Re: [Om2008.8 - testing] - No soundcards found... (maybe problem with qi ?)
Benedikt Schindler schrieb: Device: GTA02 Distro: om2008.8 version: unstable Last update/upgrade: today does someone know this problem: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg upgrade Configuring alsa-state System startup links for /etc/init.d/alsa-state already exist. /usr/sbin/alsactl: load_state:1327: No soundcards found... postinst script returned status 237 Collected errors: * ERROR: alsa-state.postinst returned 237 hi, i am very busy at the moment so i hadn't had time to investigate this problem. But yesterday i had two hours left, so i found a few things out. I have a solution now ... maybe it's a problem with qi (also if i don't know, how the bootloader could have something to do with it) or maybe it's somethoing else i don't realy know. so i just describe all my steps and you could make your own opinion. I installed qi a few weeks ago. Everything was OK. i run the freerunner into a total empty battery state. (so there was no regular shutdown) i didn't had have a sound card anymore. dmesg: --- ASoC version 0.13.1 Only GTA01 hardware supported by ASoc driver i thought it is a problem with the updates in the unstable/testing tree. there where no other reports and no one could help me. Because it is very unnormal for a bug to show up just by me, i thought where is the differnce between my freerunner and most of the other freerunners out there. And then i remebered that i had installed qi. So i flashed U-Boot back to the freerunner. And now the soundcard was back again. dmesg: -- ASoC version 0.13.1 wm8753: WM8753 Audio Codec 0.16 asoc: WM8753 HiFi - s3c24xx-i2s mapping ok asoc: WM8753 Voice - Bluetooth mapping ok Only GTA01 hardware supported by ASoc driver -- so i thought that couldn't be and installed qi back. everything was fine again, and sound card still worked. i crashed the freerunner (sorry, i don't know how) soundcard was gone again. i reflashed the newest u-boot and there the soundcard was back again. so i now stay by the u-boot image ;) - so i don't know how this could be. But maybe the U-Boot is reseting the soundcard in some way, and qi didn't do that. don't know, but i have a running freerunner again. ;) c u all Beni ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Files and types
On Qt Extended I managed to see the pictures, by putting them in a path that is the file type, e.g. in Documents/images/jpeg. Now I can see them. On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 05:39:29AM +0200, Paul wrote: If it is Qt Extended, the files have to be in a folder named Documents on the SD card or in the home folder Hmm. That's where they are. I'll play around a bit more. Perhaps changing the names will help... Thank you! Paul -- Your assumptions are your windows on the world. Scrub them off every once in a while, or the light won't come in. -Alan Alda http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Charles Clément. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FDOM - OMView question
Hi all, I am running FDOM from the card at the moment, works pretty nice. I can see pictures! *grin* Question about that though: I can drag the picture up full-screen and even in zoom-view. But how does one get back to the thumbnail view from there? There's no control for it in sight, and pressing all the buttons doesn't help either. I resolved this by pulling the battery, but I doubt this is the standard control for it. ;-) Paul -- No time. Saddest words ever spoken or written. http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 solved
On Sunday 31 August 2008 15:50:05 Al Johnson wrote: The patch turns on the echo and noise suppression capabilities in the GSM chipset using one of the hidden and NDA's AT commands someone kindly posted on the hardware list. Just for my understanding: I thought that on my openmoko-phone even the hardware is supposed to be free and open. How can it be than, that there are hidden commands and NDA's? I read somewhere (long time ago - before the FR reached its birthday) that there might be some pieces of hardware not open such as the GSM chip. I guess exactly this is the case. Could someone experienced to NDA's, copyright laws, GPL violations and so on please explain me how exactly this is handled here? Thanks Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended
gtalk uses jabber protocol, so should be doable. Nishit Dave wrote: On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a gtalk presence indicator. Million dollar question: where is gtalk? how do I install and configure it? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 solved
Michael Zanetti wrote: On Sunday 31 August 2008 15:50:05 Al Johnson wrote: The patch turns on the echo and noise suppression capabilities in the GSM chipset using one of the hidden and NDA's AT commands someone kindly posted on the hardware list. Just for my understanding: I thought that on my openmoko-phone even the hardware is supposed to be free and open. How can it be than, that there are hidden commands and NDA's? I read somewhere (long time ago - before the FR reached its birthday) that there might be some pieces of hardware not open such as the GSM chip. I guess exactly this is the case. Could someone experienced to NDA's, copyright laws, GPL violations and so on please explain me how exactly this is handled here? I'm sure someone from openmoko will correct me if I'm wrong, but I'll have a go. The aim is to be as open as practicable, and they are more open than anything else I know of. Companies hold copyright on their documentation, and can grant or deny the right to copy that documentation. Ideally this would be both public and redistributable, but this is often not the case. They may make it public but not redistributable, or keep it entirely private, disclosing it only under some variety of nondisclosure agreement. NDA is a very general description, and any NDA will detail what can and can't be disclosed under what conditions. It is quite possible for an NDA to allow documentation to be used in writing GPL code. I gather from discussions on the list that the NDA for the Glamo would allow Openmoko to rewrite the documentation and release the rewrite, but not the original documentation. This may seem bizarre, but it allows SMedia to keep control of their documents, and to disclaim liability for errors in anything disclosed. GSM firmware will never be fully open unless national telecoms regulators decide to relax their rules. The GSM modem is in effect a separate device with its own firmware that we talk to through a serial interface. It just happens to be on the same board. The commands that the modem has to deal with are set out in a number of GSM standards. On top of this there are commands specific to this chipset/firmware, some of which Openmoko have documentation for under an NDA. This appears to let them use the commands in GPL code and to answer specific questions, but not to release a description of the whole command set. It seems there are further commands, such as those controlling AEC, that are not mentioned in the documents Openmoko have. Openmoko are walking a tightrope here. Open is a new word to chipset manufacturers in the telecoms arena, and some understand more than others. Until they can be educated there will be compromises to be made, and decisions may not always work out as well as they initially appeared. Certain features that people expect may not be possible in an open phone right now. This applied to wifi for GTA01 as there was no sufficiently low power wifi chip with an open driver. The problems with the binary blob for the GTA01 gps have made those clearly unacceptable, but 3D acceleration without a binary blob is currently unobtainable in a mobile with 480x640 resolution. In the meantime they're heading in the right direction and researching the most open options available - see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoForesight for examples. With luck they will manage to convince manufacturers of the advantages of openness along the way. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[QtExtended] Snapshots? Yes, please!
Hi all, just wanted to share my experience with QT Extended: 1) First off - I put [QtExtended] in the subject - hope this is okay. I have found it extremely convenient when others have done it, as it makes it easy to (quick)filter on subject. I would encourage other qt users to do the same. 2) I have tested uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin (from http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels) and qtextended-4.4.1-gta02-rootfs-release-10022309.jffs2 (from http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/) I am quite impressed! 3) I can confirm most of the bugs already mentioned here earlier. Are we supposed to file bugreports here?: http://trolltech.com/developer/task-tracker I couldn't find any section for QT Extended, nor for Neo/Freerunner. 4) Networking: The menu in Settings/Internet is confusing: Are we supposed to tap to select *and* tap to activate/deactivate? There is no feedback on activation/deactivation - it takes several seconds for pending to appear. If it fails, sometimes nothing is shown. Is it possible to select without activating/deactivating? Would it be possible to make the icons bigger, and thus making it easier to hit the right entry? And also making an activate/deactivate button next to the entry to make it more intuitive? The first time I tried to add my local wlan network, I really didn't understand the logic in the settings: First add wlan, then add networks. To add new networks, I need to a) select wlan, b) Options-wlan detection, c) wait for autoscan to end, d) options- add new networks..., e) select new network. Okay, it works, but is it the best way? Am I doing anything wrong here? 5) I know I can read the log by logread. Is there an option to make it behave like tail -f /var/log/messages? (btw, where is the log stored?) (logread -h isn't very helpful) Gees - logread -f does the trick! Useful when debugging ppp :) 6) As mentioned in the subject: If there were binary snapshots available, I would surely use them. I think Lorn Potter mentioned here on the list that they were waiting for an OK from above, hope it happens soon... Main issues: 7) volume/mic not properly adjusted when making a call: other part can't hear me, and I get too much noise to call it okay. I tried the gsmhandset.state provided by Franky (attachment to Re: one day usage of qtextended), but it didn't really solve the problem for me. Manually tweaking mic1/2 (and others) in 'alsamixer' during a call (usb, ssh) convinced me that it really can be done, but it is really hard to find the correct ratios. 8) Wireless connection seems unstable. I have had package loss reported by 'ping'. 9) Email: I was not able to retrieve the folder structure of my IMAP account. I get socket error, and sometimes that the other end disconnected. I guess this is related to 8). Once I managed to get parts of the structure before it failed. 10) Keyboard: As mentioned before by others, switching keyboards in PredictiveKeyboard is not always working - I have to struggle for quite some time to make it work. Thus, I have never managed to write a single sms using my fingers. 11) How do I create a dictionary for my language (Norwegian)? I have seen that Trolltech provides other languages, but I guess the open source nature of Qt Extended should make it possible for me to compile this myself? Can we convert stuff from eg. hunspell in some way? Really - for non-english users, especially here in Europe, we cannot use this as a regular phone without being able to write sms in our national language. Not meant as a rant, just an observation. I'd be happy to help out making other dictionaries! 12) Great to see ppp support in the lates mwester kernel (uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin)! Too bad I didn't manage to get it working. Anyone had any luck? Do I really have to tweak all those /etc/* files? Minor: 13) Web browser: Not much feedback provided when entering a URL. Also - PredictiveKeyboard doesn't make much sense when writing urls, as it forces the use of a dictionary. Also, it would be great to have a Go button next to the location bar, to make it easier to press enter. It is possible to add active pages to the speed dial, but there is no way to quickly select a bookmark from within the browser. Guess this will come later? 14) When using widescreen mode, it seems that scrolling is severely slowed down, and one can see some tearing when eg. scrolling the Applications screen. Are there some buffer sizes that should be changed? 15) Terminal: The Back button doesn't seem to work. Choosing Options/Exit does the trick, but gives an error: Application terminated: Terminal was terminated due to application error. 16) Any timeframe on a working AGPS mapping software with autodownloadable maps? Thanks for all the great work so far! -MartinG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Raster+FSO] USB Host keyboard problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Under the latest Rasterman image with FSO repos (frameworkd, zhone, | supporting installed) when I switch to USB Host mode (via sysfs, not dbus), | it will automount my USB thumbdrive, but doesn't do anything with the | keyboard that previously worked, and 'lsusb' is always empty. Module | hci_usb is inserted. | usb 1-2: new low speed USB device using s3c2410-ohci and address 12 | usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice | input: CHESEN USB Keyboard as | /devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.0/input/input19 | input: USB HID v1.10 Keyboard [CHESEN USB Keyboard] on usb-s3c24xx-2 | input: CHESEN USB Keyboard as | /devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.1/input/input20 | input: USB HID v1.10 Device [CHESEN USB Keyboard] on usb-s3c24xx-2 | usb 1-2: USB disconnect, address 12 You'd think if it can enumerate it, it should show up in lsusb... but it has gone so far as to arrange input subsystem support, it can't be that broken. Check and see if udev creates /dev/input/event* node(s) for it? If it does, try hexdump -c on it and type some keys on the keyboard. If that makes output, must be something on X side. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjspvAACgkQOjLpvpq7dMrF8wCeIS8UIDewffOJMADyB7s0E+gn mzYAn0pQHYzQyHzeQdhA1+wIwHjUJ7SP =tSwp -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtextended] problems with roaming
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:18, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (this morning, only after a reboot and several tries I could manually select back the operator I wanted, from qtextended) ... but I realized once I was called that I had no sound anymore :-( ... another bug that appears sometimes since I try qtextended, but I do not know yet when exactly... I had to reboot. I will try, when I have time, to get both logs from qtopia 4.3.3 and qtextended 4.4.1 to compare AT commands when selecting an operator. (I noticed for example that 4.3.3 issued a ATE0 before AT+COPS=, and not 4.4.1) Also I do not know if in my qtopia 4.3.3, GSM noise reduction was activated, but it was on 4.4.1 (AT%N0187) And since trying qtextended, I do not remember having the very annoying buzz during calls ! Not tried enough to be sure though... I must also check that people I call do not hear it either... Is it only sound levels and echo adjustment that helped, or something more was included in code ? (I use mwester kernel - 06 october-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.6.26 kernel testing?
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 06:11:12PM +1300, Glen Ogilvie wrote: Does anyone have some pre-built 2.6.26 kernels that could be tested? I am wondering if I should compile something from the git kernel tree. I don't care if wifi does not work, but need something that will suspend and resume. Been using: uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin but still get WSOD on resume. Also, doesn't 2.6.26 incorporate the tickless Linux patches? Won't that help with resoure usage? Rui -- Pzat! Today is Sweetmorn, the 62nd day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FDOM - OMView question
slide you finger up to down in the screen will zoom out and return to the slide show view Regards David Samblas El mié, 08-10-2008 a las 10:05 +0200, Paul escribió: Hi all, I am running FDOM from the card at the moment, works pretty nice. I can see pictures! *grin* Question about that though: I can drag the picture up full-screen and even in zoom-view. But how does one get back to the thumbnail view from there? There's no control for it in sight, and pressing all the buttons doesn't help either. I resolved this by pulling the battery, but I doubt this is the standard control for it. ;-) Paul ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
mdbus not available - but where?
Hi, i have installed Rasterman Image and FSO on my freerunner and it runs, it didn't work, but it runs :) but there is a problem, i want to use mdbus for gprs, but i can't find a package where it is, does anybody knows in which package i can find mdbus? and does anybody have a compiled openmoko-mail or me? this would be very nice, it looks so great, but i'm too stupid to compile it by myself. bye, zachso ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Smartphones-userland] [Debian FSO] GPRS dependencies
Luca Capello [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: necessary, since it removes some print calls. Can anyone confirm that the first part (pdp.py) is enough to have GPRS working on Debian? If it's like that, the package will be available late this evening ;-) Yes, you only need the first part. I initially sent the patch as a solution to #140, maybe I should have sent it to bugs.debian.org too? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Snapshots? Yes, please!
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:33 PM, MartinG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, just wanted to share my experience with QT Extended: 1) First off - I put [QtExtended] in the subject - hope this is okay. I have found it extremely convenient when others have done it, as it makes it easy to (quick)filter on subject. I would encourage other qt users to do the same. Good idea, hope it is standardised across the list through regular chiding of posters. The first time I tried to add my local wlan network, I really didn't understand the logic in the settings: First add wlan, then add networks. To add new networks, I need to a) select wlan, b) Options-wlan detection, c) wait for autoscan to end, d) options- add new networks..., e) select new network. Okay, it works, but is it the best way? Am I doing anything wrong here? I will try connecting to wlan tonight. However, I have not been able to get a successful internet connection through usb0, although the setup is the same as I had under OM2008.x. That is, Freeproxy on my Windows XP laptop bridging the otherwise uncrossable chasm between the corporate lan and the FR, alternating between OpenDNS and 192.168.0.200 under resolv.conf, declaring environment proxy variables under both SSH and bash, etc. Has anybody faced a similar issue and resolved it? Main issues: 7) volume/mic not properly adjusted when making a call: other part can't hear me, and I get too much noise to call it okay. I tried the gsmhandset.state provided by Franky (attachment to Re: one day usage of qtextended), but it didn't really solve the problem for me. Manually tweaking mic1/2 (and others) in 'alsamixer' during a call (usb, ssh) convinced me that it really can be done, but it is really hard to find the correct ratios. I think if someone even works out why the headset requires speakerphone mode to be set, and which too only works halfways, that would be a big leap forward. The interference problem is a hardware bug, and looking at the history, it may be one of the hardest ones to be solved through software. 12) Great to see ppp support in the lates mwester kernel (uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin)! Too bad I didn't manage to get it working. Anyone had any luck? Do I really have to tweak all those /etc/* files? Did you try GPRS? Where and how did you specify the APN? I can't figure it out either. 15) Terminal: The Back button doesn't seem to work. Choosing Options/Exit does the trick, but gives an error: Application terminated: Terminal was terminated due to application error. That is rather cosmetic. What really bugs is those duplicate calls and messages. 16) Any timeframe on a working AGPS mapping software with autodownloadable maps? Sadly, all great software currently uses pygtk. The developers might not want to do it under QT and their licenses...I hope I'm sadly mistaken here. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: mdbus not available - but where?
Hi Arne, mdbus is from git.freesmartphone.org (pyton-helpers/mickeydbus). Get it as ipkg from e.g. http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-unstable/feeds/armv4t/mickeydbus_0.9.0+gitr0+d1f32060474767582dd4248d5e5c2adc63931d5a-r0_armv4t.ipk I don't have openmoko-mail, I don't actually know the status of this GSoC project. Thos? :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: mdbus not available - but where?
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer schrieb: Hi Arne, mdbus is from git.freesmartphone.org (pyton-helpers/mickeydbus). Get it as ipkg from e.g. http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-unstable/feeds/armv4t/mickeydbus_0.9.0+gitr0+d1f32060474767582dd4248d5e5c2adc63931d5a-r0_armv4t.ipk I don't have openmoko-mail, I don't actually know the status of this GSoC project. Thos? :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hi Mickey, very cool thing, i have installed it from testing, but my GPRS didn't work. if I try gprs-on.sh there is this answer: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# ./gprs-on.sh /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: ActivateContext failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.Exception i have no idea what that means or what i could do to fix this problem, does anybody has a hint? bye, zachso ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FDOM - OMView question
David Samblas wrote: slide you finger up to down in the screen will zoom out and return to the slide show view Thank you. It had to be something simple like that. :-) Paul -- No time. Saddest words ever spoken or written. http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 solved
I see... Thank you very much for these clarifications. Michael On Wednesday 08 October 2008 13:52:58 Alastair Johnson wrote: Michael Zanetti wrote: On Sunday 31 August 2008 15:50:05 Al Johnson wrote: The patch turns on the echo and noise suppression capabilities in the GSM chipset using one of the hidden and NDA's AT commands someone kindly posted on the hardware list. Just for my understanding: I thought that on my openmoko-phone even the hardware is supposed to be free and open. How can it be than, that there are hidden commands and NDA's? I read somewhere (long time ago - before the FR reached its birthday) that there might be some pieces of hardware not open such as the GSM chip. I guess exactly this is the case. Could someone experienced to NDA's, copyright laws, GPL violations and so on please explain me how exactly this is handled here? I'm sure someone from openmoko will correct me if I'm wrong, but I'll have a go. The aim is to be as open as practicable, and they are more open than anything else I know of. Companies hold copyright on their documentation, and can grant or deny the right to copy that documentation. Ideally this would be both public and redistributable, but this is often not the case. They may make it public but not redistributable, or keep it entirely private, disclosing it only under some variety of nondisclosure agreement. NDA is a very general description, and any NDA will detail what can and can't be disclosed under what conditions. It is quite possible for an NDA to allow documentation to be used in writing GPL code. I gather from discussions on the list that the NDA for the Glamo would allow Openmoko to rewrite the documentation and release the rewrite, but not the original documentation. This may seem bizarre, but it allows SMedia to keep control of their documents, and to disclaim liability for errors in anything disclosed. GSM firmware will never be fully open unless national telecoms regulators decide to relax their rules. The GSM modem is in effect a separate device with its own firmware that we talk to through a serial interface. It just happens to be on the same board. The commands that the modem has to deal with are set out in a number of GSM standards. On top of this there are commands specific to this chipset/firmware, some of which Openmoko have documentation for under an NDA. This appears to let them use the commands in GPL code and to answer specific questions, but not to release a description of the whole command set. It seems there are further commands, such as those controlling AEC, that are not mentioned in the documents Openmoko have. Openmoko are walking a tightrope here. Open is a new word to chipset manufacturers in the telecoms arena, and some understand more than others. Until they can be educated there will be compromises to be made, and decisions may not always work out as well as they initially appeared. Certain features that people expect may not be possible in an open phone right now. This applied to wifi for GTA01 as there was no sufficiently low power wifi chip with an open driver. The problems with the binary blob for the GTA01 gps have made those clearly unacceptable, but 3D acceleration without a binary blob is currently unobtainable in a mobile with 480x640 resolution. In the meantime they're heading in the right direction and researching the most open options available - see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoForesight for examples. With luck they will manage to convince manufacturers of the advantages of openness along the way. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 solved
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 5:52 AM, Alastair Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: GSM firmware will never be fully open unless national telecoms regulators decide to relax their rules. The GSM modem is in effect a separate device with its own firmware that we talk to through a serial interface. It just happens to be on the same board. GSM firmware is usually closed due to national radio laws. If the firmware were open it would be perceived a Software Defined Radio (SDR) which most countries limit. I'm sure the GSM manufacturers are perfectly happy to keep those restrictions in place. Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QTextended] Files and types
If it is Qt Extended, the files have to be in a folder named Documents on the SD card or in the home folder On Qt Extended I managed to see the pictures, by putting them in a path that is the file type, e.g. in Documents/images/jpeg. Now I can see them. I discovered that the Documents dir on the 2nd partition of the card is not read. Anything in a Documents dir in the 1st partition is recognised without a problem. It is also nicely combined with anything in Documents in the $HOME dir on the FR. Anything in these two Documents directories is cleanly picked up by a Rescan of the Documents option. Paul -- No time. Saddest words ever spoken or written. http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[qtextended] Bluetooth kernel bug
Hooray for logread. When I had first flashed qtextended, I could pair the FR with my bluetooth handsfree-set (Parrot Minikit). Each time since though, since I switch on the Parrot, the FR hangs, and I could not see why. Now I ran this show while keeping an eye on the log. For good measure: I flashed the FR with the following bits and pieces: uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin qtextended-4.4.1-gta02-rootfs-release-10022309.jffs2 When I switch on the Parrot, this is logged: Oct 8 12:54:23 om-gta02 daemon.info hcid[1351]: link_key_request (sba=00:06:6E:17:42:22, dba=00:12:1C:06:85:3C) After not much time, as you can see, this is logged: Oct 8 12:54:29 om-gta02 user.crit kernel: kernel BUG at net/bluetooth/rfcomm/tty.c:313! That's when the screen on the FR freezes (ssh login still works, obviously). The only way to relieve this stress is to take out the battery. Interesting bit: When running bluetooth ftp and the FR scans for devices, it picks up everything in the area just fine. After the scan it dies also, with the difference that I can then kill (or at least jump out of) the program with the AUX button. I did this at work today, to see what happens. Perhaps this is of help to someone. If there is a way in which I can provide more info, please let me know. I'd love to use the Parrot with my FR. (The Parrot is the only bluetooth device I have around at the moment.) Paul -- No time. Saddest words ever spoken or written. http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NetworkManager port
There is already Network manager available on Debian @ Armel4. It is running, but seem to be it doesn't recognize the Wifi card of FR. Someone had other experiences? Thank you Michele Renda 2008/10/8 Florian Hackenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi! Has someone considered using NetworkManager and a small frontend on the Neo, instead of developing scripts and frontends to the configuration files? What are the obstacles in getting NetworkManager ported? Does the wifi driver support the linux wireless extensions? Are there any libraries which are difficult to port? Cheers, Florian -- DI Florian Hackenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.hackenberger.at ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
NetworkManager port
Hi! Has someone considered using NetworkManager and a small frontend on the Neo, instead of developing scripts and frontends to the configuration files? What are the obstacles in getting NetworkManager ported? Does the wifi driver support the linux wireless extensions? Are there any libraries which are difficult to port? Cheers, Florian -- DI Florian Hackenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.hackenberger.at ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended: auto power-on?
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 14:28:16 +0200 Franky Van Liedekerke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:39:25 +0200 (CEST) Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was your phone plugged in (wall charger...) ? nope, it was unplugged. And for sure powered down, even after I re-inserted the battery. I had the same thing last evening. Unplugged phone, powered down, and suddenly it switched itself on. I did not take down the time, but it was quite surprising to see it happen... Paul ssh into the phone and do a logread, that should tell you the time. Franky and it happened again this morning, again at 06:00: auto power-on from a completely powered-down device, no sim inserted. Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 solved
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: While I do think this is completely overcomplicated and you should rather rebuild the source than fiddling on this level, I'll tell you how to do it anyways: AT%CPI=4 enables the TI Calypso proprietary call progress status. See http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blob_plain;f=framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/unsolicited.py;hb=HEAD for details on the format. Hi Michael, Thanks for the information. You are right, the daemon idea isn't a good solution. The reason why I didn't want to rebuild the sources is, that I wasn't able to find an easy way to build the qtopia-phone-x11 stuff, without needing to build the whole OM distribution. Building the distro with the MokoMakefile (make setup; make image) takes ages. I don't have any clue about the BitBaker stuff. Could you tell me how I can check out the qtopia-phone-x11 source and finally build them? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NetworkManager port
Florian Hackenberger wrote: Hi! Has someone considered using NetworkManager and a small frontend on the Neo, instead of developing scripts and frontends to the configuration files? connman was started because NetworkManager was considered too heavy for things like phones and MIDs, but how justified that is I don't know. What are the obstacles in getting NetworkManager ported? Does the wifi driver support the linux wireless extensions? Are there any libraries which are difficult to port? bitbake networkmanager It builds networkmanager-0.7+svnr3202 but I've not tried installing or using it yet. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
Tom Yates wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Steve Mosher wrote: Thanks, Maybe you could work with micheal to put this on the wiki. i also wrote up my positive experiences with openmoko (see at http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/openmoko-2.html , if you like). is there some mileage in a wiki page where people can link to their writeups, each with perhaps a paragraph of this is what i managed to do, and it's documented here and here and here? i know in an ideal world i'd've written all my stuff up on the wiki itself, but i just writing it all down was hard enough work; wikialising it was more than i could bear, and i may not be the only such person. Great post. I'll extract some things for the wiki. You of course are invited to do the same. I don't think we have a specific page linking to other people's pages. Usually they are linked in various relevant sections (e.g. since you give an excellent wifi writeup, yours might be a good page to link to from our wifi section). Perhaps we need to rethink this (on the documentation list). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended: auto power-on?
and it happened again this morning, again at 06:00: auto power-on from a completely powered-down device, no sim inserted. Did not notice anything of the likes today... Paul -- No time. Saddest words ever spoken or written. http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 09:42:00 -0700, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Yates wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Steve Mosher wrote: Thanks, Maybe you could work with micheal to put this on the wiki. i also wrote up my positive experiences with openmoko (see at http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/openmoko-2.html , if you like). is there some mileage in a wiki page where people can link to their writeups, each with perhaps a paragraph of this is what i managed to do, and it's documented here and here and here? i know in an ideal world i'd've written all my stuff up on the wiki itself, but i just writing it all down was hard enough work; wikialising it was more than i could bear, and i may not be the only such person. Great post. I'll extract some things for the wiki. You of course are invited to do the same. I don't think we have a specific page linking to other people's pages. Usually they are linked in various relevant sections (e.g. since you give an excellent wifi writeup, yours might be a good page to link to from our wifi section). Perhaps we need to rethink this (on the documentation list). What about http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner:_Selected_Blogs_and_Articles? Is it intended strictly for blogs and 'news' articles? j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended: auto power-on?
Maybe RTC alarm is setted? dos On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 18:54, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and it happened again this morning, again at 06:00: auto power-on from a completely powered-down device, no sim inserted. Did not notice anything of the likes today... Paul -- No time. Saddest words ever spoken or written. http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Rasterman Image...
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ha scritto: On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:52:00 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: So this is a little utility I wrote [1] to check the frequency of each word and writing back a new dictionary with frequency data. To run it you need php-cli (I guess v5 or above), set the given options, do php words-popularity.php and wait the work to be finished! :P It could be a long work, but it should give good results. yes. it would. who wants to run it? :) I've done it for about 42 words. Divinding the work in 5 shells went quite fine and took few hours, but now Google blocked it. I didn't know that I wasn't allowed to do it :/. I figure we should change our source :P. nb. i checked illume's kbd code - it does have issues with utf8 keysequences in sorted dicts. if you have any it'll fail to keep looking for more words so you need to remove anything utf8 from your dict :( yes - i know. bad. i need to address this. and the change in dict format i am sure 1. makes this now simple, 2. compresses the dict, 3. speeds it up, 4. solves this problem. :) but i just need to do it - no time right now :( Yes, I do agree with this. Using a better compressed format would increase the performances allowing to add more words. I think that the qtopia dawg format is a good example for this. I just hope you'll find some time for it soon :P. -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
Joel Newkirk wrote: On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 09:42:00 -0700, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Yates wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Steve Mosher wrote: Thanks, Maybe you could work with micheal to put this on the wiki. i also wrote up my positive experiences with openmoko (see at http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/openmoko-2.html , if you like). is there some mileage in a wiki page where people can link to their writeups, each with perhaps a paragraph of this is what i managed to do, and it's documented here and here and here? i know in an ideal world i'd've written all my stuff up on the wiki itself, but i just writing it all down was hard enough work; wikialising it was more than i could bear, and i may not be the only such person. Great post. I'll extract some things for the wiki. You of course are invited to do the same. I don't think we have a specific page linking to other people's pages. Usually they are linked in various relevant sections (e.g. since you give an excellent wifi writeup, yours might be a good page to link to from our wifi section). Perhaps we need to rethink this (on the documentation list). What about http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner:_Selected_Blogs_and_Articles? Is it intended strictly for blogs and 'news' articles? Excellent. Done. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Rasterman Image...
Cédric Berger wrote: On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 08:10, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ummm. Nice try, but see the results below. I ran this remotely on my workstation at work, since it's right on a 20mb fiber... Hopefully I'll be allowed to use Google again by the time I get in to work tomorrow... ;) hmm. looks like we need a botnet to distribute the queries! :) each bot does 1000 of them... :) Or maybe it is possible to ask google to be allowed to do such a task ? Maybe, as reported in their license, it would be possible since I don't think that we really use their data (i.e. search results them selves) but only the number of the results they have for a single word, and this shouldn't be nothing of bad for them, considering also that the script ask only a result per page and that the search time is always really low. Anyone could contact the G? BTW we could also using another search engine as source... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Rasterman Image...
Joel Newkirk wrote: On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:52:13 +1100, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:52:00 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: So this is a little utility I wrote [1] to check the frequency of each word and writing back a new dictionary with frequency data. To run it you need php-cli (I guess v5 or above), set the given options, do php words-popularity.php and wait the work to be finished! :P It could be a long work, but it should give good results. yes. it would. who wants to run it? :) Ummm. Nice try, but see the results below. I ran this remotely on my workstation at work, since it's right on a 20mb fiber... Hopefully I'll be allowed to use Google again by the time I get in to work tomorrow... ;) j [1328/98568] [1329/98568] [1330/98568] Unknown Popularity of Aeneid's [1331/98568] Unknown Popularity of Aeolus [1332/98568] Unknown Popularity of Aeolus's [1333/98568] Unknown Popularity of aeon [1334/98568] Unknown Popularity of aeon's [1335/98568] Unknown Popularity of aeons [1336/98568] Unknown Popularity of aerate [1337/98568] Unknown Popularity of aerated [1338/98568] Unknown Popularity of aerates [1339/98568] Unknown Popularity of aerating [1340/98568] Unknown Popularity of aeration [1341/98568] Unknown Popularity of aeration's [1342/98568] Unknown Popularity of aerator [1343/98568] Unknown Popularity of aerator's [1344/98568] Unknown Popularity of aerators [1345/98568] After which browsing to www.google.com results in: Google Error As said above, after that I was able to collect informations for about 42 words, Google blocked it since bigG doesn't allow to use these batch searches (I didn't know :P). The only way to do it like I did is asking the permission to Google, I guess. -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended
Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: - when using the dialer and then selecting a contact, it would be nice to have the same letter-select as in the normal contact-list There are some patches for Om2008's qtopia at bug #1966 [1]. I figure that they can be easily ported to Qt extended too. [1] http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1966 -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
LED notification
Someone posted awhile back and asked about a blinking LED to notify missed call or message and someone responded with can't do it when the phone is suspended. In the current state, if you don't have your setting to suspend automatically, wouldn't the phone wake up from suspended mode to notify of an event? and while in that state, couldn't we make the LED blink? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Raster+FSO] USB Host keyboard problem
On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:26:30 +0100, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Under the latest Rasterman image with FSO repos (frameworkd, zhone, | supporting installed) when I switch to USB Host mode (via sysfs, not dbus), | it will automount my USB thumbdrive, but doesn't do anything with the | keyboard that previously worked, and 'lsusb' is always empty. Module | hci_usb is inserted. | usb 1-2: new low speed USB device using s3c2410-ohci and address 12 | usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice | input: CHESEN USB Keyboard as | /devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.0/input/input19 | input: USB HID v1.10 Keyboard [CHESEN USB Keyboard] on usb-s3c24xx-2 | input: CHESEN USB Keyboard as | /devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.1/input/input20 | input: USB HID v1.10 Device [CHESEN USB Keyboard] on usb-s3c24xx-2 | usb 1-2: USB disconnect, address 12 You'd think if it can enumerate it, it should show up in lsusb... but it has gone so far as to arrange input subsystem support, it can't be that broken. Check and see if udev creates /dev/input/event* node(s) for it? If it does, try hexdump -c on it and type some keys on the keyboard. If that makes output, must be something on X side. Yes, the hollow lsusb is what first threw me. It's always that way, and /proc/bus/usb is empty as well. Indeed, it DOES create /dev/input/event5 and /dev/input/event6 when plugged in, and event5 carries keyboard activity. So it seems I have two possibly unrelated problems - lsusb /proc/sys/bus/usb being empty, and X not recognizing the keyboard. There's no X config in the 'usual' /etc/X11 location, where does it control devices like keyboard then? j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[FDOM] Bluetooth kbd?
Hi, did anybody have luck with FDOM and a bluetooth keyboard (iGo to be exact). hidd seems to be broken, in that it says 'scanning' and immediately quits... Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
another text input method
i've been thinking about this for text input for a while, seems someone's already done it on the iThing http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1823107_1823513_1823544,00.html the difference is, the user doesn't take their finger off the screen, instead dragging it from letter to letter ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
QTExtended package repository
I'm looking for the package repository for QTExtended. http://qtextended.org/packages/feed/4.4.1/neo does not seem to be there, but this is what is in the package manager I flashed to my neo. Please advise. -Charles Pax ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FSO repository -how to use it?
Hello! I've just installed Rasterman's image and I want to add FSO to it. I deleted all from /etc/opkg and run those commands: echo src/gz fso-base http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/feeds/om-gta02; /etc/opkg/fso-base.conf echo src/gz fso-all http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/feeds/all; /etc/opkg/fso-all.conf echo src/gz fso-armv4t http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/feeds/armv4t; /etc/opkg/fso-armv4t.conf But when I try to install frameworkd or zhone I get: * Packages were found, but none compatible with the architectures configured How to configure the architecture? What I did wrong? Leonti ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended
Matt wrote: gtalk uses jabber protocol, so should be doable. Certainly. If telepathy and gabble were available for the Neo's. Nishit Dave wrote: On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a gtalk presence indicator. Million dollar question: where is gtalk? how do I install and configure it? -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QTExtended package repository
Charles Pax wrote: I'm looking for the package repository for QTExtended. http://qtextended.org/packages/feed/4.4.1/neo does not seem to be there, but this is what is in the package manager I flashed to my neo. Please advise. I haven't gotten around to getting packages built for this. Once the sdk starts building again, I will add packages there. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO repository -how to use it?
Leonti Bielski schrieb: Hello! I've just installed Rasterman's image and I want to add FSO to it. I deleted all from /etc/opkg and run those commands: echo src/gz fso-base http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/feeds/om-gta02; /etc/opkg/fso-base.conf echo src/gz fso-all http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/feeds/all; /etc/opkg/fso-all.conf echo src/gz fso-armv4t http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/feeds/armv4t; /etc/opkg/fso-armv4t.conf But when I try to install frameworkd or zhone I get: * Packages were found, but none compatible with the architectures configured How to configure the architecture? What I did wrong? Leonti ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community i think u deleted arch.conf i dont know what this file does, but i think that was the mistake. i can't send you one because my FR isn't here atm, but eventually everyone else could do this... bye, zachso ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO repository -how to use it?
2008/10/9 Leonti Bielski [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello! I've just installed Rasterman's image and I want to add FSO to it. I deleted all from /etc/opkg and run those commands: echo src/gz fso-base http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/feeds/om-gta02; /etc/opkg/fso-base.conf echo src/gz fso-all http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/feeds/all; /etc/opkg/fso-all.conf echo src/gz fso-armv4t http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/feeds/armv4t; /etc/opkg/fso-armv4t.conf But when I try to install frameworkd or zhone I get: * Packages were found, but none compatible with the architectures configured did you delete the arch.conf file? i think that tells opkg which architecture to look for ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO repository -how to use it?
arch.conf was the problem! I just recovered this file from tar.gz distribution Now everything works well! Thanks a lot! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Raster+FSO] Silent Zhone
Well I still get no sound with Zhone, calls are silent both ends, and it never rings. I can play back audio with aplay and mplayer (wave, ogg, mp3), and Raster's alarm clock works. If I manually invoke 'alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state restore' while in a silent call, I get two-way sound. But still no ringing, and of course manually calling alsactl whenever I'm lucky enough to notice that it's ringing so I can have a conversation is right out... ;) Can anybody suggest a solution? I've been running this config for a few days now, and I'm kinda tired of not being able to use it as a phone. I've tried running zhone by hand and watching its output: I see nothing but setup messages, IDLE/BUSY notes, and CALL STATUS. So what can I do to watch when it's attempting to use audio, and possibly see what's breaking? And where is the ringer defined/controlled with Zhone? j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 solved
you covered it pretty well. There are some finer points that I'll get clarification on shortly Alastair Johnson wrote: Michael Zanetti wrote: On Sunday 31 August 2008 15:50:05 Al Johnson wrote: The patch turns on the echo and noise suppression capabilities in the GSM chipset using one of the hidden and NDA's AT commands someone kindly posted on the hardware list. Just for my understanding: I thought that on my openmoko-phone even the hardware is supposed to be free and open. How can it be than, that there are hidden commands and NDA's? I read somewhere (long time ago - before the FR reached its birthday) that there might be some pieces of hardware not open such as the GSM chip. I guess exactly this is the case. Could someone experienced to NDA's, copyright laws, GPL violations and so on please explain me how exactly this is handled here? I'm sure someone from openmoko will correct me if I'm wrong, but I'll have a go. The aim is to be as open as practicable, and they are more open than anything else I know of. Companies hold copyright on their documentation, and can grant or deny the right to copy that documentation. Ideally this would be both public and redistributable, but this is often not the case. They may make it public but not redistributable, or keep it entirely private, disclosing it only under some variety of nondisclosure agreement. NDA is a very general description, and any NDA will detail what can and can't be disclosed under what conditions. It is quite possible for an NDA to allow documentation to be used in writing GPL code. I gather from discussions on the list that the NDA for the Glamo would allow Openmoko to rewrite the documentation and release the rewrite, but not the original documentation. This may seem bizarre, but it allows SMedia to keep control of their documents, and to disclaim liability for errors in anything disclosed. GSM firmware will never be fully open unless national telecoms regulators decide to relax their rules. The GSM modem is in effect a separate device with its own firmware that we talk to through a serial interface. It just happens to be on the same board. The commands that the modem has to deal with are set out in a number of GSM standards. On top of this there are commands specific to this chipset/firmware, some of which Openmoko have documentation for under an NDA. This appears to let them use the commands in GPL code and to answer specific questions, but not to release a description of the whole command set. It seems there are further commands, such as those controlling AEC, that are not mentioned in the documents Openmoko have. Openmoko are walking a tightrope here. Open is a new word to chipset manufacturers in the telecoms arena, and some understand more than others. Until they can be educated there will be compromises to be made, and decisions may not always work out as well as they initially appeared. Certain features that people expect may not be possible in an open phone right now. This applied to wifi for GTA01 as there was no sufficiently low power wifi chip with an open driver. The problems with the binary blob for the GTA01 gps have made those clearly unacceptable, but 3D acceleration without a binary blob is currently unobtainable in a mobile with 480x640 resolution. In the meantime they're heading in the right direction and researching the most open options available - see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoForesight for examples. With luck they will manage to convince manufacturers of the advantages of openness along the way. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Raster+FSO] Silent Zhone
Joel Newkirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well I still get no sound with Zhone, calls are silent both ends, and it never rings. I can play back audio with aplay and mplayer (wave, ogg, mp3), and Raster's alarm clock works. If I manually invoke 'alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state restore' while in a silent call, I get two-way sound. But still no ringing, and of course manually calling alsactl whenever I'm lucky enough to notice that it's ringing so I can have a conversation is right out... ;) Can anybody suggest a solution? I've been running this config for a few days now, and I'm kinda tired of not being able to use it as a phone. I've tried running zhone by hand and watching its output: I see nothing but setup messages, IDLE/BUSY notes, and CALL STATUS. So what can I do to watch when it's attempting to use audio, and possibly see what's breaking? And where is the ringer defined/controlled with Zhone? It sounds similar to the problem I had getting ringing working with zhone in Debian. look in the mailing list, but this is the essence: cd / ln -s /usr/share this was due to a pkg problem in Debian. I dont know if it helps you. also try playing the arkanoid sid tune with sidplay and see if that works. j -- Joakim Verona ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
michael could you and brenda assist Tom Tom Yates wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Steve Mosher wrote: Thanks, Maybe you could work with micheal to put this on the wiki. i also wrote up my positive experiences with openmoko (see at http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/openmoko-2.html , if you like). is there some mileage in a wiki page where people can link to their writeups, each with perhaps a paragraph of this is what i managed to do, and it's documented here and here and here? i know in an ideal world i'd've written all my stuff up on the wiki itself, but i just writing it all down was hard enough work; wikialising it was more than i could bear, and i may not be the only such person. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
Just did that. I reorganized the WLAN page and incoporated a number of community suggestions, including Tom's. In particular, this should work for most people: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi#Using_iwconfig_manually Feedback and other working examples appreciated. Michael Steve Mosher wrote: michael could you and brenda assist Tom Tom Yates wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Steve Mosher wrote: Thanks, Maybe you could work with micheal to put this on the wiki. i also wrote up my positive experiences with openmoko (see at http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/openmoko-2.html , if you like). is there some mileage in a wiki page where people can link to their writeups, each with perhaps a paragraph of this is what i managed to do, and it's documented here and here and here? i know in an ideal world i'd've written all my stuff up on the wiki itself, but i just writing it all down was hard enough work; wikialising it was more than i could bear, and i may not be the only such person. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: LED notification
On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:21:08 -0600, Jason Cawood wrote: Someone posted awhile back and asked about a blinking LED to notify that was me :) missed call or message and someone responded with can't do it when the phone is suspended. In the current state, if you don't have your setting to suspend automatically, wouldn't the phone wake up from suspended mode to notify of an event? and while in that state, couldn't we make the LED blink? My understanding was that blinking in suspend mode is no go (or at least not exactly battery efficient because you'd need to wake/blink/suspend/ wash/rinse/repeat), but brightness fully on during suspend was possible (eating into your battery though also.) AIUI. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
New pulseaudio supports bluetooth devices
Hi, This seems like pretty good news :) Rui http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=Njc2NQ Posted by Michael Larabel on October 06, 2008 The group of developers behind PulseAudio, the Linux sound server that's quickly becoming the de facto standard, has today put out their 0.9.13 milestone release. For a large part this release just incorporates bug-fixes that have been addressed in the past month since 0.9.12, but there is one interesting new feature. PulseAudio 0.9.13 introduces support for Bluetooth audio devices, including the dynamic detection. This Bluetooth audio support was done by a student programmer as part of Google's Summer of Code project this year. The Bluetooth support is currently considered experimental but it is enabled by default. For the complete change-log with PulseAudio 0.9.13, check out the their milestone page. http://pulseaudio.org/milestone/0.9.13 -- Hail Eris! Today is Boomtime, the 63rd day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
We should allow for links to peoples pages. Michael Shiloh wrote: Tom Yates wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Steve Mosher wrote: Thanks, Maybe you could work with micheal to put this on the wiki. i also wrote up my positive experiences with openmoko (see at http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/openmoko-2.html , if you like). is there some mileage in a wiki page where people can link to their writeups, each with perhaps a paragraph of this is what i managed to do, and it's documented here and here and here? i know in an ideal world i'd've written all my stuff up on the wiki itself, but i just writing it all down was hard enough work; wikialising it was more than i could bear, and i may not be the only such person. Great post. I'll extract some things for the wiki. You of course are invited to do the same. I don't think we have a specific page linking to other people's pages. Usually they are linked in various relevant sections (e.g. since you give an excellent wifi writeup, yours might be a good page to link to from our wifi section). Perhaps we need to rethink this (on the documentation list). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
well since this is wifi specific it needs to be referenced in the wifi section. If I had the wifi problem THAT would be the first place I looked. or in the known problem section. Michael Shiloh wrote: Joel Newkirk wrote: On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 09:42:00 -0700, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Yates wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Steve Mosher wrote: Thanks, Maybe you could work with micheal to put this on the wiki. i also wrote up my positive experiences with openmoko (see at http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/openmoko-2.html , if you like). is there some mileage in a wiki page where people can link to their writeups, each with perhaps a paragraph of this is what i managed to do, and it's documented here and here and here? i know in an ideal world i'd've written all my stuff up on the wiki itself, but i just writing it all down was hard enough work; wikialising it was more than i could bear, and i may not be the only such person. Great post. I'll extract some things for the wiki. You of course are invited to do the same. I don't think we have a specific page linking to other people's pages. Usually they are linked in various relevant sections (e.g. since you give an excellent wifi writeup, yours might be a good page to link to from our wifi section). Perhaps we need to rethink this (on the documentation list). What about http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner:_Selected_Blogs_and_Articles? Is it intended strictly for blogs and 'news' articles? Excellent. Done. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
numptyphisics
Hello community. I have a non technical but important question: is there a way to reset a screen of the numptyphisics game when you have filled it with heavy rocks and there is no more chance to put the red in the yellow or viceversa? A secondary question is: is there a way to make a calibration of the pen input? because often i found that the point i draw is shifted of nearly 1 millimeter from the pen, and it's very difficult to press the little arrow to change screen :) btw, many compliments to the author/authors of this fantastic game, maybe if nobody is on it i will try to read the code and see if i can make something for it.. roby ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: mdbus not available - but where?
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# ./gprs-on.sh /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: ActivateContext failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.Exception Please enable debbuging logs (see the mdbus wiki page on how to do that) and show both the frameworkd log as well as the output of the syslog (where ppp emits its logs), then we can debug further. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: numptyphisics
Previdi Roberto wrote: Hello community. I have a non technical but important question: is there a way to reset a screen of the numptyphisics game when you have filled it with heavy rocks and there is no more chance to put the red in the yellow or viceversa? A secondary question is: is there a way to make a calibration of the pen input? because often i found that the point i draw is shifted of nearly 1 millimeter from the pen, and it's very difficult to press the little arrow to change screen :) btw, many compliments to the author/authors of this fantastic game, maybe if nobody is on it i will try to read the code and see if i can make something for it.. roby ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Roby, If you have installed the raster type keyboard (with the qwerty button in the upper left) then hit qwerty and then when the keyboard pops up hit the letter 'r' and you should be good to go. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
