Re: [qtextended] After 4 days...
On Thu, 09 Oct 2008, Jelle De Loecker wrote: What vesion did you use? I could not install the stable one, as I didn't want the echo problem. Hearing EVERYONE say I can hear myself as if there's something I can do about it, is very annoying. I've had that happen to me sometimes since yesterday and I figured out why. When I answer calls, the phone sometimes automatically jumps to (or starts the cal in) speakerphone mode. Click Options-Headset fixes the echo. Mildly annoying sure, but nothing that understanding friends can't live with :) --gera. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtextended] After 4 days...
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must say I am quite pleased with the Freerunner and QTextended. Battery life is quite good (much more than 1 day). Do note I don't call much and don't play around with wifi/gprs/gps at the moment. Battery life seems good, but I have noticed that since the last two days, my FR gets switched off although battery status must have been around 70% before I went to sleep...I did use wifi but put it offline, so either it continues to drain power, or the alarm that doesn't ring drains it in the morningwho knows. I noticed that plugging in the headset (while in the car for handsfree phone) or listening to music makes the FR switch to plugged in mode, and unplugging the headset did not switch the FR back to unplugged. Did more people notice this? I did too, and was going to post it today, but I noticed that once I receive a call and have to switch to speakerphone mode to get the earpiece to work, the phone seems to revert to 'on battery' state, and then the screen dims, blanks out and the phone suspends normally. Let me know if this works for you too. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Raster] safe repo?
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 7:04 AM, Joel Newkirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What package feeds are safe to use with the Raster image? (what about Raster plus frameworkd zhone?) I bricked my FR a few times making the mistake of doing opkg upgrade against the FSO-unstable feed I set up to get frameworkd and zhone. As long as I manually opkg what I want from that feed I'm fine, but an 'opkg upgrade tries to replace most of E - Enlightenment segv's a couple times, and on shutdown/reboot it hangs (often with an unclickable segv alter onscreen) and I can remain SSH'd to it, where I see exquisite-write sucking up 95%+ CPU. If I manage to shut down at that point, booting freezes when the kernel is up and the first boot progress screen comes up - I see the 'E' logo and an vertical white line marking the leftmost edge of the progress bar. Brick. (unfortunately I was doing all this with a reconstruction script right after flashing, so it took me a couple reflashes to realize I was causing the problem ;) I've updated yesterday and I have the same problem after the big *e* upgrade. The progress bar of the boot screen didn't start and I can't see any error message. Is there a way to disable the splash in order to find a solution to this problem ? OS : Raster image + uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable + FSO unstable feeds Jérôme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using a webcam on the Openmoko
Bravo, :) really really cool job, It would be amazing to have something similar in a 2008.X based distro. If I got enough free time I will try to to make it work on FDOM but no promises. El jue, 09-10-2008 a las 21:47 +, Pierre Pronchery escribió: Hi community, I just wanted to let you know that I got a webcam to work on my Freerunner. I have written some instructions on the official wiki in both English and French: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Webcam It could be made much easier already by enabling video input support by default in the official kernel builds. I'll file a bug for this next thing. HTH, ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Raster] safe repo?
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:39:56 +0200 gromez [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 7:04 AM, Joel Newkirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What package feeds are safe to use with the Raster image? (what about Raster plus frameworkd zhone?) I bricked my FR a few times making the mistake of doing opkg upgrade against the FSO-unstable feed I set up to get frameworkd and zhone. As long as I manually opkg what I want from that feed I'm fine, but an 'opkg upgrade tries to replace most of E - Enlightenment segv's a couple times, and on shutdown/reboot it hangs (often with an unclickable segv alter onscreen) and I can remain SSH'd to it, where I see exquisite-write sucking up 95%+ CPU. If I manage to shut down at that point, booting freezes when the kernel is up and the first boot progress screen comes up - I see the 'E' logo and an vertical white line marking the leftmost edge of the progress bar. Brick. (unfortunately I was doing all this with a reconstruction script right after flashing, so it took me a couple reflashes to realize I was causing the problem ;) I've updated yesterday and I have the same problem after the big *e* upgrade. The progress bar of the boot screen didn't start and I can't see any error message. Is there a way to disable the splash in order to find a solution to this problem ? this has been fixed upstream and in my builds - you upgraded to an untested set of packages! :( (i definitely didnt up my svnrev patches to any broken versions) :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtextended] After 4 days...
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Devendra Gera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 09 Oct 2008, Jelle De Loecker wrote: What vesion did you use? I could not install the stable one, as I didn't want the echo problem. Hearing EVERYONE say I can hear myself as if there's something I can do about it, is very annoying. I've had that happen to me sometimes since yesterday and I figured out why. When I answer calls, the phone sometimes automatically jumps to (or starts the cal in) speakerphone mode. Click Options-Headset fixes the echo. Mildly annoying sure, but nothing that understanding friends can't live with :) To the OP: I have posted two .state files sometime back, but the message still awaits moderator approval. If it does not get through, try changing the settings mentioned here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem under Alsamixer channel controls in /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ HTH. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: car charger
2008/10/10 Joel Newkirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just wanted to post that I received http://www.cross-mark.com/charger-adapter-black-1000mah-p-962.html in the mail today. The FreeRunner automatically kicks into 1000ma charge mode. :) Best $3.00 (delivered) I've spent in a while. $3? bloody hell, i'd be very wary of that powering a $300 phone. car power is notoriously unstable; i can't remember where i read it now, but it's an iffy power source at the best of times. there's a bit of info on mini-itx.com: http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=10#int the implication being that it spikes/troughs a lot, particularly at ignition ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtextended] After 4 days...
I have posted two .state files sometime back, but the message still awaits moderator approval. If it does not get through, try changing the settings mentioned here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem under Alsamixer channel controls in /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ Thank you. I'll have a look somewhere over the day! Paul -- People who fight fire with fire usually end up with ashes. -Abigail Van Buren http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
Steve Mosher wrote: We should allow for links to peoples pages. Hate to throw a spanner in the works but I think ideally the information should be on the wiki and maintained there. How up to date is the info on an external site, if it isn't maintained, or how do you know it is maintained? There is an external link on the GPRS wiki page to a German site for installing the GSM Multiplexor and a GUI. I've been trying to get those instructions to work for the last couple of days. I assume I'm getting something wrong but how can I be sure, given the speed things change in OpenMoko, the instructions still work. Of course I'm talking about the ideal world but I know that the wiki is maintained so I'm more trusting of info there and more likely to bring problems with the info to peoples attention. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[FSO-testing] FR now wake up
Hi, This night, opkg update brings me: - suspend mode seems to work (kernel update). My FR sleeps all the night and now wake up on call - E update with new ETK widgets : check buttons, radio buttons and text view Bad news: - no sound on call - no more red/blue LED while charging Good work, FSO community Yves MAHE ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
El día Thursday, October 09, 2008 a las 09:20:05PM +0100, Arigead escribió: Steve Mosher wrote: We should allow for links to peoples pages. Hate to throw a spanner in the works but I think ideally the information should be on the wiki and maintained there. How up to date is the info on an external site, if it isn't maintained, or how do you know it is maintained? There is an external link on the GPRS wiki page to a German site for installing the GSM Multiplexor and a GUI. I've been trying to get those instructions to work for the last couple of days. I assume I'm getting something wrong but how can I be sure, given the speed things change in OpenMoko, the instructions still work. Of course I'm talking about the ideal world but I know that the wiki is maintained so I'm more trusting of info there and more likely to bring problems with the info to peoples attention. I fully agree with this opinion of Arigead and I will put my stuff about Wifi and GPRS/PPP which I have in my private pages and external linked from the Wiki to these pages into the Wiki itself; in general (and without blaming nobody) I have to say about the Wiki that a lot of stuff there is outdated and not well maintained; it is sometimes also not very clear if the information/hints/changes are for the newer Om2008.[8|9] versions or for older Om2007.2 version; btw: the last days I have moved around a lot with my FR between home, office and a hospital, ... but without any reboot: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# uptime 09:31:05 up 2 days, 27 min, 1 user, load average: 0.12, 0.25, 0.29 and when I came today morning in my office, the FR Wifi came up just fine; matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Accelerometer question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: The rate at which they feed me data only starts up when the file handle is opened, and stops when it's closed? This is the case, the interrupts are quenched when no file handles are open on them. I'm just wondering, because my 1 year old Nokia 2670 just lasted a whole week in idle on an 700mAh battery, and OpenMoko lasts only about 8/9 hours in idle with a 1200mAh battery. It is nuts, we all know that, but I'm more interested right now into extending battery life, as it is my single greatest problem with OpenMoko right now. The issue is what does idle mean. Suspend for Freerunner should last a week. Sitting there with CPU up even with backlight down is 60-90mA on battery, suspend is 5 - 10mA and that's why you get battery life reduced accordingly if you stay out of suspend. That's a kernelspace issue on the one hand (suspend is not entirely reliable) but also a userspace issue (there have been bugs negotiating entry to suspend instead of sitting there with CPU up at 400MHz and backlight down). - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEUEARECAAYFAkjvBT8ACgkQOjLpvpq7dMrp7QCXXLXHkl67BWMCLaFXUhn4Lwom egCdG0HKrXvVE5IXdTv0gOO9WjD6Af8= =Fp/Y -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: car charger
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 07:25, Joel Newkirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wanted to post that I received http://www.cross-mark.com/charger-adapter-black-1000mah-p-962.html in the mail today. The FreeRunner automatically kicks into 1000ma charge mode. Automatically 1A? Isn't it only possible with the 47k resistor on charger ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Repositories missing after update to testing feed.
Hey guys I need help. After I upgraded from stock 2008.9 to the latest testing feed and rebooted I noticed most of my *feed.conf files are gone. All I have left are: arch.conf fic-gta02-feed.conf Multiverse-feed.conf Has anyone else encountered this problem? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Repositories-missing-after-update-to-testing-feed.-tp1315523p1315523.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 1:50 AM, Arigead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is an external link on the GPRS wiki page to a German site for installing the GSM Multiplexor and a GUI. I've been trying to get those instructions to work for the last couple of days. I assume I'm getting something wrong but how can I be sure, given the speed things change in OpenMoko, the instructions still work. I was able to get them to work, and the Services GUI was quite handy. However, I switched over to Qtextended last weekend. Have you installed all dependencies? Where is it that you have a problem exactly? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
El día Friday, October 10, 2008 a las 10:07:25AM +0200, Christian Adams escribió: btw: the last days I have moved around a lot with my FR between home, office and a hospital, ... but without any reboot: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# uptime 09:31:05 up 2 days, 27 min, 1 user, load average: 0.12, 0.25, 0.29 and when I came today morning in my office, the FR Wifi came up just fine; which kernel are you using? I've flashed some weeks ago kernel and rootfs from: Om2008.9-gta02-20080916.uImage.bin Om2008.9-gta02-20080916.rootfs.jffs2 and 'uname -a' tells me: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# uname -a Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Wed Sep 3 19:01:18 CST 2008 armv4tl unknown matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 10.10.2008 um 09:31 schrieb Matthias Apitz: El día Thursday, October 09, 2008 a las 09:20:05PM +0100, Arigead escribió: Steve Mosher wrote: We should allow for links to peoples pages. Hate to throw a spanner in the works but I think ideally the information should be on the wiki and maintained there. How up to date is the info on an external site, if it isn't maintained, or how do you know it is maintained? There is an external link on the GPRS wiki page to a German site for installing the GSM Multiplexor and a GUI. I've been trying to get those instructions to work for the last couple of days. I assume I'm getting something wrong but how can I be sure, given the speed things change in OpenMoko, the instructions still work. Of course I'm talking about the ideal world but I know that the wiki is maintained so I'm more trusting of info there and more likely to bring problems with the info to peoples attention. I fully agree with this opinion of Arigead and I will put my stuff about Wifi and GPRS/PPP which I have in my private pages and external linked from the Wiki to these pages into the Wiki itself; in general (and without blaming nobody) I have to say about the Wiki that a lot of stuff there is outdated and not well maintained; it is sometimes also not very clear if the information/hints/changes are for the newer Om2008.[8|9] versions or for older Om2007.2 version; btw: the last days I have moved around a lot with my FR between home, office and a hospital, ... but without any reboot: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# uptime 09:31:05 up 2 days, 27 min, 1 user, load average: 0.12, 0.25, 0.29 and when I came today morning in my office, the FR Wifi came up just fine; which kernel are you using? matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http:// www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community - -- - -BEGIN CONTACT BLOCK- eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - --END CONTACT BLOCK-- - -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCS$/IT;d-;s:;a?;C++(+++);UL;P++(+++); L++(+++);E---;W++;N(+);o?;K?;!w;!O;!M+;!V;PS(+);PE; Y+;PGP++;t+(++);5(+)++;X(+);R*;tv-+;b++(+++);DI++; D++(+++);G(+)++;e;h-()++;r++;y++; - --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iD8DBQFI7w09r81gVylJyzERAhjpAKDwyd+zJ1aC617WYHGleBuiR4U1mgCffBQv ByGa8iEWIPIW+iGyHROtjeA= =yy57 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtextended] After 4 days...
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 10:32 AM, David Garabana Barro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It doesn't work for me too. Every call received with phone suspended is a missed call. Mi SIM is VERY antique (december 1999). Might be this the problem? Mine isn't quite new either (like mid-2000), and it's working pretty well with Qt Extended. Never missed a call for about a week. I'm using the latest mewster kernel and the latest root image, both from qtextended.org, both flashed to internal storage. Hope this helps (but I doubt it). -- Olivier M. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Sound from mediaplayer in Qt Extended 4.4.1 is bad
Hello The sound from the Qtopia mediaplayer is on and off the is breaks in the song, like if someone is pause the song every now and then. It can also suddenly change song, or stop the song, pause the song. I believe that the bad guy here is the new controllpanel that isn't fully implemented yet, the old controllers still are there. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: car charger
On Friday 10 October 2008 12:50:57 Cédric Berger wrote: Ok, thanks... Would be interesting if by chance you could check between the ID pin and ground if you have a resistance close to 4.7Kohm ...? I will look at it, and post the results. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Accelerometer question
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Anyway suspend is definitly not reliable :) which I suspect in great part has to do with the blasted NDA over the graphics card documentation. Remember the White Screen of Death? Maybe OM inc guys need help with the X driver, but since it's not on their priority, suspend will hardly work reliably anytime soon... I fear Full FOSS on chip? Was that what the ad on the website said? If there is something that is too good to be true, it certainly is the case. Always. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: car charger
On Friday 10 October 2008 09:43:49 Cédric Berger wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 07:25, Joel Newkirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wanted to post that I received http://www.cross-mark.com/charger-adapter-black-1000mah-p-962.html in the mail today. The FreeRunner automatically kicks into 1000ma charge mode. Automatically 1A? Isn't it only possible with the 47k resistor on charger ? I can assuse that, at least, tomtom one v2 charger charges my neo at 1 A (as mentioned on wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_charger#TomTom_car_charger ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: car charger
On Friday 10 October 2008 11:24:49 Cédric Berger wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:03, David Garabana Barro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 10 October 2008 10:22:39 Michele Renda wrote: Can you tell to me how do you find out the charge rate? I use this one: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Forcing_fast_charge_mode#Beni.27s_fast_char ge_gta02.sh Ok, so in this case, it is not automatic. No, no... I only use that script to see current charge mode: fast_charge_gta02.sh status I can assure you that Neo puts itself into 1A charge mode when plugged to tomtom car charger. I have never forced charge mode... it scares me ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] How to develop with Qt
2008/10/10 macebre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I began a Howto based on the Wiki Article Development with Eclipse (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Development_with_Eclipse) how i got C++ and Qt4 with Eclipse and Toolchain work on my ubuntu-system. It's just my experience and i have only tried to compil some example programms, but they worked. So feel free to correct/fix it. Mat Very nice, I'm trying to do the same with kdevelop and a full openembedded tree, and got some ideas: setup debug run scps the executable on a qemu emulator and launch it, setup project run to do the same but on the real device. You may consider to try this on eclipse. Regards Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: car charger
On Friday 10 October 2008 10:22:39 Michele Renda wrote: Can you tell to me how do you find out the charge rate? I use this one: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Forcing_fast_charge_mode#Beni.27s_fast_charge_gta02.sh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Accelerometer question
Andy Green wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: The rate at which they feed me data only starts up when the file handle is opened, and stops when it's closed? This is the case, the interrupts are quenched when no file handles are open on them. I'm just wondering, because my 1 year old Nokia 2670 just lasted a whole week in idle on an 700mAh battery, and OpenMoko lasts only about 8/9 hours in idle with a 1200mAh battery. It is nuts, we all know that, but I'm more interested right now into extending battery life, as it is my single greatest problem with OpenMoko right now. The issue is what does idle mean. Suspend for Freerunner should last a week. Sitting there with CPU up even with backlight down is 60-90mA on battery, suspend is 5 - 10mA and that's why you get battery life reduced accordingly if you stay out of suspend. That's a kernelspace issue on the one hand (suspend is not entirely reliable) but also a userspace issue (there have been bugs negotiating entry to suspend instead of sitting there with CPU up at 400MHz and backlight down). 'Should' being the operative word :-) In practice it is variable to say the least. Sometimes a full battery will last a whole night with charge to spare in the morning. Other times the battery is dead. This is with bluetooth and gps disabled, no wifi connection but with gsm enabled and sim present. Image type doesn't seem to make much difference. With GSM disabled I suspect it would last more than a week based on my accidental test with 2007.2. I switched off the GSM since I didn't have a SIM in, left it on Friday evening and forgot about it. On Monday I expected to find it dead, but it resumed with IIRC 80% battery. I suspect the 'bouncing gsm' has a lot to do with it. I intermittently see repeated reregistrations. If the phone is near the PC speakers I can hear them, suggesting they require more power than sitting idle. This would probably not to explain the whole of the difference though, so I wonder if it is causing things to wake up when they ought to be thoroughly asleep. Any ideas on how I can record the number of wakeups and how long it spends awake? I wish I had an ammeter that could be used for data logging! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Charging and USB host mode
Ahh, a Nokia battery did the trick! Thanks for the help! /peter GTalk:neubauer.peter Skypepeter.neubauer ICQ18762544 Phone +46704 106975 LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/neubauer Twitter http://twitter.com/peterneubauer http://www.neo4j.org - New Energy for Data - the Graph Database. http://www.ops4j.org - New Energy for OSS Communities - Open Participation Software. http://www.qi4j.org- New Energy for Java - Domain Driven Development. On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 7:07 AM, Peter Neubauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the reply! So in short, need to somehow recharge the battery outside the FR, and that would be a Nokia-compatible charger? The FR cannot start from only the USB wall charger with a totally empty battery? After that, the perfect gadget would be the the 3-way plug described on the USB host page as work in progress ... /peter GTalk:neubauer.peter Skypepeter.neubauer ICQ18762544 Phone +46704 106975 LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/neubauer Twitter http://twitter.com/peterneubauer http://www.neo4j.org - New Energy for Data - the Graph Database. http://www.ops4j.org - New Energy for OSS Communities - Open Participation Software. http://www.qi4j.org- New Energy for Java - Domain Driven Development. On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 12:00 AM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michele Renda wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Peter... I think it will be better, if you remove the host mode from your Freerunner. Until now, no one reported damaging of his FR when putted to recharge in host mode, but I think it will be better to don't be the first one :) I am pretty sure that FR will not charge when in host mode. I think that your phone simply remained without battery. That is correct. In normal host mode the FR will not charge. Details at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_host ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: car charger
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:03, David Garabana Barro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 10 October 2008 10:22:39 Michele Renda wrote: Can you tell to me how do you find out the charge rate? I use this one: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Forcing_fast_charge_mode#Beni.27s_fast_charge_gta02.sh Ok, so in this case, it is not automatic. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] How to develop with Qt
Hi, I began a Howto based on the Wiki Article Development with Eclipse (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Development_with_Eclipse) how i got C++ and Qt4 with Eclipse and Toolchain work on my ubuntu-system. It's just my experience and i have only tried to compil some example programms, but they worked. So feel free to correct/fix it. Mat On Monday 29 September 2008 19:00:32 Nicola Mfb wrote: 2008/9/26 Minh Ha Duong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where may we start a wiki page on this argument (openmoko, openembedded, fso?) I would create the page with a link on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_developer_guide and categorize it under http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Application_Developer Minh I created an unlinked wiki page at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Developing_with_C++_and_Qt , this is only an initial attempt, please fix, rename, change, restructure, and correct my bad english :) Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtextended] After 4 days...
Paul schreef: it's really very easy fast to use. Too bad you're experiencing all that crap! Maybe try an older image like 4.3.2 ? (Just an idea, I own the freerunner for almost a full week now...) /Met vriendelijke groeten,/ En vriendelijke groeten terug... Paul I'm afraid I found the cause of all my problems... I, perhaps naïvely, thought that the sqlite database from Om2008.x was the same as the one in QTextended. Although it did work, I believe it caused all my breakage. On another CLEAN flash I didn't experience any of my previous problems. I really like the way QTextended looks and feels. All the programs integrate nicely, fast, snappy response, ... That's what's still lacking on the Om2008.x releases. Programs are pulled from various places, everything looks messy, ... But they'll get there ;) Does anyone know of a way to synchronise data from QTextended with my desktop? Groeten uit Vlaanderen :P Jelle De Loecker ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Accelerometer question
Am Freitag, den 10.10.2008, 00:55 -0400 schrieb Joel Newkirk: AFAIK by default they're always powered up. Certainly apart from the times I hit 'dead accelerometers' that took a few reflashes to get going again, I've never had to power them up unless I'd previously powered down. They're only consuming energy once someone has the device nodes open. According to the datasheet at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ST_LIS302DL: Symbol Parameter Test conditions Min.Max.Unit Idd Supply current T = 25°C, ODR=100Hz 0.3 0.4 mA IddPdn Current consumption in T = 25°C 1 5 μA power-down mode So the power draw is pretty low, both together being less than one milliamp. I suspect that frameworkd will be able to shut them down automatically if nothing needs them, once accel support is incorporated. (IIRC it does that now for other subsystems, like gps) I'm still waiting for the kernel developers to enable the wakeup-threshold. That should make it possible to shake it before it reacts to any gesture, hence allowing to incorporate gestures everywhere (if wanted). :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO-testing] FR now wake up
Am Freitag, den 10.10.2008, 09:25 +0200 schrieb yves mahe: Hi, This night, opkg update brings me: - suspend mode seems to work (kernel update). My FR sleeps all the night and now wake up on call - E update with new ETK widgets : check buttons, radio buttons and text view Bad news: - no sound on call - no more red/blue LED while charging We did some major surgery in Oeventsd, which is responsible for both of that. Should be fixed by now. Thanks for the report! :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: car charger
Can you tell to me how do you find out the charge rate? Thank you Michele Renda Joel Newkirk wrote: Just wanted to post that I received http://www.cross-mark.com/charger-adapter-black-1000mah-p-962.html in the mail today. The FreeRunner automatically kicks into 1000ma charge mode. :) Best $3.00 (delivered) I've spent in a while. j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] How to export Vcf Contacts from FR?
2008/10/10 Steven Goyvaerts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pre-Flash_Backup Pre-Flash Backup Does anyone know how to not only make a backup, but to export back to VCF format from Qtopia/Om2008.8? I now added a section for it at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts - the 2007.2 section has a script that handles it. I wouldn't want to actively change the addressbook if I cannot export from it to some standard format if I eg. change to FSO (or even back to 2007.2 / SHR!). -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Om2008.9] How to export Vcf Contacts from FR?
Hello, I've recently moved from a normal cellphone to FR and punched out of the old cellphone all my contacts to a CSV file, converted this to Vcf (which is easy using the KDE application 'kontact' because it supports both formats on import/export); than I've loaded the resulting addr.vcf file into my FR as described in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts so far so good; but how can I export now all these (and new added) contacts to a Vcf file, for example before flashing the rootfs on next update? Thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Accelerometer question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alastair Johnson wrote: I suspect the 'bouncing gsm' has a lot to do with it. I intermittently see repeated reregistrations. If the phone is near the PC speakers I can Yes if you're in suspend, the gross differences in consumption are coming out of one closed firmware or another I think you'll find: if not Calypso / GSM then WLAN. Both of these are hooked to live power during suspend. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjvNu8ACgkQOjLpvpq7dMq12ACfT52krqsbHxw+I0lHkheT9bUk WwMAnj4rnnpMNzR4axK0NFYDYCbE6LqK =GlVV -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] How to export Vcf Contacts from FR?
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 16:05, Timo Jyrinki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/10/10 Steven Goyvaerts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone know how to not only make a backup, but to export back to VCF format from Qtopia/Om2008.8? I now added a section for it at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts - the 2007.2 section has a script that handles it. I wouldn't want to actively change the addressbook if I cannot export from it to some standard format if I eg. change to FSO (or even back to 200 I could not try yet, but in qtopia addressbook (at least in Trolltech's 4.3.2 and 4.1.1), there is a menu send all to export to vcard via sms/mail/bluetooth. I do not know yet if it works ?.. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Accelerometer question
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 08:33:19AM +0100, Andy Green wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: The rate at which they feed me data only starts up when the file handle is opened, and stops when it's closed? This is the case, the interrupts are quenched when no file handles are open on them. The interrupts are quenched, but is it still draining battery life? I'm just wondering, because my 1 year old Nokia 2670 just lasted a whole week in idle on an 700mAh battery, and OpenMoko lasts only about 8/9 hours in idle with a 1200mAh battery. It is nuts, we all know that, but I'm more interested right now into extending battery life, as it is my single greatest problem with OpenMoko right now. The issue is what does idle mean. Suspend for Freerunner should last a week. Sitting there with CPU up even with backlight down is 60-90mA on battery, suspend is 5 - 10mA and that's why you get battery life reduced accordingly if you stay out of suspend. That's a kernelspace issue on the one hand (suspend is not entirely reliable) but also a userspace issue (there have been bugs negotiating entry to suspend instead of sitting there with CPU up at 400MHz and backlight down). AFAIK (which isn't that much really) this old Nokia phone does not actually suspend (or if it does it's mindbloggingly fast on recovery). 5-10 mA would mean at worse case about 5 days. That would be very much acceptable in terms of usage, but sill very low... it would last that long in suspend because it's a 1200mAh battery! :) Anyway suspend is definitly not reliable :) which I suspect in great part has to do with the blasted NDA over the graphics card documentation. Remember the White Screen of Death? Maybe OM inc guys need help with the X driver, but since it's not on their priority, suspend will hardly work reliably anytime soon... I fear :) Rui -- Keep the Lasagna flying! Today is Pungenday, the 64th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] How to export Vcf Contacts from FR?
Timo Jyrinki wrote: Does anyone know how to not only make a backup, but to export back to VCF format from Qtopia/Om2008.8? I now added a section for it at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts - the 2007.2 section has a script that handles it. I wouldn't want to actively change the addressbook if I cannot export from it to some standard format if I eg. change to FSO (or even back to 2007.2 / SHR!). You mean creating VCF's from the sqlite-data in a backup? Would be interesting to play with. I could envision a slq-script that dumps the data into a file and then a bash or python script that puts things in the proper format. That's not too difficult, if sqlite plays nice. Paul -- People who fight fire with fire usually end up with ashes. -Abigail Van Buren http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[FDOM] dialer crash
As of yesterday's updates from testing, the dialer won't start with an Enlightenment message : qcop service send Launcher execute\(QString\) dialer Any ideas ? Julien. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: car charger
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:43, David Garabana Barro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, no... I only use that script to see current charge mode: fast_charge_gta02.sh status I can assure you that Neo puts itself into 1A charge mode when plugged to tomtom car charger. I have never forced charge mode... it scares me ;) Ok, thanks... Would be interesting if by chance you could check between the ID pin and ground if you have a resistance close to 4.7Kohm ...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Accelerometer question
Thanks for all the other explanations, I'm more relieved as to accelerometer wasting energy or not :) On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 12:03:33PM +0100, Andy Green wrote: Anyway suspend is definitly not reliable :) which I suspect in great part has to do with the blasted NDA over the graphics card documentation. Remember the White Screen of Death? Yes, I vaugely recall something of the sort :-O Maybe OM inc guys need help with the X driver, but since it's not on their priority, suspend will hardly work reliably anytime soon... I fear :) Wah it's actually my priority. Despite what it seems like there is ongoing progress with it up on 2.6.27 branches. Ah that's good news! I read somewhere that X driver wasn't in the priority (I think the main subject was 3D but it said that it shouldn't happen so soon since X driver devel wasn't a priority). I'm ravishing for the results :) Rui -- Hail Eris, Hack GNU/Linux! Today is Pungenday, the 64th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko codesprint at FSCONS, 24th Oct
Hi Fredrik, thanks for the kind words, I thought I'd chip in with an article on http://www.linux-magazine.com[1]. Looking forward to seeing you and other Openmoko enthusiasts and freedom activists at FSCONS [2] ;) /mirko [1] http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/news/ openmoko_invitation_to_codesprint [2] http://www.fscons.org Hi freedom lovers, The organizers of this year's FSCONS[0], hosted in Gothenburg Sweden, earlier this week announced[1] that it will host an OpenMoko code sprint. The details posted[2] says that the goal of the sprint is to work on an application called voj (see the site for details) but also to just shed light on the project and answer questions for any of those not familiar to the OpenMoko project. I'm one of those that will be at the site and try to get as many as possible to throw their Nokias, SE:s and Motorolas out the window and instead decide they choose freedom and OpenMoko over ... some bad words regarding their current locked in phones. :) I'm glad this takes place in my hometown and I urge anyone that has the possibility to take part to either visit the conference which I feel is truly one a kind, or by joining the mailing list at http://mail.fscons.org/mailman/listinfo or jump in on irc://irc.freenode.net/fscons and say hi. Hopefully we'll get the media present interested enough to run a story on how open source collaboration can look like (Agile, very close to it's users and leveraging functionality actually requested by real users and not some developer apartment). Apologies if you consider this being spam. I hope to see you at the conference! / Fredrik Wendt [0] http://fscons.org/ October 24th - 26th @ IT University Gothenburg [1] http://fscons.org/2008/10/07/openmoko-code-sprint/ [2] http://fscons.org/openmoko-codesprint/ PS. Briefly on FSCONS: As three of the biggest names in community organisations, Free Software Foundation Europe, Creative Commons and Wikimedia Sverige are joining forces under the banner of Free Society at this years FSCONS. With the help of many different organisations like Debian GNU/linux, KDE, Postgres, OpenStreetMap, Midgard, CCMixter, Magnatune and the Icelandic Fab Labs, FSCONS will be a truly unique experience. DS ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtextended] After 4 days...
On Thursday 09 October 2008 18:02:57 Cédric Berger wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 17:48, Russell Hay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found it lasted around three hours (moderate usage) BUT I did have Bluetooth and wifi turned on. Will try again tomorrow! Disappointed that it doesn't wake up from suspend on an incoming call - but we can't have everything, can we? Wake up on call /sms works pretty well for me. It doesn't work for me too. Every call received with phone suspended is a missed call. Mi SIM is VERY antique (december 1999). Might be this the problem? Shoud I try to get a duplicate or is a good thing to have it for testing openmoko with such an old hardware? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] How to export Vcf Contacts from FR?
Hi, I found this on the wiki. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pre-Flash_Backup Pre-Flash Backup Greetings, Steven -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Om2008.9--How-to-export-Vcf-Contacts-from-FR--tp1315905p1316029.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: LED notification
2008/10/9 Jason Cawood [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What I think I didn't communicate very well is: 1. phone is in suspend mode. 2. GSM wakes phone for sms notification 3. screen blanks after timeout 4. LED blinks while phone is not in suspend. Would that be a possible solution? I think I understand what you mean, but the question is: would that be very useful? - If the user sees their phone when it wakes up, they won't need to see a blinking LED too. - If the user does not see their phone when it wakes up, it is unlikely (I would guess) that they will return to it in the interval before it suspends again. I don't know what the current default is for the interval before the phone suspends again, but I imagine one would want it to be quite short, so as not to allow incoming calls and texts to consume a lot of battery. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Accelerometer question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 08:33:19AM +0100, Andy Green wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: The rate at which they feed me data only starts up when the file handle is opened, and stops when it's closed? This is the case, the interrupts are quenched when no file handles are open on them. The interrupts are quenched, but is it still draining battery life? Not in any significant way. What does that damage is CPU reacting to 200 interrupts and input subsystem events a second, when there are no handles open on the accel, it gets put to a static low power mode which draws almost nothing. In suspend, we even pull its power rail. I'm just wondering, because my 1 year old Nokia 2670 just lasted a whole week in idle on an 700mAh battery, and OpenMoko lasts only about 8/9 hours in idle with a 1200mAh battery. It is nuts, we all know that, but I'm more interested right now into extending battery life, as it is my single greatest problem with OpenMoko right now. The issue is what does idle mean. Suspend for Freerunner should last a week. Sitting there with CPU up even with backlight down is 60-90mA on battery, suspend is 5 - 10mA and that's why you get battery life reduced accordingly if you stay out of suspend. That's a kernelspace issue on the one hand (suspend is not entirely reliable) but also a userspace issue (there have been bugs negotiating entry to suspend instead of sitting there with CPU up at 400MHz and backlight down). AFAIK (which isn't that much really) this old Nokia phone does not actually suspend (or if it does it's mindbloggingly fast on recovery). 5-10 mA would mean at worse case about 5 days. That would be very much acceptable in terms of usage, but sill very low... it would last that long in suspend because it's a 1200mAh battery! :) Most of that is going on the GSM side, we eat ~1mA for the board itself. That's not great, but to put it in context the DRAMs eat 500uA of it. Literally what the calypso is doing with the rest of it is out of our hands. Anyway suspend is definitly not reliable :) which I suspect in great part has to do with the blasted NDA over the graphics card documentation. Remember the White Screen of Death? Yes, I vaugely recall something of the sort :-O Maybe OM inc guys need help with the X driver, but since it's not on their priority, suspend will hardly work reliably anytime soon... I fear :) Wah it's actually my priority. Despite what it seems like there is ongoing progress with it up on 2.6.27 branches. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjvNoQACgkQOjLpvpq7dMoO0gCfWDjYNuCgcg1BXLer7tbQx7WT 2LYAn1xlmAIdnFcZduSOdx+NeOEg0bi9 =M8Gm -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[OM2008.9][GTA02] a simple and quick GPS logger v0.1
I wanted something simple, reliable, and fast to load and stop.
So I cooked up a couple of shell scripts and desktop shortcuts to
allow me to just press a button and get the Neo to log the GPS track
on a file.
The scripts take care of turning on the GPS receiver, avoiding
suspension during logging, and putting the data in the right place.
Enjoy, cut up, mash up, and otherwise use at will. :)
Requirements: gpspipe (opkg install gps-utils)
*** Desktop file to turn on (/usr/share/applications/GpsLogOn.desktop):
[Desktop Entry]
Name=LogGps:1
Comment=Start GPS logging
Encoding=UTF-8
Version=1.0
Type=Application
Exec=/home/root/myScripts/log_gps_track.sh
Icon=fixme
Terminal=true
SingleInstance=true
StartupNotify=false
*** Turn-on script (~myScripts/log_gps_track.sh):
#!/bin/sh
. $HOME/myScripts/om_suspend_functions.sh
dir=$HOME/myData/Gps
name=`date +Log_%y%m%d_%H%M%S.nmea`
gps_power=/sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron
# wake up GPS hardware:
echo 1 $gps_power
# tell ompower to keep from suspending while logging:
request_power_state $name keep_on
# automatically allow suspending after exit (no need for switching off
GPS, suspend does that):
cleanup() { echo Stopped logging!; sync; request_power_state $name
may_off; exit 0; }
trap cleanup KILL
trap cleanup INT
trap cleanup EXIT
# start logging to file:
echo Logging into $name
gpspipe -r $dir/$name
# end.
*** Helper function library for power management
(~myScripts/om_suspend_functions.sh):
#!/bin/sh
request_power_state() {
requester=$1
state=$2
if [ $state == keep_on ]; then
echo $requester is preventing OM from sleeping.
dbus-send --system --dest=org.openmoko.Power /
org.openmoko.Power.Core.RequestResourceState string:cpu
string:$requester string:on
elif [ $state == may_off ]; then
echo $requester is allowing OM to sleep.
dbus-send --system --dest=org.openmoko.Power /
org.openmoko.Power.Core.RemoveRequestedResourceState string:cpu
string:$requester
elif [ $state == go_off ]; then
echo $requester is forcing OM to sleep.
dbus-send --system --dest=org.openmoko.Power /
org.openmoko.Power.Core.RequestResourceState string:cpu
string:$requester string:off
else
echo Unknown power state requested ('$name', '$state'). Pick
'keep_on', 'may_off', or 'go_off'.
fi
}
*** Desktop file to turn off:
[Desktop Entry]
Name=LogGps:0
Comment=Stop GPS logging
Encoding=UTF-8
Version=1.0
Type=Application
Exec=killall gpspipe
Icon=fixme
Terminal=true
SingleInstance=true
StartupNotify=false
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Re: car charger
David Garabana Barro wrote: On Friday 10 October 2008 12:50:57 Cédric Berger wrote: Ok, thanks... Would be interesting if by chance you could check between the ID pin and ground if you have a resistance close to 4.7Kohm ...? I will look at it, and post the results. Anxiously awaiting your measurements. If there is no 4.7K resistor, I'd move this discussion to the kernel list. We should not be charging at 1A if we do not see this resistor. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[FSO] latest upgrade disabled my phone
Hi Today, opkg upgrade behaved wildly from the very beginning. After issuing the command the first time, the screen went blank (major downloading had taken place, ut I was not paying attention to it); I thought it maybe stalled so I did opkg upgrade once more - it upgraded fso-gpsd among other things. I hoped that I'd receive a new batch of fixes (notably for gps which couldn't get a fix after previous upgrade), but the result is a bit different. I didn't have a chance to check it out, because the device locked all the doors and windows from me - leaving me with zhone, Illume taskbar and the Home application with no icons. I can't open a terminal (no icons), I can't log in through SSH (usb0 doesn't show up on the desktops as it previously did). What other trick should I try to be able to fix it? I don't really want to flash the device again... Cheers rhn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Accelerometer question [preliminary report]
Andy Green wrote: The issue is what does idle mean. Suspend for Freerunner should last a week. Sitting there with CPU up even with backlight down is 60-90mA on battery, suspend is 5 - 10mA and that's why you get battery life reduced accordingly if you stay out of suspend. That's a kernelspace issue on the one hand (suspend is not entirely reliable) but also a userspace issue (there have been bugs negotiating entry to suspend instead of sitting there with CPU up at 400MHz and backlight down). Since suspend/resume works again i did a little test how much power my neo uses when in suspend. :) The starting situation was that i used debian with [1] as kernel and had wlan+gsm activated and only zhone and openmoko-panel-plugin running. Than i plug off the power cradle at 100% battery level, suspended my neo and let it sleep for 6 hours. After i woke ip up it only had 24% battery left. This means ~3/4 of the 1200mAh accu drained. 900mAh in 6 hours means that it used 150mA in average all the time while in suspend. This is really bad because it only needs ~100mA when idle and backlight is off. I don't know what draws so much power that the average usage is higher than in active idle mode. It's nice that suspend/resume works but this little test shows that there are still some issues left. :/ Ciao, Rainer [1] testing-om-gta02-20081008.uImage.bin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: LED notification
2008/10/9 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robert Norton wrote: 2008/10/9 Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: the main cpu is suspended, like in the neo, but the power management unit is not I'm sure I recently read a datasheet for a PMU which supported various flash patterns for LEDs even during suspend. Unfortunately I can't Not really a PMU but an i2c device for just doing that. We might be using one or another in future products To me, having the phone able to perform basic notification functions (LED blink, vibrate, make a sound) on certain events, even when the phone is on standby, seems like a very desirable - not to say obvious - feature. I was right on the verge of buying a FreeRunner when I read the message above, but think I may hold off for now, as it looks like that sort of functionality isn't something a firmware upgrade would enable. Is my understanding correct? If so, am I also right in thinking that retrofitting the hardware capability to do this would be *really* hard without serious SMT-soldering/PCB-fabrication tools and a big investment of time? Many thanks in advance for your help, Sam ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[OM2008] Documentation for .kbd-files?
Hi there! Is there any documentation available that describes the format of the .kbd-files the Illume-Keyboard uses? I'd like to build a german qwertz-layout (comes in handy for writing SMS ;) ), but don't quite understand the format of the corresponding keyboard config files. Regards, Konstantin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Lost Openmoko Community
On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 09:00:05AM -0700, Hire wrote: For me the solution is simple: improve fso, paroli, tichy and say goodbye qtopia. With my FOSS developer's hat on instead of OM employee's, I agree with what you said here. Our resource is very limited so it's better to focus on the same thing. The actual stack, om2008.* sux. I find it absolutely not functional. Om2008.* is actully working as my daily phone now, so for me it's okay. Instead, it will be cool to see SHR on freerunner because merged the power of new framework with the old stack ( 2007.4 ) that seems to be almost stable. Regards, John ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: car charger
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:22:39 +0200, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you tell to me how do you find out the charge rate? Thank you Michele Renda One easy way: cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/chgmode j Joel Newkirk wrote: Just wanted to post that I received http://www.cross-mark.com/charger-adapter-black-1000mah-p-962.html in the mail today. The FreeRunner automatically kicks into 1000ma charge mode. :) Best $3.00 (delivered) I've spent in a while. j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Fun using power button LEDs as battery indicator
Some of you probably knew this, but I just found out that the Freerunner actually has a couple LEDs under the power button, but they don't seem to be used yet in 2008.9 stable. So, I thought it would be helpful to use them as an external battery power indicator. If you are like me, I let my phone screen go black after 60 seconds and go to suspend by button press only, so this is also helpful to tell if the Freerunner is in suspend or powered on with the screen off. Power button blue for high battery, purple for medium, and orange for low. Perl script and simple instructions: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner/Buttons_and_LEDs#Led_Power_Status_Perl_Script By the way, suspend mode and the phone itself are working great for me after figuring out that pulseaudio was causing major problems. Don't install the mediaplayer, and if you did... get rid of pulseaudio and the phone starts working pretty good. -Nick _ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: car charger
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:05:09 -0700, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Garabana Barro wrote: On Friday 10 October 2008 12:50:57 Cédric Berger wrote: Ok, thanks... Would be interesting if by chance you could check between the ID pin and ground if you have a resistance close to 4.7Kohm ...? I will look at it, and post the results. Anxiously awaiting your measurements. If there is no 4.7K resistor, I'd move this discussion to the kernel list. We should not be charging at 1A if we do not see this resistor. The cig lighter adapter I got is just a USB port, (the ID pin doesn't exist there) just jack in the USB-MiniUSB cable. I get the same readings below on AC, on PC, and on DC. If I force charging to 500mA or 100mA then they reflect that. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/chgmode fast [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/charger_type charger 1A mode 1A Regarding kernel, I'm running Raster's image plus frameworkd+zhone. (from FSO unstable) uname -a tells me Linux iota.newkirk.us 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Fri Sep 26 14:13:25 EST 2008 armv4tl unknown. If the kernel handles this normally, what kernel module? (or is it inbuilt) 'lsmod' shows me ohci_hcd and hci_usb, nothing else USB-related. Also, lsusb is always blank output, even when I've got a thumbdrive mounted and can see sda in /proc/partitions. (Raster's image is stripped down to the bare minimum for testing, I've tried to install all the significant support packages [from FSO unstable feeds] but something missed might explain empty lsusb, empty /proc/bus/usb, and always charging 1000mA...) Questions: If forced to 1000mA with echo '1000' /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/force_usb_limit_dangerous it will revert on reboot, right? (I'd rebooted a few times since playing with my 'ggg' usb control script, and I can't imagine it surviving full powerdown, but...) What about when power is simply removed and restored? If not, then what settings can be made (via sysfs or dbus) to restore it to automatic? j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fun using power button LEDs as battery indicator
I have written other script for that LEDs some time ago, it's called ledd and it's indicating charging state and transferring data over wifi. http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/ledd On polish wiki (http://openmoko.opendevice.org/wiki/) you can find other interesting stuff. On 10/10/08, Nick Van Fossen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of you probably knew this, but I just found out that the Freerunner actually has a couple LEDs under the power button, but they don't seem to be used yet in 2008.9 stable. So, I thought it would be helpful to use them as an external battery power indicator. If you are like me, I let my phone screen go black after 60 seconds and go to suspend by button press only, so this is also helpful to tell if the Freerunner is in suspend or powered on with the screen off. Power button blue for high battery, purple for medium, and orange for low. Perl script and simple instructions: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner/Buttons_and_LEDs#Led_Power_Status_Perl_Script By the way, suspend mode and the phone itself are working great for me after figuring out that pulseaudio was causing major problems. Don't install the mediaplayer, and if you did... get rid of pulseaudio and the phone starts working pretty good. -Nick _ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Qemu question
Got an odd one. When updating with 'make qemu' (mokomakefile) I see it skipping four bad blocks. What constitutes a 'bad block' when it's just flashing to a file on the host?? j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
1/3: Openmoko community feelings
Hi! It's great to see all the discussion (see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-October/thread.html#32465) on the list about the community. I've not had time to comment on the posts earlier so I now wrote three blog posts to keep up the discussion. You can read the full text of the first post (I'll release the rest two in the following days) at http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/discussion-13-openmoko-community-feelings/. Here are some key points of the first post: # for full text, see http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/discussion-13-openmoko-community-feelings/ My previous post about the status of the Openmoko community raised some good discussion about the Openmoko community and development. I haven't been able to reply earlier so I'll try to write here some of my thoughts to clarify the original post and present you some of the comments by others. The discussion is in three parts to make it easier to read. This first post discusses the status of the community. The second post is the 'wishlist' from some community members to Openmoko and the third will discuss one of the possible solutions to improve communication. It looks like that most of others who replied share my thoughts. The comments without the e-mail addresses are from community mailing list, the rest from the comments of my previous post. Remember, these are only parts from the messages so please check the original posts for more details! --comments by other authors removed, see http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/discussion-13-openmoko-community-feelings/ -- It looks like that there some are not that satisfied with the current situation. Some bought the phone thinking they get a phone suitable for everyday usage. Too bad - I agree that some more information about the status of the software would be good to have on the sites selling Freerunner. My biggest concern is not that none of the distros we have works great, I still have my old phone around. What makes me feel uncomfortable is feeling uninformed about the status and development as well as having this feeling of uselessness but that might change when I upgrade to a supported distro and hopefully will be able to report some bugs. --comments by other authors removed, see http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/discussion-13-openmoko-community-feelings/ -- I have to agree with the authors here: Openmoko has done a great job creating two models of a free, linux-capable GSM phone with great innovative hardware in less than two years, making it more or less profitable: At the current volumes and the current cost of operations we are where we need to be (source). I must admit that the weekly engineering news was something I didn't know about earlier (thanks sadsammy and Minh!) and I'm very pleased to see this released. Could someone post these to Planet and community mailing lists? So some feel that there's a lack of information, some are bored with many incomplete distros as others hail Openmoko for their achievements. Obviously Openmoko has done something great but there's still something to do better with the community. Next post will discuss the wishes from the community to Openmoko. # for full text, see http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/discussion-13-openmoko-community-feelings/ r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 1/3: Openmoko community feelings
The most important piece of information for me was down there are the bottom. Weekly Engineering News: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Weekly_Engineering_News -Charles Pax ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.6.26 kernel testing?
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 06:11:12PM +1300, Glen Ogilvie wrote: Does anyone have some pre-built 2.6.26 kernels that could be tested? I am wondering if I should compile something from the git kernel tree. I don't care if wifi does not work, but need something that will suspend and resume. Been using: uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin but still get WSOD on resume. Also, doesn't 2.6.26 incorporate the tickless Linux patches? Won't that help with resoure usage? I figure they're not for arm arch. They've been added firstly to x86 then to 64bit if I'm not remembering wrong. Btw Andy got a 2.6.26 image loading, but it's still alpha (see kernel ML). -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NetworkManager port
Michele Renda wrote: There is already Network manager available on Debian @ Armel4. It is running, but seem to be it doesn't recognize the Wifi card of FR. What would you use as a Network manager in Debian? Months ago I got wicd working in Om2008, but it wasn't so good for the finger usability (and quite slow in some tasks), but maybe it would be better in debian! I've to give it a try! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2008] Documentation for .kbd-files?
Konstantin wrote: Is there any documentation available that describes the format of the .kbd-files the Illume-Keyboard uses? I'd like to build a german qwertz-layout (comes in handy for writing SMS ;) ), but don't quite understand the format of the corresponding keyboard config files. AFAIK there's no docs about it, but it's quite easy... I suggest you starting editing the Default keyboard and as you can see there each key has a position (key x y) and the role of the key itself (normal, shift capslock). So for example a code like: key 5 0 10 10 normal q q shiftQ Q capslock 1 1 will put a key in the position (5,0) and that key will show a q in normal mode, a Q in shift mode and a 1 in capslock mode. Then while both using the normal and shift mode the char written will be checked with the dictionary, in the capslock mode the char will be directly prompted in the text field. In fact you've to use something like this: key $x-pos $y-pos 10 10 mode $char-to-be-shown-in-the-key $char-xcode-to-be-written mode $char-to-be-shown-in-the-key $char-to-be-checked-with-dict Btw I don't know what the 10 and 10 means (maybe the key size? But this seems strange since in the terminal keyboard they're set to 30 30) I've to ask this to Rasterman! I hope I've been enough clear... :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fun using power button LEDs as battery indicator
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have written other script for that LEDs some time ago, it's called ledd and it's indicating charging state and transferring data over wifi. http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/ledd Look also at openmoko-led [1]; it was the first led implementation, it's written in C and uses few resources for getting your phone a little more colored :P [1] http://www.smurfy.de/files/neo/openmoko-led-v1.tar.gz -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NetworkManager port
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 wicd on debian is functional but for me it eats up to much mem and often cpu .. since i found no mem-savy alternative i got back to manually ifup/ down wifi .. ciao, morlac Am 11.10.2008 um 03:48 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño): Michele Renda wrote: There is already Network manager available on Debian @ Armel4. It is running, but seem to be it doesn't recognize the Wifi card of FR. What would you use as a Network manager in Debian? Months ago I got wicd working in Om2008, but it wasn't so good for the finger usability (and quite slow in some tasks), but maybe it would be better in debian! I've to give it a try! - -BEGIN CONTACT BLOCK- eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - --END CONTACT BLOCK-- - -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCS$/IT;d-;s:;a?;C++(+++);UL;P++(+++); L++(+++);E---;W++;N(+);o?;K?;!w;!O;!M+;!V;PS(+);PE; Y+;PGP++;t+(++);5(+)++;X(+);R*;tv-+;b++(+++);DI++; D++(+++);G(+)++;e;h-()++;r++;y++; - --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iD8DBQFI8BcWr81gVylJyzERAr3uAJ4uk6Kf+83LhFkKLQTgeN/CxvrDOQCcDC7X LhImrpX822p70uAy2vwTW8E= =cGt3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NetworkManager port
Hi there, I use wifi-radar under debian, works fine for me, if I don't click too fast. /peter GTalk:neubauer.peter Skypepeter.neubauer ICQ18762544 Phone +46704 106975 LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/neubauer Twitter http://twitter.com/peterneubauer http://www.neo4j.org - New Energy for Data - the Graph Database. http://www.ops4j.org - New Energy for OSS Communities - Open Participation Software. http://www.qi4j.org- New Energy for Java - Domain Driven Development. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 5:01 AM, Christian Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 wicd on debian is functional but for me it eats up to much mem and often cpu .. since i found no mem-savy alternative i got back to manually ifup/ down wifi .. ciao, morlac Am 11.10.2008 um 03:48 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño): Michele Renda wrote: There is already Network manager available on Debian @ Armel4. It is running, but seem to be it doesn't recognize the Wifi card of FR. What would you use as a Network manager in Debian? Months ago I got wicd working in Om2008, but it wasn't so good for the finger usability (and quite slow in some tasks), but maybe it would be better in debian! I've to give it a try! - -BEGIN CONTACT BLOCK- eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - --END CONTACT BLOCK-- - -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCS$/IT;d-;s:;a?;C++(+++);UL;P++(+++); L++(+++);E---;W++;N(+);o?;K?;!w;!O;!M+;!V;PS(+);PE; Y+;PGP++;t+(++);5(+)++;X(+);R*;tv-+;b++(+++);DI++; D++(+++);G(+)++;e;h-()++;r++;y++; - --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iD8DBQFI8BcWr81gVylJyzERAr3uAJ4uk6Kf+83LhFkKLQTgeN/CxvrDOQCcDC7X LhImrpX822p70uAy2vwTW8E= =cGt3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
What should a community manager do?
Steve Mosher said: Sean asked me what I thought of having a community manager. ... I have my ideas about what a community manager would do to organize and mobilize, But before I put those ideas down, I'd like to throw it open to the community. Question: what functions do you see a community manager performing. I'll answer this from the point of view of a development community manager. I think you already have a fine end-user community manager in Michael Shiloh. A development community manager must have the number one priority of embracing all the disparate developers working on the Openmoko platform, and being responsible for bringing them into the fold: a) Make sure that they are all at least subscribed to the one developer mailing list, and that that list is forcible kept pure from end-user support issues (there are already lists for that). Yes, this means contacting developers individually, and personally (in private) requesting that they join the developer mailing list, and it also means telling people who abuse that developer mailing list for end-user support or chit-chat to go use the correct mailing list (politely, but in public, so others learn). Also make sure the community manager hangs out on the official development IRC channel for real-time interactions. b) Maintain a single build system and set of repositories which makes it easier for all those disparate developers to use the Openmoko developer resources instead of setting up their own elsewhere. Make the barrier to entry very low (if you can write either the code or the manual page or the build system or the gui for hello, world for the openmoko, then you're qualified to have access to the SVN or Git repository). Trust that developers will not abuse the repository, instead of forcibly locking them out (Wolfgang told the Openmoko admins to give me svn and git access on the 22 Sept, and nothing has happened yet). c) Manage those developer resources (mailing list, repositories, wiki) like they are your crown jewels. Never let an external developer be inconvenienced because some mailing list is sending duplicate messages, or some repository system is not allowing anonymous svn checkouts, or some autobuilder is not producing daily kernel packages. d) Show your external developers the appreciation they deserve. When a developer produces a kernel patch which solves a GSM problem, don't argue with him in public and make him feel that his work is not appreciated. Remember these developers are working for you for free. Embrace what they produce, and *make* *sure* that it makes its way into the official distribution. If a developer creates their own downloads area for kernels with their patches in them, then the development community manager has failed in their job. e) Focus the developers on the critical development needs. Do this by continuously reminding the developers of the most critical areas, and encouraging them to submit solutions to these problems. Treat those solutions with utmost respect, never make an external developer feel that they need to jump through more hoops than your employees to get something into the official distribution. f) Treat all the disparate development efforts as part of one whole. If you see duplication of effort, talk to those people in private and nudge them towards joining efforts together in a single development repository in which they both work, instead of forcing them each to work in their own disparate development repositories in all corners of the internet. Continually encourage consolidation of the lowest levels of development and structure your repositories and development processes to allow multiple people to work on those areas in parallel. There should never be any areas where there is a single person (especially an openmoko employee) who feels that they and they alone are allowed to touch that code. g) *Never* cause a developer's work to be wasted. All those developers who fixed bugs in 2007.2, then 2007.11, then 2008.x, then qtopia, the FSO - every time that their work is somehow excluded by a decision made in private you loose the enthusiasm and drive that makes the difference between a herd of cats and an army of developers. Keep the developers aware of the long-term strategy of where you're heading. Don't surprise them with something that happened in private. h) Structure your software architecture for consolidation and stability at the lowest levels, and multiple co-existing choices at the highest levels. For goodness sake, have a *single* kernel that everyone contributes to and uses. Make sure that changes in that kernel *never* break userspace without the person proposing the breakage going out and proactively working with the userspace people to migrate before the change is forced upon them by surprise. Make sure that all the different choices at the higher levels are all built from the same source base, in the same set of repositories, and all use the same
Re: [FSO] latest upgrade disabled my phone
Dear Rhn, I don't know what's wrong, but let me suggest that you do not unconditionally opkg update opkg update when you're on an unstable distribution. In contrast to Debian, where millions of eyes are looking, an Openmoko unstable distribution is _really_ unstable. I suggest individually updating packages if you think there's interesting fixes for you. Sorry I can't be of more help. Mickey. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
