Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
Hey! I gave QTExtended 4.4.2 another go and you were right. It really is the best option to use the FR as a basic phone atm. I'm not sure why I didn't like it after flashing it the first time. I think I had some issues with suspending. Haven't had any problems with it so far, using the om-testing kernel. The echo isn't so bad either, but still there. I haven't tried to tweak the state-files yet. Addressbook and Calender work too. Some other first impressions: - Timezone isn't set after one changes it in the initial setup - Alarm doesn't ring when phone is suspended - Does someone know a way to turn of word prediction in the handwriting input style? Best regards, Chris Warren Baird wrote: On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Christoph Siegenthaler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Slowly but steadily my enthusiasm for the FR is vanishing. I was at least hoping to be able to use my freerunner as a basic phone after 5 months... Sorry if I'm repeating myself here - but try QTExtended 4.4.2 - it's not perfect, and I do miss having all of the funky X based software from the OM2008 based stacks, but as a basic phone, it works quite well, and I get 36-48 hour battery life... Warren ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Optimization-team-update-%2811-30-%7E-12-06%29-tp1625647p1628198.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: microsSD doesn't mount any more!
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Tony Berth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | When in BootLoader, shows that there is a card of 3MB and when I | boot with the latest 2008.9 jffs I get following dmesg output: U-Boot driver doesn't understand enough SHDC to get this right, but it doesn't hurt anything unless you try to get U-Boot to touch anything above 4GB. | | [ 30.365000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 8 Are there some glamo-mci errors floating around before that? - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkk5MHYACgkQOjLpvpq7dMrj9QCfbXf7x2O6jtB0X+SfRTv/0e8k M2gAnjxeXYIDq53UrZC+mcAhm1zI02fR =jDld -END PGP SIGNATURE- here it is: --- [ 30.225000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8020 [ 30.225000] mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command [ 30.23] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0 [ 30.23] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 0 [ 30.24] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x20 [ 30.24] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x120 [ 30.245000] mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command [ 30.25] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 8 [ 30.25] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 1 [ 30.255000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8020 [ 30.255000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8122 [ 30.26] mmcblk0: error -84 sending read/write command [ 30.265000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 16 [ 30.265000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 2 [ 30.27] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x20 [ 30.275000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x122 [ 30.28] mmcblk0: error -84 sending read/write command [ 30.285000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 24 [ 30.285000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 3 [ 30.30] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8020 [ 30.30] mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command [ 30.305000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0 [ 30.305000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 0 [ 30.36] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x20 [ 30.36] mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command [ 30.365000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 64 [ 30.365000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 8 [ 34.83] FAT: bogus logical sector size 65535 [ 34.83] VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev mmcblk0. [ 34.84] FAT: bogus logical sector size 65535 [ 34.84] VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev mmcblk0. Thanks some more feedback: I did format my card with 'http://www.sdcard.org/consumers/formatter/' but still doesn't work on FR. I get following dmesg: --- [ 73.055000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8020 [ 73.055000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8120 [ 73.06] mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command [ 73.065000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0 [ 73.065000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 0 [ 73.07] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x20 [ 73.07] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x122 [ 73.075000] mmcblk0: error -84 sending read/write command [ 73.08] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 8 [ 73.08] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 1 [ 73.09] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8020 [ 73.09] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8122 [ 73.095000] mmcblk0: error -84 sending read/write command [ 73.10] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 16 [ 73.10] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 2 [ 73.105000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x20 [ 73.105000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x122 [ 73.11] mmcblk0: error -84 sending read/write command [ 73.115000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 24 [ 73.115000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 3 [ 73.125000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8020 [ 73.125000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8122 [ 73.13] mmcblk0: error -84 sending read/write command [ 73.135000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0 [ 73.135000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 0 -- any help? Thanks Tony ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Funding Global Domination Mk II The Console
Sorry about this but I had another thought on this subject after the T-Shirt thread. This one might be a bit less easy ;-) Hats off to OM for producing Open Hardware for programmers to create their ideas on. It's has been a noble effort and I hope it continues. I was thinking that the choice of Open Platform (Mobile Phone) was perhaps one of the most difficult choices that they could have made as very little Open software existed out there when they started. There are a lot of imaginative people in the community and in the fullness of time this is going to be brilliant. I was thinking that one possible area where an open platform is needed is The Console. I've heard of a lot of people getting the original Microsoft xBox to hack it so that they can run unsigned code in the box. They then run XBMC in it. It seems such a shame that you have to buy a M$ games console to run an open source Media Centre. Along the same lines a few years ago I spent months trying get MythTV running in an old Desktop to enable me to record TV. What can I say I never quite made it. Now to my knowledge the original xBox was not too far removed from a regular PC in nice plastics. It had TV out instead of a regular monitor connection. That is perhaps an an area of difficulty as perhaps different countries run different TV protocols. Anyhow some day I'd like to put together some hardware that could run MythTV, XBMC maybe have a huge Terabyte of storage and act as a file server as well. Maybe it could run Linux games as well and various emulators. Yes what Linux games ;-) So you'd have a PC Motherboard, TV out don't know what standard. Do all modern TV's take the same digital connection all over the world? Then you'll have a TV in signal for recording TV. Again I've no idea if that would mean different hardware all over the world. Ethernet, USB, Remote control. Nice plastics. A few companies have toyed with the idea of producing Open Console but to my knowledge nobody has ever really done it well. Yes there are various communities out there and that if anything shows that there has always been this need. The last thing I'd want is for OM to dilute their effort on the FR but maybe someday they could become the name in OpenHardware. OpenMoko Purveyors of OpenHardware since the start of the new millennium ;-) Maybe I should join the Open Game Console Consortium and get some hardware specs and put my own console together that might take some time so if OM beat me to it I'll certainly buy their kit again. Later ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
GTK support seems mildly improved in the testing release, but I'm still having big troubles with it. Note, that relatively simple GTK apps, such as TangoGPS work without issue. We're running a complex GTK app: http://gvsigmobileonopenmoko.wordpress.com/ It works perfectly on 2007.2, but on 2008.x releases it suffers from multiple problems; layouting and stability seem to the big ones. It is improved when running on the latest testing release, but still not up to the standard of GTK applications on 2007.2. We were promised that we wouldn't need to worry about Openmoko moving away from GTK as the latest releases would still run GTK applications. However performance is clearly below an acceptable level. I will be filing bugs ASAP and would be very interested in hearing comments from others. If anyone would like a copy of the gvSIG Mobile ipk for testing, please let me know. Thanks, Joseph 2008/11/30 John Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dear Community, As Sushama (our new testing team member) indicated in http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/003493.html , we won't have a release in Nov. Currently the testing team is going to do a full test on the latest testing image. It has all the goodies we did and a lot of improvements over Om2008.9, so please try it and report any error you find. Upgrade howto: From Om2008.9 it's recommanded to upgrade with the following steps: sed -i -e 's%Om2008.8%testing%' /etc/opkg/*.conf /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop screen -DR opkg update opkg -force-overwrite upgrade # (please ans Y to all questions) # (the sshd (dropbear) will restart, so you need to reconnect and do # 'screen -DR' again) opkg upgrade shutdown -r now To get the fastest boot time you also need to remove the following packages: opkg remove task-base-nfs task-base-smbfs task-base-bluetooth \ task-base-usbgadget avahi-daemon avahi-autoipd blueprobe \ usb-gadget-mode portmap exquisite exquisite-theme-freerunner \ exquisite-themes Known issues: * GTK redraw problem * some obsolete kernel modules still left in system * must remove 'ro' in kernel boot parameter if you use sd boot. * will purge your incompatible e config, so you might need to set stuffs like suspend time again. Echo: Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, a6, a7), it's impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all models. However, it seems you can always find appropriate values for your neo. My way is to adjust control.4 Speaker Playback Volume in /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state the max value is 127, 95 works best on my a5. With volume level 3 or 4 in qtopia dialer, the other side can hear no echo while I get good audio quality. Team update: Tick helped to put his touchscreen improvement into stable-tracking, he will work on opkg internals next. Olv moved to look into kernel and fso. Erin will try bluetooth. Julian is working on the GTK redraw issue, please help him out. Jeremy will fix some qtopia bugs and keep working on suspend/resume issues. Regards, John ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[android] Unable to read long SMS messages
Hi, I've been using android on my freerunner for a few days now, the original image and the latest image and both seem to have a problem displaying SMS messages that go over a few words. Has anyone else experienced this problem, or do most of you just avoid txting? I'm afraid it's an essential requirement of my phone almost more so than being able to place and receive calls. I've had a quick poke about on the adb shell but data/data/com.google.android.providers.telephony/databases/sms.db appears to be empty. Can anyone point me in the direction of where SMS's are stored, unfortunately it doesn't look like it's going to be all that simple. The phone also refuses to send SMS messages, if I attempt to do so the gsm connection is dropped and sometimes it can be a pain in the arse getting it back. All in all though, (IMHO) Android is looking the more promising and I'd like to stick with it. Cheers ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FTP Client
Crystal Ball? This question is not specific to a distro flavor. FSO or OM2008, Openmoko, Qtopia. An ARM port of a ftp client... Just curious if someone else has done the work already, if not I want to get one ported. Scott arne anka wrote: sorry, my crystal ball just broke ... please, prefix the subject with your distribution! it's not only a matter of politeness but, with the plethora of distributions available, a pure necessity to help people to help you! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/FTP-Client-tp1627481p1628969.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
Am 08.12.2008 um 13:38 schrieb Joseph Reeves: GTK support seems mildly improved in the testing release, but I'm still having big troubles with it. Note, that relatively simple GTK apps, such as TangoGPS work without issue. We're running a complex GTK app: http://gvsigmobileonopenmoko.wordpress.com/ It works perfectly on 2007.2, but on 2008.x releases it suffers from multiple problems; layouting and stability seem to the big ones. It is improved when running on the latest testing release, but still not up to the standard of GTK applications on 2007.2. We were promised that we wouldn't need to worry about Openmoko moving away from GTK as the latest releases would still run GTK applications. However performance is clearly below an acceptable level. Yes, please file bugs. Please also attach the versions of cairo, gtk+, glib, pango from Om2007.2 and Om2008.8. Did you try to use a different theme engine? Is that changing the performance? z. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
perl for OM
Hello. Has anyone managed to compile perl for FR? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FTP Client
http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/yet_another_openmoko_ftp_client 2008/12/8 SCarlson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Crystal Ball? This question is not specific to a distro flavor. FSO or OM2008, Openmoko, Qtopia. An ARM port of a ftp client... Just curious if someone else has done the work already, if not I want to get one ported. Scott arne anka wrote: sorry, my crystal ball just broke ... please, prefix the subject with your distribution! it's not only a matter of politeness but, with the plethora of distributions available, a pure necessity to help people to help you! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/FTP-Client-tp1627481p1628969.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: perl for OM
On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 16:20 +0300, Ivan Shirokoff wrote: Hello. Has anyone managed to compile perl for FR? Yes it successfully compiles in OE, so if you log a feature request bug and request it get added to official feeds it should become available. Graeme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: microsSD doesn't mount any more!
2008/12/8 Tony Berth [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | [ 30.365000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 8 Are there some glamo-mci errors floating around before that? some more feedback: I did format my card with 'http://www.sdcard.org/consumers/formatter/' but still doesn't work on FR. I get following dmesg: [ 73.055000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8020 [ 73.055000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8120 [ 73.06] mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command [ 73.065000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0 [ 73.065000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 0 ... I suffered (and to some extent still suffering) with similar troubles and ended up completely blank SD card with dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/mmcblk0 command, and then repartition it with fdisk as described in wiki[1]. Also you can try slowing down glamo rate for SD access by getting some hints from[2], although the latter trick has to deal with another problem. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Partioning_the_SD_card [2] http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743#comment:4 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wifi using GUI in 2008.9
My accesspoint is configured in wpa_supplicant, but the gui keeps asking me for the key. Should I just not fill it in then? dunno. never used any gui for wlan on the fr. but i'd expect any gui to checl with wpa_supplicant.conf first -- what your gui obviously not does. maybe grepping either in your home directory or in /etc (since 2008.9 probably lets run you the fr as root) for the name of your ap might reveal a file which you could monitor? but soem of these password helpers use to store passwords after successful login only, so you're probaly forced to type the correct phrase. you could, though, put the phrase in a file, scp it to the fra nd try if cp will work. last idea: bug the developers of the gui. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SD boot, mounting phone
Now that all of this can happen, how do I mount the phone, so I can edit the phone back to default? doesn't your /etc/fstab contain an entry for /mnt/flash or so? from installing debian on sd i got /dev/mtdblock6 /mnt/flash jffs2 defaults,noatime,noauto 0 2 which mounts the internal flash -- not sure, though, how stable the device name is ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: messed everything mixing repositories?
please, prefix the subject with your distribution! it's not only a matter of politeness but, with the plethora of distributions available, a pure necessity to help people to help you! if you're still using 2007.2 flash something more recent -- 2007.2 is dead. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [u-boot] Environment garbled after setenv?
On Monday 08 December 2008, Evgeniy Karyakin wrote: Al Johnson: On Sunday 07 December 2008, Evgeniy Karyakin wrote: Joachim Breitner: AFAIR, the NOR uboot and the NAND uboot don’t share the environment – is that right? Then I don't know what u-boot_env points to. If we update NAND environment and then boot with the help of NOR menu, I don't see a point. Frankly I never tried NAND, maybe I should now. The NOR uboot environment is stored in NOR, and you can't change it unless you have a debug board. This is intentional as the NOR uboot is there to stop you being able to brick your phone, and it wouldn't be much good at that if you could wipe its environment. You should usually be using the NAND uboot which keeps its environment in NAND in the u-boot_env area. This explains everything, Al, thanks. So when I use a terminal to get into U-Boot console, I interact with NOR machinery, and u-boot_env storage is really in NAND field; that makes a point. There's a bit more to it than that. As I understand it there are two entirely separate instances of uboot, each with separate environment storage. You can get into the uboot console of either of them, depending on which one you start. NOR: Press and old Aux, then press and hold Power. NOR uboot menu should appear in ~2s. Environment is loaded from NOR storage. If you connect to the console you can edit the environment for that session, but you can't save the changes. This is so you always have a working uboot that will enable you to reload the NAND uboot and its environment, or replace it with an alternative bootloader such as Qi. NAND: Press and hold Power then press and hold Aux. NAND uboot menu should appear in ~10s. Environment is loaded from NAND storage. If you connect to the console you can edit the environment and save the changes back to NAND. Normal boot (just the power button) uses the default boot option for the NAND uboot. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: perl for OM
Graeme Gregory пишет: On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 16:20 +0300, Ivan Shirokoff wrote: Hello. Has anyone managed to compile perl for FR? Yes it successfully compiles in OE, so if you log a feature request bug and request it get added to official feeds it should become available. Graeme Sorry for asking. But what OE stands for? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: perl for OM
On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 16:43 +0300, Ivan Shirokoff wrote: Graeme Gregory пишет: On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 16:20 +0300, Ivan Shirokoff wrote: Hello. Has anyone managed to compile perl for FR? Yes it successfully compiles in OE, so if you log a feature request bug and request it get added to official feeds it should become available. Graeme Sorry for asking. But what OE stands for? OpenEmbedded, the build system that OM uses. There is an awful lot more software in OE than what is officially supported by OM. Graeme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FTP Client
sorry, my crystal ball just broke ... please, prefix the subject with your distribution! it's not only a matter of politeness but, with the plethora of distributions available, a pure necessity to help people to help you! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 7:01:48 pm Christoph Siegenthaler wrote: The echo isn't so bad either, but still there. Yeah, it only tries to set the echo suppression for outgoing calls. I tried to patch it to set it for incoming calls as well but without any success. I also find that mine goes into speakerphone occasionally for incoming calls which is, umm, inconvenient, shall we say.. :-) Addressbook and Calender work too. Yup! Some other first impressions: - Timezone isn't set after one changes it in the initial setup The Qtopia folks image is a bit broken sadly, I'm using the one that Morten put together here: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1437402i40 I do wish they'd post a fixed one! - Alarm doesn't ring when phone is suspended Yeah, I can confirm that. - Does someone know a way to turn of word prediction in the handwriting input style? This should do it (not tried it myself yet): http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_/_Qt_Extended_on_FreeRunner#Internationalization cheers! Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [android] Unable to read long SMS messages
hey, i tried to install on my freeRunner, but after installing it is not woking, if any one know the correct binary for android then kindly send link, or process! thanks and regard imran On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Andy Kilner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've been using android on my freerunner for a few days now, the original image and the latest image and both seem to have a problem displaying SMS messages that go over a few words. Has anyone else experienced this problem, or do most of you just avoid txting? I'm afraid it's an essential requirement of my phone almost more so than being able to place and receive calls. I've had a quick poke about on the adb shell but data/data/com.google.android.providers.telephony/databases/sms.db appears to be empty. Can anyone point me in the direction of where SMS's are stored, unfortunately it doesn't look like it's going to be all that simple. The phone also refuses to send SMS messages, if I attempt to do so the gsm connection is dropped and sometimes it can be a pain in the arse getting it back. All in all though, (IMHO) Android is looking the more promising and I'd like to stick with it. Cheers ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FTP Client
Graeme Gregory wrote: On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 05:10 -0800, SCarlson wrote: Crystal Ball? This question is not specific to a distro flavor. FSO or OM2008, Openmoko, Qtopia. An ARM port of a ftp client... Just curious if someone else has done the work already, if not I want to get one ported. There are numerous ftp clients already in OE. What specific features do you search for? GUI? If its just a basic command line one then file a feature request bug to get it added to official feeds. I use Debian and there i got many ftp clients from console to gui. For example ncftp or filezilla, everything is there and they also should work with other distributions on the freerunner. Ciao, Rainer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM kernel newbie] Error building kernel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Hi, | | I've been trying to compile openmoko kernel and I can't even start | because of this dummy error: | - - | $ ./build dummy | scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig | | scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig | CHK include/linux/version.h | /bin/sh: Syntax error: ( unexpected This is coming out of not having a branch initialized in git I think you'll find. Try git branch in that dir and you'll see some error in parenthesis. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkk894QACgkQOjLpvpq7dMrRNQCgiF7+GSvktTuf3oYfVQe1JMOj PioAnj6jOvBPjm0WZ1KQdvUqh71/4uto =du99 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SD boot, mounting phone
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | This is not listed in the wiki. | | I can successfully boot from the SD card, using Hackable:1 (thanks | folkes), and ssh into the SD card (thanks Arne, clare, Christopher Joel). | | Now that all of this can happen, how do I mount the phone, so I can edit | the phone back to default? What do you mean by mount the phone? Which filesystem are you thinking about mounting and editing? If it is one on the SD card, then the best thing to do is pop the SD Card out and meddle with it on a PC via a card reader. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkk89vEACgkQOjLpvpq7dMpL3ACfZ7+JhGyx1JkQHGhuKT/iL7TE 1mMAnRWo8pu75cTx2oFjYqEUiVsjmLmE =JasM -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [android] Unable to read long SMS messages
Hi Andy, What would be really helpful is to have it plugged into a linux host and run the command ADBHOST=neo ./adb logcat -b radio This assumes you have your host setup to connect usb over ethernet and have neo set to the proper IP. Andy Kilner wrote: Hi, I've been using android on my freerunner for a few days now, the original image and the latest image and both seem to have a problem displaying SMS messages that go over a few words. Has anyone else experienced this problem, or do most of you just avoid txting? I'm afraid it's an essential requirement of my phone almost more so than being able to place and receive calls. I've had a quick poke about on the adb shell but data/data/com.google.android.providers.telephony/databases/sms.db appears to be empty. Can anyone point me in the direction of where SMS's are stored, unfortunately it doesn't look like it's going to be all that simple. The phone also refuses to send SMS messages, if I attempt to do so the gsm connection is dropped and sometimes it can be a pain in the arse getting it back. All in all though, (IMHO) Android is looking the more promising and I'd like to stick with it. Cheers ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Funding Global Domination
Helge Hafting wrote: Arigead wrote: [...] Thanks for the info all, as Arne correctly spotted I was only interested in helping fund global domination, which does not come for free. I can design my own T Shirt and have it made but benefit to OM = Zero. Not interested in this at all. If OM have made it clear they are not into derived products then that answers the question I asked and the subject is closed. There is always the benefit of free marketing, when someone wear a shirt with openmoko or similiar on it. They may sell more phones. Or you could sell T-shirts, and collect some money to fund a developer for some time. Better software gives more sales. There are other ways of support than direct money transfer, if you're interested. Helge Hafting Don't rate my chances of selling T-Shirts Helge ;-) I'm a programmer of sorts but my hands have been sort of tied by my use of a eeePC 700. 8Gig ain't a lot to play with. Yesterday I finally got my new eeePC 1000 so I've got enough memory to make a stab at some coding. All I have to do is learn how to build the Kernel and FSO and I'm away. I'm leaving T-Shirts to the experts, but I'll be happy to buy the good ones. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Global domination
for your information: the 'underground' label is no longer associated with the 'pyneo-logo'. pyneo has its own online shop, you'll find it here: http://pyneo.org/t-shirt/ frank Christoph Pulster schrieb: At your urging we have opened a storefront to sell Openmoko merchandise. http://www.cafepress.com/openmoko_inc I suggest to add this shirt style: http://www.neo1973-germany.de/raw-attachment/wiki/ CommunityMemberOfTheMonth/shirt_front.JPG http://www.neo1973-germany.de/raw-attachment/wiki/ CommunityMemberOfTheMonth/shirt_back.JPG Chris ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
www.opkg.org - Update
Hello everyone! I finally found some time to work on www.opkg.org again. The biggest update is the launch of an API to access the packages database. There were also some other minor changes. For more details about the update and the API visit http://www.opkg.org/posting_2.html. Regards, Tobias ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SD boot, mounting phone
On Dec 8, 2008, at 2:29 AM, Andy Green wrote: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | This is not listed in the wiki. | | I can successfully boot from the SD card, using Hackable:1 (thanks | folkes), and ssh into the SD card (thanks Arne, clare, Christopher Joel). | | Now that all of this can happen, how do I mount the phone, so I can edit | the phone back to default? What do you mean by mount the phone? Which filesystem are you thinking about mounting and editing? If it is one on the SD card, then the best thing to do is pop the SD Card out and meddle with it on a PC via a card reader. - -Andy I'm booting from the SD card, attempting to unscrew the phone. If I can mount the phone, I can un-edit the /etc/network/interfaces file so I can ssh back into the phone, not the SD card. PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SD boot, mounting phone
On Dec 8, 2008, at 2:55 AM, arne anka wrote: Now that all of this can happen, how do I mount the phone, so I can edit the phone back to default? doesn't your /etc/fstab contain an entry for /mnt/flash or so? from installing debian on sd i got /dev/mtdblock6 /mnt/flash jffs2 defaults,noatime,noauto 0 2 which mounts the internal flash -- not sure, though, how stable the device name is ... I think I did see something like that. I will look later, and see what is there. Thanks PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
but what part of that 13% is caused by the absence of deep sleep (both for GSM and for lcd) ? this seemed to me something that had to be calculated/measured before removing it... (for the record: i have never had a WSOD, but I did have the re-registering bug) but i consider both as not fixed. it's a good workaround till there is a better one, but it should not be considered fixed. two/four kernels seems like a good idea On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | The problem is: | This is afaik not a fix but a workaround which costs battery power. | So I think there should be two kernels: | One with and one without this patch. There's a small hit on suspend current, but it is evidently pretty small since two users tested it overnight (9h) at a cost of 13% battery. On andy-tracking shortly we plan to take down the regulator supplying the LCM during suspend and solve it that way, if the LCM ASIC doesn't have any more surprises. Then it should even outperform the previous way with ASIC in Deep Sleep for current savings. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkk8JiAACgkQOjLpvpq7dMryxACgg62dTSnIgciVZm7jzh7FjpWs fnwAnRgysJnhIKBrW6neTPl3Sy+V/DFk =QuVy -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Call history
I am using Om2008.8 and my call history does not record the timestamp, when that callevent was. Does anybody know how I can fix it? By the way is it possible to alter the look of the contact detail view? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OMoney Milestone 1
Thomas Bumbl wrote: What do I want from you? * Feedback:Do you like the app or do you think the author has gone round the bend? What could be improved? Features you would like to see? How could one display the history more efficiently? * Patches:If you think a part of code is inefficient, too unflexible, incomplete, buggy, etc feel free to contribute a patch. Be kind, this is my first application with GUI Firstly you beat me to it ;-) this was one of two apps that I wanted in my phone and I started on the other one so now I get to use yours for expenses. I've only just installed it in fso m4 but I'll have more detailed look at it later on this evening and get back to you on it. In the mean time one thing that I'd really like is a smart phone, and I'd like your app to take advantage of the smarts. This is not really to do with your app as such but the FSO. I think it'd be as cool as if there was a project working on Context in the FSO and some app in which you could specify a new context based on gps coordinates, or wifi coverage, or whatever. I'm dull as and there are only so many places that I eat lunch when I'm at work. Given that fact your app should not have to ask me where I'm spending money. If I'm at the same co-ordinates that I spent my money twice last week it should have a fair idea that I'm in the cafe by the river. I'd not like to look at the history on the phone as even on that great screen I think you're on a hiding to nothing ;-) Create an app that will sit on the desktop and display you history in any number of ways. Use the FR for inputing the data on the spot and maybe give a summary on the phone but allow the user to really interrogate the data on the desktop. Maybe I'm getting even more anal in my old age but for some reason I wanted to have the FR recording my expenses in the coming year so that at the end of 2009 I could simply query how much did I spend in coffee last year? OK I AM getting more anal ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OMoney Milestone 1
hi bumbl, feedback: an edit/remove/remove all button would be handy see you on irc y On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Thomas Bumbl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to announce the initial release of OMoney! OMoney ... bookkeeping on the go. One might ask, why the hell do we need a bookkeeping software on a phone? Because my experience shows that if one does not record the gains and expenses one forgets half of them. And ... Because we can. As OMoney is one of those release early, release often programs milestone 1 at the moment includes only the following corefeatures: * Displays the current available amount of money * One can do transactions to add and deduce money * Automatic keyboard call * A history table which includes date, time, amount, purpose and location of the transaction * Basic error handling Downloadlink for the ipk: [1] More features will come soon: Currently I am implementing a settings dialog (to e.g. set the currency [at the moment one has to edit a constant in the omoney file]) For more planned features look at the project's bug tracker. From a technical point of view OMoney uses: * python * python-ecore * python-evas * python-edje * python-etk (for entry and table widget) * python-sqlite3 What do I want from you? * Feedback:Do you like the app or do you think the author has gone round the bend? What could be improved? Features you would like to see? How could one display the history more efficiently? * Patches:If you think a part of code is inefficient, too unflexible, incomplete, buggy, etc feel free to contribute a patch. Be kind, this is my first application with GUI I hope there are a few people who find this application useful. The sources and the bugtracker are located here [2] P.S.: Special thanks to Ainulindale for helping me with bitbake. And special thanks [1] http://omoney.googlecode.com/files/omoney_milestone1-1-r0_armv4t.ipk [2] http://code.google.com/p/omoney/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [android] Maps application
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 21:45, Jim Ancona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IANAL, but the SDK license agreement says Except to the extent required by applicable third party licenses, you may not load any part of the SDK onto a mobile handset or any other hardware device except a personal computer, combine any part of the SDK with other software, or distribute any software or device incorporating a part of the SDK. I would read that as prohibiting even installing anything from the SDK on your own phone, never mind distributing it. Yes, the point missing here is the applicable third party licence. (and it is not even really third party !). I see no reason why google would not allow the use of this API. Not open sourcing it is one thing, but it is an important piece of their framework, and their goal is to spread the use of android and its applications... Even if the API were available, Google's TOS are fairly restrictive (see http://code.google.com/android/maps-api-signup.html). In particular, you may not use the Service or Content with any products, systems, or applications for or in connection with (a) real time navigation or route guidance based on position input from a sensor (including but not limited to any visual or audible turn-byturn route guidance). That seems to prohibit even using the GPS to indicate the direction to your destination. To avoid all these issues, one alternative is OSMdroid, a reimplementation of the Maps API using Open Street Maps data. It's at: http://code.google.com/p/osmdroid/ I have installed Andnav 2. Looks really promising. I do not know if it can run without google.map API (since I did add the library for other tests) Andnav1 was depending on it and its data. But due to licence issues, (for advanced use as navigation, offline cache,...), version 2 uses OSM. I will try the GPS tracking soon. For now, I could not test much because I cannot get internet connectivity with Android on my neo. But I cached some maps within Andnav2 in the Emulator, then copied them onto my neo, so I can navigate the maps now. (to try Andnav, you have to register on their site, but for I think it is not yet opened to the US) http://www.andnav.org/ http://www.andnav.org/index.php/community-forum?task=viewtopicid=12 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [android] Unable to read long SMS messages
Ok, I've run a number of tests listening to the output of logcat. 1) Unsuccessfully sending an SMS message 2) Successfully receiving a short SMS message containing Short message 3) Unsuccessfully receiving a full SMS message (160 chars) I'm not sure what the cutoff point is here for the length that can be successfully received, I could try a few more and narrow it down. 4) And just incase I haven't pissed anyone off enough attaching large files I've included the logcat output (not just for radio) when attempting to power down the device (which doesn't work and just sits there with the spinner until I take the battery out). Thanks for your help with this, if you can point me in the right direction I'll help out as much as I can. Cheers, Andy 2008/12/8 Sean McNeil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Andy, What would be really helpful is to have it plugged into a linux host and run the command ADBHOST=neo ./adb logcat -b radio This assumes you have your host setup to connect usb over ethernet and have neo set to the proper IP. Andy Kilner wrote: Hi, I've been using android on my freerunner for a few days now, the original image and the latest image and both seem to have a problem displaying SMS messages that go over a few words. Has anyone else experienced this problem, or do most of you just avoid txting? I'm afraid it's an essential requirement of my phone almost more so than being able to place and receive calls. I've had a quick poke about on the adb shell but data/data/com.google.android.providers.telephony/databases/sms.db appears to be empty. Can anyone point me in the direction of where SMS's are stored, unfortunately it doesn't look like it's going to be all that simple. The phone also refuses to send SMS messages, if I attempt to do so the gsm connection is dropped and sometimes it can be a pain in the arse getting it back. All in all though, (IMHO) Android is looking the more promising and I'd like to stick with it. Cheers ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community neo-sms-send.log.gz Description: GNU Zip compressed data neo-radio-sms-recieve-small.log.gz Description: GNU Zip compressed data neo-radio-sms-recieve-long.log.gz Description: GNU Zip compressed data neo-all-shutdown.log.gz Description: GNU Zip compressed data ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone
I, like a great many others I suspect, have a NeoFreerunner doing its best impression of a brick on the shelf because I just don't have the time to get it to the point where it works as a phone before I start doing what I got it for - developing additional software. Monitoring these lists and the wiki periodically produces an impetus for dusting it off and giving it another go (like this past week-end's claim that WSOD was gone) before reality sinks home and either the Neo white screens or my trusty Mac grey screens. Yes there are many different distributions out there but what is very clearly missing are simple, obvious instructions on how to go from a brick to a working device - just a machine that will turn on and off, will ring, answer and make calls, not hang and not have buzzing when on a call. After that, the user should be left to get on with it but I've completely failed to get to that stage despite trying 4 different distributions. I'm really talking basic here - if you have a machine that works for you, what Bootloader, Kernel and RootFS are you using and where did you get them from? What were the core applications that you loaded to make it work, where did you get them from and which versions? What were the modifications that you made to various settings files. If you have a working machine, could you blat it and rebuild it to get to the same position as you are in now? If so, would you document your process and share it with us? I don't really care which distribution at the moment - I just want one that could claim to work that I can then start developing with. I've got my Python books out ready... I have searched high and low through the wiki and list archives for over a month with no joy. If I've missed something blindingly obvious then perhaps you'd point me in the right direction. I guess the issue is that I'm neither a hardware hacker nor a kernel hacker but an application hacker - I'm certainly not an end user in the normal mobile phone sense but I still can't get anywhere. The temptation is just to say oh well, I'll just leave it and go and play with Android or get an iPhone but that is not what I got onto this for... Roland -- QURU Ltd, London smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [android] Maps application
Cédric Berger wrote: I see no reason why google would not allow the use of this API. Not open sourcing it is one thing, but it is an important piece of their framework, and their goal is to spread the use of android and its applications... I agree completely! Now if someone from Google would chime in... :-) I have installed Andnav 2. Looks really promising. I do not know if it can run without google.map API (since I did add the library for other tests) Andnav1 was depending on it and its data. But due to licence issues, (for advanced use as navigation, offline cache,...), version 2 uses OSM. It seems that Andnav is not open source, while osmdroid is GPL3. Same developer name in both places, so I'm guessing that Andnav uses osmdroid under the I can relicense my code to myself exception. Apparently he plans to start charging for Andnav, but he's also asking for donations to fund a US server. Sounds like there's still some confusion about a business model. osmdroid may still be a good option for an unencumbered Maps API for Android, especially if Google doesn't make their maps API distributable on devices running open source Android. What I'd really like to see is a cloned (i.e. just change package name), open source reimplementation of the Google maps API with pluggable back ends that make it easy to use various map sources including OSM. I guess I should stop talking about it and start coding. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
John Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: opkg is obviously not very efficient, both in memory and in speed I don't care much about opkg since I use debian, but is there some rationale for developing a new package management system that I can read? -- Esben Stien is [EMAIL PROTECTED] s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 17:23, Roland Whitehead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes there are many different distributions out there but what is very clearly missing are simple, obvious instructions on how to go from a brick to a working device - just a machine that will turn on and off, will ring, answer and make calls, not hang and not have buzzing when on a call. After that, the user should be left to get on with it but I've completely failed to get to that stage despite trying 4 different distributions. I'm really talking basic here - if you have a machine that works for you, what Bootloader, Kernel and RootFS are you using and where did you get them from? What were the core applications that you loaded to make it work, where did you get them from and which versions? What were the modifications that you made to various settings files. If you have a working machine, could you blat it and rebuild it to get to the same position as you are in now? If so, would you document your process and share it with us? I don't really care which distribution at the moment - I just want one that could claim to work that I can then start developing with. I've got my Python books out ready... I installed QtExtended, previously 4.3, it was the best distribution back then, and now 4.4 (and I think it's still the best): The image links are available here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Images I took the images from Hypnotize (see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-November/035245.html ) qtextended-4.4.2-gta02-rootfs-release-working-with_voip+jabber+gtalk+SystemRingTones.jffs2 from http://other.lastnetwork.net/OpenMoko/ Then the stable kernel from mwester's http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels (maybe it changed) And... well... that's all. I used it last weekend because the battery of my old phone was empty. The good things: * SMSes are working * Calls to voicemail are working, like a real phone (didn't try a real call with someone), keep in mind that you can hang up with the power button if you leave the dialer * The phone wakes up when sleeping (when a call comes or a SMS comes) * I really like the new handwriting input module, once you know how to use it in a different language than english: - draw a triangle (lower left - lower right - up - lower left), choose the lower-left choice to disable word recognition. - draw some letters, if it doesn't recognize it, try the next one with the good gesture (lower-left - upper right - lower left) or choose from the list (double clockwise circle)(this is most useful for letters with accents) - insert special characters (double counter-clockwise circle) Some characters (like t or x are a little hard to draw, but skill improves over time, I'm now even capable of drawing an i instead of l when I want to) The bad things: * I get SMSes more than one time in the inbox, and there's problems with SMSes in the trash * Sometimes it's acting weirdly and I have to restart QtExtended (it's faster than just rebooting), and sometimes the phone think it's charging when it's not even plugged in (so it doesn't sleep...) * There's the buzz issue with the wired headset The I don't like things: * I don't really like the kinetic scrolling * Using a word file in my language would allow me to use the handwriting more successfully * I think that my SD card (the one that came with the phone) is broken, the phone can't recognize it, my laptop can't either, and if it's plugged in, the SIM doesn't work The more than just a phone things: * I don't really like the music player * The GPS doesn't work * I was not able to configure GPRS and MMS I'm back to my old phone now, but for me it's definitively improving, I'm waiting for 4.4.3/4.4.4. Regards, -- Damien Thebault ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 09:01, Christoph Siegenthaler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Does someone know a way to turn of word prediction in the handwriting input style? Like I wrote in an earlier email, draw the following triangle: bottom-left - bottom-right - top - bottom-left And choose the abc (lower-left) button. Have fun, -- Damien Thebault ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
Christoph Siegenthaler schrieb: Hey! I gave QTExtended 4.4.2 another go and you were right. It really is the best option to use the FR as a basic phone atm. I'm not sure why I didn't like it after flashing it the first time. I think I had some issues with suspending. Haven't had any problems with it so far, using the om-testing kernel. The echo isn't so bad either, but still there. I haven't tried to tweak the state-files yet. Addressbook and Calender work too. Some other first impressions: - Timezone isn't set after one changes it in the initial setup - Alarm doesn't ring when phone is suspended - Does someone know a way to turn of word prediction in the handwriting input style? I don't really know how to deactivate the wordprediction, but I am very happy to use it with a german wordlist. (I guess, that you come from germany cause of your name.) Give it a try. If you don't know where to get just write. Best regards, Chris Warren Baird wrote: On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Christoph Siegenthaler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Slowly but steadily my enthusiasm for the FR is vanishing. I was at least hoping to be able to use my freerunner as a basic phone after 5 months... Sorry if I'm repeating myself here - but try QTExtended 4.4.2 - it's not perfect, and I do miss having all of the funky X based software from the OM2008 based stacks, but as a basic phone, it works quite well, and I get 36-48 hour battery life... Warren ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Call history
Clemens Dörrhöfer wrote: I am using Om2008.8 and my call history does not record the timestamp, when that callevent was. Does anybody know how I can fix it? By the way is it possible to alter the look of the contact detail view? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I have solved the problem by flushing the 2008.9 rootfs. For now the timestamp gets recorded. In case I run into the problem again and I find out why this happens I will contact bug report. But still. Does anyone know how to change the look of the detail view? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Roland, Since I was the one claiming that WSOD was gone, I'm gonna answer that. As you should know if you skimmed through the list, there seem to be several different hardware revisions of the Freerunner, all of which have subtle differences with regard to hardware. For example some people seem to never have gotten a WSOD, while for me (up to this weekend) it was a 9 out of 10 chance that my phone would give me the WSOD on a suspend/resume cycle. Also, I understand that other issues like the echo are partly influenced by environmental issues (like what provider you are using). Am I able to tell you how to get a fully functional phone? No. It depends on your specific scenario. However, I can tell you how I got to the point where I am now - at a level where I (as a user who is not dependent on his mobile phone) can more or less reasonably use my phone without it being a brick. The process I followed was (as far as I remember - this took me ~3 months after all): Flash OM2008.9 (along with provided kernel and bootloader), install illume-config and illume-config-illume, update to testing branch, deactivate auto-screen blank/suspend, update to newest kernel. I'm not sure, whether I modified the alsa state file after flashing OM2008.9, but since echo is not gone yet this should not make a difference. To shorten the process, you'd probably be at the same state if you just flash the newest testing images. This gives me at least: - - Working calls, incoming and outgoing. Other party hears noticeable echo of his/her own voice. Call quality on my side is good, though. - - Working SMS, sending and receiving - - Working GPS (used it several times for navigation already - very useful in Venice for example) - - Working suspend - no WSOD, phone wakes up on incoming calls. - - (Probably) working WLAN (finds APs just fine, I think I connected once to my own AP, but I'm using USB networking usually) - - Unreliable accelerometers - they seem to crash sometimes. Didn't check for some time, though - this may have changed. Unconfirmed (because I don't use it at the moment): - - Bluetooth - - USB Host mode - - GPRS - - Headset - - Provider service numbers (reportedly, these seem to cause problems) Remaining nuisances: - - I've been told that the echo on a call is very irritating for the other party. - - I want Raster's keyboard back :) Apart from the echo, this is already way more than what my (very old) Nokia phone could do. And with WSOD gone, 24h of battery time should be easy to reach. I'd suppose that even 48h might be possible without problems. Hope that gives you an overview of the situation. Regards, Andreas Am 08.12.2008 17:23, Roland Whitehead schrieb: I, like a great many others I suspect, have a NeoFreerunner doing its best impression of a brick on the shelf because I just don't have the time to get it to the point where it works as a phone before I start doing what I got it for - developing additional software. Monitoring these lists and the wiki periodically produces an impetus for dusting it off and giving it another go (like this past week-end's claim that WSOD was gone) before reality sinks home and either the Neo white screens or my trusty Mac grey screens. Yes there are many different distributions out there but what is very clearly missing are simple, obvious instructions on how to go from a brick to a working device - just a machine that will turn on and off, will ring, answer and make calls, not hang and not have buzzing when on a call. After that, the user should be left to get on with it but I've completely failed to get to that stage despite trying 4 different distributions. I'm really talking basic here - if you have a machine that works for you, what Bootloader, Kernel and RootFS are you using and where did you get them from? What were the core applications that you loaded to make it work, where did you get them from and which versions? What were the modifications that you made to various settings files. If you have a working machine, could you blat it and rebuild it to get to the same position as you are in now? If so, would you document your process and share it with us? I don't really care which distribution at the moment - I just want one that could claim to work that I can then start developing with. I've got my Python books out ready... I have searched high and low through the wiki and list archives for over a month with no joy. If I've missed something blindingly obvious then perhaps you'd point me in the right direction. I guess the issue is that I'm neither a hardware hacker nor a kernel hacker but an application hacker - I'm certainly not an end user in the normal mobile phone sense but I still can't get anywhere. The temptation is just to say oh well, I'll just leave it and go and play with Android or get an iPhone but that is not what I got onto this for... Roland
Re: [OM kernel newbie] Error building kernel
Hi,
I think I found out my problems.
First it was a bashism like Asheesh pointed out. Thanks Asheesh.
After this I started to see another error with parenthesis
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/bin/sh: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `('
/bin/sh: -c: line 0: `echo 2.6.24-(no_fb42ce6724576fc1-mokodev
include/config/kernel.release'
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which was related with Andy said about not having a branch. the (no
was from the output of git branch
--
* (no branch)
master
...
--
I did git checkout -b origin/my-andy-tracking --track origin/andy-tracking.
So, I created a local branch origin/my-andy-tracking and after that
./build compiled ok.
I don't know if there's a way to do this without creating a local branch.
Thanks Asheesh and Andy,
Rui
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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| I've been trying to compile openmoko kernel and I can't even start
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| $ ./build dummy
| scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig
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| scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig
| CHK include/linux/version.h
| /bin/sh: Syntax error: ( unexpected
This is coming out of not having a branch initialized in git I think
you'll find.
Try
git branch
in that dir and you'll see some error in parenthesis.
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Re: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone
Hello Roland, you already have a good and detailed answer from Damien which makes very much sense. Depending on what you exactly want I anyway have some alternatives for you: SHR Works perfectly with me. Is not as fancy as QTextended but just my personal feeling is that is is more stable in the core functions: - making and receiving calls and SMS I had absolutely no issues (but I guess that differs a lot on what phone provider you use - Vodafone Germany with me), as mentioned the application is very simple so you use the SIM memory for contacts and SMS and you can only delete 1 SMS at a time etc. wifi connection to WPA2 protected WLAN works fine together with using the DNS of my router without any extra settings Suspend works but I think the battery still does not keep for too long (1 day???) but I never really took note of that so I might be completely wrong about battery life so you might just want to try this out and see if that suits your needs, more information here: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Get%20Started On my GTA02 v5 I am using this uImage: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/uImage-2.6.24+r10 +gitr6e2a723ef54ee2e739c34786981b2c508db803c1-r10-om-gta02.bin and this rootfs: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 And in addition I run Debian on my SD card which really gives you a lot of options and runs stable with the FSO phone stack that it comes with. You can expect exactly the same phone functionality as on SHR. But Debian is for the fun and possibilities and loads of programs - if you don't need that and don't want to bother configuring Debian to your liking you don't have to read on! Good instructions I used to install Debian on my SD card (you need an SD card, recommended min 1GB!) as the distribution is very large are in the Debian wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner In addition to those instructions I had to change one setting to prevent the GSM from constantly going on and off: I had to change the /etc/frameworkd.conf file under the ogsmd section to ti_calypso_deep_sleep = never (and only if you want to play around you can have a look at the tweaks at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#Time like how to set the time) Hope this helps you enjoying you phone freedom as I am and does not make that confusing amount of choice agein Markus Am Montag, den 08.12.2008, 18:38 +0100 schrieb Damien Thébault: On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 17:23, Roland Whitehead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes there are many different distributions out there but what is very clearly missing are simple, obvious instructions on how to go from a brick to a working device - just a machine that will turn on and off, will ring, answer and make calls, not hang and not have buzzing when on a call. After that, the user should be left to get on with it but I've completely failed to get to that stage despite trying 4 different distributions. I'm really talking basic here - if you have a machine that works for you, what Bootloader, Kernel and RootFS are you using and where did you get them from? What were the core applications that you loaded to make it work, where did you get them from and which versions? What were the modifications that you made to various settings files. If you have a working machine, could you blat it and rebuild it to get to the same position as you are in now? If so, would you document your process and share it with us? I don't really care which distribution at the moment - I just want one that could claim to work that I can then start developing with. I've got my Python books out ready... I installed QtExtended, previously 4.3, it was the best distribution back then, and now 4.4 (and I think it's still the best): The image links are available here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Images I took the images from Hypnotize (see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-November/035245.html ) qtextended-4.4.2-gta02-rootfs-release-working-with_voip+jabber+gtalk+SystemRingTones.jffs2 from http://other.lastnetwork.net/OpenMoko/ Then the stable kernel from mwester's http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels (maybe it changed) And... well... that's all. I used it last weekend because the battery of my old phone was empty. The good things: * SMSes are working * Calls to voicemail are working, like a real phone (didn't try a real call with someone), keep in mind that you can hang up with the power button if you leave the dialer * The phone wakes up when sleeping (when a call comes or a SMS comes) * I really like the new handwriting input module, once you know how to use it in a different language than english: - draw a triangle (lower left - lower right - up - lower left), choose the lower-left choice to disable word recognition. - draw some letters, if it doesn't recognize it, try the next one with the good gesture
Re: messed everything mixing repositories?
i've just noticed that, sorry.. i can find lots of images, just 2007.2 not. sad because it was working for me and i like it a lot more than the newer, slower and battery hungry 2008.10. i've seen non official images here: http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ and here: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ i can choose between the underground series or dev among others, just not the f*** image that came with the neo preinstalled (lots of dead links on the wiki). or i could try android -would be cool but probably slow and with missing features-. or debian, now that i'm happy not using it on my workstation anymore. excuse my frustration, the last thing i want is to start a flamewar. i just want a phone that makes calls and if possible that plays music, but do not have time to hack on it every day. there is a lot of information here, a bunch of distributions, each one with different repositories and different bugs. i'm seeing that this is too complicated and i think 'll sell my 3 day old neo on ebay and wait 5 or 10 years before i buy a linux phone again because i really don't know what to do with it now that i can't restore what i've broken. i have linux on my desktop and that's the most important thing. next time i want to support a project like this one i'll just make a donation and wait until it's so fucking easy to use that i can give one to my grandma for christmas. well, that's a bit exaggerated but there is a limit, and if you don't have enough time to hack on the device as it's needed to have it working, it's just as useless as a windows box in a linux convention Original-Nachricht Datum: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:13:50 +0100 Von: arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: messed everything mixing repositories? please, prefix the subject with your distribution! it's not only a matter of politeness but, with the plethora of distributions available, a pure necessity to help people to help you! if you're still using 2007.2 flash something more recent -- 2007.2 is dead. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sensationsangebot verlängert: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K1308T4569a ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
On Monday 08 December 2008, Esben Stien wrote: John Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: opkg is obviously not very efficient, both in memory and in speed I don't care much about opkg since I use debian, but is there some rationale for developing a new package management system that I can read? It's not exactly new. ipkg was developed for linux on iPaq because dpkg/apt was thought to be too resource hungry for such a constrained device. If you look at the workarounds applied to fit debian into NAND on the Freerunner you will see why. Purging package metadata comes just after purging unnecessary locales in the space saving measures. opkg is a contnuation of ipkg which IIRC stopped being maintained. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
2007.2 image - where can i find the same image that ships with the neo freerunner?
hi all, does anyone know where to find the same image that ships with neo freerunner, that is, the 2007.2 version. i know it is outdated, and i know there are some(millions) images here: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ and here: buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ . but i'm not looking for devel, monster or the underground images, i just want the same image that ships with the new phone thanks -- Sensationsangebot verlängert: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K1308T4569a ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any progress on the Telit UC864 3.5G modem?
This is one of those modular devices, correct? Does this mean there is a chance of being able to swap in a CDMA module? On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Justyn Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, It's been quite a while since the MokoForesight page was updated, so I was wondering whether any more research went into the Telit UC864G modem (3.5G with integrated GPS). On the MokoForesight page it says: Detailed documentation on Web. Can get even more documentation from reseller. First impression is good. UC864G includes all known bands and GPS receiver (saves more space complications). Which all sounded quite promising. Did it turn out to be a dead end? Regards, Justyn. ___ devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/devel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone
Damien Thébault wrote: The bad things: * I get SMSes more than one time in the inbox, and there's problems with SMSes in the trash Yeah, what's the problem with duplicate messages? I've seen it both in om2008 and in qtextended. Some kind of database problem? If not this, qtextended would be almost usable (if only it had a terminal emulator :-))... -- Drogowa Mapa Polski GPS w Twoim telefonie! Pobierz http://link.interia.pl/f1fc9 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: perl for OM
opkg list|grep perl opkg install perl BillK On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 13:30 +, Graeme Gregory wrote: On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 16:20 +0300, Ivan Shirokoff wrote: Hello. Has anyone managed to compile perl for FR? Yes it successfully compiles in OE, so if you log a feature request bug and request it get added to official feeds it should become available. Graeme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 12:16:03PM +0100, Xavier Bestel wrote: On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 11:24 -0800, Christoph Siegenthaler wrote: I've been testing todays openmoko-testing-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 together with testing-om-gta02-20081207.uImage.bin after following the ML without actually flashing my freerunner a lot (for a few weeks). BTW I just tested these images too, and I have no wifi (i.e. the settings allow to turn on GPS and Bluetooth, buth there's no more a WIFI entry). Is that expected ? Xav yes. please refer to https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2003 - John ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
2008.testing (2008.9 upgraded) - Settings not running
I am using 2008.testing (2008.9 upgraded) and the Settings app wont start - same if I run exposure.py in a terminal, and no debug is printed. A ps aux shows exposure running, but no window appears and the command line returns without printing anything. Is there a way to debug python apps and see where its going wrong? BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone
On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Roland Whitehead wrote: Yes there are many different distributions out there but what is very clearly missing are simple, obvious instructions on how to go from a brick to a working device - just a machine that will turn on and off, will ring, answer and make calls, not hang and not have buzzing when on a call. modulo the buzzing, which i never had and cannot therefore say how to get rid of, my OM running 2008.09 does all that. it's my day-to-day business and personal phone. full instructions, including the version of images i'm booting from and what i've done to fix each of the problems, are at http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/openmoko-2.html . If you have a working machine, could you blat it and rebuild it to get to the same position as you are in now? yes, i've done so twice, that's what the instructions are for. but hopefully they'll be of some use to you, too! -- Tom Yates - http://www.teaparty.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone
On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 4:38:45 am Damien Thébault wrote: * The GPS doesn't work Odd, it does on mine (QT 4.4.2), just need to give it enough time to get a lock though. -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
