Re: Where is the SD card...
Hello Neil, Now I only have to figure out why I can't ssh to the FR anymore. (FR can't ping to desktopmachine, while desktop does ping FR ;-) Always more fun. Sounds like routing. If you mean over Wifi, and your wireless network is 192.168.0/24 (as mine is), the routing through eth0 will conflict with the default route for network-over-USB (usb0). If that's the case, you can solve the problem by running ifdown usb0 on the FR. (Or leave usb0 up, and instead do a route --del command. Or modify /etc/network/interfaces so that the USB networking uses a different network, say 192.168.1/24, and reboot. I find ifdown easiest.) It must be a routing thing. I do not use Wifi (yet), the problem occurs over the USB cable. Maybe I should instead switch off Wifi, then hook up the USB cable and try again. I own the FR since only 2 days, so this is quite a new toy for me. I had it working the first evening, but I don't remember what all I had messed with the FR before to get there. *grin* Thanks for the reaction and the tip! Paul -- Use the right word, not its second cousin. -Mark Twain http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi now reliable
El día Friday, October 03, 2008 a las 01:34:10PM -0400, Charles Pax escribió: On 10/3/08, Matthias Apitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I own the FR gadget now for 2-3 weeks, I think, and I'm so happy with it and I use it in daily work as I did with my normal cellphone, a BenQ Siemens S68, which I have returned already because I think the FR is stable enough for me; I can do what I want with it: - I can SSH to the Linux and install or change what I feel fitting for me or missing there; - for me Wifi works now as it should; - for me GPRS and PPPD together with my smaller laptop (a eeePC 900 on which I have installed FreeBSD 7.0) let me go to Internet; I can use the FR like a normal router box to Internet; and - I can even make phone calls and write SMS to my love Thanks for sharing your experience. Can you write a little about what distrobution you're using and what problems you had to overcome to get things working the way you want? Here you can find my step-by-step guide which puts together known stuff from various Wiki pages and own scripts I wrote: http://www.unixarea.de/openmoko.txt comments/improvements are always welcome; and this was the result yesterday: my small laptop connected to Internet with FR as the a GPRS router to Internet: http://www.unixarea.de/20081003-173025.jpg Great stuff this FR!!! matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Invitation for Openmoko at the Southern California Linux Expo
Greetings, I would once again like to formerly invite the Openmoko project to attend the 7th Annual Southern California Linux Expo. The show will be held February 20th-22nd, 2009 once again at the Westin LAX in Los Angeles, CA. SCALE 7x will be an excellent venue to increase awareness and showcase the work of the Openmoko project. As usual, because Openmoko is an open source project, SCALE will provide a complementary booth on our show floor including all the usual amenities such as a 6' table, chairs, a 500W power drop, one Ethernet drop and 3-5 complementary passes to the show. I am including our application for dotORG exhibitors as well as our Call For Papers. If there is interest in having an Openmoko presence at SCALE 7x, I encourage someone to answer the questions in the application. Any questions, please do not hesitate to ask. Thanks for your time! Joe Smith Student Network Technician Chapman University IST http://scale7x.socallinuxexpo.org/s7x_cfp http://scale7x.socallinuxexpo.org/s7x_call_for_dotOrg_exhibitors ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi now reliable
Here you can find my step-by-step guide which puts together known stuff from various Wiki pages and own scripts I wrote: http://www.unixarea.de/openmoko.txt comments/improvements are always welcome; and this was the result yesterday: my small laptop connected to Internet with FR as the a GPRS router to Internet: http://www.unixarea.de/20081003-173025.jpg Great stuff this FR!!! And a magnificent post and picture. Thank you! Paul -- Use the right word, not its second cousin. -Mark Twain http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to build qt-extended?
2008/10/3 Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nicola Mfb wrote: 2008/10/3 Jim Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] It is activated in the released image. At least I can set the encryption on my email account. I just downloaded the updated toolchains, but the problem persist: Looks like it configured in ssl to me: Yes!, but the problem is not here, qbuild does not anything! it simply answer Nothing to be done for default Regards Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: [FSO] losetup trouble
Wiadomość Oryginalna Od: Alex Osborne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Data: 4 października 2008 4:24 Temat: Re: [FSO] losetup trouble Hello, On 04/10/2008, at 2:51 AM, rhn wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# touch /dev/loop0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# losetup /dev/loop0 bigfile losetup: /dev/loop0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# ls -l /dev/loop0 -rw-r--r--1 root root0 Oct 3 16:31 /dev/loop0 I'm surprised losetup didn't complain. There's not much point in making loop0 a regular file. I have not tried usb storage but: pico:~# ls -la /dev/loop0 brw--- 1 root root 7, 0 Oct 4 12:08 /dev/loop0 pico:~# dd if=/dev/zero of=foo bs=1k count=1k 1024+0 records in 1024+0 records out 1048576 bytes (1.0 MB) copied, 0.208113 s, 5.0 MB/s pico:~# mke2fs foo mke2fs 1.41.1 (01-Sep-2008) [...] pico:~# mkdir /mnt/tmp pico:~# mount -o loop foo /mnt/tmp/ pico:~# ls -la /mnt/tmp/ total 17 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 1024 Oct 4 12:12 . drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Oct 4 12:12 .. drwx-- 2 root root 12288 Oct 4 12:12 lost+found pico:~# mount | grep foo /root/foo on /mnt/tmp type ext2 (rw,loop=/dev/loop0) I imagine normally /dev/loop* should be created by udev. The fact that it doesn't exist might indicate that you don't have loopback device support in your kernel. Check this: pico:~# grep loop /proc/devices 7 loop If it's not there try modprobe loop. If it is there, delete your bogus /dev/loop0 and recreate it like this: mknod /dev/loop0 b 7 0 Cheers, Alex ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Thanks! It seems I didn't have the loop module in the kernel. I was sure the device files are created by losetup and the loop support was compiled in the kernel (it was not shown in lsmod). As soon as the repo is back online, I'm going to retry and post the results here. Cheers, rhn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Numptyphysics on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
sorry michele, which site do you mean? i don't find it :( thank you vale Michele Renda wrote: vale wrote: is there a working deb package around? couldn't find that one on the italian forum ... thanks in advance vale that I know... Still not exist. There is the version from the site! just unpackt and run the compiled file. Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Numptyphysics-on-Debian%40armel-tp792088p1143634.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: installing debian without the freerunner?
2008/9/27 Arne Zachlod [EMAIL PROTECTED]: i have some problems with my freerunner atm, but i want to install debian on it. is there a way to do that with the computer instead with the freerunner? also the freerunner has a very small connection, usb and wifi are both too slow for me. so, is there a way? yes, it can be done over ssh set up ssh first and a connection to the internet, then follow the instructions here: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: usb wifi device neo1973
2008/9/30 ashley elphick [EMAIL PROTECTED]: can anyone tell me if its possible to use wifi via usb for the neo 1973, if so, is there a tutorial anywhere to assist me? any wifi dongle supported by linux with free drivers, will theoretically work with the neo1973. iirc, atheros chipsets are considered to work well with linux, without resorting to proprietary drivers (which probably don't exist for the neo anyway). do a search for wifi open-source drivers or similar no idea about tutorials, though there's nothing specific to the neo that you need to know, beyond how to power the device - lots of info on the wiki for doing that ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[FSO] flash the FSO filesystem
As found on the documentation, I need to flash on FSO the .jfss2 file on my Freerunner (so I need the om-gta2 file). At this URL http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/ I found not a jfss2 file but a jfss2.summary file. Is this the same thing? What I need to flash? Thanks! -- -- luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Duke Nukem 3D on Openmoko Neo
hi, i'm trying to use it with debian. i get it started (without sound) //open /dev/sequencer or /dev/snd/seq: No such file or directory hexdump of the 2 accels gives me data. but when i enter the game i get to the choose episodes menu and then i can't do anything, touchscreen not working and moving it doesn't help either. someone can help? thx in advance vale -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Duke-Nukem-3D-on-Openmoko-Neo-tp842627p1143663.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: duke3d on debian ?
thank you! i installed xglamo package, and now screen rotates and resizes! duke3d then starts but i can't get through the menu because touscreen or accels don't do anything hexdump of /dev/input/event2 and 3 gives me some data, so thats ok i think. also the right click patch is not working with xglamo i think :( some ideas? thanks vale Alex Osborne wrote: On 04/10/2008, at 12:25 PM, Charles-Henri Gros wrote: I tried once but it wouldn't resize or rotate (I believe the framebuffer version of X doesn't allow that) Install the xserver-xglamo package to get the version that can be resized and rotated with xrandr. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/duke3d-on-debian---tp1142964p1143665.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] openmoko-panel-plugin 0.4
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My .deb doesnt appear to miss these icons, except brightness.png. I cant find the brightness.png file in the src tgz. When i take a look at the .deb with dpkg-deb -c openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4-1_all.deb i can see that all my mentioned icons are missing. But maybe there is a newer version out which solves this. I use brightness.png from an unofficial pre-0.4 version and i attached it to this mail. Just copy it to the right folder and the icon appears and you can change the brightness. :) arne anka wrote: My .deb doesnt appear to miss these icons, except brightness.png. I cant find the brightness.png file in the src tgz. now that you mention it -- wifi is not shown. i get the brightness dialog randomly and though it was a second functionality of the battery icon ... You have to enable it in the openmoko-panel-plugin file. Just set 'self.wifiIconShow = False;' to true and the wlan icon appears again. The developer disabled it because wlan reassociation doesn't work reliably for many users. But i had no problems so far with reassociation to my AP after disabling wlan and reenabling it. Ciao, Rainer inline: brightness.png___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: duke3d on debian ?
Right click patch isn't implemented in xglamo so far. It's also really bad that there exists the xglamo package which seems to work but no really progress is made to use it as default for debian. Only with xglamo rotation and other usefull stuff works right. I wish there would be some news about the progress with xglamo and debian. :) For the duke3d part i'm also curious how to get past the menu because i'm also stuck at this point where nothing works for me to start a level. My accels also both give data with hexdump but i can't use them within duke3d in the menu. Ciao, Rainer vale wrote: thank you! i installed xglamo package, and now screen rotates and resizes! duke3d then starts but i can't get through the menu because touscreen or accels don't do anything hexdump of /dev/input/event2 and 3 gives me some data, so thats ok i think. also the right click patch is not working with xglamo i think :( some ideas? thanks vale Alex Osborne wrote: On 04/10/2008, at 12:25 PM, Charles-Henri Gros wrote: I tried once but it wouldn't resize or rotate (I believe the framebuffer version of X doesn't allow that) Install the xserver-xglamo package to get the version that can be resized and rotated with xrandr. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
SSH (was: Re: Where is the SD card...)
It must be a routing thing. It was a patience thing. It takes a while before the SSH login from the FR appears... Patience is one of my lesser virtues. *grin* Paul -- Use the right word, not its second cousin. -Mark Twain http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [debian] going to install - hints?
(do you managed to follow the instructions? if you have hints for the wiki, please tell us!) I have no idea... i'm sorry. hoping for an answer from those who are in with debian. d On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Hire wrote: Now I get: The following packages have unmet dependencies: zhone-session: Depends: fso-frameworkd but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages Why? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-debian--going-to-install---hints--tp1133446p1142228.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. I followed the link above and found this solution: http://dgym.homeunix.net/projects/freerunner/debian-install/ Before unmount i installed also the kernel with ./install.sh kernel I allways used SD_PART1_FS=vfat ./install.sh so i haven't to configure uboot. Debian is running know fine (I'm already using uboot version of shipping state) Thank you for the Link. _ Die neue Generation der Windows Live Services - jetzt downloaden! http://get.live.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mplayer,mplayer-svn and youtube
However check that mplayer is using oss and not alsa, since the first one seems to be really faster... much better with oss...but still some little sync problem here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9rh5gV_dro (gta4(the game not the phone) trailer) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A Call for community action
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Steve Mosher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other day I was pondering all the things the community does for us. They give us new ideas, test our product and give us honest feedback, keep us true to our commitment for openness ( the idea to release the CAD files came from the community, help us market the product, and they fix bugs. Recently I was reviewing the goals for 2008.10, and I wondered what else is on the list of things that need fixing. SO I asked the testing team to give me a list of bugs that didnt make the 2008.10 list. My idea. throw these out to community and see if folks would pick a bug and try to fix it, actually sign up to try to fix it, so we get a coordinated effort. Sean liked the idea and I thought it was worth a try. Here is the list of Bugs, look through the list and if your moved to action just respond with a mail to the list: Any of these fixed already? r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[FSO] FSO repositories
I finally installed the FSO on my FR. First of all It seems that the repositories called when I run the opkg update aren't correct. I need to change those as I did for the ASU release? URL used are something like: http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//om-gta02/Packages.gz I need some fix? -- -- luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS Antenna
I have decided for the following antenna: http://www.reichelt.de/?;ACTION=3;LA=5;GROUP=G89;GROUPID=878;ARTICLE=74954;START=0;SORT=preis;OFFSET=16;SID=15aIVBFdS4AQ8AAGOwdwU13bbc4eccabc271cc42c8e96b13059d5 After tests I will report by wiki. christian Am Freitag, den 03.10.2008, 21:56 +0200 schrieb Torfinn Ingolfsen: On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Christian Weßel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, who has an external GPS antenna operating successfull with FR? I use this one: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/External_GPS_antennas#Haicom_GPS-AHI-101 It works nicely both with my FreeRunner and my 1973. -- mfg/br, christian weßel Flurstraße 14 29640 Schneverdingen Germany E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telefon: +49 5193 97 14 95 Mobile: +49 171 357 59 57 http://wesselch.homelinux.org signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] flash the FSO filesystem
FIXED (I think) The .summary file worked. On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Luca [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As found on the documentation, I need to flash on FSO the .jfss2 file on my Freerunner (so I need the om-gta2 file). At this URL http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/ I found not a jfss2 file but a jfss2.summary file. Is this the same thing? What I need to flash? Thanks! -- -- luca -- -- luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS Antenna
Christian Weßel wrote: Hi folks, who has an external GPS antenna operating successfull with FR? Which brand? Where to get? I check the first one without success, so I need to look for a fit one. I've got a HaiCom GPS Antenna with internal preamplifier, which works fine with my HaiCom PCMCIA card and the Freerunner, but fails to work with my Medion PNA (I guess it does not provider power to the connector). HTH, -- Tobias PGP: http://9ac7e0bc.uguu.de このメールは十割再利用されたビットで作られています。 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
The Lost Openmoko Community
Hi! After my previous blog post [1] about Openmoko 2007.2 distribution and the Openmoko community I got some comments proving that like me, some other people feel that the community is lost and uninformed. This post is a follow up to the previous post and the comments I got. I've understood that 2007.2 still ships with the phones. As soon as one gets his new c00l Freerunner linux phone they need to flash the phone with a new distro (2008.x or Debian, FDOM, SHR, Gentoo, Qtopia, FSO.. [6]) since the software it ships with is obsolete. OK, so you get your 2008.x there and find that it doesn't really do all the magic and would like to report a bug. BUGS I don't know how others feel but I really don't feel like reporting bugs in the bug tracker [3]. OK, I'm running an unsupported distro (2007.2) so there's one reason but I also feel that it's okay to post kernel bugs only there, not anything that a normal user would see in his GUI. Is this correct or just a feeling or misunderstanding? Remember that all Freerunner owners and people here in the community are not kernel developers. I don't even know how to save back traces or hack the source code but I'm happy to report if something doesn't work and then when someone more skillful finds what's wrong and eventually fixes it, I'm again happy to try if the fix works for me. For some reason I feel that there's no space in the community for users like me. DISTROS So it's 2008.x now. No, wait.. there are FDOM [5] and SHR [2] around that are not far from 2008.x. Is 2007.2 still developed and lead by Openmoko or by the community? Do the community developers have access to the files so that new releases can be made or is SHR the closest to 2007.2 you can get to? My feeling is that there was a lack of information about why 2007.2 was forgotten and new 2008.x series was started and that something weird is happening in the official distros that creates a need for FDOM and SHR - why don't the developers feel ok to contribute directly to 2007.x and 2008.x but 'fork' their own distros? INFORMATION I think that what makes me feel lost is the lack of information about what's happening in the community. I don't know what's the development status of the software or what's the general direction the community and/or Openmoko is heading to? Having a better view on the general situation makes one feel much more comfortable and secure: now I feel that I just wait to see what the next release's like not being able to know what to wait for. NEXT STEPS People working at Openmoko and other software developers: * Please check 'Community Management as Open Source's Core Competency' by David Eaves [4] and have a good look at the the Openmoko community. It needs management! * Please write a blog post once a week or so to planet.openmoko.org and the community mailing list telling the community what's going on. Five to ten lines is enough to help the community feel better! * Please respect your community! Other community members: * How do you feel about the current situation? How happy are you with the community? * Do you feel well informed? Do you know what's the direction we're heading to? * How would you like to contribute? Thanks! ps. I posted this also in my blog: http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/the-lost-openmoko-community/ r [1] http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/openmoko-20072-distros-and-community/ [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release [3] https://docs.openmoko.org/trac [4] http://eaves.ca/2006/12/17/community-management-as-open-sources-core-competency/ [5] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FDOM_-_a_Fat_and_Dirty_OM_based_distribution [6] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Building FSO Wiki page
building it is what makes all the difference, you have the source so you can modify one line of code, rebuild and test it.. I also think the building_fso page is confusing, because the second part of page talks about directories that don't exist using the makefile procedure, so you cannot gradually pass from automatic to manual.. but i admit that i didn't look much into the openembedded page, so probably i must just understand better. anyway, using the automatic procedure (the makefile) i have some problems: 1) the build stops at the ttf-liberation-0.2-r2 package, install phase, and the install log is empty 2) if i issue a make update openembedded complains that it don't know where to update from... i actually know less than him, so the only way to update the distribution for me is to delete all and restart from the wget makefile step.. this is the error i get: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/openmoko/fso-makefile $ make update ( cd common ; git pull ) Already up-to-date. ( cd bitbake ; svn up ) At revision 1092. ( cd openembedded ; git pull ) remote: Counting objects: 47, done. remote: Compressing objects: 100% (30/30), done. remote: Total 30 (delta 24), reused 0 (delta 0) Unpacking objects: 100% (30/30), done. From git://git.openembedded.net/org.openembedded.dev 7c2adf8..682d3d3 org.openembedded.dev - origin/org.openembedded.dev You asked me to pull without telling me which branch you want to merge with, and 'branch.master.merge' in your configuration file does not tell me either. Please name which branch you want to merge on the command line and try again (e.g. 'git pull repository refspec'). See git-pull(1) for details on the refspec. If you often merge with the same branch, you may want to configure the following variables in your configuration file: branch.master.remote = nickname branch.master.merge = remote-ref remote.nickname.url = url remote.nickname.fetch = refspec See git-config(1) for details. make: *** [update-openembedded] Error 1* 3) which other branches are present? how do i list them? i mean: i have managed to build the fso-testing-image branch, modifying the bb files that depended on the ttf-liberation package. by doing this i must remove the terminal bb recipe, and so it's difficult to use it actually. so i tried to build fso-stable-image, but it stops the compilation on the same package (ttf-liberation, same version) and with the identical sympthoms (empty log file). is there actually any difference between fso-testing and fso-stable? 4) last but not least, the fso image i have created (fso-testing, removing the ttf-liberation package) is not able to connect to the gsm network, and write No service over the band meter icon. Is this expected? anyway, i will try to flash the prebuilt image, but i would like to know how that images are built if on my pc it actually fails.. any other got the ttf-liberation problem? roberto previdi On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Sorry but want to build FSO and flash it into my FR and do some work. If I can make the wiki clearer in the process then well and good. Perhaps it's just me that gets confused ;-) Do you need to build it? you can download an image for milestone 2 from http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/ Apparently milestone 3 will be out in a day or two... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Tango GPS shows GPS Times form 1999
I've installed Debian on microSD 2GB with Xfce, tangogps and fso-gpsd. The Trip section is normaly showing a GPS Time from 1999-11-30 00:00:00 somtimes GPS Time changes short to 2006 or 2007. Tangogps on Om2008.8 shows 1970. On both 0/0 Satellites HDOP 0.0. Is there something wrong with my GPS device? _ Die neue Generation der Windows Live Services - jetzt downloaden! http://get.live.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Freerunner loading in USB host mode?
Hi there, I am thinking about trying switch the FR (running Debian) to USB host mode, put in a USB hub and connect a external USB Disk, a keyboard, a mouse and the USB charger that comes with the FR. Would that work, that is, can the FR be charged while being in host mode so the battery doesn't get drained at once by the external drive? Cheers /peter GTalk:neubauer.peter Skypepeter.neubauer ICQ18762544 Phone +46704 106975 LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/neubauer Twitter http://twitter.com/peterneubauer http://www.neo4j.org - New Energy for Data - the Graph Database. http://www.ops4j.org - New Energy for OSS Communities - Open Participation Software. http://www.qi4j.org- New Energy for Java - Domain Driven Development. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] FSO repositories
On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 14:14 +0200, Luca wrote: I finally installed the FSO on my FR. First of all It seems that the repositories called when I run the opkg update aren't correct. I need to change those as I did for the ASU release? URL used are something like: http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//om-gta02/Packages.gz I need some fix? If you are running a straight FSO Milestone that's about it. So far there have been little to no updates. If you are using fso-testing or fso-unstable you can install the appropriate dist-feed-configs ipk at http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/ Remember though the prevailing wisdom is to not update from a distro different from the one you installed. digger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[debian] State of annoying memory card corruption bug?
It is rather annoying to fix the memory card whenever it gets corrupted and wont boot. I know there are workaround scripts, but they dont work for me, since I most often get corruption after booting after unexpected power down. Is there any progress on this bug? Any working workarounds ? -- Joakim Verona ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] FSO repositories
Wiadomość Oryginalna Od: Luca [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Data: 4 października 2008 14:14 Temat: [FSO] FSO repositories I finally installed the FSO on my FR. First of all It seems that the repositories called when I run the opkg update aren't correct. I need to change those as I did for the ASU release? URL used are something like: http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//om-gta02/Packages.gz I need some fix? -- -- luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community The testing repo seems to be down at the moment. Does anyone know why? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Lost Openmoko Community
My brother feels exactly like you. he's not really a techie and depends on me for most stuffhowever i tought him how to report bugs and watch the tracker, but he gets dissapointed that whenever he tries to report something its either already there or he doesnt have the logs required. Thing is, he packed his freerunner in the box and saved it for when its more developed (aka, ready). I'm more of a tinkerer so im happy to have a half-assed phone, with lots of noise and echo and not a good alarm (i had to buy something else to wake me in the morning reliably), and usually flash every other distro every other day and test stuff. However, I do believe that there's lack of community communication with openmoko...we dont know their plan or priorities (ie, for many many users, first and foremost we need a phone without noise or echo, but there seems to be little done by openmoko in that area). Also showing lack of focus is the releases. There have been some patches that dont appear to be implemented in 2008.x but FDOM has had it since the beginning (gtk fix, dns resolv, or the infamous keyboard debate) I think that's it for now, sorry for the long post, but it's 2 users around here. Tom Risto H. Kurppa escribió: BUGS I don't know how others feel but I really don't feel like reporting bugs in the bug tracker [3]. OK, I'm running an unsupported distro (2007.2) so there's one reason but I also feel that it's okay to post kernel bugs only there, not anything that a normal user would see in his GUI. Is this correct or just a feeling or misunderstanding? Remember that all Freerunner owners and people here in the community are not kernel developers. I don't even know how to save back traces or hack the source code but I'm happy to report if something doesn't work and then when someone more skillful finds what's wrong and eventually fixes it, I'm again happy to try if the fix works for me. For some reason I feel that there's no space in the community for users like me. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Lost Openmoko Community
Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Other community members: * How do you feel about the current situation? How happy are you with the community? * Do you feel well informed? Do you know what's the direction we're heading to? * How would you like to contribute? Hello Risto Thank you for your post. I think you wrote something that a lot of person think. I can only add my personal point of view: I don't know what Openmoko is working for, for me their work is a dbus interface. It seem to be a very good work! For the rest I don't use 200*.* I am using Debian and I am happy with it. I use the programs from Debian and I am trying to supply what still not exist. According me we must to try to develop the missiong application for 200*.* to make it usable. I tryed and I saw that is not too much complicated, there are very usefull dbus interface. So... In the end, I don't considerate myself unrespected. There is only a lot of work to do, and who can must to try to help on the accessory part that trasform a normal phone, in a super phone. Best regards Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: duke3d on debian ?
Fox Mulder wrote: Right click patch isn't implemented in xglamo so far. It's also really bad that there exists the xglamo package which seems to work but no really progress is made to use it as default for debian. Only with xglamo rotation and other usefull stuff works right. I wish there would be some news about the progress with xglamo and debian. :) For the duke3d part i'm also curious how to get past the menu because i'm also stuck at this point where nothing works for me to start a level. My accels also both give data with hexdump but i can't use them within duke3d in the menu. The version of duke3d I started with skipped through menus directly to the game. I worked on it to have it work with the touchscreen. It requires a patched version of xglamo (fxing this bug: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1244#comment:41 ) For those interested I can make available my modified binaries for both duke and xglamo. I can of course also provide the modified sources (actually, I *have* to) -- Charles-Henri ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: duke3d on debian ?
Charles-Henri Gros wrote: Fox Mulder wrote: Right click patch isn't implemented in xglamo so far. It's also really bad that there exists the xglamo package which seems to work but no really progress is made to use it as default for debian. Only with xglamo rotation and other usefull stuff works right. I wish there would be some news about the progress with xglamo and debian. :) For the duke3d part i'm also curious how to get past the menu because i'm also stuck at this point where nothing works for me to start a level. My accels also both give data with hexdump but i can't use them within duke3d in the menu. The version of duke3d I started with skipped through menus directly to the game. I worked on it to have it work with the touchscreen. It requires a patched version of xglamo (fxing this bug: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1244#comment:41 ) For those interested I can make available my modified binaries for both duke and xglamo. I can of course also provide the modified sources (actually, I *have* to) There you go: http://charles-henri.org/duke3d http://charles-henri.org/Xglamo http://charles-henri.org/duke3d.tar.gz The buttons are: jumpescape prev weapon next weapon open/accept fire In menus, click to the left to go back In y/n menus, click open to accept / escape to cancel (I'm not sure the latter works) -- Charles-Henri ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Lost Openmoko Community
To all, but especially OM. I felt a little cheated when I saw the FR I had bought was not ready to be used as a daily phone. This had in fact been the publicity by OM at the time - GTA01 was for tinkerers, and GTA02 was for the public. Then people said no, it was clear that GTA02 was also for tinkerers only... well, whatever; I decided to ignore that, be positive, and contribute with bug reports while waiting for a decent basic distro that would control the device as expected and serve as a development platform. But just like the others, I don't know what OM (the company) is doing. I know it is keeping FSO on track, which was always the real objective of OM (the project) and this is a Good Thing. But I don't understand why there are so many distros, and none of them works as a solid basic system. OM (the company) should have only sold the GTA02 when the hardware and kernel and drivers where tested and ready. Or, if that was not possible due to time-to-market constraints, then it should have called for the community's help for doing just that: getting the device to work. Instead, it went ahead telling us the Neo is a blank slate, a canvas to paint on... and the people who have painted, have lost many of their paintings, and even the will to paint. At least, they won't paint with OM brushes. It is too frustrating and time-consuming. Enough ranting. Personally, I need a working device. Kernel, drivers, daemons, system scripts, all of this must be in place to allow the device's hardware to be controlled at the flick of a software switch. GPRS+GSM muxing must be included by default. WIFI must work correctly by default. Bluetooth must work as well as in any other distro by default. And for god's sake, AUDIO must work as intended by default (it IS a phone after all). Only after OM guarantees these minimum requirements can it ask the community to go ahead and innovate... Don't waste your time on GUIs or eye-candy apps; give us a device with a rock solid subsystem and a command shell, and we will fill in the blanks and build from there. Vasco. Citando Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Other community members: * How do you feel about the current situation? How happy are you with the community? * Do you feel well informed? Do you know what's the direction we're heading to? * How would you like to contribute? Hello Risto Thank you for your post. I think you wrote something that a lot of person think. I can only add my personal point of view: I don't know what Openmoko is working for, for me their work is a dbus interface. It seem to be a very good work! For the rest I don't use 200*.* I am using Debian and I am happy with it. I use the programs from Debian and I am trying to supply what still not exist. According me we must to try to develop the missiong application for 200*.* to make it usable. I tryed and I saw that is not too much complicated, there are very usefull dbus interface. So... In the end, I don't considerate myself unrespected. There is only a lot of work to do, and who can must to try to help on the accessory part that trasform a normal phone, in a super phone. Best regards Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Lost Openmoko Community
For me the solution is simple: improve fso, paroli, tichy and say goodbye qtopia. The actual stack, om2008.* sux. I find it absolutely not functional. Instead, it will be cool to see SHR on freerunner because merged the power of new framework with the old stack ( 2007.4 ) that seems to be almost stable. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/The-Lost-Openmoko-Community-tp1143809p1198538.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] openmoko-panel-plugin 0.4
You have to enable it in the openmoko-panel-plugin file. Just set ah, thanks a lot. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Lost Openmoko Community
On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 15:56 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Hi! After my previous blog post [1] about Openmoko 2007.2 distribution and the Openmoko community I got some comments proving that like me, some other people feel that the community is lost and uninformed. This post is a follow up to the previous post and the comments I got. I've understood that 2007.2 still ships with the phones. As soon as one gets his new c00l Freerunner linux phone they need to flash the phone with a new distro (2008.x or Debian, FDOM, SHR, Gentoo, Qtopia, FSO.. [6]) since the software it ships with is obsolete. OK, so you get your 2008.x there and find that it doesn't really do all the magic and would like to report a bug. BUGS I don't know how others feel but I really don't feel like reporting bugs in the bug tracker [3]. OK, I'm running an unsupported distro (2007.2) so there's one reason but I also feel that it's okay to post kernel bugs only there, not anything that a normal user would see in his GUI. Is this correct or just a feeling or misunderstanding? Remember that all Freerunner owners and people here in the community are not kernel developers. I don't even know how to save back traces or hack the source code but I'm happy to report if something doesn't work and then when someone more skillful finds what's wrong and eventually fixes it, I'm again happy to try if the fix works for me. For some reason I feel that there's no space in the community for users like me. DISTROS So it's 2008.x now. No, wait.. there are FDOM [5] and SHR [2] around that are not far from 2008.x. Is 2007.2 still developed and lead by Openmoko or by the community? Do the community developers have access to the files so that new releases can be made or is SHR the closest to 2007.2 you can get to? My feeling is that there was a lack of information about why 2007.2 was forgotten and new 2008.x series was started and that something weird is happening in the official distros that creates a need for FDOM and SHR - why don't the developers feel ok to contribute directly to 2007.x and 2008.x but 'fork' their own distros? INFORMATION I think that what makes me feel lost is the lack of information about what's happening in the community. I don't know what's the development status of the software or what's the general direction the community and/or Openmoko is heading to? Having a better view on the general situation makes one feel much more comfortable and secure: now I feel that I just wait to see what the next release's like not being able to know what to wait for. NEXT STEPS People working at Openmoko and other software developers: * Please check 'Community Management as Open Source's Core Competency' by David Eaves [4] and have a good look at the the Openmoko community. It needs management! * Please write a blog post once a week or so to planet.openmoko.org and the community mailing list telling the community what's going on. Five to ten lines is enough to help the community feel better! * Please respect your community! Other community members: * How do you feel about the current situation? How happy are you with the community? * Do you feel well informed? Do you know what's the direction we're heading to? * How would you like to contribute? Thanks! ps. I posted this also in my blog: http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/the-lost-openmoko-community/ r [1] http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/openmoko-20072-distros-and-community/ [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release [3] https://docs.openmoko.org/trac [4] http://eaves.ca/2006/12/17/community-management-as-open-sources-core-competency/ [5] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FDOM_-_a_Fat_and_Dirty_OM_based_distribution [6] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions I feel more or less the same way. I am a software developer but have no experience in linux development, not that I don't want too. My goal buying the neo was mainly to have a portable device with gps and different means of communication. Since in my work I have become more and more specialise in one area I wanted to expand my knowledge in a new area. The first I did was flash 2008.08 and get usb and wifi up running but I fast realise that the system software was to unstable to make it really useable. It crash to often and drain battery to fast. A week ago there were a call to get community to contribute in bug tracking and yesterday I struggled to figure out how to build everything so that I maybe could assist in bug tracking. until now I find it very confusing all the guides follow a general approach where I don't really know what is going on. I managed to build an image (took a few hours) but I have no idea what image and where to find the source code. Maybe it's me lacking experience from other linux projects I don't know but normally I easy can get source install required libraries ./configure and make change
Volume on a phone call
on the 2008.9 distro, is there any way to turn up the microphone volume while on a call? When I'm talking to someone they always tell me they can't hear me. -Jason smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tango GPS shows GPS Times form 1999
This seems to be a fso-gpsd bug. I also experienced this problem why i went back to use gpsd which always show the right time and satellites. Ciao, Rainer Matthias Camenzind wrote: I've installed Debian on microSD 2GB with Xfce, tangogps and fso-gpsd. The Trip section is normaly showing a GPS Time from 1999-11-30 00:00:00 somtimes GPS Time changes short to 2006 or 2007. Tangogps on Om2008.8 shows 1970. On both 0/0 Satellites HDOP 0.0. Is there something wrong with my GPS device? _ Die neue Generation der Windows Live Services - jetzt downloaden! http://get.live.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] State of annoying memory card corruption bug?
Which kernel and from when do you use? This bug should be fixed in newer kernels. But i still use the apm suspend/resume script which works for me since i installed debian. Ciao, Rainer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is rather annoying to fix the memory card whenever it gets corrupted and wont boot. I know there are workaround scripts, but they dont work for me, since I most often get corruption after booting after unexpected power down. Is there any progress on this bug? Any working workarounds ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Volume on a phone call
If you are connect over ssh to your phone you can in alsamixer set Mic 2 to 100 and Speaker to 88 this enables a normal call with near to no echo and much better understanding on the other side. But after disconnecting the settings are restored. May ou can also change during the call to a terminal and make the changes there, but only without the standard keyboard. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:11:42 -0700 Subject: Volume on a phone call on the 2008.9 distro, is there any way to turn up the microphone volume while on a call? When I'm talking to someone they always tell me they can't hear me. -Jason _ Werden Sie Mitglied der neuen Windows Live Messenger Familie! http://get.live.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Lost Openmoko Community
I think the guys from OM are really working hard to get us a great phone. I'm not always sure if they got the same priorities as we have. For me the most important thing right now is a working pone. Until I've seen some reports of more than 1 person that an image has got phoning, smsing and battery under control I'm not going to use mine. I'd like to file in bug reports, but hey.. these are so obvious I don't care about investing more time in the phone. It's collecting dust right now, and I'm using a phone I know I can count on. So instead of bringing us everything, bring us less, but stable. That said, I still have confidence in the team and I'm sure we will see something amazing in the (hopefully) near future. Other community members: * How do you feel about the current situation? How happy are you with the community? * Do you feel well informed? Do you know what's the direction we're heading to? * How would you like to contribute? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Tango GPS shows GPS Times form 1999
On Om2008.8 i used gspd and it didn't work. It looks more like working (the seconds changes form 0 to 9) sometimes is satellites changing to 1/0. Am I not recieving gsp signlas? How does it look like when there are to less singals? . Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:30:08 +0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Tango GPS shows GPS Times form 1999 This seems to be a fso-gpsd bug. I also experienced this problem why i went back to use gpsd which always show the right time and satellites. Ciao, Rainer Matthias Camenzind wrote: I've installed Debian on microSD 2GB with Xfce, tangogps and fso-gpsd. The Trip section is normaly showing a GPS Time from 1999-11-30 00:00:00 somtimes GPS Time changes short to 2006 or 2007. Tangogps on Om2008.8 shows 1970. On both 0/0 Satellites HDOP 0.0. Is there something wrong with my GPS device? _ Die neue Generation der Windows Live Services - jetzt downloaden! http://get.live.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community _ Werden Sie Mitglied der neuen Windows Live Messenger Familie! http://get.live.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Tango GPS shows GPS Times form 1999
On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 17:39 +, Matthias Camenzind wrote: On Om2008.8 i used gspd and it didn't work. It looks more like working (the seconds changes form 0 to 9) sometimes is satellites changing to 1/0. Am I not recieving gsp signlas? How does it look like when there are to less singals? . Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:30:08 +0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Tango GPS shows GPS Times form 1999 This seems to be a fso-gpsd bug. I also experienced this problem why i went back to use gpsd which always show the right time and satellites. Ciao, Rainer Matthias Camenzind wrote: I've installed Debian on microSD 2GB with Xfce, tangogps and fso-gpsd. The Trip section is normaly showing a GPS Time from 1999-11-30 00:00:00 somtimes GPS Time changes short to 2006 or 2007. Tangogps on Om2008.8 shows 1970. On both 0/0 Satellites HDOP 0.0. Is there something wrong with my GPS device? _ Die neue Generation der Windows Live Services - jetzt downloaden! http://get.live.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community _ Werden Sie Mitglied der neuen Windows Live Messenger Familie! http://get.live.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community When there is a strong signal and the position locked then there should be at least 5 valid satellites 5/6 or higher. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Lost Openmoko Community
Hi Risto, BUGS: I think the TRAC is for everybody, not just high-level hackers. I reported totally cosmetic bugs in the tracker, like there is a spelling mistake in Assassin's package desctiption or xterm is missing an icon and they got fixed simply and quickly. Nobody complains. It works really smoothly for simple bugs. DISTROS: My understanding is that Om would like nothing more than community developpers take charge of the applications and distributions, so that they can focus on hardware, kernel and framewiork. But it's an egg and chicken think, it can' happen overnight. NEXT STEP: As a community member, I feel that Om showing us total respect. Developpers, managers, and other all read and write to the lists. Of course it there is room for improvement, I could name few Om staff who I hope are taking intensive evening English classes (but hey, many community members are not writing like Shackspeare either !). On the whole, it's just that they are understaffed and spread very thin: how many people would a company need to totally rock from hardware design to community management, including production, sales, kernel development, middleware development, applications development, interface, packaging and distribution ? As for blog posts: There is Mickey's blog on the Planet, but indeed it would be nice to read from Sean more often. The Weekly Engineering Report should be added to the planet too. I will try to issue a community update this week end. Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Volume on a phone call
On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 10:11:42 -0700 Jason Cawood [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JC) wrote: on the 2008.9 distro, is there any way to turn up the microphone volume while on a call? When I'm talking to someone they always tell me they can't hear me. -Jason Yes, there is a way by installing pymixer, please follow the instructions here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem#Volume_Control The speaker volume is usually all the way at the bottom of the pymixer screen. -- Petr Vaněk http://biodynamika.cz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Lost Openmoko Community
On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 9:42 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To all, but especially OM. I felt a little cheated when I saw the FR I had bought was not ready to be used as a daily phone. This had in fact been the publicity by OM at the time - GTA01 was for tinkerers, and GTA02 was for the public. Then people said no, it was clear that GTA02 was also for tinkerers only... well, whatever; I decided to ignore that, be positive, and So the fact that you ignored it is OM's fault ? OM (the company) should have only sold the GTA02 when the hardware and kernel and drivers where tested and ready. Why there are plenty of people very happy to have a phone they can ssh into. Or, if that was not possible due to time-to-market constraints, then it should have called for the community's help for doing just that: getting the device to work. Instead, it went ahead telling us the Neo is a blank slate, a canvas to paint on... and the people who have painted, have lost many of their paintings, and even the will to paint. At least, they won't paint with OM brushes. It is too frustrating and time-consuming. If what you paint ends up being useful to the community it'll get kept. Personally, I need a working device. Kernel, drivers, daemons, system scripts, all of this must be in place to allow the device's hardware to be controlled at the flick of a software switch. GPRS+GSM muxing must be included by default. WIFI must work correctly by default. Bluetooth must work as well as in any other distro by default. And for god's sake, AUDIO must work as intended by default (it IS a phone after all). Only after OM guarantees these minimum requirements can it ask the community to go ahead and innovate... Don't waste your time on GUIs or eye-candy apps; give us a device with a rock solid subsystem and a command shell, and we will fill in the blanks and build from there. Wifi is working as well as any basic distro install. You need to edit /etc/network/interfaces and or wpa_supplicant.conf but it is working. Bluetooth also has all of the tools to make it work like dbus and hcitool. Again you need to edit a file here of there and do some reading. Alsa is working a designed as well. You can use alsactl or alsamixer to control every single part of the alsa subsystem. Again a little reading and tinkering will get it to do what you want. It sounds like you don't want to do any tinkering or reading. Why did you get a phone where that is a requirement ? Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Lost Openmoko Community
Le samedi 04 octobre 2008 à 13:22 -0600, Angus Ainslie a écrit : Wifi is working as well as any basic distro install. You need to edit /etc/network/interfaces and or wpa_supplicant.conf but it is working. Nope. No amount of scripting and tinkering will change the fact that the kernel driver is broken. It may work in some specific conditions, but it'll fail in others. That said, I admit people buying a Freerunner thinking it would work out of the box got it wrong. It's still a hacker's toy. Xav ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Lost Openmoko Community
When some body feels lost is because he doen't planned the trip enough, before come in strange territory you must have maps and read about uses and customs of the aboriginal and if the case earn enough of their language to , when if all plans fail, ask where you are and how to go any where. I'm a foreigner too, but when I feel lost I don't sit down and cry, I search for a more actualiced guide or ask , aboriginals here are very friendly, and even a lot of experienced foreigner are happy to help you too. As you post in you blog you just arrive , you take a quick look to a totally strange territory an you complain you feel lost and not confortable in any place here, if like you there are other, instead of keep this flamming post growing and growing ,get you hands dirty and began to work, you haven't to be a high kernel hacker to help, you can translate and/or review wiki, you can focus on a app and report even stetical issues (as some one in the post has already suggest..), About FDOM you have a bad perspective, FDOM is posible because a lot of people had been working to make OM2008.08, Illume, and a every app inside FDOM, is posible because people has make public their tweakings in the wiki or in this list, and even talk to me or in the devel list to make suggestions and/or directly work. FDOM has began as a shared simply backup of my own phone, and now is near to be the first distro that will have their rootfs (bad) managed in a svn repository, yeah we put the binaries and yes we know svn was thinked to manage source code, but source code is not the business of FDOM right now, we are only focused on pimping whatever OM has decide to be their base distro, if they finally change to an FSO based distro I will be happy to pimping it too, even If I have to redo all work from zeto. I have done it a lot of times to test and to try to improve things. FDOM has not born for a need, FDOM has been born thanks to all the work done before, including the phone where it runs. This is a public request to all those you like FDOM, If you like FDOM then you like OM2008.X, FDOM=OM+things already done by others , please stop comparation and using FDOM as weapon against itself. I will already ask to please, stop this post right now in the tone it has began. And maybe I wrong and now i will post a personal opinion, You have your own blog to post you opinions, you have appeared in planet, as you already said people has post their opinions in your blog post,you have said nothing new in this post than have not already said in you blog, there was a need to do it? Thanks to all to make me, and colaboratos, able to make FDOM El sáb, 04-10-2008 a las 15:56 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa escribió: Hi! After my previous blog post [1] about Openmoko 2007.2 distribution and the Openmoko community I got some comments proving that like me, some other people feel that the community is lost and uninformed. This post is a follow up to the previous post and the comments I got. I've understood that 2007.2 still ships with the phones. As soon as one gets his new c00l Freerunner linux phone they need to flash the phone with a new distro (2008.x or Debian, FDOM, SHR, Gentoo, Qtopia, FSO.. [6]) since the software it ships with is obsolete. OK, so you get your 2008.x there and find that it doesn't really do all the magic and would like to report a bug. BUGS I don't know how others feel but I really don't feel like reporting bugs in the bug tracker [3]. OK, I'm running an unsupported distro (2007.2) so there's one reason but I also feel that it's okay to post kernel bugs only there, not anything that a normal user would see in his GUI. Is this correct or just a feeling or misunderstanding? Remember that all Freerunner owners and people here in the community are not kernel developers. I don't even know how to save back traces or hack the source code but I'm happy to report if something doesn't work and then when someone more skillful finds what's wrong and eventually fixes it, I'm again happy to try if the fix works for me. For some reason I feel that there's no space in the community for users like me. DISTROS So it's 2008.x now. No, wait.. there are FDOM [5] and SHR [2] around that are not far from 2008.x. Is 2007.2 still developed and lead by Openmoko or by the community? Do the community developers have access to the files so that new releases can be made or is SHR the closest to 2007.2 you can get to? My feeling is that there was a lack of information about why 2007.2 was forgotten and new 2008.x series was started and that something weird is happening in the official distros that creates a need for FDOM and SHR - why don't the developers feel ok to contribute directly to 2007.x and 2008.x but 'fork' their own distros? INFORMATION I think that what makes me feel lost is the lack of information about what's happening in the community. I don't know what's the development status of the software
Re: The Lost Openmoko Community
Bravo! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - David Samblas escribió: When some body feels lost is because he doen't planned the trip enough, before come in strange territory you must have maps and read about uses and customs of the aboriginal and if the case earn enough of their language to , when if all plans fail, ask where you are and how to go any where. I'm a foreigner too, but when I feel lost I don't sit down and cry, I search for a more actualiced guide or ask , aboriginals here are very friendly, and even a lot of experienced foreigner are happy to help you too. As you post in you blog you just arrive , you take a quick look to a totally strange territory an you complain you feel lost and not confortable in any place here, if like you there are other, instead of keep this flamming post growing and growing ,get you hands dirty and began to work, you haven't to be a high kernel hacker to help, you can translate and/or review wiki, you can focus on a app and report even stetical issues (as some one in the post has already suggest..), About FDOM you have a bad perspective, FDOM is posible because a lot of people had been working to make OM2008.08, Illume, and a every app inside FDOM, is posible because people has make public their tweakings in the wiki or in this list, and even talk to me or in the devel list to make suggestions and/or directly work. FDOM has began as a shared simply backup of my own phone, and now is near to be the first distro that will have their rootfs (bad) managed in a svn repository, yeah we put the binaries and yes we know svn was thinked to manage source code, but source code is not the business of FDOM right now, we are only focused on pimping whatever OM has decide to be their base distro, if they finally change to an FSO based distro I will be happy to pimping it too, even If I have to redo all work from zeto. I have done it a lot of times to test and to try to improve things. FDOM has not born for a need, FDOM has been born thanks to all the work done before, including the phone where it runs. This is a public request to all those you like FDOM, If you like FDOM then you like OM2008.X, FDOM=OM+things already done by others , please stop comparation and using FDOM as weapon against itself. I will already ask to please, stop this post right now in the tone it has began. And maybe I wrong and now i will post a personal opinion, You have your own blog to post you opinions, you have appeared in planet, as you already said people has post their opinions in your blog post,you have said nothing new in this post than have not already said in you blog, there was a need to do it? Thanks to all to make me, and colaboratos, able to make FDOM El sáb, 04-10-2008 a las 15:56 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa escribió: Hi! After my previous blog post [1] about Openmoko 2007.2 distribution and the Openmoko community I got some comments proving that like me, some other people feel that the community is lost and uninformed. This post is a follow up to the previous post and the comments I got. I've understood that 2007.2 still ships with the phones. As soon as one gets his new c00l Freerunner linux phone they need to flash the phone with a new distro (2008.x or Debian, FDOM, SHR, Gentoo, Qtopia, FSO.. [6]) since the software it ships with is obsolete. OK, so you get your 2008.x there and find that it doesn't really do all the magic and would like to report a bug. BUGS I don't know how others feel but I really don't feel like reporting bugs in the bug tracker [3]. OK, I'm running an unsupported distro (2007.2) so there's one reason but I also feel that it's okay to post kernel bugs only there, not anything that a normal user would see in his GUI. Is this correct or just a feeling or misunderstanding? Remember that all Freerunner owners and people here in the community are not kernel developers. I don't even know how to save back traces or hack the source code but I'm happy to report if something doesn't work and then when someone more skillful finds what's wrong and eventually fixes it, I'm again happy to try if the fix works for me. For some reason I feel that there's no space in the community for users like me. DISTROS So it's 2008.x now. No, wait.. there are FDOM [5] and SHR [2] around that are not far from 2008.x. Is 2007.2 still developed and lead by Openmoko or by the community? Do the community developers have access to the files so that new releases can be made or is SHR the closest to 2007.2 you can get to? My feeling is that there was a lack of information about why 2007.2 was forgotten and new 2008.x series was started and that something weird is happening in the official distros that creates a need for FDOM and SHR - why don't the developers feel ok to contribute directly to 2007.x and 2008.x but 'fork' their own distros? INFORMATION I think that what makes me feel lost is the lack of
How do I turn on wifi in QTextended?
I'm using the new version of QTextended (was Qtopia) and I can't seem to find any way to turn on my wireless. I see where I can turn on/off the Bluetooth, but nothing for the wifi chip. Any advice? -Charles Pax ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do I turn on wifi in QTextended?
Charles Pax wrote: I'm using the new version of QTextended (was Qtopia) and I can't seem to find any way to turn on my wireless. I see where I can turn on/off the Bluetooth, but nothing for the wifi chip. Any advice? Settings-Internet-Options (menu)-New-Wireless -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] FSO repositories
rhn wrote: The testing repo seems to be down at the moment. Does anyone know why? OpenEmbedded had a TMPDIR ABI increment, which meant that everything needs to be rebuilt. I've temporarily put the old build results back so people can continue using those while the rebuild is happening. -- Rod ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Building FSO Wiki page
Previdi Roberto wrote: anyway, using the automatic procedure (the makefile) i have some problems: 1) the build stops at the ttf-liberation-0.2-r2 package, install phase, and the install log is empty This was fixed a couple of days ago. Did you run make update and try again? 2) if i issue a make update openembedded complains that it don't know where to update from... The trial OE Git repository layout was changed a couple of days ago, and the Makefile was updated to match this. Did you run make update-makefile and try again? 3) which other branches are present? how do i list them? i mean: i have managed to build the fso-testing-image branch, modifying the bb files that depended on the ttf-liberation package. by doing this i must remove the terminal bb recipe, and so it's difficult to use it actually. so i tried to build fso-stable-image, but it stops the compilation on the same package (ttf-liberation, same version) and with the identical sympthoms (empty log file). is there actually any difference between fso-testing and fso-stable? This problem will go away once you do the two things above. 4) last but not least, the fso image i have created (fso-testing, removing the ttf-liberation package) is not able to connect to the gsm network, and write No service over the band meter icon. Is this expected? It's not a systematic problem, since many people are able to connect using that image. -- Rod ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do I turn on wifi in QTextended?
I tried that already, but I went back and tried it again. After erasing everything I had done before and starting from scratch, it worked. Thanks. -Charles On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles Pax wrote: I'm using the new version of QTextended (was Qtopia) and I can't seem to find any way to turn on my wireless. I see where I can turn on/off the Bluetooth, but nothing for the wifi chip. Any advice? Settings-Internet-Options (menu)-New-Wireless -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
QT extended segfaults
After successfully installing Qt extended on my SD (no idea why it didn't work the first time) it worked well enough for a while. I installed the zoneinfo files,though that seems unlikely to be connected with the problem. Then at some point it stopped suspending, so I tried rebooting. Since then qpe segfaults on booting. I can still connect to the FR with ssh and see the following message repeated every few seconds in dmesg: neo1973-pm-bt neo1973-pm-bt.0: GTA02 Set PCF50633 LDO4 = 3200 usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using s3c2410-ohci and address 38 usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 38 Any ideas? Jonathan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A Call for community action
Nope. nobody signed up. Risto H. Kurppa wrote: On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Steve Mosher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other day I was pondering all the things the community does for us. They give us new ideas, test our product and give us honest feedback, keep us true to our commitment for openness ( the idea to release the CAD files came from the community, help us market the product, and they fix bugs. Recently I was reviewing the goals for 2008.10, and I wondered what else is on the list of things that need fixing. SO I asked the testing team to give me a list of bugs that didnt make the 2008.10 list. My idea. throw these out to community and see if folks would pick a bug and try to fix it, actually sign up to try to fix it, so we get a coordinated effort. Sean liked the idea and I thought it was worth a try. Here is the list of Bugs, look through the list and if your moved to action just respond with a mail to the list: Any of these fixed already? r ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[QTextended] how to select music directory in Media Player?
I have been trying to setup to play files stored on my SD card but cannot find any way to select or enter a directory. - Craig ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QTextended] how to select music directory in Media Player?
Craig B. Allen wrote: I have been trying to setup to play files stored on my SD card but cannot find any way to select or enter a directory. Put your files in a Documents directory on the sd card and qt extended will find them -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Building FSO Wiki page
On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) if i issue a make update openembedded complains that it don't know where to update from... the Makefile was updated to match this. Did you run make update-makefile and try again? i tried but the makefile just doesn't have the update-makefile target.. No problems anyway, i just went back to square one and wgetted a new makefile and it seems to work. now i can even issue a make update, and i just seen the ttf-liberation package compiled, yeah! 4) last but not least, the fso image i have created (fso-testing, removing the ttf-liberation package) is not able to connect to the gsm network, and write No service over the band meter icon. Is this expected? It's not a systematic problem, since many people are able to connect using that image. happy to hear this.. maybe i just made some confusion with the kernel boot arguments, since i want to start it from the sd card and seems like uboot don't like it very much. it's a 2 gb ultra, but when i make mmcinit uboot says it is a 512 mb card.. i am able to boot fso one time out of 10 or so, and i suspect that uboot fallback to load the main kernel on the internal memory passing it the rootfs argument of the sd, the kernel actually can read the card without problem and fso magically boots :) (i'm not sure of this, it's just a suspicion.. i must indagate better. is there a way, maybe in the proc directory, to know where the kernel were loaded from? or maybe the complete kernel image to diff against and find out?) maybe the different kernel loaded make gsmd unable to actually use the gsm hardware.. well, thanks for your reply, my pc will compile all night now.. let's hope to find a good fso image tomorrow morning, and let's prepare to fight another uboot war! roby ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Lost Openmoko Community
Hi Risto, I think you depend upon Openmoko Inc. to provide the community. Or perhaps direction for the community. I don't know if that's possible. Community is, by definition, a bunch of different people, with different ideas and different requirements. Sure there may be some consensus, but there will also be plenty of people pulling in different directions, too. Additionally, I think most of us, as Linux geeks, disagree with Openmoko Inc. on what software for our phones should look like. Openmoko want to sell their next generation of phones to little old ladies and teenagers, and are prepared to sacrifice complexity to do that. And they won't be asking the community how we want our phones - they will be following their own vision to achieve this. I won't by any means be relying on official distros to do what I want. But what Openmoko HAS given us is wonderful, wonderful phone hardware which runs fully open-source software. I have realised that any criticism I might make of Openmoko must pale in comparison beside this - they're the ONLY people who have yet done so. (Perhaps we might mention the no-longer available Trolltech Greenphone, but that was only a run of 1000 units or so). I appreciate that if you're not already a Linux / OSS fanboi, then the above statement might not mean much. What good is fully open-source software, if it doesn't work, you say? Well, the benefit is that WE can make it work, and we don't have to reply upon Openmoko to help us. Considering that the Freerunner is only - what? - 3 months old, the community has made leaps bounds already. As others have pointed out, you can make a bug report over a spelling mistake, and I point to David Samblas' distro as an example of what the community has produced already. I think that your problems stem from looking at the Openmoko community from the outside in. Only 3 months ago the first 5,000 or 10,000 units of the Freerunner suddenly hit the market - of course the direction of development is going to be a mess. It's going to be impossible to look at just a wiki or two and try and get a handle of everything that's going on. And one shouldn't expect the impossible from Openmoko - to expect a unified direction of development you are asking someone to herd cats. Personally I don't want a single true distro, because we might end up with Gnome for phones. I prefer KDE and others here prefer Ice or whatever. Rereading some of your questions, I did feel the same way myself a couple of months ago. why don't the developers feel ok to contribute directly to 2007.x and 2008.x but 'fork' their own distros? I have to say that I asked this myself, and I came to realise that that wouldn't suit the Openmoko vision for their own software. Just as you can't submit patches to Gnome to add right-click options if it doesn't meet with their usability specification or ask KDE to remove options because they confuse my grandmother, some aspects of the Openmoko vision are indeed closed. But this free software lark gives us the CHOICE! I feel that software images from Raster David Samblas, the work being undertaken on SHR and the recent Qtopia release are all testaments to the community surrounding Openmoko's device(s), and if you appreciated how rapidly the situation with the software distos has improved in only a few weeks, you would realise that there are great things ahead for this platform. Yes, presently it may be frustrating for you, but even the person who makes a blog post about configuring their wifi under disto X, or changing the theme so that Navit displays better... those people are making a difference and improving the Freerunner environment for everyone. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
