Re: Open Moko compatibility on the hardware
And if done with openembeded/bitbake is only matter or changing the local.conf file 2008/12/18 Yogiz yog...@gmail.com: On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:11:36 -0800 Masoom Alam masoom.a...@gmail.com wrote: Can any body highlight that what are the requirements for openmoko software stack regarding hardware. In particular, at which architecture openmoko runs, and at mobile which it is not. Regards, MM Alam Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the current openmoko software could be compiled for all the architectures that the Linux kernel supports. Yogiz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400 Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Android] Can't power off
Hi, while playing with android i realized that i can't power off the phone. I was trying turing off either from menu (this just shows progress dialog, that never ends) or via reboot -p command from adb shell (seems to do nothing). Rebooting from abd shell via reboot command works fine. I had a look at source code in system/core/toolbox/reboot.c. It looks like the problem is in this call: __reboot(LINUX_REBOOT_MAGIC1, LINUX_REBOOT_MAGIC2, LINUX_REBOOT_CMD_POWER_OFF, NULL); Any idea what can be wrong here? I was also unable to find difference between LINUX_REBOOT_CMD_POWER_OFF and LINUX_REBOOT_CMD_HALT. The first one is used in android and the second one seems to be used in busybox for halting system. Any ideas here? Cheers Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Error_make_qemu
On 18.12.2008, at 7:49, imran ali wrote: hello any body know the solution of this problem. while i am installing Qemu on ubuntu 8.04 i am getting below erro. You should change download_dir variable in env file (located under openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko. And after that proper kernel_wildcard, rootfs_wildcard and uboot_wildcard (depends on the download_dir). Check the archive of the mailing list since it was discussed before and please, don't shout. B.___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Any distro?] Funny, very old SIM card not detected
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:40:17 +0100 Filip Onkelinx fi...@linux4.be wrote: Hi, could it be that this is an old 5V SIM card? If I'm not mistaken, those do not work with FR; only 3V and 1.8V (like in most recent phones). As I said in my first mail, I use the freerunner as a daily phone with Om2008.9-testing20081216, so this is not an hardware problem given it works. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
Am 18.12.2008 um 00:12 schrieb Will Siddall: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Justyn Butler justynbutler+openm...@googlemail.com wrote: Replace the mc75i with a 3.5G modem! Go on, surprise us all! We perhaps will be most surprised how much a 3G modem will cost... I have to agree with Justyn and say that we need a 3G phone. I bought this phone in hopes that I can use it when I travel around. Unfortunately, when I leave the country, it just becomes a toy to play around with and most of the time I have to leave it behind :( Why that? I don't own a 3G phone but a UMTS wireless card for my Mac. My practical experience is: a) in areas (urban) where you have HSDPA speed, you also have WiFi hotspots b) in all other areas (more rural) your connection falls back to GPRS anyway So, a phone that combines GPRS and WiFi is a little more difficult to connect to the correct network but has no dramatically worse connectivity than real 3G. 2 months ago I had to run a VNC connection to my server back home through GPRS. Slowly, but it worked. Improving to 3G is therefore a nice to have for me. Not mandatory. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[debian] Debian on FR wiki suggestion
Hello to all I am working on a cleaning activities on Debian on FR wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian I'd like to receive your segnalation about errors or improvement that can be done. Thank you Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:46:54 +0100 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org babbled: Am 18.12.2008 um 00:12 schrieb Will Siddall: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Justyn Butler justynbutler+openm...@googlemail.com wrote: Replace the mc75i with a 3.5G modem! Go on, surprise us all! We perhaps will be most surprised how much a 3G modem will cost... a 3g modem/module/chipset is REALLY expensive. especially if you have low volume (that means less than a few hundred thousand units). you pay a small fortune in royalties too. I have to agree with Justyn and say that we need a 3G phone. I bought this phone in hopes that I can use it when I travel around. Unfortunately, when I leave the country, it just becomes a toy to play around with and most of the time I have to leave it behind :( Why that? I don't own a 3G phone but a UMTS wireless card for my Mac. My practical experience is: a) in areas (urban) where you have HSDPA speed, you also have WiFi hotspots b) in all other areas (more rural) your connection falls back to GPRS anyway So, a phone that combines GPRS and WiFi is a little more difficult to connect to the correct network but has no dramatically worse connectivity than real 3G. 2 months ago I had to run a VNC connection to my server back home through GPRS. Slowly, but it worked. Improving to 3G is therefore a nice to have for me. Not mandatory. here is where i'd disagree. i can walk down my street in sydney - 100% of wifi spots are locked (wep/wpa etc.) - no one opens them. yopur choice is spotty wifi hotspots you have to pay for. the other option is 3g (umts/hsdpa etc.) which has pretty good coverage most areas in urban settings - even outside. i think there seems to be some assumption that wifi is so widespread in urban areas (and it comes at a cost equal to or cheaper than 3g datarates). this is not the case in australia. not to mention the datarates for 3g are MUCH less than 2g - they give you a discount for 3g data, but for 2g, it's rap you silly per kilobyte. why? the phone network's 2g data setup was NOT designed for heavy data usage - it's being abused for data and that impacts call quality and the providers will appropriately price the service based on the network ability to provide. so 3g is reasonable. for 2g i will never pay for it as its outragoeus. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[QTExtended] cannot store alsa state
I adjust the volume on QTExt 4.4.2 using alsamixer and then i'd like to store its state, but the command alsactl -f path_to_file.state store doesn't seem to work and, after that i make or receive a call, the state returns to default! How can i save the alsa state permanently? Giorgio -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QTExtended] duplicated sms
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've done a fair bit of searching lately and I've not found anything. If you find something, please let me know! I also get it with incoming phone calls (not all the time, but often) Lorn from Trolltech said recently that we can expect a new version soon... - -Dale Giorgio Marci wrote: So..is there nothing to do in order to resolve this problem? - Original Message - From: drac2000 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: [QTExtended] duplicated sms Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:17:02 -0800 (PST) Giorgio Marci wrote: Hi to all, i have the same problem of several people: in qtextended 4.4.2 the messages are duplicated for some reason. For me not only messages, but incoming phone calls also I think the issue of ghost incoming calls is still here :-( even with using hypnotize image) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-QTExtended--duplicated-sms-tp1668670p1668820.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJShSdFbVnQRV3OEYRAsKcAJ9XjSMw6OsbfYPYgULz2ExtBd8EUgCgreSc qOr+g4OvSAQzKn4tC10Xcy4= =BQrH -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
How is UMTS support on GTA03 (read support in Japan)? On Thu, December 18, 2008 10:02, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:46:54 +0100 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org babbled: Am 18.12.2008 um 00:12 schrieb Will Siddall: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Justyn Butler justynbutler+openm...@googlemail.com wrote: Replace the mc75i with a 3.5G modem! Go on, surprise us all! We perhaps will be most surprised how much a 3G modem will cost... a 3g modem/module/chipset is REALLY expensive. especially if you have low volume (that means less than a few hundred thousand units). you pay a small fortune in royalties too. I have to agree with Justyn and say that we need a 3G phone. I bought this phone in hopes that I can use it when I travel around. Unfortunately, when I leave the country, it just becomes a toy to play around with and most of the time I have to leave it behind :( Why that? I don't own a 3G phone but a UMTS wireless card for my Mac. My practical experience is: a) in areas (urban) where you have HSDPA speed, you also have WiFi hotspots b) in all other areas (more rural) your connection falls back to GPRS anyway So, a phone that combines GPRS and WiFi is a little more difficult to connect to the correct network but has no dramatically worse connectivity than real 3G. 2 months ago I had to run a VNC connection to my server back home through GPRS. Slowly, but it worked. Improving to 3G is therefore a nice to have for me. Not mandatory. here is where i'd disagree. i can walk down my street in sydney - 100% of wifi spots are locked (wep/wpa etc.) - no one opens them. yopur choice is spotty wifi hotspots you have to pay for. the other option is 3g (umts/hsdpa etc.) which has pretty good coverage most areas in urban settings - even outside. i think there seems to be some assumption that wifi is so widespread in urban areas (and it comes at a cost equal to or cheaper than 3g datarates). this is not the case in australia. not to mention the datarates for 3g are MUCH less than 2g - they give you a discount for 3g data, but for 2g, it's rap you silly per kilobyte. why? the phone network's 2g data setup was NOT designed for heavy data usage - it's being abused for data and that impacts call quality and the providers will appropriately price the service based on the network ability to provide. so 3g is reasonable. for 2g i will never pay for it as its outragoeus. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Dual boot strange problem
I have installed QTExtended 4.4.2 on NAND flash and SHR on the SD and i'm experiencing strange boot problems. If i start qtext everything is fine and the system boots normally. Same thing if after that i switch to SHR. The problem comes up when i reboot from SHR and choose again to start SHR from the SD...the system doesn't start, still loading kernel... To start again SHR i have to boot QTExt, shutdown and start SHR!! Then, SHR seems to start just after QTExt reboot, i think due to the boot loader or something else. Any suggestion? thanks -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:25:54 +0100 (CET) Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net babbled: don't know - i dont work on gta03, but i do know in japan there is ONLY 3g+ - no 2g. :) (well pre 3g there were proprietary packet-based networks in japan). How is UMTS support on GTA03 (read support in Japan)? On Thu, December 18, 2008 10:02, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:46:54 +0100 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org babbled: Am 18.12.2008 um 00:12 schrieb Will Siddall: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Justyn Butler justynbutler+openm...@googlemail.com wrote: Replace the mc75i with a 3.5G modem! Go on, surprise us all! We perhaps will be most surprised how much a 3G modem will cost... a 3g modem/module/chipset is REALLY expensive. especially if you have low volume (that means less than a few hundred thousand units). you pay a small fortune in royalties too. I have to agree with Justyn and say that we need a 3G phone. I bought this phone in hopes that I can use it when I travel around. Unfortunately, when I leave the country, it just becomes a toy to play around with and most of the time I have to leave it behind :( Why that? I don't own a 3G phone but a UMTS wireless card for my Mac. My practical experience is: a) in areas (urban) where you have HSDPA speed, you also have WiFi hotspots b) in all other areas (more rural) your connection falls back to GPRS anyway So, a phone that combines GPRS and WiFi is a little more difficult to connect to the correct network but has no dramatically worse connectivity than real 3G. 2 months ago I had to run a VNC connection to my server back home through GPRS. Slowly, but it worked. Improving to 3G is therefore a nice to have for me. Not mandatory. here is where i'd disagree. i can walk down my street in sydney - 100% of wifi spots are locked (wep/wpa etc.) - no one opens them. yopur choice is spotty wifi hotspots you have to pay for. the other option is 3g (umts/hsdpa etc.) which has pretty good coverage most areas in urban settings - even outside. i think there seems to be some assumption that wifi is so widespread in urban areas (and it comes at a cost equal to or cheaper than 3g datarates). this is not the case in australia. not to mention the datarates for 3g are MUCH less than 2g - they give you a discount for 3g data, but for 2g, it's rap you silly per kilobyte. why? the phone network's 2g data setup was NOT designed for heavy data usage - it's being abused for data and that impacts call quality and the providers will appropriately price the service based on the network ability to provide. so 3g is reasonable. for 2g i will never pay for it as its outragoeus. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Debian on FR wiki suggestion
Nice! d ps: for michele only: sephora unfortunately doesn't work with new framework... or is just my fault? On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 9:47 AM, Michele Renda michele.re...@gmail.comwrote: Hello to all I am working on a cleaning activities on Debian on FR wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian I'd like to receive your segnalation about errors or improvement that can be done. Thank you Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
A similar situation in London. Apparently we have the most WiFi hotspots in comparison to other cities [1] but you will have to pay to use the majority of these as they are operated by telecos like BT. [1] http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/29/london-trounces-rest-of-world-in-quest-for-wifi-dominance/ I have a deal to use T-Mobile hotspots but never used them as I just leave my device connected via 3G. The only time I switch to WiFi outside my house is when I am at my local pub which has poor GSM signal and free WiFI. Having said that, the only application I tend to hammer the 3G on is Internet radio. I like to chillax to KCRW on my commute! John. 2008/12/18 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com: [snip] Improving to 3G is therefore a nice to have for me. Not mandatory. here is where i'd disagree. i can walk down my street in sydney - 100% of wifi spots are locked (wep/wpa etc.) - no one opens them. yopur choice is spotty wifi hotspots you have to pay for. the other option is 3g (umts/hsdpa etc.) which has pretty good coverage most areas in urban settings - even outside. i think there seems to be some assumption that wifi is so widespread in urban areas (and it comes at a cost equal to or cheaper than 3g datarates). this is not the case in australia. not to mention the datarates for 3g are MUCH less than 2g - they give you a discount for 3g data, but for 2g, it's rap you silly per kilobyte. why? the phone network's 2g data setup was NOT designed for heavy data usage - it's being abused for data and that impacts call quality and the providers will appropriately price the service based on the network ability to provide. so 3g is reasonable. for 2g i will never pay for it as its outragoeus. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Debian on FR wiki suggestion
Il 18/12/2008 10:50, Davide Scaini ha scritto: ps: for michele only: sephora unfortunately doesn't work with new framework... or is just my fault? No, is not your fault. The new framework changed a lot of thing, and now, according me, is more rational. All the program that use the frameword (and sephora use a lot it) need to be adapted. The good news is that already I fixed sephora, but i didn't released it, because I was thinking sephora (and more generally Debian) was not too much used. Now that I know there is at least an user :), I will try to release in a maximum of two days a version with the apported fixes. Best regards Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Answer from Joerg (was: Re: Crackly Calls and Battery Tips! A5/A6 rework. Corrected URL)
Joel Newkirk freerun...@newkirk.us writes: Still waiting for an answer from OM. (I posted a question in this thread Friday regarding Tanatalum instead of Ceramic cap - the difference being $0.25 vs $2 each in qty 100, and my radio guy thinks Tant is a good choice for filtering, but waiting for word from Steve or Jeorg) Joel, Joerg overlooked your question on the community mailing list, you should have asked at hardware list instead. I asked him on IRC: here's the answer: 12:57 PaulFertser DocScrutinizer: could you please answer a question wrt capacitor type for the gsm buzz fix? Joel Newkirk asks whether he can use tantalum instead of ceramic ones as tantalum are much cheaper and he's going to perform a rework on a reasonable quantity of units (IIRC). 13:00 DocScrutinizer PaulFertser: we don't have any tantalum caps here, and I would guess they are just too big. I was about to suggest a free caeramic cap for everyone asking for it. actually I'll bring a handfull of those to Germany on Sunday 13:00 DocScrutinizer PaulFertser: technically there is nothing wrong with tantalum 13:01 DocScrutinizer though I'd guess they are somewhat harder to solder, as they're basically electrolytic caps and so won't stand much heat 13:01 PaulFertser DocScrutinizer: if you don't mind, i'm going to post your answer on the community mailing list in the corresponding thread. 13:02 DocScrutinizer go ahead, you're welcome 13:02 DocScrutinizer just quote this dialog is fine 13:04 DocScrutinizer also, to whom it may concern, I plan to join 25C3 congress in Berlin, and maybe rework a couple of devices there for free, or at very least give away caps -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
hotpots in the world: http://maps.fon.com/ On Thu, December 18, 2008 10:51, john wrote: A similar situation in London. Apparently we have the most WiFi hotspots in comparison to other cities [1] but you will have to pay to use the majority of these as they are operated by telecos like BT. [1] http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/29/london-trounces-rest-of-world-in-quest-for-wifi-dominance/ I have a deal to use T-Mobile hotspots but never used them as I just leave my device connected via 3G. The only time I switch to WiFi outside my house is when I am at my local pub which has poor GSM signal and free WiFI. Having said that, the only application I tend to hammer the 3G on is Internet radio. I like to chillax to KCRW on my commute! John. 2008/12/18 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com: [snip] Improving to 3G is therefore a nice to have for me. Not mandatory. here is where i'd disagree. i can walk down my street in sydney - 100% of wifi spots are locked (wep/wpa etc.) - no one opens them. yopur choice is spotty wifi hotspots you have to pay for. the other option is 3g (umts/hsdpa etc.) which has pretty good coverage most areas in urban settings - even outside. i think there seems to be some assumption that wifi is so widespread in urban areas (and it comes at a cost equal to or cheaper than 3g datarates). this is not the case in australia. not to mention the datarates for 3g are MUCH less than 2g - they give you a discount for 3g data, but for 2g, it's rap you silly per kilobyte. why? the phone network's 2g data setup was NOT designed for heavy data usage - it's being abused for data and that impacts call quality and the providers will appropriately price the service based on the network ability to provide. so 3g is reasonable. for 2g i will never pay for it as its outragoeus. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WSOD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | ok, so i flashed the images above and then did a wget for the kernel | opk and then did a opkg install | kernel-2.6.24_2.6.24+gitr76014+fb42ce6724576fc173faf8abfb04aa2c36d213b7-r2.01_om-gta02.opk. | | again after 5-10 suspend/resume cycles, i got the wsod again. does | this mean i did something wrong or that you are mistaken or that i was | unlucky enough to get bad hardware? Well, first confirm with cat /proc/version that you're running what you think you're running. Second, WSOD from resume is a bit ambiguous since it can be a more generic resume failure on 2.6.24. If you disable resume and just let it do framebuffer blanking for a while, do you ever see the WSOD just from that? - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklKI2AACgkQOjLpvpq7dMp+ZwCfcc08rVov6HwcjRzlUVV1eFtG iVgAmwfV4YDHAWuoNB3tXw4fOjriSbth =VPSs -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
gpspipe format
Hi, I want to use a script to generate gpx formatted traces. How must I convert the data taken from gpspipe ? Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gpspipe format
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de wrote: I want to use a script to generate gpx formatted traces. How must I convert the data taken from gpspipe ? Whatever format this is, your best chance is to use gpsbabel. -- Olivier ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
2008/12/18 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org: My practical experience is: a) in areas (urban) where you have HSDPA speed, you also have WiFi hotspots b) in all other areas (more rural) your connection falls back to GPRS anyway So, a phone that combines GPRS and WiFi is a little more difficult to connect to the correct network but has no dramatically worse connectivity than real 3G. It depends a lot on where you are in the world. Here in the UK HSDPA coverage is already extremely good, and I can get it for as little as £10 (15 USD) a month, or £15/month for more data than I ever use. Basically everywhere I go supports HSDPA, and it costs me no extra to use it whenever I like (and in those spots without HSDPA it seamlessly drops to lower speed connections). When I am out and about there may well be wifi hotspots nearby - but you almost always have to pay for them, so in reality I end up not using them. I realize that in some other parts of the world 3.5G coverage/expense is not so good (ie the USA). But these places are catching up fast (thanks to the newer iPhone etc), and as they do, the demand for this amazing ability to have flat-rate broadband internet wherever you go will increase. I think it is the case that many people don't realize how useful and enabling it is until they have it. Almost all the latest big-brand smartphones support HSDPA (there are a couple of exceptions, but have a Google, seriously). I am worried, because as this trend towards 3G increases throughout 2009, Openmoko will be left looking like a poor choice in more parts of the world. Of the three friends who were very enthusiastic about Openmoko with me for many years, one has now gone for the G1 (Android phone) and another got an iPhone - both with flat rate HSDPA. I know there are plenty of people like yourself (Dr Schaller) who don't feel the need for HSDPA, so if the GTA03 costs more because it has connectivity unneccessary to them they are less likely to buy it. This is an important point. But there is also a proportion of people who won't buy the phone because it can't support HSDPA data plans (but would otherwise - I know people in this group). This group will of course continue to increase in number in 2009 and there will be more open source Android phones coming out, and Nokia even hinting that they might use Linux in some phones [1]. I fear that once most open source enthusiasts have embraced Android (or Maemo) for their phones, they are much less likely to care about the extra freedom Openmoko can offer them (even when it eventually includes the more advanced connectivity), which is a shame. So I feel now is quite a critical time for OM in terms of mindshare. But if 3G hardware and royalties cost too much, then perhaps OM has little choice. And that's just life. We'll make the best of it. [1] http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS5340331149.html See also: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
As It seems this thread is becoming more and more some sort of a whish-list, I will put my 2ct here also: - Please don't add a camera: Has ever anyone made a picture with a mobile phone camera that doesn't suck? Get a real camera if you want to make some nice pictures! There is just one way to get a useful camera within a mobile phone: Using very expensive optical lens and zooming technologies. But in that case, I'd prefer to use the money for a 3G modem which brings me to the next point in my whishlist. - 3G connectivity: Although it is very expensive, I think we _really_ need this one. I know so many people who would like to buy a Freerunner, but they don't do so because of the missing UMTS connectivity. - The rest could stay just as it is in GTA 02. Im perfectly happy with it. Perhaps the slow Glamo could be exchanged... But afaik this is done already... Cheers, Michael On Wednesday 17 December 2008 10:39:21 Laszlo KREKACS wrote: Depending on the feature set that can cut both ways. It could also be a case of I was going to wait for gta03, but I absolutely can't have a phone with a camera so I may as well get gta02 now for example. A must have for one person can be a deal breaker for another. I pick the camera as an example as I used to work on a site where cameras weren't allowed, but keypads and screen resolution have polarised opinions before too. Hi! I'm interesting only in two things: - camera (I assume yes, because of the camera interface of cpu; would be rather dumb not using it) - better case design (the current one is not even in the league with other phones;-|) For case design, I find these (among others) great: - http://www.om.vptt.ch/site/?page_id=53 - http://www.rasterman.com/files/gta03-idea-1.png - iphone In short: not make anything as stupid as a lanyard hole. I hope these features will be untouched: - vga screen - touchscreen - wifi - gps - usb host - sd card I expect these bugfixes: - better rfi design (no echo/buzz and ugly workarounds around them) - better audio quality - no glamo - better battery management (change the current PCF50633 PMU unit) - better 2D performance (should be achievable with the new samsung s3c6410 cpu) - better SD handling (straightforward, if you remove the glamo) For me the release date is not important. I can wait one year without buying a freerunner, if it takes 1-2 year I will consider freerunner as an option, but likely I will buy an another phone. Best regards, Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:24:52 +0100 Michael Zanetti michael_zane...@gmx.net babbled: As It seems this thread is becoming more and more some sort of a whish-list, I will put my 2ct here also: - Please don't add a camera: Has ever anyone made a picture with a mobile phone camera that doesn't suck? Get a real camera if you want to make some nice pictures! There is just one way to get a useful camera within a mobile phone: Using very expensive optical lens and zooming technologies. But in that case, I'd prefer to use the money for a 3G modem which brings me to the next point in my whishlist. i have. and millions of japanese have. in japan the mobile is pretty much replacing the low-to-mid-end camera. for happy time snaps. why? their lenses and cameras are GOOD. 5+mpixel was available years ago. - 3G connectivity: Although it is very expensive, I think we _really_ need this one. I know so many people who would like to buy a Freerunner, but they don't do so because of the missing UMTS connectivity. - The rest could stay just as it is in GTA 02. Im perfectly happy with it. Perhaps the slow Glamo could be exchanged... But afaik this is done already... Cheers, Michael On Wednesday 17 December 2008 10:39:21 Laszlo KREKACS wrote: Depending on the feature set that can cut both ways. It could also be a case of I was going to wait for gta03, but I absolutely can't have a phone with a camera so I may as well get gta02 now for example. A must have for one person can be a deal breaker for another. I pick the camera as an example as I used to work on a site where cameras weren't allowed, but keypads and screen resolution have polarised opinions before too. Hi! I'm interesting only in two things: - camera (I assume yes, because of the camera interface of cpu; would be rather dumb not using it) - better case design (the current one is not even in the league with other phones;-|) For case design, I find these (among others) great: - http://www.om.vptt.ch/site/?page_id=53 - http://www.rasterman.com/files/gta03-idea-1.png - iphone In short: not make anything as stupid as a lanyard hole. I hope these features will be untouched: - vga screen - touchscreen - wifi - gps - usb host - sd card I expect these bugfixes: - better rfi design (no echo/buzz and ugly workarounds around them) - better audio quality - no glamo - better battery management (change the current PCF50633 PMU unit) - better 2D performance (should be achievable with the new samsung s3c6410 cpu) - better SD handling (straightforward, if you remove the glamo) For me the release date is not important. I can wait one year without buying a freerunner, if it takes 1-2 year I will consider freerunner as an option, but likely I will buy an another phone. Best regards, Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
Michael Zanetti ha scritto: As It seems this thread is becoming more and more some sort of a whish-list, I will put my 2ct here also: - Please don't add a camera: Has ever anyone made a picture with a mobile phone camera that doesn't suck? Get a real camera if you want to make some nice pictures! There is just one way to get a useful camera within a mobile phone: Using very expensive optical lens and zooming technologies. But in that case, I'd prefer to use the money for a 3G modem which brings me to the next point in my whishlist. - 3G connectivity: Although it is very expensive, I think we _really_ need this one. I know so many people who would like to buy a Freerunner, but they don't do so because of the missing UMTS connectivity. - The rest could stay just as it is in GTA 02. Im perfectly happy with it. Perhaps the slow Glamo could be exchanged... But afaik this is done already... Cheers, Michael +3! (me, myself and I :P) Bye! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Black SOD for a change
Hi, Micha? Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm writes: Andy Green wrote: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Okay; two Freerunner units, one restores semi-okay, one's screen | typically goes all black after an otherwise successful restore (not | before showing the appropriate display for a moment though), doesn't I wouldn't assume this is a kernel issue, but if you think it might be, you should try andy-tracking kernel from git or here: http://people.openmoko.org/andy and see if it changes the behaviour. The suspend and resume action is very different in these 2.6.28 kernels. Andy, where do I get modules for this kernel? My phone doesn't wake up from suspend. Can that happen because there are no modules installed for 2.6.28 on the rootfs? I'm afraid you need at least c59a8bdc7ca4b5470ebc43dfc31ed1d3d23a7c6f to get stable operation with suspend/resume working. The latest image at Andy's is from Dec 5, and the revision i use on the phone is from Dec 8. I suggest you compile the kernel as well as relevant modules yourself. Or ask Andy to update his private directory. :) -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
On Thursday 18 December 2008 12:29:08 you wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:24:52 +0100 Michael Zanetti babbled: i have. and millions of japanese have. in japan the mobile is pretty much replacing the low-to-mid-end camera. for happy time snaps. why? their lenses and cameras are GOOD. 5+mpixel was available years ago. Yep... unfortunately that millions of japanese people won't use the GTA03 without UMTS support... Anyways, I haven't said that it is impossible to create mobile phones with good camers. I have said that good cameras are expensive and we should first use that money for 3G connectivity. - 3G connectivity: Although it is very expensive, I think we _really_ need this one. I know so many people who would like to buy a Freerunner, but they don't do so because of the missing UMTS connectivity. - The rest could stay just as it is in GTA 02. Im perfectly happy with it. Perhaps the slow Glamo could be exchanged... But afaik this is done already... Cheers, Michael On Wednesday 17 December 2008 10:39:21 Laszlo KREKACS wrote: Depending on the feature set that can cut both ways. It could also be a case of I was going to wait for gta03, but I absolutely can't have a phone with a camera so I may as well get gta02 now for example. A must have for one person can be a deal breaker for another. I pick the camera as an example as I used to work on a site where cameras weren't allowed, but keypads and screen resolution have polarised opinions before too. Hi! I'm interesting only in two things: - camera (I assume yes, because of the camera interface of cpu; would be rather dumb not using it) - better case design (the current one is not even in the league with other phones;-|) For case design, I find these (among others) great: - http://www.om.vptt.ch/site/?page_id=53 - http://www.rasterman.com/files/gta03-idea-1.png - iphone In short: not make anything as stupid as a lanyard hole. I hope these features will be untouched: - vga screen - touchscreen - wifi - gps - usb host - sd card I expect these bugfixes: - better rfi design (no echo/buzz and ugly workarounds around them) - better audio quality - no glamo - better battery management (change the current PCF50633 PMU unit) - better 2D performance (should be achievable with the new samsung s3c6410 cpu) - better SD handling (straightforward, if you remove the glamo) For me the release date is not important. I can wait one year without buying a freerunner, if it takes 1-2 year I will consider freerunner as an option, but likely I will buy an another phone. Best regards, Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Black SOD for a change
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | I'm afraid you need at least c59a8bdc7ca4b5470ebc43dfc31ed1d3d23a7c6f | to get stable operation with suspend/resume working. The latest image | at Andy's is from Dec 5, and the revision i use on the phone is from | Dec 8. Sounds right... | I suggest you compile the kernel as well as relevant modules | yourself. Or ask Andy to update his private directory. :) I am sitting on another update to power management stuff from Ben Dooks locally the last week until I can confirm it didn't do to GTA02 resume what the last update did. Since I am in the hellworld of trying to get GTA03 resume working it might not happen immediately. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklKNn0ACgkQOjLpvpq7dMpe4wCfXr7kD/zX/Li7YtrN7JlD15F6 d64An0zGAhPIh2WwTgk4g3SufPPbJSHB =lOSU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
2008/12/18 Michael Zanetti michael_zane...@gmx.net: As It seems this thread is becoming more and more some sort of a whish-list, I will put my 2ct here also: - Please don't add a camera: Has ever anyone made a picture with a mobile phone camera that doesn't suck? Get a real camera if you want to make some nice pictures! There is just one way to get a useful camera within a mobile phone: Using very expensive optical lens and zooming technologies. But in that case, I'd prefer to use the money for a 3G modem which brings me to the next point in my whishlist. I think this is a misunderstanding of the concept of having a camera in a phone. For many people it is the convenience of *always* having a camera on them. Who knows when you need to take a picture? It doesn't matter if the picture sucks - they have a real camera for quality photos. But they don't have it on them all the time. Furthermore, as Raster points out, for some people the better cameraphones actually do suit their needs *well enough* to replace a normal camera (my gf is one of these). There will always be a large group of people for whom this will never be the case, I know. I say this as someone who would personally gladly do without the camera in place of 3G. But doing this might turn off a whole other group of people, because some sort of camera is such an expected thing in a phone these days. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Version 2 -- New community distribution hackable1
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:20:58 +0100 quote: Current issues Messages starts but does not send the message - minor dbus issue if it is minor, do you guys have any idea how long it will take to resolve the issue Thanks for the hint, this was only about the old rev1. SMS works in the current rev2. and i am confused: some of the things you mentioned as features are still in the open tasks section of the wiki. is the wiki outdated? (i already took a look at the wiki about 10 days ago). This got just updated too. Thanks again for the hint. Marcus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
Sony Ericsson has very good camera's in their phone but this will cost indeed a lot in the range (production number) of Neo. I've noticed that I'd use the camera a lot for making notes of advertisements and posters in the city. Also in some countries, like Japan, the square barcode is used a lot for advertisements and discounts. For this, and for OCR with subsequent language translation (especially CJK) a future model with camera would be appreciated. On Thu, December 18, 2008 12:24, Michael Zanetti wrote: As It seems this thread is becoming more and more some sort of a whish-list, I will put my 2ct here also: - Please don't add a camera: Has ever anyone made a picture with a mobile phone camera that doesn't suck? Get a real camera if you want to make some nice pictures! There is just one way to get a useful camera within a mobile phone: Using very expensive optical lens and zooming technologies. But in that case, I'd prefer to use the money for a 3G modem which brings me to the next point in my whishlist. - 3G connectivity: Although it is very expensive, I think we _really_ need this one. I know so many people who would like to buy a Freerunner, but they don't do so because of the missing UMTS connectivity. - The rest could stay just as it is in GTA 02. Im perfectly happy with it. Perhaps the slow Glamo could be exchanged... But afaik this is done already... Cheers, Michael On Wednesday 17 December 2008 10:39:21 Laszlo KREKACS wrote: Depending on the feature set that can cut both ways. It could also be a case of I was going to wait for gta03, but I absolutely can't have a phone with a camera so I may as well get gta02 now for example. A must have for one person can be a deal breaker for another. I pick the camera as an example as I used to work on a site where cameras weren't allowed, but keypads and screen resolution have polarised opinions before too. Hi! I'm interesting only in two things: - camera (I assume yes, because of the camera interface of cpu; would be rather dumb not using it) - better case design (the current one is not even in the league with other phones;-|) For case design, I find these (among others) great: - http://www.om.vptt.ch/site/?page_id=53 - http://www.rasterman.com/files/gta03-idea-1.png - iphone In short: not make anything as stupid as a lanyard hole. I hope these features will be untouched: - vga screen - touchscreen - wifi - gps - usb host - sd card I expect these bugfixes: - better rfi design (no echo/buzz and ugly workarounds around them) - better audio quality - no glamo - better battery management (change the current PCF50633 PMU unit) - better 2D performance (should be achievable with the new samsung s3c6410 cpu) - better SD handling (straightforward, if you remove the glamo) For me the release date is not important. I can wait one year without buying a freerunner, if it takes 1-2 year I will consider freerunner as an option, but likely I will buy an another phone. Best regards, Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:38:27PM +0100, Michael Zanetti wrote: On Thursday 18 December 2008 12:29:08 you wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:24:52 +0100 Michael Zanetti babbled: i have. and millions of japanese have. in japan the mobile is pretty much replacing the low-to-mid-end camera. for happy time snaps. why? their lenses and cameras are GOOD. 5+mpixel was available years ago. Yep... unfortunately that millions of japanese people won't use the GTA03 without UMTS support... Maybe it's just a wildguess, but I don't think millions of japanese will use the GTA03 if it has UMTS support. Just putting your logic into perspective :) Rui -- Or is it? Today is Boomtime, the 60th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Black SOD for a change
Hi, Andy Green a...@openmoko.com writes: | I'm afraid you need at least c59a8bdc7ca4b5470ebc43dfc31ed1d3d23a7c6f | to get stable operation with suspend/resume working. The latest image | at Andy's is from Dec 5, and the revision i use on the phone is from | Dec 8. Sounds right... | I suggest you compile the kernel as well as relevant modules | yourself. Or ask Andy to update his private directory. :) I am sitting on another update to power management stuff from Ben Dooks locally the last week until I can confirm it didn't do to GTA02 resume what the last update did. Since I am in the hellworld of trying to get GTA03 resume working it might not happen immediately. Oh, good luck with GTA03 resume then. Resume never was easy :) Andy, i still think it'd be good if you updated the kernel in you directory for GTA02 to the one that can actually resume (as the rev is known, it shouldn't be that hard). People started to try andy-tracking and not everybody can easily compile it himself. Qi update (that includes that fancy UI ;) ) would also be good. BTW, do i understand it right, that the latest pm stuff from Ben should fix BT-not-working-after-resume problem? Is it a known issue or should i provide dmesg for the case? Happy hacking! -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
Having a hackable eye on the Neo will open a lot of new posibilities, multiply this posibilities with gps*wifi*accelerometers* 2008/12/18 Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net: Sony Ericsson has very good camera's in their phone but this will cost indeed a lot in the range (production number) of Neo. I've noticed that I'd use the camera a lot for making notes of advertisements and posters in the city. Also in some countries, like Japan, the square barcode is used a lot for advertisements and discounts. For this, and for OCR with subsequent language translation (especially CJK) a future model with camera would be appreciated. On Thu, December 18, 2008 12:24, Michael Zanetti wrote: As It seems this thread is becoming more and more some sort of a whish-list, I will put my 2ct here also: - Please don't add a camera: Has ever anyone made a picture with a mobile phone camera that doesn't suck? Get a real camera if you want to make some nice pictures! There is just one way to get a useful camera within a mobile phone: Using very expensive optical lens and zooming technologies. But in that case, I'd prefer to use the money for a 3G modem which brings me to the next point in my whishlist. - 3G connectivity: Although it is very expensive, I think we _really_ need this one. I know so many people who would like to buy a Freerunner, but they don't do so because of the missing UMTS connectivity. - The rest could stay just as it is in GTA 02. Im perfectly happy with it. Perhaps the slow Glamo could be exchanged... But afaik this is done already... Cheers, Michael On Wednesday 17 December 2008 10:39:21 Laszlo KREKACS wrote: Depending on the feature set that can cut both ways. It could also be a case of I was going to wait for gta03, but I absolutely can't have a phone with a camera so I may as well get gta02 now for example. A must have for one person can be a deal breaker for another. I pick the camera as an example as I used to work on a site where cameras weren't allowed, but keypads and screen resolution have polarised opinions before too. Hi! I'm interesting only in two things: - camera (I assume yes, because of the camera interface of cpu; would be rather dumb not using it) - better case design (the current one is not even in the league with other phones;-|) For case design, I find these (among others) great: - http://www.om.vptt.ch/site/?page_id=53 - http://www.rasterman.com/files/gta03-idea-1.png - iphone In short: not make anything as stupid as a lanyard hole. I hope these features will be untouched: - vga screen - touchscreen - wifi - gps - usb host - sd card I expect these bugfixes: - better rfi design (no echo/buzz and ugly workarounds around them) - better audio quality - no glamo - better battery management (change the current PCF50633 PMU unit) - better 2D performance (should be achievable with the new samsung s3c6410 cpu) - better SD handling (straightforward, if you remove the glamo) For me the release date is not important. I can wait one year without buying a freerunner, if it takes 1-2 year I will consider freerunner as an option, but likely I will buy an another phone. Best regards, Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400 Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QTExtended] cannot store alsa state
On Thursday 18 December 2008, Giorgio Marci wrote: I adjust the volume on QTExt 4.4.2 using alsamixer and then i'd like to store its state, but the command alsactl -f path_to_file.state store doesn't seem to work and, after that i make or receive a call, the state returns to default! How can i save the alsa state permanently? The command looks correct, but you need to give it the right path and filename for the state you are trying to modify. You could always take a copy of the file before and after, and diff them to check your changes have been saved. I assume you know there are multiple state files that the applications will switch between as required. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:52:20 + Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org babbled: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:38:27PM +0100, Michael Zanetti wrote: On Thursday 18 December 2008 12:29:08 you wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:24:52 +0100 Michael Zanetti babbled: i have. and millions of japanese have. in japan the mobile is pretty much replacing the low-to-mid-end camera. for happy time snaps. why? their lenses and cameras are GOOD. 5+mpixel was available years ago. Yep... unfortunately that millions of japanese people won't use the GTA03 without UMTS support... Maybe it's just a wildguess, but I don't think millions of japanese will use the GTA03 if it has UMTS support. Just putting your logic into perspective :) he asked: Has ever anyone made a picture with a mobile phone camera that doesn't suck? - i had a good answer to it. :) if you want to see the epitomy of awesome technology in phones - visit japan and wander through yodobashi's phone section. i lived there for 4 years. they are well ahead of everyone else. their software and ui's suck though :) seriously dropping camera isn't going to free up money for 3g. 3g is going to cost many many many TIMES what the camera does. you're throwing out the basketballs from the garage to make room for the hummer. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Crackly Calls and Battery Tips! A5/A6 rework. Corrected URL
On Thursday 18 December 2008, Joel Newkirk wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:00:34 +, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: On Wednesday 17 December 2008, Joel Newkirk wrote: I don't know what the physical difference is for the power tweak. (V6 can power up from wall power without battery) It's a bigger C1767 - according to the schematics it's 4.7uF on A5, 47uF on A6 and 100uF on A7. Werner's writeup of the investigations is here: http://people.openmoko.org/werner/gta02-chg/ Thanks - that was most of what I was needing. Unfortunately it doesn't identify the real estate occupied by C1767 there, nor in the component placement diagrams. Can someone point me at the right spot on the board? If it's got enough room for the same 3528 cap we're looking at for the big-C rework (which I doubt, though it looks like it will fit for the big-C position) that would be great. j I've replied on the hardware list since the thread has turned pure hardware, and we're more likely to get an answer there. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Answer from Joerg (was: Re: Crackly Calls and Battery Tips! A5/A6 rework. Corrected URL)
I did the big-c buzzing rework myself, with the precious help of a much more smd-experienced colleague. It was very difficult to replace the resistor because of the proximity of the components around the mic. A very sharp soldering iron is critical. I used a 1k resistor (didn't have a 2k2 of the same size at hand), and a 100uF/10V tantalum capacitor. So far, so good! The buzz seems to be gone for good. :) One caller has reported that I sounded like at the bottom of a pit, but this can be the other older issue... Citando Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com: Joel Newkirk freerun...@newkirk.us writes: Still waiting for an answer from OM. (I posted a question in this thread Friday regarding Tanatalum instead of Ceramic cap - the difference being $0.25 vs $2 each in qty 100, and my radio guy thinks Tant is a good choice for filtering, but waiting for word from Steve or Jeorg) Joel, Joerg overlooked your question on the community mailing list, you should have asked at hardware list instead. I asked him on IRC: here's the answer: 12:57 PaulFertser DocScrutinizer: could you please answer a question wrt capacitor type for the gsm buzz fix? Joel Newkirk asks whether he can use tantalum instead of ceramic ones as tantalum are much cheaper and he's going to perform a rework on a reasonable quantity of units (IIRC). 13:00 DocScrutinizer PaulFertser: we don't have any tantalum caps here, and I would guess they are just too big. I was about to suggest a free caeramic cap for everyone asking for it. actually I'll bring a handfull of those to Germany on Sunday 13:00 DocScrutinizer PaulFertser: technically there is nothing wrong with tantalum 13:01 DocScrutinizer though I'd guess they are somewhat harder to solder, as they're basically electrolytic caps and so won't stand much heat 13:01 PaulFertser DocScrutinizer: if you don't mind, i'm going to post your answer on the community mailing list in the corresponding thread. 13:02 DocScrutinizer go ahead, you're welcome 13:02 DocScrutinizer just quote this dialog is fine 13:04 DocScrutinizer also, to whom it may concern, I plan to join 25C3 congress in Berlin, and maybe rework a couple of devices there for free, or at very least give away caps -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:24:52 pm Michael Zanetti wrote: - Please don't add a camera Or make it optional, I have friends who are are now working in a building where cameras are forbidden (a car company) and so will have to discard their iPhones and Apple laptops for precisely this reason.. cheers, Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Version 2 -- New community distribution hackable1
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:51:13 +0100 Sascha Wessel wes...@nefkom.net wrote: why do we need another distribution? The better solution would be to include the packages into debian, isn't it? This way everyone benefits. Technically it is not really another distribution. It is the port of the GTK phone and PIM suite onto Debian and thus rather close to GNOME Mobile. thus a) it is a home for GTK hackers and C hackers while still open to C++, Python or whatever else you like b) we are stabilizing the platform so that VARs start to see the Freerunner as a serious base which is good for Openmoko c) we are working on making it usable as a phone which is good for everybody One of your goals seems to be the prebuild tarball. I have done one and a half years of flashing over and over again and I'm so sick of it ;-) The tarball is a great way to install in minutes a distribution without need for dfu-util or problems with servers. Once it is there, you can upgrade single packages with apt-get. In any case, flash images will follow. Marcus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Black SOD for a change
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Oh, good luck with GTA03 resume then. Resume never was easy :) Linus loves it too ''Now, suspend/resume debugging is some of the nastiest crud around...'' http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2008/12/debugging-hell.html | Andy, i still think it'd be good if you updated the kernel in you | directory for GTA02 to the one that can actually resume (as the rev is | known, it shouldn't be that hard). People started to try andy-tracking | and not everybody can easily compile it himself. Qi update (that | includes that fancy UI ;) ) would also be good. Right... I'll try sort it later today. | BTW, do i understand it right, that the latest pm stuff from Ben | should fix BT-not-working-after-resume problem? Is it a known issue | or should i provide dmesg for the case? No it's something else to do with Balaji regulator changes, that's what the warnings are in dmesg. The solution might not be simple because the regulator stuff is now going upstream. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklKPvoACgkQOjLpvpq7dMri+ACfZJFasA+c2Y/luxDi1/xIS5WH Xo4An1dJN6ZslMqxSfr++LIEFrtJWfmi =rZjq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:00:14PM +1100, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:52:20 + Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org babbled: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:38:27PM +0100, Michael Zanetti wrote: On Thursday 18 December 2008 12:29:08 you wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:24:52 +0100 Michael Zanetti babbled: i have. and millions of japanese have. in japan the mobile is pretty much replacing the low-to-mid-end camera. for happy time snaps. why? their lenses and cameras are GOOD. 5+mpixel was available years ago. Yep... unfortunately that millions of japanese people won't use the GTA03 without UMTS support... Maybe it's just a wildguess, but I don't think millions of japanese will use the GTA03 if it has UMTS support. Just putting your logic into perspective :) he asked: Has ever anyone made a picture with a mobile phone camera that doesn't suck? - i had a good answer to it. :) if you want to see the epitomy of awesome technology in phones - visit japan and wander through yodobashi's phone section. i lived there for 4 years. they are well ahead of everyone else. their software and ui's suck though :) seriously dropping camera isn't going to free up money for 3g. 3g is going to cost many many many TIMES what the camera does. you're throwing out the basketballs from the garage to make room for the hummer. Yeah! If it's a decent enough camera (5Mp at least), than it's probably worth the upgrade :) I don't find a camera or UMTS as requirements for my phones, but I do recognise the need to integrate communications+computer+camera for I don't like to carry so many equipments with me. OTOH, loose one, loose all... Rui -- Today is Boomtime, the 60th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 5:02 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: a 3g modem/module/chipset is REALLY expensive. especially if you have low volume (that means less than a few hundred thousand units). you pay a small fortune in royalties too. It is true, 3G is expensive and for most practical reasons, probably not feasible. In my situation, it's something that I can't argue with. Myself, living in Canada, most of the country is run on the older CDMA network and GSM is spotty at most so 3G isn't really a priority, but I often get sent to south-east Asia and most of the countries there run on 3G only networks. Unless I know that an FR coming out will have 3G, I'll have to buy a just as or more expensive 3G phone so I can bring it with me. The other thing is seeing the North American market bash with the rest of the world, a big concept that's starting to pick up around here is 'World-Phones' that run on the 850MHz North American networks and 900MHZ networks as well. At least with 3G, we don't have this problem... it all runs on the same bandwidth. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QTExtended] cannot store alsa state
Where are stored these files? there is a specific file state to store or can i store any file in any directory? and if yes, how can i set alsa to use that particular file? thanks - Original Message - From: Al Johnson To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: [QTExtended] cannot store alsa state Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:58:50 + On Thursday 18 December 2008, Giorgio Marci wrote: I adjust the volume on QTExt 4.4.2 using alsamixer and then i'd like to store its state, but the command alsactl -f path_to_file.state store doesn't seem to work and, after that i make or receive a call, the state returns to default! How can i save the alsa state permanently? The command looks correct, but you need to give it the right path and filename for the state you are trying to modify. You could always take a copy of the file before and after, and diff them to check your changes have been saved. I assume you know there are multiple state files that the applications will switch between as required. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
On Thu, December 18, 2008 13:15, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: ... OTOH, loose one, loose all... That is where online backups to servers and address book and calendar synchronisation with your laptop/dekstop are for. Rui -- Today is Boomtime, the 60th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
Justyn Butler wrote: 2008/12/18 Michael Zanetti michael_zane...@gmx.net: As It seems this thread is becoming more and more some sort of a whish-list, I will put my 2ct here also: - Please don't add a camera: Has ever anyone made a picture with a mobile phone camera that doesn't suck? Get a real camera if you want to make some nice pictures! There is just one way to get a useful camera within a mobile phone: Using very expensive optical lens and zooming technologies. But in that case, I'd prefer to use the money for a 3G modem which brings me to the next point in my whishlist. I think this is a misunderstanding of the concept of having a camera in a phone. For many people it is the convenience of *always* having a camera on them. Who knows when you need to take a picture? It doesn't matter if the picture sucks - they have a real camera for quality photos. But they don't have it on them all the time. Furthermore, as Raster points out, for some people the better cameraphones actually do suit their needs *well enough* to replace a normal camera (my gf is one of these). There will always be a large group of people for whom this will never be the case, I know. yep, with 3-5 mpixel, image stabilization and some kind of flash (xenon or whatever prefered), phone cameras becomes quite a workable spur of the moment camera. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QTExtended] cannot store alsa state
I'm not certain on QTExtended, but /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ is the usual location on most of the distros. You can use any filename you like, but the applications will only use the filenames they expect. I don't know if these are configurable or hardcoded in QTExtended. The names should be fairly self-explanatory when you see them in the directory. The phone will probably spend most of its time using stereoout.state so that the ringtone or music playback happens through the speaker. When you pick up a call the dialler will switch it to gsmhandset.state, and back to stereoout.state when you hang up. It may use headset.state and gsmheadset.state if the wired headset is plugged in, or gsmstereoout if the speakerphone setting is used. To use a state file manually run: alsactl -f /path/to/file.state restore On Thursday 18 December 2008, Giorgio Marci wrote: Where are stored these files? there is a specific file state to store or can i store any file in any directory? and if yes, how can i set alsa to use that particular file? thanks - Original Message - From: Al Johnson To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: [QTExtended] cannot store alsa state Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:58:50 + On Thursday 18 December 2008, Giorgio Marci wrote: I adjust the volume on QTExt 4.4.2 using alsamixer and then i'd like to store its state, but the command alsactl -f path_to_file.state store doesn't seem to work and, after that i make or receive a call, the state returns to default! How can i save the alsa state permanently? The command looks correct, but you need to give it the right path and filename for the state you are trying to modify. You could always take a copy of the file before and after, and diff them to check your changes have been saved. I assume you know there are multiple state files that the applications will switch between as required. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Version 2 -- New community distribution hackable1
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Didier Raboud did...@raboud.com wrote: Marcus Bauer wrote: fully in the spirit of release early, release often we want to * This is not a judgment of quality of the given distribution. * I don't think that multiplying the _distributions_ is doing any good to the OpenMoko ecosystem as whole. Well using that analogy, it is known as evolution, and survival of the fittest. To me it seems the quickest way of finding the features that prove themselves to be most popular; rather than those that get approval from a few people in positions of power. If those few are off-beam, the whole project could fail. So I welcome the diversity. clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: hotpots in the world: http://maps.fon.com/ this map is faked cause a node is added once you entered your coord in order to receive one router. No matter if you move between, or if you never plug it on... I agree to Raster... Even if there is few open hotspot, it's barely usable because it isn't noticed anywhere. here is a view in my city after a small wardrive : http://le-roux.info/temp/wardrive_brest.png results here : http://brest-wireless.net/wiki/wd more than 10 000 wifi access points. less than 1% opened, less than 0,4% opened by acknwoledgement You can use it only if there is a real wifi network band (like brest-sans-fil-x access in Brest city, only 40 APs for now) Look the freephonie map... freephonie is a free service provided by the the ISP free.fr in France. Every where you have a freephonie access point (the set top box freebox), you can phone freely and taxes free. It's usable, because you have freebox everywhere...nearly 30% of the whole probes we see... and compared to that... we have 2 fon access... versus... http://maps.fon.com?lt=48.39649929054651ln=-4.488687515258789zm=14 numbers speak themselves... On Thu, December 18, 2008 10:51, john wrote: A similar situation in London. Apparently we have the most WiFi hotspots in comparison to other cities [1] but you will have to pay to use the majority of these as they are operated by telecos like BT. [1] http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/29/london-trounces-rest-of-world-in-quest-for-wifi-dominance/ I have a deal to use T-Mobile hotspots but never used them as I just leave my device connected via 3G. The only time I switch to WiFi outside my house is when I am at my local pub which has poor GSM signal and free WiFI. Having said that, the only application I tend to hammer the 3G on is Internet radio. I like to chillax to KCRW on my commute! John. 2008/12/18 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com: [snip] Improving to 3G is therefore a nice to have for me. Not mandatory. here is where i'd disagree. i can walk down my street in sydney - 100% of wifi spots are locked (wep/wpa etc.) - no one opens them. yopur choice is spotty wifi hotspots you have to pay for. the other option is 3g (umts/hsdpa etc.) which has pretty good coverage most areas in urban settings - even outside. i think there seems to be some assumption that wifi is so widespread in urban areas (and it comes at a cost equal to or cheaper than 3g datarates). this is not the case in australia. not to mention the datarates for 3g are MUCH less than 2g - they give you a discount for 3g data, but for 2g, it's rap you silly per kilobyte. why? the phone network's 2g data setup was NOT designed for heavy data usage - it's being abused for data and that impacts call quality and the providers will appropriately price the service based on the network ability to provide. so 3g is reasonable. for 2g i will never pay for it as its outragoeus. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[shr] blackout/suspend inhibit
Hi, perhaps i am not searching properly - is there a way to dynamically inhibit blackout/suspend somehow? I would like to trigger it for certain programs like navit or in case power is connected. i am note sure whether kernel version would be in question then - i use both andy-tracking and testing kernel. thank you Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
I think this discussion does not get my original point, which does take the useage pattern into account. When I am at work, at University, at home, visiting friends, I always have an open WiFi. In most of these locations I also have HSDPA. At my parents, mother-in-law's location or in holidays in the mountains or at a nice beach there was always neither WIFI nor HSDPA and my Huawei did fall back to GPRS. That was slow but it works. At no extra cost. And no need to find a WLAN hotspot. So having GPRS is better than having nothing. And my UMTS contract at 20 EUR per month includes GPRS. I acknowledge that others have different useage patterns (urban areas walking/driving through the streets), but that is not my typical pattern. And I agree that having UMTS with auto-fallback to GPRS is easier to use than switching between GPRS and WIFI. But when I have to live with GPRS in rural areas anyway, why not also at urban ones until cheap 3G modules become available for a GTA04. Therefore I came to the conclusion that it is not mandatory for me but a nice to have. Coming to cost, the pattern is: Network Speed Cost --- --- open WiFi fastfree paid WiFi fastquite expensive (20 EUR / 24h) UMTSfastmy 20 EUR flat rate GPRSslowincluded in my 20 EUR UMTS flat rate So the result is that I will no longer use the paid WiFi services because they are too expensive compared to using fallback GPRS. Nikolaus Am 18.12.2008 um 14:48 schrieb Steven Le Roux: more than 10 000 wifi access points. less than 1% opened, less than 0,4% opened by acknwoledgement ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO M4 - nice GSM sound
Hi, just want to add another confirmation that this works for me. I have image of SHR from 2008-12-09 intalled on my neo. Thanks a lot Leonti wrote: I tried it and it's working great! Thanks. Leonti On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 2:35 PM, Carl Lobo carll...@gmail.com wrote: the echo of the other person. On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 7:00 PM, Leonti Bielski prishe...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't do this for my SHR and I have no echo. But a person I'm talking to hear an echo. Does this fix my echo (which I don't have anyway) or an echo for another person? Leonti ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/FSO-M4---nice-GSM-sound-tp1486414p1673088.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WSOD
thanks for the help, andy. On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:18 AM, Andy Green a...@openmoko.com wrote: Well, first confirm with cat /proc/version that you're running what you think you're running. r...@om-gta02:~# cat /proc/version Linux version 2.6.24 (bu...@barbie) (gcc version 4.1.2) #1 PREEMPT Tue Dec 16 09:01:00 CST 2008 'opkg list_installed | grep kernel' gives a lot of packages. most have the version: 3:2.6.24+gitr76014+fb42ce6724576fc173faf8abfb04aa2c36d213b7-r2.01 however, there is one that is different, and that would be: kernel-module-usbhid - 3:2.6.24+gitr75986+f5b973489beb1a1239dfad53e3ad6e36ff7ee958-r2 i have 3 packages that look like actual kernel packages. i think a couple of them might be meta packages but they are: kernel - 3:2.6.24+gitr76014+fb42ce6724576fc173faf8abfb04aa2c36d213b7-r2.01 kernel-2.6.24 - 3:2.6.24+gitr76014+fb42ce6724576fc173faf8abfb04aa2c36d213b7-r2.01 kernel-image-2.6.24 - 3:2.6.24+gitr76014+fb42ce6724576fc173faf8abfb04aa2c36d213b7-r2.01 they all look the same to me as far as version is concerned. i hope that helps. Second, WSOD from resume is a bit ambiguous since it can be a more generic resume failure on 2.6.24. If you disable resume and just let it do framebuffer blanking for a while, do you ever see the WSOD just from that? i'm not sure how to turn on framebuffer blanking but i will do some research and use that for a bit and report back; however, i have used other distros where frameblanking was the norm and never had wsod. i only get wsod after a resume. -peter ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QTExtended] cannot store alsa state
Thanks very much for your explaination.. very useful. The last curiosity...is there a place to find a schema of what I change if i change alsamixer values? i mean, what is the value to change in order to increase the caller's voice? - Original Message - From: Al Johnson To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: [QTExtended] cannot store alsa state Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:12:01 + I'm not certain on QTExtended, but /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ is the usual location on most of the distros. You can use any filename you like, but the applications will only use the filenames they expect. I don't know if these are configurable or hardcoded in QTExtended. The names should be fairly self-explanatory when you see them in the directory. The phone will probably spend most of its time using stereoout.state so that the ringtone or music playback happens through the speaker. When you pick up a call the dialler will switch it to gsmhandset.state, and back to stereoout.state when you hang up. It may use headset.state and gsmheadset.state if the wired headset is plugged in, or gsmstereoout if the speakerphone setting is used. To use a state file manually run: alsactl -f /path/to/file.state restore On Thursday 18 December 2008, Giorgio Marci wrote: Where are stored these files? there is a specific file state to store or can i store any file in any directory? and if yes, how can i set alsa to use that particular file? thanks - Original Message - From: Al Johnson To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: [QTExtended] cannot store alsa state Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:58:50 + On Thursday 18 December 2008, Giorgio Marci wrote: I adjust the volume on QTExt 4.4.2 using alsamixer and then i'd like to store its state, but the command alsactl -f path_to_file.state store doesn't seem to work and, after that i make or receive a call, the state returns to default! How can i save the alsa state permanently? The command looks correct, but you need to give it the right path and filename for the state you are trying to modify. You could always take a copy of the file before and after, and diff them to check your changes have been saved. I assume you know there are multiple state files that the applications will switch between as required. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Default IP Address on All Distributions
Why on earth would you choose 192.168.0.*? This is probably the most common IP address on an internal network in the world and of course this means problems. If your network is configured with this IP range and you pop a freerunner in, it of course cause a world of pain. Please choose a more sensible default. -- Esben Stien is b...@e s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions
Am Thursday 18 December 2008 16:46:55 schrieb Esben Stien: Why on earth would you choose 192.168.0.*? This is probably the most common IP address on an internal network in the world and of course this means problems. If your network is configured with this IP range and you pop a freerunner in, it of course cause a world of pain. Please choose a more sensible default. Nearly every network I know uses 192.168.1.*, so the default is perfectly fine... Although something like 192.168.64.* could be statistically more failsafe. -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions
On 18 Dec 2008, at 15:46, Esben Stien wrote: Why on earth would you choose 192.168.0.*? This is probably the most common IP address on an internal network in the world and of course this means problems. +1 Stroller ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions
On 18 Dec 2008, at 14:55, Marcel wrote: Am Thursday 18 December 2008 16:46:55 schrieb Esben Stien: Why on earth would you choose 192.168.0.*? This is probably the most common IP address on an internal network in the world and of course this means problems. ... Nearly every network I know uses 192.168.1.*, so the default is perfectly fine... IME 192.168.1.* is the *second* most common address range for private networks. Although something like 192.168.64.* could be statistically more failsafe. Indeed. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions
Marcel wrote: Am Thursday 18 December 2008 16:46:55 schrieb Esben Stien: Why on earth would you choose 192.168.0.*? This is probably the most common IP address on an internal network in the world and of course this means problems. Well... no - with a sane routing configuration that shouldn't be much of a problem. I have a 192.168.0 network at home and have no problems accessing my freerunner without changing IPs. If your network is configured with this IP range and you pop a freerunner in, it of course cause a world of pain. Please choose a more sensible default. Nearly every network I know uses 192.168.1.*, so the default is perfectly fine... Although something like 192.168.64.* could be statistically more failsafe. Actually in that case I would avoid all powers of two. A higher prime number, like 97, might be a good choice... But eventually someone is always going to get into trouble, so maybe the better route would be to clearly explain how to avoid routing misconfiguration and how to change the default IP (which is done in /etc/network/interfaces fyi). Regards, Andreas Fischer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WSOD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | i'm not sure how to turn on framebuffer blanking but i will do some | research and use that for a bit and report back; however, i have used | other distros where frameblanking was the norm and never had wsod. i | only get wsod after a resume. I guess it is another Glamo / suspend related misery. On andy-tracking I changed the Glamo resume to hard reset the Glamo and reload it every time. This works around a variety of WSOD caused by accidental actuation of Glamo's reset signal during suspend via a dodgy resistor divider. Later today I'll update the testing binaries in http://people.openmoko.org/andy and I think that will impact this problem for you. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklKaYUACgkQOjLpvpq7dMolRwCdGnVieQx0k7qpF4xzwxVAmGNc BOkAn0rkZDGfl63vPUY3IYValwgigPv+ =Cu9d -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:46:55 +0100, Esben Stien b...@esben-stien.name wrote: Why on earth would you choose 192.168.0.*? This is probably the most common IP address on an internal network in the world and of course this means problems. 169.254.0.0/16 is probably more appropriate because this range is assigned to link-local addresses. -- Alexey Feldgendler ale...@feldgendler.ru [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions
IME 192.168.1.* is the *second* most common address range for private networks. I think in Spain nearly all ISP, distribute their routers for home users with the 192.168.1.* default. Until the Freerunner, I had never seen a 192.168.0.* network (or I don't remember). I suppose it's part of the cultural environment, like so many things. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions
Am Thursday 18 December 2008 16:14:06 schrieb Andreas Fischer: Marcel wrote: Am Thursday 18 December 2008 16:46:55 schrieb Esben Stien: Why on earth would you choose 192.168.0.*? This is probably the most common IP address on an internal network in the world and of course this means problems. Well... no - with a sane routing configuration that shouldn't be much of a problem. I have a 192.168.0 network at home and have no problems accessing my freerunner without changing IPs. If your network is configured with this IP range and you pop a freerunner in, it of course cause a world of pain. Please choose a more sensible default. Nearly every network I know uses 192.168.1.*, so the default is perfectly fine... Although something like 192.168.64.* could be statistically more failsafe. Actually in that case I would avoid all powers of two. A higher prime number, like 97, might be a good choice... I just typed some random numbers 1 to get to the safer side... :) -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...
Well, I flashed my Neo with the Om2008.9-gta02-20081106 image and jffs2 file system and I have a phone that boots once again. In fact I have it fully functional with my original target of an automatic wifi connection using WPA2 encryption to my Access Point. I'm running a laptop with hostapd and a USB wireless Dongle configured to be the wireless access point. I'm building my system out of experimental parts as a demo for my customer. On the laptop I have: 2.6.28-rc5 kernel (experimental) USB Wireless Dongle driver rt2x00usb (experimental and I had to hack it) hostapd Appilcation (release 0.6.6... experimental) Asterisk - open source PBX application I was using a Nokia e71 wifi and SIP enabled phone to connect to the access point that I had created but it would not see the SSID of my Access Point. This worried me since I had created it all on bleeding edge s/w and perhaps I had bled myself into a corner but, when I checked, all other devices could at least see my access point. I just happened to have been given a Neo Freerunner by the customer as well for future work. Well, it had 3 obvious advantages over the Nokia phone, 1. I could get at the s/w on it. 2. It Moos when it flips over. 3. Thanks to the ground breaking work of Carlo Menucci, it sends good vibes!! The last step is now before me, I need to get a SIP phone to work on the Neo (that's why the customer had originally chosen the e71, its a SIP enabled phone). There seems to be 2 available for the Neo but both present me with problems. The SIP phone called Twinkle is only available on the Debian distro. The SIP phone called Linphone seems to have some library issues. Is there an easy way of porting a Debian package to the opkg format? Can the library issues with Linphone be easily solved? The errors I see when I try to install it as per the instructions on the Linphone page is: r...@om-gta02:/etc/opkg# opkg update parseVersion: ERROR: epoch in version is not numberparseVersion: ERROR: epoch in version is not numberparseVersion: ERROR: epoch in version is not numberparseVersion: ERROR: epoch in version is not numberDownloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/Packages.gz this goes on for quite some time. Cheers!! On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 6:56 PM, roguem...@roguewrt.org wrote: Konstantin wrote: roguem...@roguewrt.org schrieb: [ 204.715000] PM:Removing info for No Bus:vcs2 [ 204.72] PM:Removing info for No Bus:vcsa2 Essentially the Neo is now a brick. I'm wondering where to go from here. I have installed 2008 version of the s/w on the phone. Unfortunately without the exact steps you took to get into this situation, we're unable to determine the correct steps to get you out. The most generic answers would be: 1). Reflash with your preferred distribution. 2). Boot from SD Card, access the flash memory and correct your mistake. Although I'm not sure if '2)' is possible as I've never tried. I've only ever come in from the other direction (modify SD from flash). Potentially, if it is simply the x server not starting, you may still be able to ssh in via usb and correct your mistake. I *might* just have the same problem. I tried opkg-upgrading my FDOM (OM2008.9) to testing, and now booting stops with the same messages the original poster has seen, plus the same vor vcs1 and vcsa1. Haven't found a way to fix this, unfortunately, as ssh doesn't seem to be running. The kernel however is still alive, responds to pings and prints out information about the changed power state when plugging in the charger or the usb cable. It's really hard to say. I know first hand that an opkg upgrade to testing can cause this. The original poster was having other issues aswell however. I'd say if your problems aren't intermittent then you may just have a bad upgrade. I'm tempted to think the dropbear problem is back aswell, as I overwrote all config files, the default a while back prevented ssh access except for localhost? or something silly. I remember having to modify the startup script via the om terminal app. Either way, I think using a testing image before opkg upgrading via testing is probably a better option. I haven't tried the FDOM script ... at all ... or FDOM for that matter ... but I imagine it would apply to testing? Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- John Dowd jd...@slashdevslashnull.org 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 01:59:25PM +0100, Pander wrote: On Thu, December 18, 2008 13:15, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: ... OTOH, loose one, loose all... That is where online backups to servers and address book and calendar synchronisation with your laptop/dekstop are for. Do they give me a new device too? Because that is the real problem of integration :) Rui -- Pzat! Today is Boomtime, the 60th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: mxDateTime on Openmoko?
Thanks Timo, I'm wanting to install gnue-forms on my phone for some database work. When I didn't have mxdate time installed at all, I would run the gnue-forms installation script and it would complain, predictably, that I hadn't met the requirements. I apt-get installed it onto my ubuntu laptop and copied the produced files onto the phone, the application now tells me that I have the *wrong* mxdate time installed: r...@om-gta02:~/gnue-forms-0.6.1# python setup.py install running install checking GNUe Common Library checking mxDateTime library *** You don't have the (right) mxDateTime binaries installed ! --- Could not import the mx.DateTime package. Please install mxDateTime from the mxtools suite. The file 'INSTALL' contains more information about dependencies. r...@om-gta02:~/gnue-forms-0.6.1# I can produce the same results with: r...@om-gta02:~/gnue-forms-0.6.1# python Python 2.5.2 (r252:60911, Oct 14 2008, 01:51:25) [GCC 4.1.2] on linux2 Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. import mx.DateTime *** You don't have the (right) mxDateTime binaries installed ! Traceback (most recent call last): File stdin, line 1, in module File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/mx/DateTime/__init__.py, line 8, in module from DateTime import * File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/mx/DateTime/DateTime.py, line 9, in module from mxDateTime import * File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/mx/DateTime/mxDateTime/__init__.py, line 13, in module raise ImportError, why ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/mx/DateTime/mxDateTime/mxDateTime.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory I see that /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/mx/DateTime/mxDateTime/mxDateTime.so is a binary file. Perhaps I could replace it with a compiled binary from the Openmoko debian distribution and it would work? All I would have to do then is get Debian to work on my openmoko ;-) Cheers, Joseph 2008/12/12 Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi: Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.com writes: Has anyone had any joy installing Egenix mx base on openmoko? Specifically I need mxDateTime, but I'm not having any luck getting anything installed: Not sure how much this helps with openmoko distro but with debian mxdatetime seems to install just fine on the phone: li...@ginger$ sudo apt-get install python-egenix-mxdatetime Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libdrm2 Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. The following extra packages will be installed: python-egenix-mxtools Suggested packages: python-egenix-mxdatetime-dbg python-egenix-mxtools-dbg The following NEW packages will be installed: python-egenix-mxdatetime python-egenix-mxtools 0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 1178kB of archives. After this operation, 2023kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y Get:1 http://ftp.fi.debian.org unstable/main python-egenix-mxtools 3.1.1-1 [512kB] Get:2 http://ftp.fi.debian.org unstable/main python-egenix-mxdatetime 3.1.1-1 [667kB] Fetched 1178kB in 3min47s (5177B/s) debconf: delaying package configuration, since apt-utils is not installed Selecting previously deselected package python-egenix-mxtools. (Reading database ... 36487 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking python-egenix-mxtools (from .../python-egenix-mxtools_3.1.1-1_armel.deb) ... Selecting previously deselected package python-egenix-mxdatetime. Unpacking python-egenix-mxdatetime (from .../python-egenix-mxdatetime_3.1.1-1_armel.deb) ... Setting up python-egenix-mxtools (3.1.1-1) ... Setting up python-egenix-mxdatetime (3.1.1-1) ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions
Nearly every network I know uses 192.168.1.*, so the default is perfectly fine... Although something like 192.168.64.* could be statistically more failsafe. Actually in that case I would avoid all powers of two. A higher prime number, like 97, might be a good choice... I just typed some random numbers 1 to get to the safer side... :) And that's probably why this is not the best number: it should be the last to come in mind, not the first! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:24:52 +0100 Michael Zanetti michael_zane...@gmx.net babbled: As It seems this thread is becoming more and more some sort of a whish-list, I will put my 2ct here also: - Please don't add a camera: Has ever anyone made a picture with a mobile phone camera that doesn't suck? Get a real camera if you want to make some nice pictures! There is just one way to get a useful camera within a mobile phone: Using very expensive optical lens and zooming technologies. But in that case, I'd prefer to use the money for a 3G modem which brings me to the next point in my whishlist. i have. and millions of japanese have. in japan the mobile is pretty much replacing the low-to-mid-end camera. for happy time snaps. why? their lenses and cameras are GOOD. 5+mpixel was available years ago. What kind of camera are these phones replacing? Credit-card sized cameras that indeed are as lousy as phone cameras are? Note that it isn't merely a question of megapixels. More pixels doesn't make the image better, if the sensor stays as small. Smaller pixels create lots of noise, and have no dynamic range. You could manufacture a 20 megapixel sensor small enough to go in a phone - no problem for the factory. It'd be useless though. It'd be nice if a camera is optional, at least. Some doesn't want to pay for it, some want to use the camera where cameras aren't allowed. And consider the market - this hacker's phone are for technically interested people, most of who get a decent camera if they want to take pictures. And of course, a pop-out camera leaves room that can be used for something else. Such as room for several SD-cards, perhaps even that secondary SIM option. More SDcards is good - one for the OS and one that can be changed with the system running. (Or RAID, for the specially interested :-) Two SIMs are what business users want - one for private use and one for company use. - 3G connectivity: Although it is very expensive, I think we _really_ need this one. I know so many people who would like to buy a Freerunner, but they don't do so because of the missing UMTS connectivity. Nice to have, and why so expensive? If the problem is small series, cooperate with some other phone manufacturer and have them resell a small portion of their large shipment of 3G chips. - The rest could stay just as it is in GTA 02. Im perfectly happy with it. Perhaps the slow Glamo could be exchanged... But afaik this is done already... Yes, it is necessary to update the whole screen in a timely manner. Full screen video ought to be ok, and this would speed up the GUI in general too. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions
Alexey Feldgendler wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:46:55 +0100, Esben Stien b...@esben-stien.name wrote: Why on earth would you choose 192.168.0.*? This is probably the most common IP address on an internal network in the world and of course this means problems. 169.254.0.0/16 is probably more appropriate because this range is assigned to link-local addresses. Sure. And if we go that way, why not use the proper way of setting a link-local address? * Pick a random address * check that it is free (arp, ping,...) * take it. That has a good chance of working, even for those who routinely connect two phones to the same pc at the same time. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WSOD
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Andy Green a...@openmoko.com wrote Somebody in the thread at some point said: | i'm not sure how to turn on framebuffer blanking but i will do some | research and use that for a bit and report back; however, i have used | other distros where frameblanking was the norm and never had wsod. i | only get wsod after a resume. I guess it is another Glamo / suspend related misery. On andy-tracking I changed the Glamo resume to hard reset the Glamo and reload it every time. This works around a variety of WSOD caused by accidental actuation of Glamo's reset signal during suspend via a dodgy resistor divider. Later today I'll update the testing binaries in http://people.openmoko.org/andy and I think that will impact this problem for you. thanks a lot andy. please let me know when this happens so i can update. can you also please point me to somewhere that tells me about how to use andy-tracking instead of stock and what things might be broken due to the /sys filesystem changes. thanks, -peter ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions
In Italy most of the home user routers have 192.168.0.* by default. - Original Message - From: fla...@correo.ugr.es To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:20:35 +0100 (CET) IME 192.168.1.* is the *second* most common address range for private networks. I think in Spain nearly all ISP, distribute their routers for home users with the 192.168.1.* default. Until the Freerunner, I had never seen a 192.168.0.* network (or I don't remember). I suppose it's part of the cultural environment, like so many things. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions
Giorgio Marci ha scritto: In Italy most of the home user routers have 192.168.0.* by default. in italy most are 192.168.1.* :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions
Sure. And if we go that way, why not use the proper way of setting a link-local address? * Pick a random address * check that it is free (arp, ping,...) * take it. That has a good chance of working, even for those who routinely connect two phones to the same pc at the same time. Helge Hafting I'm not sure to have fully understood you, but I like having the phone always on the same address. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions
One word. zeroconf Oh, it is two words zeroconf and bonjour www.zeroconf.org/ PS: As fallback for DHCP of course. Esben Stien wrote: Why on earth would you choose 192.168.0.*? This is probably the most common IP address on an internal network in the world and of course this means problems. If your network is configured with this IP range and you pop a freerunner in, it of course cause a world of pain. Please choose a more sensible default. -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WSOD
Hi, Peter Abplanalp pta-openm...@psaconsultants.com writes: can you also please point me to somewhere that tells me about how to use andy-tracking instead of stock and what things might be broken due to the /sys filesystem changes. Basically you can try to use andy-tracking with FSO ms4 with a quick-and-dirty patch from http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/293 . The proper support is coming in MS5 (probably will be backported to stabilization/milestone4). It doesn't seem that any other distro is ready. What will be broken depends mostly on the distro's way of dealing with /sys. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No more optimization team
I opted for the G1, partly for the reasons you've given, but mainly because it turned out to be available as a free upgrade from my old handset. I can't say I'm terribly happy with it. I haven't had my hands on a Freerunner yet for comparison, but depending upon what you want to do with your phone, you may find that the Freerunner gets there first, or has already got there. Is the G1 having problems calling, sending/receiving sms or sound issues? If anyone in the Netherlands is interested in buying my Freerunner please contact me. I'm not a good advocate for the movement anymore, it will probably will be better if someone with a fresh attitude owns it. Based on my experience owning a G1, I'd suggest you try out whatever phone you're planning to use instead before you ditch your Freerunner. Also look at the forums, etc, to see some of the issues people are having. There's no perfect phone out there at the moment. Not looking for a perfect phone, but the basic stuff should be working. Nobody showed up to buy my phone yet, so I might try some images in a few days. I think I will try hackable:1and SHR. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No more optimization team
Olivier Migeot wrote: Community, you have this Openmoko company who is still working on their product some months after it's been released. Granted, the first release was nowhere near astounding. But in closed world developement, who could claim such dedication? ;) In a closed world OM would have been panned, the devices returned and probably have been forced out of business by now. Openness is great. FOSS is great. Working base functionality is more important though. After trying to live with the freerunner and OM2008 for a month I bought another phone. My FR is also doing a good impression of a brick most of the time. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/No-more-optimization-team-tp1637861p1674010.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.testing] Re: alsa problem after resume
Try to just stop the speech-dispatcher service running all the time and just start/end it with navit. This should also solve the problem but you still got text2speech capabilities. :) Ciao, Rainer W.Kenworthy wrote: Solution: removed speech dispatcher from running and rebooted. Will look further, but it seems it was installed with navit - which I have not used so far. BillK * early sign of madness - replying to ones own posts - multiple times for this one so ... On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 15:21 +0900, W.Kenworthy wrote: Should have added - using 2008.testing, and it used to work. Stopped at some point after installs and upgrades, dont know when :( BillK On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 14:54 +0900, W.Kenworthy wrote: Any ideas on this: Forced audio codec: mad Opening audio decoder: [libmad] libmad mpeg audio decoder AUDIO: 16000 Hz, 1 ch, s16le, 16.0 kbit/6.25% (ratio: 2000-32000) Selected audio codec: [mad] afm: libmad (libMAD MPEG layer 1-2-3) == [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy AO: [alsa] 48000Hz 1ch s16le (2 bytes per sample) Video: no video Starting playback... [AO_ALSA] Pcm in suspend mode, trying to resume. A: 0.0 (00.0) of 177.0 (02:57.0) ??,?% Before suspending, everything is fine. Afterward resume, mplayer gives this error, I have no received audio in phonecalls, or ring tone, or sms beeps. No audio until reboot in fact. Any ideas? BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No more optimization team
Gothnet schrieb: Olivier Migeot wrote: Community, you have this Openmoko company who is still working on their product some months after it's been released. Granted, the first release was nowhere near astounding. But in closed world developement, who could claim such dedication? ;) In a closed world OM would have been panned, the devices returned and probably have been forced out of business by now. Openness is great. FOSS is great. Working base functionality is more important though. After trying to live with the freerunner and OM2008 for a month I bought another phone. My FR is also doing a good impression of a brick most of the time. Maybe i'm teh luckiest guy in the universe, but i've been using my fr as a daily phone without problems (i am always reachable, i don't even know what wsod is, echo is there, but barely noticable, no buzz, te testing image is *FAST*) there are some issues (e.g. i don't like the qpe apps), but the basics are working RELIABLY. the antenna the put into the pill is awesome: i am the only person at the pub, who has reception (which is not always a good thing, becaus there are so many annoying folks out there who keep stealing my time). i am using the testing image (but i also have a backed up 2008.9 which is working perfectly, but slower than the testing, which is why i switched to testing) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Android] Can't boot from current git
Radek Polak wrote: Hi, yesterday i updated and built latest adnroid sources from http://git.koolu.org/. While the previous versions were working fine, this one does not boot. It hangs somewhere in init. These are last lines i see: init: cannot find '/system/bin/playmp3', disabling 'bootsound' init: cannot find '/system/bin/flash_image', disabling 'flash_recovery' Anyone else got this problem, or is something wrong on my side? Try editing platform/vendor/neo/BoardConfig.mk and changing the line BUILD_WITHOUT_PV := true to BUILD_WITHOUT_PV := false That fixed it for me. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No more optimization team
edit: yes, the battery life sucks at the testing image (on 2008.9 i had 40 hours, which is not great, but since i come at least every second day, this was not a problem) ---BeginMessage--- Gothnet schrieb: Olivier Migeot wrote: Community, you have this Openmoko company who is still working on their product some months after it's been released. Granted, the first release was nowhere near astounding. But in closed world developement, who could claim such dedication? ;) In a closed world OM would have been panned, the devices returned and probably have been forced out of business by now. Openness is great. FOSS is great. Working base functionality is more important though. After trying to live with the freerunner and OM2008 for a month I bought another phone. My FR is also doing a good impression of a brick most of the time. Maybe i'm teh luckiest guy in the universe, but i've been using my fr as a daily phone without problems (i am always reachable, i don't even know what wsod is, echo is there, but barely noticable, no buzz, te testing image is *FAST*) there are some issues (e.g. i don't like the qpe apps), but the basics are working RELIABLY. the antenna the put into the pill is awesome: i am the only person at the pub, who has reception (which is not always a good thing, becaus there are so many annoying folks out there who keep stealing my time). i am using the testing image (but i also have a backed up 2008.9 which is working perfectly, but slower than the testing, which is why i switched to testing) ---End Message--- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions
Most Linux users, or most users that this device is aimed at are intelligent enough to do a ip addr add 192.168.0.200/32 dev usb0 ip route add 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0 This will only make two addresses on your network inaccessible. Then you can SSH into it, and change the IP address. This takes a whole 5 minutes! It'll make you miserable to not have connectivity, I understand, but just handle it. We've finally standardized on a set of IPs, and -everyone- is happy with it, except a few individuals who don't know how to use their system. Please stop complaining. -Thanks On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Tilman Baumann til...@baumann.name wrote: One word. zeroconf Oh, it is two words zeroconf and bonjour www.zeroconf.org/ PS: As fallback for DHCP of course. Esben Stien wrote: Why on earth would you choose 192.168.0.*? This is probably the most common IP address on an internal network in the world and of course this means problems. If your network is configured with this IP range and you pop a freerunner in, it of course cause a world of pain. Please choose a more sensible default. -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions
Am 18.12.2008 um 19:50 schrieb Sargun Dhillon: Most Linux users, or most users that this device is aimed at are intelligent enough to do a ip addr add 192.168.0.200/32 dev usb0 ip route add 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0 This will only make two addresses on your network inaccessible. Then you can SSH into it, and change the IP address. This takes a whole 5 minutes! It'll make you miserable to not have connectivity, I understand, but just handle it. I read the discussion as the request to avoid the situation completely (spend 0 minutes) instead of handling it. Saves 1 people 5 minutes each, i.e. 34.7 days. And, you have forgot that learning how to do that takes more than 5 minutes if you are not an experienced sysadmin. We've finally standardized on a set of IPs, and -everyone- is happy with it, except a few individuals who don't know how to use their system. Hm, I always thought that the FR is aimed at the *mass market* Not for the 0.01% of individuals (i.e. PC users worldwide) who know by heart how to set IP routes... Just my 2ct. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: mxDateTime on Openmoko?
Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.com writes: have to do then is get Debian to work on my openmoko ;-) Just install debian to chroot if you don't want to replace your current distro completely. http://iki.fi/lindi/schroot.txt has instructions on how to make this more or less transparent to use (instructions for x86 but should adapt). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions
The OpenMoko FreeRunner was never aimed at end users. It's always been aimed at developers, and if you don't know how to set routes do a man ip or ip help. There are a fair chunk of those developers who don't have the IP overlap issue. I'd say there are maybe 1000 active freerunner users, and maybe 60% of them have an overlapping IP. I counted how long it takes to change the IP (on debian) (including adding routes, setting link up), and it was about 45 seconds. That's a total of 7.5 man hours world wide. Installing active desktop, and all the other crap for my palm phone takes 20-35 minutes--way longer. Anyways, I'm just saying 7.5 global hours isn't very much when you're considering mass market smart phones probably soak up millions of hours a year. Additionally, 7.5 is NOTHING, especially when there are 6.5 billion people in the world. Stop yer whining. On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: Am 18.12.2008 um 19:50 schrieb Sargun Dhillon: Most Linux users, or most users that this device is aimed at are intelligent enough to do a ip addr add 192.168.0.200/32 dev usb0 ip route add 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0 This will only make two addresses on your network inaccessible. Then you can SSH into it, and change the IP address. This takes a whole 5 minutes! It'll make you miserable to not have connectivity, I understand, but just handle it. I read the discussion as the request to avoid the situation completely (spend 0 minutes) instead of handling it. Saves 1 people 5 minutes each, i.e. 34.7 days. And, you have forgot that learning how to do that takes more than 5 minutes if you are not an experienced sysadmin. We've finally standardized on a set of IPs, and -everyone- is happy with it, except a few individuals who don't know how to use their system. Hm, I always thought that the FR is aimed at the *mass market* Not for the 0.01% of individuals (i.e. PC users worldwide) who know by heart how to set IP routes... Just my 2ct. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions
2008/12/19 Sargun Dhillon xbmodder+openm...@gmail.com: 6.5 billion people in the world. Stop yer whining. i think you shouldn't be so dismissive to someone who, rather than whining, put his point forward in a constructive way. this was hardly your average ill-directed rant from someone who doesn't understand the situation. patience, tolerance and understanding are considered good things, you know ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Navit add destination
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:13:07 + Samuel Pereira em...@samuelpereira.net (SP) wrote: Hi, Can you add any destination on navit? Thanks, Samuel With the new version: click anywhere you want to go to on the map, this will bring up menu, choose Actions and then you will see the coordinates of the selected point. Click on it and choose from: Set as destination, Set as position, Add as bookmark, POIs (you can also see the name of the street or of the selected element). You want to choose Set as destination. -- Petr Vaněk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenVibe is out
Peter Stumm ha scritto: hi, where can i find the source code, i want to start programming with enlightenment and need a little example. for example you can read this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Python#Minimal_ETK_gui+ and this for documentation http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/EFL_Documentation ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Black SOD for a change
Andy Green wrote: | I suggest you compile the kernel as well as relevant modules | yourself. Or ask Andy to update his private directory. :) I am sitting on another update to power management stuff from Ben Dooks locally the last week until I can confirm it didn't do to GTA02 resume what the last update did. Since I am in the hellworld of trying to get GTA03 resume working it might not happen immediately. -Andy I noticed a fresh kernel in your directory, so I flashed it. It seems to resume, which is nice, but after suspending and resuming once, there is noise on the screen, the bad TV antenna sort. Subsequent suspends/resumes don't help. Rebooting helps. -- Tysiace zabawnych wierszyków.Dodaj swoj Sprawdz http://link.interia.pl/f1fcd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Bluetooth headset GUI configuration
Hi! Everybody has their own reasons for using or not using the Freerunner as their daily phone. I've so far used it mostly as a toy (fun one at that) because I miss one feature: An easy GUI setup method for bluetooth headsets (A2DP would be quite nice too). I've simply grown used to being able to walk around and do things like cleaning the apartment while talking. I realise this is probably possible in Qt Extended, but I'd really like to have it in FSO, SHR, 2008.x or perhaps Debian. So: Do any of the distributions allow easy use of bluetooth headsets? Are there active projects working on this? // Simon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth headset GUI configuration
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Simon Kagstrom simon.kagst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! Everybody has their own reasons for using or not using the Freerunner as their daily phone. I've so far used it mostly as a toy (fun one at that) because I miss one feature: An easy GUI setup method for bluetooth headsets (A2DP would be quite nice too). I've simply grown used to being able to walk around and do things like cleaning the apartment while talking. I realise this is probably possible in Qt Extended, but I'd really like to have it in FSO, SHR, 2008.x or perhaps Debian. So: Do any of the distributions allow easy use of bluetooth headsets? Are there active projects working on this? // Simon A search of the wiki brings up this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Bluetooth_Headset_on_Freerunner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Black SOD for a change
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | I noticed a fresh kernel in your directory, so I flashed it. It seems | to resume, which is nice, but after suspending and resuming once, there | is noise on the screen, the bad TV antenna sort. Subsequent | suspends/resumes don't help. Rebooting helps. After you rebooted, is it doing that bad shimmering thing each resume? I did six resumes in a row fine on my GTA02 A6 here before uploading that build. What kind of GTA02 is it? - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklKuEAACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqbSwCgjat1bOZBO5o+PMYtwv7yUWtw jfoAn2r/Nb+m6o/TbU3PVhdtVSB2kZyP =D7c4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth headset GUI configuration
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Simon Kagstrom simon.kagst...@gmail.com wrote: [...] So: Do any of the distributions allow easy use of bluetooth headsets? Are there active projects working on this? I'd be really interested in hearing reports about how well the Freerunner works in real life with Bluetooth headsets with the various distributions. I was just thinking that it might be a way to circumvent the buzz low outgoing volume problems that's preventing me from using my Freerunner. /Erland ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Black SOD for a change
Andy Green wrote: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | I noticed a fresh kernel in your directory, so I flashed it. It seems | to resume, which is nice, but after suspending and resuming once, there | is noise on the screen, the bad TV antenna sort. Subsequent | suspends/resumes don't help. Rebooting helps. After you rebooted, is it doing that bad shimmering thing each resume? I did six resumes in a row fine on my GTA02 A6 here before uploading that build. What kind of GTA02 is it? -Andy I tried twice, and had it both times. I had some other issues with om, so I flashed back to shr. I've got A6 I believe, how to check that? -- Wyslij internetowa kartke z zyczeniami! Kliknij http://link.interia.pl/f1ff2 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions
I disagree - I've been a vocal proponent for many months of tidying up networking, including setting IP and subnet to something less likely to lead to conflicts. Yes, I agree that the vast majority of people using a FreeRunner as I type this are quite capable of performing the changes you mention in under 2 minutes, but I also believe that most would be quite happy if they were not required to do so every time they flash their FR. I personally use 192.168.0.202/30, with host machine (gateway from FR of course) set to .201, solely because that lets me set a static config on hosts to which I tether my FR and always reach even a fresh flashed image, with minimal disruption accessing other networks. (we have over 50 subnets at work, including 192.168.0.0/24, that I need to access 24/7) But I'd be wholeheartedly in support of a change to a less conflict-ridden subnet as the default, or at least a change of default to /30. We've not standardized on any set of IPs, and finally isn't even apropo since the 192.168.0.202/24 IP has been the de facto standard at least back to OM 2007.2. And whether I am alone in not being happy with it or not, I like to believe I know how to use my system, being a veteran linux network/server admin for a broadband provider. Taking a broader and longer view of things, the goal of Openmoko surely is a smartphone that can be sold to general consumers, not just linux hackers, and as such it's entirely sensible to establish defaults that will cause the least degree of inconvenience to owners as possible. (and in some opinions - including my own, after answering countless hundreds of phone calls from broadband users who don't even know what an IP address /IS/ - necessary) And the earlier that change is made the better for the long term: the more FreeRunners there are in the wild, the more people there are who will be affected at the point of changeover, and the more likely they are to be less linux-networking-savvy than the average community member today. I think an eventual goal may be to have a USB networking config GUI and include that in initial setup steps for new owners or following a complete reflash, but until then (and as default entry from that point onward) I agree with establishing a default USBnet config that is less likely to cause the user any extra effort. Make the default network config as maintenance-free and interference-free as possible, and any linux hackers who want it more convoluted can surely take the 60 seconds they'd need to complicate it. :) j On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:50:14 -0800, Sargun Dhillon xbmodder+openm...@gmail.com wrote: Most Linux users, or most users that this device is aimed at are intelligent enough to do a ip addr add 192.168.0.200/32 dev usb0 ip route add 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0 This will only make two addresses on your network inaccessible. Then you can SSH into it, and change the IP address. This takes a whole 5 minutes! It'll make you miserable to not have connectivity, I understand, but just handle it. We've finally standardized on a set of IPs, and -everyone- is happy with it, except a few individuals who don't know how to use their system. Please stop complaining. -Thanks On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Tilman Baumann til...@baumann.name wrote: One word. zeroconf Oh, it is two words zeroconf and bonjour www.zeroconf.org/ PS: As fallback for DHCP of course. Esben Stien wrote: Why on earth would you choose 192.168.0.*? This is probably the most common IP address on an internal network in the world and of course this means problems. If your network is configured with this IP range and you pop a freerunner in, it of course cause a world of pain. Please choose a more sensible default. -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Joel Newkirk http://jthinks.com (blog) http://newkirk.us/om (FR stuff) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Black SOD for a change
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Andy Green wrote: | Somebody in the thread at some point said: | | | I noticed a fresh kernel in your directory, so I flashed it. It seems | | to resume, which is nice, but after suspending and resuming once, there | | is noise on the screen, the bad TV antenna sort. Subsequent | | suspends/resumes don't help. Rebooting helps. | | After you rebooted, is it doing that bad shimmering thing each resume? | I did six resumes in a row fine on my GTA02 A6 here before uploading | that build. | | What kind of GTA02 is it? | | -Andy | I tried twice, and had it both times. I had some other issues with om, | so I flashed back to shr. I've got A6 I believe, how to check that? cat /proc/cpuinfo should mention Revision as 0x350 or 0x360 - A5 or A6. The 2.6.28 branch is running access to Glamo faster, I wonder if all the Glamos out there can take it. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklKzWoACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqBswCeOroW2ZzwMetFJIPZGddmFG4d EtoAnRv0aDj7yYEW4fiqcYPR63AFbgoL =pXEP -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:16:32 -0500 Joel Newkirk freerun...@newkirk.us wrote: I disagree - I've been a vocal proponent for many months of tidying up networking, including setting IP and subnet to something less likely to lead to conflicts. Yes, I agree that the vast majority of people using a FreeRunner as I type this are quite capable of performing the changes you mention in under 2 minutes, but I also believe that most would be quite happy if they were not required to do so every time they flash their FR. I personally use 192.168.0.202/30, with host machine (gateway from FR of course) set to .201, solely because that lets me set a static config on hosts to which I tether my FR and always reach even a fresh flashed image, with minimal disruption accessing other networks. (we have over 50 subnets at work, including 192.168.0.0/24, that I need to access 24/7) But I'd be wholeheartedly in support of a change to a less conflict-ridden subnet as the default, or at least a change of default to /30. We've not standardized on any set of IPs, and finally isn't even apropo since the 192.168.0.202/24 IP has been the de facto standard at least back to OM 2007.2. And whether I am alone in not being happy with it or not, I like to believe I know how to use my system, being a veteran linux network/server admin for a broadband provider. Taking a broader and longer view of things, the goal of Openmoko surely is a smartphone that can be sold to general consumers, not just linux hackers, and as such it's entirely sensible to establish defaults that will cause the least degree of inconvenience to owners as possible. (and in some opinions - including my own, after answering countless hundreds of phone calls from broadband users who don't even know what an IP address /IS/ - necessary) And the earlier that change is made the better for the long term: the more FreeRunners there are in the wild, the more people there are who will be affected at the point of changeover, and the more likely they are to be less linux-networking-savvy than the average community member today. I think an eventual goal may be to have a USB networking config GUI and include that in initial setup steps for new owners or following a complete reflash, but until then (and as default entry from that point onward) I agree with establishing a default USBnet config that is less likely to cause the user any extra effort. Make the default network config as maintenance-free and interference-free as possible, and any linux hackers who want it more convoluted can surely take the 60 seconds they'd need to complicate it. :) j I couldn't agree more. I have a D-Link at home, that uses by default 192.168/16 as network, so I have to change my freerunner as well after each reflash. And I'd like to believe I'm not the only one owning a small router (for those curious: my D-Link doesn't allow me to change my network range, so I need to change my freerunnner) On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:50:14 -0800, Sargun Dhillon xbmodder+openm...@gmail.com wrote: Most Linux users, or most users that this device is aimed at are intelligent enough to do a ip addr add 192.168.0.200/32 dev usb0 ip route add 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0 not quite complete ... you need to set IP forwarding on the linux box, change the netmask and the default route on FR and change the /etc/resolv.conf file as well, otherwise no opkg update or alike. I *know* people like free DNS servers, but most ISP's block access to any other dns server in the world but their own, so ... So I vote for a less used range as well. Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[debian] enlightenment has no png loader?
I noticed that there are now e17 packages in debian unstable, and that these include -dbg packages. Since my current e17 (from the enlightenment-all-in-one deb that someone put together) always SEGV's on startup, and since Raster has asked for backtrace with symbols when that happens, I thought I'd uninstall enlightenment-all-in-one and try the new Debian packages instead. But now, enlightenment_start bails with: ... ESTART: 1.49197 [0.75791] - test file format support Enlightenment Error Enlightenment found Evas can't load PNG files. Check Evas has PNG loader support. (full output attached). From googling, it looks like I'm missing a package with name like evas-loader-png, which doesn't appear to be available in Debian yet, and I guess I just need to wait a bit longer for the packages to get to that. Is that all correct? Or is there another problem / solution here? Thanks, Neil ESTART: 0.6 [0.6] - begin ESTART: 0.00159 [0.00154] - signals done ESTART: 0.02999 [0.02840] - determine prefix DYNAMIC DETERMINED PREFIX: /usr ESTART: 0.10471 [0.07471] - prefix done ESTART: 0.10595 [0.00124] - intl init ESTART: 0.10692 [0.00097] - parse args ESTART: 0.10719 [0.00027] - arg parse done ESTART: 0.11649 [0.00930] - ecore init ESTART: 0.13355 [0.01706] - ecore_file init ESTART: 0.13768 [0.00413] - more ecore ESTART: 0.13833 [0.00066] - x connect ESTART: 0.34600 [0.20766] - ecore_con ESTART: 0.34691 [0.00092] - xinerama E17 INIT: XINERAMA CHOSEN: [0], 480x640+0+0 ESTART: 0.38925 [0.04233] - x hints ESTART: 0.40133 [0.01208] - x hints done ESTART: 0.40160 [0.00027] - ecore_evas init ESTART: 0.43825 [0.03665] - test done ESTART: 0.43858 [0.00033] - efreet ESTART: 0.44503 [0.00645] - efreet done ESTART: 0.44539 [0.00036] - configure ESTART: 0.44690 [0.00150] - dirs ESTART: 0.46938 [0.02249] - filereg ESTART: 0.46972 [0.00033] - config ESTART: 0.56216 [0.09245] - scale ESTART: 0.56298 [0.00081] - pointer ESTART: 0.56335 [0.00038] - path ESTART: 0.56427 [0.00092] - ipc INFO: E_IPC_SOCKET=/tmp/enlightenment-root/disp-:0.0-1397 ESTART: 0.56917 [0.00490] - font ESTART: 0.57770 [0.00854] - theme ESTART: 0.72348 [0.14578] - splash RUN INIT: /usr/lib/enlightenment/enlightenment_init '/usr/share/enlightenment/data/init/default.edj' '1' '0' 'Enlightenment' '0.16.999.050' ESTART: 1.43218 [0.70870] - test file format support Enlightenment Error Enlightenment found Evas can't load PNG files. Check Evas has PNG loader support. E17: Begin shutdown procedure! Sending TERM signal to /usr/lib/enlightenment/enlightenment_init '/usr/share/enlightenment/data/init/default.edj' '1' '0' 'Enlightenment' '0.16.999.050' (1398). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:52:51 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:24:52 +0100 Michael Zanetti michael_zane...@gmx.net babbled: As It seems this thread is becoming more and more some sort of a whish-list, I will put my 2ct here also: - Please don't add a camera: Has ever anyone made a picture with a mobile phone camera that doesn't suck? Get a real camera if you want to make some nice pictures! There is just one way to get a useful camera within a mobile phone: Using very expensive optical lens and zooming technologies. But in that case, I'd prefer to use the money for a 3G modem which brings me to the next point in my whishlist. i have. and millions of japanese have. in japan the mobile is pretty much replacing the low-to-mid-end camera. for happy time snaps. why? their lenses and cameras are GOOD. 5+mpixel was available years ago. What kind of camera are these phones replacing? Credit-card sized cameras that indeed are as lousy as phone cameras are? Note that it isn't merely a question of megapixels. More pixels doesn't make the image better, if the sensor stays as small. Smaller pixels create lots of noise, and have no dynamic range. You could manufacture a 20 megapixel sensor small enough to go in a phone - no problem for the factory. It'd be useless though. i know. it's also a factor of lens - and they have been putting in higher-end lenses and sensors for a while now. they're far ahead of western phones. 3 years ago they had 5mpixel cameras on phones with good compact lenses (the kind you find on the more compact digi cams). things have been moving in leaps and bounds since then. but more to the point - travel around japan. watch people on holiday (the japanese) or watch them when they travel. guess what the camera of choice is that they pull out? not their nikon d80 or canon ixus or whatever. it's their phone. they are always taking tonnes of photos with their phones. it's probably the most used type of camera (if comparing against compact cams + dslr's) by quote a margin. and they are happy with it. the most high-tech phone market in the world (and i am going to stand by that) is happy with their phones as cameras - and these people guy new phones just because its new and has a bigger checklist of features than the previous one. they care about technology and they are happy with it. they happen to have the most advanced phones around (8 months+ ago i was walking through yodobashi looking at phones with 832x480 3 screens. already on sale. not just announced, but on shelves and being purchased - just as an example). It'd be nice if a camera is optional, at least. Some doesn't want to pay for it, some want to use the camera where cameras aren't allowed. And consider the market - this hacker's phone are for technically interested people, most of who get a decent camera if they want to take pictures. the problem is - if you make it optional it all becomes more expensive as you need to have multiple production lines and multiple case designs - in the end its CHEAPER to ship a camera for everyone. that's the reality of the embedded market. you could only combine removal of camera with removal of several other high-cost parts (eg go from 3g to 2g, remove wifi and gps) so the actual cost difference is signficant enough to service a market segment you otherwise would not have reached. but this now is a matter for the sales and marketing people to guess - does such a thing really net them more sales in the end. i can't say for cure - but i know the principles - i just lack the in-depth view of the market as a whole. And of course, a pop-out camera leaves room that can be used for something else. Such as room for several SD-cards, perhaps even that secondary SIM option. More SDcards is good - one for the OS and one that can be changed with the system running. (Or RAID, for the specially interested :-) Two SIMs are what business users want - one for private use and one for company use. moving parts == bad. prone to failure/break - even at production time as testing may say go but the part loosens during shipping as its intended to be loose/move. it's something makers like to avoid if they can. - 3G connectivity: Although it is very expensive, I think we _really_ need this one. I know so many people who would like to buy a Freerunner, but they don't do so because of the missing UMTS connectivity. Nice to have, and why so expensive? If the problem is small series, cooperate with some other phone manufacturer and have them resell a small portion of their large shipment of 3G chips. HAHAHAHAHA co-operate with a rival? let a rival help a competitor? hehehehe. giggle. - The rest could stay just as it is in GTA 02. Im perfectly happy with it. Perhaps the slow Glamo could be exchanged... But afaik this is done already... Yes, it is necessary to
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:08:09 +0100 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org babbled: i'm taking usage pattern into account - and when i'm @ wifi.. i also have a keyboard, screen and real machine to use... so if i want to check something/google for it or whatever - i use something more comfortable. when i'm walking down the street and go crap... what was X again? i forgot and i want to check... or i need a map of where i am and where i have to go... or need to check to see if the competitors store is selling for less... there is no wifi. there is no lan. there *IS* 3g - even at the beach. and the park. and pretty much everywhere i go 99% of the time... there is 3g. maybe 3g is just better serviced in a large city like sydney (4+million people spread over an area about 70kmx120km). but wifi is not an option at all here - never will be. all net connections have transfer quotas (unless you pay a small fortune for yours and then you'd be charging for access to cover the cost). no one opens up their wifi because they open up free access to a limited quota'd resource they pay for. and that won't improve - look at the usa - the ISPs are going in the direction of quotas too. 3g is quota'd too - but it works everywhere. and the quota is on the account i pay for. :) 2g is charged by the kb at insane rates. ($1.65/mb is three's going rate for 2g data - whereas their 3g data rates are more like $0.0068/mb. now you know why 3g is so important? 2g data is 241 TIMES more expensive than 3g. and three offer the best datarates in .au). I think this discussion does not get my original point, which does take the useage pattern into account. When I am at work, at University, at home, visiting friends, I always have an open WiFi. In most of these locations I also have HSDPA. At my parents, mother-in-law's location or in holidays in the mountains or at a nice beach there was always neither WIFI nor HSDPA and my Huawei did fall back to GPRS. That was slow but it works. At no extra cost. And no need to find a WLAN hotspot. So having GPRS is better than having nothing. And my UMTS contract at 20 EUR per month includes GPRS. I acknowledge that others have different useage patterns (urban areas walking/driving through the streets), but that is not my typical pattern. And I agree that having UMTS with auto-fallback to GPRS is easier to use than switching between GPRS and WIFI. But when I have to live with GPRS in rural areas anyway, why not also at urban ones until cheap 3G modules become available for a GTA04. Therefore I came to the conclusion that it is not mandatory for me but a nice to have. Coming to cost, the pattern is: Network Speed Cost --- --- open WiFi fastfree paid WiFi fastquite expensive (20 EUR / 24h) UMTS fastmy 20 EUR flat rate GPRS slowincluded in my 20 EUR UMTS flat rate So the result is that I will no longer use the paid WiFi services because they are too expensive compared to using fallback GPRS. Nikolaus Am 18.12.2008 um 14:48 schrieb Steven Le Roux: more than 10 000 wifi access points. less than 1% opened, less than 0,4% opened by acknwoledgement ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
2008/12/18 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com: On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:08:09 +0100 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org babbled: i'm taking usage pattern into account - and when i'm @ wifi.. i also have a keyboard, screen and real machine to use... so if i want to check something/google for it or whatever - i use something more comfortable. when i'm walking down the street and go crap... what was X again? i forgot and i want to check... or i need a map of where i am and where i have to go... or need to check to see if the competitors store is selling for less... there is no wifi. there is no lan. there *IS* 3g - even at the beach. and the park. and pretty much everywhere i go 99% of the time... there is 3g. This is exactly what I wanted to write but wasted a billion words failing to, thank you Raster! That's why 3G is important! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
