Re: infos about packages in various distributions
Please read this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Features_by_distribution.2Frelease_target until the end of the page. Make any updates if you se possible. and see also http://opkg.org/ Regards, Pander heat wrote: Still trying various distributions (... and still haven't find MY DISTRIBUTION). A great help would be knowing the features of packages in repository (the name often doesn't help and the opkg info command too). Any idea about it ? Thank you. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Optimization team update (11/02 ~ 11/08)
On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 12:28:32PM +0100, Petr Vanek wrote: Hi community, Hi John Lee, thank you for the great update :) Great work, thank you! I haven't tried yet but today want to download the testing quick boot image from last week to see the difference :) Jeremy looked into the two issues about suspend/resume that we may fix in userspace. One is #1991, here is his update: Another one #1347 is about after the resume, it goes to suspend While you are working on suspend is there any plan to look at the WSOD - #1841? Lately, even dimming causes WSOD so not only that suspend isn't possible but even dim is not an option anymore... there is no way to conserve the batteries... and this makes the FR even less usable as a device for PDA (not even talking phone yet). As this constant energy draw (often all the way down to 0V) actually kills the battery really quickly. i really hope a fix will be available before our batteries get badly damaged by this... I have not analyzed this issue yet. I think it's a kernel issue or even hardware issue. I have not much idea for this yet, I think for this issue, I would change another panel to test first, and then measure the electronic signals to see if it's conformed to the panel spec. cheers -- Petr Vanek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: RESEND(Wrong Thread): IMAGE/MP3 licensing issue.
Tim, The only threat a patent troll understands is a well funded group of researchers and lawyers ready and willing to spend millions of dollars and years of effort to invalidate their prized patent. Fortunately, such things _do_ exist. I suggest OpenMoko search for, and solicit help from any they may find. Let me link back to one of my Weekly Engineering News (back when they were still weekly, ahem - I am working hard to get this good discipline back!) http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td837114 We looked at several options, OIN, patent-commons, peertopatent. In the end we decided to collaborate with the Software Freedom Law Center in New York. We believe this is most in line with the goals of the Openmoko project, and will have the best long-term results. I cannot speak about details yet, the SFLC and Sean are working on this. I think next year, with regards to patents the results from that will be one of the more important developments for Openmoko and maybe even the larger Free Software scene. Best Regards, Wolfgang On Nov 14, 2008, at 4:42 AM, Tim Schmidt wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Chris Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd still rather a format that didn't risk (as much as anyone can know these days) such lawsuits in the first place.. _All_ software risks such lawsuits. Software patents are so over-broad, vaguely worded, impenetrably incomprehensible to normal folk, and numerous that _no significant work is safe._ _Of course_ we should prefer the Ogg formats - especially with companies like Sisvel running around - but to believe they are unassailable by patent trolls, or somehow more safe than other software is delusional. A well stocked portfolio of patents is no thread to a troll - they sell no products vulnerable to injunctions. The only threat a patent troll understands is a well funded group of researchers and lawyers ready and willing to spend millions of dollars and years of effort to invalidate their prized patent. Fortunately, such things _do_ exist. I suggest OpenMoko search for, and solicit help from any they may find. --tim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Om2008.9] tar file corrupt after transport to FR
Hello, I wanted to tranfer some thousand (OSM) files from my laptop to the FR; the tar file is fine on the laptop (FreeBSD 7.0r): $ tar tf osm-20081114.tar | wc -l 13067 the MD5 sums are matching after transport with SCP: $ md5 osm-20081114.tar MD5 (osm-20081114.tar) = 4b23f51e29307281d0a18e3aac2f7324 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# md5sum osm-20081114.tar 4b23f51e29307281d0a18e3aac2f7324 osm-20081114.tar but: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# tar tf osm-20081114.tar tar: corrupted octal value in tar header Any idea? matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL
Jacob, Glamo is not a forbidden topic. Openmoko actually has learnt a lot from this. First we have learnt to not trust high-level promises as much as before. In fact I would go as far as saying that going forward, we will not trust any promises about 'we will open this up later' anymore. Either it's open and documented at the time we make the decision to use those chips, or we look elsewhere. I believe that's what our customers want. We have a long way to go to come out with kick-ass open phone hardware, but if our community doesn't loose faith and continues to do development together with us, we'll get there. The momentum we have built with the Freerunner is awesome. Please continue to buy Freerunners and to develop for it, same is happening internally. The next phones will build on top of the free platform we have built together, the technology investment will carry over. Having said that, if someone wants to seriously develop for the glamo, please get in touch with me and we will find a legally correct way to extend the smedia documentation to you. In fact we have done that in a few cases before already, but I'm not sure how much actual codes have come out of that. I think very little ;-) So we need some really serious coders that don't mind a tough challenge. Best Regards, Wolfgang On Nov 14, 2008, at 6:48 AM, Jacob Peterson wrote: Sorry to drag this old, over discussed topic up again. However, I am concerned that if action is not taken soon then all GTA02 owners will be left without any real chance to ever get anything in the way of OpenGL support. So I ask the question, what is Openmoko's position on writing an OpenGL driver for the Glamo chip or at least aiding developers with some form of documentation? I have read speculation that it may be possible to do something such as rewrite the documents to get around the NDA. Since it seems rather clear that SMedia has no intention to release the documents to anyone else under NDA, it is solely up to Openmoko to write the driver or at least aid any community members with the ability to write such a driver. Hopefully there is something that can be done, or better yet, something is currently being done on this. Regards, Jacob ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] tar file corrupt after transport to FR
Yeah, the busybox tar command cant handle large files without dying. I untar'd what I could and just ran rsync to fix the problems and move the rest over - slower but it worked. BillK On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 11:08 +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote: Hello, I wanted to tranfer some thousand (OSM) files from my laptop to the FR; the tar file is fine on the laptop (FreeBSD 7.0r): $ tar tf osm-20081114.tar | wc -l 13067 the MD5 sums are matching after transport with SCP: $ md5 osm-20081114.tar MD5 (osm-20081114.tar) = 4b23f51e29307281d0a18e3aac2f7324 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# md5sum osm-20081114.tar 4b23f51e29307281d0a18e3aac2f7324 osm-20081114.tar but: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# tar tf osm-20081114.tar tar: corrupted octal value in tar header Any idea? matthias -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 06:11:30PM +0800, Wolfgang Spraul wrote: built with the Freerunner is awesome. Please continue to buy Freerunners and to develop for it, same is happening internally. The next phones will build on top of the free platform we have built together, the technology investment will carry over. I might have to skip GTA03 since I have just spent a huge 300 Euros for a GTA02 :) I hope the software stack becomes less of a joke in time for GTA03 or it'll be hard to get much new customers... Rui -- Fnord. Today is Pungenday, the 26th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Openmoko Problem
Dear all I am new to openmoko and i am not able to install applications and my network is up i can ping. When i type [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc# opkg install openmoko-dates2 An error ocurred, return value: 2. and when i update it will flash these errors in seconds [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc# opkg update Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository//Multiverse/Packages.gz Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository//Multiverse/Packages.sig Signature check failed Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/Packages.gz Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/Packages.sig Signature check failed Downloading http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/Packages.gz Downloading http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/Packages.sig Signature check failed Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/Packages.gz Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/Packages.sig Signature check failed Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/neo1973/Packages.gz Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/neo1973/Packages.sig Signature check failed Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/om-gta02/Packages.gz Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/om-gta02/Packages.sig Signature check failed Collected errors: * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository//Multiverse/Packages.gz, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository//Multiverse/Packages.sig, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/Packages.gz, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/Packages.sig, error 0 * Failed to download http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/Packages.gz, error 0 * Failed to download http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/Packages.sig, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/Packages.gz, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/Packages.sig, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/neo1973/Packages.gz, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/neo1973/Packages.sig, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/om-gta02/Packages.gz, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/om-gta02/Packages.sig, error 0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc# ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Problem
opkg install openmoko-dates2 An error ocurred, return value: 2. i not know what happend but try a opkg upgrade Signature check failed this is normal. all repositories does not have .sig files. phil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
(Debian) IceWm running!
Yes, it works. Fast! Including the openmoko-panel-plugin. See an example at http://www.nlpagan.net/images/img_3914.jpg (And no, that's not my cat ;-) Paul -- The things I want to know are in books; my best friend is the man who'll get me a book I ain't read. -Abraham Lincoln http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.10 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Problem
try checking if you can install by giving the full ipk url (see opkg.org for the full urls) of some packages with opkg install. Let me know if that works. Rakshat On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:37 PM, mallikarjun arjun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all I am new to openmoko and i am not able to install applications and my network is up i can ping. When i type [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc# opkg install openmoko-dates2 An error ocurred, return value: 2. and when i update it will flash these errors in seconds [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc# opkg update Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository//Multiverse/Packages.gz Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository//Multiverse/Packages.sig Signature check failed Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/Packages.gz Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/Packages.sig Signature check failed Downloading http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/Packages.gz Downloading http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/Packages.sig Signature check failed Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/Packages.gz Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/Packages.sig Signature check failed Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/neo1973/Packages.gz Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/neo1973/Packages.sig Signature check failed Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/om-gta02/Packages.gz Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/om-gta02/Packages.sig Signature check failed Collected errors: * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository//Multiverse/Packages.gz, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository//Multiverse/Packages.sig, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/Packages.gz, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/Packages.sig, error 0 * Failed to download http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/Packages.gz, error 0 * Failed to download http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/Packages.sig, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/Packages.gz, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/Packages.sig, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/neo1973/Packages.gz, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/neo1973/Packages.sig, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/om-gta02/Packages.gz, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/om-gta02/Packages.sig, error 0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc# ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Problem
ok crap, the download of the packages also fails :) you said you could ping, your own computer or something else? i normally connect my freerunner to my eeepc with linux. i have special iptables rules on my eeepc host to provide NATing to the internet. does pinging www.openmoko.org works? another problem could be your nameserver settings. phil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Problem
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:44 PM, smurfy - phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: opkg install openmoko-dates2 An error ocurred, return value: 2. i not know what happend but try a opkg upgrade Signature check failed this is normal. all repositories does not have .sig files. but when i enter opkg update it will flash within seconds dosent seems like downloading files from internet also graphically it will show Error: Cannot access repository. Please check your internet phil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Problem
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:48 PM, rakshat hooja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: try checking if you can install by giving the full ipk url (see opkg.orgfor the full urls) of some packages with opkg install. Let me know if that works. Rakshat [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg install http://westhoffswelt.de/data/blog/moko_eightball/moko-eightball_0.20080721_om-gta02.ipk Downloading http://westhoffswelt.de/data/blog/moko_eightball/moko-eightball_0.20080721_om-gta02.ipk Collected errors: * Failed to download http://westhoffswelt.de/data/blog/moko_eightball/moko-eightball_0.20080721_om-gta02.ipk, error 0 On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:37 PM, mallikarjun arjun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all I am new to openmoko and i am not able to install applications and my network is up i can ping. When i type [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc# opkg install openmoko-dates2 An error ocurred, return value: 2. and when i update it will flash these errors in seconds [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc# opkg update Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository//Multiverse/Packages.gz Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository//Multiverse/Packages.sig Signature check failed Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/Packages.gz Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/Packages.sig Signature check failed Downloading http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/Packages.gz Downloading http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/Packages.sig Signature check failed Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/Packages.gz Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/Packages.sig Signature check failed Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/neo1973/Packages.gz Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/neo1973/Packages.sig Signature check failed Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/om-gta02/Packages.gz Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/om-gta02/Packages.sig Signature check failed Collected errors: * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository//Multiverse/Packages.gz, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository//Multiverse/Packages.sig, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/Packages.gz, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/Packages.sig, error 0 * Failed to download http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/Packages.gz, error 0 * Failed to download http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/Packages.sig, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/Packages.gz, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/Packages.sig, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/neo1973/Packages.gz, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/neo1973/Packages.sig, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/om-gta02/Packages.gz, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/om-gta02/Packages.sig, error 0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc# ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Problem
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:01 PM, mallikarjun arjun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:51 PM, smurfy - phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok crap, the download of the packages also fails :) you said you could ping, your own computer or something else? i normally connect my freerunner to my eeepc with linux. i have special iptables rules on my eeepc host to provide NATing to the internet. does pinging www.openmoko.org works? another problem could be your nameserver settings. phil If i ping using ipaddress then it pings also i can ping my own laptop. Do you still think it is problem with name server but this does not works ping www.openmoko.org ping: bad address 'www.openmoko.org' ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Problem
yes i think so, My working settings on GTA02, i use the 192.168.10.x net for my usb connection, this could differ for you. 192.168.10.2 is my freerunner and 192.168.10.1 my eeepc [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ cat /etc/resolv.conf nameserver 208.67.222.222 nameserver 208.67.220.220 cat /etc/network/interfaces # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8) # The loopback interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback # Wireless interfaces iface wlan0 inet dhcp wireless_mode managed wireless_essid any iface atml0 inet dhcp # Wired or wireless interfaces iface eth0 inet dhcp iface eth1 inet dhcp # Ethernet/RNDIS gadget (g_ether) # ... or on host side, usbnet and random hwaddr auto usb0 iface usb0 inet static address 192.168.10.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.10.0 gateway 192.168.10.1 # Bluetooth networking iface bnep0 inet dhcp --- on my eeepc i have a script which i execute after connecting usb. ifconfig usb0 192.168.10.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ath0 -j MASQUERADE iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o usb0 -j MASQUERADE iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.10.0/24 -j ACCEPT iptables -A FORWARD -s 172.16.10.0/24 -d 192.168.10.0/24 -j ACCEPT 172.16.10.0 is my local network. with this and some other static routes on my internet router i can access my freerunner over my eeepc from my normal workstation. important lines on your host computer is: ifconfig usb0 192.168.10.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o usb0 -j MASQUERADE iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.10.0/24 -j ACCEPT phil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Problem
Hi, This may happen because DNS server adress is missing. Just ssh into your freerunner and add the IP adress for the DNS server command : nano /etc/resolv.conf then add to the resolv.conf file : nameserver your DNS serveripadress (without the quotes) save the resolv.conf file (ctrl o) quit nano (ctrl x) Try pinging openmoko again. Greetings, Steven mallikarjun arjun wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:01 PM, mallikarjun arjun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:51 PM, smurfy - phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok crap, the download of the packages also fails :) you said you could ping, your own computer or something else? i normally connect my freerunner to my eeepc with linux. i have special iptables rules on my eeepc host to provide NATing to the internet. does pinging www.openmoko.org works? another problem could be your nameserver settings. phil If i ping using ipaddress then it pings also i can ping my own laptop. Do you still think it is problem with name server but this does not works ping www.openmoko.org ping: bad address 'www.openmoko.org' ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Openmoko-Problem-tp1498025p1498138.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Problem
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:21 PM, smurfy - phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes i think so, My working settings on GTA02, i use the 192.168.10.x net for my usb connection, this could differ for you. 192.168.10.2 is my freerunner and 192.168.10.1 my eeepc [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ cat /etc/resolv.conf nameserver 208.67.222.222 nameserver 208.67.220.220 cat /etc/network/interfaces # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8) # The loopback interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback # Wireless interfaces iface wlan0 inet dhcp wireless_mode managed wireless_essid any iface atml0 inet dhcp # Wired or wireless interfaces iface eth0 inet dhcp iface eth1 inet dhcp # Ethernet/RNDIS gadget (g_ether) # ... or on host side, usbnet and random hwaddr auto usb0 iface usb0 inet static address 192.168.10.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.10.0 gateway 192.168.10.1 # Bluetooth networking iface bnep0 inet dhcp --- on my eeepc i have a script which i execute after connecting usb. ifconfig usb0 192.168.10.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ath0 -j MASQUERADE iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o usb0 -j MASQUERADE iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.10.0/24 -j ACCEPT iptables -A FORWARD -s 172.16.10.0/24 -d 192.168.10.0/24 -j ACCEPT 172.16.10.0 is my local network. with this and some other static routes on my internet router i can access my freerunner over my eeepc from my normal workstation. important lines on your host computer is: ifconfig usb0 192.168.10.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o usb0 -j MASQUERADE iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.10.0/24 -j ACCEPT phil Will give a try and update you about this. Thanks for you inputs ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] tar file corrupt after transport to FR
El día Friday, November 14, 2008 a las 07:32:25PM +0900, William Kenworthy escribió: Yeah, the busybox tar command cant handle large files without dying. I untar'd what I could and just ran rsync to fix the problems and move the rest over - slower but it worked. I've Google'd around and it's a known issue (bug) of the busybox which must be compiled with a flag ENABLE_FEATURE_TAR_OLDGNU_COMPATIBILITY to work correctly: I've packed the tree again using gtar version 1.19 on my laptop and the file can be read by the busybox tar on the FR. matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Problem
I am also pretty sure its a missing DNS server in resolv.conf. Rakshat On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Steven Goyvaerts [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi, This may happen because DNS server adress is missing. Just ssh into your freerunner and add the IP adress for the DNS server command : nano /etc/resolv.conf then add to the resolv.conf file : nameserver your DNS serveripadress (without the quotes) save the resolv.conf file (ctrl o) quit nano (ctrl x) Try pinging openmoko again. Greetings, Steven mallikarjun arjun wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:01 PM, mallikarjun arjun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:51 PM, smurfy - phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok crap, the download of the packages also fails :) you said you could ping, your own computer or something else? i normally connect my freerunner to my eeepc with linux. i have special iptables rules on my eeepc host to provide NATing to the internet. does pinging www.openmoko.org works? another problem could be your nameserver settings. phil If i ping using ipaddress then it pings also i can ping my own laptop. Do you still think it is problem with name server but this does not works ping www.openmoko.org ping: bad address 'www.openmoko.org' ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Openmoko-Problem-tp1498025p1498138.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Problem
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:24 PM, mallikarjun arjun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:21 PM, smurfy - phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes i think so, My working settings on GTA02, i use the 192.168.10.x net for my usb connection, this could differ for you. 192.168.10.2 is my freerunner and 192.168.10.1 my eeepc [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ cat /etc/resolv.conf nameserver 208.67.222.222 nameserver 208.67.220.220 cat /etc/network/interfaces # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8) # The loopback interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback # Wireless interfaces iface wlan0 inet dhcp wireless_mode managed wireless_essid any iface atml0 inet dhcp # Wired or wireless interfaces iface eth0 inet dhcp iface eth1 inet dhcp # Ethernet/RNDIS gadget (g_ether) # ... or on host side, usbnet and random hwaddr auto usb0 iface usb0 inet static address 192.168.10.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.10.0 gateway 192.168.10.1 # Bluetooth networking iface bnep0 inet dhcp --- on my eeepc i have a script which i execute after connecting usb. ifconfig usb0 192.168.10.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ath0 -j MASQUERADE iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o usb0 -j MASQUERADE iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.10.0/24 -j ACCEPT iptables -A FORWARD -s 172.16.10.0/24 -d 192.168.10.0/24 -j ACCEPT 172.16.10.0 is my local network. with this and some other static routes on my internet router i can access my freerunner over my eeepc from my normal workstation. important lines on your host computer is: ifconfig usb0 192.168.10.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o usb0 -j MASQUERADE iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.10.0/24 -j ACCEPT phil Will give a try and update you about this. Thanks for you inputs Thanks a lot guys. /etc/resolv.conf (name server) was the problem. Special thanks to phil for taking trouble to explain so much. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Problem (Solved)
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:28 PM, rakshat hooja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am also pretty sure its a missing DNS server in resolv.conf. yes man it was DNS server problem. Rakshat On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Steven Goyvaerts [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi, This may happen because DNS server adress is missing. Just ssh into your freerunner and add the IP adress for the DNS server command : nano /etc/resolv.conf then add to the resolv.conf file : nameserver your DNS serveripadress (without the quotes) save the resolv.conf file (ctrl o) quit nano (ctrl x) Try pinging openmoko again. Greetings, Steven mallikarjun arjun wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:01 PM, mallikarjun arjun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:51 PM, smurfy - phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok crap, the download of the packages also fails :) you said you could ping, your own computer or something else? i normally connect my freerunner to my eeepc with linux. i have special iptables rules on my eeepc host to provide NATing to the internet. does pinging www.openmoko.org works? another problem could be your nameserver settings. phil If i ping using ipaddress then it pings also i can ping my own laptop. Do you still think it is problem with name server but this does not works ping www.openmoko.org ping: bad address 'www.openmoko.org' ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Openmoko-Problem-tp1498025p1498138.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[shr] phone apps don't work
I have problems with all openmoko-* apps regarding GSM/SIM. But strangely the GSM applet shows i have service. I have collected some messages from the console output. Maybe they have a common cause which i can fix. Because i really like to use shr, because it has just the right gui and the right philosophy in general. openmoko-dialer starts, bu when i press call this comes: ** (process:1401): DEBUG: initiate call: 076145CENSORED Failed to handle dbus error: type: class 'framework.resource.ResourceNotEnabled' , 69 (dbus-glib-error-quark), code 32 (Sorry for bad line breaks, emails suck for this kind of info) openmoko-contacts (dies instantly) Trying to get the system bus Adding signals. ** (process:1215): DEBUG: phonegui_init() ** (process:1215): DEBUG: Entering ecore loop ** (process:1215): DEBUG: phonegui_contacts_show() ** (process:1215): DEBUG: Initiated elementary ** (process:1215): DEBUG: Initiated etk ** (process:1215): DEBUG: Added exit callback to ecore. ** (process:1215): DEBUG: event_callback() ** (process:1215): DEBUG: contacts_event(), event: 0 ** (process:1215): DEBUG: window_create() ** (process:1215): DEBUG: Adding delete-request-callback ** (process:1215): DEBUG: contacts_event(), event: 1 openmoko-messages (also never comes up) Trying to get the system bus Adding signals. ** (process:1217): DEBUG: phonegui_init() ** (process:1217): DEBUG: Entering ecore loop ** (process:1217): DEBUG: phonegui_messages_show() ** (process:1217): DEBUG: Initiated elementary ** (process:1217): DEBUG: Initiated etk ** (process:1217): DEBUG: Added exit callback to ecore. ** (process:1217): DEBUG: event_callback() ** (process:1217): DEBUG: messages_event() ** (process:1217): DEBUG: Event: 0 ** (process:1217): DEBUG: window_create() ** (process:1217): DEBUG: Adding delete-request-callback ** (process:1217): DEBUG: messages_event() ** (process:1217): DEBUG: Event: 1 -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr] phone apps don't work
I was having problems with the built-in versions of those apps. Apparently my GSM was not properly registered. What worled for me was to: Opkg remove frameworkd fso-gpsd tangogps Then opkg install them again. Maybe it will work for you. James Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:21:07 To: community communitycommunity@lists.openmoko.org Subject: [shr] phone apps don't work I have problems with all openmoko-* apps regarding GSM/SIM. But strangely the GSM applet shows i have service. I have collected some messages from the console output. Maybe they have a common cause which i can fix. Because i really like to use shr, because it has just the right gui and the right philosophy in general. openmoko-dialer starts, bu when i press call this comes: ** (process:1401): DEBUG: initiate call: 076145CENSORED Failed to handle dbus error: type: class 'framework.resource.ResourceNotEnabled' , 69 (dbus-glib-error-quark), code 32 (Sorry for bad line breaks, emails suck for this kind of info) openmoko-contacts (dies instantly) Trying to get the system bus Adding signals. ** (process:1215): DEBUG: phonegui_init() ** (process:1215): DEBUG: Entering ecore loop ** (process:1215): DEBUG: phonegui_contacts_show() ** (process:1215): DEBUG: Initiated elementary ** (process:1215): DEBUG: Initiated etk ** (process:1215): DEBUG: Added exit callback to ecore. ** (process:1215): DEBUG: event_callback() ** (process:1215): DEBUG: contacts_event(), event: 0 ** (process:1215): DEBUG: window_create() ** (process:1215): DEBUG: Adding delete-request-callback ** (process:1215): DEBUG: contacts_event(), event: 1 openmoko-messages (also never comes up) Trying to get the system bus Adding signals. ** (process:1217): DEBUG: phonegui_init() ** (process:1217): DEBUG: Entering ecore loop ** (process:1217): DEBUG: phonegui_messages_show() ** (process:1217): DEBUG: Initiated elementary ** (process:1217): DEBUG: Initiated etk ** (process:1217): DEBUG: Added exit callback to ecore. ** (process:1217): DEBUG: event_callback() ** (process:1217): DEBUG: messages_event() ** (process:1217): DEBUG: Event: 0 ** (process:1217): DEBUG: window_create() ** (process:1217): DEBUG: Adding delete-request-callback ** (process:1217): DEBUG: messages_event() ** (process:1217): DEBUG: Event: 1 -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL
I might have to skip GTA03 since I have just spent a huge 300 Euros for a GTA02 :) I hope the software stack becomes less of a joke in time for GTA03 or it'll be hard to get much new customers... Well said. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: RESEND(Wrong Thread): IMAGE/MP3 licensing issue.
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:38 AM, Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me link back to one of my Weekly Engineering News (back when they were still weekly, ahem - I am working hard to get this good discipline back!) http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td837114 We looked at several options, OIN, patent-commons, peertopatent. In the end we decided to collaborate with the Software Freedom Law Center in New York. We believe this is most in line with the goals of the Openmoko project, and will have the best long-term results. I cannot speak about details yet, the SFLC and Sean are working on this. I think next year, with regards to patents the results from that will be one of the more important developments for Openmoko and maybe even the larger Free Software scene. Excellent. I'd missed that. Thank you very much for pointing it out! :D --tim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:11 AM, Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Openmoko actually has learnt a lot from this. First we have learnt to not trust high-level promises as much as before. In fact I would go as far as saying that going forward, we will not trust any promises about 'we will open this up later' anymore. Either it's open and documented at the time we make the decision to use those chips, or we look elsewhere. I believe that's what our customers want. Agreed, and awesome. We have a long way to go to come out with kick-ass open phone hardware, but if our community doesn't loose faith and continues to do development together with us, we'll get there. The momentum we have built with the Freerunner is awesome. Please continue to buy Freerunners and to develop for it, same is happening internally. The next phones will build on top of the free platform we have built together, the technology investment will carry over. *crosses fingers and hopes* Having said that, if someone wants to seriously develop for the glamo, please get in touch with me and we will find a legally correct way to extend the smedia documentation to you. In fact we have done that in a few cases before already, but I'm not sure how much actual codes have come out of that. I think very little ;-) So we need some really serious coders that don't mind a tough challenge. I am not a skilled developer, but I would be more than happy to organize, and participate in a traditional clean room re-implementation of the documentation. As a GTA02 owner, as a founding member of the Open Graphics Project, as a Director of the Open Hardware Foundation, I believe I have the resources to accomplish such a task. I'd love to try. Can we make it happen? --tim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL
Rui Nishit, I might have to skip GTA03 since I have just spent a huge 300 Euros for a GTA02 :) I hope the software stack becomes less of a joke in time for GTA03 or it'll be hard to get much new customers... Wow, this is actually really complicated, let me tell you a bit how I see things. First of all thank you very much for buying a Freerunner! And posting so much good stuff to our mailing lists. The Freerunner is our breadwinner right now, Freerunner sales sustain Openmoko, and more importantly they grow the community around a 100% open mobile platform. You contribute in many ways. If you buy the Freerunner as a normal user for daily use (quite a few people use it as a daily phone), then your main contribution is that you buy the phone, give Openmoko some of your hard earned money to support further development. If you want to use it as a daily phone, but run into too many bugs or don't find a distribution that fits your needs, you contribute by writing up bug reports. Sending critical emails to our mailing lists or blogging about the shortcomings of the phone. Both our community and our internal people work tirelessly to address these bugs. Finally if you buy it as a mobile development platform right away, you won't mind the current bugs and shortcomings, but see them as an opportunity to grow Free Software into the mobile world. Also don't forget documentation. Documentation is super important to really make Free Software valuable. Every contribution to our wiki (wiki.openmoko.org) is a way to help Openmoko. The home page has been translated to 23 languages! We are really building a free mobile platform together. The source codes are 100% Free Software. The schematics are open under Creative Commons license (CC-BY-SA), so is the complete mechanical design. How does all this relate to GTA03? Well, on one hand internally we work around the clock as if we are trying to start mass production of GTA03 next month. Sean would certainly love to mass produce improved hardware _ANY TIME_ :-) Sean always pushes us to work faster and get things done. On the other hand it's such a huge task. A 100% free and open mobile platform. Thousands of details. And a very small internal engineering force. I have around 30 internal engineers. The typical mobile platform (Nokia/Symbian, WinMobile/HTC, Android/HTC, RIMM, Apple) has over 1000. Is Openmoko planning to hire the missing 970? No. We can only hire very carefully as the current sales of GTA02 allow us to do. Otherwise we would endanger the openness of the platform. The other 970 must come from our community, and increasingly they are. So by buying Freerunners, fixing or writing up bugs, helping to document more aspects of the phone, you help us all get to GTA03 faster. When will GTA03 come out? You tell me. You, and the rest of the community influence it more than you can imagine. We have decided to make changes to the hardware only incrementally, along product lines of our current chip vendors whenever possible, so that as much as possible of the software effort can carry over. We have decided to focus our internal software engineering on the low level, so that we leverage our insider knowledge about the hardware and schematics, while relying on the larger Free Software community to help with higher-level software. You say the current software is a 'joke', which is painful for me but I accept it. From where we all want to be it's a joke, yes. Agreed. So that also answers your question when GTA03 will come out. It's a long way, maybe another year. Let's continue to work, join if you haven't joined yet. Best Regards, Wolfgang On Nov 14, 2008, at 7:06 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 06:11:30PM +0800, Wolfgang Spraul wrote: built with the Freerunner is awesome. Please continue to buy Freerunners and to develop for it, same is happening internally. The next phones will build on top of the free platform we have built together, the technology investment will carry over. I might have to skip GTA03 since I have just spent a huge 300 Euros for a GTA02 :) I hope the software stack becomes less of a joke in time for GTA03 or it'll be hard to get much new customers... Rui -- Fnord. Today is Pungenday, the 26th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr] phone apps don't work
As I told before, please use the shr-devel mailing list for that kind of issue, as SHR hasn't been released yet and we don't want to/can't settle all the issues of all the users in the world right now, as we already have issues to fix :-) On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: openmoko-dialer starts, bu when i press call this comes: ** (process:1401): DEBUG: initiate call: 076145CENSORED Failed to handle dbus error: type: class 'framework.resource.ResourceNotEnabled' , 69 (dbus-glib-error-quark), code 32 (Sorry for bad line breaks, emails suck for this kind of info) This will only happen if the GSM isn't registered properly (more correctly : isn't enabled). To work on that case, we won't be able to do a thing if you don't give us your /tmp/frameworkd.log and /tmp/ophonekitd.log. Please do so on the shr-devel ML or on our trac. -- Julien Cassignol http://www.ainulindale.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thank you for your answer. I bought GTA02 and I am really happy of this buy. I hope to buy the next major revision! I am not still using it as my daily phone (to say the true I hate phones), but I using my free time to develop it. About the lesson, I think it was very important to learn it. To accept closed HW pays a lot in short term, but the true values is something different! Please keep up this great work! Michele Renda PS. Some hints on future OpenGL chips can arrive inside the next GTAXX versions? :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkkdfVUACgkQSIAU/I6SkT1SqgCbBDzzNcUjB86NhyW9tEvC6wEh yz8AnR1JiDaauT1yQ8i8J+GfFk03DXQk =ZDDn -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL
Thank you for the response Wolfgang. The current FreeRunner is already starting to show its potential as a kick-ass phone and defiantly has me excited to see what future version can offer, but it is sad to see the user interface will never be able to support smooth animations or run any applications that require more that a couple simple moving objects without 3D acceleration support for the Glamo. What started me think of this is running Android on the FreeRunner. I noticed that it ran reasonably well, but if it had just a little extra help from the 3D accelerator it would run really well, the same goes for every other UI and application for the phone. I will continue to support Openmoko and I am eagerly awaiting future hardware that do offer proper 3D support, but until then I will try and get all I can out of what is available. -Jacob On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Jacob, Glamo is not a forbidden topic. Openmoko actually has learnt a lot from this. First we have learnt to not trust high-level promises as much as before. In fact I would go as far as saying that going forward, we will not trust any promises about 'we will open this up later' anymore. Either it's open and documented at the time we make the decision to use those chips, or we look elsewhere. I believe that's what our customers want. We have a long way to go to come out with kick-ass open phone hardware, but if our community doesn't loose faith and continues to do development together with us, we'll get there. The momentum we have built with the Freerunner is awesome. Please continue to buy Freerunners and to develop for it, same is happening internally. The next phones will build on top of the free platform we have built together, the technology investment will carry over. Having said that, if someone wants to seriously develop for the glamo, please get in touch with me and we will find a legally correct way to extend the smedia documentation to you. In fact we have done that in a few cases before already, but I'm not sure how much actual codes have come out of that. I think very little ;-) So we need some really serious coders that don't mind a tough challenge. Best Regards, Wolfgang On Nov 14, 2008, at 6:48 AM, Jacob Peterson wrote: Sorry to drag this old, over discussed topic up again. However, I am concerned that if action is not taken soon then all GTA02 owners will be left without any real chance to ever get anything in the way of OpenGL support. So I ask the question, what is Openmoko's position on writing an OpenGL driver for the Glamo chip or at least aiding developers with some form of documentation? I have read speculation that it may be possible to do something such as rewrite the documents to get around the NDA. Since it seems rather clear that SMedia has no intention to release the documents to anyone else under NDA, it is solely up to Openmoko to write the driver or at least aid any community members with the ability to write such a driver. Hopefully there is something that can be done, or better yet, something is currently being done on this. Regards, Jacob ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL
I hope the software stack becomes less of a joke in time for GTA03 or it'll be hard to get much new customers... Actually I have never read any jokes about the software stack. But it is a sign of good mental health when a community is able to make fun of itself. Besides, where else would one share jokes about Openmoko ? Open fire ! Here is a old one: With milestone IV, openmoko-fso-console-image , FSO is getting really close to a workable GNUPhone as described at: http://notnews.today.com/2008/09/22/free-software-foundation-announces-gnuphone/ Yours, Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Minh Ha Duong [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I hope the software stack becomes less of a joke in time for GTA03 or it'll be hard to get much new customers... Actually I have never read any jokes about the software stack. But it is a sign of good mental health when a community is able to make fun of itself. Besides, where else would one share jokes about Openmoko ? Open fire ! Here is a old one: With milestone IV, openmoko-fso-console-image , FSO is getting really close to a workable GNUPhone as described at: http://notnews.today.com/2008/09/22/free-software-foundation-announces-gnuphone/ Minh, Wolfgang, Please don't misunderstand those of us who seem to have nothing but negative opinions. We bought the phone because we loved the open source ideal. However, having committed good money and not having the ability to make infinite copies of it, those of us who bought it for pure philosophical and utilitarian purposes, rather than academic or career-oriented ones, have been definitely disappointed at the never-ending list of problems. I'd rather not enumerate them. I believe Rui is very correct in his comment on the commercial aspect of this effort and the results it has yielded so far. Here is a great idea with tremendous potential if you set the right goals and direct your energies to achieve them. The open source philosophy has a distinct disadvantage of people developing just for the joy of it without considering the harsh realities of economics and consumerism. You are competing against real products that, if you disregard the deliberate crippling and proprietary technologies, 'Work'. A commodity device should perform its basic functions faultlessly 'Out Of The Box'. I hate these cliches as much as you do, but they fit their purpose perfectly. I am, as other users must probably be, thankful to your team and the community for the effort you have put in, and the support and spirit you have shown. I am glad that the Freerunner is no vapourware. I am glad the Back To Basics program was conceived and started. However, I believe that the GTA02 is your only chance to make the GTA03 and future versions a resounding success. Please concentrate your efforts in curing its shortcomings. Make it reliable and usable at least for us semi-geeks. The path you have followed allows the boys to use it as their toy, but if that remains its only purpose, there will be definitely lesser repeat customers for the GTA03, whenever it comes out, and whatever it turns out to be. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)
Hi Wolfgang, i really appreciate the work you and all the OM-folks and the community does, but: You say the current software is a 'joke', which is painful for me but I accept it. From where we all want to be it's a joke, yes. Agreed. Well, for me, the software is not a joke. It's a little bit special, but i can mostly live with that, somehow and i accept it, knowing it is still not production ready. What really is a joke and absolutly unacceptable for me is the Buzzing and even more of a joke is the fact that the OM-folks doesn't recognize this as an absolute 100% Showstopper for GTA02, 03 and whatever comes next. (by Showstopper i mean the immediate stop of mass production until buzzing is fixed) Please go on and find the source and the solution of this Buzzing ASAP and show us how we can fix it. It's your only chance to avoid theses Issues in GTA03 and its successors. As soon as this happens, much more guys will accept it as a (practially) usable phone, more guys will contribute, more companys might recognize this as a an attractive platform. But as long as the GTA-Hardware doesn't match ANY 5$-Cellphone on ebay on its very built purpose (to make and recieve a phonecall..) OM or Freerunner will have very little chance of surving the Year of 2009. So please fix this buzzing issue.. Greetings Torsten ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)
To add my two pence-worth about the joke comment - I have a very high tolerance to stuff not working. or not working smoothly. Most of my computers are broken in some way at any given time. However, when forced to rely on it for a month, even I got annoyed with the freerunner running OM software. It really needs work on the basics. I mean, responsiveness is not there, interface is dodgy (the end call button being in the same spot as the accept call button, and being unresponsive, made me hang up s many calls). Echo on calls, battery life... Also, I know everyone loves X, but is it really the best choice for a low powered device that needs a responsive UI? Anyway, I guess what I'm saying is that whilst I love the ideals, it's basically become a toy rather than a phone, until such time as android is available. And I feel really bad for saying that because I so want a small, community involved, properly open platform to be a reality, and I know you guys are doing a lot of work, it's just not ready for prime-time yet. I think maybe I had the wrong impression about the state of the software when I bought it. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/The-forbidden-topic%3A-Glamo-OpenGL-tp1495995p1498709.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL
Dear Wolfgang, On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 09:11:40PM +0800, Wolfgang Spraul wrote: You say the current software is a 'joke', which is painful for me but I accept it. From where we all want to be it's a joke, yes. Agreed. So that also answers your question when GTA03 will come out. It's a long way, maybe another year. If I wasn't such an adept to Free Software, I wouldn't have patience to tolerate the problems. Some of the reasons the software stack is a joke is not even the fault of OpenMoko. Eg, the qtopia^Wqtextended interface has had a lot more years of life and has so little :) I'm so very glad to hear the news that the sales have been good enough, it's really good to know that because it gives me reasonable expectation that this most respectful company (because it dares to provide the unique Free Software cell phone in suck a proprietary market) will be around long enough for the worst bugs to be solved. It was a terrible mistake to use hardware with NDA-only info, and that is hurting a lot of your users. Please keep your focus there :) Please consider that I'm really using it as a daily phone, and you can't do anything else than grow a strong stomach for these critiques because they are real problems: * White Screen of Death means the battery life is somewhere between 4 and 8 hours (depending on number of calls, in extreme cases maybe even less) * Accelerometers that freeze after a short time of reads mean that accelerometer based applications are not useful on the long run (they need to be frequently restarted) * Slow 2D, no 3D * ... I count myself lucky to not have a dead phone most of the time because I'm almost always plugged to the wall, and as such the laptop powers up the Neo. And I do spend an awful long time in front of the computer, the experience is much worse on weekends (where I have to carry the wall charger around with me). I don't care about a good zhone/tichy/paroli/whatever if I can't use it because the phone is out of juice :) By frustrating that reading critiques may be, consider how frustrating it is for me (and people who have the same problems) :) People with less patience are selling their OpenMokos (I hope people with better patience buy them). I'm even willing to tryout experimental images aimed at trying to solve the WSoD bug, as I've stopped importing my contacts (I grew tired of doing it three to four times a week) and other things that take some time. Best, Rui -- Hail Eris! Today is Pungenday, the 26th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 02:36:27PM +0100, Minh Ha Duong wrote: I hope the software stack becomes less of a joke in time for GTA03 or it'll be hard to get much new customers... Actually I have never read any jokes about the software stack. But it is a sign of good mental health when a community is able to make fun of itself. Besides, where else would one share jokes about Openmoko ? Open fire ! Actually, most users of OpenMokos I know get mocked for using a brick that sometimes is a phone or other funny remarks. Here is a old one: With milestone IV, openmoko-fso-console-image , FSO is getting really close to a workable GNUPhone as described at: http://notnews.today.com/2008/09/22/free-software-foundation-announces-gnuphone/ Yes, FSO M4 is probably one of the best images OpenMoko Inc put out so far :) Rui -- Or is it? Today is Pungenday, the 26th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jacob, Glamo is not a forbidden topic. Having said that, if someone wants to seriously develop for the glamo, please get in touch with me and we will find a legally correct way to extend the smedia documentation to you. In fact we have done that in a few cases before already, but I'm not sure how much actual codes have come out of that. I think very little ;-) So we need some really serious coders that don't mind a tough challenge. Best Regards, Wolfgang wow, this is the first I hear about this I don't think it is very well know in the community. Maybe somebody can put a notification on the main page of the wiki about it? y ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL
somebody (leinir) on irc suggested you could maybe hire http://www.tungstengraphics.com (leinir Tungsten Graphics being the people behind gallium3d of course) although I don't know how much openmoko is willing to spend on it y On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jacob, Glamo is not a forbidden topic. Openmoko actually has learnt a lot from this. First we have learnt to not trust high-level promises as much as before. In fact I would go as far as saying that going forward, we will not trust any promises about 'we will open this up later' anymore. Either it's open and documented at the time we make the decision to use those chips, or we look elsewhere. I believe that's what our customers want. We have a long way to go to come out with kick-ass open phone hardware, but if our community doesn't loose faith and continues to do development together with us, we'll get there. The momentum we have built with the Freerunner is awesome. Please continue to buy Freerunners and to develop for it, same is happening internally. The next phones will build on top of the free platform we have built together, the technology investment will carry over. Having said that, if someone wants to seriously develop for the glamo, please get in touch with me and we will find a legally correct way to extend the smedia documentation to you. In fact we have done that in a few cases before already, but I'm not sure how much actual codes have come out of that. I think very little ;-) So we need some really serious coders that don't mind a tough challenge. Best Regards, Wolfgang On Nov 14, 2008, at 6:48 AM, Jacob Peterson wrote: Sorry to drag this old, over discussed topic up again. However, I am concerned that if action is not taken soon then all GTA02 owners will be left without any real chance to ever get anything in the way of OpenGL support. So I ask the question, what is Openmoko's position on writing an OpenGL driver for the Glamo chip or at least aiding developers with some form of documentation? I have read speculation that it may be possible to do something such as rewrite the documents to get around the NDA. Since it seems rather clear that SMedia has no intention to release the documents to anyone else under NDA, it is solely up to Openmoko to write the driver or at least aid any community members with the ability to write such a driver. Hopefully there is something that can be done, or better yet, something is currently being done on this. Regards, Jacob ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problem editing wiki
Hi.. I have a problem editing the wiki. [...] Is anyone else experiencing this? Do you know what can be causing it? Known problem.. see: http://n2.nabble.com/whitespace-going-missing-on-wikipages-td1479519ef1958.html#a1479519 -- Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problem editing wiki
Thanks! Thomas Franck wrote: Hi.. I have a problem editing the wiki. [...] Is anyone else experiencing this? Do you know what can be causing it? Known problem.. see: http://n2.nabble.com/whitespace-going-missing-on-wikipages-td1479519ef1958.html#a1479519 -- Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Problem-editing-wiki-tp1499011p1499109.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL
Le vendredi 14 novembre 2008, Yorick Moko a écrit : On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jacob, Glamo is not a forbidden topic. Having said that, if someone wants to seriously develop for the glamo, please get in touch with me and we will find a legally correct way to extend the smedia documentation to you. In fact we have done that in a few cases before already, but I'm not sure how much actual codes have come out of that. I think very little ;-) So we need some really serious coders that don't mind a tough challenge. Best Regards, Wolfgang wow, this is the first I hear about this I don't think it is very well know in the community. Maybe somebody can put a notification on the main page of the wiki about it? To say what ? Minh -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)
I know the buzzing issue had quite a bit of attention from the Openmoko team, judging from watching the traffic on the Hardware and Kernel mailing lists. So I don't think they have given up on that, but it doesn't seem like there is any set solution for current devices, only anecdotal reports of alsa volume tweaks. On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Gothnet [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: To add my two pence-worth about the joke comment - I have a very high tolerance to stuff not working. or not working smoothly. Most of my computers are broken in some way at any given time. However, when forced to rely on it for a month, even I got annoyed with the freerunner running OM software. It really needs work on the basics. I mean, responsiveness is not there, interface is dodgy (the end call button being in the same spot as the accept call button, and being unresponsive, made me hang up s many calls). Echo on calls, battery life... Also, I know everyone loves X, but is it really the best choice for a low powered device that needs a responsive UI? Anyway, I guess what I'm saying is that whilst I love the ideals, it's basically become a toy rather than a phone, until such time as android is available. And I feel really bad for saying that because I so want a small, community involved, properly open platform to be a reality, and I know you guys are doing a lot of work, it's just not ready for prime-time yet. I think maybe I had the wrong impression about the state of the software when I bought it. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/The-forbidden-topic%3A-Glamo-OpenGL-tp1495995p1498709.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)
Jacob Peterson wrote: I know the buzzing issue had quite a bit of attention from the Openmoko team, judging from watching the traffic on the Hardware and Kernel mailing lists. So I don't think they have given up on that, but it doesn't seem like there is any set solution for current devices, only anecdotal reports of alsa volume tweaks. I've not actually suffered the infamous buzzing, my problem was that, mostly on incoming calls, the other party had their words echoed back to them at full volume a second or so after they spoke. One of the 2008 updates fixed it, but then it came back in the next one. I've tried using various folks' gsmhandset.state files to no avail, in fact some of them killed sound altogether. Android doesn't seem to suffer from it, but of course I've only been able to make outgoing calls. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/The-forbidden-topic%3A-Glamo-OpenGL-tp1495995p1499227.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Jacob Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know the buzzing issue had quite a bit of attention from the Openmoko team, judging from watching the traffic on the Hardware and Kernel mailing lists. So I don't think they have given up on that, but it doesn't seem like there is any set solution for current devices, only anecdotal reports of alsa volume tweaks. Anecdotally I can also report that with a little soldering you can get rid of the buzz. It is not for the faint of heart and is detailed in this thread: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2008-October/000775.html -- Angus Ainslie http://www.handheldshell.com/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL
I run Mesa on my FR without any problem, aside from the possible slowness of it, but then again, its pretty similar in performance to any 400 mhz box I have used in the past. I can only presume this complaint laments the lack of hardware acceleration for the OpenGL calls. How complex can that be to achieve? Yorick Moko wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jacob, Glamo is not a forbidden topic. Having said that, if someone wants to seriously develop for the glamo, please get in touch with me and we will find a legally correct way to extend the smedia documentation to you. In fact we have done that in a few cases before already, but I'm not sure how much actual codes have come out of that. I think very little ;-) So we need some really serious coders that don't mind a tough challenge. Best Regards, Wolfgang wow, this is the first I hear about this I don't think it is very well know in the community. Maybe somebody can put a notification on the main page of the wiki about it? y ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Iain B. Findleton Tel: 514-457-0744 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WSOD (ticket #1841) (unofficial) survey question
On Thursday 13 November 2008 09:14:01 grslmpf wrote: ... Mayby the Glamo will work only partly caused by a bad reset? I've experienced the WSOD about three times in the last six months on a Neo 1973. It only appears if I use an X server (I've never seen in on Qtopia). Since the 1973 doesn't have Glamo, the source of the problem probably lies elsewhere. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WSOD (ticket #1841) (unofficial) survey question
Mayby the Glamo will work only partly caused by a bad reset? I've experienced the WSOD about three times in the last six months on a Neo 1973. It only appears if I use an X server (I've never seen in on Qtopia). Since the 1973 doesn't have Glamo, the source of the problem probably lies elsewhere. Or maybe you had another problem on your Neo 1973. dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WSOD (ticket #1841) (unofficial) survey question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On Thursday 13 November 2008 09:14:01 grslmpf wrote: | ... | Mayby the Glamo will work only partly caused by a bad reset? | I've experienced the WSOD about three times in the last six months on | a Neo 1973. It only appears if I use an X server (I've never seen in on | Qtopia). Since the 1973 doesn't have Glamo, the source of the problem probably | lies elsewhere. There has been more than one problem flying around... WSOD is typically caused by unconfigured or misconfigured jbt6k74 ASIC inside the LCM, which takes an SPI connection on both GTA01 and GTA02. On the stable-tracking branch now you should be able to recover from a WSOD by this: ~ echo 1 /sys/bus/spi/drivers/jbt6k74/spi2.0/reset If you're interested to try it on GTA02 anyway you can get an image here: http://people.openmoko.org/andy/uImage-moredrivers-GTA02_stable-tracking_35e59a5529403296-GTA02.bin You'll probably need Qi to start it unless you want to meddle with U-Boot env (DFU this into U-Boot partition, you can use NOR U-Boot to replace or update it) http://people.openmoko.org/andy/qi-s3c2442-andy_589233efbd0792b8.udfu - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkkduMUACgkQOjLpvpq7dMoxHQCfT8uJa4pWoAmFxNlzZP5QPkRn mgIAnR4p4orOrcDaEy0+6ajEDo90DwtT =MFsp -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: testing report (with hardware conclusion)
On Friday 14 November 2008, Wendy wrote: Feel free to ask questions. :) Hi! What about the echo? Any reports on that issue? Cheers, Florian -- DI Florian Hackenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.hackenberger.at ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GPRS Issues - Related to infamous 'buzz'?
Hi all, Since my FR has been working as a pretty reliable phone since I installed QtE 4.4.2, I decided to get greedy and see if I could get GPRS working. Note that I've been lucky, and have never suffered from the buzz issues that I've heard so many people talk about. So on QtE, I went to the internet application and added a GPRS connection, and then went off looking for the APN and login information for my carrier. Someone called me, and when I answered the phone, I heard a deafeningly loud sound very much like a modem about to connect. I hung up, and the person called back, only to get the same reaction. I had to get the caller ID off the FR and call them back on a landline. The good news is that once I found the connection info and got connected to GPRS (which worked flawlessly, BTW), the loud modem noise went away, but it was replaced by a loud, rather annoying buzz in the background. So I guess 2 questions: 1) Is it normal to hear a loud modem noise when someone calls with GPRS enabled, but not connected? Is there anything that can be done about this? 2) Is the buzz I hear with GPRS connected the same buzz I've heard so much talk about? I suspect this is related to the hardware, not the distro I'm running, so I'm not going to tag this as 'QtExtended'... Warren ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WSOD (ticket #1841) (unofficial) survey question
| ... | Mayby the Glamo will work only partly caused by a bad reset? | I've experienced the WSOD about three times in the last six months on | a Neo 1973. It only appears if I use an X server (I've never seen in on | Qtopia). Since the 1973 doesn't have Glamo, the source of the problem probably | lies elsewhere. There has been more than one problem flying around... WSOD is typically caused by unconfigured or misconfigured jbt6k74 ASIC inside the LCM, which takes an SPI connection on both GTA01 and GTA02. On the stable-tracking branch now you should be able to recover from a WSOD by this: ~ echo 1 /sys/bus/spi/drivers/jbt6k74/spi2.0/reset If you're interested to try it on GTA02 anyway you can get an image here: http://people.openmoko.org/andy/uImage-moredrivers-GTA02_stable-tracking_35e59a5529403296-GTA02.bin You'll probably need Qi to start it unless you want to meddle with U-Boot env (DFU this into U-Boot partition, you can use NOR U-Boot to replace or update it) http://people.openmoko.org/andy/qi-s3c2442-andy_589233efbd0792b8.udfu Andy, thank you, downloading now, will report back later :) Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WSOD (ticket #1841) (unofficial) survey question
I just installed the 2008.9 kernel and the latest FDOM jffs2 as in: http://files.tdobson.net/openmoko/freerunner/fdom/Fat_and_Dirty_OM.200809_20081023.rootfs.jffs2 I just checked and the 2008.9 is no longer available! About 2 weeks ago I downloaded from: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.9/ a file named: Om2008.9.uImage.bin did help to my wsod and i am not surprised.. will test andy's images now, cheers Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL
2008/11/14 Tim Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:11 AM, Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Openmoko actually has learnt a lot from this. First we have learnt to not trust high-level promises as much as before. In fact I would go as far as saying that going forward, we will not trust any promises about 'we will open this up later' anymore. Either it's open and documented at the time we make the decision to use those chips, or we look elsewhere. I believe that's what our customers want. Agreed, and awesome. We have a long way to go to come out with kick-ass open phone hardware, but if our community doesn't loose faith and continues to do development together with us, we'll get there. The momentum we have built with the Freerunner is awesome. Please continue to buy Freerunners and to develop for it, same is happening internally. The next phones will build on top of the free platform we have built together, the technology investment will carry over. *crosses fingers and hopes* Having said that, if someone wants to seriously develop for the glamo, please get in touch with me and we will find a legally correct way to extend the smedia documentation to you. In fact we have done that in a few cases before already, but I'm not sure how much actual codes have come out of that. I think very little ;-) So we need some really serious coders that don't mind a tough challenge. I am not a skilled developer, but I would be more than happy to organize, and participate in a traditional clean room re-implementation of the documentation. As a GTA02 owner, as a founding member of the Open Graphics Project, as a Director of the Open Hardware Foundation, I believe I have the resources to accomplish such a task. I'd love to try. Can we make it happen? --tim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Up for this request Wolfgang :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: (Debian) IceWm running!
Paul-8 wrote: Yes, it works. Fast! Including the openmoko-panel-plugin. See an example at http://www.nlpagan.net/images/img_3914.jpg (And no, that's not my cat ;-) Paul Hey Paul, (fellow GoT member ;-) ) Looks pretty good! I'm running IceWM as well, but how did you rotate the screen? The method described on the Debian page (editing xorg.conf) doesn't seem to work for me, is there anything I missed? And what about the matchbox-keyboard, for me, under IceWM it is way smaller (tiny!) than under XFCE, is this also the case with your IceWM or do you use some other onscreen keyboard? Cheers, Jeroen a.k.a. Tha_Man -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/%28Debian%29-IceWm-running%21-tp1498057p1499954.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: (Debian) IceWm running!
Hey Jeroen tha GoT Man! Looks pretty good! I'm running IceWM as well, but how did you rotate the screen? The method described on the Debian page (editing xorg.conf) doesn't seem to work for me, is there anything I missed? I did only edit xorg.conf and restarted X. It worked after that, no problem. And what about the matchbox-keyboard, for me, under IceWM it is way smaller (tiny!) than under XFCE, is this also the case with your IceWM or do you use some other onscreen keyboard? It's indeed the tiny one I have now. Not sure how I can make the larger one come up, there must be a way... Paul -- The things I want to know are in books; my best friend is the man who'll get me a book I ain't read. -Abraham Lincoln http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.10 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: (Debian) IceWm running!
Paul wrote: Hey Jeroen tha GoT Man! Looks pretty good! I'm running IceWM as well, but how did you rotate the screen? The method described on the Debian page (editing xorg.conf) doesn't seem to work for me, is there anything I missed? I did only edit xorg.conf and restarted X. It worked after that, no problem. And what about the matchbox-keyboard, for me, under IceWM it is way smaller (tiny!) than under XFCE, is this also the case with your IceWM or do you use some other onscreen keyboard? It's indeed the tiny one I have now. Not sure how I can make the larger one come up, there must be a way... Paul Here are efforts to do this without using x.org all together: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-November/035551.html Please also look into Illume keyboard of enlightenment, could that with with IceWm? Regards, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: (Debian) IceWm running!
Here are efforts to do this without using x.org all together: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-November/035551.html Please also look into Illume keyboard of enlightenment, could that with with IceWm? Nifty. Playthings for the weekend. Thank you!! Paul -- The things I want to know are in books; my best friend is the man who'll get me a book I ain't read. -Abraham Lincoln http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.10 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: RESEND(Wrong Thread): IMAGE/MP3 licensing issue.
- Tim Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact... if OpenMoko could make as much information available as possible about how much this has cost them - in lost productivity, lawyers fees, etc. - I'm sure it would help to galvanize more action among the community. FWIW as this was publicly announced and archived I submitted it as a Groklaw NewsPick (who knows, maybe PJ will pick it up as a main article) and blogged about it. I'll also pass it onto an open source friendly journalist friend of mine. Every little helps.. -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO M4 - nice GSM sound
Peter Mogensen wrote: Hi, Hi, I just wanted to congratulate the FSO team for their new images. Looking at FSO for the first time and was very nicely surprised by the interface. If this path is continued all will be well :) For the first time I have perfect sound over GSM. No echo, no buzz. Hmmm, congrats to you but that is still not the case for me and the only reason I can not use the Freerunner as my daily phone. After reading your message I couldn't wait to get FSO on my phone and interface wise I'm glad I did but concerning sound quality it is still a no go for me. Tweaking the parameters is not helping me. I really hope the Back to Basics team is giving this one a priority and that it will be solved in the near future. Michel -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzzing
- Torsten Sievers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What really is a joke and absolutly unacceptable for me is the Buzzing I'm puzzled about this buzzing, is this something that the other party only hears or are you hearing this yourself ? I've never experienced a buzzing on my end of my phone (GTA02, rev 5 I think, purchased July/August in the UK). I've been running Qt Extended 4.3.3-snapshot and 4.4.2 if that helps. cheers, Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzzing
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 22:26, Chris Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm puzzled about this buzzing, is this something that the other party only hears or are you hearing this yourself ? I've never experienced a buzzing on my end of my phone (GTA02, rev 5 I think, purchased July/August in the UK). I never experienced buzzing different from one in my Nokia 6230i with any software. I never experienced White Screen of Death. I experienced echo, but AT%N0187 works well. It seems that GTAs02v5 were lucky :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzzing
Chris Samuel wrote: Hi Chris, I'm puzzled about this buzzing, is this something that the other party only hears or are you hearing this yourself ? For the other party, and tweaking the gsmhandset.state is not helping (for me at least). I've never experienced a buzzing on my end of my phone (GTA02, rev 5 I think, purchased July/August in the UK). I've been running Qt Extended 4.3.3-snapshot and 4.4.2 if that helps. Maybe I should give that one a shot, all though I've read that it could be a hardware thing that needs a soldering device. Michel -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Raster's Alarm
I've put together an opkg of Raster's alarm app from his testing images. (also appears in latest SHR testing) The GUI and the wakerd service that actually handles the alarm. But there's a problem, and I'm hoping someone can see what I missed. Everything works find, EXCEPT the slider-button thingies to turn alarm on/off and repeat on/off. If they're set to on in the config file, then you can drag them to 'off', but you can never move them afterwards without manually editing the config file again. Basically, if they're 'off' they're immovable. http://newkirk.us/om/alarm_1_armv4t.ipk - NOT fully working, default state is 'alarm off' and GUI won't enable j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO M4 - nice GSM sound
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:24:15 +0100, Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Mogensen wrote: Hi, Hi, I just wanted to congratulate the FSO team for their new images. Looking at FSO for the first time and was very nicely surprised by the interface. If this path is continued all will be well :) For the first time I have perfect sound over GSM. No echo, no buzz. Hmmm, congrats to you but that is still not the case for me and the only reason I can not use the Freerunner as my daily phone. After reading your message I couldn't wait to get FSO on my phone and interface wise I'm glad I did but concerning sound quality it is still a no go for me. I too have noticed high-pitched buzz intermittently with weak GSM signal, and callers have complained loudly and repeatedly about echo. I tried FSO M4 for a few days and was quite happy with it overall (apart from echo), until for some reason (something I broke editing my way through /etc probably) it stopped registering GSM, always timed out trying to enable GSM via dbus. So I flashed the newest SHR in its place - which incorporates FSO M4 and suffers the buzz and echo as well. (NOT disparagement of FSO M4, just my itch to play with the newest SHR ;) j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL
After really digging the archives I came across one thread [1] that has a lot of good information on the limits of the Glamo and what has been tried already to get more usefulness out of it. I think it would be good to have some of the information from that thread on the wiki. Any suggestions on a good page for it? It seems for now, trying to work around the scrolling and clipping graphics as Lally mentioned might be the best course of action. A limited driver supporting OpenGL ES 1.1 at 320x240 resolution would still be nice, but that won't solve any of issues with the user interface. -Jacob [1] http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td19892|a19892 On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 12:09 AM, Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The biggest usability issue with the graphical performance on the Moko is scrolling/clipping graphics. If we had the ability to upload an image to the glamo, clip it, and then pan it in the clip rectangle, a lot of the perceived slowness wouldn't be a problem. As long as the controls were visually responsive, they can have old state. People can manage with controls that show old data, as long as they respond when you interact with them. A few custom GTK widgets that manage the glamo for this sort of thing (e.g. the large scroll window for applications, etc) would likely result in worlds of improvement. .. or, something fancier... but I think this'd be a great step forward. -ls On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Riccardo Centra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/11/14 Tim Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:11 AM, Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Openmoko actually has learnt a lot from this. First we have learnt to not trust high-level promises as much as before. In fact I would go as far as saying that going forward, we will not trust any promises about 'we will open this up later' anymore. Either it's open and documented at the time we make the decision to use those chips, or we look elsewhere. I believe that's what our customers want. Agreed, and awesome. We have a long way to go to come out with kick-ass open phone hardware, but if our community doesn't loose faith and continues to do development together with us, we'll get there. The momentum we have built with the Freerunner is awesome. Please continue to buy Freerunners and to develop for it, same is happening internally. The next phones will build on top of the free platform we have built together, the technology investment will carry over. *crosses fingers and hopes* Having said that, if someone wants to seriously develop for the glamo, please get in touch with me and we will find a legally correct way to extend the smedia documentation to you. In fact we have done that in a few cases before already, but I'm not sure how much actual codes have come out of that. I think very little ;-) So we need some really serious coders that don't mind a tough challenge. I am not a skilled developer, but I would be more than happy to organize, and participate in a traditional clean room re-implementation of the documentation. As a GTA02 owner, as a founding member of the Open Graphics Project, as a Director of the Open Hardware Foundation, I believe I have the resources to accomplish such a task. I'd love to try. Can we make it happen? --tim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Up for this request Wolfgang :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL
Jacob Peterson wrote: After really digging the archives I came across one thread [1] that has a lot of good information on the limits of the Glamo and what has been tried already to get more usefulness out of it. I think it would be good to have some of the information from that thread on the wiki. Any suggestions on a good page for it? [...] How about http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Glamo ? Kind regards, -- Lech Karol Pawłaszek ike You will never see me fall from grace [KoRn] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL
Tim Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a GTA02 owner, as a founding member of the Open Graphics Project, as a Director of the Open Hardware Foundation, I believe I have the resources to accomplish such a task. I'd love to try. Can we make it happen? I would love to contribute in some way here. I've been programming OpenGL for almost two years (programming generally for a LOT longer), and I'm slowly learning kernel programming. However, I appreciate that it's going to take a whole lot more than that to make this work... Tom -- Thomas White Department of Materials Science and Metallurgy Electron Microscopy Group (PhD Student) University of Cambridge / Downing College ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL
Wolfgang Spraul wrote: Openmoko actually has learnt a lot from this. First we have learnt to not trust high-level promises as much as before. In fact I would go as far as saying that going forward, we will not trust any promises about 'we will open this up later' anymore. Either it's open and documented at the time we make the decision to use those chips, or we look elsewhere. I believe that's what our customers want. I read in the development list archive a big discussion about whether customers/enduser/developers would accept non-free bits to things like the wifi. I didn't subscribe because the list is very developer orientated so I don't know what the end result was, however I hope, in light of this thread, someone can reveal it ended favourably. :) We have a long way to go to come out with kick-ass open phone hardware, but if our community doesn't loose faith and continues to do development together with us, we'll get there. The momentum we have built with the Freerunner is awesome. Please continue to buy Freerunners and to develop for it, same is happening internally. The next phones will build on top of the free platform we have built together, the technology investment will carry over. Keep doing what you are doing, there are problems, there will continue to be problems... lets not get demoralised but look forward to GTA 3 (do what you can but try not to let my hair turn grey first! ;) ) and if anything can be done about the glamo chip by engaging smedia, I would love openmoko to give it a try. :) If there is anything people who aren't skilled developers, who have no money(!), can do other than what we are already doing, please let us know. :) Finally, thanks for engaging with the community it's nice to get some feedback even if it isn't all good news[1]. Cheers Tim [1] I *would* be really interested to know Openmoko's original projected sales figures for GTA02 and current sales so far! I guess this probably isn't possible but nobody gets hurt asking! -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL
Wolfgang Spraul wrote: Having said that, if someone wants to seriously develop for the glamo, please get in touch with me and we will find a legally correct way to extend the smedia documentation to you. In fact we have done that in a few cases before already, but I'm not sure how much actual codes have come out of that. I think very little ;-) So we need some really serious coders that don't mind a tough challenge. Reading this makes me so happy... If I don't remember wrong, some months ago some users asked how to help in this, but I don't know if they were contacted or not. Now I can't find the mails, but I remember I've read them here or in devel (or maybe kernel) list... I just hope that you could find someone that would like working in this; as written before, maybe we could ask for a collaboration to the DRI/Mesa developers... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] How to power off Wifi?
FilipBE wrote: I was able to disable/re-enable wifi with following lines, I did however not have the time to check the impact on battery life # using Atheros wmiconfig command to disable wlan ./wmiconfig -i eth0 --wlan disable # To re-enable wlan: ./wmiconfig -i eth0 --wlan enable # set re-association mode 0 : do send disassoc when reassociation ./wmiconfig -i eth0 --setreassocmode 0 # now try to reconnect wlan using gui iwlist eth0 scan Thanks they works well for disabling the interface! Have you now done some tests about the impact on the battery life? Would you suggest to run the --wlan disable command on boot too? Btw I was able to re-associate to my AP only once... :( Bye... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Flashing Neo
Dear all, Is there a problem if i flash my neo too many times? because i have done around 20 times in a week time.. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Font size problem #2
I am running FDOM and I think that font sizes are being handled wrongly. Here is what I think is happening. Could someone who knows more about this correct any details that are wrong. It seems that the standard font size in desktop computers is 12 points, which means that the characters are 1/6 inch high. This is too big for the FR, which has only a small screen (in inches). So the default font size has been set (somewhere, I wish I knew where) to 5. This has the right effect on the character size, but I claim it is the wrong way to solve the problem. This becomes apparent when you ssh -Y into the FR from a desktop computer. The default font then appears unreadably small. The correct solution is to decide that dpi means pixels per apparent inch. Because we look at the FR from much closer than we do a desktop screen, the dpi that we set in /etc/X11/xorg.conf should be somewhat less than the physical pixels per inch. I estimate that I see a desktop screen from about 25 inches, and the FR from about 10 inches. So the FR should be set to about 110 dpi. This would have about the same effect as using a font size of 5 points. Michael --- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Font size problem #2
On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:52:08 -0500 Michael Mather [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: i absolutely agree. scaling with dpi is short-sightned and too simplisitc as you are right - it is not just scaling to dpi BUT scaling to the visual field that the display would consume - ie how many % of your field of vision does 1 pixel use... not dpi! :) that's why in e/efl/elementary i use a scaling factor. this is entirely user-adjustable and simple scales the default sizes of stuff compared to their normal config settings. (eg if normally the font is 10 pixels - and you have a scaling of 2.0 - u'll get a 20 pixel font - same for any other elements marked as scalable such as fixed sizes of icons etc.). the scaling factor is the important thing here - and really that should just be a user-adjustable value (the default setup would scale to some reasonable value based on what one might expect the eyesight of an average user to be as well as distance from eyes one would expect usage to occur at, but users that have better or worse eyesight, use the device closer or further from their eyes, can fiddle with it). unfortunately... this is something that gtk and qt need to do differently so you need to fake a dpi to them so they think u are at another dpi. efl doesn't care about dpi and just uses the scaling factor (you can keep dpi intact if you want for times when u actually want something to be a physical size). I am running FDOM and I think that font sizes are being handled wrongly. Here is what I think is happening. Could someone who knows more about this correct any details that are wrong. It seems that the standard font size in desktop computers is 12 points, which means that the characters are 1/6 inch high. This is too big for the FR, which has only a small screen (in inches). So the default font size has been set (somewhere, I wish I knew where) to 5. This has the right effect on the character size, but I claim it is the wrong way to solve the problem. This becomes apparent when you ssh -Y into the FR from a desktop computer. The default font then appears unreadably small. The correct solution is to decide that dpi means pixels per apparent inch. Because we look at the FR from much closer than we do a desktop screen, the dpi that we set in /etc/X11/xorg.conf should be somewhat less than the physical pixels per inch. I estimate that I see a desktop screen from about 25 inches, and the FR from about 10 inches. So the FR should be set to about 110 dpi. This would have about the same effect as using a font size of 5 points. Michael --- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL
On 14 Nov 2008, at 16:10, Minh Ha Duong wrote: Le vendredi 14 novembre 2008, Yorick Moko a écrit : On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jacob, Glamo is not a forbidden topic. Having said that, if someone wants to seriously develop for the glamo, please get in touch with me and we will find a legally correct way to extend the smedia documentation to you. In fact we have done that in a few cases before already, but I'm not sure how much actual codes have come out of that. I think very little ;-) So we need some really serious coders that don't mind a tough challenge. Best Regards, Wolfgang wow, this is the first I hear about this I don't think it is very well know in the community. Maybe somebody can put a notification on the main page of the wiki about it? To say what ? I thought that was obvious from what you quoted. But in case it isn't: PROGRAMMERS WANTED Must have low-level graphics experience. Apply here. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)
On Friday 14 Nov 2008 8:13:20 pm Gothnet wrote: Also, I know everyone loves X, but is it really the best choice for a low powered device that needs a responsive UI? I am just curious about this. I hope someone can comment on this. My thought is that X is used because most apps that already exist on the desktop can be used here and the applications remain portable. I still would like to know more in terms of performance and memory consumption and scalability. -- Cheers! Kishore ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)
On 15 Nov 2008, at 07:08, Kishore wrote: On Friday 14 Nov 2008 8:13:20 pm Gothnet wrote: Also, I know everyone loves X, but is it really the best choice for a low powered device that needs a responsive UI? ... I still would like to know more in terms of performance and memory consumption and scalability. You guys should search some of Raster's previous posts on this subject. Although you may have to go through quite a lot of posts to find his comments (!), I think you will find he has stated more than once that the performance of X is much maligned (as long as programmers are sensible and use appropriate practices). Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
