer will be no problem!

Joel



On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 2:50 PM Jeff Nelson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Yeah, at 12k lbs, likely need at least 2 volvo's.
> or
> Sportchassis.com  would haul it with ease.
>
> Cheers,
>   Jeff Nelson
>   Muir Caileag
>   C 30 - 549
>   Armdale Y.C.
>
> On 2024-04-12 15:22, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote:
>
> https://delaware.craigslist.org/bod/d/wilmington-1990-cc-34/7729712631.html
>
>
>
> I have to say this is the first time I have seen a boat this size with a
> trailer. I am pretty sure my Volvo would get a hernia or something trying
> to tow it.
>
> I like the layout 
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina C 35 MK I
>
> Kent Island MD USA
>
>
>
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Bilge pump breaker issue

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

When you cut the wires for the pump, turn on the switch.  If there is a
short in the wires the breaker will trip.  Otherwise it is the pump.

On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 10:09 PM cenelson--- via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> My bilge pump breaker has recently started to disconnect immediately after
> being switched on.
>
> I suspect my rule pump has failed and developed a short to ground although
> it might be a wire that has either shorted or it might be the water witch
> float switch.
>
> My thought is to just replace the pump and see if that does it—I have an
> identical spare pump on board.
>
> BTW, I never rely on the float switch when away from the boat—so this
> breaker is always off unless I am on board.
>
> Other suggestions from listers are welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie Nelson
> C 36 XL/kcb
> Water Phantom
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Understanding Polars

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

That’s pretty amazing!

Joel



On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 8:11 PM Dreuge via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Just for the fun of it, I entered the text of your email into ChatGPT4.
>
>
> You:
> I have a set of polars for my C 34+ (below), but I am unsure of how to
> interpret the downwind data.  There is no information I have found on how
> the angles were determined.  I am interested in best angles for downwind
> work without a spinnaker going wing on wing with a whisker pole.  I am
> guessing the data is with a spinnaker and I am not sure if that matters.
> The issue is whether to go wing on wing direct to a mark and go a shorter
> distance vs. wing on wing or not on a lesser angle according to the polar
> chart.  I have tried to measure this on my boat and have not found a big
> enough difference to convince myself I should tack downwind.
>
> ChatGPT:
> Interpreting the downwind data from the polar diagrams of your C 34+
> requires understanding a few key points about these diagrams and how they
> relate to sailing without a spinnaker. Polar diagrams are typically
> generated with a spinnaker, especially for downwind angles, so the speeds
> shown might be higher than what you can achieve wing on wing with just a
> mainsail and a jib.
>
> Here’s how you can approach the interpretation and application of this
> data for wing on wing sailing without a spinnaker:
>
> Understand the Polar Diagram: The polar diagram shows boat speed at
> various wind speeds and angles. If the data is indeed with a spinnaker, the
> speeds at downwind angles will likely be optimistic for wing on wing
> sailing.
>
> Determine Best Angle for Wing on Wing: Without a spinnaker, your best
> downwind VMG (Velocity Made Good) might be at a different angle than what's
> optimal with a spinnaker. Wing on wing is most efficient when the wind is
> directly behind, but if the polar diagram suggests a slightly off-wind
> angle is faster, it may be due to the spinnaker's influence.
>
> Experiment and Record: Since you’ve mentioned not finding a significant
> difference in speeds when testing different angles, it’s essential to
> conduct more trials under various wind conditions and record your boat’s
> performance. Accurate and consistent data can help you understand your
> boat's behavior better.
>
> Consider the Course and Conditions: The choice between going straight
> downwind (wing on wing) or jibing downwind at angles suggested by the polar
> diagram also depends on the course and sea conditions. If the direct
> downwind route is shorter and the speed loss is minimal, it might be the
> better choice. However, if off-wind angles significantly increase speed,
> the extra distance might be worth it.
>
> Adjust for Non-Spinnaker Performance: Since the polar diagrams are likely
> based on spinnaker performance, you might need to adjust the expected boat
> speeds downwind. You can do this by reducing the speed values slightly or
> by using performance data from similar boats sailed without spinnakers.
>
> Software and Tools: Consider using sailing software that can adjust polar
> diagrams for different sail configurations. Some programs allow you to
> input your data and conditions to simulate the best course and sail setup.
>
> Ultimately, the decision to go directly downwind or jibe at angles
> according to the polar chart should be based on a combination of empirical
> data from your own experiences, the specifics of the course and conditions,
> and adjusted expectations from the polar diagrams. Continuous recording and
> analysis of your sailing data will help refine your strategy over time.
>
>
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C Landfall 38
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Fort Walton Beach, FL
>
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
>
> On Apr 5, 2024, at 3:18 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 2:44 PM Bill Coleman  wrote:
>
>> I anguish over this nearly every race, and one thing I can tell you is
>> that whichever choice you decide, you will wish you did the other!
>>
>> Bill Coleman
>> Erie, PA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 1:48 PM David Knecht via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a set of polars for my C 34+ (below), but I am unsure of how to
>>> interpret the downwind data.  There is no information I have found on how
>>> the angles were determined.  I am interested in best angles for downwind
>>> work without a spinnaker going wing on wing with a whisker pole.  I am
>>> guessing the data is with a spinnaker and I am not sure if that matters.
>>> The issue is whether to go wing on wing direct to a mark and go a shorter
>>> distance vs. wing on wing or not on a lesser angle according to the polar
>>> chart.  I have tried to measure this on my boat and have not found a big
>>> enough difference to convince myself I should tack downwind.  Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> S/V Aries
>>> 1990 C 34+
>>> New London, CT
>>>
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Stus-List Re: Hints on swapping winches?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Don’t use plywood. Aluminum or G10.

Joel



On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 8:24 PM Dean McNeill via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I'm about to finally replace my old 2 speed Barient 25 primary winches on
> my C 34, with Harken 46 Self tailing winches.
> Anyone have experience doing a similar swap? I fully expect I’ll need to
> fill old holes and drill new ones. And probably glass in aluminum or
> plywood backing plates.
>
> Any other hints and tips?
>
> Thanks, Dean
> BarraWind
> 1980 C 34
> Halifax, NS
>
>
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Stus-List Re: What are these

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Possibly water tight glands for different size wire?

Joel



On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 8:36 AM David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I was sorting through my miscellaneous box from the boat and came across
> these. Any idea what they are?  Dave
>
>
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Stus-List Offshore opportunities

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Greetings from St Martin!

We are cruising the Islands this winter before returning to Annapolis via
Bermuda.  We are looking for crew to join us on either the St Martin to
Bermuda leg late April or Bermuda Annapolis leg late May.
We are using Chris Parker for our weather routing, and will wait for a
reasonable window if necessary.
We cover on board costs but not flights.

Please contact me if interested.

Joel
S/v Rule One
Hylas 49

Former owner
The Office
35/3
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Stus-List Last minute offshore opportunity

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

One of my Bermuda crew has covid.  We are planning to leave Annapolis
Monday.  Contact me if interested.

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Stus-List Re: Cruising Gulf Coast

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

We will be at RHADC, but we can take a bus to St G.

On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 2:36 PM Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Will do. Where are going to be? I usually stay in St G but may go around
> to RBYC this time.
>
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/26+Beacon+Hill+Newport,+RI+USA+02840?entry=gmail=g>
> Newport, RI
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/26+Beacon+Hill+Newport,+RI+USA+02840?entry=gmail=g>
>
> USA 02840
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/26+Beacon+Hill+Newport,+RI+USA+02840?entry=gmail=g>
>
> +401 965 5260
> https://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>
>
>
> On Oct 18, 2023, at 14:05, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> We will be there until about the 10th. Let me know when you get there.
>
> Joel
>
> On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 1:23 PM Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> How long will you stay in Bermuda, Joel? I’m hoping to get out of Newport
>> on the 31st and head there.
>>
>> Andrew Burton
>> 26 Beacon Hill
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/26+Beacon+Hill+Newport,+RI+USA++02840?entry=gmail=g>
>> Newport, RI
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/26+Beacon+Hill+Newport,+RI+USA++02840?entry=gmail=g>
>>
>> USA
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/26+Beacon+Hill+Newport,+RI+USA++02840?entry=gmail=g>
>>  02840
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/26+Beacon+Hill+Newport,+RI+USA++02840?entry=gmail=g>
>>
>> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>> +401 965-5260
>>
>> On Oct 18, 2023, at 12:39, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Sounds like fun!
>>
>> We are planning to leave for Bermuda Monday.  After a stop over, we head
>> to the Carib for the winter before returning to Bermuda in April to
>> hopefully stage a Med crossing mid May.
>>
>> Joel
>> Hylas 49
>> Rule One
>> Former owner The Office C 35/3
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 12:17 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That's inspiring.
>>>
>>> I am considering racing to Baltimore this Saturday, but the weather
>>> looks shitty;  winds on the nose, 14 to 25 knots, and rainy, temps 57 to 65
>>> for a four to five hour long race.  I'll probably work inside the cabin on
>>> projects and daysail if the sun comes out.
>>>
>>> Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R, Magothy River, near Annapolis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/18/2023 11:16 AM EDT Dennis C. via CnC-List 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Getting underway in the morning for 11 days of cruising to Pensacola and
>>> back.  Weather looks good.  Initial itinerary is:
>>>
>>> Gulfport, MS
>>> Pelican Cove on south side of Dauphin Island, AL
>>> Big Lagoon near Pensacola, FL
>>> Navarre Beach, FL
>>> Pensacola area for 2-4 days
>>> Head home
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>>> Mandeville, LA
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>>
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Stus-List Re: Cruising Gulf Coast

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

We will be there until about the 10th. Let me know when you get there.

Joel

On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 1:23 PM Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> How long will you stay in Bermuda, Joel? I’m hoping to get out of Newport
> on the 31st and head there.
>
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/26+Beacon+Hill+Newport,+RI+USA++02840?entry=gmail=g>
> Newport, RI
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>
> USA
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/26+Beacon+Hill+Newport,+RI+USA++02840?entry=gmail=g>
>  02840
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>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
> On Oct 18, 2023, at 12:39, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Sounds like fun!
>
> We are planning to leave for Bermuda Monday.  After a stop over, we head
> to the Carib for the winter before returning to Bermuda in April to
> hopefully stage a Med crossing mid May.
>
> Joel
> Hylas 49
> Rule One
> Former owner The Office C 35/3
>
> On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 12:17 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> That's inspiring.
>>
>> I am considering racing to Baltimore this Saturday, but the weather looks
>> shitty;  winds on the nose, 14 to 25 knots, and rainy, temps 57 to 65 for a
>> four to five hour long race.  I'll probably work inside the cabin on
>> projects and daysail if the sun comes out.
>>
>> Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R, Magothy River, near Annapolis
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/18/2023 11:16 AM EDT Dennis C. via CnC-List 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Getting underway in the morning for 11 days of cruising to Pensacola and
>> back.  Weather looks good.  Initial itinerary is:
>>
>> Gulfport, MS
>> Pelican Cove on south side of Dauphin Island, AL
>> Big Lagoon near Pensacola, FL
>> Navarre Beach, FL
>> Pensacola area for 2-4 days
>> Head home
>>
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>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
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>
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Stus-List Re: Cruising Gulf Coast

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Sounds like fun!

We are planning to leave for Bermuda Monday.  After a stop over, we head to
the Carib for the winter before returning to Bermuda in April to hopefully
stage a Med crossing mid May.

Joel
Hylas 49
Rule One
Former owner The Office C 35/3

On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 12:17 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> That's inspiring.
>
> I am considering racing to Baltimore this Saturday, but the weather looks
> shitty;  winds on the nose, 14 to 25 knots, and rainy, temps 57 to 65 for a
> four to five hour long race.  I'll probably work inside the cabin on
> projects and daysail if the sun comes out.
>
> Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R, Magothy River, near Annapolis
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/18/2023 11:16 AM EDT Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>
> Getting underway in the morning for 11 days of cruising to Pensacola and
> back.  Weather looks good.  Initial itinerary is:
>
> Gulfport, MS
> Pelican Cove on south side of Dauphin Island, AL
> Big Lagoon near Pensacola, FL
> Navarre Beach, FL
> Pensacola area for 2-4 days
> Head home
>
> --
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Sizing an inverter

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

We have an old fashioned electric percolater we run off the inverter.  It
draws abut 75 amps for 3-4 minutes, so not much worse than the hair dryer.

Joel

On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 9:10 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> You can, you just have to think it through.
>
> My wife can dry her hair, that draws about 50 amps for 5 minutes or so. I
> can’t run my cabin heater at 500 or 1000 watts off the battery, it would
> run the battery dead before the boat got very warm. Given most of our C
> were designed to be relatively light boats without huge battery banks, we
> are mostly a poor fit for trying to use high-draw AC house appliances
> running off of batteries. I use an AC vacuum and an AC coffee grinder, but
> I don’t try and use an electric coffee pot. Using the stove is far more
> efficient as far as turning fuel into hot water.
>
> What is it you want to run on the boat?
>
>
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Richard Bush via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 18, 2023 8:56 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Richard Bush 
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Sizing an inverter
>
>
>
> Paul, If I understand your point, it is that we shouldn't be relying on
> battery power for any appliances or coffee pots...etc.; is there any
> alternative that doesn't involve solar? thanks!
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584:
>
> Richard N. Bush Law Offices
>
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
>
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220
>
> (502) 584-7255
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 07:12:19 AM EDT, Dreuge via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Chuck,
>
>
>
> First off,  12V * 100 A*hr = 1200 W*hr.  But keep in mind that A*hr
> battery ratings for a 100 A*hr battery is tested typical at 5 amps(or
> 0.05C).  That is your 100 A*hr is 5A * 20hr. At this rate the battery is
> only providing 12.5V * 5A = 63 Watts.At higher current loads, your
> effective battery capacity will be much much less  due to Peuket Effect
> losses.   In fact, a 100 A*hr rated lead-acid battery at 100 amp load would
> only provide about 20 A*hr of energy(and lots of heat).  To add to the
> insult, lead acid based batteries like AGM should not be depleted below
> 50% capacity to limit damage, so reserving 1 battery for start leaves only
> 50 A*hr for your house bank at loads of about 5 amps.At a 20A load, the
> 100 A*hr (50 A*hr effective) only provides 60 A*hr (30 A*hr effective).
> That’s about 30 A*hr / 20A = 1.5 hrs of use.
>
>
>
> A 1000 W inverter could draw a max of 1000W / 12.5V = 80 Amps (but likely
> higher due to a voltage drop).  This would drain your battery in 6 - 10
> minutes.
>
>
>
> I gave a talk to some local Hams about Solar Off-Grid Systems.  I posted
> the slides on my blog (see link below).On slides 5 & 6, I discuss
> battery discharge capacity and bank sizes.
>
>
>
>
>
> https://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/2021/10/solar-off-grid-system.html
>
>
>
>
>
>  On Johanna Rose, I have a 2000W inverter charger.  When I run my
> microwave, it draws about 100A from a 560 A*hr  LiFePO4 battery.   Like
> Dennis, I have my inverter connected to my panel powering all AC loads
> except for my A/C unit and water heater.   The inverter has a built in
> transfer switch which automatically (and smoothly) transfers to shore power
> when available.
>
>
>
> -
> Paul E.
>
> 1981 C Landfall 38
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Fort Walton Beach, FL
>
>
>
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
> On Oct 17, 2023, at 7:27 PM,  via CnC-List  wrote:
>
>
>
> OK, an DC/AC Pure Sine Wave inverter looks attractive
>
>
>
> I've heard some boats have 1000 watt, some 2000watt and some 3000 or more.
>
> What size inverter is right for a boat equipped with two 100Ah AGM
> batteries?
>
> One battery provides 12v x 100ah: 1200watts.  My system can provide 2400
> watts but I usually reserve one battery to restart the engine and run on
> the other battery.  Does the inverter get fed from a bus common to both
> batteries, or to the selector switch marked, "Off, 1, both, 2"?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chuck S
>
>
>
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Everyone ready for Ophelia?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

We left Cape May yesterday so we can get home this afternoon.
Stay safe!

On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 11:38 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> This storm kind of snuck up on me, I am running around doing stuff right
> now. First off was to get the Whaler out of the water, she sits stern-to
> the opening to the marina that faces northeast, right where the wind is
> coming from.
>
> Last one of these we left it too late and had to reverse into waves
> breaking across the engine. Do not recommend!
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
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Stus-List Re: Long Island sound

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

You guys are the best!

We stay at Mystic Seaport when in Mystic.  Not the cheapest, but its one of
our favorite spots despite having to deal with the bridges.  I'll check out
the recommendations so we have some options.

Joel

On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 2:13 PM David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Joel- I second most of those suggestions with some amendments.  Watch
> Hill is very nice but it is a very long motor through a narrow winding
> passage to get there. You have to be very careful navigating it.  Lovely
> spot once you do.  I would do that only if time is not an issue.  If you
> are thinking of going up the CT river, Hamburg Cove is reputed to be one of
> the nicest spots on the CT coast.   I have only been there by bicycle, but
> it is a great biking area and looks lovely.  Depending on your timing,
> North Cove near the entrance to the CT River in Old Saybrook is a nice spot
> where you can pick up any free mooring.  Not much nearby, however, but
> great people at North Cove YC if you have privileges.   Of course, I have
> to suggest New London for its cheap moorings and great people at TYC, good
> anchorages nearby, as well as Coast Guard square rigger, periodic
> submarines, good restaurants and lively music and art scene.  Down side is
> ferry wakes from 6AM until midnight.  Dave
>
> David Knecht
> Rear Commodore
> Thames Yacht Club
> New London, CT
>
>
>
> On Aug 29, 2023, at 1:38 PM, John McCrea via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Joel,
>
> Hello. We have lived in Mystic for the past 25 years and love cruising in
> Fishers and Long Island Sounds. Here are some of our Favorites:
>
>
>1. Watch Hill and Napatree Point- Anchorage or Watch Hill YC moorings
>inside and the area’s best beach on the other side. You can dinghy into the
>beach and walk over to the ocean side or you can go into the town and if
>you have reciprocal use the club dock or there is a town dinghy dock as
>well.
>2. West Harbor Fishers Island-amazing anchorage or let me know in
>advance and I may be able to get you use of a mooring.
>3. Montauk- once inside the Montauk Lake it is amazing-great
>anchorage-great seafood restaurants on both sides of the harbor entrance.
>Bus ride will bring you out to the lighthouse on the point with great 
> beach.
>4. 3 Mile -Great half way point when going from Montauk to Shelter,
>nice anchorage with great restaurants and an easy uber to East Hampton if
>you want to visit the town
>5. West Neck/Coecles Harbor-Shelter- two great anchorages that we
>love. West Neck has a great restaurant called Salt with an outside tiki
>bar. Coecles has the Rams Head Inn that is nice spot to dinghy into for a
>cocktail.
>6. Deering Harbor on Shelter-numerous sources for moorings including
>Shelter Island YC. Nice little town and a two minute ferry ride gets you
>over to Greenport which is a large town, with super market etc.
>
>
> Feel free to send any questions! And if you need dockage in Mystic, I am
> the dock master at Ram Island YC in Noank, on the Mystic River.
>
> John McCrea
> Talisman
> 1979 36-1
> Mystic, CT
>
> *From:* Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 29, 2023 11:54 AM
> *To:* cnc-list 
> *Cc:* Joel Aronson 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Long Island sound
>
> We will be travelling from Mystic through LIS next month.Are there any
> 'must see' places between Mystic and Port Washington on either shore?
>
> --
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>
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Stus-List Long Island sound

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

We will be travelling from Mystic through LIS next month.Are there any
'must see' places between Mystic and Port Washington on either shore?

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Stus-List Re: Crew needed

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

No we are members of RHADC. We go to St G to dine at Wahoo!

On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 1:49 PM Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> See you in Bermuda. Are you staying in St G?
>
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> Newport, RI
> USA 02840
>
> +401 965 5260
> https://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>
>
>
> On Aug 20, 2023, at 12:31, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> We are sailing from Annapolis to Bermuda on our Hylas 49 leaving
> approximately October 23. After about a week in Bermuda we head to St John.
> We have openings for both legs. We pay for provisions and docking.
>
> Please let me know if you are interested.
>
> Joel
> S/v Rule One
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Stus-List Crew needed

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

We are sailing from Annapolis to Bermuda on our Hylas 49 leaving
approximately October 23. After about a week in Bermuda we head to St John.
We have openings for both legs. We pay for provisions and docking.

Please let me know if you are interested.

Joel
S/v Rule One
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Stus-List Re: Lithium battery source in USA?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Dave,

I purchased batteries from lythbattery.com in China.  No complaints!

Check your insurance policy to make sure the batteries are not excluded
before you invest the money.

Joel

On Mon, Aug 14, 2023 at 10:33 AM Dave S via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Hello all,
> Looking to upgrade my new boat from agm to lithium and am wondering if
> anyone can recommend a source (industrial?) for LiFePo batteries.  Thanks!
> Dave ex- 33-2 Windstar
> Now alubat OVNI 435 Sakura
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Bottom paint- Pettit Black Widow

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

FWIW, on the Chesapeake, their Trinidad SR is the first choice.

Joel

On Wed, Aug 9, 2023 at 9:21 AM Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks, David. That’s good to know.
>
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
> > On Aug 9, 2023, at 08:49, David Knecht via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > I had my boat painted with Pettit Black Widow this spring after hearing
> some positive comments about it from members of this list.  I wanted to
> report back to others considering it that my diver says my boat has had the
> cleanest bottom in the mooring field all season.  He has dropped the
> cleaning frequency from every 2 weeks to every 3 weeks and still has very
> little cleaning to do even with that.  He is now convinced and telling
> other owners how good that paint is (in our area at least).  Dave
> >
> > David Knecht
> > Rear Commodore
> > Thames Yacht Club
> > New London, CT
> >
> >
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Stus-List Re: Bilge blower & pumps

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

no experience but I've been told by Fawcett Marine they are junk.

Joel

On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 2:23 PM Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have a question for the group. Does anyone have experience with the
> Seaflo brand of bilge blowers or pumps? I need to replace a blower and add
> both. To my boats.
>
> Douglas Mountjoy
> 1988 C LF 39
> Mexico at large
> 1984 Sabre 34
> Port Orchard, WA
>
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Stus-List Re: Bilge Pump Replacement

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Jabsco diaphragm pumps

On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 8:34 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> What brands and models of bilge pumps have input hose connections?  All
> the Rule bilge pumps I’ve seen are designed to sit their bottoms in the
> bilge, with no input hose connection.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy
>
> > On Jun 27, 2023, at 4:48 PM, Josh via CnC-List 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> https://www.marineengine.com/boat-accessories/plumbing/gulper-320-shower-bilge-waste-pump-whale-water-systems.php?msclkid=c321d1f6c67411f652dcb56da39db79b
> >
> > The actual pump doesn't need to be in the bilge, just the end of the
> suction hose.  I have mine mounted on wood pads I epoxied to the hull under
> the floor boards.  5 GPM.  It will run dry and dry prime.  It will also
> pass trash like paper pulp and bilge mung.
> >
> > Josh Muckley
> > S/V Sea Hawk
> > 1989 C 37+
> > Solomons, MD
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Stus-List Re: Engine strangeness

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Dave,

Start with the fuel tank.  Look for crud in the tank and in the screen for
the fuel pick up.  Check every hose clamp in the system. Be sure the
overflow outlet is not plugged.  Be sure top of Racor is seated properly
and vacuum gauge is tight.  Change the filters just for peace of mind.

Two stories - Racing on a friend's boat.  One the way to the start, engine
stalled.  EVERY hose clamp on the fuel system was loose.  Tightened, bled
and made the start.
My genset would start and die. Followed my advice..  Found loose hose barb,
bad hose, bad clamp, then finally found the problem - the bleed screw was
the loose.

Good luck!
Joel


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On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 12:46 PM David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> So I am back to my engine problem hoping someone can help clarify things.
> I have had the engine quit several more times, but with no consistency as
> to when or why it happens. We were on a cruise recently and used it often
> and for long periods going in and out of harbors.  Mostly it worked fine
> but had it stall several times: start and run for a few minutes, then
> stall, restart then stall, restart then stall, then run fine for 20 min or
> more.  This happened in two separate situations a few days apart but no
> stall several other times.  In all cases, it has eventually restarted and
> ran for extended periods.  These intermittent problems are the hardest to
> diagnose in my experience.  This seems most likely to be a fuel related
> issue so now I am trying to fully understand the fuel system.
>
> I installed a Racor 500 unit last summer with a T-handle vacuum gauge on
> top.  Fuel goes from the tank, through the shutoff lever to the Racor, then
> to the fuel pump, then to the secondary and on to the engine.  If I
> understand this correctly, the gauge on the Racor unit will measure
> restriction in the fuel flow upstream of the gauge, ie the primary (30 µm
> in my case). I know the gauge works because if you partially shut off
> the fuel lever, you see the gauge gradually increase in vacuum reading.
> But it seems that it will not tell you if the secondary is plugged.
>
> 1. I don’t see how the secondary (10 µm in my case) could be plugged if
> the primary is fine but I guess not impossible.   My temptation is to
> replace the secondary since the primary is not showing any sign of being
> plugged (from the gauge), but I don’t see how this could lead to an
> infrequent intermittent stall.
> 2.  Fuel pump problem (loose wire etc.)?  You can hear the fuel pump
> running when the engine is off and I have never heard it stop or pause.
> Can fuel pumps fail like this?  Can that lead to an intermittent stall?
> 3.  Air getting into fuel line- seems possible, but I don’t see how that
> can be the cause if the engine runs for an hour continuously once restarted.
>
> Any ideas welcome!  Dave
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
>
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Stus-List Re: Bermuda 1-2

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Sail fast and safe!

Joel

On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 9:55 AM John McCrea via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> If interested I am racing in the Bermuda 1-2 return leg. We start this
> morning. I am on a Morris Justine 36. Fleet winner on corrected time on leg
> one. This my 7th return leg since 1989. Lots of C’s over years but none
> this time. Lols like a fast reach home not far off the western side of the
> rhumbline. Tracker is available on the website.
>
> John McCrea
> Talisman
> 1979 36-1
> Mystic, CT
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Stus-List Re: Force 10 Stove

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Even if it is the correct width, the pivot point may need to be moved.  Not
a big deal if you measure first.  (I didn't, so I had to wrestle the stove
twice)


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On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 9:20 AM Chris Riedinger via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Just swapped an older force10 for a newer one in our 37/40+
>
> I found out the tightest measurement most have is the companionway - check
> that in addition to the hole the stove needs to go into
>
> Best of luck
>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2023, 6:15 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Does the standard American size Force 10 3-burner stove fit the C 35 MK
>> I?
>>
>> I would assume it does, but want to check.
>>
>> I am thinking of going from CNG to propane, CNG is very hard to source
>> now in most places.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Joe Della Barba*
>>
>> *DCSI*
>>
>> *410-966-7255*
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Stus-List Re: Engine strangeness

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

David,

Crud in fuel pick-up?  You may have sucked it through.  Or not!

Joel

On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 10:22 AM David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I am out for the first time this season. Engine started right up. Motored
> out of harbor for two hours. Turned engine off for a while waiting for
> wind. Started back up. Ran for 15-30 sec and died. Started up and ran for a
> bit longer then died. Pulled bed to get access and fuel pressure and level
> in racor look fine. Started up and ran fine for 40 min. WTF?  Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Stus-List Fall offshore passages

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I hope everyone is having a good sailing season!

My wife and I are sailing Rule One, our Hylas 49, from Annapolis/Norfolk to
Bermuda and then St. John starting in late October.  We could use one or
two more crew to join us for each leg.  Tentative dates are October 23 from
Annapolis and November 4 from Bermuda.

In the year and a half since we've owned her, we have replaced all rigging,
sails, sanitation hose, and electronics, added a watermaker, rebedded
portlights and portholes, upgraded electrical systems.  She is equipped
with a raft, EPIRB, SSB.

If you are interested in joining us please email me at
joel.aron...@gmail.com.

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formerly
C 35/3 The Office
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Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Shawn,

There is one in day charter near me in the summer (near Annapolis) and in
the islands in the winter.  I wonder if it is the same boat. Owner is
Australian if I recall correctly.  It looks a lot like a Hylas 44.   It
seemed to be in good condition looking at it from the dock and seeing it
sail by.  I think the main was pretty old.Never raced against it as we were
always going in opposite directions.

Joel

On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 12:39 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> After years and many models considered for an offshore boat, a Landfall 43
> has come along which seems to tick most of the boxes, and at a price we can
> afford. Most of the boats I really like are way out of our price range
> (Hylas, Passport, Tayana, etc)
>
> So I am hoping to hear from those with direct experience with the Landfall
> 43 in terms of what to watch for, how they sail (I know it won't be like
> our 35-2!), etc. The cored hull does make me a bit nervous, and the boat is
> on the wrong coast, so a good survey will be needed. It has the original
> Westerbeke 58 with about 5k hours that looks clean. I think this is the
> same block as a Perkins 4-154. Pretty basic sailing setup, two mainsheets,
> instead of traveller, cutter stay rigged but not used, not sure about
> running backs. I would want a furler for the cutter stay, which means
> running backs are probably needed. Interior looks pretty good, although
> there are signs of water damage, mostly at the floor level on the starboard
> side which seems odd. I would think if the boat had been flooded, the sole
> would be shot, but maybe it was replaced.
>
> We haven't made an offer yet, but might do so after talking further with
> the owners. It's currently cruising in the Bahamas and will be available
> next month in Florida. Yes, this is the one posted on the C FB group
> yesterday, asking 49K USD. That price doesn't get us anything close in any
> other boat, although might get us a Landfall 38, which is probably our next
> choice.
>
> Thanks!
> --
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> shawngwri...@gmail.com
> S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
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Stus-List Re: Chandleries

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

and BOE Marine and the GPS Store for electronics.

On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 11:53 AM Joel Aronson 
wrote:

> Fawcett Boat in Annapolis is always less than West and has free shipping
> on most orders over $99.  They also have more sailing gear than the local
> West.  I use a Port Supply discount at West.  It varies from 5% to 60%
> depending on the item.
>
> Joel
>
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 11:39 AM Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>> Over the past several years I have found that Wholesale Marine is the
>> lowest price for bottom paint.
>>
>> https://www.wholesalemarine.com/
>>
>> They typically have a paint sale or rebate offer right about now.  I see
>> that VC17 is on sale now.
>>
>> Otherwise, I look around and have used a number of different online
>> retailers.  The retailer depends on what I am looking for.
>>
>> I haven't purchased anything from Defender in quite a while, but used
>> to.  Didn't know they were acquired -- explains the prices.  I purchase
>> from West only when I need something quick or want to put my hands on it to
>> examine before purchase.  Turned out the new fuel tank I put in last year
>> was offered  lowest price at West.  Never know. There is a store near me.
>>
>> Jeff Laman
>> 81 C "Harmony"
>> Ludington, MI
>> --
>> *From:* Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 10, 2023 11:27 AM
>> *To:* Stus-List 
>> *Cc:* Bill Coleman 
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Chandleries
>>
>> Most people I talk to are disappointed at the direction Defender has been
>> going after being purchased by a Hedge Fund, or whomever, and West has been
>> pretty pricey since Randy Repass left years ago, and now that doesn't look
>> too good -
>>
>> <> 
>> Rising Tide Holdings to SD, which means selective default. “We view the
>> transaction as tantamount to a default because creditors will receive less
>> value than originally promised, and we view the exchange as distressed,”
>> S wrote.>>
>>
>> I guess Rising Tides, dba West Marine, is ebbing.
>>
>> Does anyone  have any favorites for Parts, like BOE Marine, Go2Marine,
>> etc?  I can't find my bottom paint for less than $395 A Gallon. Even
>> Fishermen's supply is not that great anymore.
>>
>> Bill Coleman
>> Entrada Erie, PA
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>
>
> --
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>
>

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Stus-List Re: Chandleries

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Fawcett Boat in Annapolis is always less than West and has free shipping on
most orders over $99.  They also have more sailing gear than the local
West.  I use a Port Supply discount at West.  It varies from 5% to 60%
depending on the item.

Joel

On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 11:39 AM Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Bill,
> Over the past several years I have found that Wholesale Marine is the
> lowest price for bottom paint.
>
> https://www.wholesalemarine.com/
>
> They typically have a paint sale or rebate offer right about now.  I see
> that VC17 is on sale now.
>
> Otherwise, I look around and have used a number of different online
> retailers.  The retailer depends on what I am looking for.
>
> I haven't purchased anything from Defender in quite a while, but used to.
> Didn't know they were acquired -- explains the prices.  I purchase from
> West only when I need something quick or want to put my hands on it to
> examine before purchase.  Turned out the new fuel tank I put in last year
> was offered  lowest price at West.  Never know. There is a store near me.
>
> Jeff Laman
> 81 C "Harmony"
> Ludington, MI
> --
> *From:* Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Friday, March 10, 2023 11:27 AM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Bill Coleman 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Chandleries
>
> Most people I talk to are disappointed at the direction Defender has been
> going after being purchased by a Hedge Fund, or whomever, and West has been
> pretty pricey since Randy Repass left years ago, and now that doesn't look
> too good -
>
> < 
> Rising Tide Holdings to SD, which means selective default. “We view the
> transaction as tantamount to a default because creditors will receive less
> value than originally promised, and we view the exchange as distressed,”
> S wrote.>>
>
> I guess Rising Tides, dba West Marine, is ebbing.
>
> Does anyone  have any favorites for Parts, like BOE Marine, Go2Marine,
> etc?  I can't find my bottom paint for less than $395 A Gallon. Even
> Fishermen's supply is not that great anymore.
>
> Bill Coleman
> Entrada Erie, PA
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Stus-List Re: Motor Mounts

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Or a heli-coil

Joel

On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 8:11 AM Rob Hamlin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks Jeff that was my other question, what’s under the fiberglass.
>
> Yes I was able to get the bolts out.  Good thought on retapping and larger
> size.
>
> -Rob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 10, 2023, at 7:43 AM, Jeff Nelson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well that's going to be fun.  Have you been able to take the old bolts
> out, and is it possible to tap a new thread
> > next size up?  That would be easiest solution.  Otherwise, Major
> re-construction in your future, I see.
> > Good news, If yours is like my 30, it is a big mass of fiberglass topped
> with a steel plate.  Maybe you could wap
> > it with a new steel plate and through drill it from the sides to secure
> it.  Otherwise grinder and lots of new
> > fiberglass.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >  Jeff Nelson
> >  Muir Caileag
> >  C 30 - 549
> >  Armdale Y.C.
> >
> >> On 2023-03-10 06:17, Rob Hamlin via CnC-List wrote:
> >> Hi
> >> I’m replacing the motor mounts C 37+, Yanmar 3HM35F motor.
> >>
> >> Removed the two back mounts, looks like they are held in by machine
> bolts into bed.  The front two bolts holding each mount were stripped.
> >>
> >> Question, anyone else came across this? thoughts on solution to
> re-fasten/bed the bolts.
> >>
> >> -Rob
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Stus-List Re: Racing at night

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

We did one race with motion detector lights on the toilet bowls!

Joel

On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 11:59 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I’ll repeat my night racing advice – toss a glowstick in the icebox. This
> stops people turning on the cabin lights to read the labels on the beer
> cans and blinding the on-deck crew 
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina C 35 MK I
>
> Kent Island MD USA
>
>
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Racing at night

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Of course, you can't see the red telltale with a red light.
Some of my crew (me) likes having a small flashlight mounted to light up
the telltales.  Others prefer the wind instrument.  Sailing by feel is
important either way.  If the wind is steady, keep the angle of heel
constant.

Joel

On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 11:40 AM Doug via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I don't race at night, but I do sail all night now and then. I use my wind
> instruments,  windex, masthead light, and also have a D-cell red lens led
> flashlight. Usually a luffing sail is an indication that I need to do
> something with the sail.
>
>
>
> Doug Mountjoy
> sv Rebecca Leah
> C & C Landfall 39
> Port Orchard Yacht Club
> +1 253-208-1412 WhatsApp
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
> Date: 2/26/23 11:01 (GMT-06:00)
> To: CnC CnC discussion list 
> Cc: David Knecht 
> Subject: Stus-List Racing at night
>
> I just read an interesting article in Practical Sailor on red vs. white
> lights and night vision.  It reminded me to ask a question of those more
> experienced about night racing.  I have only done this a few times and
> found upwind steering at night to be a real challenge.  I normally steer by
> the genoa telltales.  In light, shifting winds which we inevitably
> encounter at the darkest hours, it is especially important to steer well to
> keep the boat moving, but it is hard.   We used a hand held spotlight to
> periodically check the telltales, but that destroys night vision.  Are
> there better solutions?  Thanks- Dave
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Boatless again

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Length of the boat is not the only factor in maneuverability.  My Hylas 44
had a fairly short keel and a 3 blade max prop.  It would only back to
port.  My 49 has a much longer keel and a Gori prop and can be backed in
either direction easily.
This is not an indictment of the Max, its just how it worked on that boat.
Never had a bow thruster.  I've seen people try to use both the wheel and
the thruster.  Usually not pretty!  Andy's method is probably much more
successful.
Joel

On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 10:33 AM Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I think all Oysters have bow thrusters; good ones, too. When backing into
> a slip, I center the helm and use the thruster to steer the boat.
> Andy
>
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
> On Feb 23, 2023, at 10:04, David Risch via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Danny,
>
>
>
> I may be preaching to the choir here and you may have already thought of
> this but Oyster 47 handling vs. Tartan 40 handling is a different order of
> magnitude in close maneuvering.   Not the size per se, but the weight.  A
> thrusting bow may something to look for.
>
>
>
> *From:* Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2023 8:43 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Danny Haughey 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Boatless again
>
>
>
> I was lust looking at a local Oyster 47 listing.  I Really like how it
> looks!  Ticks a lot of boxes!  If I can stay away from the newer flat
> bottoms, I would be really happy!  I got to keep the admiral happy
> though...  She did find a Trinella that looks really nice, it a Ron Holland
> design.  So, there is hope!
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Andrew Burton 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2023 15:00:40 -0500
>
> Hi Danny,
> I think an Oyster 47 might check those boxes. Good-sailing, we’ll-built
> boat and very comfy. I made fairly quick passages to Antigua and back on
> one a few years ago.
> If you need to be more performance-oriented, there’s a sister to
> Masquerade (Baltic 47) around that I bet will be on the market some day in
> the not too distant future.
> Cheers
> Andy
>
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
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Stus-List Re: Boatless again

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Danny,
C 43?
Hylas 46/49/54/56 (no separate shower on the 49)
Outbound 46 (hard to find)
Bristol (older)

Good luck with the search!
Joel

On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 1:42 PM Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> So, We sold Rum Runner IV and we're going to start the process for our
> next boat.
> I'm not really sure who said that selling a boat is typically a happy day
> for a boater.  This is our 3rd sailboat sold, and we've been sad to see
> each of them go.
> We'd been discussing going to something a bit more modern, with more
> room.  So, as the boat was in really great condition, I thought I would
> list it and see if anyone was interested.
> I've bee eyeing center cockpit designs.  Some of our desired features are,
> about 45 - 50 feet,
> at least a sugar scoop transom if not walk thru,
> larger cockpit (as most of our time, on board, is spent there)
> lighter, brighter interior,
> a good sized head with separate shower
> a nice master suite with an island berth
>
> Anyway, if anyone knows of any vessels we might want to check out, let me
> know!
>
> Danny
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Stus-List Re: Limber Holes

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Dremel with a flex shaft to lower the holes?

Joel

On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 10:50 AM Matt Wolford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Chuck.  I’m good about keeping a reasonably dry bilge.  In
> addition, because I’m at a dock with electricity, I keep a dehumidifier on
> board as well as fan to constantly circulate air.  I rarely encounter a
> mold issue.  However, I do have small puddles of sitting water just above
> the limber holes in concealed areas (below the floorboards).  If water
> doesn’t drain through the limber hole, it never reaches the bilge.  That’s
> the problem I’m trying to solve.
>
>
>
> *From:* CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2023 10:10 AM
> *To:* Stus-List ; Ronald B. Frerker <
> rbfrer...@yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* Martin DeYoung ; wolf...@erie.net
> *Subject:* Limber Holes
>
>
>
> The limber holes on my boat have the same problem.They probably
> couldn't make the holes any lower because the drill body drill chuck would
> hit the floor before the drill bit.   I found a clean bilge makes the boat
> smell fresh, so I wet/vac the bilge periodically to stay ahead of
> problems.  I keep a small 5gallon wet/vac in a dockbox and do this every
> few months and it makes a big difference, reducing bilge odor and mold in
> the cabin, takes less than twenty minutes.
>
>
>
> FWIW, Here's a video showing how another owner added slope to improve
> drainage in a chainlocker.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqAf1gIK9r0
>
>
>
> Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R, Annapolis
>
>
>
> On 01/26/2023 8:56 AM Matt Wolford via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Martin:
>
>
>
> Question for a fellow Bruckmann “stick” boat owner (or
> anyone else with a suggestion): when Bruckmann built boats, limber holes
> were installed in most of the needed locations.  However, the bottoms of
> the limber holes are rarely flush with the area being drained.  As a
> result: a) water accumulates uphill of the limber hole until the level
> reaches the bottom of the hole, then drains; and b) as a result, there is
> always some water sitting in the area being drained.  A prior owner
> attempted to address this by placing Bondo filler above the limber holes.
> However, the surface of the Bondo is irregular (again holding small amounts
> of water), and water can work its way between the Bondo and the hull
> undetected (worse).  Plus it looks very unprofessional.  I was thinking
> about removing the Bondo, grinding the paint off on the interior hull
> surface underneath, putting a cork or something in the limber hole, and
> pouring an epoxy mixture into the area until it reaches the bottom of the
> limber hole.
>
>
>
> Has anyone tried something like this?
>
>
>
> Matt
>
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Stus-List Re: Thru Hull

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Look at Groco:
https://www.groco.net/products/fittings/thru-hull-fittings
and a seacock from them.

Joel

On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 12:35 PM John McCrea via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I did that job on our 36 last year. I did not have the original seacocks.
> Prior owner had installed cheap white plastic valves that you find at your
> local hardware store. I replaced them with:  Forespar MF850 Marelon
> Inline Threaded Ball Valve - 2 Inch NPSM-Female | Defender Marine
> 
>
>
>
> John McCrea
>
> Talisman
>
> 1979 36-1
>
> Mystic, CT
>
>
>
> *From:* Tom A via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 19, 2023 12:13 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* tagraph...@optonline.net
> *Subject:* Stus-List Thru Hull
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I had to replace my stbd cockpit drain Seacock and unfortunately could not
> save the thru-hull fitting. It is a flush mount style that fits into a
> recessed space on the hull. I’ve looked at a few manufacturers, but nothing
> matches up great. Before I start a salvage search, or try to adapt a new
> one, I was wondering if anybody had any advice.
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/16YqXM8JLY596Io3Ay_VKXnsXBCECw2_8/view?usp=share_link
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom
>
> C 36
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Stus-List Re: TowBoatUS is it worth it?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

If you are a West Gold member you can get a free Boat US membership. Even
if you have to pay it’s worth it

On Sat, Jan 14, 2023 at 1:57 PM Bob Mann via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Chuck,
>
> unless you're going far and need a tow, it sounds like you've got your
> situations covered.  I've used them once, when I couldn't start the engine
> after a race. Of course, I was all of 1.5 miles off shore :(
>
> I'm now doing longer races, including Port Huron to Mackinac.  A tow from
> anywhere back to my home port is well worth the cost of the insurance.
>
> Bob
> Mystic
> Detroit
>
> On 01/14/2023 1:50 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Guys,
> Got a question for the shallow water sailors like those in Chesapeake Bay.
>
> I'm thinking whether to buy TowBoatUS for peace of mind this coming
> season.  I've owned my boat for twenty years and though I do run aground a
> few times each year, I always get off faily easily by backing out or
> spinning the keel free.My batteries are older and I might need a jump
> start after anchoring out.  I keep a jumpstarter aboard for that situation
> and can easily check the charge.
>
> Are there any benefits I am missing that the membership provides?
> TowBoatUS requires thirty days before benefits are effective, so February
> looks a good time to join if I do.
>
> Thanks,
> Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute, 1989 C 34R, Annapolis
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Stus-List Re: Replacing Original Boom

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Randy,

I would not get the stoppers for the inboard end.  They grab at the worst
possible time.  I removed them from both of my Selden booms.

Joel

On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 10:58 AM Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Happy New Year Listers.
>
> I’m contemplating replacing the original boom on my 30 MK I with a new
> Selden BS120-03B.  This is an outgrowth of my offseason project to replace
> sheaves & halyards, add deck organizers and rope clutches to lead lines
> aft, etc.
>
> What attracts me to a new modern boom is being able to run the outhaul and
> reef lines through sheaves at its aft end, through the boom, through
> sheaves at its forward end, down to turning blocks on the mast at the
> collar, then aft via deck organizers to rope clutches.  The Selden booms
> also have a pretty slick internal single-line reefing system for two reef
> points.
>
> I’ve requested a few quotes and so far the price is less than I feared -
> reasonable enough to actually do it.
>
> Have any of y’all done this before, and have any experience to report?
>
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> SV Grenadine
> C 30 MK I #79
> Ken Caryl, CO
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Stus-List Re: C 35 Mk I Recommendations for Sailmaker

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

For a headsail, the best value IMHO is national sail supply in Florida if
you can get a stock headsail.  They are a huge Rolly Tasker dealer, and
their retail price is lower than my local dealer's wholesale price.  If you
are OK doing your own measurements for the main, Bacon Sails in Annapolis.
Neither is in Toronto, but its the best I've got!

Joel

On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 10:30 AM Kevin Wright via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Glen,
>
> I bought a new headsail last year from Precision sails. Price was good and
> the quality was as well. No issues after the first season. Their head
> office is in Vancouver and I think all sails are made in Asia, pretty
> common I think. My 2 cents…
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
> Raven
>
> 1985 Landfall 43
>
> Midland On
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 9:28 AM Glen Eddie via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>>
>>
>> Time for Freya to get a new Mainsail and Headsail (135%-150% furling
>> dacron).  Any preferred sailmakers in the Greater Toronto Area?
>>
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Stus-List Insurance - again

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Happy New Year!

I've been looking for insurance to cover our boat in the Caribbean and Med.

READ THE POLICY BEFORE YOU BUY!

I got what I thought was a good quote through a British broker until I read
that the value of the mast decreased by 5% per year - i.e. a 20 year old
mast was not insured.

Joel
Rule One Hylas 49
Former owner The Office C 35/3
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Stus-List Re: Wind instrument conundrum

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

The new B WS310 wind instrument is garbage.  The one I installed lst
spring lasted 1/2 way to Bermuda, and the replacement is DOA.  The B
forum is full of similar complaints.

Joel

On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 10:34 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> From someone who has been through similar anguish with a 22 year old B
> system, I would suggest you just sell your soul to B and sign your name
> on the check. Either that or go Raymarine before you get into  B too
> far.  . I thought I could upgrade certain things of the B on the cheap,
> but it was torture. After trying to convert different things to NMEA 2000
> with Actisense and B converters, I finally just gave in, bought the CPU
> and new autopilot, Zeus, etc. And yes that was painful, but at least now
> things work.   Still have the old 213 masthead unit, BTW, and I also have a
> newer one as the spare. There were a couple of electronic boxes that did
> the MHU and Depth conversion from analog to to 0183. then converting that
> to NMEA 2000.  It was very confusing. I had an IT Guy help me one day, and
> he was tearing all kinds of wires out and I was about having a heart
> attack, but things still worked. Later, with more tinkering on my part,
> they didn't work correctly. The point is, most of the old wires and boxes
> were not needed. But then I still had trouble. Hence purchasing the 5000
> CPU and a functioning electronic system.  But of course, it didn't all end
> there. Last year I was having trouble with wind direction.  A little
> investigation determined a bad connection where the wires terminated at the
> base of the mast, in a cheap terminal block that was actually steel, and
> getting a little rusty. Cleaning all that up brought things back to snuff.
> The signals from these transducers are so tiny, any slightly imperfect
> connection causes bad outcomes.
>
> Bill Coleman
> Entrada  Erie PA
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 6:44 PM Martin DeYoung via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Charlie,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a similar issue with Calypso’s B wind instruments.  I have been
>> following several related topics in Sailing Anarchy’s Gear forum where
>> people much more familiar with the IT side of connecting a new sensor to an
>> existing system.  I have read much about various attempts to connect
>> different manufacturers equipment through a NMEA backbone.
>>
>>
>>
>> My sense is there may not be an easy or simple solution at least for our
>> 22 year old B system.
>>
>>
>>
>> Martin DeYoung
>>
>> Calypso
>>
>> 1971 C 43
>>
>> Port Ludlow/Seattle
>>
>>
>>
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Stus-List Re: Moving 43 landfall from GA to FL and riggers.

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I was very happy with wemoveboats.com.

Joel

On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 2:15 PM david coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
> First time user here.Who has experienced  a good boat transport
> company.Looking for names .Also any good names of riggers that service Port
> Charlotte  Fl area?Thanks for the help.
> David
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Stus-List Re: Marina/boatyard fires

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Not Mystic Seaport:

Seaport Marine is across the Mystic River from downtown Mystic. Seaport
Marine is at 2 Washington St. and has a waterfront restaurant, Red 36, and
a retail store, Fighting Lady Tackle Co., according to its website.

Prestige Yacht Sales, which is also located at 2 Washington St., was among
the businesses consumed by the fire, Manfredi said.

On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 1:40 PM David Risch via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> As did I…what fire at the Seaport?
>
>
>
> *From:* Richard Bush via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, November 28, 2022 10:46 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* johnmcc...@comcast.net; Richard Bush 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Marina/boatyard fires
>
>
>
> John, what would cause something like that "open neutral" to happen so
> suddenly?
>
> I was able to attend the 2012 C rendezvous at Mystic and thoroughly
> enjoyed it!
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596;
>
>
>
> Richard N. Bush Law Offices
>
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
>
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
>
> 502-584-7255
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John McCrea via CnC-List 
> To: 'Stus-List' 
> Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net
> Sent: Mon, Nov 28, 2022 10:39 am
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Marina/boatyard fires
>
> I was at the Mystic one last night. I live about a mile from downtown and
> my boat is right across the river from Seaport Marine. When the explosions
> started happening we rushed down. It was caused by an open neutral on the
> power feed from the building to shore power to the boats in the water. It
> was blowing hard as well and we were lucky to not lose more than we did.
>
>
>
> John McCrea
>
> *Talisman*
>
> 1979 36-1
>
> Mystic, CT
>
>
>
> *From:* Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, November 28, 2022 10:30 AM
> *To:* CnClist 
> *Cc:* Dennis C. 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Marina/boatyard fires
>
>
>
> Couple of boatyard fires lately.  Seaport Marine in Mystic, CT and
> Seabrook Marine in New Orleans.  Tough news.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Dennis C.
>
> Touche' 35-1 #83
>
> Mandeville, LA
>
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Stus-List Re: Minimum list of Tools to be kept onboard a boat

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

https://www.passagemaker.com/technical/the-90-toolkit?utm_campaign=PSM%20-%20NL%20-%20Channels%20Campaign_medium=email&_hsmi=234499401&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-88rMCV0L_4H5xk3G_8zuQlPLutnF703yX-sHzkRn66WnYcGrVJlqw5cRmWKi8TQUDjMmM3PXv3228kLju5La0lUtSdLw_content=234499401_source=hs_email

On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 1:34 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I've been helping a friend get his sailboat together and it's his first
> boat and he never has the right handtools, so I bring my own toolbag.  I 
> wonder
> if anyone ever put together a list of hand tools to be kept on the boat
> that I could share with him.
>
> I also need to remove some unnecessary tools as the bag has gotten heavier
> over time.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Chuck S
>


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Stus-List Re: charger/inverter

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

FWIW, I went with Vitron with separate units for inverter and charger based
on my electrician's recommendation.

Joel

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 10:56 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Heart, now Xantrex seems to dominate as far as I know.
> I have had one of each, worked fine. The older ones were not true Sine
> Wave, which meant that you had to run your microwave about twice as long as
> at the dock.
> I think they are all now true sine wave, at least that is what I would
> want. I think, as I have no experience with those.
>
> There, that comment was worth about what you paid for it.
>
> Bill Coleman
> Snowy Erie PA
>
> On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 10:39 AM pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I am looking to update my shore power charger and considering
>> charger/inverter with lithium batt capabilities.
>>
>>
>>
>> There are lots of manufacturers out there.  Can anyone provide reliable
>> resources to review or recommendations?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>

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Stus-List Re: Minimum list of Tools to be kept onboard a boat

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Basics:
Tapes- Silicone repair, electrical/rigging and duct.
For screwdrivers a Klein 11 in 1 and 4:1 stubby, #3 phillips and large flat
blade
Channel locks, adjustable wrenches and box wrenches, SAE and metric, allen
wrenches SAE nd metric
Crimpers Strippers
Battery powered multi tool and drill, dremel
Strap wrench
sockets, SAE and metric
and David's coat hanger!

Joel

On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 2:34 PM David Risch via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Do  not forget the most important one…
>
>
>
> *Wire Coat Hanger*
>
>
>
> *From:* Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2022 1:57 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Shawn Wright 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Minimum list of Tools to be kept onboard a boat
>
>
>
> I carry a lot of tools, but did cull some of them after the first season,
> as many were duplicates which came with the boat but were of inferior
> quality, or were badly corroded.
>
>
>
> I have a large plastic toolbox with: complete screwdriver set (plus a good
> multi tip driver), (3 each of standard, philips and roberston, plus
> roberston #0 for small trim screws). Complete wrench set both metric and
> SAE in a wrap. A wrap of custom made wrenches for the boat, made for hard
> to access bits on the engine, supplied by PO. Needle nose pliers, channel
> locks, side cutters, crescent wrenches. Several metal files, hacksaw with
> spare metal cutting blades. Set of allen keys. Small hammer. Tap and die
> set with common sizes (full set I leave at home).
>
>
>
> In addition, I have a decent sized ratchet set in a case with 1/4, 3/8 and
> 1/2" drive sockets both metric and SAE up to 22mm, along with torx and hex
> sockets.
>
>
>
> I also have 3 plastic bins with electrical tools (meter, soldering
> iron, crimpers, etc), connectors and wire, although could probably cull
> down to one, but I always seem to have several minor electrical mods on the
> todo list. I would rate this category *very* highly, as it takes very
> little space, but can make the difference when something electrical goes
> wrong.
>
>
>
> I also have a set of 18V tools (circular saw, recip saw, drill, hammer
> drill, flashlight) that I use for projects, but keep only the drill and
> light aboard when sailing. Good set of drill bits as well.
>
>
>
> Spare parts for nearly everything: starter, alternator, engine belts,
> water pump, impellers, glow plugs, engine coolant premixed, zincs for
> engine and shaft, macerator pump, water pressure pump. Large assortment of
> SS fasteners, shackles, etc.
>
>
>
> We have an electric dinghy motor which charges off solar, and the battery
> is capable of starting the main engine in the event of total battery
> failure. So far, I've only had to use it to jump start the car after
> leaving it for several months... :)
>
>
>
> Depends on where you sail, but we are often out 4-6 weeks at a time in
> fairly remote areas, so being self-sufficient is important.
>
>
> --
>
> Shawn Wright
>
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
>
> S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
>
> https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 10:34 AM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I've been helping a friend get his sailboat together and it's his first
> boat and he never has the right handtools, so I bring my own toolbag.  I
> wonder if anyone ever put together a list of hand tools to be kept on the
> boat that I could share with him.
>
>
>
> I also need to remove some unnecessary tools as the bag has gotten heavier
> over time.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Chuck S
>
>

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Stus-List Re: 3M 4200

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

De-bond

On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 7:58 AM John Read via CnC-List 
wrote:

> After 40 years, it is time to rebuild my forward main hatch.  Issue is it
> is bedded to hull with 3M 4200.  Any suggestions on how to break that seal?
>
>
>
> John Read
>
> Legacy III
>
> 1982 C 34
>
> Noank, CT
>
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Engine panel button/switch replacement

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Or a crows foot:
https://www.amazon.com/RamPro-Drive-Crowfoot-Wrench-Standard/dp/B0719BLYH3/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?gclid=CjwKCAjwwL6aBhBlEiwADycBIAUGufZ85TvkPFcoOOKUlpYU9ttVZM_dSGHuXMi6kHS8Fy3LyyFKmhoCcAkQAvD_BwE=174265213818=c=9007832=g=e=8003969220624125976=kwd-1048994898=8433_9618934=crows+foot+wrench=1666194726=eyJxc2MiOiI1LjEyIiwicXNhIjoiNC45NiIsInFzcCI6IjQuMTUifQ%3D%3D=8-1-spons=1

Or a dremel!

Joel

On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 11:50 AM Jeff Nelson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> something like this might work for the wrench:
>
> https://www.homedepot.ca/product/husky-adjustable-slip-nut-wrench/1000828297
>
> Sorry I can't help with the buttons.
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
>   Jeff Nelson
>   Muir Caileag
>   C 30 - 549
>   Armdale Y.C.
>
> On 2022-10-19 12:29, David Knecht via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I spent some time yesterday replacing the original engine panel (Universal
> M4-30) buttons/switches and ran into a problem.  I had bought a new Cole
> Hersee key switch and two push button switches for the replacement.  I was
> able to replace the key switch and the glow plug button easily (only a
> small amount of blood and pain).  However, I realized that the original
> push button start switch is different from the glow plug button. The glow
> plug button has a rubber hood that can be easily removed and a knurled
> round collar nut on the outside and another nut on the inside to secure it.
>  The start button has a rubber hood that appears not designed to be removed
> and a rounded collar piece with no knurling that secures it on the
> outside.  I have been unable to remove that collar and it is not clear if
> it is threaded. The inside nut is different as well, and it is so tightly
> spaced to the body that I have not found a tool thin enough to get to it
> and loosen it.  Anyone have suggestions on:
>
> 1.  Why these two push button switches are different when the presumably
> perform the same type of function?
> 2. A flat tool that can get to a narrow space for a large nut (something
> like a bicycle pedal wrench but adjustable)?
> 3.  How that start push button switch is supposed to come apart?
>
> THanks- Dave
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
>
>
>
>

-- 
Joel

Stus-List Re: Woodpecker attacks genoa

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Weeds, Alligators, woodpeckers - What's next?

Joel

On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 11:35 AM Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> They drum to mark their territory, as well. I have seen (and heard) them
> drumming on the telephone poles (esp. the top metal cap) and on our
> eavestroughs.
>
> Marek
> Ottawa, ON
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Adrian C Humphreys via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 11:12 AM
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Adrian C Humphreys 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Woodpecker attacks genoa
>
> Woodpeckers will also drum when seeking a mate. I've seen one rap on an
> aluminum ladder, no bugs on it. Very loud.
>
> Adrian Humphreys
> Epilogue, Rockport ME
> C 33-2
> adri...@telamontech.com
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 16, 2022, at 10:06 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > Strange.  Heard repetitive tapping sound while on the boat this week.
> The source was a woodpecker attacking the furled genoa on a neighboring
> boat.  Must have been bugs in the sail.  Link to picture:
> >
> >
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F1kc4okG4zrUi3Vh4GgUM4wJZAQE4fGFNt%2Fview%3Fusp%3Dsharingdata=05%7C01%7C%7C76499e53bae741ecf3e808da97f5f30f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637989379854903918%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=7An28oCIHE7%2FL5LRjw%2FQmDfNwpsM2lJ2gUp2K35op94%3Dreserved=0
> >
> > --
> > Dennis C.
> > Touche' 35-1 #83
> > Mandeville, LA
>


-- 
Joel

Stus-List Re: Partially furling the genoa when racing

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

FWIW My first move is to reef the main upwind, even with a foam luff gennie.

Joel

On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 10:25 AM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi David
>
>
>
> First I find it unusual to hear of a J27 with a furling genoa.  We had a
> J27 that came that way and it was the only one I knew of.  Our furling
> genoa was awful to use when racing anyway so we would  ignore the furler
> and tack our racing sails to the deck below the drum.  Eventually sold the
> luff foil, furling system and the furling genoa and replaced with a tuff
> luff
>
>
>
> J27 upwind if too windy for 150 should use a blade as it is much faster.
> Downwind most 27s fly a spinnaker anyway.
>
>
>
> On our 33 we will sometimes be overpowered upwind flying our non furling
> 140 or 155 genoas for the added boost downwind if racing non spin.  If it
> is too windy for our 140 we drop to our 103%% head sail.
>
>
>
> Your genoa would have to be designed and built to sail partially furled
> for it to have any sort of performance up wind.  I know some have foam in
> the luff area for this.  Regardless I would think the loss of upwind
> performance would be a pretty nasty price to pay for more horsepower down
> wind …
>
>
>
> Those are my thoughts
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Mike Hoyt
>
> Persistence
>
> Halifax, NS
>
>
>
> *From:* David Knecht via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* September 12, 2022 11:12 AM
> *To:* CnC CnC discussion list 
> *Cc:* David Knecht 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Partially furling the genoa when racing
>
>
>
> I was talking to the skipper of a J27 who nearly always wins our PHRF
> class and he was telling me that while he wins a lot, he struggles in
> heavier air.  He said he had recently started partially roller furling his
> large genoa for upwind legs and then unfurling downwind when the wind was
> strong enough to overpower him.  I have never considered doing that and my
> larger genoa does not have “reef points” .  What are the groups thoughts on
> the value/feasibility of this?   Any reason it would be bad for the sail?
> It certainly would be easier than putting on my smaller sail when winds are
> questionable.  I worry about not only sail shape, but when partially
> furled, the furler and genoa sheet are fighting each other, which might not
> be a good thing for the furler.  Dave
>
>
>
> S/V Aries
>
> 1990 C 34+
>
> New London, CT
>
>
>
>


-- 
Joel

Stus-List Re: anyone try this chafe guard?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Joe,

I tried it, or something similar, years ago.  It used two sided tape that
left the edges sticking up off the deck.  Be careful where you put it so
you don't slice a body part on the edge.

Joel

On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 12:11 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> https://www.nowearguard.com/
>
>
>
> It sure looks nice. I am tempted to use it on the bow where the anchor
> tends to hit the boat.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina C 35 MK I
>
> Kent Island MD USA
>
>
>


-- 
Joel

Stus-List Re: C Steak Rub

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Probably the salt that clumps. Is there a low sodium option?

Joel

On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 4:51 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Okay, so Stu doesn't sell a C brand steak rub.  I wanted to make it
> "list legal".  :)  List traffic has been light so here's a new thread.
>
> Although I'm usually happy with just Worcestershire sauce, salt and pepper
> on my boat steaks, occasionally I like to amp up the flavor profile.
>
> I've tried a number of store bought steak rubs, McCormick, Weber, etc.
> Here in Louisiana the humidity causes them to set up into a lump when
> stored on the boat.  I even keep them in a plastic zipper bag.  One rub I
> use, Bolners Fiesta Hamburger Deluxe, stays loose and shakeable for
> whatever reason.
>
> Any suggestions on a steak rub that wouldn't clump up?
>
> --
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
-- 
Joel

Stus-List Re: Running Lights Blowing Fuses

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

So the screws touching the stemhead are causing a short?  Usually the light
fixture is some sort of non-conductive plastic.
Are there any old wires touching the stemhead (if you can see from inside
the anchor locker)?

Joel

On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 8:11 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello Listers,
>
> I’m in need of your sage advice or at least hypotheses on an electrical
> problem.
>
> Here’s the background.  Late last season my starboard running light bulb
> burnt out.  It was a simple incandescent bulb, and the fixtures were
> probably original.  So I thought hey, why not replace all three running
> lights with LEDs.  In the process of doing that, I accidentally dropped the
> port fixture’s dome cover to the bottom of my slip (no chance of recovery;
> zero visibility).  So, shit.  I buy three new fixtures which have the same
> hole pattern as the old ones but of course take different bulbs so I had to
> buy LED festoon-style bulbs too.  What started out as a simple $1.50 bulb
> replacement turned into a $150 project.  And of course the new fixtures’
> bases are thicker than the old, so I had to get longer stainless screws and
> drill and tap deeper holes in the stemhead casting.
>
> Well, after getting everything back together I discovered the running
> lights circuit is blowing its fuse within seconds of switching it on.  But
> only when the dome covers are screwed on to forward fixtures (the new stern
> fixture including dome cover screws into the teak taffrail and causes no
> problems).  I’ve now isolated the misbehavior to screwing the forward dome
> covers on.  If I leave the covers off, the LED bulbs burn all night.  I can
> press down on the fixtures and twist the LED bulbs around no problem - none
> of that causes any contact that shorts the circuit.  If I put the covers on
> but don’t screw them down, the LED bulbs burn all night.  But as soon as I
> screw those forward covers down, blown fuse.
>
> I’ve pulled the fixtures and looked carefully again at all the wiring,
> including in the forepeak under the deck.  There is no pinched wire or cut
> insulation.  The wiring to the fixtures goes through different (and much
> bigger) holes than any of the screws do.  My heat-shrink butt connections
> are tight.  As a short-term solution I just bought some nylon screws to
> hold the covers down.  I haven’t tested that yet, but hopefully it works.
>
> Meanwhile I’m pretty mystified.  Any theories?
>
> Thanks,
> Randy Stafford
> SV Grenadine
> C 30 MK I #79
> Ken Caryl, CO
>


-- 
Joel

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Lithium Batteries

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I rigged a block and tackle to the boom to get the 8ds out and off the
boat.

On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 2:56 PM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> That is half the reason I am interested, hauling heavy hunks of lead
> around is tough on the back past a certain age, never mind the effect on
> the boat.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> *From:* Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Friday, July 29, 2022 11:54 AM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Joel Aronson 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Lithium Batteries
>
>
>
> flooded 8D is 160 pounds.  200 aH Lifepo is 40.
>
>
>
-- 
Joel

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Lithium Batteries

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

flooded 8D is 160 pounds.  200 aH Lifepo is 40.

On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 6:26 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> 1 AH means you get one amp for one hour.
>
> Power is amps times volts, so 1 amp at 12 volts is half as much power as 1
> amp at 24 volts.
>
> Amp-hours only makes sense when comparing batteries of the same voltage,
> watt-hours is the same across all voltages.
>
>
>
> A 225 AH 12 volt lead acid battery an 8D size and is very heavy. It can
> supply about 120 amp-hours or so for long life in cycling mode. A 200
> amp-hour lithium battery is good for maybe 180 amp-hours without damage.
> Rule of thumb is lead-acid should cycle at 50% and lithium can go to 80%.
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina C 35 MK I
>
> Kent Island MD USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 28, 2022 3:35 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Bill Coleman 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Lithium Batteries
>
>
>
> Oh!
> For some reason, I thought Ah were constant, regardless of voltage - I
> guess maybe that is Kilowatts -
> So with a 200 Ah Lifepo battery vs a 255 AGM, looks like I will lose some
> capacity, unless that is made up with efficiency from the Lithium - .
>
> Does that make sense?
>
>
>
> Thanks Joe.
>
> Bill Coleman
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 2:40 PM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> A 100 AH 24 volt battery and a 200 AH 12 volt battery hold the same amount
> of power.
>
> Assuming they are using 100 AH cells, the 12 volt will have 2 sets of 4
>  in series in the case that are then in parallel and the 24 volt version
> will have all 8 in series. You could literally open the case and change a
> 12 to a 24 volt or back again, BMS issues aside.
>
> Don’t forget the lithium batteries in a standard-size case may not be
> using all the real estate inside that case either, it isn’t like lead-acid
> where a certain capacity means a certain size.
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 27, 2022 2:33 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Bill Coleman 
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Lithium Batteries
>
>
>
> These are confusing, they have a 24 V that looks similar in size to the
> lifeline 8D, but the 8D is 255 Ah, and the
> *SOK 24V 100Ah LiFePO4 Battery
> *
>
>
>
> is only 100 Ah - are they supposed to be equal, even with that disparity?
>
>
>
> Blil Coleman
>
> Entrada Erie PA
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 4:45 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I think I am going to get 2 of these:
>
> https://www.us.sokbattery.com/product-page/sok-12v100ah-lifepo4-battery
>
>
>
> Advantages I see:
>
>1. Two of them means a dead BMS only takes half the bank offline, not
>100% of your power.
>2. They have heaters for the very rare times the cabin might be below
>freezing.
>3. They have Bluetooth for access to the BMS.
>4. I saved the best for last, if the BMS craps out or you just want a
>better one, just open it up and replace it! This is NOT possible with most
>batteries unless you cut them apart.
>5. See 4, a dead cell can be replaced.
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina C 35 MK I
>
> Kent Island MD USA
>
>
>
>
>
>

-- 
Joel

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: No recent mail - now alternator belt

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Joe,

Renogy is having a great sale.  If I hadn't purchased two from China last
year that would be my choice.

Joel

On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 9:29 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> To add to my fun it was about sunset and my batteries are about shot. I
> had 16 miles to go and didn’t want run on battery power, so digging through
> my spare belts it turns out they were all too short ☹ I had to swap
> alternators back to the one that uses the shorter belts, so a 10 minute job
> became quite a bit longer.
>
> I think I need to quit researching lithium batteries for the 25th time
> and just pick one!
>
>
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
> *Coquina*
>


-- 
Joel

Stus-List Re: Barient 26 winch questions

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Joe

Can't help on the diameter.
Diagram: http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/winches/winches8.htm
Lewmar springs/pawls should fit just fine.

Joel
(still lurking)

On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 2:23 PM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know the drum diameter of the Barient 26s that are on the 35
> MK I?
>
> Also do I dare take them apart for greasing? If a spring shoots overboard
> can I still get more?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>


-- 
Joel

Stus-List Re: Painting hull

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Fred

Found it very hard to work with. Very thin and sets up very quickly on a
sunny day.

Joel

On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 4:05 PM Fred Hazzard via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Do any of you listers have experience rolling and tipping your boat with
> Epifanes 2 part poly-urethane?
> I would appreciate any comments about the process and results.
> Fred Hazzard
> S/V Fury
> C 44
> Portland Or
>
> Sent from my iPhone

-- 
Joel

Stus-List Andrew Burton

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Congrats to former C Andy Burton for taking 1st in class and second in
division in the Newport Bermuda race on his Baltic 47, Masquerade!  It was
hardly champagne sailing against a formidable fleet!

-- 
Joel

Stus-List Re: Cost to replace UV cover

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

U V cover replacement is by the foot. What else did they recommend?  New
webbing? Restitching?

On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 7:34 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Maybe it's time for a SailRite machine!
> On the other hand, isn't there some kind of a white sticky material you
> can buy and just put it on yourself? It sticks like the numbers or
> graphics. I'm pretty sure I had that on one of my leeches.
>
> Bill Coleman
> Entrada Erie PA
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2022, 19:08 Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> The UV cover on my genoa is starting to fail, so I took it to Bacons to
>> get repaired. I figured 5 or 6 boat bucks maybe. Well I figured wrong, the
>> estimate came back at $1350! Yikes!
>>
>> Are they nuts or is this the going rate now? That seems like a pretty
>> good chunk of an entire sail!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe Della Barba
>>
>> Coquina C 35 MK I
>>
>> Kent Island MD USA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> --
Joel

Stus-List Bermuda return crew

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

While I wait for a new starter I decided to leave the boat in Bermuda and
fly home. The new plan is to depart around July 5 for Annapolis.
Please let me know if you are interested.

Joel
-- 
Joel

Stus-List Return crew

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

All

We had to return to Bermuda because the starter failed  I am looking for
available crew who could fly to Bermuda and help bring our Hylas 49 back to
Annapolis early next week. Please email me if available. I had assembled a
great group of C but their schedules did not take into account a four
or five  day delay in departure
-- 
Joel

Stus-List Re: Bilge Pumps

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Whale for me

Joel

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 4:36 AM Randal Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hey Listers,
>
> What are your favorite bilge pumps?
>
> I think I’m pretty done with RuleMate 1100s.  I’ve had really mixed
> experiences with their reliability.
>
> I’m general I’d prefer an automatic pump so I don’t have to fuss with a
> float switch, but I could relent on that.
>
> Thanks,
> Randy
>
> Sent from my iPhone

-- 
Joel

Stus-List Re: Batteries again

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I don't know Prowse, but would hardly call him a hack.  He has reviewed
batteries and found that the advertised specs were not true and has exposed
shoddy construction.
He's not an engineer, but never claimed to be.  He's just another free
resource out there in the wild.

My 2 cents

Joel

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 9:39 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thank you for outing the hack, sometimes it is hard to know who to believe
> when something (like this) is not your area of expertise.
>
> I just found this on my Balmar regulator instructions, which gives me
> pause . ..
>
>
>
> LFP LiFeP0*4 *Recommendations
>
> Our LFP program is a generalized version of the recommendations provided
> by the top LFP battery manufacturers. For best performance and
> compatibility, please consult your battery manufacturer and use the
> regulator’s advanced programming features to adjust the LFP program as
> needed. LFP batteries are more sensitive to abuse than a traditional
> chemistry battery and can fail catastrophically. It is HIGHLY recommended
> that the charging system as a whole be installed or inspected by a
> qualified marine electrical installer that has experience with Balmar
> charging system products and LFP batteries. The LFP profile is intended to
> work with the battery manufacturer’s battery management systems (BMS). The
> LFP profile IS NOT a replacement for a BMS.
>
>
>
> FMany LiFePo4 batteries have a Battery Management System (BMS) that may
> disconnect the battery from the alternator as a protective action or when
> charging is complete. The regulator must be shut down before the battery is
> disconnected .Running an alternator without a battery will damage the
> alternator and may damage any attached system. This is doubly true if the
> battery can be disconnected during high current charging, causing a load
> dump. The load dump can easily cause a high voltage spike which will
> destroy the alternator’s rectifier, at minimum. This is not a warrantable
> failure. To reiterate: THE ALTERNATOR MUST BE SHUT DOWN BEFORE
> DISCONNECTING THE BATTERY. THE ONLY SAFE WAY TO SHUT DOWN THE ALTERNATOR IS
> TO TURN OFF THE REGULATOR. The preferred method of turning off the
> regulator is disconnecting the regulator’s ignition (brown) wire, but if
> used as an EMERGENCY ONLY shutdown, disconnecting the regulator’s power
> input (red) wire in addition to the ignition wire has a very low chance of
> damaging the regulator.
>
>
>
> FLFP batteries will readily accept a damaging amount of current. Applying
> too much charge current to a LFP battery will, at the very least,
> permanently damage the battery’s capacity. It is CRITICAL to ensure that
> the alternator is not capable of exceeding the maximum continuous charge
> current rating of your battery (or batteries). As always, check with your
> battery manufacturer for specifics. Your battery manufacturer may supply
> you with a “C-rate” for charging and discharging. The maximum amount of
> charging current your battery can safely handle is determined by
> multiplying the “C-Rate” by the capacity of the bank. i.e. 4x 100Ah 12V
> batteries rated at 0.5C charge = 400 Ah * 0.5C = 200amps MAX. If your
> alternator is capable of outputting more current, at any time or condition,
> than the battery (or batteries) can handle, you may use the Amp Manager
> feature on the MC-624 to lower the maximum field drive output, and thereby
> lower the maximum alternator output current. See page 10 of your regulator
> manual for details and instructions. Be aware that it is not an exact 1:1
> correlation between field output and alternator output, so start with more
> reduction (lower output) than you think you need and adjust accordingly.
>
>
>
> FIt is strongly recommended that an alternator temperature sensor
> (MC-TS-A) be used when charging LFP batteries. Given the extremely high
> charge acceptance rate of LFP batteries, the alternator will be driven to
> full output for almost all of the charge cycle. This can cause overheating
> in automotive style alternators resulting in a significantly shortened
> lifespan. When equipped with the MC-TS-A temperature sensor, the MC-624
> will help you protect your investment by reducing the field voltage to your
> alternator by 50% when over the “AL1” temperature threshold. If you cannot
> use an MC-TS-A in your application, you should monitor the alternator’s
> temperature (measure as close to the loop ends of the stator as possible)
> and discontinue charging if the alternator temperature rises above the
> maximum recommended level. You may also use the Amp Manager feature on your
> MC-624 to reduce maximum output until a tolerable alternator temperature is
> maintained under all conditions.
>
>
>
> FMost LFP battery manufacturers specify minimum and maximum charging
> temperatures to be from freezing (32°F, 0°C) to around 111°F (44°C). Again,
> consult with your battery manufacturer for specifics. When equipped 

Stus-List Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Brian,

I don't know how long you can leave a boat on a mooring in Annapolis, but a
much cheaper option.  Check with the harbormaster.  There are several
marinas just north of Annapolis in Whitehall Bay that will be cheaper if
they have space.  Or you can move north to the Magothy or Middle River.  I
can't recommend specific marinas, but the Waterway Guide should help you
find the right place.

Joel

On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 10:12 AM nausetbeach--- via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> We may need to leave a boat in the northern Chesapeake for a couple weeks
> to a month this July.  Can anybody recommend a marina with available slips
> or moorings that might not break the bank for a transient?  Do not need
> lots of amenities and services [at least hope not.]  Water and pump out,
> clean fuel a plus.
>
>
>
> The plan would be to eventually head north through the C and on to NYC
> and western LIS.  Would also need to return a rental car and then a taxi or
> Uber back to the yard prior to departing.  Have looked at Jabin’s and Port
> Annapolis, but might guess some other locations not in Annapolis might be
> less, though maybe not.  Harge’s or Herrington Harbor North would be making
> a longer trip for the delivery, and do not appear to be relatively close to
> a rental car return, though maybe taxis / Uber might not be too bad.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian
>


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Stus-List Re: knot meter not working

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

The transducer is made by Airmar in New Hampshire.  Airmar is owned by
Gemeco.  You might contact their tech support.  I've had the temp fail on
that model, but not all 3.  the warranty is 2 years from manufacture, not
install.  Sorry!

On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 10:37 AM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> It could be the transducer, or it could be the display. If you know
> someone with B instruments, remove your display and connect it to the
> other person's instruments. If it still doesn't work, it's the display. if
> it does, it's the transducer. Usually when the transducer paddle wheel
> isn't clean, the display shows 000, not ---. The transducer isn't
> repairable. Check Amazon or eBay for a replacement.
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 4:34 AM Bob Mann via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> My speed/depth/temp thru-hull is now showing dashes instead of values.
>> It's the airmar DST800 that came with my B displays.  Can these be
>> repaired or am I SOL?  Is there a number/email for B?  The local,
>> official installer isn't worth crap so even though only ~25 months old
>> probably not covered under warranty.
>>
>> Bob
>> Mystic
>>
>

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Stus-List Re: Recommendation: Osprey Composites - Herrington Harbor, area Riggers

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Just replaced 30 year old wire on my Hylas.  Everything still looked great
until we removed the furler drum.  There was a LOT of corrosion under the
furler.

I've been told that for salt water boats the rod needs to be inspected and
reheaded every 10 years and wire should be replaced at ten years (although
few people do it)

Joel

On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 10:22 AM MICHAEL BRANNON via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Sort of.   I sailed my own boat for 30 years before I replaced the rod
> rigging.   I still have the original backstay which I re-headed.   The cost
> of doing an inspection on rod is prohibitively expensive.   In my opinion
> it is more cost effective to replace it rather than pay to have it
> inspected.In general it is best ro replace all  rigging at the 15-20
> year mark depending on where and how the boat was sailed.   The local USCG
> Marine inspectors want rod rigging at the 10 year mark for commercial
> boats.   Were I in Brian’s shoes I’d buy the boat and sail it for a season
> or two and then decide what to do with it.
>
> Just my opinion.
>
> Sail safe,
>
> Mike
>
> Virginia Lee 93295
> 1978 C 36 CB
> Virginia Beach, VA
>
> On Apr 18, 2022, at 9:41 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> So basically any boat with rod rigging older than 2002 would need all new
> standing rigging?
> Joe
> Coquina
>
>
> *From:* MICHAEL BRANNON via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, April 18, 2022 9:36 AM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* MICHAEL BRANNON 
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Recommendation: Osprey Composites -
> Herrington Harbor, area Riggers
>
> As a rigger I would go with Charlie Nelson’s recommendation.   To do a
> thought inspection of rod rigging it needs to be completely disassembles
> and the cold head looked at closely and possible NDT’d to ensure there are
> no cracks.   At almost 20 years old you most likely need to replace it.
>  Rather than sending the rigging to BSI, or other places,   we measure it
> and have new rigging made to our dimensions.It saves you a little
> money.
>
> Just a thought
>
> Mike Brannon
> Virginia Lee 93295
> 1978 C 36 CB
> Virginia Beach, VA
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 17, 2022, at 2:43 PM, nausetbeach--- via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> We recently looked at a boat on the Chesapeake which would need some deck
> balsa replacement work and a rigging inspection and possibly replacement of
> some / all (?) of the rod rigging.
>
> Osprey Composites at Herrington Harbor / Tracy’s Landing was recommended.
> Anybody have any information / opinion on them?
>
> The boat has 19 year old rod rigging and do not have firm information on
> the last time a rigging inspection was made – probably not in the past 11 -
> 12 years when the current owner purchased the boat.  Can anyone recommend a
> good rigger who could do an inspection in the West River to Herrington
> Harbor vicinity?  The ability to inspect, and possibly fabricate new rod
> rigging is needed.  “The Rigging Company” is one name that keeps coming
> up.  Another is M Yacht Services rigging. Both seem to be on the higher end
> of the pricing spectrum.  Eastcoast Marine Rigging was another name, but am
> not certain if they have the capability / experience to fab new rod
> rigging.  Am not looking to change to wire.  Any opinions / suggestions on
> these two ?
>
> Many thanks,
> Brian
>
>
>

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Stus-List Re: Recommendation: Osprey Composites - Herrington Harbor, area Riggers

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I highly recommend Osprey!  They've done work on my last two boats.  Not
cheap, but top quality work!
Can't help on the rod. When I needed help with my Edson steering, Edson
recommended  M Yachts, but I've never used their rigging services.

Joel

On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 4:37 PM cenelson--- via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Depending on your DIY skills and the local rigger fees, etc. you might
> consider the following which I recently
> had done on my 27 yr old rod rigging on my C 36 XL/kcb.
>
> A local rigger removed and shipped my original rod rigging to BSI or
> Rigging Only (?) for them to duplicate exactly. He then installed the new
> rigging, tuned it and it was done— no issues at all with adjustments beyond
> normal tuning.
>
> The local rigger figured that the shipping costs for the old rigging was
> worth it compared to a possible measurement error (on his dime) that could
> lead to a big mistake.
>
> FWIW,
>
> Charlie Nelson
> 1995 C 36 XL/Kobe
> Water Phantom
>
>
> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
> 
>
> On Sunday, April 17, 2022, 2:43 PM, nausetbeach--- via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> We recently looked at a boat on the Chesapeake which would need some deck
> balsa replacement work and a rigging inspection and possibly replacement of
> some / all (?) of the rod rigging.
>
>
>
> Osprey Composites at Herrington Harbor / Tracy’s Landing was recommended.
> Anybody have any information / opinion on them?
>
>
>
> The boat has 19 year old rod rigging and do not have firm information on
> the last time a rigging inspection was made – probably not in the past 11 -
> 12 years when the current owner purchased the boat.  Can anyone recommend a
> good rigger who could do an inspection in the West River to Herrington
> Harbor vicinity?  The ability to inspect, and possibly fabricate new rod
> rigging is needed.  “The Rigging Company” is one name that keeps coming
> up.  Another is M Yacht Services rigging. Both seem to be on the higher end
> of the pricing spectrum.  Eastcoast Marine Rigging was another name, but am
> not certain if they have the capability / experience to fab new rod
> rigging.  Am not looking to change to wire.  Any opinions / suggestions on
> these two ?
>
>
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Brian
>
>

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Stus-List Re: Defender

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Yesterday I ordered some recharge cartridges for my PFDs yesterday.  The
sale price savings was almost equal to the marked-up shipping charges.
Last night I got a shipping confirmation.  At least they are still
efficient.
Joel

On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 3:11 PM Martin DeYoung via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I second the Fisheries Supply recommendation. I like their customer
> service and as a long term customer get a good discount. Years ago I become
> acquainted with the owners, the Sutter family as Fisheries and my
> manufacturing company shared a CPA. Carl Sutter is an accomplished sailor
> and a supporter of sailing programs.
>
> Back in the early 90’s I was doing foredeck duties on a Santa Cruz 50. One
> of the crew worked at Fisheries. On the first race of a 3 day regatta one
> of the primary winches failed. (It’s an exciting moment to see the winch
> handle rotating backwards under load.)
>
> The Fisheries guy called the store and arranged for a new winch to be run
> over to Shilshole Bay Marina. We got it installed fast enough to only miss
> 1 of 3 buoy races that day.
>
> Martin DeYoung
> Calypso
> 1971 C 43
> Seattle/Port Ludlow
>
> On Mar 27, 2022, at 9:38 AM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>  I like Fisheries Supply and Hodges Marine as well.  Both have
> competitive prices.  Our club has a discount at Fisheries as well.
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera
> 1990 C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
> C 305.409.3660
>
>
>
>

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Stus-List Re: First Aid Kit (inland & coastal)

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Also, gauze, tape, chemical 'ice' packs, couple of short battens for
splints, neosporin, advil/tylenol, ace bandage

Look at the Adventure Medical kit and build your own using the inventory.

Joel


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On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 9:06 AM Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> I am far from being an expert in this area.
>
> I think that various bandaids, adhesive tape etc. are the most important.
> What you listed make a lot of sense.
>
> Practical Sailor run some evaluations for FAKs. Here is a link:
> https://www.practical-sailor.com/safety-seamanship/medical-kits-for-onboard-first-aid?amp=1.
> And another:
> https://www.practical-sailor.com/safety-seamanship/off-the-shelf-medical-kits?amp=1.
> And another:
> https://www.practical-sailor.com/safety-seamanship/medical-kits-for-coastal-cruising?amp=1
> .
>
> All of these articles are a bit dated (2008 and 2001), but the needs
> should not have changed that much.
>
> Btw. These reviews show that price is not a good indicator of quality.
>
> Marek
>
>
>
> Sent from my Android-based can on a string
>
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Andy Frame via CnC-List 
> Date: 2022-02-03 08:43 (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Andy Frame 
> Subject: Stus-List First Aid Kit (inland & coastal)
>
>
>
> An ad popped up on FB for a "boaters" first aid kit for a ridiculous
> price of $200+. The wee orange Pelican box was probably half the cost,
> but I digress.
>
> Concerning inland and coastal sailing, it made me wonder what should be
> in a marine FAK? From my limited experience, I'd say the items that it
> should cover are (to start):
>
> Fingers getting smashed/pinched (band-aids)
> Rope burns
> Cuts/scrapes
> Headache/nausea
> Dehydration
> Exposure (heat related)
> Sun protection (sunscreen)
>
> Any thoughts?
>
>
>
> --
> s/v MaryMe
> 1975 C 24
> Labelle, FL USA
> Amateur Radio WD4RCC
>


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Stus-List Re: hard dodger

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

That's impressive!  I'd like to see a photo of it on the boat.


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On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 12:51 AM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I doubt I could afford a custom hard dodger, but check out the design and
> workmanship on this one.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9epq1fO2S8I
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Confession Time - "Dark Side"...not so dark

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Congrats!  Looks like  a really comfy ride!

Joel

On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 3:00 PM David Risch via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> We have sold the family home and purchased *Rogue* aka “The Beast”
> (Gulfstar 49 MY) and are living aboard her in Florida.  Specific location
> will change every few months as we determine where to next buy dirt.
>
>
>
> Fear not as we have not sold our beloved *Corsair* which will remain in
> Marion and be our home base in the summer as we continue to peruse New
> England.
>
>
>
> If others are thinking of doing the same, feel free to ask questions.  I
> will not tell anyone…promise.
>
>
>
>
>
> David F. Risch
>
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Stus-List Re: Winter Sailing Heaven

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Joe,

Sounds awesome!
Our new boat came from Newport Beach, where they have to keep sea lions off
the boats.  The PO rigged an electrified cattle wire after a sea lion
destroyed the bimini.  Birds are a PIA, but it could be worse!

Joel

On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 8:16 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> We decided to head out Saturday for a bit and we got what has to be one of
> the best December sailing days ever. The wind was cranking from the south
> to the point gale warnings were up for the area. My marina is on the north
> side of the island, so we got a great breeze, flat water, and upper 60s
> temperatures for a wonderful day sail back and forth along the north shore
> of the island. Sometimes life is good 
>
> Life isn’t perfect though, step 1 was dragging the hose out and washing
> off all the presents the birds left. For some reason they love roosting on
> the boat in winter. I need to string up all my anti-bird stuff.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] mounting chart plotter at helm

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I have a RAM mount on the pedestal guard, but rarely rotate the plotter.

Joel

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 8:33 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have a plotter at the helm of my 35 MK I. It faces aft, if I want to
> navigate from forward, like I do about 90% of the time, I look at the
> computer on the chart table or SeaIQ/Navionics on my iPad.
> If I rotated the helm plotter sideways I think the mainsheet would get it.
>
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina
> 73 C 35 MK I
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bob Mann via CnC-List 
> Sent: Thursday, December 2, 2021 8:21 PM
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Bob Mann 
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List mounting chart plotter at helm
>
> I was going to put another instrument display at the helm of my 35 mk I,
> but realized a chartplotter was only a couple hundred more so went that
> route.
>
> Any suggestions on how to mount it to my Edson pedestal so I can rotate it
> sideways, for easy viewing from the coaming? I rarely steer from behind the
> wheel so I want to see it from the sides.  The pedestal is about the same
> height as the wheel (not my boat, but similar setup. I don't have the top
> tray): https://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/17/14/05/22/2012-110.jpg)
>
> The chartplotter is the B Vulcan 9.
>
> regards,
> Bob Mann
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Stus-List Re: Rudder shaft play

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

John,

IIRC The Office had speakers back there instead of access plates.  If I
removed them I could reach 3 of the 4 the nuts on the underside of the
cockpit.  Minimized the time in the lazarette.

Joel

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 12:33 PM John Read via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> So I believe we have a plan.  After discussions with other C owners
> whose rudderpost arrangement is similar the culprit is the stainless plate
> bolted to the cockpit floor.  It has a bronze bushing through which the
> rudder post passes.  That plays a significant role in keeping the shaft in
> alignment.  Over time it wears and enlarges, allowing the top of the shaft
> to move.  The fix is to support the rudder while on the hard, remove the
> donut nut, then remove the plate which may entail lots of boat yoga under
> the deck as the nuts are extremely close to the steering quadrant.  Take
> the plate to a machine shop and have them remove the old bearing and press
> in a new bronze / oil bushing with ID closely matching shaft OD.  Reverse
> the process to install.
>
>
>
> It was suggested to cut an access hole and install an inspection plate in
> the vertical face behind the helm seat to improve access to the steering
> system.  Any words of wisdom from the group?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John Read
>
> Legacy III
>
> 1982 C 34
>
> Noank, CT
>
>
>
> *From:* Joel Delamirande [mailto:joel.delamira...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 20, 2021 6:16 PM
> *To:* Stus-List
> *Cc:* John Read
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Rudder shaft play
>
>
>
> This should be interesting I have to do mine
>
> On a 30 mk1  if anyone have experience
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 6:09 PM John Read via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> After 40 years the rudder now has a bit of play laterally and fore and
> aft.  Bottom of rudder can be moved less than an inch in all directions.
> Not bad but should be addressed.  This also is most likely causing the leak
> through the shaft where it penetrates the deck fitting causing the donut to
> be not true to the stainless plate on the cockpit floor.  The design is
> very simple – shaft rides inside tube (with grease) that is glassed into
> hull, shaft is open from top of tube to bottom of cockpit floor to allow
> steering quadrant , shaft goes through hole in cockpit floor, through
> stainless bearing plate on top of cockpit floor, through delrin washer,
> then shaft is threaded and donut installed that rides on delrin washer.
>
> My initial thought is to machine a delrin bearing and washer that would
> fill the small gap between the shaft and hole in the bearing plate /
> cockpit floor but wanted to inquire if anyone else has had similar issues
> or thoughts
>
>
>
> John Read
>
> Legacy III
>
> 1982 C 34
>
> Noank, CT
>
>
>
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>
> --
>
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>
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>
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>
>
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Stus-List Re: Stuff for sale

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Sounds good.  My PayPal email is joel.aron...@gmail.com

On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 12:33 PM Steve Thomas  wrote:

>
> Hi Joel,
>
> I would like to buy the ST60 speed and wind.
>
> I can pay you via PayPal most easily.
>
> I will be out until later today, but I want that, and will give you a
> Florida address to ship it to later.
>
> $250 US right?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve Thomas
>
> C MKI
>
> C MKIII
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: joel.aron...@gmail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2021 11:13 AM
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Stuff for sale
>
> sorry, sailatlan...@gmail.com
>
> On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 10:56 AM Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I've got the following instruments for sale:
>>
>> B Network (NMEA 183) ,Depth Speed, Wind & Compass.
>>
>> Ray ST60 Tridata, speed and wind (with broken terminal)
>>
>> Asking $200 each for the working instruments, $50 for the ST60 wind with
>> domestic shipping.
>>
>> Ten percent goes to Stu.
>>
>> Email me at sailatlantis.com if interested. Photos available.
>>
>> Joel
>>
>> --
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>>
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>> Stu
>
>
>
> --
> Joel
>
> --
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>
>
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Stuff for sale

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

sorry, sailatlan...@gmail.com

On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 10:56 AM Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I've got the following instruments for sale:
>
> B Network (NMEA 183) ,Depth Speed, Wind & Compass.
>
> Ray ST60 Tridata, speed and wind (with broken terminal)
>
> Asking $200 each for the working instruments, $50 for the ST60 wind with
> domestic shipping.
>
> Ten percent goes to Stu.
>
> Email me at sailatlantis.com if interested.  Photos available.
>
> Joel
>
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>
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Stus-List Stuff for sale

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I've got the following instruments for sale:

B Network (NMEA 183) ,Depth Speed, Wind & Compass.

Ray ST60 Tridata, speed and wind (with broken terminal)

Asking $200 each for the working instruments, $50 for the ST60 wind with
domestic shipping.

Ten percent goes to Stu.

Email me at sailatlantis.com if interested.  Photos available.

Joel

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Stus-List Re: Garboard

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I had one installed on The Office. It probably wasn't necessary, in
Annapolis,
If you install one, screw in a short pipe nipple so the water does not run
down the keel.

On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 9:26 AM Tom Sancton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Looking at putting a garboard on my 35 mark 3. Has anyone done this?
> Looking at leaving my mast up but concerned about water entering the boat
> through the mast.
>
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Stus-List Re: Haul Out Question

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Attached to forstay

On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 8:44 AM Brian Morrison via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello CnCers,
>
> I’m hauling out for the winter at a new boat yard. I’m having the mast
> pulled to do some work. I’ve never pulled the mast with the furling drum. I
> was wondering if the drum stays attached to the forestay, remains on the
> bow or is completely removed. Appreciate any responses.
>
> Thanks
> Brian C. Morrison
> 1979 C 34
> Rekofa
> Fells Point, MD
>
> On Nov 12, 2021, at 3:35 PM, Matthew via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
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Stus-List Re: Source for sheaves

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Try these guys:

http://riggingonly.com/sheaves04.htm

Joel

On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 3:13 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List 
wrote:

> https://www.rigrite.com/
>
> https://www.zephyrwerks.com/
> --
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 1:58 PM Rod Stright via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I am looking for some 2” sheaves for the end of my boom (4).  I believe
>> the old ones were Delrin or some sort of plastic and the sun took its
>> tool.  I believe someone had a very good source for sheaves on the list.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rod Stright
>>
>> Halifax
>>
>
>
>
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Stus-List Re: C 121 in a pickle

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Randy is not on his boat (Grenadine).  Don't know the name of the boat he
is on.

Joel

On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 2:03 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/rally/2021-sdsa-caribbean-rally/
>
>
>
> No Grenadine shows up, but two Calypsos do. One is making 5 knots and the
> other is in Marsh Harbor.
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina C 35 MK I
>
> Kent Island MD USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 9, 2021 1:16 PM
> *To:* CnClist 
> *Cc:* Dennis C. 
> *Subject:* Stus-List C 121 in a pickle
>
>
>
> Early this morning, I got a text from Randy Stafford (S/V Grenadine) of
> this list.  He is helping bring a boat from Newport to USVI.  The text was
> apparently from the delivery skipper's GPS tracker.
>
>
>
> A friend of the delivery skipper is helping sail a C 121 to Antigua.  It
> was in the Salty Dogs Rally.  They lost their forestay and are limping
> along.  Last position 26' 36"N 66' 32"W.  Randy's boat was at 26' 53"N 61'
> 41"W.  They may try to donate some fuel if they get close.
>
>
>
> Anyway, the C 121 is S/V Calypso.  Google turns up a blog.
> http://svcalypso52726.blogspot.com/  Homeport Mount Sinai, NY.  Don't
> know if this is the boat.
>
>
>
> Any lister familiar with this 121?
>
>
>
> --
>
> Dennis C.
>
> Touche' 35-1 #83
>
> Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: Main halyard shackle

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Is it a J shackle?
https://www.westmarine.com/buy/tylaska-marine-hardware--j-lock-j8-shackle--11830239

Are you tightening by hand or using a tool to tighten?

On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 9:39 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> A snap shackle on a halyard is not likely to fit through a headboard, or
> in my case where there is a snap shackle spliced on the jib halyard, I
> flipped it sideways (not used) and put a regular shackle on B/C the snap
> shackle won’t fit through the roller furler casting. I think snap shackles
> are mostly intended to be attached to a sail ring.
>
> If you have a snap shackle on the main halyard, you may likely have a
> regular shackle on your headboard, which of course will work. Just lowers
> your main a couple inches.
>
> Not sure why you take the halyard off every time?
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> Entrada, Erie, PA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* David Knecht via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 09, 2021 7:52 AM
> *To:* CnC CnC discussion list
> *Cc:* David Knecht
> *Subject:* Stus-List Main halyard shackle
>
>
>
> My boat came with a main halyard shackle of a type I have never seen
> anywhere else.  It has a pivoting arm that swings up after inserting
> through the headboard and secured with a threaded pin.  It has worked fine
> for years and easy to remove and attach, which I do routinely when done
> sailing for the day.  Recently, I twice found it nearly completely
> unscrewed after a day of rough weather sailing, and that is concerning.  I
> don’t want to lose the halyard up the mast.  I am considering replacing it
> this winter with a standard snap shackle of the sort used on my genoa
> halyard.  I looked at a rigging company web site and they used snap
> shackles for genoa halyards and pin shackles for main halyards.  The logic
> of that escapes me.   On my boat, I take down the roller furling genoa only
> a few times a season while the main halyard is detached every time I go
> sailing.  I have no idea what the forces are on the main halyard but I
> would not think much greater than the genoa.  Any words of wisdom, or
> reason not to use a snap shackle for the main?  Thanks- Dave
>
>
>
> David Knecht
>
> S/V Aries
>
> 1990 C 34+
>
> New London, CT
>
>
>
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Bermuda return crew 2022

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Sounds good

On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 7:35 PM Joel Delamirande via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I would do it no experience yet
> Not afraid of bad weather
> Keep in mind
>
> On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 7:05 PM dwight veinot via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Good luck
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 2:34 PM Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> Our new to us Hylas 49 arrived from California by truck yesterday.  She
>>> is well equipped, with a generator, watermaker, SSB, sat phone and all the
>>> required safety gear.  She'll have new standing rigging and electronics by
>>> spring.
>>>
>>> We will be doing the Annapolis Bermuda race on her, and once again I'm
>>> looking for return crew with some offshore experience.
>>>
>>> We will depart Bermuda around June 17.  It is a 5 day passage (4 if you
>>> get off in Norfolk).I pay for provisions, you pay for transportation.
>>>
>>> If interested, email me at joel.aron...@gmail.com.
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
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>>
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Stus-List Bermuda return crew 2022

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

All,

Our new to us Hylas 49 arrived from California by truck yesterday.  She is
well equipped, with a generator, watermaker, SSB, sat phone and all the
required safety gear.  She'll have new standing rigging and electronics by
spring.

We will be doing the Annapolis Bermuda race on her, and once again I'm
looking for return crew with some offshore experience.

We will depart Bermuda around June 17.  It is a 5 day passage (4 if you get
off in Norfolk).I pay for provisions, you pay for transportation.

If interested, email me at joel.aron...@gmail.com.

Joel
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Cockpit Floor Grating for a 34

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Whitecap Marine sells the wood pieces.

Joel

On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 1:05 PM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I had one on a previous boat and they are really good dirt collectors!
>
> Make sure it fits so you can pick it up.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> *From:* Al Serrato via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 26, 2021 12:27 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Al Serrato 
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Cockpit Floor Grating for a 34
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
>
>
> I'm thinking about adding a teak (or trex) cockpit grating to my 1981 C
> 34.
>
>
>
> Does anyone know where I could find a kit for assembly that would fit the
> contours of the cockpit? Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Al Serrato
>
> *Senza Fine*
>
> San Francisco Bay
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Stus-List Re: Bottom Paints Again

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Petit sells one.  Probably more expensive but effective too.

On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 8:59 AM dwight veinot via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks. Is that the one that works. I had a ton of little white barnacle
> on my prop and prop shat at haul out. I don’t think the prop would have
> driven the boat. I had to get a tow to the marina for hail out because of
> another reason ( did not get my wet exhaust fixed in time) so I don’t know
> for sure if I could got there with auxiliary power. I am anxious to try
> zinc paint next season
>
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 7:10 AM Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Krylon makes a zinc galvanizing paint that you can find on most hardware
>> store spray paint shelves.
>>
>> Andrew Burton
>> 26 Beacon Hill
>> 
>> Newport, RI
>> 
>>
>> USA
>> 
>>  02840
>> 
>>
>> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>> +401 965-5260
>>
>> On Oct 26, 2021, at 06:06, dwight veinot via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Where do you get “zinc paint”?
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 11:40 PM Alan Liles via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Here in Vancouver, my boat guru suggested zinc paint for the prop and
>>> shaft. I wasn’t too sure but now I’ve seen several yards using it. My prop
>>> and shaft come out of the water (yearly) without hard growth on them. I’m
>>> sold.
>>>
>>> Al Liles
>>> SV Elendil, C 37/40+
>>> Vancouver BC
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 25, 2021, at 2:37 PM, John and Maryann Read via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Second Petit Prop Paint.  One must be careful with copper based paint on
>>> stainless and bronze running gear;
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John and Maryann (dec’d 7/18/2021)
>>>
>>> Legacy III
>>>
>>> 1982 C 34
>>>
>>> Noank, CT
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Neil Andersen via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 25, 2021 3:52 PM
>>> *To:* Stus-List
>>> *Cc:* Neil Andersen
>>> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Bottom Paints Again
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I use Petit prop paint with good results
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Neil Andersen
>>>
>>> 1982 Ca& C 32, FoxFire
>>>
>>> Rock Hall, MD 21661
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From:* Dean McNeill via CnC-List 
>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 25, 2021 3:36 PM
>>> *To:* Stus-List
>>> *Cc:* Dean McNeill
>>> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Bottom Paints Again
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> First full season for me with my C 34 and I used Interlux Micron CSC,
>>> as that’s what the previous owner ’thought’ was on it when I bought it. A
>>> good friend has also used it on his Tartan 3700 for years with good
>>> results.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I used 2 to 3 coats after a light sanding of the previous coat(s) and it
>>> has worked very well. Five months moored in the Northwest Arm in Halifax NS
>>> and it was surprisingly super clean when it came out at end of season… a
>>> little green scum in places but that’s it! Stainless prop shaft was caked
>>> with barnacles and growth, so I’m guessing bottom paint worked great where
>>> it was applied!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone  coat their stainless prop shaft (or brass folding prop)
>>> with bottom paint?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dean
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>
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Stus-List Re: Electric Bilge Pump

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I’ve had the fuse holder fail on those switches!  Bypass the fuse to test
it

On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 11:40 AM Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Rob,
>
> Did your pump work on "Manual" in the past?  Meaning it is wired
> correctly?  If so, the "Manual" position on the switch just bypasses the
> float switch so there must be a break in that circuit from the switch to
> the pump somewhere, perhaps a corroded connection.  Start with a
> voltmeter (or a test lamp) on the back of the switch to see if there is
> power at the terminal on the back of the switch for the "Manual" side when
> the switch is in "Manual".  If so, then follow the wire to the next
> junction and test it there., and so on.  If there is no power at the back
> of the switch in "Manual, but there is power on teh "Auto" side when in the
> "Auto" position, then your switch is bad.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Ken H.
>
> On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 at 10:51, Robert Abbott via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> My electric bilge pump has 3 settings, Auto (with a float to activate),
>> Off, and Manual.  I turned on the Manual setting and the pump didn't
>> come on.   It does work in the Auto settingif I fill the bilge to
>> lift the float or raise it by hand, the pump works.
>>
>> Since and I am no electrician, any ideas where to look for the problem?
>>
>> Rob Abbott
>> AZURA
>> C 32 - #277
>> Halifax, N.S.
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Stus-List Re: Used spinnaker

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Fred
I was able to get a chute in 4 weeks from National Sail Supply. About 1/3
price of North

Joel

On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 4:37 PM Fred Hazzard via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Yesterday my 3/4 oz. chute exploded in a big wind.
> Now I am looking for a used replacement. Lead time to get a new one more
> than 6 months.
> So,if there are any C 44 listers out there with a chute to sell, I am
> interested.
> Fred Hazzard
> C 44
> S/V Fury
> Portland Or
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Stus-List Re: leeward layline

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Here's another way to think about it:

You are sailing 140 degrees off the wind, or 40 degrees form DDW.  Gybe
when the bearing to the mark will allow you to turn 80 degrees.  (I can't
tell you how many times I get impatient and gybe too soon because I don't
follow this method)

Joel

On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 12:50 PM Jeff Nelson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Mike,
> You know that all Helms and Tacticians expect the crew to be America's Cup
> experts.
> I guess that's why the Foredeck Union came into being.
> :-)
>
> Cheers,
>Jeff Nelson
>Muir Caileag
>C 30 - 0549
>Armdale Yacht Club
>
> On 2021-10-06 1:42 p.m., Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Hi Bob
>
>
>
> If you are happy with your speed on current angle then gybe when true wind
> angle is the same on the opposite gybe.  Sure sounds simple but most of us
> gybe too late or too early.
>
>
>
> Too early on a light wind day means that you will end up sailing deeper
> and slower than you intended or performing extra gybes.
>
>
>
> Too late on a breezy day means that you will end up with wind more forward
> than you would prefer and perhaps have a bit of a sporty approach to the
> mark
>
>
>
> And of course contrary to what most tacticians and drivers like to think
> gybing does involve sail handling and a potential for error.  This can be
> detrimental to boat speed since not all gybes are performed equally and
> some can in fact be very amusing to your competitors.  This fact is why
> there is a Foredeck Union
>
>
>
> Mike Hoyt
>
> Persistence
>
> Halifax, NS
>
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Stus-List Re: Perfect boat

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

The "perfect boat" does not exist.  It could always be a little
bigger/smaller, roomier, have more storage and tankage, be faster and more
stable.
My Pearson 28 was a great starter boat/overnighter.  My C 35/3 was an
awesome boat, but small for offshore.
My Hylas 44 is a great offshore boat with an aft queen that is great
in-port, good sea berths, good tankage, extremely stable in a blow.
The Hylas 49 adds more storage, larger cockpit and a sugar scoop to the
attributes of the 44.  By neither is a light air boat, and neither points
like a C  But as they say, gentlemen don't sail to windward.

Joel


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On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 10:59 AM T Sutton via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Interesting choice and glad to hear I’m not the only one.  I had a 25 Mk I
> then a 33 MkII C/B and after a number of weeks spent each summer in the
> North Channel of Lake Huron and a few passages in less than ideal
> conditions I started looking for a 37+ which I thought would be the ideal
> boat but after looking at a few I decided it was just too big for myself
> and the Admiral especially considering that we have to pull our masts and
> boats every fall and put them back together in the spring and the option of
> paying to have it done doesn’t exist unless I change harbours.  So I
> thought the 34+ would be a better fit and then I came across the Saga 35
> which promised the speed of a 37+ in a package more the size of a 34+ and
> it is made by the some of the same craftsmen as C  Long story short, I
> now have a Saga 35 but still not perfect and I’m not even sure if it is any
> better than the 34+ would be.  Bottom line, there is no such thing as the
> perfect boat but there are a number of C’s that come as close as one can
> hope for especially for the price and considering the newest ones are now a
> quarter century old and some of the classics more than half a century.  The
> sailing community owes a lot to the two Georges, three if you include Mr.
> Hinterhoeller.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tom S
>
> *From:* John Conklin via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:19 AM
> *To:* Stus-List
> *Cc:* John Conklin
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Perfect boat
>
> I am liking the SAGA 43
>
> John Conklin
> S/V Halcyon
> S/V Heartbeat
>
> On Sep 30, 2021, at 6:56 AM, Joel Delamirande via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Off shore cruising boat kraken amel maybe a C
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 9:50 PM Doug via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>> I am sitting on Rebecca Leah with fellow C owner Jacob Fuerst.  We are
>> discussing the perfect boat. What is the perfect cruising boat? What is the
>> perfect weekender? Perfect race boat? If you commissioned a one off boat
>> would it be the perfect boat?
>>
>> Just asking
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>>
>> Doug Mountjoy
>> sv Rebecca Leah
>> C & C Landfall 39
>> Port Orchard Yacht Club
>> Port Orchard, WA
>>
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Stus-List Re: Bow Repair

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Sorry Kato marine

On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 11:05 AM Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Kari Marine in Annapolis
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 8:45 AM Brian Morrison via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I had an unfortunate encounter with a buoy and my 1979 C 34 suffered
>> pretty severe damage to the bow. The chain plate for the forestay was bent
>> and needs to be replaced. There is some fiberglass repair needed as well.
>> I’m thinking of fixing it myself. Anyone know where I can get a chain
>> plate/backing plate from. And, advice on repairing the fiberglass. I’m
>> located in Baltimore, MD. See pics attached.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Brian
>>
>>
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Stus-List Re: Bow Repair

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Kari Marine in Annapolis

On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 8:45 AM Brian Morrison via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I had an unfortunate encounter with a buoy and my 1979 C 34 suffered
> pretty severe damage to the bow. The chain plate for the forestay was bent
> and needs to be replaced. There is some fiberglass repair needed as well.
> I’m thinking of fixing it myself. Anyone know where I can get a chain
> plate/backing plate from. And, advice on repairing the fiberglass. I’m
> located in Baltimore, MD. See pics attached.
>
> Thanks
> Brian
>
>
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Stus-List Re: In search of Barient 17 self tailing winch retaining nut

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

ARCO.


On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 12:03 AM Doug via CnC-List 
wrote:

> There is an outfit in Australia that has spare parts for barient and
> Barlow winches. The name escapes me..
>
>
>
> Doug Mountjoy
> sv Rebecca Leah
> C & C Landfall 39
> Port Orchard Yacht Club
> Port Orchard, WA
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: "Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List" 
> Date: 9/20/21 17:28 (GMT-08:00)
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: "Lisle Kingery, PhD" 
> Subject: Stus-List In search of Barient 17 self tailing winch retaining
> nut
>
> Any chance anyone knows of somewhere I might be able to find a Barient 17
> st winch retaining nut, the one on the top of the winch. I lost mine today
> unfortunately when I pulled on the jib sheet and the darn thing was loose
> and fell overboard. Been scouring the internet with not much luck so
> thought I would check with the list.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lisle
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Stus-List Re: anyone gone lithium?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Sterling makes an alternator protector.  I think Peter Kennedy sells them.

Joel

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 9:27 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> My batteries are about shot and I am thinking of going to lithium
> batteries. I have to say I thought I knew this stuff and it seems massively
> confusing with a ton of directly contradictory information. One big issue
> seems that if the BMS disconnects for any reason, that will do a lot of
> damage to your alternator and perhaps other equipment too. Add to that my
> regulator does not have a specific lithium setting, I would need to get
> into the custom menus and try and make one.
>
> What seems to be the best bet is just to connect the alternator to the
> start battery and use a DC-DC charger to charge the lithium bank. Some of
> them also take solar input, so that saves me buying a solar controller with
> lithium settings, which is something else I don’t currently have.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
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Stus-List Re: Boat Donation to Charity?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Klingon

On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 2:50 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Ed – gotta ask – is there a dead body in the boat? Core saturated? Seems
> like a nice boat.
>
>
>
> *From:* Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 11, 2021 1:16 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Edd Schillay 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Boat Donation to Charity?
>
>
>
> Listers,
>
>
>
> Any suggestions on a good charity to donate a boat to? Preferably one that
> will actually use the boat instead of selling it for charity funds (Fair
> market value deduction)
>
>
>
> It looks like things are moving forward with the next Enterprise and I’d
> like to avoid paying two insurance and slip bills.
>
>
>
> (Meaning: Yes, I will sell this boat for dirt cheap at this point. Bring
> offers!)
>
>
> All the best,
>
>
>
> Edd
>
>
>
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
>
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
>
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Boat Donation to Charity?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

There are huge tax differences between donating to a charity that sells her
and one who uses her for: years before selling her. You want the later.

Joel

On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 1:55 PM John McCrea via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Sea Scouts in CT would take her and use the boat not sell it. Copying a
> club member involved in the program.
>
> John McCrea
> Talisman
> 1979 36
> Mystic, CT
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 11, 2021, at 1:44 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Edd, I got my boat from Mass Maritime. Good bunch and I suspect they
> would be very glad to get a boat like yours.  Ian MacLeod is the contact
> there.
>
> Andy
>
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> 
> Newport, RI
> 
>
> USA
> 
>  02840
> 
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
> On Sep 11, 2021, at 11:15, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Listers,
>
> Any suggestions on a good charity to donate a boat to? Preferably one that
> will actually use the boat instead of selling it for charity funds (Fair
> market value deduction)
>
> It looks like things are moving forward with the next Enterprise and I’d
> like to avoid paying two insurance and slip bills.
>
> (Meaning: Yes, I will sell this boat for dirt cheap at this point. Bring
> offers!)
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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