Re: [OM2008.8 - testing] - no desktop icons any more.
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 01:33:09PM -0400, Daniel Benoy wrote: On Tuesday 21 October 2008 12:33:04 you wrote: hi, is someone on the testing tree of the 2008.8 distro, and solved the icon problem yet? My last comments in #2071, but not the same bug it seems. i upgraded to the latest testing 2008.8 packages. I know that there is a problem with the splash screen at boot up, that isn't solved yet. so i disabled the boot screen (btw: that saves 10 seconds boot time) But now i don't have any desktop icons. I'm in the same boat as you there. Can anyone even shed any light on what the cause of this is? I don't mind a little debugging but it's a bit over my head I don't even know where to start. Also, is active development (or building from git or whatever) happening in the 'testing' instead of 'unstable' ? If that's the case then I misunderstood the purposes of the feeds and should have went with stable. active development happening in unstable. This illume issue should not be there in the first place. also the clock-, battery- and signal-panel is at one place now. i restored the old ~/.e directory but that didn't changed anything. I fixed this by removing and reinstalling illume-theme-asu, and then installing illume-theme-illume (I believe this is also necessary in order to get the illume keyboard I like, but it also fixed the problem with all those little icons being squished into the same place and tiny.) - John ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: [Debian] installer script
Try removing both partitions from your SD card (fdisk then 'd' both partitions) and then running the installer again. When I ran the installer script for the first time (this was a while ago: a day or two after the installer script was published), with an SD card that was already partitioned with Debian (pre-install script version) on it, the partition step failed. I manually set up the partitions and ran the rest of the install steps individually. For later install attempts, I always deleted all the partitions from the SD card before running the installer. You could also try looking closer at the output of the script, to see what errors occurred. (I ran the installer from an ssh session, so I could use my terminal window's scrollback buffer, copy and paste, etc.) Also, you could try partitioning the card yourself (find the instructions in the wiki) and then continue on from there. --- Andrew Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Matthew Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I have not tried the 512mb card (it's at home and I'm at college). I'm not sure how to do what you're talking about arne, but you're suggesting that I can install a base system and put Debian on that? Can you point me in the correct direction? Also, my 8gb uSDHC card works: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 Disk /dev/mmcblk0: 8168 MB, 8168931328 bytes 4 heads, 16 sectors/track, 249296 cylinders Units = cylinders of 64 * 512 = 32768 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/mmcblk0p1 1 2457832 4 FAT16 32M /dev/mmcblk0p2 246 249296 7969632 83 Linux Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: div class=moz-text-flowed style=font-family: -moz-fixedMatthew Lane wrote: Hey all, I'm trying to install Debian on the freerunner using the install.sh script. I keep getting stuck at Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table. and then my script exits. I've tried individually installing, but after the install step the script fails to install. I've added a u-boot environment boot option to lower the clock to 10,000,000 as instructed on the bug report here: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743 After booting with this option, without going into suspend, and after killing qpe: DASH_BINSH=false SD_PART1_FS=vfat ./install.sh all The script terminates after the partition stage. I'm using a SanDisk 8GB uSDHC card. I'm using the latest GTA02v5_and_up NAND u-boot. I think I remember seeing some more instructions, but I can't seem to find them anywhere. Anyone have an idea of how to proceed from here? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Have you tried on the 512MB that the majority of FreeRunner's ship with? /div ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2008.8 - testing] - no desktop icons any more.
thanks for the tip. but it's not the problem that they are not configured any more. All the desktop files are there. But they don't show up on the screen. I crashed the hole enlightment once. and enlightment gaves me a standard config. so i had a normal standard desktop on the freerunner. (was funny, but the keyboard just didn't work right anymore) and there the icons where all in the menue at the places where they belong. @Daniel: It didn't work by me. ... but it's not the high priority task. to see my applications again is more important. i thought of the groups like that: - unstable : just compiling every day the latest git trees. (no mater what's happening in there) testing : managed tree. where a human person puts in things that he tested as functional version. (to see if it is realy functional) stable : really tested tree. - but there seems to be no person who is responsible for the testing tree. Because that person would have taken back the changes that really kills that tree. or would have taken down the hole tree @openmoko: how is it possible that there is a tree still online after 6 days that is known for killing the phone? (i mean it's a no boot possible anymore bug and not a sudoku didn't work anymore bug ;) ) ... ... i think i will test the unstable feed now ... maybe there are some issue solved yet ... and maybe there is the new kernel with faster nand read :) i'll give you a hint if it changed something. Beni nickd schrieb: Icons are also kept in /usr/share/applications so mount a jffs image on loopback and copy them across. The only thing I can suggest for the illume problem (clock,battery,signal widgets) is that you run illume config and disable and enable them until it looks right... -Nick Benedikt Schindler wrote: hi, is someone on the testing tree of the 2008.8 distro, and solved the icon problem yet? i upgraded to the latest testing 2008.8 packages. I know that there is a problem with the splash screen at boot up, that isn't solved yet. so i disabled the boot screen (btw: that saves 10 seconds boot time) But now i don't have any desktop icons. also the clock-, battery- and signal-panel is at one place now. i restored the old ~/.e directory but that didn't changed anything. some ideas? thx beni ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: One more rotate version
Do you know http://www.assembla.com/ ? they provide for free trac, subversion, and team managing facilities. And they don't are affiliated with big brother ... 2008/10/22 Sarton O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tuesday 21 October 2008 18:47:58 DJDAS wrote: Sarton O'Brien ha scritto: Speaking of formatting ... I imagine there's a reply in there somewhere :P On Tuesday 21 October 2008 01:31:21 DJDAS wrote: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN html head /head .. /body /html Sorry :P Sent in HTML. I simply suggested a man indent ;) Bye! Hehe, I know, I was just ribbin ya ;) Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 23:21, Jim Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was on IRC and someone said they had already ported the kernel, and was working on a forum, just FYI. We should all coordinate so there are not 10 different porting efforts :) Also see thread on kernel list where Sean McNeil has already worked one it : http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1361683 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Cédric Berger wrote: Here we are http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html time to port to Neo ! ;-) patches are on their way according to this: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-October/005966.html Hooray to the FLOSS. Kind regards, -- Lech Karol Pawłaszek ike You will never see me fall from grace [KoRn] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2008.8 - testing] - no desktop icons any more.
Benedikt Schindler schrieb: [...] i think i will test the unstable feed now ... maybe there are some issue solved yet ... and maybe there is the new kernel with faster nand read :) i'll give you a hint if it changed something. Beni [...] no change for the icons. but the new kernel is booting much faster. it's a speed up of 30 seconds at the normal boot. and 20 seconds by the Xserver. (but that's maybe because of the not existing icons ;) or my clock is going wrong or i'm still drunk from yesterday :) ) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
According to http://koolu.com/ Koolu Beta port of Android for Freerunner will be available to download for existing Freerunner owners and installed on phones for sale in November 2008. And they have been working at it for months. -- Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dillo security question
El día Tuesday, October 21, 2008 a las 10:35:23PM -0400, Yaroslav Halchenko escribió: Who is the author of this port of dillo to arm4? There is no reference and the only available download site is http://misc.andi.de1.cc/dillo/ that page is pointed to from the original dillo's website http://www.dillo.org/download.html thus it might be worth asking dillo's author(s)? .dsc file lists Maintainer: Devid Filoni [EMAIL PROTECTED] so it might be the same person who did ipk? So what? Who did this port and is it safe to install this on the FR? I'm asking because I think it would be easy to write some maleware which let your FR dial every second some expensive service number or send out SMS as SPAM. Don't get me wrong, I'm only speaking about the possibility and that we should know *what* we install on our FR. I'm wrong? nope possibility of malware on FR exists, but they will have hard time to do anything 'useful' due to the variety of ports and inconsistent interfaces :-P For those needing security assurance I would recommend to stick to Debian In my original posting I have put Jorge Arellano Cid, the primary and security contact developer of Dillo.org into Cc: (and I do it now again); Jorge replied to me (thanks) in private mail that he knows who did the package of the dillo team and that he will contact the developer to let him 'sign' somehow this binary package; for reasons of netiquette I will not put his name into this e-mail but Bcc:'ed him in this e-mail; we must await his reaction; thanks in advance; matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Building Angstrom distro for non-gta architecture
Hi folks, I want to build the angstrom distribution or the FSU for ARM VersatilePB. I need to know what I can do to the mokoMakefile so that I can get it working. If tthis is not possible than what else should I do to handle the build with OE? -- Shaz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone interested in mentoring?
Dear wanabee mentored, Mentoring might be the wrong term as it implies some obligation from the person assisting. If you were contributing code then I'm sure someone might consider it. Project managers already trust _you_ explicitely to go forward and commit the changes you think are good: anybody can edit wiki pages, open tickets and float patches around. But you don't trust yourself. Good judgement comes with experience, and you say you don't have much. So you want someone to review your changes before you commit them. Start with small fixes that are very obvious to you and you can explain well. If you are unsure, just post your opinion or your changes to the mailing lists. If you are even less confident, use your own blog (just don't expect anybody else to see it if it is not advertised on the planet !). Did you find a local user group in your area ? Ever since mankind discovered fermentation (thousands of years ago), sharing beer has been the #1 way to join a social group. Being polite and nice is mostly optional in the open source world.The currency is actual contributions. So you do something first, and someone will look it over. Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 07:43:00PM -0600, Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: people who I do not have their number memorized and it is almost impossible to text via finger on 200x.x. I would love to see a good keyboard, reliable SMS and phone calls, at that point I'll be more than satisfied with my investment, right now I'm happy but feel that things have a long way to go. After understanding the predictiveness and creating a portuguese dictionary, I haven't ever written an SMS *ever*since* with a stylus, just the finger... Rui -- Hail Eris, Hack GNU/Linux! Today is Setting Orange, the 3rd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] installer script
No, I have not tried the 512mb card (it's at home and I'm at college). I'm not sure how to do what you're talking about arne, but you're suggesting that I can install a base system and put Debian on that? Can you point me in the correct direction? He was saying if you had your 512 to install debian on the 512 and the copy the data from that to your 8gb card exactly. the included 512mb card works -- if the installer still chokes there's something else wrong. after several failures with a 4g card i installed to the 512mb with the installer (it might be a good idea to take one step at time -- i nearly run out of space and had to clean /var/cache/apt/archives/ between two steps). then i mounted the 512mb in my pc, checked the partition values (size, type), copied the content of the first one (kernel and a text file whose purpose i do not yet grasp) and created from the second one a tar-ball (some weeks ago there was a discussion how to migrate data that way, the archive should show the different approaches -- tar, cp, rsync -- and their parameters). next step was to partition the bigger card: 8mb fat for the kernel, the rest ext2 for the system itself. copied the kernel+text file to the 8mb fat. unpacked the tar ball into the second. insert the card, start via aux+pwr and chose the second option (fat+ext2) ... and off you go. i tried it first w/ a 4g card but w/o luck (did not boot) and then w/ 1g which works. as far as i understand there's a sandisk 8g sdhc ultra II that works out of the box, ie no extra boot params, and survives suspend/resume. i am about to order one and see, if it is true. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 07:43:00PM -0600, Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: people who I do not have their number memorized and it is almost impossible to text via finger on 200x.x. I would love to see a good keyboard, reliable SMS and phone calls, at that point I'll be more than satisfied with my investment, right now I'm happy but feel that things have a long way to go. After understanding the predictiveness and creating a portuguese dictionary, I haven't ever written an SMS *ever*since* with a stylus, just the finger... Rui I understand the predictive keyboard and have it mastered with a stylus but it is still insane, sadly when it comes to SMS I'd say that IMO the iPhone wins, I'd be happier wit a number pad like the dialer that just did T9 input frankly. Also to find a contact since the scrolling never works with the use of a finger I have to whip out my stylus to scroll down to who I want to call, if I don't have their # memorized. I love my FreeRunner don't get me wrong but those two things drive me up a wall so quickly that on occasion if I know it's going to be a day filled with lots of SMSing I have been known to grab my old Samsung T409 cause I can text so much faster on it, but that's rare cause I much prefer using my OM. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: netfix testers?
Joel Newkirk wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:29:30 +0100, Alastair Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joel Newkirk wrote: OK, I posted the updated package to htp://newkirk.us/om/testing/netfix-j2.tar.gz - using 'route' instead of 'ip' now to set up default routes. So the only external dependency should be for resolvconf on SHR and Raster (and I'm guessing FSO). Please test and post results or problems to this thread. Sounds good. I'll give it a try when I get the chance. It sounds like it should combine well with dnsmasq or similar. I've been using djbdns dnscache. You just need the cache startup to also invoke echo 'nameserver 127.0.0.1' | resolvconf -a lo and it always uses local cache first, drops to next priority if cache is broken or stopped. You can also stuff a custom script in /etc/resolvconf/update.d that will be able to take the prioritized nameservers and update your cache to use them as upstream caches. (I've an example script for dnscache, but it expects it to be running under the full daemontools+tcpserver setup whereas I run it as a simple standalone service) http://newkirk.us/om/dnscache_2.1.5_armv4t.ipk ;) I couldn't see dnscache in OE but it sounds like the configuration to work with resolvconf is similar. dnsmasq is already available in OE which may make integration with the standard images easier. It also serves dhcp which would be useful when hooking up to a random laptop to provide GPRS access. I don't have any experience with either dnsmasq or dnscache other than looking at the docs, so I'm interested in hearing experience of their relative merits. IIRC someone (you?) mentioned a peculiarity of the djbdns build that may make it hard to include in OE. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience
I'm still using 2007.2, because in my experience it does have the most solid phone/sms functionality. It's far from perfect, though: - Suspend / resume is a dog, and since it's not being worked on any more I'm doubtful that this will ever be fixed. I have suspend and resume turned off, and use the 'dim only, don't lock' option, which turns off and locks the screen (despite the label), but doesn't suspend it. This gives reasonable reliability, but means you're limited to about 4-6 hours of battery life. - hangs - after amassing quite a few SMS's and a large call history, it takes a *long* time to open the dialler or the messaging application. During this time it's sitting at 99% CPU utilization. It works, but you need to be patient. Thankfully the dialler seems to pop up quickly when you're recieving a call. - Lockups - after using it for a while, it seems to require rebooting about once every 2 days or so - it just seems to freeze for no apparent reason. This may be due to something I've done. I'm impressed by Qtopia and by FSO3, but both have caveats which for me meant using 2007.2. I'm not a fan of ASU / 2008.x at all, although I am about to give FDOM a try. -Dale Warren Baird wrote: I must admit I never tried 2007.2 - but the things I read about it suggested that it also wasn't very stable - people recommended using Qtopia if you wanted a stable phone experience. Does 2007.2 really provide a rock-solid phone/sms experience? Warren On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Johny Tenfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 19:54, Warren Baird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Until I'm convinced those items are addressed, my $400 FR is going to remain turned off in my backpack, and my friends who bought iPhones will continue to laugh at me for 'wasting' my money on such a 'phone'. *please* give me some ammunition to use against them! Use the 2007.2, Luke! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 solved
Holger Freyther wrote: On Monday 13 October 2008 15:12:55 Daniel Nöthen wrote: Hello, I finally found a place in the qtopia sources where I could put code for activating the echo suppression for every incoming/outgoing call. I'm quite sure that experienced qtopia programmers would find a better place for it. But this just works. And as long as no other solution is out there I will share it with other people who want to combat the echo. Sorry, I'm late to the party, tick applied a patch to Qtopia so I basicly just want to understand. Why is sending this command only once not enough? Will it be reset after a call? Any usage of alsactl should not have any influence on the modem itself. explanations welcome and thanks for scratching your itch. z. My experience with FSO sending the command through mickeyterm was that once was enough, and the setting would remain over multiple calls. I wouldn't have tested over suspends though. After the initial patch to add %N0187 to the initialisation in qtopia based phone apps people started complaining that the echo was gone in the first call, but back in subsequent calls. Since the AT command in question is undocumented we don't know what might reset it, or even if it's supposed to last over multiple calls. There is no known way to query the current setting either. This is one of the reasons I'm asking if we can have more documentation on this now the GSM firmware is being looked at again. Until someone manages to find out how it behaves, or is supposed to behave, setting echo suppression and noise reduction for every call seems to have a lot of gain for little cost. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Building Angstrom distro for non-gta architecture
2008/10/22 Shaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi folks, I want to build the angstrom distribution or the FSU for ARM VersatilePB. I need to know what I can do to the mokoMakefile so that I can get it working. If tthis is not possible than what else should I do to handle the build with OE? MokoMakefile should be used to build 2008.x openmoko distributions. Makefile at downloads.freesmartphones.org should be used to build FSO. If you want to build Angstrom you should follow official angstrom build instructions. You should set a MACHINE in your conf file and oe will build your distro for the right CPU. I'm doing some test with qemuarm and using built images with qemu-system-arm -M versatilepb runs, I have only to investigate why the mouse does not works with opie/gpe. Regards Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience
Hi, I think that you need to maintain the gta02, because a lot of people did buy this waiting for a usable FOS Phone. The second point is, you need to move ASAP to a definitive stack, not change any time, or we will never have a stable one! Thank you, Levy 'Lewis' S. Google Talk! [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 12913566 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 05:47, John Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Like Wolfgang said in http://n2.nabble.com/Weekly-Engineering-News-41-2008-td1336450.html We assembled a team to focus on improving the user experience. Here is our todo list at the moment: * Reduce boot time. * Optimize the touch screen driver on freerunner for finger usage. * A generic python loader to enhance the start up time of python scripts. * Work with system team to improve suspend/resume user experience. I would like to ask the community: What do you want us to work on? The idea is * We improve the current stack, not creating new features. * Prefer stuffs which could be brought over to gta03 instead of gta02/om2008 specific. * won't work on om2007 stack. So, tell us what you want, then the coding monkeys will start working! :) Regards, John ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Building Angstrom distro for non-gta architecture
Hi, On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Nicola Mfb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/10/22 Shaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi folks, I want to build the angstrom distribution or the FSU for ARM VersatilePB. I need to know what I can do to the mokoMakefile so that I can get it working. If tthis is not possible than what else should I do to handle the build with OE? MokoMakefile should be used to build 2008.x openmoko distributions. Makefile at downloads.freesmartphones.org should be used to build FSO. If you want to build Angstrom you should follow official angstrom build instructions. You should set a MACHINE in your conf file and oe will build your distro for the right CPU. I'm doing some test with qemuarm and using built images with qemu-system-arm -M versatilepb runs, I have only to investigate why the mouse does not works with opie/gpe. I did some checks with the FSO build system, and a em-x270 machine and you could build all FSO distro for other machine (ARM). But i allways do it with OE. -- ___ Rafael Campos o0 Methril 0o http://openblog.methril.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: netfix testers?
Working nice for me, I was doing the same modifications manually, using ip route. Maybe you could use the both commands, with if Thank you, Levy 'Lewis' S. Google Talk! [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 12913566 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 08:00, Alastair Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Joel Newkirk wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:29:30 +0100, Alastair Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joel Newkirk wrote: OK, I posted the updated package to htp://newkirk.us/om/testing/netfix-j2.tar.gz - using 'route' instead of 'ip' now to set up default routes. So the only external dependency should be for resolvconf on SHR and Raster (and I'm guessing FSO). Please test and post results or problems to this thread. Sounds good. I'll give it a try when I get the chance. It sounds like it should combine well with dnsmasq or similar. I've been using djbdns dnscache. You just need the cache startup to also invoke echo 'nameserver 127.0.0.1' | resolvconf -a lo and it always uses local cache first, drops to next priority if cache is broken or stopped. You can also stuff a custom script in /etc/resolvconf/update.d that will be able to take the prioritized nameservers and update your cache to use them as upstream caches. (I've an example script for dnscache, but it expects it to be running under the full daemontools+tcpserver setup whereas I run it as a simple standalone service) http://newkirk.us/om/dnscache_2.1.5_armv4t.ipk ;) I couldn't see dnscache in OE but it sounds like the configuration to work with resolvconf is similar. dnsmasq is already available in OE which may make integration with the standard images easier. It also serves dhcp which would be useful when hooking up to a random laptop to provide GPRS access. I don't have any experience with either dnsmasq or dnscache other than looking at the docs, so I'm interested in hearing experience of their relative merits. IIRC someone (you?) mentioned a peculiarity of the djbdns build that may make it hard to include in OE. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] installer script
I have a 4gb sandisk sd, and it works nicely with suspend resume... but i have already to fsck it! ot: is there a software way to resume it? apm -resume? because i want to use 'at' to resume the phone and make it ring as an alarm... d On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:54 AM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I have not tried the 512mb card (it's at home and I'm at college). I'm not sure how to do what you're talking about arne, but you're suggesting that I can install a base system and put Debian on that? Can you point me in the correct direction? He was saying if you had your 512 to install debian on the 512 and the copy the data from that to your 8gb card exactly. the included 512mb card works -- if the installer still chokes there's something else wrong. after several failures with a 4g card i installed to the 512mb with the installer (it might be a good idea to take one step at time -- i nearly run out of space and had to clean /var/cache/apt/archives/ between two steps). then i mounted the 512mb in my pc, checked the partition values (size, type), copied the content of the first one (kernel and a text file whose purpose i do not yet grasp) and created from the second one a tar-ball (some weeks ago there was a discussion how to migrate data that way, the archive should show the different approaches -- tar, cp, rsync -- and their parameters). next step was to partition the bigger card: 8mb fat for the kernel, the rest ext2 for the system itself. copied the kernel+text file to the 8mb fat. unpacked the tar ball into the second. insert the card, start via aux+pwr and chose the second option (fat+ext2) ... and off you go. i tried it first w/ a 4g card but w/o luck (did not boot) and then w/ 1g which works. as far as i understand there's a sandisk 8g sdhc ultra II that works out of the box, ie no extra boot params, and survives suspend/resume. i am about to order one and see, if it is true. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Building Angstrom distro for non-gta architecture
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:54 AM, Nicola Mfb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/10/22 Shaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi folks, I want to build the angstrom distribution or the FSU for ARM VersatilePB. I need to know what I can do to the mokoMakefile so that I can get it working. If tthis is not possible than what else should I do to handle the build with OE? MokoMakefile should be used to build 2008.x openmoko distributions. Makefile at downloads.freesmartphones.org should be used to build FSO. If you want to build Angstrom you should follow official angstrom build instructions. You should set a MACHINE in your conf file and oe will build your distro for the right CPU. Can you please send me your conf file because I am not very accustomed with OE environment and do you mean that OE will also build a glibc based toolchain for the machine. Is there some sort of tutorial or a wiki page from openmoko or OE that tells how to do this stuff? I'm doing some test with qemuarm and using built images with qemu-system-arm -M versatilepb runs, I have only to investigate why the mouse does not works with opie/gpe. Regards Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Thanks. -- Shaz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone interested in mentoring?
On Wednesday 22 October 2008 18:05:50 Minh Ha Duong wrote: Dear wanabee mentored, Mentoring might be the wrong term as it implies some obligation from the person assisting. If you were contributing code then I'm sure someone might consider it. Project managers already trust _you_ explicitely to go forward and commit the changes you think are good: anybody can edit wiki pages, open tickets and float patches around. But you don't trust yourself. Good judgement comes with experience, and you say you don't have much. So you want someone to review your changes before you commit them. Start with small fixes that are very obvious to you and you can explain well. If you are unsure, just post your opinion or your changes to the mailing lists. If you are even less confident, use your own blog (just don't expect anybody else to see it if it is not advertised on the planet !). Did you find a local user group in your area ? Ever since mankind discovered fermentation (thousands of years ago), sharing beer has been the #1 way to join a social group. Being polite and nice is mostly optional in the open source world.The currency is actual contributions. So you do something first, and someone will look it over. Minh I'm not sure if my quote was relevant, except that maybe I was too nice? The original email seemed to imply they required training rather than mentoring. They did not even mention possible code submission or areas of interest. Not to say your suggestions aren't very good ones mind you :) To the original sender, there's a saying; The only stupid question is the one not asked. You'll find in the open source world that that is definitely not the consensus ;) ... but don't be perturbed. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Building Angstrom distro for non-gta architecture
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:31 AM, Shaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:54 AM, Nicola Mfb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/10/22 Shaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi folks, I want to build the angstrom distribution or the FSU for ARM VersatilePB. I need to know what I can do to the mokoMakefile so that I can get it working. If tthis is not possible than what else should I do to handle the build with OE? MokoMakefile should be used to build 2008.x openmoko distributions. Makefile at downloads.freesmartphones.org should be used to build FSO. If you want to build Angstrom you should follow official angstrom build instructions. You should set a MACHINE in your conf file and oe will build your distro for the right CPU. Can you please send me your conf file because I am not very accustomed with OE environment and do you mean that OE will also build a glibc based toolchain for the machine. Ok, I got it: Machine = qemuarm Right. And then use the rootfs and kernel with qemu-system-arm. Thanks. Is there some sort of tutorial or a wiki page from openmoko or OE that tells how to do this stuff? I'm doing some test with qemuarm and using built images with qemu-system-arm -M versatilepb runs, I have only to investigate why the mouse does not works with opie/gpe. Regards Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Thanks. -- Shaz -- Shaz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone interested in mentoring?
Sarton said: I'm not sure if my quote was relevant, except that maybe I was too nice? Re-reading my mail, quoting you was not the best way to establish context for my reply, I should have cut and paste the question. Sorry about that. But I have no real regrets on reproducing your paragraph because I fully subscribe to it and could not have said it better. Minh -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
rcp works, konqueror+fish not
I can rcp files from computer to my freerunner, but with konqueror and fish:// I can only download not upload. Moko just disconnects when I start uploading. Freerunner is running fdom and my computer is running Ubuntu: 8.04, Qt: 3.3.8b, KDE:3.5.9, Konqueror: 3.5.9. I just installed Debian on Freerunner and now konqueror+fish works, so I think it is about dropbear, not konqueror. (Debian has Dropbear sshd v0.51and fdom 0.49, maybe this is the point) -Aapo Rantalainen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Trouble adding uboot entry for debian
Hello all,
I've just installed debian onto my SD-card. However, I am unable to
add a uboot entry. I am assuming i'm missing something basic and am
hoping for your input. I already tried the configure-uboot.sh script,
and although it exits without an error, it does not add or modify any
entries in the uboot menu. I also tried to do it manually by accessing
the bootloader prompt, in which I issued the following commands:
setenv menu_2 Boot from microSD part2 (ext2+ext2): setenv bootargs
\${bootargs_base} rootfstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5
\${mtdparts} ro\; mmcinit\; ext2load mmc 1 0x3200
\${sd_image_name}\; bootm 0x3200
saveenv
neo1973 power-off
With, of course, some printenv commands in between to verify the entry
does indeed show up. This all works as expected. I get a menu_2 entry
and the Freerunner powers down. However, when i go back into the uboot
menu, the entry does not show up and when i go into the console it is
gone too.
Does anybody have any idea what i'm doing wrong here?
Martijn
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Re: [OM2008.8 - testing] - no desktop icons any more.
Is there a ticket for this icon problem? - Gunnar John Lee wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 01:33:09PM -0400, Daniel Benoy wrote: On Tuesday 21 October 2008 12:33:04 you wrote: hi, is someone on the testing tree of the 2008.8 distro, and solved the icon problem yet? My last comments in #2071, but not the same bug it seems. i upgraded to the latest testing 2008.8 packages. I know that there is a problem with the splash screen at boot up, that isn't solved yet. so i disabled the boot screen (btw: that saves 10 seconds boot time) But now i don't have any desktop icons. I'm in the same boat as you there. Can anyone even shed any light on what the cause of this is? I don't mind a little debugging but it's a bit over my head I don't even know where to start. Also, is active development (or building from git or whatever) happening in the 'testing' instead of 'unstable' ? If that's the case then I misunderstood the purposes of the feeds and should have went with stable. active development happening in unstable. This illume issue should not be there in the first place. also the clock-, battery- and signal-panel is at one place now. i restored the old ~/.e directory but that didn't changed anything. I fixed this by removing and reinstalling illume-theme-asu, and then installing illume-theme-illume (I believe this is also necessary in order to get the illume keyboard I like, but it also fixed the problem with all those little icons being squished into the same place and tiny.) - John ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
On 21 Oct 2008, at 19:52, Jim Morris wrote: Cédric Berger wrote: Here we are http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html time to port to Neo ! At last maybe we will get a stable, usable O/S for the Neo (which I have shelved until such a thing exists). I was using Qt but QtExtended was a step backwards in stability. I am very happy to see Android available for development, I may un-shelve my Neo blow off the dust and help port it! It's always charming to encounter an optimist. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: rcp works, konqueror+fish not
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:35:18 +0300, Aapo Rantalainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can rcp files from computer to my freerunner, but with konqueror and fish:// I can only download not upload. Moko just disconnects when I start uploading. Freerunner is running fdom and my computer is running Ubuntu: 8.04, Qt: 3.3.8b, KDE:3.5.9, Konqueror: 3.5.9. I just installed Debian on Freerunner and now konqueror+fish works, so I think it is about dropbear, not konqueror. (Debian has Dropbear sshd v0.51and fdom 0.49, maybe this is the point) -Aapo Rantalainen To find out if it's the Dropbear version difference, you can try updating dropbear to 0.51 on FDOM with: opkg install http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/dropbear_0.51-r1.01_armv4t.opk j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: Re: [Debian] installer script
I did partition the card myself after I ran the installer and it failed, then I tried to do everything step by step (skipping the partition step). This proceeded to the part where it actually downloads debian packages and attempts to install them, and about 15 minutes through that it failed. I'll run the script again and post a log later today. Thanks for the help. Andrew Bennett wrote: Try removing both partitions from your SD card (fdisk then 'd' both partitions) and then running the installer again. When I ran the installer script for the first time (this was a while ago: a day or two after the installer script was published), with an SD card that was already partitioned with Debian (pre-install script version) on it, the partition step failed. I manually set up the partitions and ran the rest of the install steps individually. For later install attempts, I always deleted all the partitions from the SD card before running the installer. You could also try looking closer at the output of the script, to see what errors occurred. (I ran the installer from an ssh session, so I could use my terminal window's scrollback buffer, copy and paste, etc.) Also, you could try partitioning the card yourself (find the instructions in the wiki) and then continue on from there. --- Andrew Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Matthew Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I have not tried the 512mb card (it's at home and I'm at college). I'm not sure how to do what you're talking about arne, but you're suggesting that I can install a base system and put Debian on that? Can you point me in the correct direction? Also, my 8gb uSDHC card works: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 Disk /dev/mmcblk0: 8168 MB, 8168931328 bytes 4 heads, 16 sectors/track, 249296 cylinders Units = cylinders of 64 * 512 = 32768 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/mmcblk0p1 1 2457832 4 FAT16 32M /dev/mmcblk0p2 246 249296 7969632 83 Linux Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: div class=moz-text-flowed style=font-family: -moz-fixedMatthew Lane wrote: Hey all, I'm trying to install Debian on the freerunner using the install.sh script. I keep getting stuck at Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table. and then my script exits. I've tried individually installing, but after the install step the script fails to install. I've added a u-boot environment boot option to lower the clock to 10,000,000 as instructed on the bug report here: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743 After booting with this option, without going into suspend, and after killing qpe: DASH_BINSH=false SD_PART1_FS=vfat ./install.sh all The script terminates after the partition stage. I'm using a SanDisk 8GB uSDHC card. I'm using the latest GTA02v5_and_up NAND u-boot. I think I remember seeing some more instructions, but I can't seem to find them anywhere. Anyone have an idea of how to proceed from here? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Have you tried on the 512MB that the majority of FreeRunner's ship with? /div ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: [Debian] installer script
arne anka wrote: div class=moz-text-flowed style=font-family: -moz-fixed No, I have not tried the 512mb card (it's at home and I'm at college). I'm not sure how to do what you're talking about arne, but you're suggesting that I can install a base system and put Debian on that? Can you point me in the correct direction? He was saying if you had your 512 to install debian on the 512 and the copy the data from that to your 8gb card exactly. the included 512mb card works -- if the installer still chokes there's something else wrong. after several failures with a 4g card i installed to the 512mb with the installer (it might be a good idea to take one step at time -- i nearly run out of space and had to clean /var/cache/apt/archives/ between two steps). then i mounted the 512mb in my pc, checked the partition values (size, type), copied the content of the first one (kernel and a text file whose purpose i do not yet grasp) and created from the second one a tar-ball (some weeks ago there was a discussion how to migrate data that way, the archive should show the different approaches -- tar, cp, rsync -- and their parameters). next step was to partition the bigger card: 8mb fat for the kernel, the rest ext2 for the system itself. copied the kernel+text file to the 8mb fat. unpacked the tar ball into the second. insert the card, start via aux+pwr and chose the second option (fat+ext2) ... and off you go. i tried it first w/ a 4g card but w/o luck (did not boot) and then w/ 1g which works. as far as i understand there's a sandisk 8g sdhc ultra II that works out of the box, ie no extra boot params, and survives suspend/resume. i am about to order one and see, if it is true. /div Awesome, what's the model # on that sandisk 8G? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: rcp works, konqueror+fish not
Aapo Rantalainen wrote: I can rcp files from computer to my freerunner, but with konqueror and fish:// I can only download not upload. Moko just disconnects when I start uploading. Freerunner is running fdom and my computer is running Ubuntu: 8.04, Qt: 3.3.8b, KDE:3.5.9, Konqueror: 3.5.9. I just installed Debian on Freerunner and now konqueror+fish works, so I think it is about dropbear, not konqueror. (Debian has Dropbear sshd v0.51and fdom 0.49, maybe this is the point) fish uses the shell and various commands, or perl, to do the transfer. See the kde doc linked below. It seems the busybox implementations of the shell parts don't quite behave as it expects, and one or more of the required perl modules isn't installed by default. We see similar shell behaviour in some of the init scripts where, for example, busybox sed doesn't support one of hte switches used by the init script. http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase-runtime/kioslave/fish.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
On Wednesday 22 Oct 2008 4:38:31 am Lorn Potter wrote: Jim Morris wrote: Lorn Potter wrote: Jim Morris wrote: Cédric Berger wrote: Just because 4.4.1 might be unstable doesn't mean qt extended will always be that way. It just means that 4.4.1 was buggier than expected. Oh I know it will get better, I was just disappointed it was less stable than the previous version. We all were. The truth is, 4.4.1 was pushed out before it was ready. But it couldn't be helped. Since i got my neo rather recently, i have only tried 4.4.1. Is 4.3 still the better choice? A couple of days ago i lost my daily use phone (motoming A1200) and so i now need to use the FR as my daily phone. which I had blown away to try 4.4.1 I couldn't really use 4.4.1 of QtEtended as it seemed to hang all the time as well as other issues which I'm sure you are aware of. (Scrolling through lists usually thinks you are selecting something you don't want etc). I'll continue to try the new versions of 4.4 as they come out, but in the meantime playing with Android seems like a good use of my time ;) I'll use whichever one ends up being a usable phone soonest. -- Cheers! Kishore ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: [Debian] installer script
Awesome, what's the model # on that sandisk 8G? see here for the amazon url (sandisk 8gb ultra II seems to do, especially ultra II) http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1088359 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.x] GPRS Instructions on the Wiki
When I looked at the prices for GPRS service from my provider (around 3¢/kB), I was flabbergasted, and now I wonder: what do people do with GPRS? Do they have better deals from their carrier, or do they use their bandwidth *very* sparingly? If so, what tools do they use? Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.x] GPRS Instructions on the Wiki
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:12:12AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: When I looked at the prices for GPRS service from my provider (around 3¢/kB), I was flabbergasted, and now I wonder: what do people do with GPRS? Do they have better deals from their carrier, or do they use their bandwidth *very* sparingly? If so, what tools do they use? When I looked at prices for GPRS and onwards, I decided I would never ever use such services, and advise everyone against using them. The only reason they cost so much, is so you don't use VOIP for cheaper calls. Rui -- Hail Eris! Today is Setting Orange, the 3rd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trouble adding uboot entry for debian
Martijn Otto wrote:
Hello all,
I've just installed debian onto my SD-card. However, I am unable to
add a uboot entry. I am assuming i'm missing something basic and am
hoping for your input. I already tried the configure-uboot.sh script,
and although it exits without an error, it does not add or modify any
entries in the uboot menu. I also tried to do it manually by accessing
the bootloader prompt, in which I issued the following commands:
setenv menu_2 Boot from microSD part2 (ext2+ext2): setenv bootargs
\${bootargs_base} rootfstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5
\${mtdparts} ro\; mmcinit\; ext2load mmc 1 0x3200
\${sd_image_name}\; bootm 0x3200
saveenv
neo1973 power-off
With, of course, some printenv commands in between to verify the entry
does indeed show up. This all works as expected. I get a menu_2 entry
and the Freerunner powers down. However, when i go back into the uboot
menu, the entry does not show up and when i go into the console it is
gone too.
Does anybody have any idea what i'm doing wrong here?
You don't mention whether you're using the NAND or NOR version of uboot.
If you used the NOR version (Aux then Power) then the changes wouldn't
be saved because it is the failsafe bootloader. If you used the NAND
version (Power then Aux) then it should have saved. The commands look
right from memory, assuming your uboot is recent enough to support
ext2load, but I may have missed something.
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Re: [2008.x] GPRS Instructions on the Wiki
When I looked at the prices for GPRS service from my provider (around 3¢/kB), I was flabbergasted, well, i pay 24¢/mb. simyo, germany. with my treo 650 i mostly used it to look for the next available train, when german railways spoiled my plans again ... and an occasional call to google maps. and now I wonder: what do people do with GPRS? Do they have better deals from their carrier, or do they use their bandwidth *very* sparingly? If so, what tools do they use? maybe people are willing to spend substantial amounts on gprs? :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.x] GPRS Instructions on the Wiki
here in germany it isn't so expensiv. you can have 200MB for 10€ or a flat rate for 25€ Rui Miguel Silva Seabra schrieb: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:12:12AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: When I looked at the prices for GPRS service from my provider (around 3¢/kB), I was flabbergasted, and now I wonder: what do people do with GPRS? Do they have better deals from their carrier, or do they use their bandwidth *very* sparingly? If so, what tools do they use? When I looked at prices for GPRS and onwards, I decided I would never ever use such services, and advise everyone against using them. The only reason they cost so much, is so you don't use VOIP for cheaper calls. Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Funambol on freerunner
Hello, I was wondering if anyone has experience with using Funambol (opensource sync mail) on the freerunner according to this link : http://www.funambol.com/news/pressrelease_2006.11.07.php Funambol and OpenMoko are partnering. Looking forward to any info Raf Goetschalckx ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.x] GPRS Instructions on the Wiki
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:12:12AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: When I looked at the prices for GPRS service from my provider (around 3¢/kB), I was flabbergasted, and now I wonder: what do people do with GPRS? Do they have better deals from their carrier, or do they use their bandwidth *very* sparingly? If so, what tools do they use? When I looked at prices for GPRS and onwards, I decided I would never ever use such services, and advise everyone against using them. The only reason they cost so much, is so you don't use VOIP for cheaper calls. VoIP over GPRS? Good luck with those latencies ;-) GPRS and 3G data rates in the UK vary hugely between supplier and call plan. On the prepay SIM I'm testing with 1 uk pound gets me 'unlimited' use for a day, though they're likely to suggest I change if I exceed 250MB, and I'm not supposed to use VoIP or connect a PC to it. Unless they've changed the terms yet again. There are better rates if you're going to use it every day, and there are rates almost as bad as the one mentioned above. Still people seem quite happy to pay for text messages. Work out the cost per kB on those ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
http://forum.koolu.org/ Register to get a patchset and a kernel pacthed for FR -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Android-open-sourced-tp1359949p1364565.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience
I'm also still using 2007.2, which is reasonably stable. I have the same usage/behavior as Dale Maggee wrote. I also hope that 2007.2 can be improved and maintained until there is a really stable distro. On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I'm still using 2007.2, because in my experience it does have the most solid phone/sms functionality. It's far from perfect, though: - Suspend / resume is a dog, and since it's not being worked on any more I'm doubtful that this will ever be fixed. I have suspend and resume turned off, and use the 'dim only, don't lock' option, which turns off and locks the screen (despite the label), but doesn't suspend it. This gives reasonable reliability, but means you're limited to about 4-6 hours of battery life. - hangs - after amassing quite a few SMS's and a large call history, it takes a *long* time to open the dialler or the messaging application. During this time it's sitting at 99% CPU utilization. It works, but you need to be patient. Thankfully the dialler seems to pop up quickly when you're recieving a call. - Lockups - after using it for a while, it seems to require rebooting about once every 2 days or so - it just seems to freeze for no apparent reason. This may be due to something I've done. I'm impressed by Qtopia and by FSO3, but both have caveats which for me meant using 2007.2. I'm not a fan of ASU / 2008.x at all, although I am about to give FDOM a try. -Dale Warren Baird wrote: I must admit I never tried 2007.2 - but the things I read about it suggested that it also wasn't very stable - people recommended using Qtopia if you wanted a stable phone experience. Does 2007.2 really provide a rock-solid phone/sms experience? Warren On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Johny Tenfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 19:54, Warren Baird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Until I'm convinced those items are addressed, my $400 FR is going to remain turned off in my backpack, and my friends who bought iPhones will continue to laugh at me for 'wasting' my money on such a 'phone'. *please* give me some ammunition to use against them! Use the 2007.2, Luke! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.x] GPRS Instructions on the Wiki
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Alastair Johnson wrote: GPRS and 3G data rates in the UK vary hugely between supplier and call plan. On the prepay SIM I'm testing with 1 uk pound gets me 'unlimited' use for a day, though they're likely to suggest I change if I exceed 250MB, and I'm not supposed to use VoIP or connect a PC to it. Unless they've changed the terms yet again. There are better rates if you're going to use it every day, and there are rates almost as bad as the one mentioned above. in the UK, on a contract SIM, i get unlimited GPRS for (effectively) £5 a month. i'm sure there's an acceptable-use limit, but i've not come anywhere near it so far. -- Tom Yates - http://www.teaparty.net___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Funambol on freerunner
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 05:32:56PM +0200, Raf Goetschalckx wrote: Hello, I was wondering if anyone has experience with using Funambol (opensource sync mail) on the freerunner according to this link : http://www.funambol.com/news/pressrelease_2006.11.07.php Funambol and OpenMoko are partnering. Looking forward to any info I suspect this has to do with OpenMoko focusing on making the phone good and Funambol on making good applications, is it so, I wonder... :) Rui -- Frink! Today is Setting Orange, the 3rd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.x] GPRS Instructions on the Wiki
Still people seem quite happy to pay for text messages. Work out the cost per kB on those ;-) That's what I meant by what tools do they use. I guess you can try and use some kind of POP setup so you can download your emails (with extra help to skip attachments or large emails): that could prove useful without costing you an arm and a leg. Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.x] GPRS Instructions on the Wiki
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 04:47:52PM +0100, Alastair Johnson wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:12:12AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: When I looked at the prices for GPRS service from my provider (around 3¢/kB), I was flabbergasted, and now I wonder: what do people do with GPRS? Do they have better deals from their carrier, or do they use their bandwidth *very* sparingly? If so, what tools do they use? When I looked at prices for GPRS and onwards, I decided I would never ever use such services, and advise everyone against using them. The only reason they cost so much, is so you don't use VOIP for cheaper calls. VoIP over GPRS? Good luck with those latencies ;-) *and*onwards*... Still people seem quite happy to pay for text messages. Work out the cost per kB on those ;-) However on net connections one uses many more KB... Rui -- Keep the Lasagna flying! Today is Setting Orange, the 3rd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Hire wrote: http://forum.koolu.org/ Register to get a patchset and a kernel pacthed for FR Downloading the stuff now. Although I am still trying to find out what to do with the patch-set ;-) So pointers are appreciated! Paul -- Saying nothing... sometimes says the most. -Emily Dickinson http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Since i got my neo rather recently, i have only tried 4.4.1. Is 4.3 still the better choice? A couple of days ago i lost my daily use phone (motoming A1200) and so i now need to use the FR as my daily phone. 4.3 is usable as a daily phone for me (YMMV),rock solid suspend and resume, no dialer issues. 4.4.1 is a bit unstable for daily use. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
2008/10/22 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 03:23:56PM -0700, Jim Morris wrote: No magic, I suspect the kernel will be the same, and have potentially the same bugs, however I think the apps will be more stable. Exactly! this is a tipical scenario showing why openmoko inc. should spend the big part of it's resources on the kernel. All the above, 2008.x, fso, qtopia, and now android will depend on it. Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.x] GPRS Instructions on the Wiki
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:12:12 -0400, Stefan Monnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I looked at the prices for GPRS service from my provider (around 3¢/kB), I was flabbergasted, and now I wonder: what do people do with GPRS? Do they have better deals from their carrier, or do they use their bandwidth *very* sparingly? If so, what tools do they use? Stefan In the US the primary GSM carriers are ATT (Cingular) and T-Mobile. They both offer unlimited data add-ons for voice service for about $30, standalone unlimited data for $35-$40. I have unlimited data with T-Mobile on the no-longer-offered 'internet3 VPN' add-on plan, $20 for unlimited. I've gone a week before routing my home network across EDGE when my DSL was down, never hit a consumption limit yet. (though I don't doubt there is one, at least for regular usage as opposed to very intermittent as mine is - until my Freerunner arrived I probably averaged 2mb per month the past two years, with no usage some months and occasional 10-20mb) ATT's 'PDA Personal' unlimited is $30 add-on, $35 standalone. T-Mobile's 'Total Internet' is (IIRC) $30 add-on, $40 standalone. j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.x] GPRS Instructions on the Wiki
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:47:52 +0100, Alastair Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:12:12AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: When I looked at the prices for GPRS service from my provider (around 3¢/kB), I was flabbergasted, and now I wonder: what do people do with GPRS? Do they have better deals from their carrier, or do they use their bandwidth *very* sparingly? If so, what tools do they use? When I looked at prices for GPRS and onwards, I decided I would never ever use such services, and advise everyone against using them. The only reason they cost so much, is so you don't use VOIP for cheaper calls. VoIP over GPRS? Good luck with those latencies ;-) :) I've pushed VOIP over EDGE before to test, it was tolerable. Not tried over GPRS though. I have streamed internet radio over GPRS, =32k streams. Still people seem quite happy to pay for text messages. Work out the cost per kB on those ;-) Ludicrous, in a word. What irritates me the most is that I have unlimited data, but T-Mobile still charges me $0.15 per text message since I don't pay the $5 or whatever per month for a messaging bundle. Most irrititatingly, though, if the message has an image or sound file attached, the multimedia message comes out of data instead of text messaging, so it's free. (and I can't currently attach images/sounds to messages with my FR) With my old camera phone I actually would write short messages on paper and send a photo, so it'd be free. (I'm just perverse that way) j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
my 2 cents: if the porting of android will need the intervention of the low level developers this shouldn't be done. the kernel coders need all the time they need to understand and optimize the low level code. if meanwhile there are other developers who feel they can handle the port it could be just another option, and would be wrong not to try it.. On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Nicola Mfb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/10/22 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 03:23:56PM -0700, Jim Morris wrote: No magic, I suspect the kernel will be the same, and have potentially the same bugs, however I think the apps will be more stable. Exactly! this is a tipical scenario showing why openmoko inc. should spend the big part of it's resources on the kernel. All the above, 2008.x, fso, qtopia, and now android will depend on it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.x] GPRS Instructions on the Wiki
With my old camera phone I actually would write short messages on paper and send a photo, so it'd be free. (I'm just perverse that way) WOOOHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! :-) -- Saying nothing... sometimes says the most. -Emily Dickinson http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] installer script
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 13:17, Davide Scaini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a 4gb sandisk sd, and it works nicely with suspend resume... but i have already to fsck it! ot: is there a software way to resume it? apm -resume? because i want to use 'at' to resume the phone and make it ring as an alarm... d In suspend cpu is turned off, so you can't run commands. But some time ago on this maillist was alarm applications, which uses RTC clock, which can resume Neo from suspend. Try it. dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [Debian] Alternate install (image)?
May this link helps you: http://dgym.homeunix.net/projects/freerunner/debian-install/ It's not an image but a tar.bz2-file (only torrent). Before you go to unmount step you should first use install.sh kernel. I used it with SD_PART1_FS=vfat so i had not to change uboot entries. By the way I never updated uboot and debian worked on FR. works with U-Boot 1.3,2-rc2-dirty-moko12 (Apr 2 2008) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:56:59 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: [Debian] Alternate install (image)? Hey, I've been posting about the installer script error I am getting and how I can't get the installer to work for Debian. Does anyone have an image I could flash? That would be great as I really want to try Debian on my phone. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community _ Die neue Generation der Windows Live Services - jetzt downloaden! http://get.live.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian/FSO] Reliable restart of zhone?
Am Dienstag, den 21.10.2008, 11:21 +0200 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm having some issues with Zhone. Sometimes I cant answer a call, sometimes Zhone loses its connection with the gsm network withouth notifying me. Maybe the bugs are in Zhone, maybe they are in frameworkd, but how do I restart Zhone/frameworkd reliably? In terminal: killall gsm0710muxd killall frameworkd killall zhone /etc/init.d/frameworkd start Launch zhone again. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] QT Dbus connection to Gypsy
How exactly does it not work? Are you extracting the data out of the struct with the operators as described in http://doc.trolltech.com/4.2/qdbusargument.html ? :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
How to change hardware, usbkeyboard layout?
First things first. Hi. I've been rading this list for a loong time, so i thought it was time to join in. I'm just wondering. Where do i change the layout for my usb hardware keyboard. My Freerunner is in usb host mode and everything is working fine, exept that i'm used to the dworak layout. Where can i change this so it has system wide effect. Remember, it's a hardware USB keyboard, not the illume/asu/matchbox ones. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/How-to-change-hardware%2C-usbkeyboard-layout--tp1365764p1365764.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Funambol on freerunner
On Wednesday 22 October 2008 18:11:04 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 05:32:56PM +0200, Raf Goetschalckx wrote: Hello, I was wondering if anyone has experience with using Funambol (opensource sync mail) on the freerunner according to this link : http://www.funambol.com/news/pressrelease_2006.11.07.php Funambol and OpenMoko are partnering. Looking forward to any info I suspect this has to do with OpenMoko focusing on making the phone good and Funambol on making good applications, is it so, I wonder... :) Rui I guess this is an open secret already, but just in case someone wants to have a synchronisation solution which uses SyncML: https://code.launchpad.net/~sasch-pe/+junk/qtopia-ds This tool can be used to sync your appointments, tasks and contacts with any SyncML capable server or web-services (my.funambol.com, ...). The current solution was written against and tested with Qtopia-4.3.1, it is known to compile and run with Qtopia-4.4.0 (and probably QtExtended) but there are issues in the backend I used (Funambol C++ Client API), so if somebody wants to step up, I would be glad to offer some help :-) And of course I'd like to see it integrated somehow into one of those OpenMoko distros. -- Sascha signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: One more rotate version
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Thomas des Courières [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know http://www.assembla.com/ ? they provide for free trac, subversion, and team managing facilities. And they don't are affiliated with big brother ... Beware: http://blog.assembla.com/assemblablog/tabid/12618/bid/7019/New-subscription-plans-Clarification-and-even-better-pricing.aspx clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: rcp works, konqueror+fish not
opkg install http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/dropbear_0.51-r1.01_armv4t.opk Now I have dropbear 0.51 on debian and fdom. Konqueror+fish works with debian, but not with fdom. So this is the right place to look http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase-runtime/kioslave/fish.html It uses perl if founded. Else It uses the shell commands cat, chgrp, chmod, chown, cp, dd, env, expr, grep, ls, mkdir, mv, rm, rmdir, sed, and wc. My fdom doesn't contain perl, so this is list which command doesn't behave as it expects. If I try to upload file, it only makes empty file with name. -Aapo Rantalainen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: rcp works, konqueror+fish not
2008/10/22 Aapo Rantalainen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I can rcp files from computer to my freerunner, but with konqueror and fish:// I can only download not upload. Moko just disconnects when I start uploading. Freerunner is running fdom and my computer is running Ubuntu: 8.04, Qt: 3.3.8b, KDE:3.5.9, Konqueror: 3.5.9. I just installed Debian on Freerunner and now konqueror+fish works, so I think it is about dropbear, not konqueror. (Debian has Dropbear sshd v0.51and fdom 0.49, maybe this is the point) -Aapo Rantalainen I don't really know whats the difference, but konqueror+sftp:// works out of the box on every image I used, so I think the problem is indeed fish. hendrik ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: netfix testers?
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:04:31 -0200, Levy Abinajm Melero Sant'Anna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Working nice for me, I was doing the same modifications manually, using ip route. Maybe you could use the both commands, with if Thank you, Levy 'Lewis' S. The problem is that 'ip' only supports route metric if you install the full iproute2 - the one preinstalled on the FR is a link to busybox, which supports a minimal subset of functions from the 'real ip' - excluding route metrics among a great many other features. However the busybox 'route' implementation does support 'metric', so I just went that route. That way there's no dependency on an iproute2 ipk that AFAIK is not in any repository (bar Debian) at this time, and the added peace of mind benefit that anyone interested only needs to install a tarball of a dozen plaintext config files and short shell scripts, more easily audited than an ipk binary from an unofficial source. (it does need resolvconf, which is preinstalled on 2007.x/2008.x/FDOM, not on Raster or SHR, don't know about others, but is in the official feeds regardless) We need route metrics: it's entirely possible for wifi, usb, and gprs to all be up simultaneously, all three having default routes they configure when they come up. In the past you could end up with two default routes at same priority (which one is 'right'?) or the 'newer' would replace the 'older' - which might be wrong and almost always leads to problems when interfaces go down (IE, wifi) and the default route needs to revert to the old device and gateway (IE, USB) and nevermind what happens if USB went down in the meantime, which is not at all unlikely with the FR. So it sets up route metric of 20 for Wifi, 30 for USB (host or device mode possibilites) and 40 for ppp0 (GPRS). All three default routes can exist at the same time if all interfaces are up, but the kernel will choose the 'least cost routing' which is: wifi, failing that: usb, failing that: gprs, failing that: can't route. (smaller metric is supposed to be an indication of 'hops to destination via this route', so lower number means it's closer and so the kernel chooses this as the best route - in a sense I'm misusing 'metric' but it works reliably, just rank the routes by 'how long' instead of 'how far') I'm looking for an easier means of customizing (maybe you want USB highest instead of Wifi) because currently you'd need to edit the route metric in a few files and also /etc/resolvconf/interface-order. What I'd like eventually is to have an indicator widget in the top shelf or toolbar showing connection status and route/tech. Tap for details balloon, tap 'more' or whatever in that to open dialog to manage GPRS and WiFi, and offer prioritization. But I haven't been able to do more than contemplate that as a future project, with too much keeping me busy as it is. :( By the time I get a chance we'll probably be using frameworkd to manage all the connections. (I'm working on getting GPRS under frameworkd to work with my changes, but frameworkd doesn't yet manage wifi) And hopefully by then we'll have a network manager on top of sensible defaults. j On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 08:00, Alastair Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Joel Newkirk wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:29:30 +0100, Alastair Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joel Newkirk wrote: OK, I posted the updated package to htp://newkirk.us/om/testing/netfix-j2.tar.gz - using 'route' instead of 'ip' now to set up default routes. So the only external dependency should be for resolvconf on SHR and Raster (and I'm guessing FSO). Please test and post results or problems to this thread. Sounds good. I'll give it a try when I get the chance. It sounds like it should combine well with dnsmasq or similar. I've been using djbdns dnscache. You just need the cache startup to also invoke echo 'nameserver 127.0.0.1' | resolvconf -a lo and it always uses local cache first, drops to next priority if cache is broken or stopped. You can also stuff a custom script in /etc/resolvconf/update.d that will be able to take the prioritized nameservers and update your cache to use them as upstream caches. (I've an example script for dnscache, but it expects it to be running under the full daemontools+tcpserver setup whereas I run it as a simple standalone service) http://newkirk.us/om/dnscache_2.1.5_armv4t.ipk ;) I couldn't see dnscache in OE but it sounds like the configuration to work with resolvconf is similar. dnsmasq is already available in OE which may make integration with the standard images easier. It also serves dhcp which would be useful when hooking up to a random laptop to provide GPRS access. I don't have any experience with either dnsmasq or dnscache other than looking at the docs, so I'm interested in hearing experience of their relative merits. IIRC someone (you?) mentioned a peculiarity of the djbdns build that may make it hard to
DNS caching (was Re: netfix testers?)
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:00:59 +0100, Alastair Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joel Newkirk wrote: http://newkirk.us/om/dnscache_2.1.5_armv4t.ipk ;) I couldn't see dnscache in OE but it sounds like the configuration to work with resolvconf is similar. dnsmasq is already available in OE which may make integration with the standard images easier. It also serves dhcp which would be useful when hooking up to a random laptop to provide GPRS access. I don't have any experience with either dnsmasq or dnscache other than looking at the docs, so I'm interested in hearing experience of their relative merits. IIRC someone (you?) mentioned a peculiarity of the djbdns build that may make it hard to include in OE. I've not used dnsmasq. Build complications with djbdns revolve mostly around his approach to a makefile. It assumes it's being compiled on the destination machine directly, and builds test programs and scripts on the fly. I've no doubt someone could distill it to a briefer makefile that would successfully build dnscache for the FR, but I suspect a proper bitbake recipe would prove more challenging, and really ought to encompass the whole package, not just one component. I wrote a script to automate the build. It's fairly ugly, builds djbdns plus daemontools plus tcpserver. Of that all, only one component of djbdns is of immediate interest to me, dnscache, so the rest is superfluous. (I started with a full proper djbdns installation on my FR and trimmed it back step by step - for purposes as a local cache on a handheld device I decided that TCP support [rarely used in such a situation] and the daemontools service management weren't vital) j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
uboot version? wiki not accurate
Hi, I'm still using my original uboot version and I think it is time to upgrade. Unfortunately the wiki seems not to be accurate, because it states the following: The latest bootloader binary builds can be found under http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/ . All versions of the GTA02 (Neo FreeRunner) that have been sold to the public are version 5 hardware, so look for a file with gta02 and v5 in the name, for example: uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin This is the listing of the above link: [ ] dfu-util22-Oct-2008 01:31 579K [ ] gta01bv4-lowlevel.bin 22-Oct-2008 01:31 280 [ ] gta01bv4-u-boot.bin 22-Oct-2008 01:31 214K [ ] gta02v5_and_up-lowlevel.bin 22-Oct-2008 01:31 308 [ ] gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin 22-Oct-2008 01:31 211K [ ] testing-om-gta01-20081021.rootfs.jffs2 22-Oct-2008 01:31 34M [ ] testing-om-gta01-20081021.rootfs.tar.gz 22-Oct-2008 01:31 28M [ ] testing-om-gta01-20081022.uImage.bin22-Oct-2008 01:31 1.7M [ ] testing-om-gta02-20081021.rootfs.jffs2 22-Oct-2008 01:31 41M [ ] testing-om-gta02-20081021.rootfs.tar.gz 22-Oct-2008 01:31 30M [ ] testing-om-gta02-20081022.uImage.bin22-Oct-2008 01:31 1.7M I assume that gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin is the correct image, but how can I be sure? Furthermore, what is gta02v5_and_up-lowlevel.bin? Is there a stable version of uboot, or are there only daily builds available? Helmut ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
running om2008 as normal user
is there any way to setup a normal user to auto-login on startup? i don't like running as root, and would prefer to use a normal user for day to day stuff, and either sudo or a root account for admin which file is used to set the auto-login user? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.x] GPRS Instructions on the Wiki
Joel Newkirk wrote: What irritates me the most is that I have unlimited data, but T-Mobile still charges me $0.15 per text message since I don't pay the $5 or whatever per month for a messaging bundle. Most irrititatingly, though, if the message has an image or sound file attached, the multimedia message comes out of data instead of text messaging, so it's free. (and I can't currently attach images/sounds to messages with my FR) This is the nature of MMS. I believe it's basically a SMS with a pointer to the content which is kept on your carrier's HTTP server which is downloaded via WAP. -Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: netfix testers?
So it sets up route metric of 20 for Wifi, 30 for USB (host or device mode possibilites) and 40 for ppp0 (GPRS). Oh yeah, I am using the iproute2, by this reason. Wifi is cheaper for me. I'm looking for an easier means of customizing (maybe you want USB highest instead of Wifi) because currently you'd need to edit the route metric in a few files and also /etc/resolvconf/interface-order. What I'd like eventually is to have an indicator widget in the top shelf or toolbar showing connection status and route/tech. Tap for details balloon, tap 'more' or whatever in that to open dialog to manage GPRS and WiFi, and offer prioritization. This type of interface would be very cool. The power for the user choose, the metric directly from GUI. But I haven't been able to do more than contemplate that as a future project, with too much keeping me busy as it is. :( By the time I get a chance we'll probably be using frameworkd to manage all the connections. (I'm working on getting GPRS under frameworkd to work with my changes, but frameworkd doesn't yet manage wifi) And hopefully by then we'll have a network manager on top of sensible defaults. Thank you for your efforts, I will test and report bugs. Levy 'Lewis' S. Google Talk! [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 12913566 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone interested in mentoring?
On Wednesday 22 October 2008 23:37:58 Minh Ha Duong wrote: Sarton said: I'm not sure if my quote was relevant, except that maybe I was too nice? Re-reading my mail, quoting you was not the best way to establish context for my reply, I should have cut and paste the question. Sorry about that. But I have no real regrets on reproducing your paragraph because I fully subscribe to it and could not have said it better. Ah, I see. I failed to identify you were elaborating on what I said, or at least mapping out a clear path for participation and possibly mentoring. In the context of elaboration/clarification it makes perfect sense, it just wasn't obvious to me ... and quite possibly only me :) But as I said, all good suggestions and worth stating. There's no 'generic participation entry point' for open source and I'm sure some people wouldn't be aware of all possible avenues, sometimes due to the obvious factor. Even I could use some of that advice ;) Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Compilation errors
Lally Singh wrote: Hey folks, I'm working on getting the entire OM stack to build under OpenSolaris (under an LX zone), and am having a problem. I'm using Mokomakefile. Specifically: gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../.. -I../../../src/lib/ecore -I../../../src/lib/ecore -isystem/home/moko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/usr/include -isystem/home/moko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/usr/include -Os -MT ecore_fb_li.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/ecore_fb_li.Tpo -c ecore_fb_li.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/ecore_fb_li.o | ecore_fb_li.c: In function `ecore_fb_input_device_open': | ecore_fb_li.c:402: `EV_SYN' undeclared (first use in this function) | ecore_fb_li.c:402: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once | ecore_fb_li.c:402: for each function it appears in.) | ecore_fb_li.c:422: `EV_FF_STATUS' undeclared (first use in this function) | ecore_fb_li.c:423: `EV_PWR' undeclared (first use in this function) | ecore_fb_li.c: In function `ecore_fb_input_device_axis_size_set': | ecore_fb_li.c:471: storage size of `abs_features' isn't known The symbols are defined in linux/input.h, but it looks like the -i should be a -I. Anyone know: 1) if this is the problem It's not; the option is -isystem and it appears to be used correctly. -- Charles-Henri ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Compilation errors
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 1:20 AM, Charles-Henri Gros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lally Singh wrote: Hey folks, I'm working on getting the entire OM stack to build under OpenSolaris (under an LX zone), and am having a problem. I'm using Mokomakefile. Specifically: gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../.. -I../../../src/lib/ecore -I../../../src/lib/ecore -isystem/home/moko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/usr/include -isystem/home/moko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/usr/include -Os -MT ecore_fb_li.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/ecore_fb_li.Tpo -c ecore_fb_li.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/ecore_fb_li.o | ecore_fb_li.c: In function `ecore_fb_input_device_open': | ecore_fb_li.c:402: `EV_SYN' undeclared (first use in this function) | ecore_fb_li.c:402: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once | ecore_fb_li.c:402: for each function it appears in.) | ecore_fb_li.c:422: `EV_FF_STATUS' undeclared (first use in this function) | ecore_fb_li.c:423: `EV_PWR' undeclared (first use in this function) | ecore_fb_li.c: In function `ecore_fb_input_device_axis_size_set': | ecore_fb_li.c:471: storage size of `abs_features' isn't known The symbols are defined in linux/input.h, but it looks like the -i should be a -I. Anyone know: 1) if this is the problem It's not; the option is -isystem and it appears to be used correctly. Thanks. Turns out the problem is that the build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/usr/include directory needs a copy of the linux headers underneath. -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Compilation errors
On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 01:35:27 -0400 Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Thanks. Turns out the problem is that the build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/usr/include directory needs a copy of the linux headers underneath. well it is building frameubffer support.. for a linux based embedded system... so it'll need the linux kernel headers for the fb ioctl enums etc. :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
