odd behavior of illume keyboard
i want to add the beta (ß) character to my layout, but it it only works if i quote it to use the dict code: key 0 28 12 12 normal ß ß shift? question /code if i remove the quotes it doesn't send the character any help/suggestions? full content of file: ##KBDCONF-1.0 kbd 130 45 fuzz 20 # keyboard type type ALPHA # an icon for the keyboard so you know which one you have icon beta.png # if the key out is in quotes - q for example, then this key is used for # typing words and can be part of a dictionary match, any other key when # pressed will end the dictionary match (u can disable dictionary matching in # a layout by not having any outputs in quotes) key 0 0 12 12 normal q q shiftQ Q key 13 0 12 12 normal w w shiftW W key 26 0 12 12 normal e e shiftE E key 39 0 12 12 normal r r shiftR R key 52 0 12 12 normal t t shiftT T key 65 0 12 12 normal z z shiftZ Z key 78 0 12 12 normal u u shiftU U key 91 0 12 12 normal i i shiftI I key 104 0 12 12 normal o o shiftO O key 117 0 12 12 normal p p shiftP P key 6 14 12 12 normal a a shiftA A key 19 14 12 12 normal s s shiftS S key 32 14 12 12 normal d d shiftD D key 45 14 12 12 normal f f shiftF F key 58 14 12 12 normal g g shiftG G key 71 14 12 12 normal h h shiftH H key 84 14 12 12 normal j j shiftJ J key 97 14 12 12 normal k k shiftK K key 110 14 12 12 normal l l shiftL L key 13 28 12 12 normal y y shiftY Y key 26 28 12 12 normal x x shiftX X key 39 28 12 12 normal c c shiftC C key 52 28 12 12 normal v v shiftV V key 65 28 12 12 normal b b shiftB B key 78 28 12 12 normal n n shiftN N key 91 28 12 12 normal m m shiftM M key 104 28 12 12 normal shift.png is_shift key 117 28 12 12 normal . period shift, comma key 0 28 12 12 normal ß ß shift? question ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No more optimization team
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 9:28:43 pm David Garabana Barro wrote: 1) If I want to receive calls with phone suspended, I have only one option: SHR As SHR is based in FSO, I suppose you're right, FSO should also work. But only SHR works out of the box. I have tried FSO M4, but I haven't tried to force calypso to never deep sleep. FWIW I can receive calls when suspected with Qt Extended. -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: odd behavior of illume keyboard
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:11:50 +0100 Bernd Prünster bernd.pruens...@gmail.com babbled: i want to add the beta (ß) character to my layout, but it it only works if i quote it to use the dict code: key 0 28 12 12 normal ß ß shift? question /code if i remove the quotes it doesn't send the character any help/suggestions? correct. you need quotes if u define the key output as a STRING. otherwise without quotes its a keysym (key symbol name). example: Keysym | String comma | , period | . dollar | $ space | etc. - read up on x11 and keysyms for more info :) if the string is in quotes this tells illume it's a string and needs conversion TO a keysym that x has. if x has no keysym for that output string - it won't work at all. full content of file: ##KBDCONF-1.0 kbd 130 45 fuzz 20 # keyboard type type ALPHA # an icon for the keyboard so you know which one you have icon beta.png # if the key out is in quotes - q for example, then this key is used for # typing words and can be part of a dictionary match, any other key when # pressed will end the dictionary match (u can disable dictionary matching in # a layout by not having any outputs in quotes) key 0 0 12 12 normal q q shiftQ Q key 13 0 12 12 normal w w shiftW W key 26 0 12 12 normal e e shiftE E key 39 0 12 12 normal r r shiftR R key 52 0 12 12 normal t t shiftT T key 65 0 12 12 normal z z shiftZ Z key 78 0 12 12 normal u u shiftU U key 91 0 12 12 normal i i shiftI I key 104 0 12 12 normal o o shiftO O key 117 0 12 12 normal p p shiftP P key 6 14 12 12 normal a a shiftA A key 19 14 12 12 normal s s shiftS S key 32 14 12 12 normal d d shiftD D key 45 14 12 12 normal f f shiftF F key 58 14 12 12 normal g g shiftG G key 71 14 12 12 normal h h shiftH H key 84 14 12 12 normal j j shiftJ J key 97 14 12 12 normal k k shiftK K key 110 14 12 12 normal l l shiftL L key 13 28 12 12 normal y y shiftY Y key 26 28 12 12 normal x x shiftX X key 39 28 12 12 normal c c shiftC C key 52 28 12 12 normal v v shiftV V key 65 28 12 12 normal b b shiftB B key 78 28 12 12 normal n n shiftN N key 91 28 12 12 normal m m shiftM M key 104 28 12 12 normal shift.png is_shift key 117 28 12 12 normal . period shift, comma key 0 28 12 12 normal ß ß shift? question ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] M4.1 issues (GPS, Suspend)
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@openmoko.org wrote: Yes, integration with illume -- or X and a window manager in general is not perfect yet. Well, at least it works :) Yes, I have seen this, but not been able to reproduce with meaningful logs. I would appreciate creating an FSO ticket w/ debug logs. I'll try to get you those. It's not that hard to reproduce, but setting a debug environment seemed a little daunting to me. But it's just a matter of time, I guess :) BTW, one of the previous posters suggested restarting Zhone when the problem occurs, and I can confirm that it works for me so far. Not a perfect solution, but at least I can keep on using FSO (already had a few calls in and out, and no echo noticed by me nor by my callers/callees). You have run 'mdbus -s -l' in another shell? cli-framework is not able to show you the async. signals. Tried this. I see some signals occuring in the mdbus shell, but nothing related to GPS, no matter how long I keep it on or how often I query it from cli-framework. Odd, I would at least expect some kind of I'm not working signals, but there nothing. -- Olivier ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] network link down on windows after opkg update
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:41:01AM +0100, KaZeR wrote: Hi everyone. I ran opkg update opkg upgrade this morning. I saw a new kernel was installed, so i rebooted the phone. After reboot, windows sees the usb device, but no link.. I'm currently not at home, so i only have access to a windows computer. Anything i could do to try to get back access to my FR? Anyone else has the same issue? Yep, had the same issue. I noticed that networking wasn't started at boot anymore after an okpg upgrade. Try to open the terminal on the FR and do ifup usb0 to bring up USB networking manually. I think the reason for this issue is a change in the initscripts. I fixed it by forcing an install of the package initscripts-shr as a replacement for initscripts (opkg hadn't done that automatically, because the difference in versioning made it look like a downgrade). HTH, Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No more optimization team
On Monday 15 December 2008 11:18:03 Yogiz wrote: On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:38:31 +1100 FWIW I can receive calls when suspected with Qt Extended. As can I with 2008.9 testing. I have tried all those, you can believe me. Even the latest OM testing image fails for me. I also suspect nearly all my suspend/resume failures are related to #1024. I'm just waiting to SHR to fail on a suspend/resume cycle. Qtextended (every version), 2008.x (I've tried all), FSO, FDOM, fails for me sooner or later. And the sympthoms are allways the same. They resume until they simply stop answering power buttom press. There is not WSOD, they simply doesn't try to resume. I have to hard reset (get off battery and wait a couple seconds) for Neo to revive. It normally, but nor allways, happens after a long suspend cycle. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] network link down on windows after opkg update
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Thomas B tomm...@gmx.net wrote: I think the reason for this issue is a change in the initscripts. I fixed it by forcing an install of the package initscripts-shr as a replacement for initscripts (opkg hadn't done that automatically, because the difference in versioning made it look like a downgrade). Well, unfortunately, guys, we generate images at an insane rate these days to test our (in fact MrMoku's) patches for fastboot and such. We also changed a bunch of revisions, and some package naming conventions, which were, sufficed to say, ugly. That's why these days, opkg update'ing wasn't a good solution :-). I'd suggest to reflash if this kind of problem surfaces again. Don't worry, though, as soon as our unstable image building process will be fine, we won't apply this stuff directly on testing. -- Julien Cassignol http://www.ainulindale.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No more optimization team
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:38:31 +1100 Chris Samuel ch...@csamuel.org wrote: On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 9:28:43 pm David Garabana Barro wrote: 1) If I want to receive calls with phone suspended, I have only one option: SHR As SHR is based in FSO, I suppose you're right, FSO should also work. But only SHR works out of the box. I have tried FSO M4, but I haven't tried to force calypso to never deep sleep. FWIW I can receive calls when suspected with Qt Extended. As can I with 2008.9 testing. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] network link down on windows after opkg update
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:41 AM, KaZeR ka...@altern.org wrote: I ran opkg update opkg upgrade this morning. I saw a new kernel was installed, so i rebooted the phone. After reboot, windows sees the usb device, but no link.. I'm currently not at home, so i only have access to a windows computer. Anything i could do to try to get back access to my FR? yes, i had that problem; just type in a terminal app on your FR: ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.202 Ainulindale also said he fixed it and will generate a new image, but currently projects.openmoko.org seems to be down ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Newer Navit [was: geocaching with tangoGPS on FR]
I downloaded the tar and it definitely looks ALOT nicer and feels more stable than the version I tried out before! Great job! One question though, I tried to follow the wiki to get a new map loaded, I downloaded the planet.bin file and moved it to the FR, and made a xml file for it (looks just like the one included for the test map, but to planet.bin)...but whenever I load up navit, I just get a brown screen where the map should be. Is there something else that is required? -Dan Staley On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 03:09 -0500, KaZeR wrote: Dan Staley a écrit : Where could we find this new package? Is it the one linked to on the wiki? I'd like to try it out on my debian install. -Dan Staley Ah, sorry, i forgot the link. http://download.navit-project.org/navit/ You will find there nightly builds for every kind of supported platforms. BTW, the build from this night contains a new feature: background search. Might be a bit buggy, feedback wanted! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Newer Navit [was: geocaching with tangoGPS on FR]
KaZeR wrote: Finally I've seen this screenshot [1] in scap, is this an EFL implementation of Navit? It seems to use the enlightenment toolkit both for the buttons and for the map rendering (better than the GTK from what I can see there). Have you some informations about this shot? :P Yes, it's a work in progress by 'quickdev'. But there is still a lot of work to be done :) Ok, btw do you have some code to share? :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...
I hope someone here can direct me to the correct forum for this. I have a Neo (No SIMM card in it!!) and I had the wifi access to my Access Point all configured. I was trying to configure this to be automated at startup of the Neo and had no problems. Then, I just rebooted the Neo (I had changed something on my Access Point, not the Neo) and the Neo stopped being able to boot successfully. I get the following lines on the screen after it has just stopped booting: [ 204.715000] PM:Removing info for No Bus:vcs2 [ 204.72] PM:Removing info for No Bus:vcsa2 Essentially the Neo is now a brick. I'm wondering where to go from here. I have installed 2008 version of the s/w on the phone. Cheers!! -- John Dowd jd...@slashdevslashnull.org 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2009.testing] Problems with GPRS multiplexing
test image with GPRS work http://openmoko.spb.ru/viewtopic.php?f=9t=8 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-2009.testing--Problems-with-GPRS-multiplexing-tp1634563p1658679.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Newer Navit [was: geocaching with tangoGPS on FR]
-Message d'origine- De : Dan Staley [mailto:dlst...@uky.edu] Envoyé : lundi 15 décembre 2008 16:05 À : KaZeR Cc : openmoko community Objet : Re: Newer Navit [was: geocaching with tangoGPS on FR] I downloaded the tar and it definitely looks ALOT nicer and feels more stable than the version I tried out before! Great job! One question though, I tried to follow the wiki to get a new map loaded, I downloaded the planet.bin file and moved it to the FR, and made a xml file for it (looks just like the one included for the test map, but to planet.bin)...but whenever I load up navit, I just get a brown screen where the map should be. Is there something else that is required? If you used navit before, maybe it remembers your last viewing coordinates (until it gets a fix). Check if you have ~/.navit/center.txt, if so you can remove it. Do you have a gps signal? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
Dear friends, Sean kindly agreed to be interviewed for the next edition of the Community Update newsletter. I invite every subscriber of this list to post the question or questions that s-he cares about most. No gloves. The general topic is Openmoko, the community, past-present-future, but yours truly will select with undue care the 3-5 most interesting / provocative / popular / relevant / funny / whatever and forward them to Sean next Monday. You may send your questions in this mailing list thread or privately to me. Minh PS: Everybody knows that Sean Moss-Pultz is Openmoko CEO, but you may also be interested to find that many of his past interviews are available here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko:Current_events http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Press_Coverage ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions on new Android rootfs
Rui, This looks really bazaar. What version of hardware do you have? Have you updated the GSM firmware? The initial chat should look like: D/AT ( 2004): CHAT AT-Command Interpreter ready D/AT ( 2004): CHAT ATZ D/AT ( 2004): CHAT ATZ D/AT ( 2004): CHAT OK D/AT ( 2004): CHAT ATE0Q0V1 D/AT ( 2004): CHAT ATE0Q0V1 D/AT ( 2004): CHAT OK D/AT ( 2004): CHAT AT+CMUX=1,0,5,128 D/AT ( 2004): CHAT OK D/AT ( 2004): Control channel opened D/AT ( 2004): Logical channel 1 opened D/AT ( 2004): MUX[1] AT D/AT ( 2004): Modem status command on channel 1 D/AT ( 2004): No frames allowed D/AT ( 2004): Command acknowledged by the mobile station D/AT ( 2004): MUX[1] AT-Command Interpreter ready D/AT ( 2004): MUX[1] OK D/AT ( 2004): MUX[2] AT D/AT ( 2004): Logical channel 2 opened D/AT ( 2004): Modem status command on channel 2 D/AT ( 2004): No frames allowed D/AT ( 2004): MUX[2] AT-Command Interpreter ready D/AT ( 2004): Command acknowledged by the mobile station D/AT ( 2004): MUX[2] AT D/AT ( 2004): MUX[2] OK D/RIL ( 2004): Connecting GPRS channel to tty /dev/pts/1 D/AT ( 2004): MUX[1] ATE0Q0V1 Note that yours doesn't go into mux mode and the chat seems out of sync. I've bumped up the timeouts on the chat. Can you place the attached file into /system/lib on your phone? I'm not sure how easy that will be for you as adb lets you remount /system but for us it isn't a filesystem. :( Rui Castro wrote: Hi, great, the kill-server command did the trick. Here's my radio logcat. On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:37 AM, Sean McNeil s...@mcneil.com wrote: Rui Castro wrote: Hi, With the current kernel and jffs2 image, my GSM network is never available. I can't produce the radio log because I can't get adb to connect to neo! It shows - waiting for device - all the time. Hmm... Can you ping the phone? Sometimes an old server for adb gets left laying around and you need to do a ADBHOST=neo ./adb kill-server to clear it out. On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:11 AM, Sean McNeil s...@mcneil.com wrote: Looks like no response from the modem. Perhaps there is an issue with turning it on. I've seen this happen here on occasion and a reboot resolves it. Cédric Berger wrote: On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 05:35, Sean McNeil s...@mcneil.com wrote: Can you send me the output of ADBHOST=neo ./adb logcat -b radio No GSM for me either. And SIM contacts import fails too (says no contacts on SIM). (I aso tried in settings to register to networks, but it already was failing with previous images) adb logcat -b radio : I/RIL ( 857): Opening tty device /dev/s3c2410_serial0,115200 I/RIL ( 857): Setting tty device parameters D/AT ( 857): CHAT D/AT ( 857): D/AT ( 857): D/AT ( 857): AT D/AT ( 857): CHAT AT-Command Interpreter ready D/AT ( 857): CHAT ATZ D/AT ( 857): CHAT OK D/AT ( 857): CHAT ATE0Q0V1 D/AT ( 857): CHAT ATZ D/AT ( 857): CHAT OK D/AT ( 857): CHAT AT+CMUX=1,0,5,128 D/AT ( 857): CHAT ATE0Q0V1 D/AT ( 857): CHAT OK D/RIL ( 857): Connecting GPRS channel to tty /dev/pts/0 E/RIL ( 857): Error creating PPP options file: /data/ppp/options.gprs. D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] ATE0Q0V1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] ATE0Q0V1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] ATE0Q0V1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] ATE0Q0V1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] ATE0Q0V1 I/RIL ( 857): AT channel timeout; closing D/AT ( 857): MUX[2] ATE0Q0V1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[2] ATE0Q0V1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[2] ATE0Q0V1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[2] ATE0Q0V1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[2] ATE0Q0V1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] AT+CRC=1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] AT+CRC=1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] AT+CRC=1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] AT+CRC=1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] AT+CRC=1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] ATS0=0 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] ATS0=0 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] ATS0=0 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] ATS0=0 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] ATS0=0 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] AT+CMEE=1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] AT+CMEE=1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] AT+CMEE=1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] AT+CMEE=1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] AT+CMEE=1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[2] AT+CMEE=1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[2] AT+CMEE=1 I/RIL ( 857): Re-opening after close I/RIL ( 857): Setting tty device parameters D/AT ( 857): CHAT D/AT ( 857): D/AT ( 857): D/AT ( 857): AT D/AT ( 857): CHAT AT D/AT ( 857): MUX[2] AT+CMEE=1 D/AT ( 857): CHAT ATZ D/AT ( 857): MUX[2] AT+CMEE=1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[2] AT+CMEE=1 I/RIL ( 857): AT channel timeout; closing D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] AT+CREG=2 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] AT+CREG=2 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] AT+CREG=2 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] AT+CREG=2 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] AT+CREG=2 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] AT+CREG=1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] AT+CREG=1 D/AT ( 857):
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
* It's still more reliable and easy to use a 20EUR cellphone than use the FR as a daily phone, more than six months after Openmoko said it was mass market ready. I love the FR, but should we admit that some things really went wrong? (for example working on a graphical installer app before telephony worked fine, or when everyone was craving for the qwerty button (I never heard even one user who said he didn't want it) and nobody listened? Will things change? *do you use the FR? As your daily phone? Why not? Which distro do you prefer? Which app is your favorite? *how many FR's haven been sold? (if possible some statistics with regards to continents/countries) * _guess_ the ETA of GTA03 * show us a funny pic of you in a openmoko t-shirt and geek-cap On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Minh Ha Duong hadu...@centre-cired.fr wrote: Dear friends, Sean kindly agreed to be interviewed for the next edition of the Community Update newsletter. I invite every subscriber of this list to post the question or questions that s-he cares about most. No gloves. The general topic is Openmoko, the community, past-present-future, but yours truly will select with undue care the 3-5 most interesting / provocative / popular / relevant / funny / whatever and forward them to Sean next Monday. You may send your questions in this mailing list thread or privately to me. Minh PS: Everybody knows that Sean Moss-Pultz is Openmoko CEO, but you may also be interested to find that many of his past interviews are available here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko:Current_events http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Press_Coverage ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Updates/December 15th, 2008
good job, I find this a very good initiative Minh! On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Jakob jackram...@googlemail.com wrote: Thanks for another great community update. It really helps me to keep track of what's going on in the community. Keep it up Minh! Jake ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[ANNOUNCE] Neon 0.9 : Code name 'Minimal'
Hi everyone, The first version of Neon has been released yesterday. Neon is a simple image viewer written in Python/EFL. It's designed to be lightweight, fast, and easy to use. This is the first usable version with minimal features and basic gui. Everything should work pretty well, you may just experience few usability issues with filesystem browser scrolling which is slow with stable kernels 2.6.24 and acceptable with Andy's kernel 2.6.28. You can download it and see some screenshots on the project Home Page: http://neon.projects.openmoko.org/ Regards Valéry ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Community Updates/December 15th, 2008
Dear friend, Welcome back to the Seventh edition of our community Community Updates newsletter. It was actually chilly around here, especially when John announced that the Optimization Team was disbanded, but there was still no release. A perfect weather to sip hot drinks from a fan mug bought at the newly opened Openmoko merchandise online store. The money will go to community projects, for example bounties set up at cofundos.org, where ideas and money-rich but time-poors users can meet the enterprising hackers. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/December_15th%2C_2008 Contents * 1 Applications * 2 Distributions * 3 Infrastructure * 4 Hardware * 5 Community * 6 Direct from Openmoko o 6.1 Current stable image o 6.2 Mickey's framework milestones o 6.3 Next major release, Om2009 o 6.4 Position available *** Applications *** These weeks, new or updated applications are arriving almost every day. I cannot wait for Chrismas break, when people will really have time to hobby code ! New: * OpenTTD. An open source clone of the popular Transport Tycoon Deluxe game. * Enotes (formerly fido) a TODO list manager written with elementary, designed for distributions that use illume, like SHR. * OMoney a bookkeeping application to track daily incomes and expenses. * ePiano 0.1 A virtual piano keyboard to play simple songs. * SCR 1.432 (new on opkg) a alternative input method for entring text with your finger. * ZOMG! the embryo of a graphical package manager in Java. * Alex O. of the MokSec project released a call control firewall (ipk) based on a black- and whitelist system. Next up is integration with FSO, which needs a filtering extension. Updated: * TwitterMoko O.4. Packaging improvements following suggestions by experienced Debian Dev. * Gpsdcontrol 0.4. A Python script to turn on/off gpsd and gps antenna from the desktop. Add: icon changes to show GPS system state. * Orrery 2.3. Added a Planet Compass (on opts menu), dates of major moon phases, minor bugfixes. * neoqplayer 0.2 sunset. Finger friendly, cover show, playlist view, nicer theme, bugfixes. * gtkaddpoi 0.5a, SHR compatibility fix. * Aphasia A very innovative project to communicate with images rather than sounds, experimental code. Now using dbus. * Paroli gets some documentation and a wiki page. * OMNewRotate 0.5.2, desktop icon and script, uses autotools, fix suspend bug. * Navit is a car navigation system with routing engine. Nathan K. wrote that the newer opkg were a vast improvement (the directory can also be used as a feed). Note to projects.openmoko.org project admins: Please consider announcing new releases/updates, as the GForge engine does not do it automatically. *** Distributions *** Okay, we are still waiting to see which distribution will be the first to get out officially with the newer 2.6.28 kernel. * Android really jumped up in the hit-parade of the most popular pages. The wiki page with installation instructions has moved to Android on Freerunner, so from now on please use the page User_talk:Seanmcneil3 for discussion. Koolu's Android git is online at http://git.koolu.org/. * The Debian wiki page still needs a good cleanup. * FDOM successfully moved its build system to an OpenEmbedded overlay and is considering jumping over from ASU stable to ASU testing. * Qt Extended (formerly Qtopia). The currently best version seem to be Hypnotize's unofficial ones. Lorn (our liaison Software Engineer at Nokia) will try to get an official snapshot out before the solstice. * SHR latest Dec. 9th image has fastboot patches in. * An FSO user suggested that it was time to test the newer kernel, that the needed changes described on FSO's trac were minor. He reported good things about it. * Hackable:1 build system is ready, image released and how you can join email. *** Infrastructure *** * The hottest and bloodiest kernels are at Andy's. They have Nicolas Dufresne's patches for WSOD, a power supply driver (pcf50633 rewrite), touchscreen reliability improvements, a WLAN driver using the mainline SDIO stack, almost Android-readiness, plus all the Kernel features and fixes between 2.6.24 and 2.6.28, especially resume/suspend improvements. As these kernels are larger than 2MB, one need to meddle with u-Boot or use Qi to test them and the newer /sys. * Openmoko used to build its distribution using its own copy of OpenEmbedded's Bitbake tree, hosted in its own git under project name org.openmoko.dev. That project has been terminated. Local changes are now being backported upstream so that FSO and everybody else benefits. From now on, further fixes or updates should be directly committed upstream to OpenEmbedded *** Hardware*** * Erin documented how to use the OBEX protocol to send files via Bluetooth. * Someone asked how to
20eur cellphone more relaible than FR (was Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz....)
U Pon, 15. 12. 2008., u 17:19 +0100, Yorick Moko je napisao: * It's still more reliable and easy to use a 20EUR cellphone than use the FR as a daily phone, more than six months after Openmoko said it was mass market ready. Where did Openmoko said FR is mass market ready? I thought i was only developer-friendly. signature.asc Description: Dio poruke sa digitalnim potpisom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 20eur cellphone more relaible than FR (was Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz....)
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Milos Mandaric mi...@manda.com.ba wrote: U Pon, 15. 12. 2008., u 17:19 +0100, Yorick Moko je napisao: * It's still more reliable and easy to use a 20EUR cellphone than use the FR as a daily phone, more than six months after Openmoko said it was mass market ready. Where did Openmoko said FR is mass market ready? I thought i was only developer-friendly. when I ordered two, it was stated it was mass market phone; (mid-june 2008) after some time they changed it WARNING: this is just a statement, not meant to start another rant-thread, because there are already enough of them I like my FR and enjoy it a lot ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com writes: nearly resolved in SHR for example, but the volume is still too low Have you set 'Speaker Playback Volume' to 127? extended period in phone. The Framework is making good progress, but i still miss calls or don't receive sms'es. Qtopia is ok (the version Interesting, I have not missed calls for a while. Did you have workaround for #1024? but in the end I just want a working, reliable phone and I hope I won't have to wait another half year Don't wait, hack! :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
Hi there, I first know from openmoko reading Harald's Welte blog [1] two years ago, and after some reading I thought Openmoko was a great project. Time past and Harald quitted. He explain a llittle it about it in his blog but I was too in love with the idea of a free and open phone/pda and I kept reading about it. Some time later Openmoko hired the Rasterman and a little bit later he quitted too. Now it's been a while since Michel Siloh doesn't write. I know you don't need/have to explan that, and I'm not really sure if I'd like to know what happened, but two of the best hackers are gone, and they could have help a lot more as full time OM developers. Hum... not really a question. Sorry. Thank you Sean an everyone on the OM tema for your time and effort. Let's keep impacting the material world. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/linux/openmoko/index.html Minh Ha Duong escribió: Dear friends, Sean kindly agreed to be interviewed for the next edition of the Community Update newsletter. I invite every subscriber of this list to post the question or questions that s-he cares about most. No gloves. The general topic is Openmoko, the community, past-present-future, but yours truly will select with undue care the 3-5 most interesting / provocative / popular / relevant / funny / whatever and forward them to Sean next Monday. You may send your questions in this mailing list thread or privately to me. Minh PS: Everybody knows that Sean Moss-Pultz is Openmoko CEO, but you may also be interested to find that many of his past interviews are available here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko:Current_events http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Press_Coverage ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [SHR] network link down on windows after opkg update
-Message d'origine- Well, unfortunately, guys, we generate images at an insane rate these days to test our (in fact MrMoku's) patches for fastboot and such. We also changed a bunch of revisions, and some package naming conventions, which were, sufficed to say, ugly. That's why these days, opkg update'ing wasn't a good solution :-). I'd suggest to reflash if this kind of problem surfaces again. Don't worry, though, as soon as our unstable image building process will be fine, we won't apply this stuff directly on testing. Well, so far i haven't seen any other issue excepted the network not auto starting (btw, thanks Yorick Thomas). At first i thought it was related to the use of windows, cause i already had a few issues in the past (Reboot with android image or OM-testing+2.6.28 kernel). Julien, please let us now when your images are more stable.. SHR is my current favorite distro :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Navit actions menu layout ?
Are you trying to compute a long trip? no, just looking what navit is able to. i take it the starting point is my current location? then it would have been about 7 kilometers -- how long is that supposed to take? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR] GPRS / FATAL: Error inserting ppp_mppe
Hi community, I'm trying to get gprs to work on my SHR, and it seems i'm getting close. I only have this error left : daemon.notice modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting ppp_mppe (/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/drivers/net/ppp_mppe.ko): No such device Can anybody help? Thanks in advance! K- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Navit actions menu layout ?
arne anka wrote: Are you trying to compute a long trip? no, just looking what navit is able to. i take it the starting point is my current location? then it would have been about 7 kilometers -- how long is that supposed to take? I calculated a route of about 6km and it only took some seconds to calculate the route. But this route is quite easy with mostly streets outside of a city. ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Navit actions menu layout ?
KaZeR wrote: Fox Mulder a écrit : KaZeR wrote: Lothar Behrens a écrit : It works, but what I mean, is, these are partly out of screen: *=* | | | | ** ** ** || || || || || || ** ** ** | | | | | | ** ** ** || || || || || || ** ** ** | | | | *=* Can these buttons moved by configuration ? Moved, no, resized, yes. It's really weird, since we have the same device, we should have the same results :) I think i know which problem he means because i got the same. The screen layout is upwards like in the nice ascii picture and not in landscape mode. Then the 3 initial buttons are in three columns and the outer two gets out of the screen. It seems that the button arrangement is meant for landscape mode. I had to adjust the icon size to see all three. So it would be good if the arrangement of these buttons could be changed to a matrix of 2/3 cols and 2/3 rows. So i can use 2x3 or 3x2 for buttons layout in conjunction with normal or landscape screen orientation. Well, it's true that the gui is more meant to be used in landscape mode. I personally use omnewrotate, so i don't have to care about rotating the screen. What about using the trick that was posted a few weeks ago for a game, consisting of writing a wrapper script which rotates the script, then launch navit? About the matrix mode, i suggest that you post a feature request on the tracker : http://trac.navit-project.org I only have this problem because within debian the xglamo server isn't very good and the default framebuffer driver doesn't support screen rotation. Therefore at the moment i can only use navit in upscale mode. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] GPRS / FATAL: Error inserting ppp_mppe
2008/12/15 KaZeR ka...@altern.org: Hi community, I'm trying to get gprs to work on my SHR, and it seems i'm getting close. I only have this error left : daemon.notice modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting ppp_mppe (/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/drivers/net/ppp_mppe.ko): No such device Can anybody help? Thanks in advance! K- I see this error as well, but GPRS still works fine for me, which leads me to believe that if GPRS is not working for you then it's likely something other than that error. Or maybe it does work and you're just wondering about the cause of the error (which I don't know). Nathan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] GPRS / FATAL: Error inserting ppp_mppe
Am Monday 15 December 2008 18:13:19 schrieb KaZeR: Hi community, I'm trying to get gprs to work on my SHR, and it seems i'm getting close. I only have this error left : daemon.notice modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting ppp_mppe (/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/drivers/net/ppp_mppe.ko): No such device This is harmless and does not affect ppp working. -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Neon 0.9 : Code name 'Minimal'
Yes, that is really nice! As Yorick said, a fullscreen toggle would make it even better. One other thing ... when I select an image to view, by default the button bars at the top and bottom don't display without my clicking in that region. Maybe that is by design, but since the image never occupies that space at first it might be nice to have it show by default. Thanks! Nathan 2008/12/15 Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com: I like it! but could you include a fullscreen-toggle button? On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Valery Febvre vfeb...@easter-eggs.com wrote: Hi everyone, The first version of Neon has been released yesterday. Neon is a simple image viewer written in Python/EFL. It's designed to be lightweight, fast, and easy to use. This is the first usable version with minimal features and basic gui. Everything should work pretty well, you may just experience few usability issues with filesystem browser scrolling which is slow with stable kernels 2.6.24 and acceptable with Andy's kernel 2.6.28. You can download it and see some screenshots on the project Home Page: http://neon.projects.openmoko.org/ Regards Valéry ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions on new Android rootfs
Hi, I just received this message today. I didn't update the GSM firmware. I'm compiling the android root filesystem again from the updated koolu repository and I will compare the radio log with yours. Rui On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 3:10 AM, Sean McNeil s...@mcneil.com wrote: Rui, This looks really bazaar. What version of hardware do you have? Have you updated the GSM firmware? The initial chat should look like: D/AT ( 2004): CHAT AT-Command Interpreter ready D/AT ( 2004): CHAT ATZ D/AT ( 2004): CHAT ATZ D/AT ( 2004): CHAT OK D/AT ( 2004): CHAT ATE0Q0V1 D/AT ( 2004): CHAT ATE0Q0V1 D/AT ( 2004): CHAT OK D/AT ( 2004): CHAT AT+CMUX=1,0,5,128 D/AT ( 2004): CHAT OK D/AT ( 2004): Control channel opened D/AT ( 2004): Logical channel 1 opened D/AT ( 2004): MUX[1] AT D/AT ( 2004): Modem status command on channel 1 D/AT ( 2004): No frames allowed D/AT ( 2004): Command acknowledged by the mobile station D/AT ( 2004): MUX[1] AT-Command Interpreter ready D/AT ( 2004): MUX[1] OK D/AT ( 2004): MUX[2] AT D/AT ( 2004): Logical channel 2 opened D/AT ( 2004): Modem status command on channel 2 D/AT ( 2004): No frames allowed D/AT ( 2004): MUX[2] AT-Command Interpreter ready D/AT ( 2004): Command acknowledged by the mobile station D/AT ( 2004): MUX[2] AT D/AT ( 2004): MUX[2] OK D/RIL ( 2004): Connecting GPRS channel to tty /dev/pts/1 D/AT ( 2004): MUX[1] ATE0Q0V1 Note that yours doesn't go into mux mode and the chat seems out of sync. I've bumped up the timeouts on the chat. Can you place the attached file into /system/lib on your phone? I'm not sure how easy that will be for you as adb lets you remount /system but for us it isn't a filesystem. :( Rui Castro wrote: Hi, great, the kill-server command did the trick. Here's my radio logcat. On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:37 AM, Sean McNeil s...@mcneil.com wrote: Rui Castro wrote: Hi, With the current kernel and jffs2 image, my GSM network is never available. I can't produce the radio log because I can't get adb to connect to neo! It shows - waiting for device - all the time. Hmm... Can you ping the phone? Sometimes an old server for adb gets left laying around and you need to do a ADBHOST=neo ./adb kill-server to clear it out. On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:11 AM, Sean McNeil s...@mcneil.com wrote: Looks like no response from the modem. Perhaps there is an issue with turning it on. I've seen this happen here on occasion and a reboot resolves it. Cédric Berger wrote: On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 05:35, Sean McNeil s...@mcneil.com wrote: Can you send me the output of ADBHOST=neo ./adb logcat -b radio No GSM for me either. And SIM contacts import fails too (says no contacts on SIM). (I aso tried in settings to register to networks, but it already was failing with previous images) adb logcat -b radio : I/RIL ( 857): Opening tty device /dev/s3c2410_serial0,115200 I/RIL ( 857): Setting tty device parameters D/AT ( 857): CHAT D/AT ( 857): D/AT ( 857): D/AT ( 857): AT D/AT ( 857): CHAT AT-Command Interpreter ready D/AT ( 857): CHAT ATZ D/AT ( 857): CHAT OK D/AT ( 857): CHAT ATE0Q0V1 D/AT ( 857): CHAT ATZ D/AT ( 857): CHAT OK D/AT ( 857): CHAT AT+CMUX=1,0,5,128 D/AT ( 857): CHAT ATE0Q0V1 D/AT ( 857): CHAT OK D/RIL ( 857): Connecting GPRS channel to tty /dev/pts/0 E/RIL ( 857): Error creating PPP options file: /data/ppp/options.gprs. D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] ATE0Q0V1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] ATE0Q0V1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] ATE0Q0V1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] ATE0Q0V1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] ATE0Q0V1 I/RIL ( 857): AT channel timeout; closing D/AT ( 857): MUX[2] ATE0Q0V1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[2] ATE0Q0V1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[2] ATE0Q0V1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[2] ATE0Q0V1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[2] ATE0Q0V1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] AT+CRC=1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] AT+CRC=1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] AT+CRC=1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] AT+CRC=1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] AT+CRC=1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] ATS0=0 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] ATS0=0 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] ATS0=0 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] ATS0=0 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] ATS0=0 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] AT+CMEE=1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] AT+CMEE=1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] AT+CMEE=1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] AT+CMEE=1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[1] AT+CMEE=1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[2] AT+CMEE=1 D/AT ( 857): MUX[2] AT+CMEE=1 I/RIL ( 857): Re-opening after close I/RIL ( 857): Setting tty device parameters D/AT ( 857): CHAT D/AT ( 857): D/AT ( 857): D/AT ( 857): AT D/AT ( 857): CHAT AT D/AT ( 857): MUX[2] AT+CMEE=1 D/AT ( 857): CHAT ATZ D/AT ( 857): MUX[2] AT+CMEE=1 D/AT ( 857):
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
Yorick Moko wrote: *do you use the FR? As your daily phone? Why not? Which distro do you prefer? Which app is your favorite? What phone is in your pocket right now? What distro is it running? Why? What do you use your phone for the most? What distros have you tried? What other portable consumer electronics do you use on a regular basis? Who in the community, after yourself, deserves praise for their achievements which might otherwise go unnoticed? What is the most pointless application on the Freerunner? What is the most interesting thing you have seen the Freerunner used for? Which is your favourite Freerunner joke? :D Tim P.s. anyone else feel free to fork thread and give their own point of view on these questions, it is interesting anyone giving their opinions! -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Navit actions menu layout ?
Am Montag 15 Dezember 2008 20:23:40 schrieb Fox Mulder: KaZeR wrote: Fox Mulder a écrit : KaZeR wrote: Lothar Behrens a écrit : It works, but what I mean, is, these are partly out of screen: *=* ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** *=* Can these buttons moved by configuration ? Moved, no, resized, yes. It's really weird, since we have the same device, we should have the same results :) I think i know which problem he means because i got the same. The screen layout is upwards like in the nice ascii picture and not in landscape mode. Then the 3 initial buttons are in three columns and the outer two gets out of the screen. It seems that the button arrangement is meant for landscape mode. I had to adjust the icon size to see all three. So it would be good if the arrangement of these buttons could be changed to a matrix of 2/3 cols and 2/3 rows. So i can use 2x3 or 3x2 for buttons layout in conjunction with normal or landscape screen orientation. Well, it's true that the gui is more meant to be used in landscape mode. I personally use omnewrotate, so i don't have to care about rotating the screen. What about using the trick that was posted a few weeks ago for a game, consisting of writing a wrapper script which rotates the script, then launch navit? About the matrix mode, i suggest that you post a feature request on the tracker : http://trac.navit-project.org I only have this problem because within debian the xglamo server isn't very good and the default framebuffer driver doesn't support screen rotation. Therefore at the moment i can only use navit in upscale mode. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hi, currently i'am working on an freerunner optimized version of navit. since the internal gui is available i love navit. and i want to bring something in. so i have realized, that there is some potential for speed and useablity optimization. i have changed the following things: - improve the calulation / drawaing speed of the internal gui - add some osd's - current speed - current street name - next street name - gpsd (! not file or demo) informations (the position, dimensions and font-size is configurable in the xml file) - improved keyboard buttons of the internal gui - add callback hooks to the gpsd plugin: - current speed - satellite stuff currently i hold the code in an git controlled repo (cloned via git-svn). So, if anyone can tell me where i easily can host this repo (with the navit svn repo from in background), please tell me. the code: dont be angry with me, this is my first c project!!! Carci ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Navit actions menu layout ?
Christian Anke carcin...@gmx.net writes: currently i'am working on an freerunner optimized version of navit. since the internal gui is available i love navit. and i want to Are you going to send the fixes upstream? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Navit actions menu layout ?
Am Montag 15 Dezember 2008 21:32:53 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: Christian Anke carcin...@gmx.net writes: currently i'am working on an freerunner optimized version of navit. since the internal gui is available i love navit. and i want to Are you going to send the fixes upstream? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community no, and i have no idear how to do this. i think i would be better if anyone test the changes befor i give them to upstream. or is the navit svn repo for testing such changes? Carci ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [SHR] GPRS / FATAL: Error inserting ppp_mppe
-Message d'origine- I see this error as well, but GPRS still works fine for me, which leads me to believe that if GPRS is not working for you then it's likely something other than that error. Or maybe it does work and you're just wondering about the cause of the error (which I don't know). Nathan It does not work, because i checked with ifconfig if ppp was up, and answer is no. I used the script from here : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS_FSO Anyone knows how you can specify an alternate phone number to dial? I have to use a shorter number than the one you see usually. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] GPRS / FATAL: Error inserting ppp_mppe
It does not work, because i checked with ifconfig if ppp was up, and answer is no. does that mean you are logged in via ssh/usb? my experience is that ppp0 does not come up as long as usb0 is up. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] network link down on windows after opkg update
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 2:31 PM, KaZeR ka...@altern.org wrote: Julien, please let us now when your images are more stable.. SHR is my current favorite distro :) Please know that I test images on a daily basis, and that I can't prevent users from downloading borked images in the time between which I generate them then download them (I mostly download them when I'm not at home, so I can't generate them on my home computer), so it may result in an unstable image. If you see an image timestamped from 2 minutes ago, it's usually not a good idea to download it. If an image isn't working properly, I'm used to delete it afterwards. But just so you know, I personally have no issue with a recent reflash, both on windows and linux. So it's either coincidental, or resulting in an unsupported upgrade, or systematic and I'd like to see logs :-) -- Julien Cassignol http://www.ainulindale.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Navit actions menu layout ?
no, and i have no idear how to do this. i think i would be better if anyone test the changes befor i give them to upstream. or is the navit svn repo for testing such changes? SVN repo is there for this kind of things. Any help is warmly welcomed :) It would be really sad if nice ideas or code would be kept apart. If you have an irc client handy, please join #navit on freenode, we'll meet there. If you don't, you can contact me by mail directly. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
Am Monday 15 December 2008 21:13:56 schrieb Tim Dobson: Yorick Moko wrote: *do you use the FR? As your daily phone? Why not? Which distro do you prefer? Which app is your favorite? What phone is in your pocket right now? None. My Nokia 3510i is lying round here somewhere and doing quite nothing except displaying a clock. What distro is it running? Why? Don't ask me such things... I don't think it's one of the Nokias that run Symbian already... Some proprietary piece of code probably. But it can dial reliably! And I can even understand the other party. Killer-feature. (No, I'm not cynic here, I just state reality. :) ) What do you use your phone for the most? Send an SMS or two every two months. What distros have you tried? Oh. I didn't know I can change the distro this bone is running... But I've tried several on my Neo: QTE, Qtopia, ASU, testing, FDOM (in some earlier stage, didn't get back so far). ATM it is running the base image with the freesmartphone.org GSM stack and zhone (kinda annoying sometimes, gotta get my hands dirty on paroli. If I could only get that to run in turn...) What other portable consumer electronics do you use on a regular basis? My iPod Photo. Apple may be evil, but they produce damn good hard- and software. Still it's running Rockbox from time to time. Who in the community, after yourself, deserves praise for their achievements which might otherwise go unnoticed? Me myself! I created this awesome wiki page with links to EFL Documentation! :D What is the most pointless application on the Freerunner? OpenMooCow! AFAIK there's some joke about it (except mooing), but probably I'm not old enough to be able know that... But still: This app may do nothing but mooing - THIS is something we really need. People who simply have fun doing strange geeky things. :) What is the most interesting thing you have seen the Freerunner used for? There was an idea half a year or so around using it as an earthquake warner, that sounded quite interesting. Which is your favourite Freerunner joke? Atm it's just walking (rather hobbling)... :P People out there: Do not forget having FUN with this device! It may not work perfectly (does it at all?) yet, but this is something unique we must keep up! -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] GPRS / FATAL: Error inserting ppp_mppe
2008/12/15 arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de: It does not work, because i checked with ifconfig if ppp was up, and answer is no. does that mean you are logged in via ssh/usb? my experience is that ppp0 does not come up as long as usb0 is up. Hmm. I can get a GPRS connection fine while logged in over usb0. KaZeR, is there nothing else in the logs (logread)? Nathan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Navit actions menu layout ?
Christian Anke carcin...@gmx.net writes: or is the navit svn repo for testing such changes? You better ask upstream directly in this case. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Analyst Angle: The dark side of the open OS handset trend
I debated for about 10 minutes whether or not this article is pertinent to this mailing list. In the end, I decided to forward it. I think it's a good sign that the analysts are even looking at the open handset trend. Operative word is trend, perhaps? http://www.rcrwireless.com/article/20081215/WIRELESS/812129981/1026/newsletter30 So if this inappropriate, please forgive me. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
On Monday 15 December 2008 21:13:56 Tim Dobson wrote: What phone is in your pocket right now? My good old Sony Ericsson M600i. What distro is it running? Why? M600i: Symbian UIQ3. Is it possible to install linux on it? Neo: currently SHR preview because I _really_ like the look and feel... Hopefully the final version will perform a little bit better... What do you use your phone for the most? M600i: Telephony. Neo: Flashing the latest and hottest stuff on it, pimping till the software is completely smashed... Flashing, pimping, braking. What distros have you tried? Om2007.2, Om2008.8, FSO, Android, SHR, Qtopia (and QTE), FDOM, Debian. Haven't tried ubuntu or gentoo yet on my Neo. What other portable consumer electronics do you use on a regular basis? Nokia N810 Who in the community, after yourself, deserves praise for their achievements which might otherwise go unnoticed? The guy who wrote openmoocow! No... honestly, everyone contributing to this great project deserves praise! What is the most pointless application on the Freerunner? What question... OpenMooCow of course... But even if its kinda useless, it's one of the mosed used openmoko apps here (after dfu-util :) ). Did you know that also Windows Mobile has a MooCow, although it is not open :P What is the most interesting thing you have seen the Freerunner used for? Running KDE4. Hopefully some day plasma will perform good enough on such small devices that we have a KDE phone edition or something like that... Which is your favourite Freerunner joke? Q: What is the difference between a professional photographer and OM user? A: The OM user has to flash more often :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...
Hi John, dowd wrote: I hope someone here can direct me to the correct forum for this. I have a Neo (No SIMM card in it!!) and I had the wifi access to my Access Point all configured. I was trying to configure this to be automated at startup of the Neo and had no problems. Then, I just rebooted the Neo (I had changed something on my Access Point, not the Neo) and the Neo stopped being able to boot successfully. I get the following lines on the screen after it has just stopped booting: [ 204.715000] PM:Removing info for No Bus:vcs2 [ 204.72] PM:Removing info for No Bus:vcsa2 Essentially the Neo is now a brick. I'm wondering where to go from here. I have installed 2008 version of the s/w on the phone. Unfortunately without the exact steps you took to get into this situation, we're unable to determine the correct steps to get you out. The most generic answers would be: 1). Reflash with your preferred distribution. 2). Boot from SD Card, access the flash memory and correct your mistake. Although I'm not sure if '2)' is possible as I've never tried. I've only ever come in from the other direction (modify SD from flash). Potentially, if it is simply the x server not starting, you may still be able to ssh in via usb and correct your mistake. Good luck! Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] GPRS / FATAL: Error inserting ppp_mppe
Am Monday 15 December 2008 22:13:13 schrieb KaZeR: -Message d'origine- I see this error as well, but GPRS still works fine for me, which leads me to believe that if GPRS is not working for you then it's likely something other than that error. Or maybe it does work and you're just wondering about the cause of the error (which I don't know). Nathan It does not work, because i checked with ifconfig if ppp was up, and answer is no. I used the script from here : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS_FSO Anyone knows how you can specify an alternate phone number to dial? I have to use a shorter number than the one you see usually. No you don't. The number to dial is completely unrelated to your service provider parameters. Please post some debug logs and then we can debug this. -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Tim Dobson li...@tdobson.net wrote: Yorick Moko wrote: *do you use the FR? As your daily phone? Why not? Which distro do you prefer? Which app is your favorite? What phone is in your pocket right now? Siemens M55; halfbroken for more than a year, but I decided that the FR would be my next daily phone... I'm rather stubborn :) What distro is it running? Why? SHR; development is going forward rapidly, +/- stable, good support :) What do you use your phone for the most? flashing What distros have you tried? 2007.2, qtopia, 2008.8, 2008.9, SHR, FSO What other portable consumer electronics do you use on a regular basis? my buggy siemens gsm Who in the community, after yourself, deserves praise for their achievements which might otherwise go unnoticed? Dave, because I like the pictures he uploads to scap! What is the most pointless application on the Freerunner? the dialer :p What is the most interesting thing you have seen the Freerunner used for? calling Which is your favourite Freerunner joke? [16:03] jadams_ does 2008.8 support the neo yet? y ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Neon 0.9 : Code name 'Minimal'
and maybe add a rotate option On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Nathan Kinkade n...@nkinka.de wrote: Yes, that is really nice! As Yorick said, a fullscreen toggle would make it even better. One other thing ... when I select an image to view, by default the button bars at the top and bottom don't display without my clicking in that region. Maybe that is by design, but since the image never occupies that space at first it might be nice to have it show by default. Thanks! Nathan 2008/12/15 Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com: I like it! but could you include a fullscreen-toggle button? On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Valery Febvre vfeb...@easter-eggs.com wrote: Hi everyone, The first version of Neon has been released yesterday. Neon is a simple image viewer written in Python/EFL. It's designed to be lightweight, fast, and easy to use. This is the first usable version with minimal features and basic gui. Everything should work pretty well, you may just experience few usability issues with filesystem browser scrolling which is slow with stable kernels 2.6.24 and acceptable with Andy's kernel 2.6.28. You can download it and see some screenshots on the project Home Page: http://neon.projects.openmoko.org/ Regards Valéry ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [SHR] GPRS / FATAL: Error inserting ppp_mppe
-Message d'origine- De : community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] De la part de Nathan Kinkade Envoyé : lundi 15 décembre 2008 22:39 À : List for Openmoko community discussion Objet : Re: [SHR] GPRS / FATAL: Error inserting ppp_mppe 2008/12/15 arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de: It does not work, because i checked with ifconfig if ppp was up, and answer is no. does that mean you are logged in via ssh/usb? my experience is that ppp0 does not come up as long as usb0 is up. Hmm. I can get a GPRS connection fine while logged in over usb0. KaZeR, is there nothing else in the logs (logread)? You'll find a full chatlog below. I think that my problem is maybe because i need to dial another number (i had a simiar issue with Qtopia). But it doesn't explain why my usb link gets so unstable after trying to use gprs.. Log below. I don't know if the powerdown could affect dialup. 8 -- Mar 13 01:41:59 (none) local0.info /usr/sbin/gsm0710muxd[1188]: gsm0710muxd.c:693:c_alloc_channel(): Connecting /dev/pts/6 to virtual channel 5 for ogsmd.gprs on /dev/ttySAC0 Mar 13 01:41:59 (none) local0.info /usr/sbin/gsm0710muxd[1188]: gsm0710muxd.c:1410:extract_frames(): Logical channel 5 opened Mar 13 01:42:00 (none) user.info kernel: PPP generic driver version 2.4.2 Mar 13 01:42:00 (none) daemon.notice pppd[1269]: pppd 2.4.3 started by root, uid 0 Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: abort on (BUSY) Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: abort on (DELAYED) Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: abort on (ERROR) Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: abort on (NO ANSWER) Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: abort on (NO CARRIER) Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: abort on (NO DIALTONE) Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: abort on (RINGING) Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: abort on (VOICE) Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: timeout set to 5 seconds Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: send (+++ATZ^M) Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: expect (OK) Mar 13 01:42:02 (none) user.info kernel: jbt6k74 spi2.0: jbt6k74 powerdown Mar 13 01:42:03 (none) user.info kernel: jbt6k74 spi2.0: jbt6k74 powerdown Mar 13 01:42:06 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: alarm Mar 13 01:42:06 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: send (\k\k\k\d+++ATH^M) Mar 13 01:42:07 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: expect (OK) Mar 13 01:42:12 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: alarm Mar 13 01:42:12 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: Failed Mar 13 01:42:12 (none) daemon.err pppd[1269]: Connect script failed Mar 13 01:42:12 (none) daemon.info pppd[1269]: Exit. Mar 13 01:42:12 (none) local0.info /usr/sbin/gsm0710muxd[1188]: gsm0710muxd.c:609:pseudo_device_read(): Logical channel 5 for (null) closed Mar 13 01:42:12 (none) daemon.info avahi-daemon[1095]: Interface usb0.IPv4 no longer relevant for mDNS. Mar 13 01:42:12 (none) daemon.info avahi-daemon[1095]: Leaving mDNS multicast group on interface usb0.IPv4 with address 192.168.0.202. Mar 13 01:42:12 (none) daemon.info avahi-daemon[1095]: Withdrawing address record for 192.168.0.202 on usb0. Mar 13 01:42:13 (none) daemon.info avahi-daemon[1095]: Joining mDNS multicast group on interface usb0.IPv4 with address 192.168.0.202. Mar 13 01:42:13 (none) daemon.info avahi-daemon[1095]: New relevant interface usb0.IPv4 for mDNS. Mar 13 01:42:13 (none) daemon.info avahi-daemon[1095]: Registering new address record for 192.168.0.202 on usb0.IPv4. Mar 13 01:42:13 (none) user.notice root: Checking for WLAN association... Mar 13 01:42:13 (none) user.notice root: Found association! 8 -- Mar 13 01:41:59 (none) local0.info /usr/sbin/gsm0710muxd[1188]: gsm0710muxd.c:693:c_alloc_channel(): Connecting /dev/pts/6 to virtual channel 5 for ogsmd.gprs on /dev/ttySAC0 Mar 13 01:41:59 (none) local0.info /usr/sbin/gsm0710muxd[1188]: gsm0710muxd.c:1410:extract_frames(): Logical channel 5 opened Mar 13 01:42:00 (none) user.info kernel: PPP generic driver version 2.4.2 Mar 13 01:42:00 (none) daemon.notice pppd[1269]: pppd 2.4.3 started by root, uid 0 Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: abort on (BUSY) Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: abort on (DELAYED) Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: abort on (ERROR) Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: abort on (NO ANSWER) Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: abort on (NO CARRIER) Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: abort on (NO DIALTONE) Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: abort on (RINGING) Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: abort on (VOICE) Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: timeout set to 5 seconds Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: send (+++ATZ^M) Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: expect (OK) Mar 13 01:42:02 (none) user.info kernel:
Qi bootloader not working afther flash?
Hello, Being new here I have to say sorry for my English! My question is: I have been trying to flash the bootloader on my new FR, this is what I did: debian:/home/jos/neo# ./dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D qi-s3c2442-master_2ad3ce6ff57753e3.udfu dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY Opening USB Device 0x:0x... Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface... Determining device status: state = appIDLE, status = 0 Device really in Runtime Mode, send DFU detach request... Resetting USB... Opening USB Device... Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=34, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=1, name=u-boot Claiming USB DFU Interface... Setting Alternate Setting ... Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0 dfuIDLE, continuing Transfer Size = 0x1000 bytes_per_hash=540 Starting download: [##] finished! state(2) = dfuIDLE, status(0) = No error condition is present Done! Resetting USB to switch back to runtime mode debian:/home/jos/neo# Looks good !? After power down (battery taken out) restarting with aux and power button I get the same screen with menu as before, is this correct? How can I see that Qi now is beeing used (and not uboot?) Thanks and greetings, Jos vd Snepscheut ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] GPRS / FATAL: Error inserting ppp_mppe
Thanks for the log, now we're getting somewhere. Am Monday 15 December 2008 23:21:07 schrieb KaZeR: You'll find a full chatlog below. I think that my problem is maybe because i need to dial another number (i had a simiar issue with Qtopia). No, it isn't. 8 -- Mar 13 01:41:59 (none) local0.info /usr/sbin/gsm0710muxd[1188]: gsm0710muxd.c:693:c_alloc_channel(): Connecting /dev/pts/6 to virtual channel 5 for ogsmd.gprs on /dev/ttySAC0 This is your problem. Somehow you have already four channels open in your modem. TI Calypso does not manage more than four, but will happily assign you an infinite number of channels (still checking whether this is an inherent limitation of 07.10 or not). So, ppp assigns a channel where no one listens to him. Mar 13 01:41:59 (none) local0.info /usr/sbin/gsm0710muxd[1188]: gsm0710muxd.c:1410:extract_frames(): Logical channel 5 opened Mar 13 01:42:00 (none) user.info kernel: PPP generic driver version 2.4.2 Mar 13 01:42:00 (none) daemon.notice pppd[1269]: pppd 2.4.3 started by root, uid 0 Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: abort on (BUSY) Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: abort on (DELAYED) Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: abort on (ERROR) Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: abort on (NO ANSWER) Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: abort on (NO CARRIER) Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: abort on (NO DIALTONE) Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: abort on (RINGING) Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: abort on (VOICE) Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: timeout set to 5 seconds Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: send (+++ATZ^M) Mar 13 01:42:01 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: expect (OK) Mar 13 01:42:02 (none) user.info kernel: jbt6k74 spi2.0: jbt6k74 powerdown Mar 13 01:42:03 (none) user.info kernel: jbt6k74 spi2.0: jbt6k74 powerdown Mar 13 01:42:06 (none) local2.info chat[1279]: alarm ppp timeout, no one answered. Do you have a mickeyterm instance or anything else still open by any chance? ogsmd will only occupy three channels, so that ppp can get the last one. Cheers, -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qi bootloader not working afther flash?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | After power down (battery taken out) restarting with aux and power | button I get the same screen with menu as before, is this correct? | How can I see that Qi now is beeing used (and not uboot?) If you hold down AUX when you power up, you always come into NOR U-Boot... that's still the same when you blow Qi into the NAND U-Boot partition. If you don't press AUX and power the thing up, it should try to boot by Qi. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklG7sYACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqGEwCgiTeFkk5mBlXFh2RCFri/xcqr i8MAn3JOyayK4luL5LKwwHar8nZrA2aA =7hzK -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Neon 0.9 : Code name 'Minimal'
2008/12/15 Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com: and maybe add a rotate option Just turn the phone sideways. ;-) Rotating an image is easy on a hand-held device. Nathan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: odd behavior of illume keyboard
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:56:36 +0100 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) m...@3v1n0.net babbled: Bernd Prünster wrote: i want to add the beta (ß) character to my layout, but it it only works if i quote it to use the dict code: key 0 28 12 12 normal ß ß shift? question /code if i remove the quotes it doesn't send the character any help/suggestions? Have you tried using ssharp (that should be the x keycode for ß)?: key 0 28 12 12 normal ß ssharp shift? question then you wont be able to use dictionary lookups as when u send a keysym the word is finished. sending strings means you are sending parts of a word. just keep the quotes. i am entirely baffled why you want to remove them - they have specific functionality and meaning that makes things work. they were intended to be there in this use case so keep them :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:30:09 +0100 Didier Raboud did...@raboud.com babbled: Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com writes: * It's still more reliable and easy to use a 20EUR cellphone than use the FR as a daily phone, more than six months after Openmoko said it was mass market ready. I love the FR, but should we admit that some things really went wrong? (for example working on a graphical installer app before telephony worked fine, or when everyone was craving for the qwerty button (I never heard even one user who said he didn't want it) and nobody listened? Will things change? I realize you are asking Sean but I can't resist giving my own opinion: I've been thinking along the same lines. However, the workaround to GSM bug #1024 was really not easy to discover (it relied on undocumented AT command that afaik was not even in the NDA'd source code openmoko people have access to). Also, the wlan issues required deep kernel knowledge. Asking people who do pretty UIs to stop before these are resolved probably does not do much good since they could not help with the lower level stuff anyway? Wrong people? Change people! I mean: for me, Openmoko made a mistake by hiring GUI people instead of kernel ones at the beginning. My questions would then be: * Do you (as Openmoko's CEO) consider that mistakes have been made in the hiring process (in terms of goals and so in terms of capabilities, not in terms of persons) ? * If so, what have you done or what will you do to correct these mistakes? * If not, where are the mistakes (if there are after all)? it has nothing to do with hiring gui people. believe it or not.. the gui people do and can help with the lower level. for example - if gui people weren't involved the /sys/class/power_supply interface for showing battery and charging info wouldn't work as no one would have used/tested it - why? the older gui only used the deprecated apm api from the kernel whihc provides a much more limited view of information. gui people build infra that is gui-friendly/ready that talks to the lower levels and manipulates them. without someone manipulating them in an expected use pattern a lot of stuff would remain broken. nothing to do with the gui people. more to do with how they were directed - i.e. told what to do. i estimate about 50-70% of the time was spent with fiddly make it a perfect rendition of our flash mockup than making stuff actually solid and work as a foundation (even if a little clunkily). and before you say it - eye candy comes for free when using EFL. so spending time on it is a bogus argument as the libraries already do this and were already written for it - they are just being used. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:19:33 +0100 Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com babbled: * It's still more reliable and easy to use a 20EUR cellphone than use the FR as a daily phone, more than six months after Openmoko said it was mass market ready. I love the FR, but should we admit that some things really went wrong? (for example working on a graphical installer app before telephony worked fine, or when everyone was craving for the qwerty button (I never heard even one user who said he didn't want it) and nobody listened? Will things change? i listened... i was the one who put it there to start with as i knew it was needed/wanted. i haven't been doing ui's for x/linux for over a decade for nothing :) *do you use the FR? As your daily phone? Why not? Which distro do you prefer? Which app is your favorite? *how many FR's haven been sold? (if possible some statistics with regards to continents/countries) * _guess_ the ETA of GTA03 * show us a funny pic of you in a openmoko t-shirt and geek-cap On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Minh Ha Duong hadu...@centre-cired.fr wrote: Dear friends, Sean kindly agreed to be interviewed for the next edition of the Community Update newsletter. I invite every subscriber of this list to post the question or questions that s-he cares about most. No gloves. The general topic is Openmoko, the community, past-present-future, but yours truly will select with undue care the 3-5 most interesting / provocative / popular / relevant / funny / whatever and forward them to Sean next Monday. You may send your questions in this mailing list thread or privately to me. Minh PS: Everybody knows that Sean Moss-Pultz is Openmoko CEO, but you may also be interested to find that many of his past interviews are available here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko:Current_events http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Press_Coverage ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [SHR] GPRS / FATAL: Error inserting ppp_mppe
Thanks for your fast answer. This is your problem. Somehow you have already four channels open in your modem. TI Calypso does not manage more than four, but will happily assign you an infinite number of channels (still checking whether this is an inherent limitation of 07.10 or not). So, ppp assigns a channel where no one listens to him. Do you have a mickeyterm instance or anything else still open by any chance? ogsmd will only occupy three channels, so that ppp can get the last one. Mmm, no. I run SHR, and nothing special beyond that. Is there a way to find which processes are using theses channels? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [ANNOUNCE] Neon 0.9 : Code name 'Minimal'
-Message d'origine- De : community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] De la part de Nathan Kinkade Envoyé : mardi 16 décembre 2008 01:00 À : List for Openmoko community discussion Objet : Re: [ANNOUNCE] Neon 0.9 : Code name 'Minimal' 2008/12/15 Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com: and maybe add a rotate option Just turn the phone sideways. ;-) Rotating an image is easy on a hand-held device. Nathan I guess that the point is that a landscape picture is better displayed in landscape mode :) What about omnewrotate + neon ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Neon 0.9 : Code name 'Minimal'
2008/12/15 KaZeR ka...@altern.org: snip 2008/12/15 Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com: and maybe add a rotate option Just turn the phone sideways. ;-) Rotating an image is easy on a hand-held device. Nathan I guess that the point is that a landscape picture is better displayed in landscape mode :) What about omnewrotate + neon ? :-) I know, I was just being a smartass. I'm using omnewrotate and at the moment neon doesn't seem to handle it quite right. At the moment I get a jumble of menus , buttons and part of the image all overlapping. http://natha.nkinka.de/openmoko/neon_screenshot_normal.png http://natha.nkinka.de/openmoko/neon_screenshot_rotated.png That said, this program is just released and so far look really amazing. Nathan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [SHR] GPRS / FATAL: Error inserting ppp_mppe
-Message d'origine- De : community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] De la part de arne anka Envoyé : lundi 15 décembre 2008 22:19 À : List for Openmoko community discussion Objet : Re: [SHR] GPRS / FATAL: Error inserting ppp_mppe It does not work, because i checked with ifconfig if ppp was up, and answer is no. does that mean you are logged in via ssh/usb? my experience is that ppp0 does not come up as long as usb0 is up. Ok i'm trying with usb link. I have noticed that usb link becomes quite unstable after i try to launch gprs.. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [SHR] network link down on windows after opkg update
-Message d'origine- De : community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] De la part de Julien Cassignol Envoyé : lundi 15 décembre 2008 22:26 À : List for Openmoko community discussion Objet : Re: [SHR] network link down on windows after opkg update On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 2:31 PM, KaZeR ka...@altern.org wrote: Julien, please let us now when your images are more stable.. SHR is my current favorite distro :) Please know that I test images on a daily basis, and that I can't prevent users from downloading borked images in the time between which I generate them then download them (I mostly download them when I'm not at home, so I can't generate them on my home computer), so it may result in an unstable image. If you see an image timestamped from 2 minutes ago, it's usually not a good idea to download it. If an image isn't working properly, I'm used to delete it afterwards. But just so you know, I personally have no issue with a recent reflash, both on windows and linux. So it's either coincidental, or resulting in an unsupported upgrade, or systematic and I'd like to see logs :-) First of all, i didn't meant to be rude : when i said that SHR is my current favorite distro, i mean it. I was using a jffs from 3 or 4 days ago, only the opkg upgrade from this morning broke some things (i didn't reflash yet). And breakage is part of development, so, it just happens :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [ANNOUNCE] Neon 0.9 : Code name 'Minimal'
-Message d'origine- De : community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] De la part de Nathan Kinkade :-) I know, I was just being a smartass. I'm using omnewrotate and at the moment neon doesn't seem to handle it quite right. At the moment I get a jumble of menus , buttons and part of the image all overlapping. http://natha.nkinka.de/openmoko/neon_screenshot_normal.png http://natha.nkinka.de/openmoko/neon_screenshot_rotated.png That said, this program is just released and so far look really amazing. I tried it too, and actually you're right. Using both gives garbled display. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: i haven't been doing ui's for x/linux for over a decade for nothing :) I (we) know... I think that your hiring can't be considered a mistake at all. The best GUI every written for embedded devices (illume) is now available thanks to your efforts; who knows if it would have been developed if you wouldn't have been called at Openmoko. So, working in GUI at the beginning has not been wrong imho. Maybe they would have had to work more on core-GUI (like illume is) than on other projects like Locations or Assasin... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
Kosa wrote: I know you don't need/have to explan that, and I'm not really sure if I'd like to know what happened, but two of the best hackers are gone, and they could have help a lot more as full time OM developers. I'm curious about this too... However I've read their explanations and I figure that they say everything there. BTW I'm totally agreeing that great hackers like Harald and Carsten (two of the best ones working respectively in low-level and GUI things) should have kept in the conditions to rest. Maybe Sean could say us something about the management that doesn't seem to be loved by our hackers... PS: Ah, why design team is so important to decide about keeping an un-wanted keyboard like the Qtopia predictive in Om2008?!? -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: odd behavior of illume keyboard
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) schrieb: On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:56:36 +0100 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) m...@3v1n0.net babbled: Bernd Prünster wrote: i want to add the beta (ß) character to my layout, but it it only works if i quote it to use the dict code: key 0 28 12 12 normal ß ß shift? question /code if i remove the quotes it doesn't send the character any help/suggestions? Have you tried using ssharp (that should be the x keycode for ß)?: key 0 28 12 12 normal ß ssharp shift? question then you wont be able to use dictionary lookups as when u send a keysym the word is finished. sending strings means you are sending parts of a word. just keep the quotes. i am entirely baffled why you want to remove them - they have specific functionality and meaning that makes things work. they were intended to be there in this use case so keep them :) The english dictionary is awesome - period. Ther germant dicts i tried suck. personally i have no problem writing my messages is english. sad but true, not all of my folks would understand my messages if i wrote the in english, that is why i don't want to use the dict. another argument is that i don't use correct spelling, and words that don't really exist, which would change if i found a germna dictionary that is as awesome as the english one, that ships with illume ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
Minh Can I send this out through our announce list and ask people to email questions to you directly? This would probably mean a lot more mail. But I think it would also increase the diversity of questions by a lot. Is this ok with you? -Sean Minh Ha Duong wrote: Dear friends, Sean kindly agreed to be interviewed for the next edition of the Community Update newsletter. I invite every subscriber of this list to post the question or questions that s-he cares about most. No gloves. The general topic is Openmoko, the community, past-present-future, but yours truly will select with undue care the 3-5 most interesting / provocative / popular / relevant / funny / whatever and forward them to Sean next Monday. You may send your questions in this mailing list thread or privately to me. Minh PS: Everybody knows that Sean Moss-Pultz is Openmoko CEO, but you may also be interested to find that many of his past interviews are available here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko:Current_events http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Press_Coverage ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [SHR] GPRS / FATAL: Error inserting ppp_mppe
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:12:46 +0100, KaZeR ka...@altern.org wrote: Thanks for your fast answer. This is your problem. Somehow you have already four channels open in your modem. TI Calypso does not manage more than four, but will happily assign you an infinite number of channels (still checking whether this is an inherent limitation of 07.10 or not). So, ppp assigns a channel where no one listens to him. Do you have a mickeyterm instance or anything else still open by any chance? ogsmd will only occupy three channels, so that ppp can get the last one. Mmm, no. I run SHR, and nothing special beyond that. Is there a way to find which processes are using theses channels? I've been running into the same problem, it seems. I just ran an opkg upgrade on my NAND install (SHR from FSO M4 release, opkg upgraded since though I realize some things are broken or missed that way) and it pulled in a new frameworkd, new since 8 hours ago when I did the same, and after a reboot I'm connected via GPRS again, first time in weeks. But I'm not saying it was the upgrade per se, though I believe this is the first time in a couple weeks I've gotten GSM registration right after boot. (Thanks Mickeyl!:) I did a little debugging and discovered part of what's happening. With ppp_generic not inserted I attempted to bring up GPRS three times then checked the log (tail -n 100 /var/log/messages | grep gsm): Dec 16 04:02:30 (none) local0.info /usr/sbin/gsm0710muxd[1192]: gsm0710muxd.c:693:c_alloc_channel(): Connecting /dev/pts/0 to virtual channel 1 for ogsmd.misc on /dev/ttySAC0 Dec 16 04:02:30 (none) local0.info /usr/sbin/gsm0710muxd[1192]: gsm0710muxd.c:1410:extract_frames(): Logical channel 1 opened Dec 16 04:02:30 (none) local0.info /usr/sbin/gsm0710muxd[1192]: gsm0710muxd.c:693:c_alloc_channel(): Connecting /dev/pts/1 to virtual channel 2 for ogsmd.unsolicited on /dev/ttySAC0 Dec 16 04:02:30 (none) local0.info /usr/sbin/gsm0710muxd[1192]: gsm0710muxd.c:1410:extract_frames(): Logical channel 2 opened Dec 16 04:02:30 (none) local0.info /usr/sbin/gsm0710muxd[1192]: gsm0710muxd.c:693:c_alloc_channel(): Connecting /dev/pts/2 to virtual channel 3 for ogsmd.call on /dev/ttySAC0 Dec 16 04:02:30 (none) local0.info /usr/sbin/gsm0710muxd[1192]: gsm0710muxd.c:1410:extract_frames(): Logical channel 3 opened Dec 16 04:03:08 (none) local0.info /usr/sbin/gsm0710muxd[1192]: gsm0710muxd.c:693:c_alloc_channel(): Connecting /dev/pts/4 to virtual channel 4 for ogsmd.gprs on /dev/ttySAC0 Dec 16 04:03:08 (none) local0.info /usr/sbin/gsm0710muxd[1192]: gsm0710muxd.c:1410:extract_frames(): Logical channel 4 opened Dec 16 04:03:44 (none) local0.info /usr/sbin/gsm0710muxd[1192]: gsm0710muxd.c:693:c_alloc_channel(): Connecting /dev/pts/5 to virtual channel 5 for ogsmd.gprs on /dev/ttySAC0 Dec 16 04:03:44 (none) local0.info /usr/sbin/gsm0710muxd[1192]: gsm0710muxd.c:1410:extract_frames(): Logical channel 5 opened Dec 16 04:03:56 (none) local0.info /usr/sbin/gsm0710muxd[1192]: gsm0710muxd.c:693:c_alloc_channel(): Connecting /dev/pts/6 to virtual channel 6 for ogsmd.gprs on /dev/ttySAC0 Dec 16 04:03:56 (none) local0.info /usr/sbin/gsm0710muxd[1192]: gsm0710muxd.c:1410:extract_frames(): Logical channel 6 opened So frameworkd is setting up three channels for itself and the fourth should be for GPRS, but if ppp_generic isn't inserted then it fails to bring up ppp0 and doesn't release the GPRS resource. Since the first attempt (absent ppp_generic) uses the fourth of four available channels and doesn't release it, then you're done at that point - game over. After a fresh reboot, though, if ppp_generic is inserted before GPRS is attempted, you should be good to go. j -- Joel Newkirk http://jthinks.com (blog) http://newkirk.us/om (FR stuff) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [SHR] GPRS / FATAL: Error inserting ppp_mppe
-Message d'origine- De : community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] De la part de Joel Newkirk Envoyé : mardi 16 décembre 2008 04:58 À : List for Openmoko community discussion Objet : RE: [SHR] GPRS / FATAL: Error inserting ppp_mppe snip So frameworkd is setting up three channels for itself and the fourth should be for GPRS, but if ppp_generic isn't inserted then it fails to bring up ppp0 and doesn't release the GPRS resource. Since the first attempt (absent ppp_generic) uses the fourth of four available channels and doesn't release it, then you're done at that point - game over. After a fresh reboot, though, if ppp_generic is inserted before GPRS is attempted, you should be good to go. I managed to get it to work, in the exact way you described. Thank you! Now, since my provider only allow http traffic, i wonder how i'll be able to use agps.. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
