Re: New Rasterman Image...
Looks excellent! Can't seem to get suspend to work though. Is it because it's missing 'apm' or something? Also, would it be hard to port this to 2009.9? Is it more than a change of edje files? -Nick Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: In the enlightenment archives there's a new Rasterman image: - openmoko-illume-image-glibc-ipk--20080929-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 [1] It looks so cool with the new illume theme [2] [3] [4] [5] [6], but practically it has no telephony related software installed in since it seems a simple OE built with these scripts [7], so (I figure) that you're free to put in both the FSO and/or the Om2008.8 stack, just install the needed packages! Bye. [1] http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/ [2] http://forum.telefoninux.org/index.php/topic,533.0/topicseen.html [3] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-01.ogg [4] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-02.ogg [5] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-03.ogg [6] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-04.ogg [7] http://www.rasterman.com/files/oe-setup.tar.gz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Rasterman Image...
On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:00:53 +1000 nickd [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Looks excellent! Can't seem to get suspend to work though. Is it because it's missing 'apm' or something? Also, would it be hard to port this to 2009.9? Is it more than a change of edje files? its got it - thew FSO x builds dont allow aux and power buttons to be keys in x - so e can never get them (and no - i'm not going to do awful hacks like open kernel input devices directly when it should be punted through x). there is apm - but for some reason for me it wont wake up from suspend - no idea why. i havent really cared. thats a kernel problem and not somethnig i am wanting to focus on :( -Nick Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: In the enlightenment archives there's a new Rasterman image: - openmoko-illume-image-glibc-ipk--20080929-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 [1] It looks so cool with the new illume theme [2] [3] [4] [5] [6], but practically it has no telephony related software installed in since it seems a simple OE built with these scripts [7], so (I figure) that you're free to put in both the FSO and/or the Om2008.8 stack, just install the needed packages! Bye. [1] http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/ [2] http://forum.telefoninux.org/index.php/topic,533.0/topicseen.html [3] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-01.ogg [4] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-02.ogg [5] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-03.ogg [6] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-04.ogg [7] http://www.rasterman.com/files/oe-setup.tar.gz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian size and uSD
playing around with resize2fs worked, thanks. On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:52 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A consistency check with fdisk yielded that the size of the partition and the size of the filesystem do not match, and advised me to run e2fsck. e2fsck said there are no problems. I ran fdisk and e2fsck on FR-debian. gparted on my py sees the partition as 2GB. darn it. so? your partition might be 2g, but your fs still is 512mb. somebody explicitely mentioned to use resize2fs to make partitzion size and fs size match. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Bu mesaj UTF-8 ile kodlanmıştır - Atilla Filiz Technische Universiteit Eindhoven Embedded Systems, Master's Programme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Rasterman Image...
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 05:57, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] you will know its not there when its not offered as a correction in the short or long list. you get to delete what u typed and type again carefully. you only need to do this once. then it goes into the dict. [...] seriously - as an experiment, when you type a word and it gets the guess wrong pop up the full list and at the top is EXACTLY what you typed. [..] What I really miss is having what I really typed be immediatly available as an option (ie not having to pop up a list). Personnaly I would even prefer by far (but might be an option) that what I type is what is selected by default, and a computed word is shown in the box that I can choose instead, if I want... and even writing english text messages, it is too often I have to enter unknown names, locations, emails, whatever ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Rasterman Image...
raster the list I sent you was from the British National Corpus, but should be a good start. Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:05:53 -0600 Ori Pessach [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I understand what it's doing. It's not doing it well. I tried it for shell i disagree. it works like a charm for me - as per my previous mail - i can use it while walking down the street. more than i can say for pretty much any other virtual keyboard i have available to me. input, and it was an unusable mess. I tried it for text messaging, and it why someone would use a language dictionary-based corrective keyboard for shell input beats me! in this case i call silly user - using a motorcycle to deliver elephants line :) use the terminal keyboard. use a stylus. thats what it was meant for. :) was an unusable mess. It has no model of the likelihood of erroneous input it does. it absolutely does. maybe your fingers are incredibly off-center? here is the algorithm (and if u don't believe me - code is there to be read): it stores a press POINT (x,y). it looks for all keys whose center point is WITHIN f distance of x,y (f being the fuzz value - the .kbd file for the qwerty Default keyboard is 135 units wide, with fuzz radius of 20, so that's about 1/3rd of the keyboard that it searches through for a likely match). likelihood factors (distance) per key found is allocated based on distance (0 == most likely, 0 less likely the greater the value). each press is done this way EXCEPT if u hold for 0.25 sec then drag to select a key explicitly in zoom mode - then the ONLY key available for that word slot is that letter selected given a distance of 0. as you type all permutations of letters are searched and put into a list - with each permutation given a distance metric based on the letters used (simply addition of the distances). now this is combined with the dictionary's frequency metric (multiplied by an inverse) so the more likely the word is to be used the lower its distance becomes. words are sorted from most to least likely based on this metric then listed with most likely in the middle of the list, leas likely to the left/right ends - which you may not see. the vertical list lists all matches from most to least likely (top to bottom) with 1 exception - EXACTLY what u typed it as the top. it absolutely has a fairly good idea of likelihood of error and likelihood of usage of a word etc. etc. eg: Press | Guess+dist e e+0 w+1 r+2 d+2 s+1 r r+0 t+1 e+2 f+1 g+2 d+3 k k+0 l+1 o+2 i+3 j+3 d d+0 f+1 s+1 e+1 c+1 r+2 w+2 so erkd has distance 0 = but its not a word in the dictionary at all, so thrown out. rwkd has distance 1, but not a word, srkd same, etkd, efkd, erld, etc. etc. in the end it produces a list where most likely world ends up the word with other options too - and this is a much simplified list. mostly the list for candidate letters per input letter is about 10-12 letters. so u have 12*12*12*12 permutations for a 4 letter word - of which a fraction of that space is legitimate words. each permutation has a likelihood value based on press distance and on frequency of usage of that word in language in general in the dictionary. mind you - i AM talking about illume's keyboard, its algorithms as is in the image i built. if you use something else i cannot comment as it's something else. (relatively low) and instead appears to look for the word with the closest minimum edit distance to the user's input. This is nuts. I have never - it's not - as the edit distance is the likelihood of error. you likely press the key you want - or near it. thus keys near where you pressed are more likely than those further away. to limit search distance only up to a certain distance is searched. chances are that you do this: fingerprint: ___ /~~~\ |~~~| |~~~| \x/ where x is the pressure point reported on the touchscreen. the only info the touchscreen reports is the pressure point - nothing else. you think u press somewhere else, but don't. you know what u pressed bu what key pops up that lets u know pretty well how good your pressing of the screen is. this is just a hardware limit of a resistive touchscreen. the point of greatest pressure is used - not the middle point of the area in which skin contacts the screen. get the gpe-sketchbook and try press with the flat of your finger and see just of far off your press point is. it may surprise you. as i said - it does have all the model and code and even data to do proper correction based on many factors. i do NOT have a dictionary with frequency info for all of english - there is a small english dict (5000 words) with some frequency info in it i managed to gather, but its very small. if you don't believe me - read the code, or do better. patches accepted, but i think the problem is just that the dictionary
Re: dead battery
Sarton O'Brien a écrit : The 'leave it overnight' scenario is the best one I encounter for a dead battery ;) ... I think you'll be right. Sarton A good one is : - Hold down the aux key. - Put battery in. - Put usb in. - Hold down the power key. - Release aux key. - Wait for menu. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
MPlayer with Glamo
Hi, I'm trying to compile MPlayer with Glamo support following this site: http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/ But error occurs when compile it as follows: libaf/af.o:(.rodata+0x3c): undefined reference to `af_info_lavcac3enc' libavformat/libavformat.a(asf.o): In function `asf_read_header': asf.c:(.text+0x9bc): undefined reference to `get_wav_header' asf.c:(.text+0x9d8): undefined reference to `get_wav_header' libavformat/libavformat.a(asf-enc.o): In function `asf_write_header1': asf-enc.c:(.text+0xc20): undefined reference to `put_bmp_header' asf-enc.c:(.text+0x109c): undefined reference to `put_wav_header' libavformat/libavformat.a(avidec.o): In function `avi_read_header': avidec.c:(.text+0x25a8): undefined reference to `get_wav_header' libavformat/libavformat.a(avienc.o): In function `avi_write_idx1': avienc.c:(.text+0x490): undefined reference to `start_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x63c): undefined reference to `end_tag' libavformat/libavformat.a(avienc.o): In function `avi_write_trailer': avienc.c:(.text+0x694): undefined reference to `end_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x6a0): undefined reference to `end_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x830): undefined reference to `end_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x848): undefined reference to `end_tag' libavformat/libavformat.a(avienc.o):avienc.c:(.text+0xb08): more undefined references to `end_tag' follow libavformat/libavformat.a(avienc.o): In function `avi_write_packet': avienc.c:(.text+0xb58): undefined reference to `start_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0xb74): undefined reference to `start_tag' libavformat/libavformat.a(avienc.o): In function `avi_write_header': avienc.c:(.text+0xc8c): undefined reference to `start_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0xcac): undefined reference to `start_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0xed4): undefined reference to `end_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0xf1c): undefined reference to `start_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x10ac): undefined reference to `end_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x10c8): undefined reference to `end_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x10f8): undefined reference to `start_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x1120): undefined reference to `start_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x1240): undefined reference to `start_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x130c): undefined reference to `end_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x1364): undefined reference to `start_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x1388): undefined reference to `put_bmp_header' avienc.c:(.text+0x1398): undefined reference to `end_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x13b8): undefined reference to `end_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x13c4): undefined reference to `start_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x15c4): undefined reference to `end_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x15d0): undefined reference to `start_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x1604): undefined reference to `end_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x1610): undefined reference to `start_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x166c): undefined reference to `start_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x16c8): undefined reference to `end_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x187c): undefined reference to `put_wav_header' libavformat/libavformat.a(dxa.o): In function `dxa_read_header': dxa.c:(.text+0x63c): undefined reference to `get_wav_header' libavformat/libavformat.a(matroskaenc.o): In function `mkv_write_tracks': matroskaenc.c:(.text+0x1b88): undefined reference to `put_bmp_header' matroskaenc.c:(.text+0x1eac): undefined reference to `put_wav_header' libavformat/libavformat.a(mmf.o): In function `mmf_write_header': mmf.c:(.text+0x49c): undefined reference to `start_tag' mmf.c:(.text+0x5f4): undefined reference to `start_tag' libavformat/libavformat.a(nuv.o): In function `nuv_header': nuv.c:(.text+0x564): undefined reference to `wav_codec_get_id' libavformat/libavformat.a(wav.o): In function `wav_write_trailer': wav.c:(.text+0xc0): undefined reference to `end_tag' libavformat/libavformat.a(wav.o): In function `wav_write_header': wav.c:(.text+0x31c): undefined reference to `start_tag' wav.c:(.text+0x334): undefined reference to `put_wav_header' wav.c:(.text+0x354): undefined reference to `end_tag' wav.c:(.text+0x3c8): undefined reference to `start_tag' wav.c:(.text+0x3e4): undefined reference to `start_tag' wav.c:(.text+0x408): undefined reference to `end_tag' libavformat/libavformat.a(wav.o): In function `wav_read_header': wav.c:(.text+0x508): undefined reference to `get_wav_header' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [mplayer] Error 1 Could you please show me where goes wrong? Thanks. Cheers, ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] xterm larger fonts
On 01/10/2008, at 2:07 AM, Matthias Apitz wrote: Any hint about the name of a larger font that could be used with 'xterm -fn ...'? I'm as well missing 'xlsfonts' in FR :-( xterm -fn -*-fixed-medium-*-*-*-20-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ? Here's the xlsfonts binary from Debian. It's probably binary compatible enough to work on Om2008.9 as well. http://meshy.org/~ato/tmp/xlsfonts ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.8] [2008.9] [qtopia] earphones
i'll try! then if it works i'll add to the wiki. answers below: On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:37 PM, Atilla Filiz [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: My eperience with the headset: If you plug it all the way in, you hear from one side. You pull it out a bit, you hear from teh other side. There is a sweet spot where you can get sound from both sides. Experiment slowly. this appens with every kind of device ;-) in this way you hear only one channel! you're touching with one pin the two channels of the earphones (this is sure trust me). try with your hifi - this is not a solution d On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 8:02 PM, Alastair Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Davide Scaini wrote: Thanks a lot I'll try! why there's no wiki about that? Because nobody's added it yet ;-) If it sorts the problem for you then please add the details to the wiki. thanks again d On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 6:40 PM, Alastair Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Davide Scaini wrote: hi all, if I connect the earphones at the fr i can hear only from one side... is that and hardware or a software problem? I tried with asu and qtopia with the same result (the earphones are ok...) thanks d qtopia and 2008.x don't switch alsa state files on insertion of the headset. This leaves you with the stereoout.state which will give output in one ear of the headset only. You need to load headset.state instead: alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/headset.state restore You may have to switch states manually rather frequently, depending on how aware of the headset the various apps are. You may want to switch to gsmheadset.state during phone calls for instance. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Bu mesaj UTF-8 ile kodlanmıştır - Atilla Filiz Technische Universiteit Eindhoven Embedded Systems, Master's Programme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
On 1 Oct 2008, at 12:28, Nishit Dave wrote: All this discussion does not help if you realize that even after placing the FR *next* to the blooming router, you get reported a signal strength of 65%. What does the hardware expect, building the router *inside* the FR? Nishit, The company that sold you your Freerunner offered you refund, already. I assumed that you would take this, leave the list and STOP FUCKING WHINING. I guess this was too much for me to hope for, huh? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[debian] going to install - hints?
Hi, in these days i'm going to install debian. Do you have any hints before starting to have a nice installation? thanks! d ps: i read about the fso kernel suspending problem, so is it better for me to use om kernel? thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] xterm larger fonts
El día Thursday, October 02, 2008 a las 06:45:59PM +1000, Alex Osborne escribió: On 01/10/2008, at 2:07 AM, Matthias Apitz wrote: Any hint about the name of a larger font that could be used with 'xterm -fn ...'? I'm as well missing 'xlsfonts' in FR :-( xterm -fn -*-fixed-medium-*-*-*-20-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ? Here's the xlsfonts binary from Debian. It's probably binary compatible enough to work on Om2008.9 as well. http://meshy.org/~ato/tmp/xlsfonts Thanks for this; it produced: -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--0-0-75-75-c-0-iso8859-1 -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-100-100-100-c-60-iso8859-1 -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1 6x13 cursor fixed maybe I'm missing some pkg for more fonts; matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Rasterman Image...
Quoting Joel Newkirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:32:34 -0600, Ori Pessach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question about the predictive keyboard shown in one of those movies snip --Ori Pessach Intended, you just have to understand what it's doing. Unlike T9 and other predictive inputs that are familiar from cellphones, the keyboard predictive process looks at neighboring keys, 'predicting' that periodically you may hit the wrong one. (if you're using your finger that's pretty likely, especially if they're as wide as mine) At first look I thought this keyboard was useless. Coming back to it later I started to see how it worked, but still switched to a full dvorak layout with stylus all the time. Seeing this thread I took another look ... stylus ... finger...! Now I love it! I can mash all over the keyboard with my fat fingers and it makes the right words available almost every time! No more squinting in poor light trying to get exactly the right key with the stylus. I think I'll be using this predictive keyboard a lot more. IanS ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Rasterman Image...
On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 05:12:44 -0400 Ian Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Quoting Joel Newkirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:32:34 -0600, Ori Pessach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question about the predictive keyboard shown in one of those movies snip --Ori Pessach Intended, you just have to understand what it's doing. Unlike T9 and other predictive inputs that are familiar from cellphones, the keyboard predictive process looks at neighboring keys, 'predicting' that periodically you may hit the wrong one. (if you're using your finger that's pretty likely, especially if they're as wide as mine) At first look I thought this keyboard was useless. Coming back to it later I started to see how it worked, but still switched to a full dvorak layout with stylus all the time. Seeing this thread I took another look ... stylus ... finger...! Now I love it! I can mash all over the keyboard with my fat fingers and it makes the right words available almost every time! No more squinting in poor light trying to get exactly the right key with the stylus. I think I'll be using this predictive keyboard a lot more. and he started doing the monster mash! mash mash mash! :) now you've got the spirit! :) yes. if you want to hen-peck with a stylus - use terminal (or use a terminal where a dictionary makes no sense). if you want to write english and mach about with your fingers! use default (alpha) layout and let the dictionary fix up your monster mash. :) mash more and more over time and its idea of what words are more important that others to match will improve over time as you use it. of course words not in the dictionary can't be de-mashed, so just hold and drag in zoom moved to enter them just once (per word not in the dict)... (have the patience) and thereafter... mash away!. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Google analytic records of September
Dear all: Here is the google analytic records of September: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wiki_statistic_numbers#September, 2008 Feel free to let me know , if I missed anything you want to know. Brenda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gsmhandset state file to test
David Samblas wrote: Hi there on of our colleges[1] of the spanish list has provided us with an gsmhanset state file that solves low volume on call reciver , I have barelly tested it alone with a phone en each ear :). I will test it further along the day and post the results, any one else willing to try is wellcome to do it. from neo or ssh console cd /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ mv gsmhandset.state gsmhandset.state.original wget http://n2.nabble.com/attachment/1129707/0/gsmhandset.state [1]The original post http://n2.nabble.com/-Fwd%3A-eco-y-audio--tc1129707ef1958.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community People aren't having any problems hearing me with this state file but I can't hear anything on the already quiet speaker. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Rasterman Image...
On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:59:20 -0700 Steve Mosher [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: aha! a decent frequency corpus (a few thousand words). i'll merge this with the default us dict (and remove the small one as now that's useless). Hey raster, How's it going. I promised you some frequency data a while back. http://ucrel.lancs.ac.uk/bncfreq/flists.html http://ucrel.lancs.ac.uk/bncfreq/lists/1_2_all_freq.txt there are others as well Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:05:53 -0600 Ori Pessach [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I understand what it's doing. It's not doing it well. I tried it for shell i disagree. it works like a charm for me - as per my previous mail - i can use it while walking down the street. more than i can say for pretty much any other virtual keyboard i have available to me. input, and it was an unusable mess. I tried it for text messaging, and it why someone would use a language dictionary-based corrective keyboard for shell input beats me! in this case i call silly user - using a motorcycle to deliver elephants line :) use the terminal keyboard. use a stylus. thats what it was meant for. :) was an unusable mess. It has no model of the likelihood of erroneous input it does. it absolutely does. maybe your fingers are incredibly off-center? here is the algorithm (and if u don't believe me - code is there to be read): it stores a press POINT (x,y). it looks for all keys whose center point is WITHIN f distance of x,y (f being the fuzz value - the .kbd file for the qwerty Default keyboard is 135 units wide, with fuzz radius of 20, so that's about 1/3rd of the keyboard that it searches through for a likely match). likelihood factors (distance) per key found is allocated based on distance (0 == most likely, 0 less likely the greater the value). each press is done this way EXCEPT if u hold for 0.25 sec then drag to select a key explicitly in zoom mode - then the ONLY key available for that word slot is that letter selected given a distance of 0. as you type all permutations of letters are searched and put into a list - with each permutation given a distance metric based on the letters used (simply addition of the distances). now this is combined with the dictionary's frequency metric (multiplied by an inverse) so the more likely the word is to be used the lower its distance becomes. words are sorted from most to least likely based on this metric then listed with most likely in the middle of the list, leas likely to the left/right ends - which you may not see. the vertical list lists all matches from most to least likely (top to bottom) with 1 exception - EXACTLY what u typed it as the top. it absolutely has a fairly good idea of likelihood of error and likelihood of usage of a word etc. etc. eg: Press | Guess+dist e e+0 w+1 r+2 d+2 s+1 r r+0 t+1 e+2 f+1 g+2 d+3 k k+0 l+1 o+2 i+3 j+3 d d+0 f+1 s+1 e+1 c+1 r+2 w+2 so erkd has distance 0 = but its not a word in the dictionary at all, so thrown out. rwkd has distance 1, but not a word, srkd same, etkd, efkd, erld, etc. etc. in the end it produces a list where most likely world ends up the word with other options too - and this is a much simplified list. mostly the list for candidate letters per input letter is about 10-12 letters. so u have 12*12*12*12 permutations for a 4 letter word - of which a fraction of that space is legitimate words. each permutation has a likelihood value based on press distance and on frequency of usage of that word in language in general in the dictionary. mind you - i AM talking about illume's keyboard, its algorithms as is in the image i built. if you use something else i cannot comment as it's something else. (relatively low) and instead appears to look for the word with the closest minimum edit distance to the user's input. This is nuts. I have never - it's not - as the edit distance is the likelihood of error. you likely press the key you want - or near it. thus keys near where you pressed are more likely than those further away. to limit search distance only up to a certain distance is searched. chances are that you do this: fingerprint: ___ /~~~\ |~~~| |~~~| \x/ where x is the pressure point reported on the touchscreen. the only info the touchscreen reports is the pressure point - nothing else. you think u press somewhere else, but don't. you know what u pressed bu what key pops up that lets u know pretty well how good your pressing of the screen is. this is just a hardware limit of a resistive touchscreen. the point of greatest pressure is used - not the middle point of the area in which skin contacts the screen. get the gpe-sketchbook and try press with the flat of your finger and see just of far off your press point is. it may surprise you. as i said -
Re: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released!
It's out! http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/ On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 02:51, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Lorn Potter wrote: Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Cool... Btw I've seen that there are also some commercial (premium) modules that could be integrated with Qtopia, also if they're not open source. Well, will be there a way to get the torch mobile browser, for example? This is the full functionality Iris web browser. This was not developed by Qt Software. There is a simple example web browser in the qtextended sources. You would have to contact the premium module companies to find out if they are releasing a version for the Neo. None of the 'premium' modules were developed by Qt Software. Qt Extended is fully dual licensed. Yeah, I knew that but the company which has developed Iris said to another user that the browser is available just for Trolltech/Nokia and not for all users... Can you confirm this or maybe there's a way to get it? -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released!
Stability and battery life are my primary concernn. If it is stable enough to be a primary phone and survive for 60+ hours, i'm definitely going for it. On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Tobias Kündig [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: It's out! http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/ On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 02:51, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Lorn Potter wrote: Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Cool... Btw I've seen that there are also some commercial (premium) modules that could be integrated with Qtopia, also if they're not open source. Well, will be there a way to get the torch mobile browser, for example? This is the full functionality Iris web browser. This was not developed by Qt Software. There is a simple example web browser in the qtextended sources. You would have to contact the premium module companies to find out if they are releasing a version for the Neo. None of the 'premium' modules were developed by Qt Software. Qt Extended is fully dual licensed. Yeah, I knew that but the company which has developed Iris said to another user that the browser is available just for Trolltech/Nokia and not for all users... Can you confirm this or maybe there's a way to get it? -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Bu mesaj UTF-8 ile kodlanmıştır - Atilla Filiz Technische Universiteit Eindhoven Embedded Systems, Master's Programme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: voip on Debian
TL Mieszkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: asterisk will make an excellent voip backend for the neo Asterisk is dead. Long live freeswitch. Didn't you get the memo?;) -- Esben Stien is [EMAIL PROTECTED] s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released!
what the link to a kernel image for it? 2008/10/2 Atilla Filiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stability and battery life are my primary concernn. If it is stable enough to be a primary phone and survive for 60+ hours, i'm definitely going for it. On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Tobias Kündig [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: It's out! http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/ On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 02:51, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Lorn Potter wrote: Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Cool... Btw I've seen that there are also some commercial (premium) modules that could be integrated with Qtopia, also if they're not open source. Well, will be there a way to get the torch mobile browser, for example? This is the full functionality Iris web browser. This was not developed by Qt Software. There is a simple example web browser in the qtextended sources. You would have to contact the premium module companies to find out if they are releasing a version for the Neo. None of the 'premium' modules were developed by Qt Software. Qt Extended is fully dual licensed. Yeah, I knew that but the company which has developed Iris said to another user that the browser is available just for Trolltech/Nokia and not for all users... Can you confirm this or maybe there's a way to get it? -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Bu mesaj UTF-8 ile kodlanmıştır - Atilla Filiz Technische Universiteit Eindhoven Embedded Systems, Master's Programme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Russ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Rasterman Image...
El jue, 02-10-2008 a las 03:18 +0200, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) escribió: In the enlightenment archives there's a new Rasterman image: - openmoko-illume-image-glibc-ipk--20080929-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 [1] It looks so cool with the new illume theme [2] [3] [4] [5] [6], but practically it has no telephony related software installed in since it seems a simple OE built with these scripts [7], so (I figure) that you're free to put in both the FSO and/or the Om2008.8 stack, just install the needed packages! Any way to doing this inverted? from a already build 2008.9 stack add this beautifull front end? Bye. [1] http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/ [2] http://forum.telefoninux.org/index.php/topic,533.0/topicseen.html [3] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-01.ogg [4] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-02.ogg [5] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-03.ogg [6] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-04.ogg [7] http://www.rasterman.com/files/oe-setup.tar.gz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates
Al Johnson wrote: On Friday 19 September 2008, Michael Shiloh wrote: Denis Galvão wrote: On 18/09/2008, at 01:56, Adam Bogacki wrote: I like the concept and would like to volunteer to test a prototype in New Zealand conditions. For sure Adam. Like Michael said, we should start something in the wiki. I was looking for something similar and found this: http://www.sonimtech.com/ This is what Im looking for, at least as a water proof case. Is this possible to use the actual GTA_02 hardware version to do: - Compass ? - Altimeter ? How should be the best way to have this information on the phone? Using an external hardware module? I'm thinking we need to make a generic expandable water proof (or at least harsh conditions proof) case for the FR. Have a look at otterbox.com - their 1900 and 3600 cases may be what you're looking for. I'm going to ask them about custom cases for the openmoko, either as something to clamp around as they do with their other phone-specific cases, or as a total case replacement. Otterbox would consider making a custom case if a sufficiently large order is placed by Openmoko rather than a third party. As a rough guide this is probably thousands rather than tens of thousands. Is there enough demand? We have the outdoor contingent, but that may not be enough. I imagine the Sahana disaster management project [1] would find the phones even more useful if they were more robust, as perhaps would the archaeologists [2][3]. A device that can survive the warehouse or delivery van might find industrial markets, and one that can be dunked in disinfectant or steam cleaned might be useful in a medical environment. [1] http://www.sahana.lk/ [2] http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/category/OLPA [3] http://gvsigmobileonopenmoko.wordpress.com/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] going to install - hints?
Davide Scaini wrote: Do you have any hints before starting to have a nice installation? Sorry for the delay, but better late than never! go here - https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_Freerunner And update u-boot by going to the section marked Flashing the boot loader to the NAND. You'll want this because u-boot has improved and because the older u-boot couldn't boot the kernel from ext2. You may also want to get a program called neocon - it allows you to halt the phone in the bootloader phase, giving you long to kick off dfu-util to update uboot. Then just follow the wiki - http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner It took me a couple of hours but all worked pretty well. I gave up on debian pretty quickly because I stopped getting any GSM signal/registration after a while. I liked the zhone interface though, and it seemed more responsive. Also having the full apt repository is amazing. It's now FDOM for me, though as and when debian/FSO is known to be more stable I might switch again. I like debian, and the size of the community ensures that information is easy to find and community support done well. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-debian--going-to-install---hints--tp1133446p1133623.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released!
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 13:03, Russell Hay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what the link to a kernel image for it? On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Tobias Kündig [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: It's out! http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/ And how can we keep our data ? Can we keep current /home, or just qtopia database, or do we have to migrate it manually ? what about the root file system in this release ? Same as previous, or aligned on 2008.9 ? Personnaly I currently use previous Qtopia on top of 2008.8 -updated to test releases-. Is there something special to do to add qtopia to a standard 2008.9 distribution (maybe at least without X11 qtopia packages) ? Lorn said that qtopia 4.4 should allow having an .opk to install/upgrade... is it available ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: voip on Debian
Ekiga? did you tryed that on [EMAIL PROTECTED] so curious! d On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Esben Stien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TL Mieszkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: asterisk will make an excellent voip backend for the neo Asterisk is dead. Long live freeswitch. Didn't you get the memo?;) -- Esben Stien is [EMAIL PROTECTED] s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Rasterman Image...
Any way to doing this inverted? from a already build 2008.9 stack add this beautifull front end? i'm interested in this last option... ;-) Rasterman illume us! d On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 1:11 PM, David Samblas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: El jue, 02-10-2008 a las 03:18 +0200, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) escribió: In the enlightenment archives there's a new Rasterman image: - openmoko-illume-image-glibc-ipk--20080929-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 [1] It looks so cool with the new illume theme [2] [3] [4] [5] [6], but practically it has no telephony related software installed in since it seems a simple OE built with these scripts [7], so (I figure) that you're free to put in both the FSO and/or the Om2008.8 stack, just install the needed packages! Any way to doing this inverted? from a already build 2008.9 stack add this beautifull front end? Bye. [1] http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/ [2] http://forum.telefoninux.org/index.php/topic,533.0/topicseen.html [3] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-01.ogg [4] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-02.ogg [5] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-03.ogg [6] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-04.ogg [7] http://www.rasterman.com/files/oe-setup.tar.gz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] going to install - hints?
ok i tought it was even bigger! I was thinking to buy a 8gb sd card, but maybe 4gb are enough! Thanks and what about the boot speed-up script: is that useful? thanks for your hints! d On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 2008/10/2 Davide Scaini [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, in these days i'm going to install debian. Do you have any hints before starting to have a nice installation? My hint: first get a bigger uSD card than the 0.5Gb that comes with the FR. Joachim's install takes around 450Mb, which leaves very little room for further playing! Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released!
Just use the one from 4.3.3-snapshot: http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=82 Russell Hay wrote: what the link to a kernel image for it? 2008/10/2 Atilla Filiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stability and battery life are my primary concernn. If it is stable enough to be a primary phone and survive for 60+ hours, i'm definitely going for it. On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Tobias Kündig [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's out! http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/ On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 02:51, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lorn Potter wrote: Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Cool... Btw I've seen that there are also some commercial (premium) modules that could be integrated with Qtopia, also if they're not open source. Well, will be there a way to get the torch mobile browser, for example? This is the full functionality Iris web browser. This was not developed by Qt Software. There is a simple example web browser in the qtextended sources. You would have to contact the premium module companies to find out if they are releasing a version for the Neo. None of the 'premium' modules were developed by Qt Software. Qt Extended is fully dual licensed. Yeah, I knew that but the company which has developed Iris said to another user that the browser is available just for Trolltech/Nokia and not for all users... Can you confirm this or maybe there's a way to get it? -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Bu mesaj UTF-8 ile kodlanmıştır - Atilla Filiz Technische Universiteit Eindhoven Embedded Systems, Master's Programme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Russ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
calm down, its a fact, that freerunners wlan is far away from optimum. try a wget shortly after doing ifup eth0 - everything works try wget some minutes later (no suspend/resume in between) from same server - no download, even if ping still works ifdown eth0, ifup eth0 - wget works again same with opkg install, update, upgrade etc. under 2007.2, 2008.08, debian ... - wlan drivers not working well i think this should also be a high priority aspect to work on for Openmoko. bye vale Stroller-2 wrote: On 1 Oct 2008, at 12:28, Nishit Dave wrote: All this discussion does not help if you realize that even after placing the FR *next* to the blooming router, you get reported a signal strength of 65%. What does the hardware expect, building the router *inside* the FR? Nishit, The company that sold you your Freerunner offered you refund, already. I assumed that you would take this, leave the list and STOP FUCKING WHINING. I guess this was too much for me to hope for, huh? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-2008.9--Wifi-very-unreliable-tp1128409p1133869.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
How to build qt-extended?
I'm trying to build qt-extended myself, but build process fails, anyone may help? This is what i did: cd /opt wget http://qtextended.org/downloads/neo/arm920t-eabi-ficgta01-toolchain.tgz tar xzvfC arm920t-eabi-ficgta01-toolchain.tgz / wget http://qtextended.org/downloads/source/qt-extended-opensource-src-4.4.1.tar.gz tar xvzf qt-extended-opensource-src-4.4.1.tar.gz mkdir build cd build export QTOPIA_DEPOT_PATH=/opt/qt-extended-4.4.1 $QTOPIA_DEPOT_PATH/configure -device neo it results in: *** Configuring Qt Extended (expanded commandline): -using-device neo -ui-type mobile -dynamic-rotation -ssl -dbus -libamr -pictureflow -add-mediaengines cruxus -add-modules bluetooth -add-modules cell -add-modules connectivity -add-modules devtools -add-modules essentials -add-modules games -add-modules inputmethods -add-modules location -add-modules media -add-modules messaging -add-modules pim -add-modules pkgmanagement -add-modules telephony -add-modules ui -displaysize 480x640 -font dejavu_sans_condensed:10,12,13,16,28:50 -font dejavu_sans_condensed:13,14,15,16,20,21,23,32,36:75 -xplatform linux-neo-g++ -arch arm -languages en_US -prefix /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia -extra-qtopiacore-config -qt-mouse-tslib -sound-system alsa -mkconf -make /usr/bin/gmake -no-save-options -make /usr/bin/gmake -using-mkconf -no-save-options *** This is the Qt Extended Open Source Edition. You are licensed to use this software under the terms of the GPL. Please see the file LICENSE.GPL for the licensing terms. Type 'yes' to accept this license offer. Type 'no' to decline this license offer. Do you accept this license agreement? yes Testing the system Qt: OK Qt Extended is using the following locations: Qt PREFIX = /usr Qt LIBRARIES = /usr/lib/qt4 Qt BINARIES= /usr/bin Qt HEADERS = /usr/include/qt4 Qt Embedded SOURCE tree = /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1/qtopiacore/qt Qt Embedded BUILD tree = /opt/build/qtopiacore/target Qt Extended SOURCE tree = /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1 Qt Extended BUILD tree = /opt/build Qt Extended SDKtree = /opt/build/sdk Checking the compiler (host): OK (GCC 4, Little Endian) Checking the compiler (target): OK (GCC 4, Little Endian) Bootstrap QBuild: ... OK Testing QBuild: OK Testing for ALSA: OK Testing Qt Extended Media Engines: cruxus Checking QMAKE_RPATH: -Wl,-rpath-link, Testing for OpenSSL: FAIL ERROR: You requested -ssl but it was disabled. gmake: *** [src/build/mkconf/configure] Error 1 adding -no-ssl switch to configure line: *** Configuring Qt Extended (expanded commandline): -using-device neo -ui-type mobile -dynamic-rotation -ssl -dbus -libamr -pictureflow -add-mediaengines cruxus -add-modules bluetooth -add-modules cell -add-modules connectivity -add-modules devtools -add-modules essentials -add-modules games -add-modules inputmethods -add-modules location -add-modules media -add-modules messaging -add-modules pim -add-modules pkgmanagement -add-modules telephony -add-modules ui -displaysize 480x640 -font dejavu_sans_condensed:10,12,13,16,28:50 -font dejavu_sans_condensed:13,14,15,16,20,21,23,32,36:75 -xplatform linux-neo-g++ -arch arm -languages en_US -prefix /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia -extra-qtopiacore-config -qt-mouse-tslib -sound-system alsa -no-ssl -mkconf -make /usr/bin/gmake -no-save-options -make /usr/bin/gmake -using-mkconf -no-save-options *** This is the Qt Extended Open Source Edition. You are licensed to use this software under the terms of the GPL. Please see the file LICENSE.GPL for the licensing terms. Type 'yes' to accept this license offer. Type 'no' to decline this license offer. Do you accept this license agreement? yes Testing the system Qt: OK Qt Extended is using the following locations: Qt PREFIX = /usr Qt LIBRARIES = /usr/lib/qt4 Qt BINARIES= /usr/bin Qt HEADERS = /usr/include/qt4 Qt Embedded SOURCE tree = /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1/qtopiacore/qt Qt Embedded BUILD tree = /opt/build/qtopiacore/target Qt Extended SOURCE tree = /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1 Qt Extended BUILD tree = /opt/build Qt Extended SDKtree = /opt/build/sdk Checking the compiler (host): OK (GCC 4, Little Endian) Checking the compiler (target): OK (GCC 4, Little Endian) Bootstrap QBuild: ... OK Testing QBuild: OK Testing for ALSA: OK Testing Qt Extended Media Engines: cruxus Checking QMAKE_RPATH: -Wl,-rpath-link, Testing for dynamic rotation: OK Testing DBUS: OK Checking for PAGE_SIZE and PAGE_MASK: MISSING WARNING: QSharedMemoryCache will not throw away unused pages Testing for strict warning flags your compiler accepts: -Wall -Woverloaded-virtual Testing
Re: dead battery
On 2008.10.01.13.05, Vince M. Clark wrote: | I've tried multiple times with no success. How about removing all SD and SIM cards, does that help? --Brock ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to build qt-extended?
OpenSSL support . no Is the SSL support activated in the released image on qtextended.org ? I guess it is still needed for ie. encrypted IMAP ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.09][FSO] Programming interface to wifi Icon
Joel Newkirk wrote: On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:39:08 +0100, Arigead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Yes I would like to use the Icon on the top of the illume bar. I was thinking interfacing this to my daemon so regardless of app you can see the wifi status the same as you can see the GSM status at present. If anybody knows about somewhat different :-) Would this presently be set by Kernel code the Window Manager? It's part of the edje setup for the main screen, in illume.edj. (well, that can differ - I've always installed illume-config and illume-config-illume) You can think of the .edj file as a theme package of sorts, although it abstracts more UI handling out of the program than traditional theming. In OO fashion it separates all the user interaction into the edje file, with the main application interacting via signals to change UI or respond to user actions and triggers generated by the UI itself. You can set up in the .edj file to support changing icons triggered by signals from 'outside', and emit signals when some UI interaction (IE, click the icon) takes place. I'm interested in doing something similar with USB, showing whether it's in host or device mode, networking vs mass storage if device mode, sending or expecting power, forcing 500mA or 1000mA charging, and ability to change all the above. The program edje_editor is great for taking a look at such features. It's part of the E17 desktop setup, I've been playing with it in the developer VM I'm working on. It takes the intact .edj file and extracts all the configs, images, etc from it and gives you a nice WYSYWIG GUI editor. BTW - I printed out the actual text config from illume.edj, it's about 100 pages long... A simpler starting point to learn your way around .edj and edje_editor is illume_init.edj, the startup theme. (second view of the boots, with the green scanning back and forth instead of indicating percent progress) It's quite easy to drop in a different background image, redefine the animation, etc this way. (Now what we really need is a tool running ON the FR that decompiles the main .edj file and lets us replace wallpaper, etc - basic customization, not full-on UI redesign work) j Joel you're a star. Thanks a million for your help on this. Your USB version sounds like a great one as well so let us know when you get that done. Be great to click the icon and get the options no fuss. It's the logical place for Info/Feedback/Options. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.09][FSO] Programming interface to wifi Icon
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:20:23 -0400 Joel Newkirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:39:08 +0100, Arigead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm baffled. that bar wt the top is always visible - it's not part of your app (and it only is invisible if your app goes fullsreen). note that the icon is entirely part of the theme and may vary based on whatever theme you use. the bar is part of the window manager and its contents are controlled by code running in the wm process (either core or loadable modules). there are no signals for pressing the icon published - it's internal and up to the gadget code for that icon (in e terms it's a gadget). as its tny icon, pressing it is not that useful and so does nothing. The illume-config menu is brought up from a tiny spanner Icon in the drop down menu. I don't see any difference but I'm not forcing anybody to use a particular method. I would agree that there are disadvantages to having the tiny icon used in this way especially if you've got fat fingers. On the other hand given that you've got the space for an icon there all the time why not use it to convey some useful info. Given the size of the screen you can't really expect big icons anyhow. Anyhow I'm just messing with an idea at the moment which may turn out to be a bad idea. It won't be my first but thanks a million for the information anyhow and maybe at some point I'll get this working. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released!
Actually - I used the one from the flash image; *Version:* 4.3.2 [image: Submitted Date] 2008/8/29 2008/10/2 Tobias Kündig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just use the one from 4.3.3-snapshot: http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=82 Russell Hay wrote: what the link to a kernel image for it? 2008/10/2 Atilla Filiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stability and battery life are my primary concernn. If it is stable enough to be a primary phone and survive for 60+ hours, i'm definitely going for it. On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Tobias Kündig [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's out! http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/ On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 02:51, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lorn Potter wrote: Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Cool... Btw I've seen that there are also some commercial (premium) modules that could be integrated with Qtopia, also if they're not open source. Well, will be there a way to get the torch mobile browser, for example? This is the full functionality Iris web browser. This was not developed by Qt Software. There is a simple example web browser in the qtextended sources. You would have to contact the premium module companies to find out if they are releasing a version for the Neo. None of the 'premium' modules were developed by Qt Software. Qt Extended is fully dual licensed. Yeah, I knew that but the company which has developed Iris said to another user that the browser is available just for Trolltech/Nokia and not for all users... Can you confirm this or maybe there's a way to get it? -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto: community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Bu mesaj UTF-8 ile kodlanmıştır - Atilla Filiz Technische Universiteit Eindhoven Embedded Systems, Master's Programme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Russ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Russ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
OK now you guys are just messing with me ;-) Nothing is working. I've taken everything out, tried all different combinations based on suggestions from the community. I'm sure at this point I have a totally dead battery and old u-boot. I'll get it jump started and update u-boot. - Original Message - From: Xavier Cremaschi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 2:14:07 AM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery Sarton O'Brien a écrit : The 'leave it overnight' scenario is the best one I encounter for a dead battery ;) ... I think you'll be right. Sarton A good one is : - Hold down the aux key. - Put battery in. - Put usb in. - Hold down the power key. - Release aux key. - Wait for menu. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[qtopia]how to rotate screen from the shell?
Hi, I need to rotate the screen from the shell with a command. Anybody knows how to do that? Thanks in advance ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
El día Thursday, October 02, 2008 a las 06:19:30AM -0700, vale escribió: calm down, its a fact, that freerunners wlan is far away from optimum. try a wget shortly after doing ifup eth0 - everything works try wget some minutes later (no suspend/resume in between) from same server - no download, even if ping still works ifdown eth0, ifup eth0 - wget works again same with opkg install, update, upgrade etc. under 2007.2, 2008.08, debian ... - wlan drivers not working well I can't ACK that anymore; I have wget ten times a file of 22 MByte right now: # for i in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ; do rm file ; wget http://albatros/share/sisis-dev/guru/file; done Connecting to albatros (10.0.1.98:80) file100% || 22942k 00:00:00 ETA (10x) without any kind of hick-ups; and the interface does not show any kind of error: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifconfig eth0 eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:12:CF:8E:FC:5F inet addr:10.0.1.217 Bcast:10.0.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::212:cfff:fe8e:fc5f/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:285483 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:121870 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:431367301 (411.3 MiB) TX bytes:9439240 (9.0 MiB) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# iwlist eth0 scan eth0 Scan completed : Cell 01 - Address: 00:04:E2:A1:76:0B ESSID:santaclara Mode:Master Frequency:2.442 GHz (Channel 7) Quality=16/94 Signal level=-79 dBm Noise level=-95 dBm Encryption key:on Extra:bcn_int=100 Extra:wpa_ie=... i.e. Wifi for me it works fine now; matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FDOM] dfu-error -71
2008/9/27 rhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi I've just tried to flash my freerunner with the newest FDOM and ran into a problem with dfu-util. Long story short, here's the console output: I'm having this problem just now with qtopia, the first time i tried as normal user i got error 71, the second i tried as root and i got error 84 !?!? Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
add a sleep 500 to your loop ;) which image / kernel are you using? thx vale Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Thursday, October 02, 2008 a las 06:19:30AM -0700, vale escribió: calm down, its a fact, that freerunners wlan is far away from optimum. try a wget shortly after doing ifup eth0 - everything works try wget some minutes later (no suspend/resume in between) from same server - no download, even if ping still works ifdown eth0, ifup eth0 - wget works again same with opkg install, update, upgrade etc. under 2007.2, 2008.08, debian ... - wlan drivers not working well I can't ACK that anymore; I have wget ten times a file of 22 MByte right now: # for i in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ; do rm file ; wget http://albatros/share/sisis-dev/guru/file; done Connecting to albatros (10.0.1.98:80) file100% || 22942k 00:00:00 ETA (10x) without any kind of hick-ups; and the interface does not show any kind of error: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifconfig eth0 eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:12:CF:8E:FC:5F inet addr:10.0.1.217 Bcast:10.0.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::212:cfff:fe8e:fc5f/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:285483 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:121870 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:431367301 (411.3 MiB) TX bytes:9439240 (9.0 MiB) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# iwlist eth0 scan eth0 Scan completed : Cell 01 - Address: 00:04:E2:A1:76:0B ESSID:santaclara Mode:Master Frequency:2.442 GHz (Channel 7) Quality=16/94 Signal level=-79 dBm Noise level=-95 dBm Encryption key:on Extra:bcn_int=100 Extra:wpa_ie=... i.e. Wifi for me it works fine now; matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-2008.9--Wifi-very-unreliable-tp1128409p1134044.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MPlayer with Glamo
http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=stableMeng Sun ha scritto: Hi, I'm trying to compile MPlayer with Glamo support following this site: http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/ But error occurs when compile it as follows: [CUT] I had problems too, then I found how to compile it. Simply use this configuration script [1]. If you want a pre-compiled version look at this [2], while if you need the patched kernel (that shouldn't be needed anymore BTW) is here [3]. [1] http://tinyurl.com/4y4run [2] http://downloads.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/openmoko/mplayer-glamo.tar.bz2 [3] http://tinyurl.com/uImage-gta02-stable-glamo-vid -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
El día Thursday, October 02, 2008 a las 07:35:23AM -0700, vale escribió: add a sleep 500 to your loop ;) will do later at home and post the results; which image / kernel are you using? Om2008.9-gta02-20080916.rootfs.jffs2 Om2008.9-gta02-20080916.uImage.bin matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released!
Cédric Berger wrote: And how can we keep our data ? Can we keep current /home, or just qtopia database, or do we have to migrate it manually ? Well this is quite important for me too. Is there a migration needed or simply the data is saved in the same format? Since until today I always shared my Applications and Documents folders between Qtopia and Om2008 to get keep the phonebook, SMSs and documents synced; it worked well, but will it work anymore? -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtopia]how to rotate screen from the shell?
On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:01:32 +0200, Thomas Bertani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I need to rotate the screen from the shell with a command. Anybody knows how to do that? Thanks in advance Google 'x11 rotate' or 'linux screen rotate' and you'll quickly find the command 'xrandr'. Resolution and Rotation controls. xrandr -o 0 - 'normal' xrandr -o 1 - 'right' xrandr -o 2 - 'inverted' xrandr -o 3 - 'left' -o for 'orientation', you can use the numbers or the string 'normal' etc. j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[debian] Top bar does not appear
Hi guys. After some time trying to install Debian on my SDCard, Im able to boot it up. When zhone show up, I only see the four icons and the date bar, but the top bar with signal, battery things does not appeared. Is there a way to correct that? Thanks, -- Denis Brazil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Rasterman Image...
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:05:53 -0600 Ori Pessach [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I understand what it's doing. It's not doing it well. I tried it for shell i disagree. it works like a charm for me - as per my previous mail - i can use it while walking down the street. more than i can say for pretty much any other virtual keyboard i have available to me. I do agree with raster... I'm using it with no problems and always without the stylus. Since when I've bought the Freerunner I've used the stylus less than 3-4 times. I always tried to do all with my fingers and generally I got it; mostly thanks to Carsten's work. Of course, there are some things that could be improved (i.e. parsing big dictionaries) but it's all generally so much usable! look at the personal dict file. ~/.e/e/dicts-dynamic/personal.dic it saves usage frequency. About this, did you see my reported bug #2049? And more... When the personal addictions are stored there? Since it doesn't seem to grow as soon as I type (or am I simply too blind? :P). Thanks... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtopia]how to rotate screen from the shell?
On 02.10.2008 at 17:01:37, Joel Newkirk wrote: Google 'x11 rotate' or 'linux screen rotate' and you'll quickly find the command 'xrandr'. Resolution and Rotation controls. xrandr -o 0 - 'normal' xrandr -o 1 - 'right' xrandr -o 2 - 'inverted' xrandr -o 3 - 'left' -o for 'orientation', you can use the numbers or the string 'normal' etc. qtopia does not use X ... -- Fabian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtopia]how to rotate screen from the shell?
You don't need google to read the object: [qtopia]. Qtopia uses framebuffer and not x11... 2008/10/2 Joel Newkirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:01:32 +0200, Thomas Bertani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I need to rotate the screen from the shell with a command. Anybody knows how to do that? Thanks in advance Google 'x11 rotate' or 'linux screen rotate' and you'll quickly find the command 'xrandr'. Resolution and Rotation controls. xrandr -o 0 - 'normal' xrandr -o 1 - 'right' xrandr -o 2 - 'inverted' xrandr -o 3 - 'left' -o for 'orientation', you can use the numbers or the string 'normal' etc. j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Rasterman Image...
On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:10:27 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:05:53 -0600 Ori Pessach [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I understand what it's doing. It's not doing it well. I tried it for shell i disagree. it works like a charm for me - as per my previous mail - i can use it while walking down the street. more than i can say for pretty much any other virtual keyboard i have available to me. I do agree with raster... I'm using it with no problems and always without the stylus. Since when I've bought the Freerunner I've used the stylus less than 3-4 times. I always tried to do all with my fingers and generally I got it; mostly thanks to Carsten's work. Of course, there are some things that could be improved (i.e. parsing big dictionaries) but it's all generally so much usable! yeah. saw your trac bug. i know. it's just out of my focus at the moment. i'll eventually cycle back around to it - and i'll not fix the bugs - i'll probably do some radical surgery to the dict format and enigne. :) look at the personal dict file. ~/.e/e/dicts-dynamic/personal.dic it saves usage frequency. About this, did you see my reported bug #2049? And more... When the personal addictions are stored there? Since it doesn't seem to grow as soon as I type (or am I simply too blind? :P). i saw the one with duplicates - that shouldn't happen - but there likely is some bug that makes it - somewhere... shouldn't. it saves - just not immediately. you need to keep the dict idle for 5+ seconds - then it flushes and saves. that means not adding any new words or modifying them for 5 seconds (ie take a pause from typing and it'll flush and save). -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Top bar does not appear
FSO3 in debian doesn't have the top bar anymore in zhone. You can use the openmoko-panel-plugin floating around in this mailing list. This xfce plugin shows the status of gsm, battery and some other usefull stuff. :) Ciao, Rainer Denis Galvão wrote: Hi guys. After some time trying to install Debian on my SDCard, Im able to boot it up. When zhone show up, I only see the four icons and the date bar, but the top bar with signal, battery things does not appeared. Is there a way to correct that? Thanks, -- Denis Brazil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
vale wrote: add a sleep 500 to your loop ;) which image / kernel are you using? You should perhaps ask what AP he's using, or whether he has the power management enabled on the wifi. Some APs apparently get upset by power managed devices, and the Freerunner enables power management of the wifi by default to preserve battery. My wrt54g certainly gets upset from time to time if I connect with the freerunner, sometimes refusing to talk to _anything_ over wifi afterwards until rebooted. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Guess what...
My Freerunner is here! :-) Must go play! -- No army can withstand the strength of an idea whose time has come. -Victor Hugo http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtopia]how to rotate screen from the shell?
On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:11:00 +0200, Fabian Henze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 02.10.2008 at 17:01:37, Joel Newkirk wrote: Google 'x11 rotate' or 'linux screen rotate' and you'll quickly find the command 'xrandr'. Resolution and Rotation controls. xrandr -o 0 - 'normal' xrandr -o 1 - 'right' xrandr -o 2 - 'inverted' xrandr -o 3 - 'left' -o for 'orientation', you can use the numbers or the string 'normal' etc. qtopia does not use X ... -- Fabian Sorry about that, I was thinking in terms of ASU and the qtopia-with-X11 setup. j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
kernel for qt extended 4.4
I downloaded the rootfs image for qt extended and flashed it to the rootfs partition. I previously had FDOM installed so basically this must have overwritten it. The kernel image was not available so i guess im still using the image i flashed from FDOM. It works but is somewhat flaky. No USB networking and so no SSH. Something is not right here and im guessing it is all because of the kernel image. So where do i get the suitable kernel image or how do i have to go about it? -- Cheers! Kishore ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Guess what...
On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 05:46:22PM +0200, Paul wrote: My Freerunner is here! :-) Must go play! And don't forget to fix bugs as much as possible ;) Alex ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4
2008/10/2 Kishore [EMAIL PROTECTED] I downloaded the rootfs image for qt extended and flashed it to the rootfs partition. I previously had FDOM installed so basically this must have overwritten it. The kernel image was not available so i guess im still using the image i flashed from FDOM. It works but is somewhat flaky. No USB networking and so no SSH. Something is not right here and im guessing it is all because of the kernel image. So where do i get the suitable kernel image or how do i have to go about it? I can ping the phone, but no ssh (connection refused). Launching dropbear from terminal seg faults. Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] openmoko-panel-plugin 0.4
Sebastian Ohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Im having difficulty getting this working. Version 0.3 worked briefly. Any chance of a new deb? Hi gents, some words of what this is(as it produced some confusion last time: The openmoko-panel-plugin is a gtk based plugin that draws the powerstate of some FR hardware devices(i.e. gsm, gps) to a gtk based panel. theses panels are used i.e. in xfce4. so you can enable or disable the state of your gps receiver. See a screenshot here: http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel.png i just uploaded a new release (0.4) to my server. it can be downloaded from: http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4-1_all.debhttp://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4-1_amd64.changes http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4-1.diff.gzhttp://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4-1.dsc http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4.orig.tar.gz Changelog: * fixed many debianizing errors. * adding more dependencies * fixed problems with different versions on my laptop :-( * the menu entry should reappear * click opens a context menu to toggle the powerstate * removed some icons until they are finaly working the credit for the code changed goes to morlac. thank you for the big feature requests in the last mails. some of them are already integrated into the code. but the code needs a big cleanup. so please be patient. i think i will need a weekend to integrate all your suggestions *g* Cu Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Joakim Verona ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Rasterman Image...
Lists of US names. first and last http://www.census.gov/genealogy/names/names_files.html Cédric Berger wrote: On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 05:57, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] you will know its not there when its not offered as a correction in the short or long list. you get to delete what u typed and type again carefully. you only need to do this once. then it goes into the dict. [...] seriously - as an experiment, when you type a word and it gets the guess wrong pop up the full list and at the top is EXACTLY what you typed. [..] What I really miss is having what I really typed be immediatly available as an option (ie not having to pop up a list). Personnaly I would even prefer by far (but might be an option) that what I type is what is selected by default, and a computed word is shown in the box that I can choose instead, if I want... and even writing english text messages, it is too often I have to enter unknown names, locations, emails, whatever ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4
On Thursday 02 Oct 2008 9:40:59 pm Nicola Mfb wrote: 2008/10/2 Kishore [EMAIL PROTECTED] I downloaded the rootfs image for qt extended and flashed it to the rootfs partition. I previously had FDOM installed so basically this must have overwritten it. The kernel image was not available so i guess im still using the image i flashed from FDOM. It works but is somewhat flaky. No USB networking and so no SSH. Something is not right here and im guessing it is all because of the kernel image. So where do i get the suitable kernel image or how do i have to go about it? I can ping the phone, but no ssh (connection refused). Launching dropbear from terminal seg faults Same here -- Cheers! Kishore ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] getting zhone sid ringtones working
Joachim Breitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Could be. What version of fso-frameworkd do you have installed (dpkg -l fso-frameworkd)? ii fso-frameworkd 0.2.0-git20080 freemsmartphone.org Framework Daemon Greetings, Joachim -- Joakim Verona ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] openmoko-panel-plugin 0.4
I previously posted a note that the actual 0.4 package misses quite some icons. So to get it to work you just have to put the missing icons back to /usr/share/pixmaps/openmoko-panel-plugins. You can get the icons from http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4.orig.tar.gz It misses the following icons: brightness.png usb_drive.png usb_host.png usb_net.png gsm_000.png gsm_020.png gsm_040.png gsm_060.png gsm_080.png gsm_100.png Ciao, Rainer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sebastian Ohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Im having difficulty getting this working. Version 0.3 worked briefly. Any chance of a new deb? Hi gents, some words of what this is(as it produced some confusion last time: The openmoko-panel-plugin is a gtk based plugin that draws the powerstate of some FR hardware devices(i.e. gsm, gps) to a gtk based panel. theses panels are used i.e. in xfce4. so you can enable or disable the state of your gps receiver. See a screenshot here: http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel.png i just uploaded a new release (0.4) to my server. it can be downloaded from: http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4-1_all.debhttp://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4-1_amd64.changes http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4-1.diff.gzhttp://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4-1.dsc http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4.orig.tar.gz Changelog: * fixed many debianizing errors. * adding more dependencies * fixed problems with different versions on my laptop :-( * the menu entry should reappear * click opens a context menu to toggle the powerstate * removed some icons until they are finaly working the credit for the code changed goes to morlac. thank you for the big feature requests in the last mails. some of them are already integrated into the code. but the code needs a big cleanup. so please be patient. i think i will need a weekend to integrate all your suggestions *g* Cu Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[qtopia]how to view cover on mediaplayer?
I can't see covers from the media player. the is a format or something standard to follow to view them? because I have always no-cover image... on qtopia 4.4 Thanks in advance and sorry for my bad english :P ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Rasterman Image...
Cédric Berger wrote: What I really miss is having what I really typed be immediatly available as an option (ie not having to pop up a list). Personnaly I would even prefer by far (but might be an option) that what I type is what is selected by default, and a computed word is shown in the box that I can choose instead, if I want... and even writing english text messages, it is too often I have to enter unknown names, locations, emails, whatever Well, I can agree in this. I think that the selected word/char should be set as default (i.e. I often write in Italian thinks like l'many-vocal-starting-word, since adding any word matching to [clmstv]'many-vocal-starting-word would increase a lot the dictionary I do prefer using the ' as a non-dictionary char so when I've to write a word like that I, for example, press l, then ' and finally the word. However this doesn't work always since the l is quite never selected by default also if I press exactly on it; so I've to press l, select it in the list, do a backspace and finally writing the word. You can figure that it's not so good :P). -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Rasterman Image...
I used to have a bunch of them when I was doing a NLG ( natural Language generation) pet project. I sent you a link to US names as well. from the US census. For personal dictionaries, people could just run a simple word frequency analysis on their archived email,( there are GPL programs that do this I believe, but its dead easy to write yourself) and import their email contacts into the database. ( speeling mistakes might require some work, like the one I just did) If you had access to archived chats or chat logs you could pick up things like LOL, PITA, etc, or logs of SMS. There are some studies on word frequency in SMS but I havent found a online resource. Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:59:20 -0700 Steve Mosher [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: aha! a decent frequency corpus (a few thousand words). i'll merge this with the default us dict (and remove the small one as now that's useless). Hey raster, How's it going. I promised you some frequency data a while back. http://ucrel.lancs.ac.uk/bncfreq/flists.html http://ucrel.lancs.ac.uk/bncfreq/lists/1_2_all_freq.txt there are others as well Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:05:53 -0600 Ori Pessach [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I understand what it's doing. It's not doing it well. I tried it for shell i disagree. it works like a charm for me - as per my previous mail - i can use it while walking down the street. more than i can say for pretty much any other virtual keyboard i have available to me. input, and it was an unusable mess. I tried it for text messaging, and it why someone would use a language dictionary-based corrective keyboard for shell input beats me! in this case i call silly user - using a motorcycle to deliver elephants line :) use the terminal keyboard. use a stylus. thats what it was meant for. :) was an unusable mess. It has no model of the likelihood of erroneous input it does. it absolutely does. maybe your fingers are incredibly off-center? here is the algorithm (and if u don't believe me - code is there to be read): it stores a press POINT (x,y). it looks for all keys whose center point is WITHIN f distance of x,y (f being the fuzz value - the .kbd file for the qwerty Default keyboard is 135 units wide, with fuzz radius of 20, so that's about 1/3rd of the keyboard that it searches through for a likely match). likelihood factors (distance) per key found is allocated based on distance (0 == most likely, 0 less likely the greater the value). each press is done this way EXCEPT if u hold for 0.25 sec then drag to select a key explicitly in zoom mode - then the ONLY key available for that word slot is that letter selected given a distance of 0. as you type all permutations of letters are searched and put into a list - with each permutation given a distance metric based on the letters used (simply addition of the distances). now this is combined with the dictionary's frequency metric (multiplied by an inverse) so the more likely the word is to be used the lower its distance becomes. words are sorted from most to least likely based on this metric then listed with most likely in the middle of the list, leas likely to the left/right ends - which you may not see. the vertical list lists all matches from most to least likely (top to bottom) with 1 exception - EXACTLY what u typed it as the top. it absolutely has a fairly good idea of likelihood of error and likelihood of usage of a word etc. etc. eg: Press | Guess+dist e e+0 w+1 r+2 d+2 s+1 r r+0 t+1 e+2 f+1 g+2 d+3 k k+0 l+1 o+2 i+3 j+3 d d+0 f+1 s+1 e+1 c+1 r+2 w+2 so erkd has distance 0 = but its not a word in the dictionary at all, so thrown out. rwkd has distance 1, but not a word, srkd same, etkd, efkd, erld, etc. etc. in the end it produces a list where most likely world ends up the word with other options too - and this is a much simplified list. mostly the list for candidate letters per input letter is about 10-12 letters. so u have 12*12*12*12 permutations for a 4 letter word - of which a fraction of that space is legitimate words. each permutation has a likelihood value based on press distance and on frequency of usage of that word in language in general in the dictionary. mind you - i AM talking about illume's keyboard, its algorithms as is in the image i built. if you use something else i cannot comment as it's something else. (relatively low) and instead appears to look for the word with the closest minimum edit distance to the user's input. This is nuts. I have never - it's not - as the edit distance is the likelihood of error. you likely press the key you want - or near it. thus keys near where you pressed are more likely than those further away. to limit search distance only up to a certain distance is searched. chances are that you do this: fingerprint: ___ /~~~\ |~~~| |~~~| \x/ where x is the
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 9:19 AM, vale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: its a fact, that freerunners wlan is far away from optimum. [...] - wlan drivers not working well i think this should also be a high priority aspect to work on for Openmoko. I definitely agree. I was recently at a conference and trying to use my freerunner as a mobile web device with the conference wlan - an open network, so I didn't have to worry about encryption. I connected with my laptop a number of times, and everything ran smoothly - however, my FR gave me no end of problems. If I rebooted and tried connecting with Mofi, I could sometimes connect - maybe 1 time in 3. Once I connected, I could browse for a while with Minimo (which worked quite nicely), but then it would hang, and I'd have to reboot several times again before I could get connected again. I've had similar experiences before - I can rarely connect to our open guest network at my office, I've never managed to connect successfully the few times I've tried at Cafe's with free wifi, and I haven't managed to get it to connect at all to our wifi network at home. As much as I love my FR, I must admit that the whole experience had me thinking lustful thoughts about my wife's iPhone... BTW - I'm running FDOM 20080913. Warren ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Guess what...
And don't forget to fix bugs as much as possible ;) LOL!! First bug is already there: I powered down the phone (Power Down GSM Antenna). Now... Power-up GSM Antenna does not bring my phone back up... How do I do that? (FR is still charging) Do I need to power down and boot up again? *grin* Paul -- No army can withstand the strength of an idea whose time has come. -Victor Hugo http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 9:54 PM, Kishore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 02 Oct 2008 9:40:59 pm Nicola Mfb wrote: 2008/10/2 Kishore [EMAIL PROTECTED] I downloaded the rootfs image for qt extended and flashed it to the rootfs partition. I previously had FDOM installed so basically this must have overwritten it. The kernel image was not available so i guess im still using the image i flashed from FDOM. It works but is somewhat flaky. No USB networking and so no SSH. Something is not right here and im guessing it is all because of the kernel image. So where do i get the suitable kernel image or how do i have to go about it? I can ping the phone, but no ssh (connection refused). Launching dropbear from terminal seg faults Same here -- Cheers! Kishore I had qtopia-4.3.3-snapshot-09012242-gta02-flash.tgz that came with uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin kernel. I have flashed the new rootfs (latest 4.4.1 release) and have wifi (no encryption tested), GSM and USB networking. Thanks, -GK PS: Low the browser!. How do I save an email attachment though? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
As much as I love my FR, I must admit that the whole experience had me thinking lustful thoughts about my wife's iPhone... I would say just get an iPhone. I did. Its much more fun to develop for a *platform* rather than a constant dogs-breakfast of disaster. Until someone in the Freerunner world turns the thing into a stable platform, its just going to go on and on forever with nothing ever being fixed, stably, and dependably. I mean, give me a break. Its October, and people are *still* wrestling with WLAN configuration. Can you hackers not see how stupid it is to be fussing with 'pretty stuff' when the most basic things don't even work? I've given up on Freerunner development. Until there is a stable image that provides an Operating System (what we have now: Inoperable) its just not worth the fuss. The Freerunner project has been murdered, in my opinion, by hobby horsing hackers who have nothing but hatred for the end users that *could* be using the thing. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Debian installer internal error
I tried four times to install debian on a 2GB SD. I installed once a working fine debian but I've broken the SD card. Now I get always this error: P: Configuring helper cdebootstrap-helper-apt E: Internal error: install Exists something i could do? _ Die neue Generation der Windows Live Services - jetzt downloaden! http://get.live.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Rasterman Image...
On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:37:58 -0700, Steve Mosher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to have a bunch of them when I was doing a NLG ( natural Language generation) pet project. I sent you a link to US names as well. from the US census. For personal dictionaries, people could just run a simple word frequency analysis on their archived email,( there are GPL programs that do this I believe, but its dead easy to write yourself) and import their email contacts into the database. ( speeling mistakes might require some work, like the one I just did) If you had access to archived chats or chat logs you could pick up things like LOL, PITA, etc, or logs of SMS. There are some studies on word frequency in SMS but I havent found a online resource. I was thinking of a quickie program to scan the ~/.bash_history on my desktop and generate frequency data for command names... ;) Take everything up to the first space, strip off any path, count and insert in dict. (unfortunately the command history on the FR is by default VERY VERY short, I've not investigated how to extend it) More useful would be if someone can scare up a thorough list of common SMS shorthand, like 'cul8r' and what-not. (don't know how that'd work out though, with numeric characters embedded) j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
El día Thursday, October 02, 2008 a las 04:39:01PM +0100, Alastair Johnson escribió: vale wrote: add a sleep 500 to your loop ;) I run this script for an hour or so: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat wifi.sh #!/bin/sh cd /tmp while true; do rm 1M wget http://www.unixarea.de/1M date ; echo -n now sleeping 300 sec ... sleep 300 echo awaked done and there has been no problem all this time; as well ifconfig does not show any error packets: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifconfig eth0 eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:12:CF:8E:FC:5F inet addr:192.168.2.100 Bcast:192.168.2.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::212:cfff:fe8e:fc5f/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:302728 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:131532 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:454345265 (433.2 MiB) TX bytes:10145574 (9.6 MiB) and if you compare the RX/TX values with those from the last post: RX packets:285483 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:121870 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:431367301 (411.3 MiB) TX bytes:9439240 (9.0 MiB) you see that moving from office to my home, i.e. from one AP to another, I did not rebooted; I just ifdow / ifup with my script the eth0 interface; which image / kernel are you using? You should perhaps ask what AP he's using, or whether he has the power management enabled on the wifi. Some APs apparently get upset by power managed devices, and the Freerunner enables power management of the wifi by default to preserve battery. My wrt54g certainly gets upset from time to time if I connect with the freerunner, sometimes refusing to talk to _anything_ over wifi afterwards until rebooted. my AP at home is a SMCWBR14-G2 EU one; regardless of the FR already in the past sometime this get stuck and needs a power-cycle; not during the test today; the actual iwconfig values are: # iwconfig eth0 eth0 AR6000 802.11g ESSID:tarara Mode:Managed Frequency:2.442 GHz Access Point: 00:13:F7:0D:08:48 Bit Rate=54 Mb/s Tx-Power=15 dBm Sensitivity=0/3 Retry:on Encryption key:X Security mode:open Power Management:off Link Quality:207/94 Signal level:-144 dBm Noise level:-96 dBm Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:1487 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:55 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:64 HIH matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4
On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 21:54:15 +0530 Kishore [EMAIL PROTECTED] (K) wrote: On Thursday 02 Oct 2008 9:40:59 pm Nicola Mfb wrote: 2008/10/2 Kishore [EMAIL PROTECTED] I downloaded the rootfs image for qt extended and flashed it to the rootfs partition. I previously had FDOM installed so basically this must have overwritten it. The kernel image was not available so i guess im still using the image i flashed from FDOM. It works but is somewhat flaky. No USB networking and so no SSH. Something is not right here and im guessing it is all because of the kernel image. So where do i get the suitable kernel image or how do i have to go about it? I can ping the phone, but no ssh (connection refused). Launching dropbear from terminal seg faults Same here -- Cheers! Kishore No problem here. I reflashed previous QT snapshot 4.3 so i presume if you use kernel from 4.3 you are ready to go. unless...I was also looking at the services screen or what it's called in QT4.4 so i might have activated USB networking by an accident and it's kernel independent? Check it out anyways. -- Petr Vaněk http://biodynamika.cz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Om2008.9] how using services of the GSM provider
Hello, How can I use cetain services the GSM offers, like - hiding caller ID ever/never/next-call - re-direct incoming calls to mobile voicebox on busy/no-answer/any Sorry, if this is a FAQ, but I don't see it on the Wiki; thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
I ran down to Batteries Plus and picked up a Rayovac replacement that fits. It doesn't come charged but has enough charge to at least jump start my fr. I put in the new battery, plugged in the usb cable, and was able to boot. Then I took out the Rayovac battery and put the original battery back in. Device stayed running and I am hoping the battery is charging. The power button is staying illuminated and is red. Any idea what that means? - Original Message - From: Brock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 7:27:59 AM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery On 2008.10.01.13.05, Vince M. Clark wrote: | I've tried multiple times with no success. How about removing all SD and SIM cards, does that help? --Brock ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
which u-boot?
Is this u-boot safe for any gta02? What is the v5_and_up for? http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin Vince Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] (303) 493-6723 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Rasterman Image...
I tried it. Very nice raster! Good work. Alarm is fantastic :) Now we need only a dialer, contacts and messages compatible with FSO :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/New-Rasterman-Image...-tp1132929p1134577.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SPAM] Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4
On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:43:23 +0200 Petr Vanek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No problem here. I reflashed previous QT snapshot 4.3 so i presume if you use kernel from 4.3 you are ready to go. unless...I was also looking at the services screen or what it's called in QT4.4 so i might have activated USB networking by an accident and it's kernel independent? Check it out anyways. hmmm ... I'm guessing that image isn't the official released one, too many bugs (old and new): - lots of kernel-warnings spit out during booting (using uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin from I believe the previous 4.3.x snapshot version). Or maybe this is a uimage issue? - timezone management isn't working (the files just aren't there in /usr/share/timezone). Also the time itself can't be changed. - echo problem is back - alarm keeps vibrating the phone, after pressing snooze - each received call arrives twice, causing the second call to show up as missed The image is called 4.4.1, but my phone reports it as 4.4.2 ... I thought it was going to be 4.4.3? Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Suspend vs. Lock vs. Screen Off
I'm using the latest FDOM, I believe it's based on 2008.09. My question is what is the fundamental difference between pressing the power button to cause the phone to suspend, pressing the aux button to make the phone lock the screen and not pressing any buttons and letting the software timeout. Mainly, I'm interested in battery life and how each action reduces power consumption. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Vince M. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I ran down to Batteries Plus and picked up a Rayovac replacement that fits. It doesn't come charged but has enough charge to at least jump start my fr. I put in the new battery, plugged in the usb cable, and was able to boot. Then I took out the Rayovac battery and put the original battery back in. Device stayed running and I am hoping the battery is charging. The power button is staying illuminated and is red. Any idea what that means? I think you mean the AUX button is staying lit. That means its charging. The power button is the round one. Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Evince works and is nice for ebooks
Frederic Leroy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Le Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:05:53 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am currently using epdf and it work well too The nice thing IMHO with Evince is that it supports many formats: - djvu - pdf - cbz (xipped archive of images) Nice ! and some others. Does it support plucker(.pdb) files too ? I've got a lot of these. I'm not sure, but I dont think so. -- Joakim Verona ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
No it is definitely the power button (the round one below the usb plug) staying lit red. I'm running the FSO image. - Original Message - From: Angus Ainslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 12:28:19 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Vince M. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I ran down to Batteries Plus and picked up a Rayovac replacement that fits. It doesn't come charged but has enough charge to at least jump start my fr. I put in the new battery, plugged in the usb cable, and was able to boot. Then I took out the Rayovac battery and put the original battery back in. Device stayed running and I am hoping the battery is charging. The power button is staying illuminated and is red. Any idea what that means? I think you mean the AUX button is staying lit. That means its charging. The power button is the round one. Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SPAM] Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4
On Thursday 02 Oct 2008 11:53:46 pm Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:43:23 +0200 Petr Vanek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No problem here. I reflashed previous QT snapshot 4.3 so i presume if you use kernel from 4.3 you are ready to go. unless...I was also looking at the services screen or what it's called in QT4.4 so i might have activated USB networking by an accident and it's kernel independent? Check it out anyways. hmmm ... I'm guessing that image isn't the official released one, too many bugs (old and new): - lots of kernel-warnings spit out during booting (using uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin from I believe the previous 4.3.x snapshot version). Or maybe this is a uimage issue? - timezone management isn't working (the files just aren't there in /usr/share/timezone). Also the time itself can't be changed. - echo problem is back - alarm keeps vibrating the phone, after pressing snooze - each received call arrives twice, causing the second call to show up as missed The image is called 4.4.1, but my phone reports it as 4.4.2 ... I thought it was going to be 4.4.3? Yup! I have all of those issues you mention. Anyway, USB networking is now working after i flashed mwester kernel. I am able to ssh but i cannot connect to the internet. ping google.com gives me ping: bad address 'google.com'. I checked /etc/resolv.conf and it is empty. -- Cheers! Kishore ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: voip on Debian
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Davide Scaini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ekiga? did you tryed that on [EMAIL PROTECTED] so curious! I haven't, but I see no reason why it wouldn't work. It doesn't do IAX though, only SIP. And sip is problematic behind a NAT firewall. On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Esben Stien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Asterisk is dead. Long live freeswitch. Didn't you get the memo?;) I was under the impression that freeswitch was more geared to low level operations, carrier level stuff.(?) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/voip-on-Debian-tp842903p1134642.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Top bar does not appear
Hi Rainer, thanks to point me a direction. Running OM2008.8 I cant start an xterm session, how could I do it? I just installed xfce4, it is runnig well, but slowly... How could I start OM2008.8 with zhone and the openmoko-panel-plugin at start up? Thanks, -- Denis Brazil On 02/10/2008, at 12:32, Fox Mulder wrote: FSO3 in debian doesn't have the top bar anymore in zhone. You can use the openmoko-panel-plugin floating around in this mailing list. This xfce plugin shows the status of gsm, battery and some other usefull stuff. :) Ciao, Rainer Denis Galvão wrote: Hi guys. After some time trying to install Debian on my SDCard, Im able to boot it up. When zhone show up, I only see the four icons and the date bar, but the top bar with signal, battery things does not appeared. Is there a way to correct that? Thanks, -- Denis Brazil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
thats cool ... wish it would work here too, but my experience is different. doesn't matter if i try @university @home @public places or @highly secured wlans with project partners. wlan gets stuck after a few minutes of inactivity. i don't know why. how can i stop this power thing over wlan? perhaps that is the problem ... i like my freerunner, but sometimes its frustrating not beeing able to rely on basic things as wlan is. i hope its getting better soon :) vale Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Thursday, October 02, 2008 a las 04:39:01PM +0100, Alastair Johnson escribió: vale wrote: add a sleep 500 to your loop ;) I run this script for an hour or so: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat wifi.sh #!/bin/sh cd /tmp while true; do rm 1M wget http://www.unixarea.de/1M date ; echo -n now sleeping 300 sec ... sleep 300 echo awaked done and there has been no problem all this time; as well ifconfig does not show any error packets: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifconfig eth0 eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:12:CF:8E:FC:5F inet addr:192.168.2.100 Bcast:192.168.2.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::212:cfff:fe8e:fc5f/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:302728 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:131532 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:454345265 (433.2 MiB) TX bytes:10145574 (9.6 MiB) and if you compare the RX/TX values with those from the last post: RX packets:285483 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:121870 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:431367301 (411.3 MiB) TX bytes:9439240 (9.0 MiB) you see that moving from office to my home, i.e. from one AP to another, I did not rebooted; I just ifdow / ifup with my script the eth0 interface; which image / kernel are you using? You should perhaps ask what AP he's using, or whether he has the power management enabled on the wifi. Some APs apparently get upset by power managed devices, and the Freerunner enables power management of the wifi by default to preserve battery. My wrt54g certainly gets upset from time to time if I connect with the freerunner, sometimes refusing to talk to _anything_ over wifi afterwards until rebooted. my AP at home is a SMCWBR14-G2 EU one; regardless of the FR already in the past sometime this get stuck and needs a power-cycle; not during the test today; the actual iwconfig values are: # iwconfig eth0 eth0 AR6000 802.11g ESSID:tarara Mode:Managed Frequency:2.442 GHz Access Point: 00:13:F7:0D:08:48 Bit Rate=54 Mb/s Tx-Power=15 dBm Sensitivity=0/3 Retry:on Encryption key:X Security mode:open Power Management:off Link Quality:207/94 Signal level:-144 dBm Noise level:-96 dBm Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:1487 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:55 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:64 HIH matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-2008.9--Wifi-very-unreliable-tp1128409p1134675.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: which u-boot?
Yes. v5 is the design revision of the first retail Freerunners, earlier versions of GTA02 were never manufactured in significant quantities. j On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:12:48 -0600 (MDT), Vince M. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this u-boot safe for any gta02? What is the v5_and_up for? http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin Vince Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] (303) 493-6723 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Rasterman Image...
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: it does have concept of frequency orf words. i just dont have any DATA for that. the dict format handles is: word1 word2 word3 OR word1 20 word2 434 word3 1 I was thinking to a way to automatize this a while ago, but I wrote something just now... The basic idea is that of using the google number of results for each word and using this value as a frequency number (well, I know these numbers are often too much great, so I guess that they should be re-analyzed and lowered but I had no time to do this now :P). So this is a little utility I wrote [1] to check the frequency of each word and writing back a new dictionary with frequency data. To run it you need php-cli (I guess v5 or above), set the given options, do php words-popularity.php and wait the work to be finished! :P It could be a long work, but it should give good results. PS: I've used php since I run it both on my PC and on a server (dividing the work) where I've ssh access but in which I can run by command line just a little subset of languages, and php is one of this. [1] http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/openmoko/words-popularity.phps -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian installer internal error
Exists something i could do? you probably need to fiddle with the sd clock. search the archives and the wiki, there should be a few postings/entries how to do that either in u-boot-menu or in sysfs. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Top bar does not appear
Running OM2008.8 I cant start an xterm session, how could I do it? 2008.8 != debian/fso I just installed xfce4, it is runnig well, but slowly... How could I start OM2008.8 with zhone and the openmoko-panel-plugin at start up? not at all afaik. 2008.8 is one distribution for freerunner, debain/fso another. zhone belongs to fso. openmoko-panel-plugin otoh requires xfce or a compatible windowmanager. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
vale, i think this should also be a high priority aspect to work on for Openmoko. It is, and for Atheros too. We are working on improving the driver (there are several driver variants actually), we are working on getting all of this into mainline kernel.org, we are working with Atheros to open up more possibilities with regards to reflashing the chip, providing 'thin' firmwares that allow monitor/injection modes etc. Any help is appreciated, bug reports with clear reproduction steps are very helpful too. Best Regards, Wolfgang On Oct 2, 2008, at 9:19 PM, vale wrote: calm down, its a fact, that freerunners wlan is far away from optimum. try a wget shortly after doing ifup eth0 - everything works try wget some minutes later (no suspend/resume in between) from same server - no download, even if ping still works ifdown eth0, ifup eth0 - wget works again same with opkg install, update, upgrade etc. under 2007.2, 2008.08, debian ... - wlan drivers not working well i think this should also be a high priority aspect to work on for Openmoko. bye vale Stroller-2 wrote: On 1 Oct 2008, at 12:28, Nishit Dave wrote: All this discussion does not help if you realize that even after placing the FR *next* to the blooming router, you get reported a signal strength of 65%. What does the hardware expect, building the router *inside* the FR? Nishit, The company that sold you your Freerunner offered you refund, already. I assumed that you would take this, leave the list and STOP FUCKING WHINING. I guess this was too much for me to hope for, huh? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-2008.9--Wifi-very-unreliable-tp1128409p1133869.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[debian] moving installation from sd card to flash
a few questions: - to move an installation from sd card to flash: is it sensible/sufficient to delete everything from flash and copy from sd card? creating a jffs image and flash it to the fr seems rather long-winded. - to those havin debian in flash: what do you have in flash what on sd? my debian uses about 600mb which is clearly too much for the 256mb flash -- but what should (eg for better performance) reside in flash? - what about the suspend/resume corruption? running from sd entirely never caused any problems, but that might change when running from flash -- and since the apm suspend/resume scripts are not executed, the workarounds form 200X.Y are pretty useless. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Suspend vs. Lock vs. Screen Off
Jason Cawood wrote: I'm using the latest FDOM, I believe it's based on 2008.09. My question is what is the fundamental difference between pressing the power button to cause the phone to suspend, pressing the aux button to make the phone lock the screen and not pressing any buttons and letting the software timeout. Mainly, I'm interested in battery life and how each action reduces power consumption. When the device suspends Linux gets suspended to RAM in the same way as you can suspend most laptops. In this state the CPU and memory use very little power. The GSM module and parts of the chipset remain powered, so you should will still receive incoming calls and SMS messages. The idea is that the Main CPU will wake up if it receves and interupt from the GSM module, the power key or from varous other sources, but the rest of the time it will be suspended and use little power. This creates the illusion of being always on, but in fact only being on when the user is trying to use the device. Most modern GSM handsets work in the same way. If you leave the device without pressing any buttons the screen backlight will go out. This saves a substantial amount of power but not as much as suspending. Depending on your settings, your freerunner may suspend after a time with the backlight out. Pressing the Aux key to lock the screen does just that. The phone will turn out the back light or suspend according to it's settings. -- David Pottage ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Top bar does not appear
Thanks Arne. I got the point. (At least I think i got it) But why you refer to Debian/FSO? Is the arm repo mainteined by the FSO team? OM does not use FSO? Im kind lost on all terminology... Thanks, -- Denis On 02/10/2008, at 16:04, arne anka wrote: Running OM2008.8 I cant start an xterm session, how could I do it? 2008.8 != debian/fso I just installed xfce4, it is runnig well, but slowly... How could I start OM2008.8 with zhone and the openmoko-panel-plugin at start up? not at all afaik. 2008.8 is one distribution for freerunner, debain/fso another. zhone belongs to fso. openmoko-panel-plugin otoh requires xfce or a compatible windowmanager. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Top bar does not appear
BTW What I wanna mean is if it is possible to have the openmoko-panel- plugin running on the zhone-session, the default one for Debian on freerunner. Thanks, -- Denis On 02/10/2008, at 16:04, arne anka wrote: Running OM2008.8 I cant start an xterm session, how could I do it? 2008.8 != debian/fso I just installed xfce4, it is runnig well, but slowly... How could I start OM2008.8 with zhone and the openmoko-panel-plugin at start up? not at all afaik. 2008.8 is one distribution for freerunner, debain/fso another. zhone belongs to fso. openmoko-panel-plugin otoh requires xfce or a compatible windowmanager. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian installer internal error
Hi, Am Donnerstag, den 02.10.2008, 17:30 + schrieb Matthias Camenzind: I tried four times to install debian on a 2GB SD. I installed once a working fine debian but I've broken the SD card. Now I get always this error: P: Configuring helper cdebootstrap-helper-apt E: Internal error: install Exists something i could do? thanks for trying out Debian. I quote the FAQ from http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner: During the debian stage of the install, what does E: Internal error: install mean and how do I fix it? * One possible cause is a problem with the armel packages in Debian. Check /mnt/debian/var/log/bootstrap.log for dependency problems or the like. * If corrupt packages appear, then it might be related to the microSD card used in the installation, as explained in the discussion at the smartphones-standards. Other information are available in the upstream bug. So please check the bootstrap.log, it might help you on. Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Top bar does not appear
But why you refer to Debian/FSO? Is the arm repo mainteined by the FSO team? no. but fso has it's own life independent of debian -- otoh debian on fr makes only sense when using fso. OM does not use FSO? not yet. it is supposed to be the next step (internally) -- but afaik the 200X.Y tagged distributions do not use it. Im kind lost on all terminology... well, it _is_ a bit confusing, but the wiki has at least one page explaining the different terms and their relationships. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Top bar does not appear
BTW What I wanna mean is if it is possible to have the openmoko-panel- plugin running on the zhone-session, the default one for Debian on freerunner. if you have _only_ zhone running (ie no xfce or what desktop/window manager ever), the answer is no. if you use xfce and start zhone as application inside -- add it to xfce's autostarts. /usr/bin/zhone-session is simple script calling zhone, matchbox-keyboard-toggle and the matchbox wm. comment everything out (you might leave matchbox-keyboard-toggle to acces the keyboard when pressing aux) and put startxfce4 at the end. mine looks like this: #!/bin/sh matchbox-keyboard-toggle /usr/bin/startxfce4 and i have zhone and openmoko-panel-plugin as autostarts in xfce. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4
On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 00:08:55 +0530 Kishore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 02 Oct 2008 11:53:46 pm Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:43:23 +0200 Petr Vanek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No problem here. I reflashed previous QT snapshot 4.3 so i presume if you use kernel from 4.3 you are ready to go. unless...I was also looking at the services screen or what it's called in QT4.4 so i might have activated USB networking by an accident and it's kernel independent? Check it out anyways. hmmm ... I'm guessing that image isn't the official released one, too many bugs (old and new): - lots of kernel-warnings spit out during booting (using uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin from I believe the previous 4.3.x snapshot version). Or maybe this is a uimage issue? - timezone management isn't working (the files just aren't there in /usr/share/timezone). Also the time itself can't be changed. - echo problem is back - alarm keeps vibrating the phone, after pressing snooze - each received call arrives twice, causing the second call to show up as missed The image is called 4.4.1, but my phone reports it as 4.4.2 ... I thought it was going to be 4.4.3? Yup! I have all of those issues you mention. Anyway, USB networking is now working after i flashed mwester kernel. I am able to ssh but i cannot connect to the internet. ping google.com gives me ping: bad address 'google.com'. I checked /etc/resolv.conf and it is empty. Fix the resolv issue by putting the line nameserver A.B.C.D in your /etc/resolv.conf (A.B.C.D being the IP of your own nameserver). Always needed for usb connections. But still ... too many issues found in 2 minutes of testing for this to be stable. Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Top bar does not appear
On 02/10/2008, at 16:53, arne anka wrote: no. but fso has it's own life independent of debian -- otoh debian on fr makes only sense when using fso. So, the FSO are a bunch o deb packages for Debian to communicate with the Dbus. Right? well, it _is_ a bit confusing, but the wiki has at least one page explaining the different terms and their relationships. Im really eating the wiki, maybe this why Im confused. Will continue learning... Thanks, -- Denis Galvão AsteriskBrasil.org Ajude a comunidade AsteriskBrasil.org, compre uma camiseta! http://www.voipmania.com.br ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
