[FDOM 080927] Modem jokes on SIM entries
Hi list, I'm running the latest FDOM (20080927) but still have a very annoying problem: my SIM-card is not read with regard to the address entries. If I go to the Contacts, there is only written Loading SIM on top, but nothing shows. IIRC, this was no problem in ASU_0807. Is there any way I can debug that to see where it stops? With the SIM not being loaded, I can neither call, nor receive calls, nor suspend. Or shall I do a binary search to see whether it's a special entry that causes this? Thank you for any hint you may give me, Linus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Where are actions configured for buttons in FSO?
Am Montag, den 29.09.2008, 20:18 -0400 schrieb digger vermont: On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 22:10 +0200, Johny Tenfinger wrote: Listen to dbus signals. dbus is a power of fso framerork :) Happy hacking ;) Yeah, I'm all for frameworkd! Problem is as far as I can see it's not currently being used to configure the PWR button, at least as far as I can see. So what is currently telling the PWR button to suspend if it is pressed for 3(?) seconds? Zhone is doing that currently. Gonna have to defeat that before I can use frameworkd and dbus to control it. Right. I have started removing functionality out of Zhone to the rules file, so that it's much more customizable and will work every time -- no matter if a UI or which UI is running. I will soon move the suspend functionality into the rules files as well -- unfortunately resume is broken in the current kernels, so this has to wait a bit. The problem is (and this is the reason why I'm crossposting this to the kernel mailing list), the kernel is not swallowing the power button presses that triggers the resume, so you need some real programming (as opposed to the expressional complexity of our rules) in order to prevent falling asleep right after resume. Kernel-guys, can we change that? :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] installing lint-wifi
This is an old friend bug luckily easy to solve. edit the /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py file go to line 82 and add an underscore at the beginnig of the init() then it must looks like _init() thats all. Some one will fix this some day in the OE repositorie Regards David Samblas El mar, 30-09-2008 a las 07:27 +0200, Matthias Apitz escribió: Hello, I've tried to install 'lint-wifi' following the Wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Lint-wifi fetched lint-wifi_0.1_armv4t.ipk and later because of missing gtk for python in addition python-pygtk_2.10.4-ml7_armv4t.opk (btw: what is the difference between *.ipk and *.opk ?) installing python-pygtk_2.10.4-ml7_armv4t.opk fetched some dependencies: # opkg install python-pygtk_2.10.4-ml7_armv4t.opk Multiple packages (python-pygtk and python-pygtk) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Installing python-pygtk (2.10.4-ml7) to root... Installing python-shell (2.5.2-ml0) to root... Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/python-shell_2.5.2-ml0_armv4t.opk Installing python-pycairo (1.4.0-ml1) to root... Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/python-pycairo_1.4.0-ml1_armv4t.opk Installing python-pygobject (2.12.3-r3) to root... Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/python-pygobject_2.12.3-r3_armv4t.opk Installing libglade-2.0-0 (2.6.2-r2) to root... Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/libglade-2.0-0_2.6.2-r2_armv4t.opk Configuring libglade-2.0-0 Configuring python-pycairo Configuring python-pygobject Configuring python-pygtk Configuring python-shell [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# but launching 'lint-wifi.py' fails with: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# lint-wifi.py Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/bin/lint-wifi.py, line 9, in module import gtk, os File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py, line 82, in module init() NameError: name 'init' is not defined Any idea what I have done wrong? Thx matthias ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WIFI Connector Application
On Friday 26 September 2008 19:18:43 Matthias Apitz wrote: I've typed in the key in the FR again and again but it always said after some time 'ERROR Unable to join network' Yeah, it looks like there is quite a bit of separation between all the different facilities. The 'Settings-Wifi' GUI sort of works. If you select a network and enter a key (I've only tried WPA-PSK-TKIP), switch to a terminal, wait for the wireless indicator to appear and then issue 'udhcpc eth0', it all works. The error has always appeared for me but the facility has still worked. Better yet, the latest testing update seems to allow the wireless indicator to disappear when you select wireless off. This is with no wpa_supplicant.conf. Manually launching wpa_supplicant is trivial for debugging, just bump up the verbosity and omit the '-B'. I get the impression that a lot of the facilities haven't yet been configured to utilise any one particular network management scheme ... heard of resolvconf? ;) Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: Where are actions configured for buttons in FSO?
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Am Montag, den 29.09.2008, 20:18 -0400 schrieb digger vermont: Yeah, I'm all for frameworkd! Problem is as far as I can see it's not currently being used to configure the PWR button, at least as far as I can see. So what is currently telling the PWR button to suspend if it is pressed for 3(?) seconds? Zhone is doing that currently. Slightly on the topic... I was wondering about that too, since I don't really agree with the way the buttons/LEDs are currently used on 2008.X We only have 2 buttons, so letting AUX be LOCK seems like a real waste of functionality for me. LOCK can be done ether automaticly or via a GUI menu and it doesn't have to be accessible through a single key press. It would be much better if AUX brought up a utility menu like on Qtopia. This could include some nice-to-have stuff like a task-manager ... and maybe a LOCK option. /Peter ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTK: Problem with the function g_main_context_iteration()
Yes, I added the #include glib.h but I have the 1.2.10 version is that the problem? Can you say to me how to update glib? Thanks so much!!! Charles-Henri Gros wrote: daniel103 wrote: Hello, when I have included the folowing line: g_main_context_iteration (NULL, TRUE); I recieve the error: ...implicit declaration of function 'g_main_context_iteration'... Can you help me? Add a #include glib.h ? -- Charles-Henri ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/GTK%3A-Problem-with-the-function-g_main_context_iteration%28%29-tp1125904p1128198.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: Where are actions configured for buttons in FSO?
Am Dienstag, den 30.09.2008, 09:05 +0200 schrieb Peter Mogensen: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Am Montag, den 29.09.2008, 20:18 -0400 schrieb digger vermont: Yeah, I'm all for frameworkd! Problem is as far as I can see it's not currently being used to configure the PWR button, at least as far as I can see. So what is currently telling the PWR button to suspend if it is pressed for 3(?) seconds? Zhone is doing that currently. Slightly on the topic... I was wondering about that too, since I don't really agree with the way the buttons/LEDs are currently used on 2008.X We only have 2 buttons, so letting AUX be LOCK seems like a real waste of functionality for me. LOCK can be done ether automaticly or via a GUI menu and it doesn't have to be accessible through a single key press. Agreed. See http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/72 It would be much better if AUX brought up a utility menu like on Qtopia. This could include some nice-to-have stuff like a task-manager ... and maybe a LOCK option. Yep. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: email
On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:36:02 +0800 W.Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] (WK) wrote: Tried it - at the small screen setting and smallest I could set font the email got only 2 -3 words per line! Almost useless. Rather than have something adapted from the PC world, we need something designed for a PDA. e.g., Palms Versamail gets quite a panning in general, but its still far better than anything Ive yet tried on the FR :( Mutt or pine in a console might be a better choice, but have not seen a package for them yet. the problem with console clients is the keyboard. unless we are able to have either graffiti or translucent keyboard, this is going to be an issue... -- Petr Vaněk http://biodynamika.cz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: email
2008/9/30 W.Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Cant handle 6-7000 messages going back 5 years (I regard this as medium, 5+ is large :) You may like to check the archives of the maemo-developers mailing list. There were similar discussions recently there, and IIRC with possible solutions. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
Hello, I'm using the Wifi-method described in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi#Using_WPA_and_.2Fetc.2Fnetwork.2Finterfaces i.e. having a working config file /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf for all my known access points (which is just a copy of that I'm using daily and stable in my two FreeBSD based laptops); and I'm trying to bring up the eth0 with # ifup eth0 this works very unreliable; in (let's say) 8 of 10 cases it can't associate to the AP, even not after fresh re-boots and independently if the AP at my home works with WEP or in my office with WPA; what can I do? is someone willing to look into the debug output of the wpa_supplicant? or do I need somehow an update in the kernel drivers? I've installed as well lint-wifi; this does not even see the AP next door and to which I'm now after 2-3 tries connected too; strange, isn't it? there must be something broken in kernel land, I think; or should I file a bug track report? Thx for a helping hand matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 11:06 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: Hello, I'm using the Wifi-method described in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi#Using_WPA_and_.2Fetc.2Fnetwork.2Finterfaces i.e. having a working config file /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf for all my known access points (which is just a copy of that I'm using daily and stable in my two FreeBSD based laptops); and I'm trying to bring up the eth0 with # ifup eth0 this works very unreliable; in (let's say) 8 of 10 cases it can't associate to the AP, even not after fresh re-boots and independently if the AP at my home works with WEP or in my office with WPA; I found that, for WEP networking, the only working way is to manually configure the interface: iwconfig eth0 key yourkeyhere iwconfig eth0 essid yourssidhere udhcpc eth0 And even then, it's not guaranteed to work, or if it works, it won't for long. HTH, Xav ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Looking for Debug board owner in The Netherlands
Hello, My FR suffers from the factory defect that my NOR is blank. I need a debug board to program it which I don't have and don't want to pay €100 just to use once. I am looking for someone who can help me, preferably around Eindhoven. Here is the deal: - I bring my FR, laptop and necessary software. - You bring the board. - I treat you a lunch while we flash my NOR. Note: Non Dutch-speaker Happy Hacking -- - Bu mesaj UTF-8 ile kodlanmıştır - Atilla Filiz Technische Universiteit Eindhoven Embedded Systems, Master's Programme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: email
I would think the existing keyboards would still work as they already do in the console ... BillK On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 10:12 +0200, Petr Vanek wrote: On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:36:02 +0800 W.Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] (WK) wrote: Tried it - at the small screen setting and smallest I could set font the email got only 2 -3 words per line! Almost useless. Rather than have something adapted from the PC world, we need something designed for a PDA. e.g., Palms Versamail gets quite a panning in general, but its still far better than anything Ive yet tried on the FR :( Mutt or pine in a console might be a better choice, but have not seen a package for them yet. the problem with console clients is the keyboard. unless we are able to have either graffiti or translucent keyboard, this is going to be an issue... -- Petr Vaněk http://biodynamika.cz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Looking for Debug board owner in The Netherlands
On Tuesday 30 September 2008 11:33:42 Atilla Filiz wrote: Hello, My FR suffers from the factory defect that my NOR is blank. I need a debug board to program it which I don't have and don't want to pay €100 just to use once. I am looking for someone who can help me, preferably around Eindhoven. Here is the deal: - I bring my FR, laptop and necessary software. - You bring the board. - I treat you a lunch while we flash my NOR. I do have a debug board that came with the neo1973. I don't know if it is compatible with the freerunner? I do live in Eindhoven though. Marijn Kruisselbrink ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: email
s/console/terminal/ :) BillK On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 17:35 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: I would think the existing keyboards would still work as they already do in the console ... BillK On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 10:12 +0200, Petr Vanek wrote: On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:36:02 +0800 W.Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] (WK) wrote: Tried it - at the small screen setting and smallest I could set font the email got only 2 -3 words per line! Almost useless. Rather than have something adapted from the PC world, we need something designed for a PDA. e.g., Palms Versamail gets quite a panning in general, but its still far better than anything Ive yet tried on the FR :( Mutt or pine in a console might be a better choice, but have not seen a package for them yet. the problem with console clients is the keyboard. unless we are able to have either graffiti or translucent keyboard, this is going to be an issue... -- Petr Vaněk http://biodynamika.cz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 11:42 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote:
El día Tuesday, September 30, 2008 a las 11:28:18AM +0200, Xavier Bestel
escribió:
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 11:06 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote:
Hello,
I'm using the Wifi-method described in
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi#Using_WPA_and_.2Fetc.2Fnetwork.2Finterfaces
i.e. having a working config file /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
for all my known access points (which is just a copy of that I'm using
daily and stable in my two FreeBSD based laptops); and I'm trying to bring
up the eth0 with
# ifup eth0
this works very unreliable; in (let's say) 8 of 10 cases it can't
associate to the AP, even not after fresh re-boots and independently if
the AP at my home works with WEP or in my office with WPA;
I found that, for WEP networking, the only working way is to manually
configure the interface:
iwconfig eth0 key yourkeyhere
iwconfig eth0 essid yourssidhere
udhcpc eth0
As I said, with WEP at home I have had it working today morning (sometimes)
with:
# cat /etc/network/interfaces
...
iface eth0 inet dhcp
wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
up route del default gw 192.168.0.200
down route add default gw 192.168.0.200
# cat /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
...
eapol_version=1
ap_scan=1
fast_reauth=1
network={
ssid=tarara
scan_ssid=0
key_mgmt=NONE
wep_tx_keyidx=0
wep_key0=
}
and then the eth0 just comes up (sometimes) with:
# ifup eth0
and DHCP IP and DNS from my AP;
there are some minor bugs in the two shell scripts
/etc/wpa_supplicant/*.sh which I've had to fix too (sed of busybox does not
know the flag --quiet);
Look at 'dmesg'. When the wifi driver starts spewing messages about
failed connexions, in my experience the device is hosed.
Xav
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Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
El día Tuesday, September 30, 2008 a las 11:28:18AM +0200, Xavier Bestel
escribió:
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 11:06 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote:
Hello,
I'm using the Wifi-method described in
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi#Using_WPA_and_.2Fetc.2Fnetwork.2Finterfaces
i.e. having a working config file /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
for all my known access points (which is just a copy of that I'm using
daily and stable in my two FreeBSD based laptops); and I'm trying to bring
up the eth0 with
# ifup eth0
this works very unreliable; in (let's say) 8 of 10 cases it can't
associate to the AP, even not after fresh re-boots and independently if
the AP at my home works with WEP or in my office with WPA;
I found that, for WEP networking, the only working way is to manually
configure the interface:
iwconfig eth0 key yourkeyhere
iwconfig eth0 essid yourssidhere
udhcpc eth0
As I said, with WEP at home I have had it working today morning (sometimes)
with:
# cat /etc/network/interfaces
...
iface eth0 inet dhcp
wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
up route del default gw 192.168.0.200
down route add default gw 192.168.0.200
# cat /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
...
eapol_version=1
ap_scan=1
fast_reauth=1
network={
ssid=tarara
scan_ssid=0
key_mgmt=NONE
wep_tx_keyidx=0
wep_key0=
}
and then the eth0 just comes up (sometimes) with:
# ifup eth0
and DHCP IP and DNS from my AP;
there are some minor bugs in the two shell scripts
/etc/wpa_supplicant/*.sh which I've had to fix too (sed of busybox does not
know the flag --quiet);
matthias
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Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany
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b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/
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Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
Hi all. Now that you mention this, I think the problem is Hardware based. I've bought an Asus Eee 901 :D, and now I have a means of comparison in terms of WiFi reception. My conclusion is that the Neo FR's wifi sucks. Example1: - my home AP has WPA; sitting 2 meters away from it, the FR show 50% signal strength. Okay, you can say that's too close and they are shouting at each other, causing signal corruption. Very well, I take it 10 meters away, behind a couple of normal walls. The signal strength drops all the way, right down to 5%, which is pretty unusable. The Eee901 has 100% signal strength in the vicinity of the AP, and behind those walls shows 30%. Example2: - at work, the Eee901 picks up 4 weak networks, the strongest one at 35% strength and joins (no security) without problems. The FR picks up only the stronger one at 8%, and it cannot join it. This has convinced me that either the wifi on the FR has serious hardware problems, or the software is misguiding it. Anyway, it needs serious attention. Has anyone filed bugs on this wifi problem? Vasco. Citando Xavier Bestel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 11:06 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: Hello, I'm using the Wifi-method described in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi#Using_WPA_and_.2Fetc.2Fnetwork.2Finterfaces i.e. having a working config file /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf for all my known access points (which is just a copy of that I'm using daily and stable in my two FreeBSD based laptops); and I'm trying to bring up the eth0 with # ifup eth0 this works very unreliable; in (let's say) 8 of 10 cases it can't associate to the AP, even not after fresh re-boots and independently if the AP at my home works with WEP or in my office with WPA; I found that, for WEP networking, the only working way is to manually configure the interface: iwconfig eth0 key yourkeyhere iwconfig eth0 essid yourssidhere udhcpc eth0 And even then, it's not guaranteed to work, or if it works, it won't for long. HTH, Xav ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dialer UI Design
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 8:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paroli? We need more info about this I am in the dark as much as you are... Minh Seems to be a contacts+phone+messages framework implemented in Python, as far as I have found. Please. For FOSS's sake, not Python! Do you really want the dialer to blank out for a minute at a stretch while the screen is repainted? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Looking for Debug board owner in The Netherlands
hello Atilla Filiz, i can help you, i have a debug board version 2 for the neo1973, im in amsterdam, contact me and well try to arrange it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Looking for Debug board owner in The Netherlands
Hello, My FR suffers from the factory defect that my NOR is blank. I need a debug board to program it which I don't have and don't want to pay â¬100 just to use once. I am looking for someone who can help me, preferably around Eindhoven. Here is the deal: - I bring my FR, laptop and necessary software. - You bring the board. - I treat you a lunch while we flash my NOR. There's a 50/50 chance I'll be in Eindhoven next friday. mail me thursday/fridaymorning Sander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
Matthias Apitz wrote:
I'm trying to bring up the eth0 with
# ifup eth0
this works very unreliable; in (let's say) 8 of 10 cases it can't
associate to the AP, even not after fresh re-boots and independently if
the AP at my home works with WEP or in my office with WPA;
I found that with wpa_supplicant there was a problem with disconnecting
from an AP. The essid would apparantly not get cleared properly on the
card (although iwconfig would show it as cleared) and until you manually
cleared it, wpa_supplicant would just sit in a loop trying to connect
and getting authentication timeouts. You can see these message if you
run wpa_cli. I worked around it by adding a pre-up that clears the essid:
allow-hotplug eth0
iface eth0 inet manual
wpa-driver wext
wpa-roam /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
pre-up iwconfig eth0 essid off
iface default inet dhcp
iface home inet dhcp
This seems to work reliably for me except that I still have to ifdown
and ifup when I move to a different AP. So if manually connecting with
iwconfig works for you, you could try same workaround. Here's what my
wpa_supplicant.conf looks like:
ctrl_interface=DIR=/var/run/wpa_supplicant GROUP=netdev
network={
ssid=XXX
key_mgmt=NONE
wep_key0=XX
wep_tx_keyidx=0
id_str=home
}
network={
key_mgmt=NONE
}
Note that this is with Debian, not 2008.9 -- I'm not sure whether
Om2008.9 supports exactly the same /etc/network/interfaces syntax as Debian.
Cheers,
Alex
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Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 3:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. Now that you mention this, I think the problem is Hardware based. I've bought an Asus Eee 901 :D, and now I have a means of comparison in terms of WiFi reception. My conclusion is that the Neo FR's wifi sucks. Example1: - my home AP has WPA; sitting 2 meters away from it, the FR show 50% signal strength. Okay, you can say that's too close and they are shouting at each other, causing signal corruption. Very well, I take it 10 meters away, behind a couple of normal walls. The signal strength drops all the way, right down to 5%, which is pretty unusable. The Eee901 has 100% signal strength in the vicinity of the AP, and behind those walls shows 30%. Example2: - at work, the Eee901 picks up 4 weak networks, the strongest one at 35% strength and joins (no security) without problems. The FR picks up only the stronger one at 8%, and it cannot join it. This has convinced me that either the wifi on the FR has serious hardware problems, or the software is misguiding it. Anyway, it needs serious attention. Has anyone filed bugs on this wifi problem? Vasco. You're doing better than me. I was getting a 35% signal strength from my wifi router (Linksys RangePlus) at the same distance. My laptop showed the signal strength to be 'excellent'. Now that I think of it, I got better performance when I had set the FR down next to the router. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dialer UI Design
Am Dienstag, den 30.09.2008, 15:33 +0530 schrieb Nishit Dave: On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 8:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paroli? We need more info about this I am in the dark as much as you are... Minh Seems to be a contacts+phone+messages framework implemented in Python, as far as I have found. Please. For FOSS's sake, not Python! Do you really want the dialer to blank out for a minute at a stretch while the screen is repainted? *yawn* Predujice... :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dialer UI Design
*yawn* Predujice... *yawn* years of experience using yumex, Fedora and what not. Carefully considered Predijuice. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
Im also inclined to think its a hardware/driver problem and have nothing to do with wpa_supplicant or any other highlevel stuff. I fully understand if higher stuff is left to the community but i did expect the kernel and low level stuff to work a bit better than now when i bought the phone. It could ofcourse be just some phones thats broken and most works well because of some faulty batch. Does anyone know if work is happening on the kernel side of wifi or is it an orphan right now needing more people? //danielh 2008/9/30 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all. Now that you mention this, I think the problem is Hardware based. I've bought an Asus Eee 901 :D, and now I have a means of comparison in terms of WiFi reception. My conclusion is that the Neo FR's wifi sucks. Example1: - my home AP has WPA; sitting 2 meters away from it, the FR show 50% signal strength. Okay, you can say that's too close and they are shouting at each other, causing signal corruption. Very well, I take it 10 meters away, behind a couple of normal walls. The signal strength drops all the way, right down to 5%, which is pretty unusable. The Eee901 has 100% signal strength in the vicinity of the AP, and behind those walls shows 30%. Example2: - at work, the Eee901 picks up 4 weak networks, the strongest one at 35% strength and joins (no security) without problems. The FR picks up only the stronger one at 8%, and it cannot join it. This has convinced me that either the wifi on the FR has serious hardware problems, or the software is misguiding it. Anyway, it needs serious attention. Has anyone filed bugs on this wifi problem? Vasco. Citando Xavier Bestel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 11:06 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: Hello, I'm using the Wifi-method described in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi#Using_WPA_and_.2Fetc.2Fnetwork.2Finterfaces i.e. having a working config file /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf for all my known access points (which is just a copy of that I'm using daily and stable in my two FreeBSD based laptops); and I'm trying to bring up the eth0 with # ifup eth0 this works very unreliable; in (let's say) 8 of 10 cases it can't associate to the AP, even not after fresh re-boots and independently if the AP at my home works with WEP or in my office with WPA; I found that, for WEP networking, the only working way is to manually configure the interface: iwconfig eth0 key yourkeyhere iwconfig eth0 essid yourssidhere udhcpc eth0 And even then, it's not guaranteed to work, or if it works, it won't for long. HTH, Xav ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Call Volume on 2008.9
I tried the instructions at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem#Volume_Control After changing a certain pesky init() call to _init(), I had working volume.app. However, it seemed to break the sound system. The handset speaker/mic were non functional despite my attempts to adjust volume levels in volume.app. What am I missing here? John Angus Ainslie wrote: On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:46 AM, John Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way (either via the qtopia dialer or via package install) to adjust the mic / speaker volume mid call? try this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem#Volume_Control Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GPS Device
Output is repeating endless.ttySCA0 and ttySCA2 gives no output. opkg install gpsd echo GPS_DEV=/dev/ttySAC1 /etc/default/gpsd /etc/init.d/gpsd restart [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# sleep 1s echo 1 /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron stty -F /dev/ttySAC1 -echo cat -u /dev/ttySAC1 | grep -v ^$ $GPGSA,A,1,99.99,99.99,99.99*30 $GPGSV,1,1,00*79 $GPGLL,,V,N*64 $GPZDA,00,00*48 Has someone an idea what i could do? SD Card Slot is fixed _ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vistamkt=en-USform=QBRE ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
Okay, I've filed bug #2043 about this. Go ahead and add info if you like. https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2043 Citando Daniel Hedblom [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Im also inclined to think its a hardware/driver problem and have nothing to do with wpa_supplicant or any other highlevel stuff. I fully understand if higher stuff is left to the community but i did expect the kernel and low level stuff to work a bit better than now when i bought the phone. It could ofcourse be just some phones thats broken and most works well because of some faulty batch. Does anyone know if work is happening on the kernel side of wifi or is it an orphan right now needing more people? //danielh 2008/9/30 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all. Now that you mention this, I think the problem is Hardware based. I've bought an Asus Eee 901 :D, and now I have a means of comparison in terms of WiFi reception. My conclusion is that the Neo FR's wifi sucks. Example1: - my home AP has WPA; sitting 2 meters away from it, the FR show 50% signal strength. Okay, you can say that's too close and they are shouting at each other, causing signal corruption. Very well, I take it 10 meters away, behind a couple of normal walls. The signal strength drops all the way, right down to 5%, which is pretty unusable. The Eee901 has 100% signal strength in the vicinity of the AP, and behind those walls shows 30%. Example2: - at work, the Eee901 picks up 4 weak networks, the strongest one at 35% strength and joins (no security) without problems. The FR picks up only the stronger one at 8%, and it cannot join it. This has convinced me that either the wifi on the FR has serious hardware problems, or the software is misguiding it. Anyway, it needs serious attention. Has anyone filed bugs on this wifi problem? Vasco. Citando Xavier Bestel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 11:06 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: Hello, I'm using the Wifi-method described in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi#Using_WPA_and_.2Fetc.2Fnetwork.2Finterfaces i.e. having a working config file /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf for all my known access points (which is just a copy of that I'm using daily and stable in my two FreeBSD based laptops); and I'm trying to bring up the eth0 with # ifup eth0 this works very unreliable; in (let's say) 8 of 10 cases it can't associate to the AP, even not after fresh re-boots and independently if the AP at my home works with WEP or in my office with WPA; I found that, for WEP networking, the only working way is to manually configure the interface: iwconfig eth0 key yourkeyhere iwconfig eth0 essid yourssidhere udhcpc eth0 And even then, it's not guaranteed to work, or if it works, it won't for long. HTH, Xav ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
Alex Osborne wrote:
Matthias Apitz wrote:
I'm trying to bring up the eth0 with
# ifup eth0
this works very unreliable; in (let's say) 8 of 10 cases it can't
associate to the AP, even not after fresh re-boots and independently if
the AP at my home works with WEP or in my office with WPA;
I found that with wpa_supplicant there was a problem with disconnecting
from an AP. The essid would apparantly not get cleared properly on the
card (although iwconfig would show it as cleared) and until you manually
cleared it, wpa_supplicant would just sit in a loop trying to connect
and getting authentication timeouts. You can see these message if you
run wpa_cli. I worked around it by adding a pre-up that clears the essid:
allow-hotplug eth0
iface eth0 inet manual
wpa-driver wext
wpa-roam /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
pre-up iwconfig eth0 essid off
iface default inet dhcp
iface home inet dhcp
This seems to work reliably for me except that I still have to ifdown
and ifup when I move to a different AP. So if manually connecting with
iwconfig works for you, you could try same workaround. Here's what my
wpa_supplicant.conf looks like:
ctrl_interface=DIR=/var/run/wpa_supplicant GROUP=netdev
network={
ssid=XXX
key_mgmt=NONE
wep_key0=XX
wep_tx_keyidx=0
id_str=home
}
network={
key_mgmt=NONE
}
Note that this is with Debian, not 2008.9 -- I'm not sure whether
Om2008.9 supports exactly the same /etc/network/interfaces syntax as Debian.
2007.2 was missing some of the scripts (and more?) needed to support
wpa-roam when I tried it. Haven't checked in 2008.x yet. The news about
essid is interesting though.
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Re: Dialer UI Design
Nishit Dave wrote: *yawn* Predujice... *yawn* years of experience using yumex, Fedora and what not. Carefully considered Predijuice. Can you point to something specific that makes python unsuitable for a responsive GUI? I've seen unresponsive GUIs written with many languages, but it is generally a problem with the code not the language. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: email
On 30/09/2008, at 3:36 PM, W.Kenworthy wrote: Tried it - at the small screen setting and smallest I could set font the email got only 2 -3 words per line! Almost useless. I guess you're not using Debian then. Here's what it looks like out of the box on Debian, which I suppose has a different default GTK theme. I haven't changed any settings except filling in my account details and switching to small screen view and collapse quotes: http://meshy.org/~ato/tmp/claws-gta02-deb.png I'd actually much prefer a larger font. While I can read that it's not all that comfortable and is particularly difficult somewhere with a lot of ambient light. It's also easy to miss tap on the wrong email in the list as the rows are so small. It also often drags instead of clicks due to touchscreen jitter. My IMAP folder with this mailing list has 6317 messages, it took about 5 minutes to download them the first time I opened the folder. Claws was sitting at about 20% CPU, so it's likely bound by the network speed. Scrolling is a little slow, but no slower than any other app on the FreeRunner that has to redraw a large potion of the screen (due to the glamo bus speed I guess). I'd prefer a really lightweight mail viewer that you can drive with a finger. Probably this would be a good use of Edje (from Enlightenment, what Zhone uses) as it seems a bit leaner than GTK and seems like it'd be easier to come up with something that works nicely with pen input. Perhaps similar scrolling as Aza Raskin's Mobile Firefox concept video [1], but maybe scrolling out the right side of the screen goes to the next unread message, while out the left goes back. Fullscreen scrolling is slow on the FreeRunner, but after testing a bit with Edje, I still find it quite usable, it just looks jerky. Actually one option might be to just scroll part of the screen (say a quarter) as a preview and then update the rest when you release. That should allow for smoother control. The reason I said *viewer* is I'd probably just go with a button to pop open a buffer in Emacs for composing/replying and use a bluetooth keyboard, I don't think I have the patience to compose email with fingers or a stylus. ;-) Cheers, Alex [1] http://labs.mozilla.com/2008/06/firefox-mobile-concept-video/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dialer UI Design
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Alastair Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Nishit Dave wrote: *yawn* Predujice... *yawn* years of experience using yumex, Fedora and what not. Carefully considered Predijuice. Can you point to something specific that makes python unsuitable for a responsive GUI? I've seen unresponsive GUIs written with many languages, but it is generally a problem with the code not the language. How about experience? I don't know about programming or system specifics, but as a user, I have always found most programs written in python to be prone to latency in screen redraws and freeze-ups. You can test that on the FR - just try Mofi, switch to say the home screen, and switch back. You will be able to see how long it takes before text appears. I have seen this happen everywhere. Just from an efficiency point of view, don't you think a compiled program may run better than an interpreted one on a system with limited hardware capabilities. Anyway, why do I bother... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended ?
Lorn Potter wrote: 4.4 is right around the corner. It has dynamic rotation, webkit/example browser, a location API/example gps apps, Gtalk jabber thingy. and I cannot remember what else. And something else that you'll have to read about when the announcement comes out. :) Is has been renamed to Qt Extended right now, isn't it? However there are some very interesting videos on the net [1] (especially the browser, IMHO), I just hope that the Freerunner will have the same performances... And what about the theme? Since in some videos there is a new appearance, will we have something of different or just the standard qtopia one? Thanks for pushing something out, BTW... :P [1] http://youtube.com/profile_videos?user=QtStudios -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS Device
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Matthias Camenzind [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Output is repeating endless.ttySCA0 and ttySCA2 gives no output. opkg install gpsd echo GPS_DEV=/dev/ttySAC1 /etc/default/gpsd /etc/init.d/gpsd restart ttySAC1 is correct. I wonder why the default setting is ttySAC0. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# sleep 1s echo 1 /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron stty -F /dev/ttySAC1 -echo cat -u /dev/ttySAC1 | grep -v ^$ $GPGSA,A,1,99.99,99.99,99.99*30 $GPGSV,1,1,00*79 $GPGLL,,V,N*64 $GPZDA,00,00*48 Has someone an idea what i could do? SD Card Slot is fixed Reboot. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS Device
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Re: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended ?
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 13:50, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is has been renamed to Qt Extended right now, isn't it? However there are some very interesting videos on the net [1] renamed indeed... I had not seen this before : http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/09/28/qt-extended/ Hey Lorn... you did not post this info on this list ? Is that because of this : Changes in my job from Qtopia Community Liasion to Software Engineer ?... so we won't be in touch with you as often as before ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
El día Tuesday, September 30, 2008 a las 08:11:48PM +1000, Alex Osborne escribió: Matthias Apitz wrote: I'm trying to bring up the eth0 with # ifup eth0 this works very unreliable; in (let's say) 8 of 10 cases it can't associate to the AP, even not after fresh re-boots and independently if the AP at my home works with WEP or in my office with WPA; I found that with wpa_supplicant there was a problem with disconnecting from an AP. The essid would apparantly not get cleared properly on the card (although iwconfig would show it as cleared) and until you manually cleared it, wpa_supplicant would just sit in a loop trying to connect and getting authentication timeouts. You can see these message if you run wpa_cli. I worked around it by adding a pre-up that clears the essid: allow-hotplug eth0 iface eth0 inet manual wpa-driver wext wpa-roam /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf pre-up iwconfig eth0 essid off iface default inet dhcp iface home inet dhcp This seems to work reliably for me except that I still have to ifdown and ifup when I move to a different AP. So if manually connecting with iwconfig works for you, you could try same workaround. Here's what my wpa_supplicant.conf looks like: I have as well the feeling that, when I was associated once and leaving the AP physically, I can't re-associate anymore, even not after a boot; I tried your hint about 'iwconfig eth0 essid off' but it does not improve the situation; I've now filed a bug report as https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2045 with also a wpa_supplicant debug session; it tries to associate: Trying to associate with 00:04:e2:a1:76:0b (SSID='santaclara' freq=2442 MHz) ... State: SCANNING - ASSOCIATING wpa_driver_wext_set_operstate: operstate 0-0 (DORMANT) ... Wireless event: cmd=0x8b1a len=18 Authentication with 00:04:e2:a1:76:0b timed out. Added BSSID 00:04:e2:a1:76:0b into blacklist No keys have been configured - skip key clearing State: ASSOCIATING - DISCONNECTED wpa_driver_wext_set_operstate: operstate 0-0 (DORMANT) ... matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 14:37 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Tuesday, September 30, 2008 a las 08:11:48PM +1000, Alex Osborne escribió: Matthias Apitz wrote: I'm trying to bring up the eth0 with # ifup eth0 ... matthias Hi Matthias, I am using these scripts with the unmodified Om 2008.9 system successfully to connect to a linksys wrt150 running wpa. The only caveat is that the FR has a good signal when connecting. Turn on wifi using the settings dialog first - dont select anything else. Same with mofi etc - if you have used them, reboot first. Then you should be able to connect/reconnect at will. It seems that some of the background apps are reluctant to let go of the connection. myth1 root # cat wap #!/bin/sh # Turn on wifi at the settings dialog first! ifdown eth0 iwconfig eth0 txpower auto channel 1 killall wpa_supplicant killall udhcp wpa_supplicant -ieth0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -B ; ifup eth0 ___ myth1 root # cat nowap #!/bin/sh ifdown eth0 killall wpa_supplicant iwconfig eth0 txpower off -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Minty Boost FreeRunner
Matthias Apitz wrote: It seems that here in Germany they don't sell this type of Chewing Gum boxes, I had a hard time finding it locally as well. I finally mail ordered a ten pack. On the plus side, the gum doesn't stick to my dental work, so I can actually chew the stuff. the boxes here have other length and width, bigger in width but maybe shorter in length; could someone mail me please the values of length and width in millimeter of the original box to see if the batteries will fit; in mm, 82.5 x 34.0 x 18.5 (L x W X H) On the subject of boxes can anyone suggest an interesting container that would hold a pair of D cells with a little room (20mm x 34mm) to spare for the boost pcb? -stacy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Where are actions configured for buttons in FSO?
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 14:25 +0800, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Am Montag, den 29.09.2008, 20:18 -0400 schrieb digger vermont: On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 22:10 +0200, Johny Tenfinger wrote: Listen to dbus signals. dbus is a power of fso framerork :) Happy hacking ;) Yeah, I'm all for frameworkd! Problem is as far as I can see it's not currently being used to configure the PWR button, at least as far as I can see. So what is currently telling the PWR button to suspend if it is pressed for 3(?) seconds? Zhone is doing that currently. Great I'll take a look. Gonna have to defeat that before I can use frameworkd and dbus to control it. Right. I have started removing functionality out of Zhone to the rules file, so that it's much more customizable and will work every time -- no matter if a UI or which UI is running. I will soon move the suspend functionality into the rules files as well -- unfortunately resume is broken in the current kernels, so this has to wait a bit. Are there nightly/daily's of frameworkd somewhere? There's a lot of good stuff being done I'd like try out. Or is the way to best way to take advantage of the new methods still using NFS or similar? thanks, digger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
debian: where to download navit?
i remember to have read a while ago, where to download navit for debian/armel -- but i can't find the message. could someone please post a link -- even for an ipk if nothing else exists? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dialer UI Design
On 30/09/2008, at 9:41 PM, Nishit Dave wrote: How about experience? I don't know about programming or system specifics, but as a user, Please don't take this the wrong way. There's a common misconception amongst non-programmers and even some less experienced programmers than anything except compiled code is going to feel slow. This is what Mickey means by prejudice, you're judging that a poor user experience is Python's fault without really understanding how things work. I'll try to explain below. You can test that on the FR - just try Mofi, switch to say the home screen, and switch back. You will be able to see how long it takes before text appears. You mean start Mofi, then switch to a different app and back to the still running Mofi? The window renders virtually instantly for me, there's a little flash of it redrawing but you really have to watch for it and it's not noticeably worse than any other app. I'm switching between xterm and Mofi on Debian on the FreeRunner. The fact I can't see it could be due to Debian using a different GTK theme, I notice the font (and hence all the widets) are much smaller on Debian than on OM 2007/8, so it might render faster. The fact that Python is used for the application logic should have zero effect on the redraw speed. This is because the code that does the drawing (GTK), is actually written in C. The Python code tells GTK once when the window is created, hey I want five buttons and a textbox with this text, in this arrangement, you figure out the rest, it's then GTK's responsibility to redraw them and tell python when a button gets clicked or a menu item is selected. In a normal application that's just using standard widgets and not doing any custom drawing, redraws (like switching between applications) shouldn't execute any Python code at all. When you click scan the interfaces freezes, but that's because it's waiting for the hardware to do the wifi scan. This is poor practice, it should really do the scan asynchronously so the interface doesn't freeze and display a spinner, or at least say Please wait, scanning At least the freeze is not very long. But again, that has nothing to do with the programming language used, it's just as easy to make the same mistake with C. Just from an efficiency point of view, don't you think a compiled program may run better than an interpreted one on a system with limited hardware capabilities. For doing math intensive stuff like drawing, compression, encryption, etc -- sure definitely -- you're trying to do hundreds of millions of operations per second. For app logic, when this button is pressed, turn on the wifi, configure it with these settings and such there's really no difference between a few thousand CPU cycles of tightly optimized C code and a tens to hundreds of thousands of cycles of Python per button click, they're both imperceptible and are both not a bottleneck. Can you tell the difference between 1 microsecond and 1 millisecond? I certainly can't. I guess one might be able to form an argument that Python has a lower barrier of entry for programmers than C so you would be more likely in general to get programs written by less experienced people, but I personally might actually call that a point in favour of Python. ;-) It also by no means implies that Python programs are *only* written by inexperienced people. I hope that makes things a bit clearer. Analysing software performance is actually a very complex process and more often than not it's not just raw computation speed that wins the day. Often your intuitions like that compiled code should be better than interpreted byte-code often do not hold, as good code can often be exponentially better than bad code, while compiling might get you at the very most only a 5 to 10 times speed boost. Also, how caching and memory is used plays a very large role in the performance of programs running on modern hardware. But for typical GUI programs processor speed is usually largely irrelevant as long as the underlying toolkit is not completely broken. If a GUI is not responding it's a problem with how the program is structured, it should be doing something asynchronously instead of blocking the event loop. Cheers, Alex ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dialer UI Design
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Alex Osborne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean start Mofi, then switch to a different app and back to the still running Mofi? The window renders virtually instantly for me, there's a little flash of it redrawing but you really have to watch for it and it's not noticeably worse than any other app. I'm switching between xterm and Mofi on Debian on the FreeRunner. The fact I can't see it could be due to Debian using a different GTK theme, I notice the font (and hence all the widets) are much smaller on Debian than on OM 2007/8, so it might render faster. It might be because I use a Qtopia-based installation (2008.8-update) then, and GTK might run better on Debian 'natively', I guess. The fact that Python is used for the application logic should have zero effect on the redraw speed. This is because the code that does the drawing (GTK), is actually written in C. The Python code tells GTK once when the window is created, hey I want five buttons and a textbox with this text, in this arrangement, you figure out the rest, it's then GTK's responsibility to redraw them and tell python when a button gets clicked or a menu item is selected. In a normal application that's just using standard widgets and not doing any custom drawing, redraws (like switching between applications) shouldn't execute any Python code at all. This is very informative, thanks. I still have the feeling that GUI performance is poor when the executable is written in python. Maybe its just me. But for typical GUI programs processor speed is usually largely irrelevant as long as the underlying toolkit is not completely broken. If a GUI is not responding it's a problem with how the program is structured, it should be doing something asynchronously instead of blocking the event loop. I just hope everybody follows best practices. At the end of the day, all I need is something that is responsive. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[2008.09][FSO] Programming interface to wifi Icon
Hello all, Want to play with the wifi icon on the FR either in [2008.09] or [FSO] Perhaps [FSO] makes more sense in the long run. Anyhow can I from a C Program set the icon? And can I have a call back so that Icon being pressed issues a DBUS message? Thanks for any help ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
On 30/09/2008, at 10:37 PM, Matthias Apitz wrote: Wireless event: cmd=0x8b1a len=18 Authentication with 00:04:e2:a1:76:0b timed out. Added BSSID 00:04:e2:a1:76:0b into blacklist Yeah. That's exactly the same sort of thing I was seeing, which clearing the essid seems to help with most of the time. I occasionally find the wifi just stops working completely for no apparent reason, ping and all other traffic fails but it otherwise seems normal from the iwconfig and ifconfig output. Other times I get pages and pages of this rapidly flooded in dmesg: AR6000 disconnected from XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX AR6000 disconnected from XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX AR6000 disconnected from XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX AR6000 disconnected from XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX AR6000 disconnected from XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX AR6000 disconnected from XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX AR6000 disconnected from XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX AR6000 disconnected from XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX AR6000 disconnected from XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX AR6000 disconnected from XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX AR6000 disconnected from XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX AR6000 disconnected from XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX AR6000 disconnected from XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX without any line breaks and where the XX is the access point address. The only thing that seems to fix it when it does that is to reboot. Cheers, Alex ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.09][FSO] Programming interface to wifi Icon
El día Tuesday, September 30, 2008 a las 02:38:51PM +0100, Arigead escribió: Hello all, Want to play with the wifi icon on the FR either in [2008.09] or [FSO] Perhaps [FSO] makes more sense in the long run. Anyhow can I from a C Program set the icon? And can I have a call back so that Icon being pressed issues a DBUS message? If you create a file like this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/share/applications# cat Wifi-up.desktop [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Name=Wifi-up Comment=Bring Wifi up with ifup eth0 Exec=xterm -e ifdown eth0 ; iwconfig eth0 txpower auto channel 1 ; killall wpa_supplicant ; killall udhcp ; ifup eth0 ; sleep 20 Icon=wifi Terminal=false Type=Application Categories=Application;Utilities; SingleInstance=true StartupNotify=true the icon will appear and of course you have an action Exec=... matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dialer UI Design
On 30/09/2008, at 11:34 PM, Nishit Dave wrote: If a GUI is not responding it's a problem with how the program is structured, it should be doing something asynchronously instead of blocking the event loop. I just hope everybody follows best practices. At the end of the day, all I need is something that is responsive. Yep. I guess one thing that makes it difficult is that the author of a program usually knows what the program is doing in detail. They'll be thinking something like oh, the program is just enumerating the doodad configuration, that's why the interface has frozen. So they won't really notice the problem because they have a good idea what's happening internally. While a user is thinking, hey I just clicked the settings button and the program has locked up for no good reason, what the heck?!? You can try submitting a bug report about it, but unfortunately, particularly for projects with small communities, the developer is likely to think, hmm, good point, but it'd be more fun to work on adding a new whiz-bang instead, besides it doesn't really bother me, can't they just be patient and wait for it to finish loading? At least in a project with a larger community these sort of small tweaks to how the interface looks and behaves can serve as a fairly safe entry point for developers new to the project to learn the code base. To a developer these sorts of things can really seem like trivial details not worth bothering over, but often they're really quick to fix and can dramatically improve the user experience-- they're just not very exciting to work on.___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Problems building a sample project
Hi list, I am new at this I am proving step by step all that is commenting in openmoko wiki, but when I create a build configuration for this application with om-conf openmoko-sample2 it gives me an error: bash: om-conf: orden no encontrada why can it be??what can I do??? thanks very much ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Where are actions configured for buttons in FSO?
digger vermont wrote: Are there nightly/daily's of frameworkd somewhere? There's a lot of good stuff being done I'd like try out. Or is the way to best way to take advantage of the new methods still using NFS or similar? If fso-image and task-openmoko-feed actually built properly in OE, then you would find daily's for all FSO stuff in http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-unstable/feeds/ Unfortunately, http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/builds/36365/ shows that evas-native is breaking the unstable build at the moment with the error shown in http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/public/logs/1248197.txt -- Rod ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problems building a sample project
Am Dienstag, den 30.09.2008, 16:26 +0200 schrieb lorena san vicente: Hi list, I am new at this I am proving step by step all that is commenting in openmoko wiki, but when I create a build configuration for this application with om-conf openmoko-sample2 it gives me an error: bash: om-conf: orden no encontrada why can it be??what can I do??? thanks very much First thing, please use LC_ALL=C before posting an error message to the list. Error message translation can be misleading. Second, I _guess_ this means file or directory not found, which again means you don't have om-conf in your PATH. Please check in which directory om-conf lives and add this directory to your $PATH. Hope this helps, :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problems building a sample project
Wiadomość Oryginalna Od: lorena san vicente lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Do: List for Openmoko community discussion lt;community@lists.openmoko.orggt; Data: 30 września 2008 16:26 Temat: Problems building a sample project Hi list, I am new at this I am proving step by step all that is commenting in openmoko wiki, but when I create a build configuration for this application with om-conf openmoko-sample2 it gives me an error: bash: om-conf: orden no encontrada why can it be??what can I do??? thanks very much Try running /usr/local/openmoko/arm/setup-env before. You need to use this command after every boot when you wish to use the toolchain. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dialer UI Design
Thanks Alex for this comprehensive post, that's exactly what I had in mind and should have actually written, but was too much in a hurry. Cheers, Mickey. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: Dialer UI Design
Alex has an excellent point. Both complexity time of algorithms and the lack of asynchronous work / threading are enumerations of poor programming practices, and not characteristics of a byte code interpreter or the like. Some UI lockups could easily be fixed by simply using threads, or even coding without a polling while loop, but sometimes programmers don't generally think of using these techniques, or are more focused on functionality than speed. Either way, Alex is right in that any interpreter's reduction in speed will be minimal at best. It's *MUCH* more about how you code it, not what you code it in. Matthew Lane Purdue University - Department of Computer Science Alex Osborne wrote: div class=moz-text-flowed style=font-family: -moz-fixedOn 30/09/2008, at 9:41 PM, Nishit Dave wrote: How about experience? I don't know about programming or system specifics, but as a user, Please don't take this the wrong way. There's a common misconception amongst non-programmers and even some less experienced programmers than anything except compiled code is going to feel slow. This is what Mickey means by prejudice, you're judging that a poor user experience is Python's fault without really understanding how things work. I'll try to explain below. You can test that on the FR - just try Mofi, switch to say the home screen, and switch back. You will be able to see how long it takes before text appears. You mean start Mofi, then switch to a different app and back to the still running Mofi? The window renders virtually instantly for me, there's a little flash of it redrawing but you really have to watch for it and it's not noticeably worse than any other app. I'm switching between xterm and Mofi on Debian on the FreeRunner. The fact I can't see it could be due to Debian using a different GTK theme, I notice the font (and hence all the widets) are much smaller on Debian than on OM 2007/8, so it might render faster. The fact that Python is used for the application logic should have zero effect on the redraw speed. This is because the code that does the drawing (GTK), is actually written in C. The Python code tells GTK once when the window is created, hey I want five buttons and a textbox with this text, in this arrangement, you figure out the rest, it's then GTK's responsibility to redraw them and tell python when a button gets clicked or a menu item is selected. In a normal application that's just using standard widgets and not doing any custom drawing, redraws (like switching between applications) shouldn't execute any Python code at all. When you click scan the interfaces freezes, but that's because it's waiting for the hardware to do the wifi scan. This is poor practice, it should really do the scan asynchronously so the interface doesn't freeze and display a spinner, or at least say Please wait, scanning At least the freeze is not very long. But again, that has nothing to do with the programming language used, it's just as easy to make the same mistake with C. Just from an efficiency point of view, don't you think a compiled program may run better than an interpreted one on a system with limited hardware capabilities. For doing math intensive stuff like drawing, compression, encryption, etc -- sure definitely -- you're trying to do hundreds of millions of operations per second. For app logic, when this button is pressed, turn on the wifi, configure it with these settings and such there's really no difference between a few thousand CPU cycles of tightly optimized C code and a tens to hundreds of thousands of cycles of Python per button click, they're both imperceptible and are both not a bottleneck. Can you tell the difference between 1 microsecond and 1 millisecond? I certainly can't. I guess one might be able to form an argument that Python has a lower barrier of entry for programmers than C so you would be more likely in general to get programs written by less experienced people, but I personally might actually call that a point in favour of Python. ;-) It also by no means implies that Python programs are *only* written by inexperienced people. I hope that makes things a bit clearer. Analysing software performance is actually a very complex process and more often than not it's not just raw computation speed that wins the day. Often your intuitions like that compiled code should be better than interpreted byte-code often do not hold, as good code can often be exponentially better than bad code, while compiling might get you at the very most only a 5 to 10 times speed boost. Also, how caching and memory is used plays a very large role in the performance of programs running on modern hardware. But for typical GUI programs processor speed is usually largely irrelevant as long as the underlying toolkit is not completely broken. If a GUI is not
[Om2008.9] xterm larger fonts
Hello, Any hint about the name of a larger font that could be used with 'xterm -fn ...'? I'm as well missing 'xlsfonts' in FR :-( Thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
SV: email
What about tinymail http://tinymail.org? /Jörgen -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För W.Kenworthy Skickat: den 30 september 2008 07:36 Till: List for Openmoko community discussion Ämne: Re: email Tried it - at the small screen setting and smallest I could set font the email got only 2 -3 words per line! Almost useless. Rather than have something adapted from the PC world, we need something designed for a PDA. e.g., Palms Versamail gets quite a panning in general, but its still far better than anything Ive yet tried on the FR :( Mutt or pine in a console might be a better choice, but have not seen a package for them yet. BillK On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 06:45 +0200, Petr Vanek wrote: On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:18:30 +0800 William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] (WK) wrote: I tried claws on 2007.2 - interface couldnt handle the screen. claws could theoretically actually do - i use it daily on my business desktop and i tried once on FR, didn't have time since then, but the speed was OK (i have the same speed issues with qtmail) In Claws Mail, try in Menu: View-Layout-Small Screen then look up the keyboard shortcuts, these are excellent (only few, say 5, but very powerful) -- Petr Vaněk http://biodynamika.cz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
WiMax support
Dear all i am very new to openmoko world and i am thinking of buying one for me, but i have some doubts can anyone resolve them (1) does it support wimax? (2) i heard we can install a deb files is that true? (3) can i try android in it and install openmoko back? (4) are there any issues which are very predominant? Best Regards Mallikarjun V ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: email
On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:05:19 +0100 Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NJ) wrote: 2008/9/30 W.Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Cant handle 6-7000 messages going back 5 years (I regard this as medium, 5+ is large :) You may like to check the archives of the maemo-developers mailing list. There were similar discussions recently there, and IIRC with possible solutions. Regards, Neil Neil, would you mind sending a bit more direct link, i am having 0 luck googling this up... thank you -- Petr Vaněk http://biodynamika.cz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released!
Cédric Berger wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 13:50, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is has been renamed to Qt Extended right now, isn't it? However there are some very interesting videos on the net [1] renamed indeed... I had not seen this before : http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/09/28/qt-extended/ Finally there are official news: Qt Extended 4.4 released [1]! Look at the many cool videos and see how the Freerunner works [2], but... Where are sources and binaries? [1] http://trolltech.com/products/device-creation/qt-extended/qt-extended-4.4-release [2] http://dist.trolltech.com/video/qtextended.m4v -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released!
Does anyone know if an image will be available? I don't see it in the usual downloads location. - Original Message - From: \Marco Trevisan (Treviño)\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 11:50:12 AM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released! Cédric Berger wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 13:50, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is has been renamed to Qt Extended right now, isn't it? However there are some very interesting videos on the net [1] renamed indeed... I had not seen this before : http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/09/28/qt-extended/ Finally there are official news: Qt Extended 4.4 released [1]! Look at the many cool videos and see how the Freerunner works [2], but... Where are sources and binaries? [1] http://trolltech.com/products/device-creation/qt-extended/qt-extended-4.4-release [2] http://dist.trolltech.com/video/qtextended.m4v -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended ?
� wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 13:50, Marco Trevisan (Trevi�o) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is has been renamed to Qt Extended right now, isn't it? However there are some very interesting videos on the net [1] renamed indeed... I had not seen this before : http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/09/28/qt-extended/ Hey Lorn... you did not post this info on this list ? Is that because of this : Changes in my job from Qtopia Community Liasion to Software Engineer ?... so we won't be in touch with you as often as before ? Nope. I changed titles two years ago already! :) Only difference is now I have two jobs to do - community _and_ engineering. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WiMax support
(1) does it support wimax? afaik no (2) i heard we can install a deb files is that true? you can install debian/armel and thus the world of debian is open to you (3) can i try android in it and install openmoko back? not atm and it's quite unclear if ever -- android is for now available for a) armv5 only b) must be adapted for the specific device (hardware) afaik google is still wilful unclear about the level of source it is willing to release and thus it's not possible to determine, if someone is willing to take the plunge (4) are there any issues which are very predominant? a lot. check the archives -- most of your questions are answered already and frequently (in fact #3 is probably the number one of the imaginary faq) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released!
� wrote: C�dric Berger wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 13:50, Marco Trevisan (Trevi�o) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is has been renamed to Qt Extended right now, isn't it? However there are some very interesting videos on the net [1] renamed indeed... I had not seen this before : http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/09/28/qt-extended/ Finally there are official news: Qt Extended 4.4 released [1]! Look at the many cool videos and see how the Freerunner works [2], but... Where are sources and binaries? We usually release the open source packages a couple days after the commercial release. They will be at the new site: http://qtextended.org As soon as I can. Hopefully by this weekend. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released!
wow! confirmed new features? gtalk, webbrowser, gps? In videos I can't see screen orientation, it is aviable? Thanks a lot for your work! 2008/9/30 Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] � wrote: C�dric Berger wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 13:50, Marco Trevisan (Trevi�o) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is has been renamed to Qt Extended right now, isn't it? However there are some very interesting videos on the net [1] renamed indeed... I had not seen this before : http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/09/28/qt-extended/ Finally there are official news: Qt Extended 4.4 released [1]! Look at the many cool videos and see how the Freerunner works [2], but... Where are sources and binaries? We usually release the open source packages a couple days after the commercial release. They will be at the new site: http://qtextended.org As soon as I can. Hopefully by this weekend. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
dead battery
My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. The following thread offered three possible solutions: http://n2.nabble.com/Can%27t-boot-Freerunner-without-battery---Was:-Re:-unable-to-start-up-freerunner-after-batterie-was-full-down-td526783.html Does anyone know where I can get an external charger that will work with the Freerunner battery? Vince Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] (303) 493-6723 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released!
Thomas Bertani wrote: wow! confirmed new features? gtalk, webbrowser, gps? In videos I can't see screen orientation, it is aviable? Yes. dynamic rotation is available. Thanks a lot for your work! no worries! 2008/9/30 Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] � wrote: C�dric Berger wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 13:50, Marco Trevisan (Trevi�o) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is has been renamed to Qt Extended right now, isn't it? However there are some very interesting videos on the net [1] renamed indeed... I had not seen this before : http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/09/28/qt-extended/ Finally there are official news: Qt Extended 4.4 released [1]! Look at the many cool videos and see how the Freerunner works [2], but... Where are sources and binaries? We usually release the open source packages a couple days after the commercial release. They will be at the new site: http://qtextended.org As soon as I can. Hopefully by this weekend. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
A desktop charger for a Nokia BL-5c or BL-6c battery will do the job, at least the two non-Nokia ones I've tried. I've done it a few times. I've never let it sit on the charger until full, so I don't know if the charger can recognize full charge on the FreeRunner battery or not, but left on the charger for 15-20 minutes it will boot the FreeRunner. The most readily-accessible source is likely to be a friend with a Nokia phone using one of those batteries - several models over the past six or eight years. (mine is a 6600) If you know anyone with a nokia phone (now or the past several years) it's worth asking them what battery it uses, if they have a desktop charger, and if you can borrow it. (or keep it - if they're not using the phone ask for the charger and battery ;) j On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:04:07 -0600 (MDT), Vince M. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. The following thread offered three possible solutions: http://n2.nabble.com/Can%27t-boot-Freerunner-without-battery---Was:-Re:-unable-to-start-up-freerunner-after-batterie-was-full-down-td526783.html Does anyone know where I can get an external charger that will work with the Freerunner battery? Vince Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] (303) 493-6723 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Joel Newkirk wrote: A desktop charger for a Nokia BL-5c or BL-6c battery will do the job, at least the two non-Nokia ones I've tried. I've done it a few times. I've never let it sit on the charger until full, so I don't know if the charger can recognize full charge on the FreeRunner battery or not, but left on the charger for 15-20 minutes it will boot the FreeRunner. Very useful to know, thank you. I am anxiously waiting for my FR to arrive. I wonder about something: does a FR come with charged batteries?? One would expect so, otherwise it can never be started/used. Am I correct in this? Paul -- If you reject the food, ignore the customs, fear the religion and avoid the people, you might better stay home. -James Michener http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Thanks Joel. I'll go digging thru my box of old phones. I know there are a couple of Nokias in there. - Original Message - From: Joel Newkirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:25:36 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery A desktop charger for a Nokia BL-5c or BL-6c battery will do the job, at least the two non-Nokia ones I've tried. I've done it a few times. I've never let it sit on the charger until full, so I don't know if the charger can recognize full charge on the FreeRunner battery or not, but left on the charger for 15-20 minutes it will boot the FreeRunner. The most readily-accessible source is likely to be a friend with a Nokia phone using one of those batteries - several models over the past six or eight years. (mine is a 6600) If you know anyone with a nokia phone (now or the past several years) it's worth asking them what battery it uses, if they have a desktop charger, and if you can borrow it. (or keep it - if they're not using the phone ask for the charger and battery ;) j On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:04:07 -0600 (MDT), Vince M. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. The following thread offered three possible solutions: http://n2.nabble.com/Can%27t-boot-Freerunner-without-battery---Was:-Re:-unable-to-start-up-freerunner-after-batterie-was-full-down-td526783.html Does anyone know where I can get an external charger that will work with the Freerunner battery? Vince Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] (303) 493-6723 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
One more question. Maybe it will be obvious once I get my hands on a charger, but how do you actually connect the battery? Will it fit in an old Nokia phone? Or do you somehow connect the battery directly to the charger? - Original Message - From: Joel Newkirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:25:36 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery A desktop charger for a Nokia BL-5c or BL-6c battery will do the job, at least the two non-Nokia ones I've tried. I've done it a few times. I've never let it sit on the charger until full, so I don't know if the charger can recognize full charge on the FreeRunner battery or not, but left on the charger for 15-20 minutes it will boot the FreeRunner. The most readily-accessible source is likely to be a friend with a Nokia phone using one of those batteries - several models over the past six or eight years. (mine is a 6600) If you know anyone with a nokia phone (now or the past several years) it's worth asking them what battery it uses, if they have a desktop charger, and if you can borrow it. (or keep it - if they're not using the phone ask for the charger and battery ;) j On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:04:07 -0600 (MDT), Vince M. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. The following thread offered three possible solutions: http://n2.nabble.com/Can%27t-boot-Freerunner-without-battery---Was:-Re:-unable-to-start-up-freerunner-after-batterie-was-full-down-td526783.html Does anyone know where I can get an external charger that will work with the Freerunner battery? Vince Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] (303) 493-6723 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
well whenever im hit with a dead battery i just plug the freerunner to the computer's usb port and let it sit for a few minutes then turn it on to NOR...or NAND whichever one works first Paul escribió: Joel Newkirk wrote: A desktop charger for a Nokia BL-5c or BL-6c battery will do the job, at least the two non-Nokia ones I've tried. I've done it a few times. I've never let it sit on the charger until full, so I don't know if the charger can recognize full charge on the FreeRunner battery or not, but left on the charger for 15-20 minutes it will boot the FreeRunner. Very useful to know, thank you. I am anxiously waiting for my FR to arrive. I wonder about something: does a FR come with charged batteries?? One would expect so, otherwise it can never be started/used. Am I correct in this? Paul ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:32:26 +0200 Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] (P) wrote: Joel Newkirk wrote: A desktop charger for a Nokia BL-5c or BL-6c battery will do the job, at least the two non-Nokia ones I've tried. I've done it a few times. I've never let it sit on the charger until full, so I don't know if the charger can recognize full charge on the FreeRunner battery or not, but left on the charger for 15-20 minutes it will boot the FreeRunner. Very useful to know, thank you. I am anxiously waiting for my FR to arrive. I wonder about something: does a FR come with charged batteries?? One would expect so, otherwise it can never be started/used. Am I correct in this? yes. i got fr plus the spares kit (two extra batteries (very handy btw)) and all came charged up. -- Petr Vaněk http://biodynamika.cz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SV: email
What about tinymail http://tinymail.org? is there a gui? the page states, it is a framework but the demos show some kind of gui -- but i can't find further informations. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Tomas Riveros Schober wrote: well whenever im hit with a dead battery i just plug the freerunner to the computer's usb port and let it sit for a few minutes then turn it on to NOR...or NAND whichever one works first Well, that is a very simple solution. :-) Thank you! Paul -- If you reject the food, ignore the customs, fear the religion and avoid the people, you might better stay home. -James Michener http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
I've tried that, as well as the wall charger. The battery is totally dead and my fr will not boot, regardless of how long I leave it plugged in. - Original Message - From: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:52:02 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery Tomas Riveros Schober wrote: well whenever im hit with a dead battery i just plug the freerunner to the computer's usb port and let it sit for a few minutes then turn it on to NOR...or NAND whichever one works first Well, that is a very simple solution. :-) Thank you! Paul -- If you reject the food, ignore the customs, fear the religion and avoid the people, you might better stay home. -James Michener http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] install failure, fso-frameworkd is not going to be installed
2008/9/28 Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/9/28 Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED]: No, it doesn't. Now I get: The following packages have unmet dependencies: [...] E: Broken packages Hmm. I'll try again tomorrow. Solution! - Put both testing and unstable in your sources.list. - Install aptitude. (Possibly not actually necessary, but I'm used to it.) - Using aptitude: - Install libcaca0 and libcucul0, taking care to choose the 14 versions rather than the 15 ones. - Install gstreamer0.10-plugins-good. - Install fso-frameworkd. - Now it is clear that the dependency issue is solved, so back out to the shell and the installer script: ./install.sh fso /etc/init.d/qpe stop # if you are running Qtopia, as I am umount /dev/mmcblk0p1 umount /dev/mmcblk0p2 ./install.sh mount configuration kernel unmount Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: email
2008/9/30 Petr Vanek [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Neil, would you mind sending a bit more direct link, i am having 0 luck googling this up... thank you Here is one: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-June/033990.html. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:35:56 -0600 (MDT), Vince M. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One more question. Maybe it will be obvious once I get my hands on a charger, but how do you actually connect the battery? Will it fit in an old Nokia phone? Or do you somehow connect the battery directly to the charger? The battery usually lays in just like it does in the phone. The battery will fit into the Nokia, but I'd be surprised if the Nokia agreed to charge it, since it won't recognize it. j - Original Message - From: Joel Newkirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:25:36 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery A desktop charger for a Nokia BL-5c or BL-6c battery will do the job, at least the two non-Nokia ones I've tried. I've done it a few times. I've never let it sit on the charger until full, so I don't know if the charger can recognize full charge on the FreeRunner battery or not, but left on the charger for 15-20 minutes it will boot the FreeRunner. The most readily-accessible source is likely to be a friend with a Nokia phone using one of those batteries - several models over the past six or eight years. (mine is a 6600) If you know anyone with a nokia phone (now or the past several years) it's worth asking them what battery it uses, if they have a desktop charger, and if you can borrow it. (or keep it - if they're not using the phone ask for the charger and battery ;) j On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:04:07 -0600 (MDT), Vince M. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. The following thread offered three possible solutions: http://n2.nabble.com/Can%27t-boot-Freerunner-without-battery---Was:-Re:-unable-to-start-up-freerunner-after-batterie-was-full-down-td526783.html Does anyone know where I can get an external charger that will work with the Freerunner battery? Vince Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] (303) 493-6723 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
qemu
In the course of working on my development VM, I installed qemu using Mokomakefile. It seems it installs a Qtopia image. Can someone lead me by the hand, or point out a howto/faq I missed, that clearly tells me how to set up other images with it, particularly FSO and 2008.9? I know that I need to tell qemu it's gta02fake instead of gta01, but so far I've failed to get any images running with it apart from the one Mokomakefile pulls in. (they timeout while flashing) And is there any simple way to support having multiple images installed, choosing among them at launch time? All I can see for sure is how to 'flash' it with different images. (I've not used qemu much yet, so I still haven't fully wrapped my brain around the various symlinks and env settings affecting it) I'm hoping I can create desktop shortcuts to simple scripts that fire up qemu with various images, without having to fire up Mokomakefile and reflash each time - ideal would be fully independent, each available image having its own SD etc. Thanks for any info or advice. j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone (was: Re: dead battery)
The battery usually lays in just like it does in the phone. The battery will fit into the Nokia, but I'd be surprised if the Nokia agreed to charge it, since it won't recognize it. Exactly right. My understanding is this: Nokia devices (phones and stand-alone chargers) will not charge non-Nokia batteries, most likely because they can't be sure they have the correct charging parameters. Most after-market or no-name brands of Nokia-compatible chargers don't test the make of the battery, most likely because adding the capability to perform this test would add to the cost of the charger. Thus: * You can use a Nokia or Nokia-compatible BL-4C, BL-5C, or BL-6C in the Neo * You can charge the Neo battery in a Nokia-compatible charger that is not Nokia branded * You can NOT charge the Neo battery in a Nokia branded phone or charger Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone (was: Re: dead battery)
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly right. My understanding is this: Nokia devices (phones and stand-alone chargers) will not charge non-Nokia batteries, most likely because they can't be sure they have the correct charging parameters. Most after-market or no-name brands of Nokia-compatible chargers don't test the make of the battery, most likely because adding the capability to perform this test would add to the cost of the charger. Thus: * You can use a Nokia or Nokia-compatible BL-4C, BL-5C, or BL-6C in the Neo * You can charge the Neo battery in a Nokia-compatible charger that is not Nokia branded * You can NOT charge the Neo battery in a Nokia branded phone or charger Michael Thanks for this helpfully complete characterization. Do you happen to know if a Nokia battery (such as the BL-5c) will charge in the FreeRunner? Thanks, Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian/zhone] Send an SMS
2008/9/27 Jan Luebbe [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, 2008-09-26 at 19:42 +0100, Neil Jerram wrote: 2008/9/26 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Oh, the testing UI. Yes, you can send messages with that one as well. Push 'Messages', then chose a contact from your SIM, then compose your message, then it's going into the outbox and will be sent. Hm. I couldn't make anything like that work. I'll try again though if/when I have Debian installed again. In messages you need to push the button in the middle, then you will get a small menu. I'm afraid I'm still not seeing / understanding this. Here is what I'm getting as the messages screen: http://www.ossau.uklinux.net/msgs.jpg (with personal information blacked out). Where am I supposed to press? Thanks, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone
Thanks for this helpfully complete characterization. Since you found it illuminating, I'll add it to the wiki Do you happen to know if a Nokia battery (such as the BL-5c) will charge in the FreeRunner? Excellent question. That's the one case I left out. I'm pretty sure it does, because I'm pretty sure that we do not check for battery brand. Any checking of battery brand would happen in software, where we can see it (and remove if desired). True, there is a chip that handles charging, but I'm pretty sure that battery brand is not one of the parameters we feed it. Perhaps one of the kernel people can confirm this. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Thanks for this helpfully complete characterization. | | Since you found it illuminating, I'll add it to the wiki | | Do you happen to know if a Nokia battery (such as the BL-5c) will | charge in the FreeRunner? | | Excellent question. That's the one case I left out. I'm pretty sure it | does, because I'm pretty sure that we do not check for battery brand. | | Any checking of battery brand would happen in software, where we can see | it (and remove if desired). | | True, there is a chip that handles charging, but I'm pretty sure that | battery brand is not one of the parameters we feed it. Perhaps one of | the kernel people can confirm this. Right, we are clueless what that battery is for charging purposes, it'll give it a go charging it in a fairly adaptive way if the terminals line up with the battery socket. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjio+4ACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqoAgCaA+hAgTrlhTyCB7HNqX/38GY/ 3poAoIfVSn2AidbpusOZLhyXZvm/Lfrd =v47k -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone
verify and place in the wiki or FAQ Michael Shiloh wrote: The battery usually lays in just like it does in the phone. The battery will fit into the Nokia, but I'd be surprised if the Nokia agreed to charge it, since it won't recognize it. Exactly right. My understanding is this: Nokia devices (phones and stand-alone chargers) will not charge non-Nokia batteries, most likely because they can't be sure they have the correct charging parameters. Most after-market or no-name brands of Nokia-compatible chargers don't test the make of the battery, most likely because adding the capability to perform this test would add to the cost of the charger. Thus: * You can use a Nokia or Nokia-compatible BL-4C, BL-5C, or BL-6C in the Neo * You can charge the Neo battery in a Nokia-compatible charger that is not Nokia branded * You can NOT charge the Neo battery in a Nokia branded phone or charger Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Debian size and uSD
After I installed Debian on my stock uSD, i realized that Debian is _BIG_. There are tons of libraries installed. I think a lighter Debian is possible, any ideas? Another thing is I bought a 2G uSD and I want to move my debian system to that card. If I manually partition it (8MB fat and rest ext2) and just copy contents of 512M, would it work? Or maybe i can copy an image using dd and then somehow resize the partition. Anyone tried migrating from one SD to another? -- - Bu mesaj UTF-8 ile kodlanmıştır - Atilla Filiz Technische Universiteit Eindhoven Embedded Systems, Master's Programme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released!
Wow, this ist s much faster/more responsive than FDOM/2008.9 on my phone. Is this just my phone or is this the difference between framebuffer and X11? On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thomas Bertani wrote: wow! confirmed new features? gtalk, webbrowser, gps? In videos I can't see screen orientation, it is aviable? Yes. dynamic rotation is available. Thanks a lot for your work! no worries! 2008/9/30 Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] � wrote: C�dric Berger wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 13:50, Marco Trevisan (Trevi�o) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is has been renamed to Qt Extended right now, isn't it? However there are some very interesting videos on the net [1] renamed indeed... I had not seen this before : http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/09/28/qt-extended/ Finally there are official news: Qt Extended 4.4 released [1]! Look at the many cool videos and see how the Freerunner works [2], but... Where are sources and binaries? We usually release the open source packages a couple days after the commercial release. They will be at the new site: http://qtextended.org As soon as I can. Hopefully by this weekend. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released!
Thomas Bertani wrote: wow! confirmed new features? gtalk, webbrowser, gps? In videos I can't see screen orientation, it is aviable? Look at the modules... There's a shot [1]! [1] http://trolltech.com/images/products/screenshot-deskphone-ui-sunset -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released!
Lorn Potter wrote: I wrote: but... Where are sources and binaries? We usually release the open source packages a couple days after the commercial release. They will be at the new site: http://qtextended.org As soon as I can. Hopefully by this weekend. Cool... Btw I've seen that there are also some commercial (premium) modules that could be integrated with Qtopia, also if they're not open source. Well, will be there a way to get the torch mobile browser, for example? According to its homepage, it shouldn't be free (as speech) but it seems at least freeware. I don't like too much these things, but it could be a good tool for who needs a better browser. Also the eZi keyboard seems quite pretty... :| [1] http://trolltech.com/products/device-creation/qt-extended/premium-modules/torch-mobile -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian size and uSD
On Wednesday 01 October 2008 08:26:05 Atilla Filiz wrote: After I installed Debian on my stock uSD, i realized that Debian is _BIG_. There are tons of libraries installed. I think a lighter Debian is possible, any ideas? Another thing is I bought a 2G uSD and I want to move my debian system to that card. If I manually partition it (8MB fat and rest ext2) and just copy contents of 512M, would it work? Or maybe i can copy an image using dd and then somehow resize the partition. Anyone tried migrating from one SD to another? You could use copy but tar tends to be a better alternative. Just tar up your rootfs and then extract to your new card. Under most *nix variants you need to extract using the 'p' parameter to preserve file permissions. Also make sure you are not mounted with the option 'nodev'. With a new u-boot it's also possible to consolidate the kernel and rootfs into one partition to ease kernel upgrades. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
On Wednesday 01 October 2008 05:52:38 Vince M. Clark wrote: I've tried that, as well as the wall charger. The battery is totally dead and my fr will not boot, regardless of how long I leave it plugged in. 6 - 8 hours on the wall charger is not unusual for my dead battery to start to function. How long have you left it? Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Vince M. Clark wrote: My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. The following thread offered three possible solutions: http://n2.nabble.com/Can%27t-boot-Freerunner-without-battery---Was:-Re:-unable-to-start-up-freerunner-after-batterie-was-full-down-td526783.html Does anyone know where I can get an external charger that will work with the Freerunner battery? Vince Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] (303) 493-6723 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Vince, When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Not that long on the wall charger. I'll leave it overnight and see what happens. I have left in on the USB charger for a few hours with no luck. - Original Message - From: Sarton O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:27:57 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery On Wednesday 01 October 2008 05:52:38 Vince M. Clark wrote: I've tried that, as well as the wall charger. The battery is totally dead and my fr will not boot, regardless of how long I leave it plugged in. 6 - 8 hours on the wall charger is not unusual for my dead battery to start to function. How long have you left it? Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Thanks Shawn. I have tried NOR boot (holding aux button while pressing power button, then releasing aux button.) I cannot even get that far. I'm going to leave it plugged into the wall charger overnight and see what happens. In the meantime i ordered an after market Nokia battery charger. They are cheap but it looks like it may take a week or so to get it. - Original Message - From: Shawn \prjktdtnt\ Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:31:17 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery Vince M. Clark wrote: My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. The following thread offered three possible solutions: http://n2.nabble.com/Can%27t-boot-Freerunner-without-battery---Was:-Re:-unable-to-start-up-freerunner-after-batterie-was-full-down-td526783.html Does anyone know where I can get an external charger that will work with the Freerunner battery? Vince Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] (303) 493-6723 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Vince, When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Vince M. Clark wrote: Thanks Shawn. I have tried NOR boot (holding aux button while pressing power button, then releasing aux button.) I cannot even get that far. I'm going to leave it plugged into the wall charger overnight and see what happens. In the meantime i ordered an after market Nokia battery charger. They are cheap but it looks like it may take a week or so to get it. - Original Message - From: Shawn \prjktdtnt\ Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:31:17 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery Vince M. Clark wrote: My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. The following thread offered three possible solutions: http://n2.nabble.com/Can%27t-boot-Freerunner-without-battery---Was:-Re:-unable-to-start-up-freerunner-after-batterie-was-full-down-td526783.html Does anyone know where I can get an external charger that will work with the Freerunner battery? Vince Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] (303) 493-6723 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Vince, When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community When trying to get into NOR do you already have it plugged into your charger? That is how I was able to finally get mine to boot, you only need the actual OpenMoko charger until it starts up then you can use whatever USB charger you prefer. Just plug into wall-socket and phone, start NOR twice, viola. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Yes. I have my fr plugged into the OpenMoko wall charger. Then I try NOR boot but nothing happens. I have tried NOR boot plugged in and not plugged in. - Original Message - From: Shawn \prjktdtnt\ Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:37:22 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery Vince M. Clark wrote: Thanks Shawn. I have tried NOR boot (holding aux button while pressing power button, then releasing aux button.) I cannot even get that far. I'm going to leave it plugged into the wall charger overnight and see what happens. In the meantime i ordered an after market Nokia battery charger. They are cheap but it looks like it may take a week or so to get it. - Original Message - From: Shawn \prjktdtnt\ Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:31:17 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery Vince M. Clark wrote: My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. The following thread offered three possible solutions: http://n2.nabble.com/Can%27t-boot-Freerunner-without-battery---Was:-Re:-unable-to-start-up-freerunner-after-batterie-was-full-down-td526783.html Does anyone know where I can get an external charger that will work with the Freerunner battery? Vince Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] (303) 493-6723 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Vince, When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community When trying to get into NOR do you already have it plugged into your charger? That is how I was able to finally get mine to boot, you only need the actual OpenMoko charger until it starts up then you can use whatever USB charger you prefer. Just plug into wall-socket and phone, start NOR twice, viola. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
On Wednesday 01 October 2008 09:31:22 Vince M. Clark wrote: Not that long on the wall charger. I'll leave it overnight and see what happens. I have left in on the USB charger for a few hours with no luck. The 'leave it overnight' scenario is the best one I encounter for a dead battery ;) ... I think you'll be right. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Vince M. Clark wrote: Yes. I have my fr plugged into the OpenMoko wall charger. Then I try NOR boot but nothing happens. I have tried NOR boot plugged in and not plugged in. - Original Message - From: Shawn \prjktdtnt\ Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:37:22 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery Vince M. Clark wrote: Thanks Shawn. I have tried NOR boot (holding aux button while pressing power button, then releasing aux button.) I cannot even get that far. I'm going to leave it plugged into the wall charger overnight and see what happens. In the meantime i ordered an after market Nokia battery charger. They are cheap but it looks like it may take a week or so to get it. - Original Message - From: Shawn \prjktdtnt\ Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:31:17 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery Vince M. Clark wrote: My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. The following thread offered three possible solutions: http://n2.nabble.com/Can%27t-boot-Freerunner-without-battery---Was:-Re:-unable-to-start-up-freerunner-after-batterie-was-full-down-td526783.html Does anyone know where I can get an external charger that will work with the Freerunner battery? Vince Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] (303) 493-6723 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Vince, When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community When trying to get into NOR do you already have it plugged into your charger? That is how I was able to finally get mine to boot, you only need the actual OpenMoko charger until it starts up then you can use whatever USB charger you prefer. Just plug into wall-socket and phone, start NOR twice, viola. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Odd. Sadly that is the only way I was able to get mine going again, would be nice to see a patch that corrects the issue somehow so that people don't have to use workarounds in the future. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] install failure, fso-frameworkd is not going to be installed
Neil Jerram wrote: 2008/9/28 Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Solution! - Put both testing and unstable in your sources.list. - Install aptitude. (Possibly not actually necessary, but I'm used to it.) - Using aptitude: - Install libcaca0 and libcucul0, taking care to choose the 14 versions rather than the 15 ones. - Install gstreamer0.10-plugins-good. - Install fso-frameworkd. - Now it is clear that the dependency issue is solved, so back out to the shell and the installer script: ./install.sh fso /etc/init.d/qpe stop # if you are running Qtopia, as I am umount /dev/mmcblk0p1 umount /dev/mmcblk0p2 ./install.sh mount configuration kernel unmount Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Great find! I ran into this yesterday as well, but I have another question: I'm using Om2008.9 to install Debian on my Freerunner, how do I 'install' libcaca0 and libcucul0? I know I can access the card, but how do I install these libs to it? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-debian--install-failure%2C-fso-frameworkd-is-not-going-to-be-installed-tp1124046p1130308.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
On Wednesday 01 October 2008 09:37:22 Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: Vince M. Clark wrote: Thanks Shawn. I have tried NOR boot (holding aux button while pressing power button, then releasing aux button.) I cannot even get that far. I'm going to leave it plugged into the wall charger overnight and see what happens. In the meantime i ordered an after market Nokia battery charger. They are cheap but it looks like it may take a week or so to get it. Vince, When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. When trying to get into NOR do you already have it plugged into your charger? That is how I was able to finally get mine to boot, you only need the actual OpenMoko charger until it starts up then you can use whatever USB charger you prefer. Just plug into wall-socket and phone, start NOR twice, viola. Not to be a killjoy but I think there may be varied levels of 'dead'. I've had a similar situation but it's not always he case. When you can't get anything to happen, the only solution is to plug it in and go to bed (assuming you have no other options at hand). Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
