Re: Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...

2008-12-19 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com writes:
 extrapolating this point further, would it be possible to (manually)
 install apt and related tools to an om2008.9 system, and get access to
 the debian archives directly?

Chroot is the easiest way to do that. Surely it will waste extra 200M
of space but SD cards are cheap.


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Re: OpenMooCow 0.3

2008-12-19 Thread Petr Vanek

Works fine on SHR, just one thing I have to change the .desktop and
add a category (for example Applications), in order to have the
shortcut displayed.

my SHR doesn't play the sound... am i missing something?

r...@om-gta02 /usr/share/applications $ openmoocow 
Neo Freerunner detected
Old threshold was 0
Successfully disabled accelerometer threshold.
Unable to open audio: No available audio device
Trying to open the audio again...
Unable to open audio: No available audio device
Trying to open the audio again...
Unable to open audio: No available audio device
Trying to open the audio again...
Unable to open audio: No available audio device


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Re: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread Yogiz
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:56:20 -0800 (PST)
abatrour abatr...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 Just noticed on the server. I'm going to try it out right now.
 
 http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.12/

Good news. I'll still wait for the announcement and for some feedback
before I roll it on. I've spent too much time customizing my 2008.9 to
mess with it.

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Re: [2008.testing] Re: alsa problem after resume

2008-12-19 Thread William Kenworthy
I think its still a problem - what happens if a call comes in?

BillK

On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 18:57 +0100, Fox Mulder wrote:
 Try to just stop the speech-dispatcher service running all the time and
 just start/end it with navit. This should also solve the problem but you
 still got text2speech capabilities. :)
 
 Ciao,
  Rainer
 
 W.Kenworthy wrote:
  Solution: removed speech dispatcher from running and rebooted.  
  
  Will look further, but it seems it was installed with navit - which I
  have not used so far.
  
  BillK
  
  * early sign of madness - replying to ones own posts - multiple times
  for this one so ...
  
  On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 15:21 +0900, W.Kenworthy wrote:
  Should have added - using 2008.testing, and it used to work.  Stopped at
  some point after installs and upgrades, dont know when :(
 
  BillK
 
 
  On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 14:54 +0900, W.Kenworthy wrote:
  Any ideas on this:
 
  Forced audio codec: mad
  Opening audio decoder: [libmad] libmad mpeg audio decoder
  AUDIO: 16000 Hz, 1 ch, s16le, 16.0 kbit/6.25% (ratio: 2000-32000)
  Selected audio codec: [mad] afm: libmad (libMAD MPEG layer 1-2-3)
  ==
  [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or
  resource busy
  [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or
  resource busy
  AO: [alsa] 48000Hz 1ch s16le (2 bytes per sample)
  Video: no video
  Starting playback...
  [AO_ALSA] Pcm in suspend mode, trying to resume.
  A:   0.0 (00.0) of 177.0 (02:57.0) ??,?% 
 
  Before suspending, everything is fine.
  Afterward resume, mplayer gives this error, I have no received audio in
  phonecalls, or ring tone, or sms beeps.  No audio until reboot in fact.
 
  Any ideas?
  BillK
 
 
 
 
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Re: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread Xavier Bestel
Hi,

On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 10:22 +0200, Yogiz wrote:
 On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:56:20 -0800 (PST)
 abatrour abatr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
  Just noticed on the server. I'm going to try it out right now.
  
  http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.12/
 
 Good news. I'll still wait for the announcement and for some feedback
 before I roll it on. I've spent too much time customizing my 2008.9 to
 mess with it.

Can someone tell me if it's a recent kernel, or still 2.6.24 ?

Thanks,
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Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-19 Thread Michael Zanetti
On Friday 19 December 2008 02:10:59 W.Kenworthy wrote:

 Actually, please add a camera.  Many techos (that is those who work in
 technical areas) use the mobile phone camera in their work.  I.e.,
 photos of situations, faults etc for reference/passing on to support
 etc.  Only one device to carry, and its always with you.  Yes early ones
 were barely adequate (I used a Palm treo for this), but others moved
 onto nokias etc when they came with better cameras.


The other side: Many techos (especially those working in automotive branch) 
are not even allowed to use mobile phones with cameras at work...

I know... In the end it is a personal preference... But I still stand on my 
opinion that the camera is the last important thing that we need. When we have 
3G connectivity I will stop ranting against cameras :)

 And how many controversial situations hit the news where a mobile phone
 camera was used as its on the spot and available?

Again... personal preferences... But I really hate such stories where some 
low-end-prominence got captured in somewhat not situation by some idiot with 
his mobile phone camera where you can hardly think of what it should be 
because the picture is totally underexposed... It really makes me sick that 
people don't have better things to do...



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Re: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2008/12/19 Xavier Bestel xavier.bes...@free.fr:
 Can someone tell me if it's a recent kernel, or still 2.6.24 ?

It should be 2.6.24 still. Surprisingly though, the last time I used
daily testing I had no problems with suspend. 2.6.28 would be nicer,
but the user space hasn't been adapted to it (would require changes to
qtopia and elsewhere to take into account the new /sys paths).

That said I'm using daily testing + 2.6.28 andy-tracking kernel and
I've a modified mokoservices.py to take care of the new /sys paths
when enabling/disabling components etc.

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RE: Navit add destination

2008-12-19 Thread KaZeR
 

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 Envoyé : jeudi 18 décembre 2008 20:58
 À : community@lists.openmoko.org
 Objet : Re: Navit add destination
 
 On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:13:07 +
 Samuel Pereira em...@samuelpereira.net (SP) wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Can you add any destination on navit?
 
 Thanks,
 Samuel
 
 
 With the new version: click anywhere you want to go to on the 
 map, this will bring up menu, choose Actions and then you 
 will see the coordinates of the selected point. Click on it 
 and choose from: Set as destination, Set as position, Add as 
 bookmark, POIs (you can also see the name of the street or of 
 the selected element). You want to choose Set as destination.
 


If you have searchable OSM maps, or MG maps, you can also :
- touch scren
- touch action
- touch town
Now you are able to search for a town.
You should have the country flag in the upper left corner. If you have a
cross (meaning your country isn't auto-detected) or if you have the wrong
country, touch the flag and you'll be able to search for a country.

Once you have a town, touching it will bring a submenu (destination, view on
map, search street).
If you touch the green tick on the upper right corner, it will bring you
directly to the street search.

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Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-19 Thread Andy Green
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| Lets add another information layer to open street map, containing
| discovered or already-tried-but-failed wpa-keys. Then each gta03
| synchronize with the current state of your home town and start trying
| some new keys in the neighbourhood as we walk around.

That's quite terrifying new take on distributed attack :-O

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RE: OpenMooCow 0.3

2008-12-19 Thread KaZeR
 

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 Envoyé : vendredi 19 décembre 2008 09:19
 À : community@lists.openmoko.org
 Objet : Re: OpenMooCow 0.3
 
 
 Works fine on SHR, just one thing I have to change the 
 .desktop and add 
 a category (for example Applications), in order to have 
 the shortcut 
 displayed.
 
 my SHR doesn't play the sound... am i missing something?
 
 r...@om-gta02 /usr/share/applications $ openmoocow Neo 
 Freerunner detected Old threshold was 0 Successfully disabled 
 accelerometer threshold.
 Unable to open audio: No available audio device Trying to 
 open the audio again...
 Unable to open audio: No available audio device Trying to 
 open the audio again...
 Unable to open audio: No available audio device Trying to 
 open the audio again...
 Unable to open audio: No available audio device
 
 
I had the exact same issue last week (haven't tried again since, and i'm
currently flashing 2008.12)


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Re: Wifi - wep or wpa enabled

2008-12-19 Thread Xavier Bestel
Hi Rodney,

On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 21:58 -0800, Rodney Myers wrote:
 Default install.
 
 Does the wifi work only with wpa? or does it also work with wep?
 
 My internal wifi is wep enabled only, and  I cannot get the phone to  
 recognize the key.

In my experience none of the GUI tools work with WEP, but using a
terminal you can manage to make the FR sort-of work, i.e. it sometimes
connects to a WEP network for a short while.
Apparently with latest kernels this is fixed (the driver side, not the
UI side), I've had better experience with Andy's tracking kernel.

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RE: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread KaZeR
 

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 Objet : Re: New 2008.12 Release
 
 On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:56:20 -0800 (PST) abatrour 
 abatr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
  Just noticed on the server. I'm going to try it out right now.
  
  http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.12/
 
 Good news. I'll still wait for the announcement and for some 
 feedback before I roll it on. I've spent too much time 
 customizing my 2008.9 to mess with it.
 
I've received the official announcement around 30 minutes ago.


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Re: Acustic 'empty battery warning' ?

2008-12-19 Thread Petr Vanek
With an FSO based system you could do this easily with help of oevents.
In the file /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml exists two entries
for actions to be taken when the battery is nearly empty. You could
easily edit these entries and do LED actions or play some sound files.
The relevant entries are these:

while: PowerStatus()
filters: HasAttr(status, critical)
actions: SetLed(gta02_power_orange, blink)

trigger: PowerStatus()
filters: HasAttr(status, empty)
actions: Command('poweroff')


Where could i learn more about actions? I can imagine i could disable
suspend/blackout by it while PowerStatus would be charging.

Thank you

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Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-19 Thread Neil Jerram
2008/12/19 Andreas Pokorny andreas.poko...@gmail.com:

 Lets add another information layer to open street map, containing
 discovered or already-tried-but-failed wpa-keys. Then each gta03
 synchronize with the current state of your home town and start trying
 some new keys in the neighbourhood as we walk around.

-1

(I don't think this list should appear to condone illegal and/or
immoral activity!)

   Neil

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read-only?!?

2008-12-19 Thread Vinzenz Hersche
Hello there,

i don't know, what's wrong, but i had just in the beginning some
failures like

tar: cannot create directory 'device/bus': Read-only file system

this is created for every folder; input, bus etc.. so it's normal that
the system couldn't start. but why it is a read only file system? i
maked from my other system to the memorycard a mkfs.ext3 . ext3 isn't
read only i think?

hope, someone could help me..

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Re: Wifi - wep or wpa enabled

2008-12-19 Thread ant
On Friday 19 December 2008 05:58:06 Rodney Myers wrote:
 Default install.

 Does the wifi work only with wpa? or does it also work with wep?

 My internal wifi is wep enabled only, and  I cannot get the phone to
 recognize the key.

Way back when I first got my phone, on the factory install, I managed to get 
it to talk WEP (using iwconfig etc at the command line). It was a bit flaky - 
eg you had to set things in a certain order and sometimes you had to wait a 
couple of minutes if you put the key in wrong. So /theoretically/ it can be 
made to work. Having said that, I've not got it to work on 2008.x or FSO 
recently (not even with wpa_supplicant) , and have more or less given up; if 
I'm out of the house/office wifi ain't gonna be helpful to me, and in the 
house/office I'm never 10ft away from a running linux box with USB.

There's still a few of us about stuck with WEP - yes I know it's breakable but 
on the other hand getting WPA working means me buying a) new laptop b) new 
wireless router c) new wireless bridge.

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Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-19 Thread Andreas Pokorny
Hello,

2008/12/19 Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com:
 2008/12/19 Andreas Pokorny andreas.poko...@gmail.com:

 Lets add another information layer to open street map, containing
 discovered or already-tried-but-failed wpa-keys. Then each gta03
 synchronize with the current state of your home town and start trying
 some new keys in the neighbourhood as we walk around.

 -1

 (I don't think this list should appear to condone illegal and/or
 immoral activity!)

This is of course just a theoretical idea. Thank god, for this to be a
real danger for us, a lot of people have to do that. Anyhow as a owner
of private wlan router, I already started to change my keys more often
these days.

kind regards,
Andreas Pokorny

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Re: [FSO] How to make a beep in C++/Qt

2008-12-19 Thread Michael Tansella
Am Freitag, 19. Dezember 2008 00:51:55 schrieb Michael 'Mickey' Lauer:
 Beep-commands only work on terminals that support this feature.

Ok then I don't need to play around with my audio settings.

Then I will let DBUS do the work for me.
Thanks.
Michael




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Re: read-only?!?

2008-12-19 Thread Andy Green
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Hello there,
|
| i don't know, what's wrong, but i had just in the beginning some
| failures like
|
| tar: cannot create directory 'device/bus': Read-only file system
|
| this is created for every folder; input, bus etc.. so it's normal that
| the system couldn't start. but why it is a read only file system? i
| maked from my other system to the memorycard a mkfs.ext3 . ext3 isn't
| read only i think?

If this is on a host with uSD - full size SD adapter, these adapters
have a little slider that can be used to disable writes to the SD Card,
they are easy to knock.

Also if your filesystem is corrupted it can decide to fail gracefully by
becoming read-only.

But I have managed to knock that little slider so many times I used some
pliers to pinch the plastic so it can no longer move.

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Re: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread Yogiz

  Good news. I'll still wait for the announcement and for some 
  feedback before I roll it on. I've spent too much time 
  customizing my 2008.9 to mess with it.
  
 I've received the official announcement around 30 minutes ago.
In this list or where?

Could someone point out the biggest changes?

Yogiz

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Re: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread Robin Paulson
2008/12/19 Timo Jyrinki timo.jyri...@gmail.com:
 but the user space hasn't been adapted to it (would require changes to
 qtopia and elsewhere to take into account the new /sys paths).

 That said I'm using daily testing + 2.6.28 andy-tracking kernel and
 I've a modified mokoservices.py to take care of the new /sys paths
 when enabling/disabling components etc.

what specifically relating to the freerunner hardware has changed; is
there any documentation anywhere?

is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs up to date?

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Re: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:25:19PM +0200, Yogiz wrote:
 
   Good news. I'll still wait for the announcement and for some 
   feedback before I roll it on. I've spent too much time 
   customizing my 2008.9 to mess with it.
   
  I've received the official announcement around 30 minutes ago.
 In this list or where?
 
 Could someone point out the biggest changes?

OpenMoko announce list.

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2008-December/28.html

Rui

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Re: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread Martino
Her the change log:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.12_Update

2008/12/19 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org:
 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:25:19PM +0200, Yogiz wrote:

   Good news. I'll still wait for the announcement and for some
   feedback before I roll it on. I've spent too much time
   customizing my 2008.9 to mess with it.
  
  I've received the official announcement around 30 minutes ago.
 In this list or where?

 Could someone point out the biggest changes?

 OpenMoko announce list.

 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2008-December/28.html

 Rui

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Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-19 Thread Helge Hafting
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
 On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:52:51 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no
 babbled:

 
 but more to the point - travel around japan. watch people on holiday (the
 japanese) or watch them when they travel. guess what the camera of choice is
 that they pull out? not their nikon d80 or canon ixus or whatever. it's their
 phone. they are always taking tonnes of photos with their phones. it's 
 probably
 the most used type of camera (if comparing against compact cams + dslr's) by
 quote a margin. and they are happy with it.
 
Making a good small lens is not a problem, a good small sensor is. 
Japanese tourists may be satisfied, but perhaps they just aren't that 
good photographers. Small-sensor images can be reasonable under ideal 
lighting conditions, but hopeless for most other cases. But then, 
tourists go where the sun is.

 the problem is - if you make it optional it all becomes more expensive as you
 need to have multiple production lines and multiple case designs - in the end
 its CHEAPER to ship a camera for everyone. that's the reality of the embedded
 market.

I see. Well, you can have the same case and just provide a lid for the
camera-shaped hole. If camera for all really is cheaper, consider
putting it on a plug. Users who really don't want (or aren't allowed) a
camera can then remove it themselves without de-soldering or breaking
warranty.

 And of course, a pop-out camera leaves room that can be used for
 something else. Such as room for several SD-cards, perhaps even that
 secondary SIM option. More SDcards is good - one for the OS and one
 that can be changed with the system running. (Or RAID, for the specially 
 interested :-) Two SIMs are what business users want - one for
 private use and one for company use.
 
 moving parts == bad. prone to failure/break - even at production time as
 testing may say go but the part loosens during shipping as its intended to 
 be
 loose/move. it's something makers like to avoid if they can.

Something pluggable isn't that bad - we have plugs for USB and
headset anyway. :-) Perhaps a modular phone is too expensive, it'd still 
be nice with a slot for an extra card. No moving parts, just a slot 
similiar to a cheap card reader. And accessible without removing the
battery, so a reboot won't be needed. There are other phones with
such a slot, it sure isn't impossible.

High-speed USB and a fast interface to the card would come in
useful too - the phone used as a card
reader for the pc should match the speed of any other card reader. 
Software would launch quicker too.

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RE: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread KaZeR
 

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 Envoyé : vendredi 19 décembre 2008 11:25
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 Objet : Re: New 2008.12 Release
 
 
   Good news. I'll still wait for the announcement and for some 
   feedback before I roll it on. I've spent too much time 
 customizing 
   my 2008.9 to mess with it.
   
  I've received the official announcement around 30 minutes ago.
 In this list or where?
 
In fact i've also subscribed to annou...@lists.openmoko.org
I'm forwarding you the mail directly.

 Could someone point out the biggest changes?

Pro :
- OMG fast boot time (press power for 8 seconds (boring, why so long?),
start stopwatch at first line of text. Time to desktop : 38s!

Cons : 
- Didn't boot after flash. I made several tries, it was stuck at debugfs dir
creation failed. I had to aux+power, choose boot and it worked. Now it
works. (i'm using QI)
- Doesn't see my sdcard
- Phone goes to suspend even if you have usb connected. So, you loose the
network connection.

I'm sure i'll find more 'Pros' after more tests :)


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Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-19 Thread Helge Hafting
Joel Newkirk wrote:

 Unfortunately there are also those in technical areas who are prohibited
 from having a camera in the workplace.  There are other situations where
 it's prohibited (at least in my experience) like courthouses.  
 
 It's one of those pretty clear-cut you'll never please everyone
 situations.  Both wishes (with/without) are valid with good reasons behind
 them, but clearly a single device can't deliver both.  (without a removable
 cam, which would then be the pro/anti removable conflict ;)

Seems a camera will be ok with most people, as long as it doesn't drive
up the price too much. I'd rather have more/faster memory and flash for 
the money, but that's just me.

A modular camera may be too expensice, but how about a user removeable
one? Simplify production by having a more cumbersome camera removal
procedure, such as:

* remove the case completely (camera held in place by the case)
* carefully pull camera wiring out of internal connector(s)
   Hardware hackers might want to plug their own stuff in, a camera
   leaves behind a connection with nice bandwith. And it is documented...
* make a plug for the camera hole out of some flat material,
   a template can be downloaded from the website. Or make a custom case.
* put the case together without the camera component.

De-soldering should be avoided, it is too easy to wreck it all.

Helge Hafting

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Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-19 Thread Robin Paulson
2008/12/19 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no:
 Something pluggable isn't that bad - we have plugs for USB and
 headset anyway. :-) Perhaps a modular phone is too expensive, it'd still
 be nice with a slot for an extra card. No moving parts, just a slot
 similiar to a cheap card reader. And accessible without removing the
 battery, so a reboot won't be needed. There are other phones with
 such a slot, it sure isn't impossible.

 High-speed USB and a fast interface to the card would come in
 useful too - the phone used as a card
 reader for the pc should match the speed of any other card reader.
 Software would launch quicker too.

hmm, i was thinking of writing about how this would still add cost,
but sdio would be suitable, and it supports cameras

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Re: read-only?!?

2008-12-19 Thread Vinzenz Hersche
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Andy Green schrieb:
 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Hello there, | | i
 don't know, what's wrong, but i had just in the beginning some |
 failures like | | tar: cannot create directory 'device/bus':
 Read-only file system | | this is created for every folder; input,
 bus etc.. so it's normal that | the system couldn't start. but why
 it is a read only file system? i | maked from my other system to
 the memorycard a mkfs.ext3 . ext3 isn't | read only i think?

 If this is on a host with uSD - full size SD adapter, these
 adapters have a little slider that can be used to disable writes to
 the SD Card, they are easy to knock.

 Also if your filesystem is corrupted it can decide to fail
 gracefully by becoming read-only.

 But I have managed to knock that little slider so many times I used
 some pliers to pinch the plastic so it can no longer move.

 -Andy
it's a normal micro-sd in my moko, i didn't found a slider..

with my last system, it works (om 2008.9, your/andys kernel), but with
om 2008.12 it didn't.. i couldn't belive it that 2008.12 make the fs
corruptet, cuase the testing-version had the same problem. could it be
a hardware-failure of the sd-card? (also strange, cause it save
everything..)
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Re: Freerunner and video telephony?

2008-12-19 Thread Benjamin Schmidt
joa...@verona.se wrote:
 The next quarter I have use for a simple mobile video application.
 Ideally it should be a sip client running on the Freerunner with a
 webcam. (The Freerunner will also control some servos via usb)
 
 What image size and framerate can I expect?
 The video quality sent from the freerunner is more important than the
 video quality displayed on the freerunner screen. Voice quality is more
 important than video.
 
 Data transfer would happen over wifi.
 
 

It seems so that nobody tried this before. I only heard some time ago 
that watching some MPEG movie does work nicely.

Still you have to try it out. Best would be if you use an SIP client 
like ekiga, which is already available for arm processors.

For another SIP client which is maybe cool, but has to be compiled first 
for arm.
http://www.minisip.org/

Let us know your experiences.

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Re: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread Antony King
On Friday 19 December 2008 07:56:20 abatrour wrote:
 Just noticed on the server. I'm going to try it out right now.

 http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.12/

I've copied those files to our UK mirror here:

http://openmoko.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=Mirrors

Openmoko haven't supplied MD5s for the images; here's what I make them:

4ade0b3d3210ec9e9bf34bc694f0dd47  gta01bv4-lowlevel.bin
e9cc57e863b63abfd593f97b19801b34  gta01bv4-u-boot.bin
1f200d7123a26e16ff0415f59695dfe3  gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin
7f2f26e53fc787450f84286d9f0726cf  gta02v5-lowlevel.bin
a1ba1806ced7b6b7791802d654514ce8  Om2008.12-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
48dc258d9e342fc8b2453457b7179907  Om2008.12-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz
6b1e33f3e83034613d33a1a3583bdac4  Om2008.12-om-gta02.uImage.bin

If anyone from OM or elsewhere sees any different to those, please let us 
know !

Antony.

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Re: [Android] Can't boot from current git

2008-12-19 Thread Radek Polak

 Try editing platform/vendor/neo/BoardConfig.mk and changing the line
 BUILD_WITHOUT_PV := true
 to
 BUILD_WITHOUT_PV := false

 That fixed it for me.

 Jim
   
Yes, this helped me too. Thanks!

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Re: read-only?!?

2008-12-19 Thread Andy Green
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Andy Green schrieb:
| Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Hello there, | | i
| don't know, what's wrong, but i had just in the beginning some |
| failures like | | tar: cannot create directory 'device/bus':
| Read-only file system | | this is created for every folder; input,
| bus etc.. so it's normal that | the system couldn't start. but why
| it is a read only file system? i | maked from my other system to
| the memorycard a mkfs.ext3 . ext3 isn't | read only i think?
|
| If this is on a host with uSD - full size SD adapter, these
| adapters have a little slider that can be used to disable writes to
| the SD Card, they are easy to knock.
|
| Also if your filesystem is corrupted it can decide to fail
| gracefully by becoming read-only.
|
| But I have managed to knock that little slider so many times I used
| some pliers to pinch the plastic so it can no longer move.
|
| -Andy
| it's a normal micro-sd in my moko, i didn't found a slider..
|
| with my last system, it works (om 2008.9, your/andys kernel), but with
| om 2008.12 it didn't.. i couldn't belive it that 2008.12 make the fs

Aah didn't I read that this new rootfs does not remount / -orw... as a
workaround you aren't meant to use ro on the kernel commandline...
that'll be it then.

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Re: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread Robin Paulson
2008/12/19 Antony King a...@truebox.co.uk:
 http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.12/

 I've copied those files to our UK mirror here:

 http://openmoko.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=Mirrors

 Openmoko haven't supplied MD5s for the images; here's what I make them:

 4ade0b3d3210ec9e9bf34bc694f0dd47  gta01bv4-lowlevel.bin
 e9cc57e863b63abfd593f97b19801b34  gta01bv4-u-boot.bin
 1f200d7123a26e16ff0415f59695dfe3  gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin

i wish om would print the version of u-boot on the downloads page -
can anyone here report what it is? is it a new version, or just a
re-build of an existing version?

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Re: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread Vasco Névoa
That's strange, I didn't get the announce mail...

Citando Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org:

 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:25:19PM +0200, Yogiz wrote:

   Good news. I'll still wait for the announcement and for some
   feedback before I roll it on. I've spent too much time
   customizing my 2008.9 to mess with it.
  
  I've received the official announcement around 30 minutes ago.
 In this list or where?

 Could someone point out the biggest changes?

 OpenMoko announce list.

 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2008-December/28.html

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2008.12 illume theme

2008-12-19 Thread Ole Kliemann
If I change /etc/enlightenment/default_profile to use the illume theme
instead of ASU, enlightenment segfaults only seconds after displaying
the pin dialog.

But I don't know if this way changing profiles is even supposed to work.

Ole


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Re: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread Andy Green
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| Cons :
| - Didn't boot after flash. I made several tries, it was stuck at
debugfs dir
| creation failed. I had to aux+power, choose boot and it worked. Now it
| works. (i'm using QI)

My guess is this might be the ro business, Qi has ro in the kernel
commandline but this update apparently does not remount rw.

| - Doesn't see my sdcard

Hmm is the /dev/mmcblk0p1 etc there through?

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RE: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread Vasco Névoa
Citando KaZeR ka...@altern.org:
 Pro :
 - OMG fast boot time (press power for 8 seconds (boring, why so long?),
 start stopwatch at first line of text. Time to desktop : 38s!
Strange, I have an OM2008.9 fully updated with testing and my bootup  
time is 30 seconds more than that... anyone can explain this?

 - Phone goes to suspend even if you have usb connected. So, you loose the
 network connection.
But that has always been like that, right?

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Re: 2008.12 illume theme

2008-12-19 Thread Samuel Pereira
Hi,

You must go to illume config, select engine and change software_16 to  
software.

Samuel



 If I change /etc/enlightenment/default_profile to use the illume theme
 instead of ASU, enlightenment segfaults only seconds after displaying
 the pin dialog.

 But I don't know if this way changing profiles is even supposed to work.

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Re: 2008.12 illume theme

2008-12-19 Thread Benedikt Schindler
you have to change the Engine in the enlightenment config from 
SOFTWARE_16 to SOFTWARE. Then the Illume theme should work.

... yes, you maybe need some trys to get there without a segfault :) 

Ole Kliemann schrieb:

 If I change /etc/enlightenment/default_profile to use the illume theme
 instead of ASU, enlightenment segfaults only seconds after displaying
 the pin dialog.

 But I don't know if this way changing profiles is even supposed to work.

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[SHR] change ringtones

2008-12-19 Thread Giorgio Marci
In SHR testing i've changed the profile by adding a new one and setting
into that file the ringtone and messagetone, but it doesn't work! i've
restarted the phone ma still no sound!

Does someone could help me?

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Re: Acustic 'empty battery warning' ?

2008-12-19 Thread Fox Mulder
Petr Vanek wrote:
 With an FSO based system you could do this easily with help of oevents.
 In the file /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml exists two entries
 for actions to be taken when the battery is nearly empty. You could
 easily edit these entries and do LED actions or play some sound files.
 The relevant entries are these:

while: PowerStatus()
filters: HasAttr(status, critical)
actions: SetLed(gta02_power_orange, blink)

trigger: PowerStatus()
filters: HasAttr(status, empty)
actions: Command('poweroff')
 
 
 Where could i learn more about actions? I can imagine i could disable
 suspend/blackout by it while PowerStatus would be charging.

Good question.
I also don't know where to get all possible Attributes and Actions. At
the moment my modifications are based on intuition and tryerror. But i
would appreciate if anyone knows an url with all the needed information
what is possible. :)

Ciao,
 Rainer

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[SHR] gpsdrive

2008-12-19 Thread Fragggy

Hallo,
I'm trying to install gpsdrive on SHR Tsting. 
First I downloaded gpsdrive from here:
http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/gpsdrive*

But installing fails with this message: 

r...@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install gpsdrive_2.10pre4-r2_armv4t.opk
Installing gpsdrive (2.10pre4-r2) to root...
Multiple replacers for gpsd, using first one (fso-gpsd)
Collected errors:
 * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gpsdrive:
 *  libwww-perl *  gtk+ (= 2.12.11) *  libpcre0 (= 7.6) *

Is there any chance to match the requirements without convertig the phone
into a brick? 
I'm realy happy with SHR at the moment, but having gpsdrive would make it
complet. 

Regards
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RE: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread Giorgio Marci
 This new distribution is pretty usable but i have a problem. I want to
use the qtopia light and power for managing the power.

I've installed the package, started the application from shell but it
doesn't work! it can't manage the power, if i change some value light
brithness or suspend time..all remains the same! how can i fix?

have i to change some configuration file to tell the OM to use the qtopia
power management?

thanks a lot

  - Original Message -
  From: Vasco Névoa
  To: community@lists.openmoko.org
  Subject: RE: New 2008.12 Release
  Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:09:42 +


  Citando KaZeR :
   Pro :
   - OMG fast boot time (press power for 8 seconds (boring, why so
  long?),
   start stopwatch at first line of text. Time to desktop : 38s!
  Strange, I have an OM2008.9 fully updated with testing and my
  bootup
  time is 30 seconds more than that... anyone can explain this?

   - Phone goes to suspend even if you have usb connected. So, you
  loose the
   network connection.
  But that has always been like that, right?

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[Debian] Wlan and suspend/resume

2008-12-19 Thread Fox Mulder
I build a little script which logs important status information to a
text file immediatly before i suspend and after i resume. I wrote it to
have some information about how much capacity of the battery is drained
while in suspend. Therefore i log the current capacity of the battery
(in %) and which hardware modules are switched on/off (gsm, gps,
bluetooth, wlan).

I read the state of all modules from sysfs.
BAT_STATUS=/sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat/capacity
GSM_STATUS=/sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on
GPS_STATUS=/sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron
BT_STATUS=/sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on

The output of my script looks like this:
2008-12-18_14:13:20 suspend: bat=94 gsm=1 wlan=? gps=0 bt=0
2008-12-18_19:15:45 resume: bat=88 gsm=1 wlan=? gps=0 bt=0
2008-12-19_01:33:00 suspend: bat=72 gsm=0 wlan=? gps=0 bt=0
2008-12-19_11:11:57 resume: bat=24 gsm=0 wlan=? gps=0 bt=0

My problem now is, that i can't find any suitable file for wlan. I only
want to know if wlan is fully activated or deactivated/suspended in
respect to power consumption.
If there is more than one power state for the wlan module i want to log
the exact state instead of 0/1, but where to get it?

And another problem i have is that after the last ~10 hour
suspend/resume cycle the process events/0 consumes ~25% cpu power
constantly. I don't know what to do against this problem and at last i
had to reboot to get it back to normal.

Ciao,
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RE: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread KaZeR
 

 -Message d'origine-
 Strange, I have an OM2008.9 fully updated with testing and 
 my bootup time is 30 seconds more than that... anyone can 
 explain this?
I have double checked: 39s 
Note that i'm talking of time to destktop, at that point for example gsm
hasn't registered to network.
It's the faster i have seen on FR currently.
Maybe it's partly because (thanks to ;) ) QI?

Yesterday's FSO M4 was awfully slow to boot, something like 150s iirc..

 
  - Phone goes to suspend even if you have usb connected. So, 
 you loose 
  the network connection.
 But that has always been like that, right?

Possible, i haven't used OM that much, for various reasons.
In other distros this behavior is different, and i personnaly find it more
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Re: [debian] enlightenment has no png loader?

2008-12-19 Thread Marcel
Am Thursday 18 December 2008 23:44:57 schrieb Neil Jerram:
 I noticed that there are now e17 packages in debian unstable, and that
 these include -dbg packages.  Since my current e17 (from the
 enlightenment-all-in-one deb that someone put together) always SEGV's
 on startup, and since Raster has asked for backtrace with symbols when
 that happens, I thought I'd uninstall enlightenment-all-in-one and try
 the new Debian packages instead.

 But now, enlightenment_start bails with:

 ...
 ESTART: 1.49197 [0.75791] - test file format support
  Enlightenment Error 
 Enlightenment found Evas can't load PNG files. Check Evas has PNG
 loader support.

 (full output attached).

 From googling, it looks like I'm missing a package with name like
 evas-loader-png, which doesn't appear to be available in Debian yet,
 and I guess I just need to wait a bit longer for the packages to get
 to that.

 Is that all correct?  Or is there another problem / solution here?

 Thanks,
   Neil

I have installed e17 completely from experimental, I suggest installing it 
completely from there - theres no evas-loader-* or evas-saver-* package at 
all on my system. E17 itself runs (great performance although in software 
mode, holy raster!), but the taskbar (or whatever it's called in e) doesn't 
show open windows... There were some other things I noticed, but don't 
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Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-19 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:44:22 + Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com
babbled:

 2008/12/19 Andreas Pokorny andreas.poko...@gmail.com:
 
  Lets add another information layer to open street map, containing
  discovered or already-tried-but-failed wpa-keys. Then each gta03
  synchronize with the current state of your home town and start trying
  some new keys in the neighbourhood as we walk around.
 
 -1
 
 (I don't think this list should appear to condone illegal and/or
 immoral activity!)

agreed. it's irresponsible to even suggest the idea. it shows also no respect
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RE: [SHR] gpsdrive

2008-12-19 Thread KaZeR
 

 -Message d'origine-
 Hallo,
 I'm trying to install gpsdrive on SHR Tsting. 
 First I downloaded gpsdrive from here:
 http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/gpsdrive*
 
 But installing fails with this message: 
 
 r...@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install 
 gpsdrive_2.10pre4-r2_armv4t.opk Installing gpsdrive 
 (2.10pre4-r2) to root...
 Multiple replacers for gpsd, using first one (fso-gpsd) 
 Collected errors:
  * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gpsdrive:
  *  libwww-perl *  gtk+ (= 2.12.11) *  libpcre0 (= 7.6) *
 
 Is there any chance to match the requirements without 
 convertig the phone into a brick? 
 I'm realy happy with SHR at the moment, but having gpsdrive 
 would make it complet. 
 
Hi Dennis.

First, don't worry, you won't brick your phone with packages.
Then, i might slip off topic one more time, but have you tried navit? (i'm
talking of at least 0.1.0, or, better, svn)
It has less dependencies, and afaik there are quite a few users using it on
FR.
What specific feature of gpsdrive are you interested in? 

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Re: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-19 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2008/12/19 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com:
 what specifically relating to the freerunner hardware has changed; is
 there any documentation anywhere?

 is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs up to date?

No it's not up-to-date. Note that of course it's up to date regarding
2008.12 release which still has 2.6.24 kernel, but the 2.6.28 has a
lot/most paths in different form.

I now put a note about that there.

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Re: Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...

2008-12-19 Thread john dowd
Thanks for the response guys, I appreciate the help.

I was able to get the linphone application installed manually (package
by package) onto the Neo. It even works to a point. I've only managed
to get the command line version to work. So (this is funny), in order
to place a SIP phone call from my Neo, I have to ssh into it from my
laptop and then using the command line linphonec application, I can
then actually register with the PBX and place a call. As a demo, this
is really going to suck.

I can't seem to configure the GUI version to use the appropriate
settings to register with the PBX. I'll have a look at the source code
(if I can find it) and if it's a dead end, I'll pull apart the twinkle
debian package and try to install it. Any further advice would be
appreciated.

Cheers!!

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors
timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote:
 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com writes:
 extrapolating this point further, would it be possible to (manually)
 install apt and related tools to an om2008.9 system, and get access to
 the debian archives directly?

 Chroot is the easiest way to do that. Surely it will waste extra 200M
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Re: 2008.12 illume theme

2008-12-19 Thread Timo Jyrinki
 ... yes, you maybe need some trys to get there without a segfault :) 

I get the segfault directly at startup no matter how many times I try.
Is there any way to do the engine change somehow when the asu theme is
running or via ssh?

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Re: Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...

2008-12-19 Thread Al Johnson
The structure of the config files for the linphone CLI and GUI are the same, 
so you should be able to take the working one for the CLI and copy it over 
the GUI one. At the very least you should be able to copy the registration 
details from one and paste it into the other.

On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote:
 Thanks for the response guys, I appreciate the help.

 I was able to get the linphone application installed manually (package
 by package) onto the Neo. It even works to a point. I've only managed
 to get the command line version to work. So (this is funny), in order
 to place a SIP phone call from my Neo, I have to ssh into it from my
 laptop and then using the command line linphonec application, I can
 then actually register with the PBX and place a call. As a demo, this
 is really going to suck.

 I can't seem to configure the GUI version to use the appropriate
 settings to register with the PBX. I'll have a look at the source code
 (if I can find it) and if it's a dead end, I'll pull apart the twinkle
 debian package and try to install it. Any further advice would be
 appreciated.

 Cheers!!

 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors

 timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote:
  Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com writes:
  extrapolating this point further, would it be possible to (manually)
  install apt and related tools to an om2008.9 system, and get access to
  the debian archives directly?
 
  Chroot is the easiest way to do that. Surely it will waste extra 200M
  of space but SD cards are cheap.
 
 
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Re: Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...

2008-12-19 Thread john dowd
But where does it go? Right now, the linphone application is using the
username for the user account of the registration. In the
configuration files of the cli version its set correctly.

I tried to run strace on the GUI version to watch and see when it
tried to open a configuration file but no joy. Didn't seem to even
try.

Cheers!!

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Al Johnson
openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote:
 The structure of the config files for the linphone CLI and GUI are the same,
 so you should be able to take the working one for the CLI and copy it over
 the GUI one. At the very least you should be able to copy the registration
 details from one and paste it into the other.

 On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote:
 Thanks for the response guys, I appreciate the help.

 I was able to get the linphone application installed manually (package
 by package) onto the Neo. It even works to a point. I've only managed
 to get the command line version to work. So (this is funny), in order
 to place a SIP phone call from my Neo, I have to ssh into it from my
 laptop and then using the command line linphonec application, I can
 then actually register with the PBX and place a call. As a demo, this
 is really going to suck.

 I can't seem to configure the GUI version to use the appropriate
 settings to register with the PBX. I'll have a look at the source code
 (if I can find it) and if it's a dead end, I'll pull apart the twinkle
 debian package and try to install it. Any further advice would be
 appreciated.

 Cheers!!

 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors

 timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote:
  Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com writes:
  extrapolating this point further, would it be possible to (manually)
  install apt and related tools to an om2008.9 system, and get access to
  the debian archives directly?
 
  Chroot is the easiest way to do that. Surely it will waste extra 200M
  of space but SD cards are cheap.
 
 
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Re: 2008.12 illume theme

2008-12-19 Thread William Kenworthy
Does settings work after changing engines? - known bug with testing.

BillK

On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 12:14 +0100, Benedikt Schindler wrote:
 you have to change the Engine in the enlightenment config from 
 SOFTWARE_16 to SOFTWARE. Then the Illume theme should work.
 
 ... yes, you maybe need some trys to get there without a segfault :) 
 
 Ole Kliemann schrieb:
 
  If I change /etc/enlightenment/default_profile to use the illume theme
  instead of ASU, enlightenment segfaults only seconds after displaying
  the pin dialog.
 
  But I don't know if this way changing profiles is even supposed to work.
 
  Ole

  
 
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Re: read-only?!?

2008-12-19 Thread Alex Fitzpatrick
Andy Green wrote:
 Aah didn't I read that this new rootfs does not remount / -orw... as a
 workaround you aren't meant to use ro on the kernel commandline...
 that'll be it then.

 - -Andy
   
I'm stuck with this also...

Has a bug been logged?
Will a new kernel be released or are we stuck tweaking u-boot parms?

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Re: [Debian] Wlan and suspend/resume

2008-12-19 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Fox Mulder quakem...@gmx.net writes:
 My problem now is, that i can't find any suitable file for wlan. I only

Which kernel? andy-tracking de473 has one for wlan too.

Btw, I have a similar script too. It tells me how many percentage
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Re: OpenMooCow 0.3

2008-12-19 Thread Thomas White
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:24:23 +0100
KaZeR ka...@altern.org wrote:

  my SHR doesn't play the sound... am i missing something?
  Unable to open audio: No available audio device 

 I had the exact same issue last week (haven't tried again since, and
 i'm currently flashing 2008.12)

This sounds odd.  OpenMooCow uses SDL for all the audio work, and the
No available audio device part of that messages comes from SDL itself.
So this could indicate a problem with SDL or something lower-level.

I've seen audio break before due to a mismatch of kernel modules.  Does
audio work in any other programs for you?

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Re: read-only?!?

2008-12-19 Thread Andy Green
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
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| Aah didn't I read that this new rootfs does not remount / -orw... as a
| workaround you aren't meant to use ro on the kernel commandline...
| that'll be it then.
|
| - -Andy
|
| I'm stuck with this also...
|
| Has a bug been logged?
| Will a new kernel be released or are we stuck tweaking u-boot parms?

This is not a kernel issue, it's something to fix in the rootfs,
otherwise you have to solve it by changing U-Boot env.

- -Andy
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Re: 2008.12 illume theme

2008-12-19 Thread John Lee
try disable qtopia under /etc/X11/Xsession.d first, restart X,
finish the config, move qtopia back...


- John

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 03:45:09PM +0200, Timo Jyrinki wrote:
  ... yes, you maybe need some trys to get there without a segfault :) 
 
 I get the segfault directly at startup no matter how many times I try.
 Is there any way to do the engine change somehow when the asu theme is
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Re: Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...

2008-12-19 Thread Al Johnson
Which version are you running? It used to be ~/.linphonerc for CLI and 
~/.gnome2/linphone for GUI in 1.6 and 1.7, and probably 2.x too.

On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote:
 But where does it go? Right now, the linphone application is using the
 username for the user account of the registration. In the
 configuration files of the cli version its set correctly.

 I tried to run strace on the GUI version to watch and see when it
 tried to open a configuration file but no joy. Didn't seem to even
 try.

 Cheers!!

 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Al Johnson

 openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote:
  The structure of the config files for the linphone CLI and GUI are the
  same, so you should be able to take the working one for the CLI and copy
  it over the GUI one. At the very least you should be able to copy the
  registration details from one and paste it into the other.
 
  On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote:
  Thanks for the response guys, I appreciate the help.
 
  I was able to get the linphone application installed manually (package
  by package) onto the Neo. It even works to a point. I've only managed
  to get the command line version to work. So (this is funny), in order
  to place a SIP phone call from my Neo, I have to ssh into it from my
  laptop and then using the command line linphonec application, I can
  then actually register with the PBX and place a call. As a demo, this
  is really going to suck.
 
  I can't seem to configure the GUI version to use the appropriate
  settings to register with the PBX. I'll have a look at the source code
  (if I can find it) and if it's a dead end, I'll pull apart the twinkle
  debian package and try to install it. Any further advice would be
  appreciated.
 
  Cheers!!
 
  On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors
 
  timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote:
   Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com writes:
   extrapolating this point further, would it be possible to (manually)
   install apt and related tools to an om2008.9 system, and get access
   to the debian archives directly?
  
   Chroot is the easiest way to do that. Surely it will waste extra 200M
   of space but SD cards are cheap.
  
  
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Re: Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...

2008-12-19 Thread john dowd
2.1.1 it appears. And since I have never used gnome (I'm a KDE guy), I
had not thought of checking the gnome resource directory. I'll modify
it and see if that gets it working.

Since you seem to be in an informative mood I have one more question
(for now.. lol). The array of Icon's displayed by the GUI (I guess I'm
using illume/enlightenment GUI) only shows a blank box for the
linphone icon. I can see that it installed various png files to use.
Any ideas what I should look at as to why its not displaying the
proper icon file?

Thanks for all your help Al.

Cheers!!

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Al Johnson
openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote:
 Which version are you running? It used to be ~/.linphonerc for CLI and
 ~/.gnome2/linphone for GUI in 1.6 and 1.7, and probably 2.x too.

 On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote:
 But where does it go? Right now, the linphone application is using the
 username for the user account of the registration. In the
 configuration files of the cli version its set correctly.

 I tried to run strace on the GUI version to watch and see when it
 tried to open a configuration file but no joy. Didn't seem to even
 try.

 Cheers!!

 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Al Johnson

 openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote:
  The structure of the config files for the linphone CLI and GUI are the
  same, so you should be able to take the working one for the CLI and copy
  it over the GUI one. At the very least you should be able to copy the
  registration details from one and paste it into the other.
 
  On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote:
  Thanks for the response guys, I appreciate the help.
 
  I was able to get the linphone application installed manually (package
  by package) onto the Neo. It even works to a point. I've only managed
  to get the command line version to work. So (this is funny), in order
  to place a SIP phone call from my Neo, I have to ssh into it from my
  laptop and then using the command line linphonec application, I can
  then actually register with the PBX and place a call. As a demo, this
  is really going to suck.
 
  I can't seem to configure the GUI version to use the appropriate
  settings to register with the PBX. I'll have a look at the source code
  (if I can find it) and if it's a dead end, I'll pull apart the twinkle
  debian package and try to install it. Any further advice would be
  appreciated.
 
  Cheers!!
 
  On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors
 
  timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote:
   Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com writes:
   extrapolating this point further, would it be possible to (manually)
   install apt and related tools to an om2008.9 system, and get access
   to the debian archives directly?
  
   Chroot is the easiest way to do that. Surely it will waste extra 200M
   of space but SD cards are cheap.
  
  
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Re: read-only?!?

2008-12-19 Thread Alex Fitzpatrick
Andy Green wrote:
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 Somebody in the thread at some point said:
 | Andy Green wrote:
 | Aah didn't I read that this new rootfs does not remount / -orw... as a
 | workaround you aren't meant to use ro on the kernel commandline...
 | that'll be it then.
 |
 | - -Andy
 |
 | I'm stuck with this also...
 |
 | Has a bug been logged?
 | Will a new kernel be released or are we stuck tweaking u-boot parms?

 This is not a kernel issue, it's something to fix in the rootfs,
 otherwise you have to solve it by changing U-Boot env.
   
Ok... I'll put my manager hat back on...

Has a bug been logged?
Will a new FILESYSTEM be released or are we stuck tweaking u-boot parms?

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Performance Issues using Neo wifi and WPA2

2008-12-19 Thread john dowd
I have a Neo freerunner running the 2008.9 load. I have it configured
to connect using Wifi to my access point using WPA2 encryption. I do
NOT have a SIMM card in my phone.

I have managed to make a connection to the PBX sitting on the other
side of the Access Point. However, the audio that I'm getting is so
badly broken that it's incomprehensible. I have seen the CPU
utilization going to 78% using top (not a good way to measure I know).

What I'm wondering is, does the Neo have the horsepower to be able to
do this? Is this just an optimization problem that can be addressed or
am I pushing the phone beyond it's ability.

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Re: Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...

2008-12-19 Thread Al Johnson
Probably the wrong path to the icon in the .desktop file which from memory 
will be something like /usr/share/applications/linphone.desktop

On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote:
 2.1.1 it appears. And since I have never used gnome (I'm a KDE guy), I
 had not thought of checking the gnome resource directory. I'll modify
 it and see if that gets it working.

 Since you seem to be in an informative mood I have one more question
 (for now.. lol). The array of Icon's displayed by the GUI (I guess I'm
 using illume/enlightenment GUI) only shows a blank box for the
 linphone icon. I can see that it installed various png files to use.
 Any ideas what I should look at as to why its not displaying the
 proper icon file?

 Thanks for all your help Al.

 Cheers!!

 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Al Johnson

 openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote:
  Which version are you running? It used to be ~/.linphonerc for CLI and
  ~/.gnome2/linphone for GUI in 1.6 and 1.7, and probably 2.x too.
 
  On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote:
  But where does it go? Right now, the linphone application is using the
  username for the user account of the registration. In the
  configuration files of the cli version its set correctly.
 
  I tried to run strace on the GUI version to watch and see when it
  tried to open a configuration file but no joy. Didn't seem to even
  try.
 
  Cheers!!
 
  On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Al Johnson
 
  openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote:
   The structure of the config files for the linphone CLI and GUI are the
   same, so you should be able to take the working one for the CLI and
   copy it over the GUI one. At the very least you should be able to copy
   the registration details from one and paste it into the other.
  
   On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote:
   Thanks for the response guys, I appreciate the help.
  
   I was able to get the linphone application installed manually
   (package by package) onto the Neo. It even works to a point. I've
   only managed to get the command line version to work. So (this is
   funny), in order to place a SIP phone call from my Neo, I have to ssh
   into it from my laptop and then using the command line linphonec
   application, I can then actually register with the PBX and place a
   call. As a demo, this is really going to suck.
  
   I can't seem to configure the GUI version to use the appropriate
   settings to register with the PBX. I'll have a look at the source
   code (if I can find it) and if it's a dead end, I'll pull apart the
   twinkle debian package and try to install it. Any further advice
   would be appreciated.
  
   Cheers!!
  
   On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors
  
   timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote:
Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com writes:
extrapolating this point further, would it be possible to
(manually) install apt and related tools to an om2008.9 system,
and get access to the debian archives directly?
   
Chroot is the easiest way to do that. Surely it will waste extra
200M of space but SD cards are cheap.
   
   
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Re: Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...

2008-12-19 Thread john dowd
Already checked but no joy.

Al, I was fooling around with the GUI and found the About menu item
that had the linphone website on it. Rather than bother you and the
community (since I'm actually being paid to do this!!) I'll work
through the website and figure out my problems. Thanks for the help.

Cheers!!

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Al Johnson
openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote:
 Probably the wrong path to the icon in the .desktop file which from memory
 will be something like /usr/share/applications/linphone.desktop

 On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote:
 2.1.1 it appears. And since I have never used gnome (I'm a KDE guy), I
 had not thought of checking the gnome resource directory. I'll modify
 it and see if that gets it working.

 Since you seem to be in an informative mood I have one more question
 (for now.. lol). The array of Icon's displayed by the GUI (I guess I'm
 using illume/enlightenment GUI) only shows a blank box for the
 linphone icon. I can see that it installed various png files to use.
 Any ideas what I should look at as to why its not displaying the
 proper icon file?

 Thanks for all your help Al.

 Cheers!!

 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Al Johnson

 openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote:
  Which version are you running? It used to be ~/.linphonerc for CLI and
  ~/.gnome2/linphone for GUI in 1.6 and 1.7, and probably 2.x too.
 
  On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote:
  But where does it go? Right now, the linphone application is using the
  username for the user account of the registration. In the
  configuration files of the cli version its set correctly.
 
  I tried to run strace on the GUI version to watch and see when it
  tried to open a configuration file but no joy. Didn't seem to even
  try.
 
  Cheers!!
 
  On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Al Johnson
 
  openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote:
   The structure of the config files for the linphone CLI and GUI are the
   same, so you should be able to take the working one for the CLI and
   copy it over the GUI one. At the very least you should be able to copy
   the registration details from one and paste it into the other.
  
   On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote:
   Thanks for the response guys, I appreciate the help.
  
   I was able to get the linphone application installed manually
   (package by package) onto the Neo. It even works to a point. I've
   only managed to get the command line version to work. So (this is
   funny), in order to place a SIP phone call from my Neo, I have to ssh
   into it from my laptop and then using the command line linphonec
   application, I can then actually register with the PBX and place a
   call. As a demo, this is really going to suck.
  
   I can't seem to configure the GUI version to use the appropriate
   settings to register with the PBX. I'll have a look at the source
   code (if I can find it) and if it's a dead end, I'll pull apart the
   twinkle debian package and try to install it. Any further advice
   would be appreciated.
  
   Cheers!!
  
   On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors
  
   timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote:
Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com writes:
extrapolating this point further, would it be possible to
(manually) install apt and related tools to an om2008.9 system,
and get access to the debian archives directly?
   
Chroot is the easiest way to do that. Surely it will waste extra
200M of space but SD cards are cheap.
   
   
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Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-19 Thread Stroller

On 19 Dec 2008, at 01:10, W.Kenworthy wrote:
 ...
 Actually, please add a camera.  Many techos (that is those who work in
 technical areas) use the mobile phone camera in their work.  I.e.,
 photos of situations, faults etc for reference/passing on to support
 etc.  Only one device to carry, and its always with you.

I have found only one excellent application for a camera phone. When  
installing Windows, one would be useful for photographing the license  
sticker, which is often inaccessible  ill-lit in the back of the  
server cabinet. I can then go back to my desk, enter the key using  
remote desktop or the network KVM, activate  validate the  
installation. This is much more convenient than sticking my head in   
out of a confined space  entering the key 5 digits at a time standing  
up at the sever rack.

Unfortunately, my last phone's camera is inadequate for this, too. It  
has some kind of flash (or perhaps just a white LED for illumination?)  
but it is too poor to actually take photos in such dim light.

However, a camera has been confirmed for GTA03 and - since cameras are  
so common on mobile devices - I don't see Openmoko removing this  
feature without mentioning it. So a thread asking for its addition or  
removal is really a bit redundant at this stage.

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Re: Performance Issues using Neo wifi and WPA2

2008-12-19 Thread Al Johnson
On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote:
 I have a Neo freerunner running the 2008.9 load. I have it configured
 to connect using Wifi to my access point using WPA2 encryption. I do
 NOT have a SIMM card in my phone.

 I have managed to make a connection to the PBX sitting on the other
 side of the Access Point. However, the audio that I'm getting is so
 badly broken that it's incomprehensible. I have seen the CPU
 utilization going to 78% using top (not a good way to measure I know).

 What I'm wondering is, does the Neo have the horsepower to be able to
 do this? Is this just an optimization problem that can be addressed or
 am I pushing the phone beyond it's ability.

 Cheers!!

I have made SIP calls using the linphone CLI over wifi with WPA-TKIP and the 
audio quality was fine. I don't recall which codec it was using, but the 
Freerunner is certainly capable of making high quality SIP calls over 
encrypted wifi.

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want your FR to start faster console based apps? ;-)

2008-12-19 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
ok -- I've become annoyed by the start time of some apps which I do run
in terminal (e.g. screen). 

I've tried to run them on another ARM based beast -- my router -- and it
starts immediately...

ok -- a bit of stracing to figure out that some considerable time is
spent processing ... /etc/termcap

opkg remove termcap

and now it takes a second instead of 10 to start screen ;-) it might be
that the base image doesn't have it installed but I've been running FDOM +
multitude of upgrades, so may be installation of termcap some how went under
the hood?

So decided to share ;-)

Do we ever need /etc/termcap? may be so for some elderly software which
doesn't make use of curses... actually description of termcap-compat
package in Debian (Debian of FR doesn't install it obviousely)

 The termcap-compat package provides the libtermcap.so.2 and /etc/termcap
 files which are required to run non-Debian, binary-only termcap-based
 programs. Since libc6-based programs are hopefully modern enough to be
 linked with ncurses (or slang), this package only provides a libc5-based
 libtermcap library.


So I doubt that we would need it, and there are no other packages which depend
on it -- so it should be safe to remove it

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Re: Navit add destination

2008-12-19 Thread Nathan Kinkade
2008/12/19 KaZeR ka...@altern.org:
snip
 On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:13:07 +
 Samuel Pereira em...@samuelpereira.net (SP) wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Can you add any destination on navit?
 
 Thanks,
 Samuel


 With the new version: click anywhere you want to go to on the
 map, this will bring up menu, choose Actions and then you
 will see the coordinates of the selected point. Click on it
 and choose from: Set as destination, Set as position, Add as
 bookmark, POIs (you can also see the name of the street or of
 the selected element). You want to choose Set as destination.



 If you have searchable OSM maps, or MG maps, you can also :
 - touch scren
 - touch action
 - touch town
 Now you are able to search for a town.
 You should have the country flag in the upper left corner. If you have a
 cross (meaning your country isn't auto-detected) or if you have the wrong
 country, touch the flag and you'll be able to search for a country.

 Once you have a town, touching it will bring a submenu (destination, view on
 map, search street).
 If you touch the green tick on the upper right corner, it will bring you
 directly to the street search.

 Hope this helps!

Is navigation only available with the prebuilt OSM binary map data for
Navit?  I have one of the prebuilt planet.bin files and I can
successfully (well, somewhat) search for towns, etc.  However, I also
downloaded 2 other smaller binary maps files from
http://maps.navit-project.org/download/ and there seems to be no
searchable town data in those files, or at least Navit doesn't find
any when I try to search a town.  The only one it finds is some place
called Matei when I enter an M.

Sorry if this is somewhere on the Navit site, I ddin't see it.

Thanks,

Nathan

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Re: Performance Issues using Neo wifi and WPA2

2008-12-19 Thread john dowd
I'll have to look through the community mails then. I have seen people
referring to optimization problems. Perhaps I'm running into some
questionable s/w. For now, my requirements were to only show a mobile
phone registering with the s/w PBX. Voice was not part of the initial
requirements. However, for demonstration purposes I would really like
to have it working.

Thanks for you confirmation Al, it gives me a start if I have to work
on this problem.

Cheers!!

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Al Johnson
openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote:
 On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote:
 I have a Neo freerunner running the 2008.9 load. I have it configured
 to connect using Wifi to my access point using WPA2 encryption. I do
 NOT have a SIMM card in my phone.

 I have managed to make a connection to the PBX sitting on the other
 side of the Access Point. However, the audio that I'm getting is so
 badly broken that it's incomprehensible. I have seen the CPU
 utilization going to 78% using top (not a good way to measure I know).

 What I'm wondering is, does the Neo have the horsepower to be able to
 do this? Is this just an optimization problem that can be addressed or
 am I pushing the phone beyond it's ability.

 Cheers!!

 I have made SIP calls using the linphone CLI over wifi with WPA-TKIP and the
 audio quality was fine. I don't recall which codec it was using, but the
 Freerunner is certainly capable of making high quality SIP calls over
 encrypted wifi.

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Abwesenheitsnotiz community Digest, Vol 110, Issue 67

2008-12-19 Thread Oguz Varol

Betrifft: Ihre Nachricht vom 19.12.08 16:57:09


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Re: Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...

2008-12-19 Thread john dowd
I found the problem. The actual directory being searched by default is
the /usr/share/pixmap. Linphone is installing a directory containing
its various png files there but not putting the extended path into
the desktop.linphone file.

Cheers!!

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:03 AM, john dowd jdowds...@gmail.com wrote:
 Already checked but no joy.

 Al, I was fooling around with the GUI and found the About menu item
 that had the linphone website on it. Rather than bother you and the
 community (since I'm actually being paid to do this!!) I'll work
 through the website and figure out my problems. Thanks for the help.

 Cheers!!

 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Al Johnson
 openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote:
 Probably the wrong path to the icon in the .desktop file which from memory
 will be something like /usr/share/applications/linphone.desktop

 On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote:
 2.1.1 it appears. And since I have never used gnome (I'm a KDE guy), I
 had not thought of checking the gnome resource directory. I'll modify
 it and see if that gets it working.

 Since you seem to be in an informative mood I have one more question
 (for now.. lol). The array of Icon's displayed by the GUI (I guess I'm
 using illume/enlightenment GUI) only shows a blank box for the
 linphone icon. I can see that it installed various png files to use.
 Any ideas what I should look at as to why its not displaying the
 proper icon file?

 Thanks for all your help Al.

 Cheers!!

 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Al Johnson

 openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote:
  Which version are you running? It used to be ~/.linphonerc for CLI and
  ~/.gnome2/linphone for GUI in 1.6 and 1.7, and probably 2.x too.
 
  On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote:
  But where does it go? Right now, the linphone application is using the
  username for the user account of the registration. In the
  configuration files of the cli version its set correctly.
 
  I tried to run strace on the GUI version to watch and see when it
  tried to open a configuration file but no joy. Didn't seem to even
  try.
 
  Cheers!!
 
  On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Al Johnson
 
  openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote:
   The structure of the config files for the linphone CLI and GUI are the
   same, so you should be able to take the working one for the CLI and
   copy it over the GUI one. At the very least you should be able to copy
   the registration details from one and paste it into the other.
  
   On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote:
   Thanks for the response guys, I appreciate the help.
  
   I was able to get the linphone application installed manually
   (package by package) onto the Neo. It even works to a point. I've
   only managed to get the command line version to work. So (this is
   funny), in order to place a SIP phone call from my Neo, I have to ssh
   into it from my laptop and then using the command line linphonec
   application, I can then actually register with the PBX and place a
   call. As a demo, this is really going to suck.
  
   I can't seem to configure the GUI version to use the appropriate
   settings to register with the PBX. I'll have a look at the source
   code (if I can find it) and if it's a dead end, I'll pull apart the
   twinkle debian package and try to install it. Any further advice
   would be appreciated.
  
   Cheers!!
  
   On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors
  
   timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote:
Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com writes:
extrapolating this point further, would it be possible to
(manually) install apt and related tools to an om2008.9 system,
and get access to the debian archives directly?
   
Chroot is the easiest way to do that. Surely it will waste extra
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Re: Performance Issues using Neo wifi and WPA2

2008-12-19 Thread Helge Hafting
john dowd wrote:
 I have a Neo freerunner running the 2008.9 load. I have it configured
 to connect using Wifi to my access point using WPA2 encryption. I do
 NOT have a SIMM card in my phone.
 
 I have managed to make a connection to the PBX sitting on the other
 side of the Access Point. However, the audio that I'm getting is so
 badly broken that it's incomprehensible. I have seen the CPU
 utilization going to 78% using top (not a good way to measure I know).
 
 What I'm wondering is, does the Neo have the horsepower to be able to
 do this? Is this just an optimization problem that can be addressed or
 am I pushing the phone beyond it's ability.

First, renice the process/processes involved to -15 or so.

The same thing applies to music playing software: pythm+mplayer
hickups whenever I touch the screen, unless I arrange to
renice mplayer. (A setting in /etc/pythm.conf) Renice to -15,
and the sound is fine all the time. Most other stuff runs at 0,
with some processes at -5 or -10. -15 is therefore above everything else.

If your process needs 78% or so then it is very likely necessary to 
renice. mplayer used 40%-50% of the cpu for playing .ogg files, and 
definitely needed renicing.


If this doesn't help, check that the wireless network isn't
overloaded. You get the same problems if you don't get
enough bandwith for your call. And be careful with using the net for
anything else at the same time.

Helge Hafting

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[Android] koolu first beta release

2008-12-19 Thread Giorgio Marci
Koolu has released the first Android OS beta release.

Does anyone have tried it? 

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[Android] koolu first beta release

2008-12-19 Thread Giorgio Marci
Koolu has released the first Android OS beta release.

Does anyone have tried it? 

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RE: Navit add destination

2008-12-19 Thread KaZeR
 

 -Message d'origine-
 
 Is navigation only available with the prebuilt OSM binary map 
 data for Navit?  I have one of the prebuilt planet.bin files 
 and I can successfully (well, somewhat) search for towns, 
 etc.  However, I also downloaded 2 other smaller binary maps 
 files from http://maps.navit-project.org/download/ and there 
 seems to be no searchable town data in those files, or at 
 least Navit doesn't find any when I try to search a town.  
 The only one it finds is some place called Matei when I enter an M.
 
 Sorry if this is somewhere on the Navit site, I ddin't see it.
 

Don't worry, documentation needs a big cleanup and expand :)

In what countries are those maps?


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Re: [Android] koolu first beta release

2008-12-19 Thread Cédric Berger
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 17:14, Giorgio Marci ledz...@writeme.com wrote:

 Koolu has released the first Android OS beta release.

 Does anyone have tried it?


I flashed it.
I did not notice significant changes from Sean's image of 5 dec. (yet ?)
- Software keyboard has been modified with bigger keys.
- Cannot turn on bluetooth anymore

Did not try GSM yet.
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Abwesenheitsnotiz community Digest, Vol 110, Issue 68 erfolgreich auf Virenfreiheit geprueft

2008-12-19 Thread Oguz Varol

Betrifft: Ihre Nachricht vom 19.12.08 17:31:42


Ich bin ab dem 29.12.08 wieder im Hause der WGZ Bank erreichbar. In
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Sie sich bitte an meine Kollegen aus dem IT-PM.

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Re: Navit add destination

2008-12-19 Thread Nathan Kinkade
2008/12/19 KaZeR ka...@altern.org:
snip
 Is navigation only available with the prebuilt OSM binary map
 data for Navit?  I have one of the prebuilt planet.bin files
 and I can successfully (well, somewhat) search for towns,
 etc.  However, I also downloaded 2 other smaller binary maps
 files from http://maps.navit-project.org/download/ and there
 seems to be no searchable town data in those files, or at
 least Navit doesn't find any when I try to search a town.
 The only one it finds is some place called Matei when I enter an M.

 Sorry if this is somewhere on the Navit site, I ddin't see it.


 Don't worry, documentation needs a big cleanup and expand :)

 In what countries are those maps?

I have 3 binary-type map files.  The planet map files is from Sept.
28, 2008 (planet-080928.bin).  I downloaded it from
http://maps.navit-project.org/ a few months ago.  The other two maps I
downloaded just a few days ago using the Planet extract tool at
http://maps.navit-project.org/download/.   For one of them I made a
box around the entire United States, and for the other I made a box
around the entire state of Florida (U.S.).

The prebuilt planet file seems to have searchable city/street data,
but the two I downloaded via the Planet Extract tool don't seem to
have any searchable data.  There are two reasons that I really want to
reduce the size of the map files.  First, searching is somewhat slow
for the entire planet. :-)  Second, since the search results for the
data don't indicate state/district, I may get dozens of towns by the
same name and have no way of knowing which state it's in.  The view
on map option, besides being tedious, doesn't seem to work as I would
expect.  It shows the map for a few seconds then returns to the main
map and I have to start all over again, and the map it did show for a
few seconds was at a zoom-level at which I couldn't tell what I was
looking at.

Thanks!

Nathan

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[Report] - Buzz fix

2008-12-19 Thread Michael Zanetti
Hi!

I just wanted to let you know that I have applied the Buzz fix to my Freerunner 
revision A5 according to this [1] paper and indeed the buzz is completely 
gone. Including the echo fix my Neo converted from the coolest toy to the 
coolest _phone_ I've ever had.

I'm flashing 2008.12 right now. *very excited*

Very big thanks to everyone involved working out this one!
And thank you openmoko (the whole team) for this wonderful product!

Michael

[1] http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-
C_rework_SOP__DRAFT3__.pdf

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Graphical text editor ?

2008-12-19 Thread kimaidou
Hi all

I am using my freerunner with a keyboard connected via USB. When I want to
create/modify a text document, I use nano or vi.
It works great (fast, low cpu-usage) but It lacks some funcionnalities I am
looking for :
* Wrap text at the end of line
* Line number show
* graphical way of selecting files to open.

I would like to know if someone knew a bit about that ? The best would be a
port of scite on the FR

Thanks in advance

Kimaidou
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Re: Graphical text editor ?

2008-12-19 Thread Sam Kuper
2008/12/19 kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com

 I am using my freerunner with a keyboard connected via USB. When I want to
 create/modify a text document, I use nano or vi.
 It works great (fast, low cpu-usage) but It lacks some funcionnalities I am
 looking for :
 * Wrap text at the end of line
 * Line number show
 * graphical way of selecting files to open.

 I would like to know if someone knew a bit about that ?


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Re: [Report] - Buzz fix

2008-12-19 Thread Paul

 I just wanted to let you know that I have applied the Buzz fix to my 
 Freerunner 
 revision A5 according to this [1] paper and indeed the buzz is completely 
 gone. Including the echo fix my Neo converted from the coolest toy to the 
 coolest _phone_ I've ever had.

Good for you. I had a look at the PDF and already know I am not going to 
attempt that. I know what side of a soldering device to hold, and that's 
where my knowledge ends...

;-)
Paul

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Re: Bluetooth headset GUI configuration

2008-12-19 Thread Simon Kagstrom
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:52:20 -0700
Angus Ainslie angus.ains...@gmail.com wrote:

  So: Do any of the distributions allow easy use of bluetooth
  headsets?
 
 A search of the wiki brings up this
 
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Bluetooth_Headset_on_Freerunner

I've tried these instructions on both FSO and SHR now, and it works on
neither of them. BtConfigure.py never finishes after having entered the
PIN.

I also tried the A2DP instructions, with similar results. After having
installed bluez-utils-alsa I get

  r...@om-gta02 ~ $ aplay bark.wav 
  bt_audio_service_open: connect() failed: Connection refused (111)
  aplay: main:546: audio open error: Connection refused

If anyone has this working, how did you do it? What distribution are
you running?

// Simon

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Importing Contacts from Thunderbird

2008-12-19 Thread Will Siddall
Hey,
I know there's a wiki item for this, but I just have to send it to
everyone.  I want to edit the wiki, but I don't know if anyone has run
into this problem yet.

The wiki shows to install a VCF plugin for thunderbird then just
import the VCF into your contacts app.  I had a lot of problems with
this and actually found that the format of the VCF file doesn't match
what 'addressbook' is looking for.

Instead, here are the steps I found to work and if anyone can confirm
this, I will add it to the wiki.

1: Export your addressbook/contacts to VCF file(s)
2: From your terminal, run:
sed -r -e 's/;TYPE=([^,]+),([^:]+):/;\1;\2:/g' old.vcf  new.vcf
3: From your OpenMoko, run:
addressbook new.vcf

Will

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Re: Importing Contacts from Thunderbird

2008-12-19 Thread kimaidou
Hi

thanks for your feedback ! Does it work on SHR, or only on Om distos ?

Kimaidou

2008/12/19 Will Siddall will.sidd...@gmail.com

 Hey,
 I know there's a wiki item for this, but I just have to send it to
 everyone.  I want to edit the wiki, but I don't know if anyone has run
 into this problem yet.

 The wiki shows to install a VCF plugin for thunderbird then just
 import the VCF into your contacts app.  I had a lot of problems with
 this and actually found that the format of the VCF file doesn't match
 what 'addressbook' is looking for.

 Instead, here are the steps I found to work and if anyone can confirm
 this, I will add it to the wiki.

 1: Export your addressbook/contacts to VCF file(s)
 2: From your terminal, run:
sed -r -e 's/;TYPE=([^,]+),([^:]+):/;\1;\2:/g' old.vcf  new.vcf
 3: From your OpenMoko, run:
addressbook new.vcf

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Re: Importing Contacts from Thunderbird

2008-12-19 Thread Will Siddall
I've only tested it on 2008.12 and I know it's the same for 2008.8.
I would think that just as long as you're using the Qtopia contacts
app, this would need to be done.

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:18 PM, kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi

 thanks for your feedback ! Does it work on SHR, or only on Om distos ?

 Kimaidou

 2008/12/19 Will Siddall will.sidd...@gmail.com

 Hey,
 I know there's a wiki item for this, but I just have to send it to
 everyone.  I want to edit the wiki, but I don't know if anyone has run
 into this problem yet.

 The wiki shows to install a VCF plugin for thunderbird then just
 import the VCF into your contacts app.  I had a lot of problems with
 this and actually found that the format of the VCF file doesn't match
 what 'addressbook' is looking for.

 Instead, here are the steps I found to work and if anyone can confirm
 this, I will add it to the wiki.

 1: Export your addressbook/contacts to VCF file(s)
 2: From your terminal, run:
sed -r -e 's/;TYPE=([^,]+),([^:]+):/;\1;\2:/g' old.vcf  new.vcf
 3: From your OpenMoko, run:
addressbook new.vcf

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Re: Bluetooth headset GUI configuration

2008-12-19 Thread Denis Shulyaka
2008/12/19 Simon Kagstrom simon.kagst...@gmail.com:
 I've tried these instructions on both FSO and SHR now, and it works on
 neither of them. BtConfigure.py never finishes after having entered the
 PIN.

Same here on FDOM. I get DBus error in console, I didn't dig any further.

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Re: [Report] - Buzz fix

2008-12-19 Thread Paul
Sargun Dhillon wrote:
 At the local university electronics lab they have SMD soldering
 equipment (scops, irons, etc...).

Aye... Unfortunately local university presents a bit of a problem, as 
in that there is none... *grin*

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Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-19 Thread carmen
On Fri Dec 19, 2008 at 10:17:40AM +0100, Michael Zanetti wrote:
 On Friday 19 December 2008 02:10:59 W.Kenworthy wrote:
 
  Actually, please add a camera.  Many techos (that is those who work in
  technical areas) use the mobile phone camera in their work.  I.e.,
  photos of situations, faults etc for reference/passing on to support
  etc.  Only one device to carry, and its always with you.  Yes early ones
  were barely adequate (I used a Palm treo for this), but others moved
  onto nokias etc when they came with better cameras.
 
 
 The other side: Many techos (especially those working in automotive branch) 
 are not even allowed to use mobile phones with cameras at work...
 
 I know... In the end it is a personal preference... But I still stand on my 
 opinion that the camera is the last important thing that we need. When we 
 have 
by the time i get around to feeling like i want a phone,

im sure ASUS and ACER will have their androind-capable/linux-capable phones out

and quite likely, theyll mildly trounce gta03 in price/performance


just like netbooks. all over again. does FIc even hav eone?


 3G connectivity I will stop ranting against cameras :)
 
  And how many controversial situations hit the news where a mobile phone
  camera was used as its on the spot and available?
 
 Again... personal preferences... But I really hate such stories where some 
 low-end-prominence got captured in somewhat not situation by some idiot with 
 his mobile phone camera where you can hardly think of what it should be 
 because the picture is totally underexposed... It really makes me sick that 
 people don't have better things to do...
 
 
 
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Re: OpenMooCow 0.3

2008-12-19 Thread Klaus Kurzmann
* Thomas White ta...@cam.ac.uk [081219 15:24]:
 On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:24:23 +0100
 KaZeR ka...@altern.org wrote:

   my SHR doesn't play the sound... am i missing something?
   Unable to open audio: No available audio device 

  I had the exact same issue last week (haven't tried again since, and
  i'm currently flashing 2008.12)

 This sounds odd.  OpenMooCow uses SDL for all the audio work, and the
 No available audio device part of that messages comes from SDL itself.
 So this could indicate a problem with SDL or something lower-level.

 I've seen audio break before due to a mismatch of kernel modules.  Does
 audio work in any other programs for you?

I had the same problem... modprobe snd-pcm-oss helped :-)

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Re: Importing Contacts from Thunderbird

2008-12-19 Thread Giorgio Marci
Vcf file contacts impork works only on OM based distribution and
Qtopia/Qtextended. SHR is based on frameworkd that doesn't suppoert (yet)
contacts import.

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Re: Bluetooth headset GUI configuration

2008-12-19 Thread Simon Kagstrom
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:52:08 +0300
Denis Shulyaka shuly...@gmail.com wrote:

 2008/12/19 Simon Kagstrom simon.kagst...@gmail.com:
  I've tried these instructions on both FSO and SHR now, and it works
  on neither of them. BtConfigure.py never finishes after having
  entered the PIN.
 
 Same here on FDOM. I get DBus error in console, I didn't dig any
 further.

I'm reading the bluez howto:

   http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/AudioDevices

to get some further hints. The dbus stuff there also doesn't seem to
work:

  r...@om-gta02:~# dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez 
org.bluez.Manager.ActivateService string:audio
  Error org.bluez.Error.NoSuchService: No such service

(SHR this time). Reading this:

  http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.bluez.user/13108

it seems like bluez-utils have been compiled without --enable-audio.
Could this be the problem?

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Re: Importing Contacts from Thunderbird

2008-12-19 Thread kimaidou
Ok giorgio
Thanks for your reply. So I will wait a bit :)

2008/12/19 Giorgio Marci ledz...@writeme.com

 Vcf file contacts impork works only on OM based distribution and
 Qtopia/Qtextended. SHR is based on frameworkd that doesn't suppoert (yet)
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Re: Bluetooth headset GUI configuration

2008-12-19 Thread Al Johnson
On Friday 19 December 2008, Simon Kagstrom wrote:
 On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:52:08 +0300

 Denis Shulyaka shuly...@gmail.com wrote:
  2008/12/19 Simon Kagstrom simon.kagst...@gmail.com:
   I've tried these instructions on both FSO and SHR now, and it works
   on neither of them. BtConfigure.py never finishes after having
   entered the PIN.
 
  Same here on FDOM. I get DBus error in console, I didn't dig any
  further.

 I'm reading the bluez howto:

http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/AudioDevices

 to get some further hints. The dbus stuff there also doesn't seem to
 work:

   r...@om-gta02:~# dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.bluez
 /org/bluez org.bluez.Manager.ActivateService string:audio Error
 org.bluez.Error.NoSuchService: No such service

 (SHR this time). Reading this:

   http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.bluez.user/13108

 it seems like bluez-utils have been compiled without --enable-audio.
 Could this be the problem?

Do you have bluez-audio or bluez-utils-alsa installed? They aren't in FSO by 
default.

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Re: Importing Contacts from Thunderbird

2008-12-19 Thread Giorgio Marci
No problem, it's a pleasure!

We all hope for contacts support soon so..stay tuned! ;)

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  Ok giorgio
  Thanks for your reply. So I will wait a bit :)

  2008/12/19 Giorgio Marci ledz...@writeme.com

Vcf file contacts impork works only on OM based distribution and
Qtopia/Qtextended. SHR is based on frameworkd that doesn't
suppoert (yet) contacts import.

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Re: debian on freerunner

2008-12-19 Thread Michael
Hi,

Am Fr, den 19.12.08 um 01:53 schrieb Jos vd Snepscheut:
 I have been installing debian on my SD cart using this script:
 wget http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/install.sh
with 'QI=true QI_VERBOSE_BOOT=true ./install.sh all' ?

 on mmcblk0p2 there is / (root) and /boot
 in /boot there is append-GTA02 and uImage-GTA02.bin
this files should be in /boot/boot.

 did this all by following the debian wikki
...
debian-gta02:~# cd /boot 
debian-gta02:/boot# mkdir boot 
debian-gta02:/boot# ln -s ../uImage.bin boot/uImage-GTA02.bin 
debian-gta02:/boot# echo root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 console=tty0 loglevel=8 
boot/append-GTA02
...

greets 
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Re: OpenMooCow 0.3

2008-12-19 Thread Yann Neveu
On Friday 19 December 2008 21:22:03 Klaus Kurzmann wrote:

 I had the same problem... modprobe snd-pcm-oss helped :-)

For me, /etc/init.d/speech-dispatcher stop helped

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Re: debian on freerunner

2008-12-19 Thread Andy Green
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Hi,
|
| Am Fr, den 19.12.08 um 01:53 schrieb Jos vd Snepscheut:
| I have been installing debian on my SD cart using this script:
| wget http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/install.sh
| with 'QI=true QI_VERBOSE_BOOT=true ./install.sh all' ?
|
| on mmcblk0p2 there is / (root) and /boot
| in /boot there is append-GTA02 and uImage-GTA02.bin
| this files should be in /boot/boot.

Is this /boot on that partition mounted on /boot on another partition
then?  Qi makes the assumption that the partition the kernel is coming
from is the rootfs.

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Re: [Report] - Buzz fix

2008-12-19 Thread Jim Morris
Michael Zanetti wrote:
 Hi!
 
 I just wanted to let you know that I have applied the Buzz fix to my 
 Freerunner 
 revision A5 according to this [1] paper and indeed the buzz is completely 
 gone. Including the echo fix my Neo converted from the coolest toy to the 
 coolest _phone_ I've ever had.
 

Ok, so how/when will OM offer a fix for end users? This fix is way beyond my 
skills to do.


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