qemu patch for gcc 4 doesn't work anymore
All, I have a question about the gcc 4 patch for qemu. If I follow the build instructions for qemu: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu I cant patch the qemu for gcc4. Regards, Joop Boonen. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Duplicate SMS's (was Re: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone)
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Chris Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 9:42:19 am Micha? Brzozowski wrote: Yeah, what's the problem with duplicate messages It appears to happen on mine if I have a stuck message in my Trash (i.e. one I can't delete) and there are others in my Inbox or Trash. snip whatever the reason, it has been known since a couple of hours after the release, but more than a month later: no fix yet. It makes sms's rather useless: after 1 day of usage, I had 30 double sms's ... Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.testing (2008.9 upgraded) - Settings not running
The problem is probably broken python-ekt bindings, the upgrade path from 2008.08 to testing is (was?) broken. See https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2127 for a fix and more explanation. - Gunnar W.Kenworthy wrote: I am using 2008.testing (2008.9 upgraded) and the Settings app wont start - same if I run exposure.py in a terminal, and no debug is printed. A ps aux shows exposure running, but no window appears and the command line returns without printing anything. Is there a way to debug python apps and see where its going wrong? BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone
Hi everyone. I've used QTExtended quite a lot, here's my two cents : * Calls to voicemail are working, like a real phone (didn't try a real call with someone), keep in mind that you can hang up with the power button if you leave the dialer Thanks for this tip, i often hit 'back' instead of 'End' so i go back to the home menu with the phone call still active.. * The phone wakes up when sleeping (when a call comes or a SMS comes) * I really like the new handwriting input module, once you know how to use it in a different language than english: - draw a triangle (lower left - lower right - up - lower left), choose the lower-left choice to disable word recognition. - draw some letters, if it doesn't recognize it, try the next one with the good gesture (lower-left - upper right - lower left) or choose from the list (double clockwise circle)(this is most useful for letters with accents) - insert special characters (double counter-clockwise circle) Some characters (like t or x are a little hard to draw, but skill improves over time, I'm now even capable of drawing an i instead of l when I want to) I learned the gesture from the settings/handwriting menu, because there was a few letters that i couldn't guess how to draw. I have to say that it's really efficient once you get used to it. The bad things: * I get SMSes more than one time in the inbox, and there's problems with SMSes in the trash * Sometimes it's acting weirdly and I have to restart QtExtended (it's faster than just rebooting), and sometimes the phone think it's charging when it's not even plugged in (so it doesn't sleep...) This charging status bug is probably the biggest showstopper currently : if you poweroff your phone or restart it, it won't be able to go into sleep mode until you have plugged it once.. And your battery will die quite fast. The I don't like things: * I don't really like the kinetic scrolling The idea behind is very neat (it's more natural) but it's a bit too slow to be actually useable * Using a word file in my language would allow me to use the handwriting more successfully Given your name, i suspect that you are french. Have a look here : http://openmoko-fr.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=181 For non-french readers, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#Installing_the_words.dawg_file * I think that my SD card (the one that came with the phone) is broken, the phone can't recognize it, my laptop can't either, and if it's plugged in, the SIM doesn't work The more than just a phone things: * I don't really like the music player * The GPS doesn't work * I was not able to configure GPRS and MMS I was able to configure gprs, and opkg update throught it. Quick steps : configure from the settings/internet gui. Then you need to correct the link /etc/resolv.conf, which points to /etc/ppp/resolv.conf (erroneus). Change it to - /var/ppp/resolv.conf (grep in /etc/ppp to find the script which makes the link) and you should be fine). I also had to change the phone number in the ppp config file (you can't change it from the gui). Last tip, if your phone provider doesn't need a login/password, put '*' in each field. About mms : i had a talk with Lorn, and in fact there is currently no wap browser. So, no mms. I'm back to my old phone now, but for me it's definitively improving, I'm waiting for 4.4.3/4.4.4. +1 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone
-Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] De la part de Markus Wachenheim SHR Works perfectly with me. I tested SHR yesterday. It gives a very good impression : the gui is very slick (especially when you like E) but i had no sound at all.. Am i the only one? No ringtone, no sound when tring to call my voice mail, no alarm.. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: messed everything mixing repositories?
i've seen non official images here: http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ there are no recent images or updates for 2007.2! it's plain dead. use anything else (2008.X, shr, debian, android, qtopia). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 11:44 +0800, John Lee wrote: On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 12:16:03PM +0100, Xavier Bestel wrote: On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 11:24 -0800, Christoph Siegenthaler wrote: I've been testing todays openmoko-testing-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 together with testing-om-gta02-20081207.uImage.bin after following the ML without actually flashing my freerunner a lot (for a few weeks). BTW I just tested these images too, and I have no wifi (i.e. the settings allow to turn on GPS and Bluetooth, buth there's no more a WIFI entry). Is that expected ? Xav yes. please refer to https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2003 Mmh .. the ticket reads: Summary: Please take out suspend time 10 sec. So we only left 30 seconds, 60 seconds and Off. Let's but this in Milestone Om2008.10. I couldn't find an equivalent ticket in trac. Xav ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
-Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] De la part de Xavier Bestel Envoyé : mardi 9 décembre 2008 10:15 À : List for Openmoko community discussion Objet : Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06) On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 11:44 +0800, John Lee wrote: On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 12:16:03PM +0100, Xavier Bestel wrote: On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 11:24 -0800, Christoph Siegenthaler wrote: I've been testing todays openmoko-testing-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 together with testing-om-gta02-20081207.uImage.bin after following the ML without actually flashing my freerunner a lot (for a few weeks). BTW I just tested these images too, and I have no wifi (i.e. the settings allow to turn on GPS and Bluetooth, buth there's no more a WIFI entry). Is that expected ? Xav yes. please refer to https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2003 Mmh .. the ticket reads: Summary: Please take out suspend time 10 sec. So we only left 30 seconds, 60 seconds and Off. Let's but this in Milestone Om2008.10. I couldn't find an equivalent ticket in trac. In the first comment : commit log: disable wifi frontend (backend currently broken) ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Duplicate SMS's (was Re: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone)
On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 7:26:22 pm Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: whatever the reason, it has been known since a couple of hours after the release, but more than a month later: no fix yet. It makes sms's rather useless: after 1 day of usage, I had 30 double sms's ... I only get the issue if I have undeleted SMS's left on the phone. Given I'm not a big phone user that's not hard to handle but I can imagine if you're doing lots of texting then you'd be in strife. :-( -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [android] Unable to read long SMS messages
Thanks for the info. I think I have all of these SMS issues fixed. Testing now. Andy Kilner wrote: Ok, I've run a number of tests listening to the output of logcat. 1) Unsuccessfully sending an SMS message 2) Successfully receiving a short SMS message containing Short message 3) Unsuccessfully receiving a full SMS message (160 chars) I'm not sure what the cutoff point is here for the length that can be successfully received, I could try a few more and narrow it down. 4) And just incase I haven't pissed anyone off enough attaching large files I've included the logcat output (not just for radio) when attempting to power down the device (which doesn't work and just sits there with the spinner until I take the battery out). Thanks for your help with this, if you can point me in the right direction I'll help out as much as I can. Cheers, Andy 2008/12/8 Sean McNeil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Andy, What would be really helpful is to have it plugged into a linux host and run the command ADBHOST=neo ./adb logcat -b radio This assumes you have your host setup to connect usb over ethernet and have neo set to the proper IP. Andy Kilner wrote: Hi, I've been using android on my freerunner for a few days now, the original image and the latest image and both seem to have a problem displaying SMS messages that go over a few words. Has anyone else experienced this problem, or do most of you just avoid txting? I'm afraid it's an essential requirement of my phone almost more so than being able to place and receive calls. I've had a quick poke about on the adb shell but data/data/com.google.android.providers.telephony/databases/sms.db appears to be empty. Can anyone point me in the direction of where SMS's are stored, unfortunately it doesn't look like it's going to be all that simple. The phone also refuses to send SMS messages, if I attempt to do so the gsm connection is dropped and sometimes it can be a pain in the arse getting it back. All in all though, (IMHO) Android is looking the more promising and I'd like to stick with it. Cheers ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any progress on the Telit UC864 3.5G modem?
Please, has anyone looked further into this? I do a lot of travelling into countries that use 3G only networks and being able to swap the existing GSM module with this one would save me A LOT of hassle. What's the concensus and for those who have tried: how hard is it to swap and get it running? On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Sargun Dhillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is one of those modular devices, correct? Does this mean there is a chance of being able to swap in a CDMA module? On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Justyn Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, It's been quite a while since the MokoForesight page was updated, so I was wondering whether any more research went into the Telit UC864G modem (3.5G with integrated GPS). On the MokoForesight page it says: Detailed documentation on Web. Can get even more documentation from reseller. First impression is good. UC864G includes all known bands and GPS receiver (saves more space complications). Which all sounded quite promising. Did it turn out to be a dead end? Regards, Justyn. ___ devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/devel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
John Lee wrote: Olv is having kernel fun now, but since it's gta03 related, you probably won't see him a lot on the public kernel list. ... OM is moving more focus to gta03 now, so my current resource for qtopia is fairly limited. I know it's important for OM to keep moving forward, but really, focusing on gta03? Already? It's been a few months since GTA02 went GA and we still don't really have a working system, focusing most effort on GTA03 now seems to be an abandonment of freerunner owners. With the software in the state it was when the 02 came out, I certainly won't be buying a 03 until OM proves it can actually make something that's a useful product rather than just a public alpha. this goes double if the alpha product is essentially left for dead without ever being fully working. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Optimization-team-update-%2811-30-%7E-12-06%29-tp1625647p1633700.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
qemu download.sh isn;t ok any more. File names aren't ok
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/work/qemu-openmoko/qemu-neo1973 sh -x
openmoko/download.sh
+ . openmoko/env
+++ pwd
++ src_dir=/home/jboonen/work/qemu-openmoko/qemu-neo1973
++ script_dir_relative=openmoko
++ script_dir=/home/jboonen/work/qemu-openmoko/qemu-neo1973/openmoko
++ uboot_symlink=/home/jboonen/work/qemu-openmoko/qemu-neo1973/u-boot.bin
++ qemu_relative='arm-softmmu/qemu-system-arm -M gta01 -m 130'
++
qemu='/home/jboonen/work/qemu-openmoko/qemu-neo1973/arm-softmmu/qemu-system-arm
-M gta01 -m 130'
++ flash_base=openmoko-flash.base
++ flash_image=openmoko-flash.image
++ make=make
++ which gmake
/usr/bin/gmake
++ make=gmake
++ echo=echo
++ which gecho
which: no gecho in
(/home/jboonen/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games:/opt/kde3/bin:/usr/lib/jvm/jre/bin:/usr/lib/mit/bin:/usr/lib/mit/sbin)
++ export make echo
++ dump_dir=/home/jboonen/work/qemu-openmoko/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/vvfat
++ qemu_monitor=/home/jboonen/.qemu_monitor
++ kernel_addr=0x3010
++ splash_addr=0x3600
++ splash_size=0x5000
++ kernel_wildcard='testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin'
++ rootfs_wildcard='testing-om-gta01-*.rootfs.jffs2'
++ uboot_wildcard=gta01bv4-u-boot.bin
++ download_dir=http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/
++ dev_download_dir=http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/
++ backup_download_dir=http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/
+ cd /home/jboonen/work/qemu-openmoko/qemu-neo1973/openmoko
+ echo 'Retrieving' available builds list...
Retrieving available builds list...
++ lynx -dump http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/
++ grep http
++ sed 's,[0-9
\t\.]*http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/\([a-zA-Z0-9_\.-]\)[ \t]*,\1,'
+ files=' 1. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=N;O=D
2. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=M;O=A
3. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=S;O=A
4. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=D;O=A
5. http://downloads.openmoko.org/
testing/
unstable/'
++ lynx -dump http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/
++ grep http
++ sed 's,[0-9
\t\.]*http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/\([a-zA-Z0-9_\.-]\)[ \t]*,\1,'
+ dev_files=' 1. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=N;O=D
2. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=M;O=A
3. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=S;O=A
4. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=D;O=A
5. http://downloads.openmoko.org/
testing/
unstable/'
+ [[1. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=N;O=D
2. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=M;O=A
3. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=S;O=A
4. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=D;O=A
5. http://downloads.openmoko.org/
testing/
unstable/ == '' ]]
+ echo -n 'Kernel' 'is... '
Kernel is... + most_recent 'testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin'
kernel_image ''
+ echo
+ f=files
+ for name in '${!f}'
+ [[ 1. == testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
+ for name in '${!f}'
+ [[ http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=N;O=D ==
testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
+ for name in '${!f}'
+ [[ 2. == testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
+ for name in '${!f}'
+ [[ http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=M;O=A ==
testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
+ for name in '${!f}'
+ [[ 3. == testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
+ for name in '${!f}'
+ [[ http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=S;O=A ==
testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
+ for name in '${!f}'
+ [[ 4. == testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
+ for name in '${!f}'
+ [[ http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=D;O=A ==
testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
+ for name in '${!f}'
+ [[ 5. == testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
+ for name in '${!f}'
+ [[ http://downloads.openmoko.org/ == testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
+ for name in '${!f}'
+ [[ testing/ == testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
+ for name in '${!f}'
+ [[ unstable/ == testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
++ sort -n .list
++ tail -n 1
+ export kernel_image=
+ kernel_image=
+ rm -rf .list
+ '[' -z '' ']'
+ echo not found
not found
+ exit -1
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Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Gothnet [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: John Lee wrote: Olv is having kernel fun now, but since it's gta03 related, you probably won't see him a lot on the public kernel list. ... OM is moving more focus to gta03 now, so my current resource for qtopia is fairly limited. I know it's important for OM to keep moving forward, but really, focusing on gta03? Already? It's been a few months since GTA02 went GA and we still don't really have a working system, focusing most effort on GTA03 now seems to be an abandonment of freerunner owners. With the software in the state it was when the 02 came out, I certainly won't be buying a 03 until OM proves it can actually make something that's a useful product rather than just a public alpha. this goes double if the alpha product is essentially left for dead without ever being fully working. I second this. Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [testing] WSOD gone
2008/12/7 Andreas Cyberfrag Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This is on the testing branch. Flash OM2008.9, switch to testing as described here: http://n2.nabble.com/Optimization-team-update-%2811-23-%7E-11-29%29-td1595015.html#a1600801 and do a full update (opkg update opkg upgrade). Will it bump all the software to the latest? I mean, will the phone end up with all software from 2008.x official release (kernel + graphics + qtopia dialer + gps + ...), but latest versions of them? I guess so. For a couple of weeks I just take http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/ images to play with, and constantly being ridicued by colleagues like what have you bought, a black screen with white letters? :-) . I must say in this textual state Neo performs very well. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any progress on the Telit UC864 3.5G modem?
Thanks for clarifying Justyn, it's still something that would be a great feature to have. I will buy a later version FR only if it contained a 3G modem. I guess I'm just over-anxious about getting 'everything' I've wanted in a phone so quickly On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Justyn Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're talking about physically replacing the TI Calypso modem on the Freerunner board with a 3G modem, I'm afraid you misunderstand. This is not at all possible. I am asking about the research into the Telit modem for a future Openmoko device. 2008/12/9 Will Siddall [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Please, has anyone looked further into this? I do a lot of travelling into countries that use 3G only networks and being able to swap the existing GSM module with this one would save me A LOT of hassle. What's the concensus and for those who have tried: how hard is it to swap and get it running? On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Sargun Dhillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is one of those modular devices, correct? Does this mean there is a chance of being able to swap in a CDMA module? On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Justyn Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, It's been quite a while since the MokoForesight page was updated, so I was wondering whether any more research went into the Telit UC864G modem (3.5G with integrated GPS). On the MokoForesight page it says: Detailed documentation on Web. Can get even more documentation from reseller. First impression is good. UC864G includes all known bands and GPS receiver (saves more space complications). Which all sounded quite promising. Did it turn out to be a dead end? Regards, Justyn. ___ devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/devel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] choice of root filesystem type?
Are there other fs types that are more suitable, and work with debian? the supposed wear of ext3 is caused by the journalling imo -- since journalling is, what you are after, there's nothing else. otoh there where a while ago some postings regarding the wear, and most were in favour of ext3, since the wear is not that heavy (still leaving a life expectancy of years). one eyewitness, though, reported instant corruption. if you're booting from sd, you need to manipulate the boot env, to use ext3 -- if not, it's purely a matter of fstab and tune2fs ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[debian] choice of root filesystem type?
Hello, Currently I run ext2 on my debian root, but its annoying in that when the phone looses power, the fs is quite often corrupt. What about ext3? I've read that a journaling fs will lower the life expectancy of the sd card, but how much? If I need to buy a new sd card every couple of months, thats no big issue. Are there other fs types that are more suitable, and work with debian? -- Joakim Verona ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Illume Keyboard on 2008.11
Hi all, I upgraded to 2008.11 (daily image of 04 december 2008) and i lost my illume keyboard. All i have now is the useless predictive keyboard. Is there a way to re-install the illume keyboard again? I did uninstall and install illume again, to no avail. I am also missing a possibility to see the settings of illume. i did try the instructions on: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#How_to_install_the_illume_.28Raster.27s.29_keyboard_.3F to no avail. Thanks a lot for any pointer to fixing this, if i get it to work, i will add it to the wiki. Kind regards, Ed ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
polz wrote: That's just common sense. If you want a working phone, just stick to the Freerunner, maybe try and help get it into a working state. Once the base system is working, you can always buy a GTA03 to get some new, faster, shinier hardware. Yes, but I'm wondering who they think is going to buy the 03 when the user experience for the 02 has been so poor and it looks like development effort is being shifted off it when the phone is still basically in alpha testing. Don't worry, the software on your phone is free, it'll stay supported as long as there's at least one user willing to keep building images/packages for it. You're likely to run out of replacement parts or break it unintentionally way before then. That's not in any way the same as having paid development effort to get it up to a base working state. And it's not support I'm worried about, it's the absolute basic functionality and reliability that's at issue here. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Optimization-team-update-%2811-30-%7E-12-06%29-tp1625647p1633966.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
On Tuesday 09 December 2008 13:52:13 Gothnet wrote: I know it's important for OM to keep moving forward, but really, focusing on gta03? Already? Don't worry about it, the improvements will be back-ported. It's been a few months since GTA02 went GA and we still don't really have a working system, focusing most effort on GTA03 now seems to be an abandonment of freerunner owners. The situation GTA02 users are in now is similar to the situation GTA01 users were in when GTA02 came out. If anything, the GTA02 users are better off since there are more Freerunners out there than there are Neo1973s. Even if the people at Openmoko stop working on GTA02 completely and just create a stable, working rootfs for the phone, along with a reliable buildsystem. With the software in the state it was when the 02 came out, I certainly won't be buying a 03 until OM proves it can actually make something that's a useful product rather than just a public alpha. That's just common sense. If you want a working phone, just stick to the Freerunner, maybe try and help get it into a working state. Once the base system is working, you can always buy a GTA03 to get some new, faster, shinier hardware. this goes double if the alpha product is essentially left for dead without ever being fully working. Don't worry, the software on your phone is free, it'll stay supported as long as there's at least one user willing to keep building images/packages for it. You're likely to run out of replacement parts or break it unintentionally way before then. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any progress on the Telit UC864 3.5G modem?
If you're talking about physically replacing the TI Calypso modem on the Freerunner board with a 3G modem, I'm afraid you misunderstand. This is not at all possible. I am asking about the research into the Telit modem for a future Openmoko device. 2008/12/9 Will Siddall [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Please, has anyone looked further into this? I do a lot of travelling into countries that use 3G only networks and being able to swap the existing GSM module with this one would save me A LOT of hassle. What's the concensus and for those who have tried: how hard is it to swap and get it running? On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Sargun Dhillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is one of those modular devices, correct? Does this mean there is a chance of being able to swap in a CDMA module? On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Justyn Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, It's been quite a while since the MokoForesight page was updated, so I was wondering whether any more research went into the Telit UC864G modem (3.5G with integrated GPS). On the MokoForesight page it says: Detailed documentation on Web. Can get even more documentation from reseller. First impression is good. UC864G includes all known bands and GPS receiver (saves more space complications). Which all sounded quite promising. Did it turn out to be a dead end? Regards, Justyn. ___ devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/devel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
Totally agreed. I've got a phone with which I can't make phone calls without echo and buzzing even though the OM folks have been working on the basics for weeks/months now. Come on... Phone calls are the only basic functionality I can think of in a cell phone. Gothnet wrote: Yes, but I'm wondering who they think is going to buy the 03 when the user experience for the 02 has been so poor and it looks like development effort is being shifted off it when the phone is still basically in alpha testing. ... And it's not support I'm worried about, it's the absolute basic functionality and reliability that's at issue here. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Optimization-team-update-%2811-30-%7E-12-06%29-tp1625647p1634078.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: perl for OM
El Monday, 8 de December de 2008 14:20:20 Ivan Shirokoff va escriure: Hello. Has anyone managed to compile perl for FR? I've compiled Perl 5.8 the Freeruner ( also Parrot on the 1974) but as others have said is easier to install it with opkg. /usr/local/bin/perl -V Summary of my perl5 (revision 5 version 8 subversion 8) configuration: Platform: osname=linux, osvers=2.6.24, archname=armv4tl-linux uname='linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 preempt thu sep 4 01:33:19 cest 2008 armv4tl unknown unknown gnulinux ' config_args='' hint=recommended, useposix=true, d_sigaction=define usethreads=undef use5005threads=undef useithreads=undef usemultiplicity=undef useperlio=define d_sfio=undef uselargefiles=define usesocks=undef use64bitint=undef use64bitall=undef uselongdouble=define usemymalloc=n, bincompat5005=undef Compiler: cc='cc', ccflags ='-fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -Wdeclaration-after-statement -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64', optimize='-O2', cppflags='-fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -Wdeclaration-after-statement' ccversion='', gccversion='4.1.2', gccosandvers='' intsize=4, longsize=4, ptrsize=4, doublesize=8, byteorder=1234 d_longlong=define, longlongsize=8, d_longdbl=define, longdblsize=8 ivtype='long', ivsize=4, nvtype='long double', nvsize=8, Off_t='off_t', lseeksize=8 alignbytes=8, prototype=define Linker and Libraries: ld='cc', ldflags ='' libpth=/lib /usr/lib libs=-lnsl -ldl -lm -lcrypt -lutil -lc perllibs=-lnsl -ldl -lm -lcrypt -lutil -lc libc=/lib/libc-2.6.1.so, so=so, useshrplib=true, libperl=libperl.so gnulibc_version='2.6.1' Dynamic Linking: dlsrc=dl_dlopen.xs, dlext=so, d_dlsymun=undef, ccdlflags='-Wl,-E -Wl,-rpath,/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/armv4tl-linux/CORE' cccdlflags='-fpic', lddlflags='-shared' Characteristics of this binary (from libperl): Compile-time options: PERL_MALLOC_WRAP USE_LARGE_FILES USE_PERLIO Built under linux Compiled at Sep 20 2008 15:09:36 @INC: /local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/armv4tl-linux /local/lib/perl5/5.8.8 /local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/armv4tl-linux /local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /local/lib/perl5/site_perl . ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [testing] WSOD gone
Evgeny Karyakin wrote: 2008/12/7 Andreas Cyberfrag Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This is on the testing branch. Flash OM2008.9, switch to testing as described here: http://n2.nabble.com/Optimization-team-update-%2811-23-%7E-11-29%29-td1595015.html#a1600801 and do a full update (opkg update opkg upgrade). Will it bump all the software to the latest? I mean, will the phone end up with all software from 2008.x official release (kernel + graphics + qtopia dialer + gps + ...), but latest versions of them? I guess so. For a couple of weeks I just take http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/ images to play with, and constantly being ridicued by colleagues like what have you bought, a black screen with white letters? :-) . I must say in this textual state Neo performs very well. Not sure what you mean by that. I have (and always had) a fully functional Illume-desktop. And yes, the 2008.9 software was simply updated to newer versions (git revisions). BTW: Show your colleagues a round of DukeNukem and see if they still ridicule you :D Regards, Andreas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: perl for OM
Jose Luis Perez Diez пишет: El Monday, 8 de December de 2008 14:20:20 Ivan Shirokoff va escriure: Hello. Has anyone managed to compile perl for FR? I've compiled Perl 5.8 the Freeruner ( also Parrot on the 1974) but as others have said is easier to install it with opkg. Sounds cool. You mean Rakudo (Perl 6)? /usr/local/bin/perl -V Summary of my perl5 (revision 5 version 8 subversion 8) configuration: Platform: osname=linux, osvers=2.6.24, archname=armv4tl-linux uname='linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 preempt thu sep 4 01:33:19 cest 2008 armv4tl unknown unknown gnulinux ' config_args='' hint=recommended, useposix=true, d_sigaction=define usethreads=undef use5005threads=undef useithreads=undef usemultiplicity=undef useperlio=define d_sfio=undef uselargefiles=define usesocks=undef use64bitint=undef use64bitall=undef uselongdouble=define usemymalloc=n, bincompat5005=undef Compiler: cc='cc', ccflags ='-fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -Wdeclaration-after-statement -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64', optimize='-O2', cppflags='-fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -Wdeclaration-after-statement' ccversion='', gccversion='4.1.2', gccosandvers='' intsize=4, longsize=4, ptrsize=4, doublesize=8, byteorder=1234 d_longlong=define, longlongsize=8, d_longdbl=define, longdblsize=8 ivtype='long', ivsize=4, nvtype='long double', nvsize=8, Off_t='off_t', lseeksize=8 alignbytes=8, prototype=define Linker and Libraries: ld='cc', ldflags ='' libpth=/lib /usr/lib libs=-lnsl -ldl -lm -lcrypt -lutil -lc perllibs=-lnsl -ldl -lm -lcrypt -lutil -lc libc=/lib/libc-2.6.1.so, so=so, useshrplib=true, libperl=libperl.so gnulibc_version='2.6.1' Dynamic Linking: dlsrc=dl_dlopen.xs, dlext=so, d_dlsymun=undef, ccdlflags='-Wl,-E -Wl,-rpath,/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/armv4tl-linux/CORE' cccdlflags='-fpic', lddlflags='-shared' Characteristics of this binary (from libperl): Compile-time options: PERL_MALLOC_WRAP USE_LARGE_FILES USE_PERLIO Built under linux Compiled at Sep 20 2008 15:09:36 @INC: /local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/armv4tl-linux /local/lib/perl5/5.8.8 /local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/armv4tl-linux /local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /local/lib/perl5/site_perl . ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Illume Keyboard on 2008.11
Ed Kapitein wrote: Hi all, I upgraded to 2008.11 (daily image of 04 december 2008) and i lost my illume keyboard. All i have now is the useless predictive keyboard. Is there a way to re-install the illume keyboard again? I did uninstall and install illume again, to no avail. I am also missing a possibility to see the settings of illume. i did try the instructions on: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#How_to_install_the_illume_.28Raster.27s.29_keyboard_.3F to no avail. Thanks a lot for any pointer to fixing this, if i get it to work, i will add it to the wiki. Actually this is already in the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Toggle (at the very bottom) Bottom line: At the moment you have to switch themes to get Raster's keyboard back. Regards, Andreas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 10:47 +0100, KaZeR wrote: -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] De la part de Xavier Bestel Envoyé : mardi 9 décembre 2008 10:15 À : List for Openmoko community discussion Objet : Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06) On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 11:44 +0800, John Lee wrote: On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 12:16:03PM +0100, Xavier Bestel wrote: On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 11:24 -0800, Christoph Siegenthaler wrote: I've been testing todays openmoko-testing-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 together with testing-om-gta02-20081207.uImage.bin after following the ML without actually flashing my freerunner a lot (for a few weeks). BTW I just tested these images too, and I have no wifi (i.e. the settings allow to turn on GPS and Bluetooth, buth there's no more a WIFI entry). Is that expected ? Xav yes. please refer to https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2003 Mmh .. the ticket reads: Summary: Please take out suspend time 10 sec. So we only left 30 seconds, 60 seconds and Off. Let's but this in Milestone Om2008.10. I couldn't find an equivalent ticket in trac. In the first comment : commit log: disable wifi frontend (backend currently broken) Ugh. :( Thanks for the hint. Xav ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Illume Keyboard on 2008.11
Hi Andreas, Thanks for the pointer! It does give you the qwerty keyboard again, but the tradeoff is i get *** glibc detected *** enlightenment: realloc(): invalid next size: 0x0044cb10 *** quiet a lot. But that seems to be another problem. Kind regards, Ed SNIP Actually this is already in the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Toggle (at the very bottom) Bottom line: At the moment you have to switch themes to get Raster's keyboard back. Regards, Andreas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: geocaching with tangoGPS on FR
This is great A long time ago I wanted to start enjoying geocaching And now with your contribution, on my FR that will be great :wistle: Specially runing on the TangoGPS which is nicest GPS app I found runing on linux I would like to know when the tangoGPS application will support rounting and use it as my car drive GPS -( Nicolas Laurance wrote: Hi freephone users, I wrote a little python script that will inject geocaching positions into tangoGPS, so that you can use your freephone to locate the caches you select. You'll find screenshots, instructions and download at : http://www.zindep.com/blog-zindep/geocaching_tangogps I hope it can be of some use Nicolas -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/geocaching-with-tangoGPS-on-FR-tp1631491p1634250.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Funding Global Domination Mk II The Console
On 8 Dec 2008, at 12:23, Arigead wrote: ... So you'd have a PC Motherboard, TV out don't know what standard. Do all modern TV's take the same digital connection all over the world? Then you'll have a TV in signal for recording TV. Again I've no idea if that would mean different hardware all over the world. Ethernet, USB, Remote control. Nice plastics. A few companies have toyed with the idea of producing Open Console but to my knowledge nobody has ever really done it well ... Hi there, I, too, have thought about what open hardware I'd like to see on the market. Regarding video players, I think a terrabyte of storage - or any hard- drive - is excessive for a front-end box, and what I'd really like to see is a small-front end unit which streams data from the hard-drives on a back-end server or NAS. I also think that - if you want just basically a PC with a disk-drive - one could probably just buy one from the host of all the options already out there (Apple MacMini / iTV, Asus Eee Box, various Mini-ITX form-factor machines). I also fear there's little unique selling point to OpenMoko getting involved with something that's just basically a PC - what's to stop people from using the same software on a repurposed PC? What's compelling about buying the hardware? I have, however, been using MediaTomb a little recently, which is software for the backend server to stream your music videos to a set- top device. Many player devices are supported, but mostly these are all completely closed, hardware boxes one buys off the shelf at PC World or BestBuy. I use the PS3 in my livingroom to playback from a directory of videos on the MediaTomb server, but the PS3 isn't a terribly good player, as its very fussy about codecs. Like so many other devices its playback software is closed source. The problem with silent video front ends is power vs noise. And the best front ends for MediaTomb have hardware decoding on board. But they're closed source: http://www.popcornhour.com/onlinestore/ So what I think would be idea would be for OpenMoko - or someone like them - to produce a low-power media box with hardware decoding, and open-source drivers for the video-accelerator chip. The Popcorn devices have such an accelerator, but did I mention they're closed- source? (VIA used to do CPUs c 1ghz with extra MPEG decoders, but they have been very late to the game with their open-source chrome drivers). I should add that complaints about the Popcorn are that its interface is slow clumsy - this is easily the sort of thing that users can fix if they have access to the sources, whilst someone-like-Openmoko can stay concentrated on low-level drivers - Openmoko's core competency - for the video hardware. I should add that a built-in TV tuner is undesirable - should it be for cable, satellite or terrestrial digital TV - but USB ports would allow the user to tuners as they wish. There are open-source drivers already available for a number of devices, so there's no need to waste resources on that. I have a Linux-based device here which also suffers from slowness general quirkiness. It is an IP-KVM for remote access. Mine is branded Addison-Hughes, but Peppercorn many other manufacturers sold very similar devices apparently based on the same software stack - the web- based GUI is very distinctive. I think the OEM of that was Taiwanese, but good luck getting any information about it, as they clearly only sold to people buying their video-capturing chipsets. My IP-KVM is a godsend, allowing me to work on multiple computers - reinstalling Windows for customers, for example - without needing a monitor for each one (and the space that would consume) and to do so without leaving the comfort of the chair at my main workstation. But it is, as I said, slow quirky: there is SO much that the open-source community could do to improve this device, but I don't even bother asking for sources because bitter experience has shown that most mainstream suppliers - basically anyone using Linux in their embedded devices unless they go out of their way to make it a marketing focus - will only provide the minimum sources they're legally required to. EDIT: I was about to add that there used to be an open-source project that had started working on this then died; I was sure that was the scenario 6 months ago, but I now find them successful! Well done! I shall be reading more after I hit send. http://okvm.sourceforge.net/kvmoverip.html http://www.opengear.com/ This bitter experience stemmed from trying to unlock the Wanadoo Livebox ADSL router to use it with another ISP. I managed to find a firmware file, run `strings` on it and discovered it uses Linux, but it transpired that the closed source `adsld` will reject any PPPoA logon entered in the GUI if it doesn't end in @wanadoo.com. This has been hacked, but freedom has been
Re: Illume Keyboard on 2008.11
Ed Kapitein wrote: Hi Andreas, Thanks for the pointer! It does give you the qwerty keyboard again, but the tradeoff is i get *** glibc detected *** enlightenment: realloc(): invalid next size: 0x0044cb10 *** quiet a lot. But that seems to be another problem. That has also been discussed already. See: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1767 Regards, Andreas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
economic downturn: Openmoko unaffected?
All this news about economic downturn, is Openmoko unaffected? 經濟不景氣，我本墨客毫髮未傷？ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: geocaching with tangoGPS on FR
-Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] De la part de drac2000 Envoyé : mardi 9 décembre 2008 16:12 À : community@lists.openmoko.org Objet : Re: geocaching with tangoGPS on FR This is great A long time ago I wanted to start enjoying geocaching And now with your contribution, on my FR that will be great :wistle: +1 :) Specially runing on the TangoGPS which is nicest GPS app I found runing on linux I would like to know when the tangoGPS application will support rounting and use it as my car drive GPS -( I know it's a bit offtopic since it includes the word 'TangoGPS', but for that you might want to try http://download.navit-project.org/navit/openmoko/svn/navit-current_armv4.opk Some hints : - icon is broken in OM (fine in SHR), you need to copy /usr/icon/icons/hicolor/128x128/navit.png to /usr/icon/pixmaps/navit.png - edit /usr/share/navit/navit.xml, uncomment the line gui=internal, comment the line gui=gtk. I also advise you to uncomment the lines which enable zoomin and zoomout button on the osd, a few lines below. Those 2 pitfalls should be fixed really soon. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: perl for OM
El Tuesday, 9 de December de 2008 15:51:18 Ivan Shirokoff va escriure: Jose Luis Perez Diez пишет: El Monday, 8 de December de 2008 14:20:20 Ivan Shirokoff va escriure: Hello. Has anyone managed to compile perl for FR? I've compiled Perl 5.8 the Freeruner ( also Parrot on the 1974) but as others have said is easier to install it with opkg. Sounds cool. You mean Rakudo (Perl 6)? I mean just Parrot, Rakudo did not complete the test suite (cpan and some modules dont work with the busybox utilites), I have not spend time on it since September. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Funding Global Domination Mk II The Console
On Tuesday 09 December 2008, Stroller wrote: On 8 Dec 2008, at 12:23, Arigead wrote: ... So you'd have a PC Motherboard, TV out don't know what standard. Do all modern TV's take the same digital connection all over the world? Then you'll have a TV in signal for recording TV. Again I've no idea if that would mean different hardware all over the world. Ethernet, USB, Remote control. Nice plastics. A few companies have toyed with the idea of producing Open Console but to my knowledge nobody has ever really done it well ... Hi there, I, too, have thought about what open hardware I'd like to see on the market. [snip] The problem with silent video front ends is power vs noise. And the best front ends for MediaTomb have hardware decoding on board. But they're closed source: http://www.popcornhour.com/onlinestore/ So what I think would be idea would be for OpenMoko - or someone like them - to produce a low-power media box with hardware decoding, and open-source drivers for the video-accelerator chip. The Popcorn devices have such an accelerator, but did I mention they're closed- source? (VIA used to do CPUs c 1ghz with extra MPEG decoders, but they have been very late to the game with their open-source chrome drivers). The Neuros OSD2 is more or less what you're describing. It uses the Ti DaVinci which is closely related to the OMAP on the beagleboard. Development is in the open using OE, and the codecs can use the onboard DSP. The problem with it from my point of view is that it's not powerful enough to output 1080p. http://wiki.neurostechnology.com/index.php/OSD2.0_Development ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[2009.testing] Problems with GPRS multiplexing
Dear all, I'm having trouble getting GPRS multiplexing to work on the latest testing release. Any help would be appreciated a lot. I've followed the guide here: http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/openmoko-2.html#GPRS Installing the multiplexing software as per Florian Hackenberger's instructions: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/028495.html The /etc/ppp/peers/gprs, /etc/ppp/chat-gprs /etc/ppp/chap-secrets were copied from theteaparty.net, but edited with the specific details for Vodafone UK (contract). I also copied the ppd-start script: http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/data/pppd-start Running it returns: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ./pppd-start Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildSignaled: Process /usr/libexec/dbus-daemon-launch-helper received signal 4 @om-gta02:/home/root# The phone then becomes unresponsive. The process mediaserver seems to be consuming massive amounts of resources from boot. Input from people running a working multiplexing setup would be massively appreciated. Thanks, Joseph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: geocaching with tangoGPS on FR
KaZeR wrote: I know it's a bit offtopic since it includes the word 'TangoGPS', Not at all, you're welcome KaZeR wrote: but for that you might want to try http://download.navit-project.org/navit/openmoko/svn/navit-current_armv4.opk I already tried it with my maps.. but not successfully through engine finding paths and all that ... Was it successful for you finding and routing? What about speeching? KaZeR wrote: Some hints : - icon is broken in OM (fine in SHR), you need to copy /usr/icon/icons/hicolor/128x128/navit.png to /usr/icon/pixmaps/navit.png - edit /usr/share/navit/navit.xml, uncomment the line gui=internal, comment the line gui=gtk. I also advise you to uncomment the lines which enable zoomin and zoomout button on the osd, a few lines below. Those 2 pitfalls should be fixed really soon. I will give that a try again (Even if I still have preference to tangoGps which has better GUI design i think) Thanks drac, ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/geocaching-with-tangoGPS-on-FR-tp1631491p1634614.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] choice of root filesystem type?
On Tuesday 09 December 2008, arne anka wrote: Are there other fs types that are more suitable, and work with debian? the supposed wear of ext3 is caused by the journalling imo -- since journalling is, what you are after, there's nothing else. otoh there where a while ago some postings regarding the wear, and most were in favour of ext3, since the wear is not that heavy (still leaving a life expectancy of years). one eyewitness, though, reported instant corruption. I'm running ext3 on SD for FSO and SHR and it's survived 2months. I've got systems running ext3 on CF with reasonably heavy disk access and uptime now 3 years, so I'm not expecting the SD to fail any time soon. I'm more likely to replace it because I want a bigger card than because it's worn out. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any progress on the Telit UC864 3.5G modem?
Justyn, lots of changes in our hardware team, we hired some great new engineers, Adam Wang (production engineer), Ivorin Chen (layout engineer), Tully Gehan (mechanical engineer), Eva Lin (project coordinator). Working on more... As for MokoForesight, Shawn Lin left a while ago, so the whole idea is 'suspended' right now. WSOD is fixed so I'm sure it will resume properly at some point ;-) Telit has some great modules, we are not pursuing this any further at this moment, but there is a good chance we will at some point. Hope this helps, Best Regards, Wolfgang On Dec 9, 2008, at 5:58 AM, Justyn Butler wrote: Hi, It's been quite a while since the MokoForesight page was updated, so I was wondering whether any more research went into the Telit UC864G modem (3.5G with integrated GPS). On the MokoForesight page it says: Detailed documentation on Web. Can get even more documentation from reseller. First impression is good. UC864G includes all known bands and GPS receiver (saves more space complications). Which all sounded quite promising. Did it turn out to be a dead end? Regards, Justyn. ___ devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/devel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Funding Global Domination Mk II The Console
I was thinking that one possible area where an open platform is needed is The Console. For a open gaming platform you might want to look at http://openpandora.org/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: OMoney Milestone 1
Good job! Maybe it's worth an announcement here ? http://www.opkg.org/category_6.html (office) or http://www.opkg.org/category_7.html (pim) ? _ De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] De la part de Thomas Bumbl Envoyé : dimanche 7 décembre 2008 19:30 À : community@lists.openmoko.org Objet : OMoney Milestone 1 I'd like to announce the initial release of OMoney! OMoney ... bookkeeping on the go. One might ask, why the hell do we need a bookkeeping software on a phone? Because my experience shows that if one does not record the gains and expenses one forgets half of them. And ... Because we can. As OMoney is one of those release early, release often programs milestone 1 at the moment includes only the following corefeatures: * Displays the current available amount of money * One can do transactions to add and deduce money * Automatic keyboard call * A history table which includes date, time, amount, purpose and location of the transaction * Basic error handling Downloadlink for the ipk: [1] More features will come soon: Currently I am implementing a settings dialog (to e.g. set the currency [at the moment one has to edit a constant in the omoney file]) For more planned features look at the project's bug tracker. From a technical point of view OMoney uses: * python * python-ecore * python-evas * python-edje * python-etk (for entry and table widget) * python-sqlite3 What do I want from you? * Feedback:Do you like the app or do you think the author has gone round the bend? What could be improved? Features you would like to see? How could one display the history more efficiently? * Patches:If you think a part of code is inefficient, too unflexible, incomplete, buggy, etc feel free to contribute a patch. Be kind, this is my first application with GUI I hope there are a few people who find this application useful. The sources and the bugtracker are located here [2] P.S.: Special thanks to Ainulindale for helping me with bitbake. And special thanks [1] http://omoney.googlecode.com/files/omoney_milestone1-1-r0_armv4t.ipk [2] http://code.google.com/p/omoney/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: mplayer with glamo and audio - very slow
Nice find on the parameters.. With this ive been able to finally get some video actually moving on the screen.. So since its on the xover:glamo I couldnt get a the keyboard to show for controlling the video.. Any suggestions on what to do to make it it pause / change volume, etc? On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 2:32 AM, Leonti Bielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After passing right (less demanding) parameters for encoding and playing it's working now. I edited wiki-page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Video_Player regarding glamo acceleration for future reference. Although very high CPU consumption from Mplayer seems very strange. I'm sure glamo can do better (according to other user reports) than 15 fps with sound. Leonti ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[todays testing image] can't enter sim
Hi, I've just installed the daily testing image http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/. I have no idea which distro this is, 2008.9? Some more information (e.g. a readme.txt) would have been nice. Anyway.. after installing I needed to enter a SIM pincode and the only thing I can choose from are letters! Would be nice if someone could tell me how I can install a usable keyboard without unlocking my simcard on another phone. My old phone just died on me... Thanks. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [todays testing image] can't enter sim
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8_Keyboard#Changing_keyboard_layout with kind regards Patrick Am Dienstag, den 09.12.2008, 19:51 +0100 schrieb t m: Hi, I've just installed the daily testing image http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/. I have no idea which distro this is, 2008.9? Some more information (e.g. a readme.txt) would have been nice. Anyway.. after installing I needed to enter a SIM pincode and the only thing I can choose from are letters! Would be nice if someone could tell me how I can install a usable keyboard without unlocking my simcard on another phone. My old phone just died on me... Thanks. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [todays testing image] can't enter sim
2008/12/10 t m [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've just installed the daily testing image http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/. I have no idea which distro this is, 2008.9? Some more information (e.g. a readme.txt) would have been nice. Anyway.. after installing I needed to enter a SIM pincode and the only thing I can choose from are letters! Would be nice if someone could tell me how I can install a usable keyboard without unlocking my simcard on another phone. My old phone just died on me... slide your finger up to change keyboard to one with numbers. it's in the wiki and yes, it's 2008.x, and yes a readme would be very useful ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [todays testing image] can't enter sim
Thanks! Works indeed. Can't say that for the image itself though... already had to remove my battery once to reset the phone and got complaints about echo and buzz. On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 2008/12/10 t m [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've just installed the daily testing image http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/. I have no idea which distro this is, 2008.9? Some more information (e.g. a readme.txt) would have been nice. Anyway.. after installing I needed to enter a SIM pincode and the only thing I can choose from are letters! Would be nice if someone could tell me how I can install a usable keyboard without unlocking my simcard on another phone. My old phone just died on me... slide your finger up to change keyboard to one with numbers. it's in the wiki and yes, it's 2008.x, and yes a readme would be very useful ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
Le mardi 09 décembre 2008, Gothnet a écrit : John Lee wrote: OM is moving more focus to gta03 now, so my current resource for qtopia is fairly limited. It's been a few months since GTA02 went GA and we still don't really have a working system, focusing most effort on GTA03 now seems to be an abandonment of freerunner owners. The Osborne effect is exhibited when a company's premature revelation of information about future products results in customers not purchasing (or delaying purchases of) the current offering. It is a purported suicidal marketing mistake, but some say it's a myth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_Effect Respectfull note to Sean M-P: the community is not interested in a myth-dispelling experiment. Minh -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] choice of root filesystem type?
On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:24:30 pm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there other fs types that are more suitable, and work with debian? For the future I'd keep an eye on btrfs, it has an ssd mount option amongst other things (including checksumming your data on disk, snapshots, etc). -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any progress on the Telit UC864 3.5G modem?
2008/12/9 Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Justyn, lots of changes in our hardware team, we hired some great new engineers, Adam Wang (production engineer), Ivorin Chen (layout engineer), Tully Gehan (mechanical engineer), Eva Lin (project coordinator). Working on more... Good to hear! As for MokoForesight, Shawn Lin left a while ago, so the whole idea is 'suspended' right now. WSOD is fixed so I'm sure it will resume properly at some point ;-) Also good to hear that this research team might start up again. Telit has some great modules, we are not pursuing this any further at this moment, but there is a good chance we will at some point. I hope so. The sooner the cellular connectivity of the OM devices can be brought up-to-date, the better. Hope this helps, Best Regards, Wolfgang Thank you for this update. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Om2008.9 GPS Fix some help, please
Hi, I have a new freerunner for a week, and i'm testing software, and dists... This neo already have a capacitor on the sd slot, so i dont have hardware problem with SD card. But sometimes i can get a fix, and i can work TangoGPS with any problem! Other times, i can get nothing... Any solution for this? This can happen on different locations? Thanks in advance, Samuel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2008.9 GPS Fix some help, please
2008/12/10 Samuel Pereira [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have a new freerunner for a week, and i'm testing software, and dists... This neo already have a capacitor on the sd slot, so i dont have hardware problem with SD card. But sometimes i can get a fix, and i can work TangoGPS with any problem! Other times, i can get nothing... Any solution for this? This can happen on different locations? make sure you're outside, the freerunner is not in a pocket, bag, etc. and that there are no trees/buildings nearby. also, stand still till it gets a fix all these will help reduce time to first fix, after which you can move around, put it in your pocket, and so on, and it will keep the fix i hear manhole covers make good aerials, although this may be a myth - i imagine any large metal object will do the same ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: mplayer with glamo and audio - very slow
Surely is a lot of work and I don't really know how to do so, but tap the touch screen to play/pause and drag up and down to fast forward/reverse like omview does would be realy cool :) 2008/12/9 Martijn van den Broek [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Nice find on the parameters.. With this ive been able to finally get some video actually moving on the screen.. So since its on the xover:glamo I couldnt get a the keyboard to show for controlling the video.. Any suggestions on what to do to make it it pause / change volume, etc? On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 2:32 AM, Leonti Bielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After passing right (less demanding) parameters for encoding and playing it's working now. I edited wiki-page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Video_Player regarding glamo acceleration for future reference. Although very high CPU consumption from Mplayer seems very strange. I'm sure glamo can do better (according to other user reports) than 15 fps with sound. Leonti ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400 Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: economic downturn: Openmoko unaffected?
On Tuesday 09 December 2008 15:19:31 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All this news about economic downturn, is Openmoko unaffected? 經濟不景氣，我本墨客毫髮未傷？ We're still selling phones since the 'economic downturn' - though we're making less money because of the poor £/$ exchange rate! It'll be interesting to see whether openmoko concentrate on developing the GTA02 (which shouldn't involve capital outlay on new boards etc) or whether they tool up for the GTA03. -- Antony King www.truebox.co.uk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Funding Global Domination Mk II The Console
On 9 Dec 2008, at 16:12, Al Johnson wrote: ... So what I think would be idea would be for OpenMoko - or someone like them - to produce a low-power media box with hardware decoding, and open-source drivers for the video-accelerator chip. The Popcorn devices have such an accelerator, but did I mention they're closed- source? (VIA used to do CPUs c 1ghz with extra MPEG decoders, but they have been very late to the game with their open-source chrome drivers). The Neuros OSD2 is more or less what you're describing. It uses the Ti DaVinci which is closely related to the OMAP on the beagleboard. Development is in the open using OE, and the codecs can use the onboard DSP. The problem with it from my point of view is that it's not powerful enough to output 1080p. http://wiki.neurostechnology.com/index.php/OSD2.0_Development Is it released yet? I seem to remember the original Neuros (??) looked really inviting until I realised it offered only composite output. Apparently CPU of the Popcorn Hour is only 290mhz (MIPS) but it uses the Sigma Designs SMP8635 chipset for graphics acceleration, as does the DuneHD player. As you'll have guessed from the name of the latter they both do HD - 1080p. Apparently the same accelerator is used in some Blu-Ray players. If the Neuros OSD2 doesn't do HD then there's clearly room for competition - to be better than it. But it may not, of course, be possible to get the Sigma Designs chips - or any other suitable ones - without NDA. For me, personally, a fully open-source ADSL router would be more compelling. Whilst you can do just about anything you want with iptables, most of us need a separate ADSL box of some sort [1]. Given any arbitrary ADSL router I'm sure I could find something about it I don't quite like, for some certain obscure configuration. The Wanadoo Livebox has, for instance, a USB port, which would allow you to run a print server on it or BitTorrent to an external hard-drive (like the Asus WL-700gE). But you can't because it's bleedin' closed. Stroller. [1] ADSL2 being unsupported by Sangoma's 518, and it makes for kinda a large, power-hungry box if you need a PCI slot in it anyway. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2008.9 GPS Fix some help, please
Find a place about 80 feet from anything higher than the Freerunner. Leave the freerunner sitting for about 20 minutes, and you should be able to get a fix. Also, try to get the AGPS data from ublox if you're using a distribution which does not save the almanac. On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/12/10 Samuel Pereira [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have a new freerunner for a week, and i'm testing software, and dists... This neo already have a capacitor on the sd slot, so i dont have hardware problem with SD card. But sometimes i can get a fix, and i can work TangoGPS with any problem! Other times, i can get nothing... Any solution for this? This can happen on different locations? make sure you're outside, the freerunner is not in a pocket, bag, etc. and that there are no trees/buildings nearby. also, stand still till it gets a fix all these will help reduce time to first fix, after which you can move around, put it in your pocket, and so on, and it will keep the fix i hear manhole covers make good aerials, although this may be a myth - i imagine any large metal object will do the same ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: geocaching with tangoGPS on FR
drac2000 a écrit : I already tried it with my maps.. but not successfully through engine finding paths and all that ... What version was it? Was it successful for you finding and routing? Yes, but for France i'm using Reiseplanner maps (commercial, around 40e). What about speeching? True, i'm not using it right now. Haven't tried much in fact. KaZeR wrote: Some hints : - icon is broken in OM (fine in SHR), you need to copy /usr/icon/icons/hicolor/128x128/navit.png to /usr/icon/pixmaps/navit.png - edit /usr/share/navit/navit.xml, uncomment the line gui=internal, comment the line gui=gtk. I also advise you to uncomment the lines which enable zoomin and zoomout button on the osd, a few lines below. Those 2 pitfalls should be fixed really soon. I will give that a try again (Even if I still have preference to tangoGps which has better GUI design i think) Have you tried the internal gui? It's really well suited for small touchscreens like the FR. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Optimization, 2008.x, Jalimo issues
Am 08.12.2008 um 13:38 schrieb Joseph Reeves: GTK support seems mildly improved in the testing release, but I'm still having big troubles with it. Note, that relatively simple GTK apps, such as TangoGPS work without issue. We're running a complex GTK app: http://gvsigmobileonopenmoko.wordpress.com/ It works perfectly on 2007.2, but on 2008.x releases it suffers from multiple problems; layouting and stability seem to the big ones. It is improved when running on the latest testing release, but still not up to the standard of GTK applications on 2007.2. We were promised that we wouldn't need to worry about Openmoko moving away from GTK as the latest releases would still run GTK applications. However performance is clearly below an acceptable level. Yes, please file bugs. Please also attach the versions of cairo, gtk+, glib, pango from Om2007.2 and Om2008.8. Did you try to use a different theme engine? Is that changing the performance? z. Hi, Holger, all Joseph and I are collaborating to get this Java GIS application to run on Openmoko. We regularly update/upgrade from: http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/ http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/ We are currently using the java.awt package for the GUI and are having a few issues than we didn't see with Om 2007.2. We are drawing our map on a java.awt.Panel which is something we cannot change easily, but I think we can replace the other controls (buttons, dialogs, labels, etc.) with the Eclipse swt widgets and keep this awt panel for the map (embedded). Also we are going to test JamVM instead of cacao. We'll let you know how it goes. Cheers, Juan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: www.opkg.org - Update
useful api thanks :) 2008/12/8 Tobias Kündig [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello everyone! I finally found some time to work on www.opkg.org again. The biggest update is the launch of an API to access the packages database. There were also some other minor changes. For more details about the update and the API visit http://www.opkg.org/posting_2.html. Regards, Tobias ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400 Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Funding Global Domination Mk II The Console
Stroller wrote: For me, personally, a fully open-source ADSL router would be more compelling. Whilst you can do just about anything you want with iptables, most of us need a separate ADSL box of some sort [1]. Given any arbitrary ADSL router I'm sure I could find something about it I don't quite like, for some certain obscure configuration. The Wanadoo Livebox has, for instance, a USB port, which would allow you to run a print server on it or BitTorrent to an external hard-drive (like the Asus WL-700gE). But you can't because it's bleedin' closed. Out of curiosity, what's the main benefit in having a hackable ADSL router? Outside of consolidating router and modem? I've always bridged and considered an ADSL modem to be a transparent device whilst using OpenWRT on routers to perform all required networking and authentication. OpenWRT supports a lot of hardware, with quite a few sporting USB. Webcams, printservers, fileservers (nfs or external hdd) and a lot more is possible. There's even people using usb modems controlled by the router (possibly 3G wirless or like but I didn't read too deep). Unless there is something at the lower level that can be altered ... maybe to facilitate QOS and latency etc ... I can't see any benefit. Now if Openmoko were to create an OpenWRT compatible router with stupid amounts of storage space, awesome wireless range, a screaming CPU and the ability to have persistent system time across reboots (syncing to internal ntp for openvpn to even start is kinda annoying and external syncing is not 100%)... I'd buy that :) ... currently consumer routers (I use the Asus WL-500GP and WL-500W) are less than optimal, but do the job. Potentially there could be some affiliation as I don't believe there is any specific 'OpenWRT' router. Mm the OpenmokoWRT *drool* Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone
KaZeR wrote: I tested SHR yesterday. It gives a very good impression : the gui is very slick (especially when you like E) but i had no sound at all.. Am i the only one? No ringtone, no sound when tring to call my voice mail, no alarm.. I've been out of the loop for a while but check your kernel sound modules are loading (lsmod|grep snd). This has been a prob on more than one distribution. You may have to issue a moddep or you may not actually have the required modules. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Funding Global Domination Mk II The Console
2008/12/10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Potentially there could be some affiliation as I don't believe there is any specific 'OpenWRT' router. Mm the OpenmokoWRT *drool* I may be veering OT here, but Buffalo sell/sold a router with DDWRT pre-loaded. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Funding Global Domination Mk II The Console
Sam Kuper wrote: 2008/12/10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Potentially there could be some affiliation as I don't believe there is any specific 'OpenWRT' router. Mm the OpenmokoWRT *drool* I may be veering OT here, but Buffalo sell/sold a router with DDWRT pre-loaded. There are a few 'preloaded' openwrt based routers and derivitives. There is no official router however and certainly none with persistent system time that I know of :) Also, I'd say that openwrt or ddwrt was chosen to aquire an existing user base and to keep costs low while releasing a product capable of being configured by the least technical of end consumers. I'd be more inclined to want something that I can customise and rebrand, rather than something already branded, or requiring me to rip out what is already in place for something else. I'd be willing to bet the specifications are similar to existing consumer routers that can already run openwrt aswell. It is possible to create your own router with a routerboard ... but that's the space I'm suggesting to occupy, forget the software functionality (something om is pretty good at :P ... sorry ... bit harsh). It's more or less about choosing the best parts and hardware layout and config than it is about preloading openwrt. Sound familiar? :) Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
On Tuesday 09 December 2008 20:52:13 Gothnet wrote: OM is moving more focus to gta03 now, so my current resource for qtopia is fairly limited. I know it's important for OM to keep moving forward, but really, focusing on gta03? Already? It's been a few months since GTA02 went GA and we still don't really have a working system, focusing most effort on GTA03 now seems to be an abandonment of freerunner owners. I think there are some misunderstandings that need to be addressed: - Yes, our focus is shifting from Qtopia towards FSO / paroli / python. This happens gradually. - This has nothing todo with GTA0x - we are talking about software which will run across all devices. - We don't abandon the Freerunner. Furthermore it serves as our development platform as GTA03 does not come around any time soon. Its at an early stage of development (even internal developers don't have it). - We want to get the software into a much better shape to avoid the 02 experience. Sorry for the confusion, Marek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
yes joerg has a DRAFT version of the SOP for the buzz fix rework of A5/A6. Not everybody has the buzz issue. 1. It's a draft. 2. We need to have some independent test of the SOP arne anka wrote: buzz / echo / hiss... no software change can fix buzz. It's baked into the hardware and you will have to do fairly extreme meddling with your soldering iron to impact it. Thanks, I hadn't seen that so clearly stated before! (i.e. that buzz is known to be 100% a hardware issue). probably since everyone expects everyone else to know it :-) it was a hot topic some months ago, then someone (jörg?) came up with the definite statement that it is hw related. since then we're all waiting for working and more or less easy diy fix -- which seems to be reached now. weird though .. as I never experienced buzz in my calls (although I have to admit I didn't make more than 10 calls max uptill now) plug in the wired headset ... Echo reacts to some tweaking in alsa and maybe Calypso firmware option selection, I guess this turn up in rootfs images as best it can. OK, but do you need to be so imprecise about this? What can't there be a definitive solution? because the echo is caused only partially (if at all) by hardware. especially gsm 1800 providers like e-plus in germany have been reported as echo prone. additionally people reported different experiences depending on their location in time and space. and last but not least: nobody knews what exactly N0187 is doing, and if it will live trough firmware updates, since it is not documented. since echo is a very complex issue, there are more then just one solution more or less working for more or less people ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Crackly Calls and Battery Tips!
The DRAFT fix for the buzz problem is here: CP of joerg's mail. http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP__DRAFT!!__.pdf Please NOTE IT'S A DRAFT! It's not secret, but it's not yet destined to anybody not actively searching for it. Status of this paper is: should be exactly reproduce an A7 on A5/6 aidio-wise, but not yet tested. So go on on risk. cheers jOERG PS: all suggestions to improve this paper, as well as any reports on actually doing the mod are welcome and highly appreciated Leonti Bielski wrote: Hello and welcome to OM community :) 1.) This is so-called buzzing issue. It's hardware related and in a week or so a paper explaining how to do a fix will be available. You can read about it from those links: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware_Issues http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td675090|a675090 2.) From what you've written it seems like you don't suspend your phone. What image do you use? Anyways, you have to enable autosuspend - so phone will go to sleep while not being used and wake up only on certain events - call/message/cable connected/headset connected. Without suspend phone can work only for about 8 hours or a little more. With suspend my phone can be waiting for calls for a couple of days without any problems. Battery life is for a long time not a problem anymore. Tips: try to manually suspend your phone using power button (asu/fso/shr/debian). On QtExtended if I recall correctly autosuspend is disabled by default so you have to enable it to get the most of your battery life :) Leonti On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 7:49 PM, Dave Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello folks, Just a few questions really to kick start me being on this list. :-) I received my FreeRunner about a week or so ago and have just about got around to playing with it a bit more and actually using it. It's running FDOM based on recommendations, and picked up my Orange SIM and contacts without difficulty. A few issues I have had though: 1) Recipients of phone calls consistently seem to report a buzz / crackling during calls made from the FreeRunner. Apparently the buzz is particularly prevelant when I stop speaking, whilst I'm speaking the line seems to be clear enough - anyone suffered a similar issue and know / suspect it's cause? 2) Battery Life. I was warned by people before getting the phone that battery life wasn't great as of yet, and as I understand from what I have it is a fairly high priority. However, what do you folks do to maximise life out of your battery? The reason I ask is that with everything (bar GSM) turned off, and the phone mostly locked / on standby (30 second timeout for standby and blank screen are set up at the moment) I am struggling to get even 12 hours life out of it. To give an example from today, where I didn't get chance to glance at the phone whilst at work, it went from being fully charged at 08:00 (I took it off charge from the Desktop at that point) to being powered down and without the juice to startup at 16:30. So, what do you all do to get the most out of it, and what sort of life do you get? Whilst I can live with the battery as a work in progress, the crackliness would be interesting to find out if it's just my unit suffering, as it does make using it as my primary phone a little difficult! Thanks in advance, Dave ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 04:52:13AM -0800, Gothnet wrote: John Lee wrote: Olv is having kernel fun now, but since it's gta03 related, you probably won't see him a lot on the public kernel list. ... OM is moving more focus to gta03 now, so my current resource for qtopia is fairly limited. I know it's important for OM to keep moving forward, but really, focusing on gta03? Already? It's been a few months since GTA02 went GA and we still don't really have a working system, focusing most effort on GTA03 now seems to be an abandonment of freerunner owners. With the software in the state it was when the 02 came out, I certainly won't be buying a 03 until OM proves it can actually make something that's a useful product rather than just a public alpha. this goes double if the alpha product is essentially left for dead without ever being fully working. I shouldn't say gta03, I should say the next generation software we are going to use. Since people will switch to that software with their freerunner (gta02), it makes more sense to put more resource to work on that. My writing wasn't accurate enough. Sorry about that. - John ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
