Re: Need help to create a french illume keyboard
On Sunday 28 December 2008, Carsten Haitzler wrote: the problem is that there is a utf8 parsing bug in the dict - it was fixed recent;y in svn, 2008.x will likely not get the fixes for a long time. but now dict matching is VERY slow. I noticed the slowness as well. If you could give me a hint how to start just the keyboard without the rest of enlightenment I would have a look at it with valgrind. Cheers, Florian -- DI Florian Hackenberger flor...@hackenberger.at www.hackenberger.at ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Qtopia] Major problems with qt-extended?
I'm having a lot of major problems with 4.4.2, and particularly with the earlier versions as well. With earlier versions, the alarm stopped working correctly, and sometimes when I received a text message it would not wake my phone up, or would not go through until after I restarted my phone. I've looked around on bug trackers and am having trouble finding these exact issues, so I was wondering if I'm the only one: With 4.4.2: 1. After sending a text message and the last input screen shows numbers (to confirm the number sending) the next message input screen starts with numbers instead of letters. 2. No sound on receiving a call or sms. 3. Call volume is turned all the way up, but extremely quiet (even compared to previous qt versions). 4. Menus scroll way past the top or bottom of where they should. Sorry if I missed a tracker, thanks for the help! Matthew Lane ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Community newsletter
Hi everybody, This is Openmoko community community newsletter #8, year's end issue. This couple of weeks were packed with lots of action. Openmoko released the 2008.12 distribution upgrade and Koolu released its first Android beta. Both these were very expected and, actually contained no surprise at all, since the developpement process is completely open. Administration for projects.openmoko.org was transferred to knowledgeable community member Armin Ranjbar (nickname: zoup), and opkg.org got a complete overhaul. Contents * 1 Distributions * 2 New applications * 3 Applications updates * 4 Community * 5 Hardware * 6 Tips and tricks This is retrieved from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/December_29th%2C_2008 which has all the good links in Distributions * Om 2008.12 Update is out ! This is the fastest, latest and probably last of the ASU familly line of distributions. Officially upgrades 2008.9, optimized with faster boot, volume control during phonecall, and much more. Read the announcement, then go to the download dir. * Android. Koolu announced their first beta release. Based on Sean's image, Wendy from Openmoko produced test reports (PDF) concluding that Android Image On Freerunner really looks good, but [...] not ready to be a daily phone yet. Interesting applications waiting to be fixed to work on Freerunner include bluetooth, wifi, GPS, browser... * hackable:1 announced (documentation). Led by Marcus Bauer of TangoGPS fame, this project aims to implement the GNOME Mobile stack on top of Debian on FreeRunner. Its installation is specially simple: download the tarball, unpack the files on a 2 GB SD card, put the card in the FreeRunner. * Telefoninux 0.01 is out. First alpha release for this Debian-optimized distro. * Bytestore points out an augmented 2008.12 image with russian keyboard, GPRS and other goodies. New applications * Carlo released OpenVibe, the first opensource vibrator :) Pander also offers an open source MIDlet in a JAR to control the vibrator function. We are still waiting for test reports tought. * Yann released meooem 0.0.1, a realtime weather notifier opkg page. Setup the displayed city in /etc/meooem.conf. * Ilja pushed out version 0.1.0 of om-manager, a python Freerunner manager: flash, backup, get logs, manage packages, VNC (if x11vnc is installed on the phone). * Valéry released Neon, a simple Python/EFL image viewer, designed to be lightweight, fast, and easy to use. * Nathan shared his GPRS launcher script and the ipk for Gtkdialog it uses. The script can be used to start the connection, stop the connection, or to simply find out the current GPRS status. * Openmoko's next generation telephony, messaging and addressbook application paroli was merged with tichy, the application starter. So opkg install tichy, setup according to Mirko's email, and enjoy. * Angus offers a where are you now daemon that can SMS back its location upon request. * Chris submits for testing the prototype for a fullscreen keyboard. * A dutch keyboard for illume. * Daniel MT released Bright Player 0.1, a lightweight, quick and easy random music player for OM2008.X based distributions. * Last but not least, Josh shares an IMAP Mail reader and a collection of scripts to manage launching applications, control wifi, power, screen etc. Initially developped on 2007.2, most ported to Debian. Applications updates * OpenMoocow 0.3 released. Changes include: better graphics from openclipart.org by bsantos, more responsive, kernel 2.6.28 new sysfs paths ready, thinkpad HDAPS merged in. * ZOMG!, an opkg frontend, updated. Faster, cacao and jamvm compatible (jamvm still recommended). * navit, a drivers' GPS navigation system (trac) is being optimized for the FreeRunner by Christian Anke and others. * Damian A. Spriggs started working on a MAME port. The Multimedia Arcade Machine Emulator is a must for all retro-gamers out there. I can't wait to play P*c-M*n and G*l*xi*n again on my subway commute ! * Angus updated pymixer.py to use the FSO framework. It should automatically detect scenario changes and update the mixers now. Put fsomixer.py into /usr bin and chmod +x it. volume_fso.desktop goes into /usr/share/applications. * The Zedlock screen locker rewritten and re-released as 0.1 functional prototype. * siglaunchd, a daemon which listens to dbus signals and runs applications accordingly, got regular expressions (string patterns) matching, and was ported to C. For example, one can set the aux button to launch the dialer and the other can set a sound when screen is dimmed with as little as no effort. * Homezoneapplet 0.2. An applet and daemon to display the O2 (german mobile provider) Homezone icon. Now works on FSO and SHR. * omnewrotate 0.5.3. Updated for 2008.12 compatibility. Community * Recognizing that they
Re: Need help to create a french illume keyboard
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:36:14 +0100 Florian Hackenberger f.hackenber...@chello.at babbled: On Sunday 28 December 2008, Carsten Haitzler wrote: the problem is that there is a utf8 parsing bug in the dict - it was fixed recent;y in svn, 2008.x will likely not get the fixes for a long time. but now dict matching is VERY slow. I noticed the slowness as well. If you could give me a hint how to start just the keyboard without the rest of enlightenment I would have a look at it with valgrind. actually impossible as its just part of a module dlopen()ed by e - so its not a separate process at all. :( -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO/Illume] Program icons not showing up
On Sunday 21 December 2008 09:37:36 Ingvaldur Sigurjonsson wrote: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:01:51 +0100 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@openmoko.org babbled: This always happens when we're starting to stabilize for a release. Last time it was something with a missing mimetypes postinst. Raster, any idea what it can be this time? icons display for me on my illume images, on desktop etc. etc. - so i'm on the works for me bandwagon (thus not answering these as i have no 'why' as i never saw it break). svnr37919 is the last svnr i built with OE I'm having problems with the 'e-wm - 0.16.999.050+svnr37988-r0' build. I've been trying both fso-testing and fso-unstable, same results. Editing the .desktop files and removing all 'Name[xx]=...' did not help either. I even made sure there was only one line containing 'Categories=' (some with multiple values, separated by ';') to no avail. I'll continue to harden some bolts and loosen up some screws so I will report if I make any progress. Did you make any progress? I have the same problem. Also tried tweaking the .desktop files but no luck so far. I do get these errors in /tmp/x.log EDJE ERROR: file /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/illume.edj, group e/modules/kbd/base/default has a non-fixed part. add fixed: 1 1; ??? Problem part is: e.text.label Will recalc min size not allowing broken parts to affect the result. and K! 2 borders with same client window id in them! very bad! optimisations failing due to bizarre client behavior. will work around. grtz, Sander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Getting rid of Android
Vasili Sviridov wrote: Not sure what has changed, but when I do dfu-util -l from both NOR and NAND uBoot i get this Found Runtime [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=3, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name=USB Device Firmware Upgrade and thats the only line in there. So i'm currently not even able to update the bootloader (as i hoped that'll allow me to see the rest of the partitions). Vasili You can't even update? That sounds pretty bad. If you get that from both NAN and NOR then you've got problems. I was going to suggest that maybe you follow the What if I borked my bootloader environment and don't get a prompt anymore? instructions here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader but if you get that from both then... Are you still running uboot or did you switch to the new thing? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Getting-rid-of-Android-tp1702369p2081295.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
How do you like to read a phone number?
Hello to all I would like to know how do you like to read the phone number: I try to explain: when we read a phone number we usually like to separe it with some spaces or signs: for example in Italy when someone give me a mobile phone number I usually write: +39 347 123456 Or if it is a fixed number: +39 02 123456 or +39 011 123456 But I know in USA is more common something like: +1-212-123456 Please, who has some time, can you please write your country (Italy, France, etc.) and the way how usually is normal to read a phone number in your country (with international prefix) The format I use to descrive is this: +39 ### * or +1-###-* (where # replace a char, and * replace all remaining chars) Thank you a lot for your time Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Android] on SD card
Hi, i have android booting from SD card. It wasn't that hard to make it work. You will need SD with one ext3 partition. Download and unpack tarball from here [1] and boot with Qi [2]. First boot take quite a lot of time. Then it will be faster. You can also compile from sources [3] and put the rootfs together yourself. You just have to put together what is in out/target/product/freerunner directory and add kernel (either the Sean's [4] or andy tracking[5]). I have attached my script which does this [6]. Last this is to modify init.rc file so that it mounts SD card, you can find it attached or here [7]. While Android boots or later you can attach to it with adb like this: ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 adb kill-server adb shell adb logcat I hope this helps us with killing bugs that Android on FR currently has (suspend, power off, GSM crashes, ...) Cheers Radek [1] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/openmoko/android/rootfs.tar.gz [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi [3] http://git.koolu.org/ [4] http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/ [5] http://people.openmoko.org/andy/ [6] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/openmoko/android/mk_rootfs.sh [7] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/openmoko/android/init.rc mk_rootfs.sh Description: application/shellscript init.rc Description: application/extension-rc ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Michele Renda, 2008-12-29 13:00:01 +0100 : Please, who has some time, can you please write your country (Italy, France, etc.) and the way how usually is normal to read a phone number in your country (with international prefix) For France (+33), the usual format is +33 # ## ## ## ## (international format) or 0# ## ## ## ## (without the international prefix). Sometimes the ## components are grouped by pairs, giving two blocks of digits, but that's not quite common. Digits (or groups of digits) are usually separated by spaces, but sometimes by dots (as in 0#.##.##.##.##). Roland. -- Roland Mas Sauvez une souris, mangez votre chat. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Le Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:00:01 +0100, Michele Renda michele.re...@gmail.com a écrit : Hello to all I would like to know how do you like to read the phone number: I try to explain: when we read a phone number we usually like to separe it with some spaces or signs: for example in Italy when someone give me a mobile phone number I usually write: +39 347 123456 Or if it is a fixed number: +39 02 123456 or +39 011 123456 But I know in USA is more common something like: +1-212-123456 Please, who has some time, can you please write your country (Italy, France, etc.) and the way how usually is normal to read a phone number in your country (with international prefix) The format I use to descrive is this: +39 ### * or +1-###-* (where # replace a char, and * replace all remaining chars) Thank you a lot for your time Michele Renda Hi Michele, It's not so easy, because there are many codes inside a country. For example, switzerland: +41 79 xxx xx xx But for voice boxes : +41 860 xx xxx xx xx Special services +41 [8-9]xx xxx xx xx The idea would be a syntax to allow the country specific need to be applied (aka numbering plan). Best regards -- Alexandre ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Il 29/12/2008 13:20, Roland Mas ha scritto: For France (+33), the usual format is +33 # ## ## ## ## (international format) or 0# ## ## ## ## (without the international prefix) Thank you for your answer. I have a question: this is valid for every number? (both Fix and Mobil?) And for you... for example... when you dial a number, is more easy to read a number in this format +33 # ## ## ## ## ? and the last question... there is a rule in France to separate a fixed number / mobile number? Thank you for your help. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Il 29/12/2008 13:26, Alexandre Ghisoli ha scritto: It's not so easy, because there are many codes inside a country. For example, switzerland: +41 79 xxx xx xx But for voice boxes : +41 860 xx xxx xx xx Special services +41 [8-9]xx xxx xx xx The idea would be a syntax to allow the country specific need to be applied (aka numbering plan). Yes, this would be the idea. I am just working on this. I did it for Italian number. and I got very good results. Can you please give me a link to a site where is explained the switzerland prefix list? (if exist) Something like: http://www.comuni-italiani.it/tel/index.html Thank you for your time Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Australia: Mobiles: 04nn nnn nnn (mobiles all *seem* to be prefixed as 04 - may or may not be true) Local fixed: (I think some small country areas have smaller number sets, but capitols have 8 digits) Interstate fixed: (0n) + is usually only seen with international numbers. e.g. +61 (9) is the same as 0011 61 9 (International call, Australia, Western Australia, local number) Sometimes dashes are used (e.g., international companies adds), but mostly you will see spaces used as separators. Not really an issue, except for using a + like you do will totally confuse people here ... I think that if you try and implement a global one size suits everyone, you can only separate numbers with spaces (say every 3 or 4 digits) - to do anything more complicated you will need to look into internationalisation (or possibly user selectable from a number of choices) as everybodies ideas are different :( Ive seen some discussions on the asterisk list about how telephone numbers are allocated and designed across the world and its basicly an anarchic nightmare :) Try googling - there is enough detail to keep you happy for a long long while ... BillK On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 13:00 +0100, Michele Renda wrote: Hello to all I would like to know how do you like to read the phone number: I try to explain: when we read a phone number we usually like to separe it with some spaces or signs: for example in Italy when someone give me a mobile phone number I usually write: +39 347 123456 Or if it is a fixed number: +39 02 123456 or +39 011 123456 But I know in USA is more common something like: +1-212-123456 Please, who has some time, can you please write your country (Italy, France, etc.) and the way how usually is normal to read a phone number in your country (with international prefix) The format I use to descrive is this: +39 ### * or +1-###-* (where # replace a char, and * replace all remaining chars) Thank you a lot for your time Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Il 29/12/2008 13:26, Gora Mohanty ha scritto: It varies a bit in India, but one common format for landlines (typically 8 digits) is +91 XXX ABCD EFGH (the XXX is the area code, which is prefixed by a zero from within India, and can be upto 5 digits), e.g., +91 11 4277 0045 from outside India, and 011 4277 0045 from within India. Mobile numbers need no area code, and are 10 digits, typically written all together, e.g., +91 ABCDEFGHIJ. Thank you for all the info. Do you know a site where there is the list of prefix code in India? Something similary to: http://www.comuni-italiani.it/tel/index.html Thank you a lot for your time! Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Try http://www.ashesh.net/blog/downloads/PDF/Mobile_Telephone_Number_Codes_India.pdf Seems to be accurate from first glance. On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Michele Renda michele.re...@gmail.com wrote: Il 29/12/2008 13:26, Gora Mohanty ha scritto: It varies a bit in India, but one common format for landlines (typically 8 digits) is +91 XXX ABCD EFGH (the XXX is the area code, which is prefixed by a zero from within India, and can be upto 5 digits), e.g., +91 11 4277 0045 from outside India, and 011 4277 0045 from within India. Mobile numbers need no area code, and are 10 digits, typically written all together, e.g., +91 ABCDEFGHIJ. Thank you for all the info. Do you know a site where there is the list of prefix code in India? Something similary to: http://www.comuni-italiani.it/tel/index.html Thank you a lot for your time! Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Il 29/12/2008 13:45, Carl Lobo ha scritto: Try http://www.ashesh.net/blog/downloads/PDF/Mobile_Telephone_Number_Codes_India.pdf Seems to be accurate from first glance. It is really what I was searching for Now I have on what to work on ... :) Thank you for your help! Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 12:38 PM, William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: Australia: Mobiles: 04nn nnn nnn (mobiles all *seem* to be prefixed as 04 - may or may not be true The zero seems to be like the zero on an area code, - is omitted when the country prefix is used. + is usually only seen with international numbers. e.g. +61 (9) is the same as 0011 61 9 (International call, Australia, Western Australia, local number) Well he did say international, and I do think Australians are getting used to the idea of what country codes are for and how to dial the numbers. cheers, clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
On Monday 29 December 2008 12:00:01 Michele Renda wrote: Hello to all I would like to know how do you like to read the phone number: I try to explain: when we read a phone number we usually like to separe it with some spaces or signs: for example in Italy when someone give me a mobile phone number I usually write: +39 347 123456 Or if it is a fixed number: +39 02 123456 or +39 011 123456 But I know in USA is more common something like: +1-212-123456 Please, who has some time, can you please write your country (Italy, France, etc.) and the way how usually is normal to read a phone number in your country (with international prefix) The format I use to descrive is this: +39 ### * or +1-###-* (where # replace a char, and * replace all remaining chars) Thank you a lot for your time Michele Renda Hi, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_conventions_for_writing_telephone_numbers#United_Kingdom is about what i'd use - if you need to use international codes then just drop the 0 and add +44 but that's not how i usually see numbers written. IIRC 08* numbers can't be used as +448* but i may be wrong. Also there will be the whole range of shorter operator codes which people may need to save if they have a lot of different ones for different things on their network (I'm assuming that your asking about this for the contacts lists). Hope this helps (instead of the opposite), solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
In the UK the format varies depending on the length of the STD code (The digits following the country code). Most STD codes are 5 digits long (4 when using international format). City STD codes can range between 3 and 6 digits. The most common formats are shown below. Wikipedia has an excellent article on UK number formats - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_telephone_numbering_plan International +44 7xxx xxx xxx Mobile Phones +44 1xxx xxx xxx Landlines +44 2xxx xxx xxx Landlines +44 20 London National 07xxx xxx xxx Mobile Phones 01xxx xxx xxx Landlines 02xxx xxx xxx Landlines 020-- London Peter. Michele Renda wrote: Hello to all I would like to know how do you like to read the phone number: I try to explain: when we read a phone number we usually like to separe it with some spaces or signs: for example in Italy when someone give me a mobile phone number I usually write: +39 347 123456 Or if it is a fixed number: +39 02 123456 or +39 011 123456 But I know in USA is more common something like: +1-212-123456 Please, who has some time, can you please write your country (Italy, France, etc.) and the way how usually is normal to read a phone number in your country (with international prefix) The format I use to descrive is this: +39 ### * or +1-###-* (where # replace a char, and * replace all remaining chars) Thank you a lot for your time Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Interesting one. Note that there is a lot of convention but not always the optimal way. It is far more difficult to remember 837 12 463 than 8371 2463 although you might be trained for two's and three's, four's are better because you need less groups to remember. In the Netherlands different scheme's exist but I would fo for the following international notation: +316 1234 5678for mobile numbers +3130 123 4567for fixed numbers and national notation: 06 1234 5678 for mobile numbers 030 123 4567 for fixed numbers We used to have - where one should wait for a dail tone are the area code, but that is obsolute now so should be omitted. Sometimes the two formats get combined with like +31(0)6 1234 5678 but I would simply educate people and go with the international formats. People will learn how to use it and it looks better anyway. Personally I put them like +31612345678 in my Thunderbird address book for synchronisation with mobile addressbook. In this way nuymbers get accepted by the phone to dail. But the above is a good presentation format. So, when do we get a (Python) strftime variant called strfphone with default output formats for each country? Anyone? Regards, Pander Michele Renda wrote: Hello to all I would like to know how do you like to read the phone number: I try to explain: when we read a phone number we usually like to separe it with some spaces or signs: for example in Italy when someone give me a mobile phone number I usually write: +39 347 123456 Or if it is a fixed number: +39 02 123456 or +39 011 123456 But I know in USA is more common something like: +1-212-123456 Please, who has some time, can you please write your country (Italy, France, etc.) and the way how usually is normal to read a phone number in your country (with international prefix) The format I use to descrive is this: +39 ### * or +1-###-* (where # replace a char, and * replace all remaining chars) Thank you a lot for your time Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Swiss numbering plan (was: How do you like to read a phone number?)
Le Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:37:54 +0100, Michele Renda michele.re...@gmail.com a écrit : Il 29/12/2008 13:26, Alexandre Ghisoli ha scritto: It's not so easy, because there are many codes inside a country. For example, switzerland: +41 79 xxx xx xx But for voice boxes : +41 860 xx xxx xx xx Special services +41 [8-9]xx xxx xx xx The idea would be a syntax to allow the country specific need to be applied (aka numbering plan). Yes, this would be the idea. I am just working on this. I did it for Italian number. and I got very good results. Can you please give me a link to a site where is explained the switzerland prefix list? (if exist) Something like: http://www.comuni-italiani.it/tel/index.html Documents sents off-list. Swiss Gov. agency is OFCOM : http://www.bakom.admin.ch/themen/index.html?lang=en Regards -- Alexandre ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Il 29/12/2008 13:38, William Kenworthy ha scritto: Not really an issue, except for using a + like you do will totally confuse people here ... I am trying to make some ideas :) In this moment I am writing a dialer, and I am implementing a intelligent formatting functionality. About the first + yes, I am afraid people will be confused. So what I am implementing, will be easily deactivable. ( or better, deactivated by default). All is done by a config file (a very long csv) and this will implement two killer feature: feature, and number type recnowneldge. I think that if you try and implement a global one size suits everyone, you can only separate numbers with spaces (say every 3 or 4 digits) - to do anything more complicated you will need to look into internationalisation (or possibly user selectable from a number of choices) as everybodies ideas are different :( Ive seen some discussions on the asterisk list about how telephone numbers are allocated and designed across the world and its basicly an anarchic nightmare :) I like nightmare :) No, really, I want to try to make it cleared Try googling - there is enough detail to keep you happy for a long long while ... Thank you for your help! Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Hi, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_conventions_for_writing_telephone_numbers#United_Kingdom is about what i'd use - if you need to use international codes then just drop the 0 and add +44 but that's not how i usually see numbers written. IIRC 08* numbers can't be used as +448* but i may be wrong. Also there will be the whole range of shorter operator codes which people may need to save if they have a lot of different ones for different things on their network (I'm assuming that your asking about this for the contacts lists). Hope this helps (instead of the opposite), Thank you for your answer. It saw now this page on wikipedia it is a very good starting point! I just watched some interesting links, thank you. Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Swiss numbering plan
Il 29/12/2008 14:07, Alexandre Ghisoli ha scritto: Documents sents off-list. Swiss Gov. agency is OFCOM : http://www.bakom.admin.ch/themen/index.html?lang=en Yes, I received them. Thank you a lot! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Il 29/12/2008 13:54, Peter Strapp ha scritto: In the UK the format varies depending on the length of the STD code (The digits following the country code). Most STD codes are 5 digits long (4 when using international format). City STD codes can range between 3 and 6 digits. The most common formats are shown below. Wikipedia has an excellent article on UK number formats - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_telephone_numbering_plan International +44 7xxx xxx xxx Mobile Phones +44 1xxx xxx xxx Landlines +44 2xxx xxx xxx Landlines +44 20 London National 07xxx xxx xxx Mobile Phones 01xxx xxx xxx Landlines 02xxx xxx xxx Landlines 020-- London Peter. It would be so nice it all the country would be so easy :) Thank you for your time Michele Rneda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Michele Renda, 2008-12-29 13:27:45 +0100 : Il 29/12/2008 13:20, Roland Mas ha scritto: For France (+33), the usual format is +33 # ## ## ## ## (international format) or 0# ## ## ## ## (without the international prefix) Thank you for your answer. I have a question: this is valid for every number? (both Fix and Mobil?) Yes. Normal numbers in mainland France are 10 digits (including initial 0), as well as most special numbers (toll-free or premium-rate). That includes landlines, mobile phones, and the numbers provided by most ADSL ISPs when they provide VOIP to their subscribers. A few special numbers are shorter, such as the directory enquiries, some 4-digit numbers for rapid access to some large corporations or entities, and some 6-digit numbers that are (as far as I know) mostly used for sending SMS at a premium rate and get something in return (ringtones, background images, horoscopes and so on). And for you... for example... when you dial a number, is more easy to read a number in this format +33 # ## ## ## ## ? My personal preference is +33 # , but it is not very common. Most people don't know (or don't want to see) the +33 part, and they usually see (and write) five pairs of digits. and the last question... there is a rule in France to separate a fixed number / mobile number? Yes, although the IP/telephony convergence is blurring the line a bit. Historically, 01 to 05 numbers (+33 1 to +33 5) are geographical numbers corresponding to landlines. 06 numbers are mobile phones. 08 numbers are for special rates (toll-free or premium-rate) as well as VOIP. VOIP numbers are theoretically migrating to be 09, but not everyone knows or uses their 09 number. Also, some VOIP providers give numbers that look like they're geographical, whereas some others give out 08 or 09 numbers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_France has all the details. Roland. -- Roland Mas Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life -- Solid Jackson, in Jingo (Terry Pratchett) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Thank you for the very complete explanation I think the config for france will be very very short :) Best regards Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2008.12 - Can't receive SMS
+1, no problems for me! Provider for me is Vodafone UK. On Sun, December 28, 2008 09:40, Ed Kapitein wrote: Marc Bantle wrote: Anton Persson schrieb: Hi, I thought I would give the new 2008.12 release a good whirl for a few days, but I was stopped before I could start by this: I can't receive text sms messages... :-( Does anyone else have this problem? Is there a work-around? Works here. I haven't missed one so far. Marc +1 provider is t-mobile country is NL ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Regards, Jan Henkins ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:11:28 +0100 Michele Renda michele.re...@gmail.com babbled: Il 29/12/2008 13:38, William Kenworthy ha scritto: Not really an issue, except for using a + like you do will totally confuse people here ... I am trying to make some ideas :) In this moment I am writing a dialer, and I am implementing a intelligent formatting functionality. frankl;y - i did some research into this. the number of ways you can write just a SINGLE number (just thinking of a few): +61 413 123 456 (full intl from anywhere + is supported - until recently japan didn't support + as a intl dial prefix) 0011 61 413 123 456 (including specific intl call prefix instead of + from .au) 0018 61 413 123 456 (specifically use a different intl call provider from .au) 001 61 413 123 456 (call from japan using kddi telco) 0041 61 413 123 456 (call same number using japan telecom telco) 0413 123 456 (call number from within .au) thats a mobile number and for 1 country only. i covered just some options on calling it from 1 other country too - now look at all countries. now a local number adds a few levels: +61 2 1234 5678 (full intl) 0011 61 2 1234 5678 0018 61 2 1234 5678 001 61 2 1234 5678 0041 61 2 1234 5678 02 1234 5678 (call from anywhere in .au to the number) 1234 5678 (call from the 02 area code - i.e. NSW only) note the last one adds a call from inside area code. look at: http://www.kropla.com/dialcode.htm for some of the insanity that is just intl dialling codes - not to mention within-country area codes - and hell, even per telco. in reality after looking at this a bit i got to the conclusion crap - this is just going to need a filter plugin system where someone writes a formatting blob of code AND a number canonicaliser (to canonicalise ALL numbers to a single explicit/unique format - eg +61413123456 for example). the plugin would nee as input the current telco and country (get it from the gsm modem) and then the number - output would be either a canonicalised number so it can always match numbers for caller-id etc. correctly OR a formatted number which may add spaces, +'s or -'s in it as per user preferences (and don't forget it may want to color-code it... or even replace the +61 with a country flag (a .au flag for example) much like skype does. if you call within a telco on a mobile in .au - depending on telco. sometimes the calls are free within the telco (japan has this too for softbank last i checked). sometimes rates are just lower within a telco - so being able to also throw in some icon for the telco might be nice - or something to indicate it will be long distance, or a freecall, or high-charge (phone sex numbers?) etc. etc. sop once you expand the problem to its wider scope of basically not just being able to convert some shorthand phone number into a uniquely matchable numeric string but also being able to interpret it (format it, etc.) you really want to just make a plugin arch. then just write a plugin for a country you know well (your own) and have others write ones for theirs - make sure you have the ability to call the right plugin in the right circumstance. now you have split the problem up and let people solve it for every bizarre situation out there without you needing to do all the work :) About the first + yes, I am afraid people will be confused. So what I am implementing, will be easily deactivable. ( or better, deactivated by default). All is done by a config file (a very long csv) and this will implement two killer feature: feature, and number type recnowneldge. I think that if you try and implement a global one size suits everyone, you can only separate numbers with spaces (say every 3 or 4 digits) - to do anything more complicated you will need to look into internationalisation (or possibly user selectable from a number of choices) as everybodies ideas are different :( Ive seen some discussions on the asterisk list about how telephone numbers are allocated and designed across the world and its basicly an anarchic nightmare :) I like nightmare :) No, really, I want to try to make it cleared Try googling - there is enough detail to keep you happy for a long long while ... Thank you for your help! Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gsm0710muxd and OM 2008.12
Hi Jan,
I had the same problem and found an even dirtier sollution ;-)
I found that sometimes gsm0710muxd will give an /dev/pts/X but you can
not use it, there is no response from the modem.
And sometimes even stopping gsm0710muxd and starting it again would not
help.
so in order to have it working all the time i modified
/etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia
just below
export QTOPIA_PHONE_MUX=ficgta01
i added:
#---
echo 0 /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on
sleep 2
/etc/init.d/gsm0710muxd stop
sleep 2
killall -9 gsm0710muxd
sleep 2
echo 1 /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on
sleep 2
/etc/init.d/gsm0710muxd start
sleep 2
identvar=$(date +%s)
ptsvar=$(dbus-send --system --print-reply --type=method_call
--dest=org.pyneo.muxer /org/pyneo/Muxer
org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX.AllocChannel string:$identvar | grep string |
awk -F '' '{ print $2 }')
export QTOPIA_PHONE_DEVICE=$ptsvar
echo $QTOPIA_PHONE_DEVICE
#---
(the ptsvar line is one long line, it might be chopped up in the mail)
In my opinion, this will reset the modem no matter what.
and i removed gsm0710muxd from all run levels
( update-rc.d -f gsm0710muxd remove )
I am using stock 2008.12, nothing from another repro.
So far this is working flawlessly for me.
Inspired by the [FSO/SHR/debian] SMS location app, i wrote some scripts
to check for an incomming SMS and send me the GPS location of my FR.
So i needed the gsm0710muxd to read the SMS, while still being able to
use the phone.
Kind regards,
Ed
On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 14:07 +, Jan Henkins wrote:
Hello Eldon and Olivier,
Eldon, I've been scratching my head on this very same issue.
On Sun, December 28, 2008 08:31, Olivier Berger wrote:
Eldon Koyle eko...@gmail.com writes:
I just spent a while tracking down an issue with 2008.12 and
gsm0710muxd. I upgraded an FDOM image, so I'm not sure if anyone else
will see this problem, but just in case I thought I'd send this to the
list.
2008.12 was starting xserver-nodm before gsm0710muxd, so the dbus call
added in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia started a separate gsm0710muxd
process without any args before gsm0710muxd was started by init which
caused gsm0710muxd to fail to work.
A quick fix is to change xserver-nodm from S04 to S23 (gsm0710muxd is
22) or so in /etc/rc5.d .
Hmm, a dirty fix, but something I will try out. I will let you know if it
succeeded. BTW, I'm using the stock 2008.12 image with Illume (ASU *very*
broken...).
Well... and would you mind to share with us the problem you're trying
to solve ? It's far from obvious what this gsm0710muxd may be doing,
and how it's missing ;)
Olivier, it would seem to me that the issue is the following:
xserver-nodm starts up before gsm0710muxd. The problem comes in that qpe
needs to connect to a device, which is supposed to be created by
gsm0710muxd. This is neccessary in order to multiplex gsm and gprs,
otherwise you have an either/or situation (better to have both voice and
gprs, at least it is for me! ;-) Now, qpe complains that it cannot find
the device as configured in the 89qtopia file, and then dies. This is true
even if you launch qpe with app-restarter like this:
/usr/bin/app-restarter $QTOPIA_MESSAGE qpe 21 | logger
Doing a dirty fix like Eldon suggested *might* help, I will try and
confirm this on my FR.
Btw, did you file a ticket in the bug tracker ?
It seems to be a bit more complicated than simply filing a ticket, since
it is a strange situation to debug. To compound the issue, it would also
seem that gsm0710muxd might be the faulty link in the chain, since I could
not get it to work properly. Furthermore, I've been reading about random
hassles with gsm0710muxd on a few blogs here a there, where it is
reccommended to use the gsm0710muxd from the Angstrom repo instead of the
2008.x version. I found this to be a dicey route to follow, since
everything in Angstrom is newer than 2008.12, and you will end up having
to update just about the entire base due to dependencies. Ouch...
Maybe somebody else have experienced the same issue with gsm0710muxd in
2008.12? Please let us know. If we can get parity on actual version
numbers and replicate the problem between two or more people, we can then
file a bug with some proper debugging material for the OM guys to sink
their teeth into.
Speaking for myself, I would like to get this issue resolved so that I can
start using the FR gps properly (I'm mapping out my village for
Openstreetmap.org, and would like to upload saved tracks while I visually
track myself in the process).
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Re: Pulster offer - Freerunner 299 eur
Christoph Pulster wrote: Hello, some news from Openmoko Shop www.pulster.eu: some awesome news. kudos! - all orders will be included a German manual for free http://www.pulster.de/images/big/handbuch.jpg We are working on a english one. Will it be available on-line as a PDF? Will it be licensed under open (CC) license? Kind regards, -- Lech Karol Pawłaszek ike You will never see me fall from grace [KoRn] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pulster offer - Freerunner 299 eur
Well, due to the current exchange rate (my government have screwed up, royally), youmay be better off ordering from truebox.co.uk, where the Freerunner is £272 or ~277 EUR. My poor poor savings, and I was planning to emigrate. Damn you Gordon Brown -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Re%3A-Pulster-offer---Freerunner-299-eur-tp2089056p2089110.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2008.12 - Can't receive SMS
Actually, it works for me too now.. Haven't been able to reproduce it again.. Odd. On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Jan Henkins j...@henkins.za.net wrote: +1, no problems for me! Provider for me is Vodafone UK. On Sun, December 28, 2008 09:40, Ed Kapitein wrote: Marc Bantle wrote: Anton Persson schrieb: Hi, I thought I would give the new 2008.12 release a good whirl for a few days, but I was stopped before I could start by this: I can't receive text sms messages... :-( Does anyone else have this problem? Is there a work-around? Works here. I haven't missed one so far. Marc +1 provider is t-mobile country is NL ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Regards, Jan Henkins ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
On Monday 29 December 2008 14:16:15 Carsten Haitzler wrote: 1234 5678 (call from the 02 area code - i.e. NSW only) I may be wrong but (at least in UK) you don't need to worry about the local version of the number as mobiles need the full version with area code. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gsm0710muxd and OM 2008.12
I had a few problems with that myself, but they ended when I simply
removed all gsm0710muxd links from /etc/rc*.d/.
I think it gets launched on demand when you call it via dbus... and so
the 89qtopia line does the trick.
If you let it launch via 2 different ways at the same time, there
seems to be a race for modem control and QPE ends up loosing the battle.
This is working for me.
Citando Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org:
Hi Jan,
I had the same problem and found an even dirtier sollution ;-)
I found that sometimes gsm0710muxd will give an /dev/pts/X but you can
not use it, there is no response from the modem.
And sometimes even stopping gsm0710muxd and starting it again would not
help.
so in order to have it working all the time i modified
/etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia
just below
export QTOPIA_PHONE_MUX=ficgta01
i added:
#---
echo 0 /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on
sleep 2
/etc/init.d/gsm0710muxd stop
sleep 2
killall -9 gsm0710muxd
sleep 2
echo 1 /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on
sleep 2
/etc/init.d/gsm0710muxd start
sleep 2
identvar=$(date +%s)
ptsvar=$(dbus-send --system --print-reply --type=method_call
--dest=org.pyneo.muxer /org/pyneo/Muxer
org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX.AllocChannel string:$identvar | grep string |
awk -F '' '{ print $2 }')
export QTOPIA_PHONE_DEVICE=$ptsvar
echo $QTOPIA_PHONE_DEVICE
#---
(the ptsvar line is one long line, it might be chopped up in the mail)
In my opinion, this will reset the modem no matter what.
and i removed gsm0710muxd from all run levels
( update-rc.d -f gsm0710muxd remove )
I am using stock 2008.12, nothing from another repro.
So far this is working flawlessly for me.
Inspired by the [FSO/SHR/debian] SMS location app, i wrote some scripts
to check for an incomming SMS and send me the GPS location of my FR.
So i needed the gsm0710muxd to read the SMS, while still being able to
use the phone.
Kind regards,
Ed
On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 14:07 +, Jan Henkins wrote:
Hello Eldon and Olivier,
Eldon, I've been scratching my head on this very same issue.
On Sun, December 28, 2008 08:31, Olivier Berger wrote:
Eldon Koyle eko...@gmail.com writes:
I just spent a while tracking down an issue with 2008.12 and
gsm0710muxd. I upgraded an FDOM image, so I'm not sure if anyone else
will see this problem, but just in case I thought I'd send this to the
list.
2008.12 was starting xserver-nodm before gsm0710muxd, so the dbus call
added in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia started a separate gsm0710muxd
process without any args before gsm0710muxd was started by init which
caused gsm0710muxd to fail to work.
A quick fix is to change xserver-nodm from S04 to S23 (gsm0710muxd is
22) or so in /etc/rc5.d .
Hmm, a dirty fix, but something I will try out. I will let you know if it
succeeded. BTW, I'm using the stock 2008.12 image with Illume (ASU *very*
broken...).
Well... and would you mind to share with us the problem you're trying
to solve ? It's far from obvious what this gsm0710muxd may be doing,
and how it's missing ;)
Olivier, it would seem to me that the issue is the following:
xserver-nodm starts up before gsm0710muxd. The problem comes in that qpe
needs to connect to a device, which is supposed to be created by
gsm0710muxd. This is neccessary in order to multiplex gsm and gprs,
otherwise you have an either/or situation (better to have both voice and
gprs, at least it is for me! ;-) Now, qpe complains that it cannot find
the device as configured in the 89qtopia file, and then dies. This is true
even if you launch qpe with app-restarter like this:
/usr/bin/app-restarter $QTOPIA_MESSAGE qpe 21 | logger
Doing a dirty fix like Eldon suggested *might* help, I will try and
confirm this on my FR.
Btw, did you file a ticket in the bug tracker ?
It seems to be a bit more complicated than simply filing a ticket, since
it is a strange situation to debug. To compound the issue, it would also
seem that gsm0710muxd might be the faulty link in the chain, since I could
not get it to work properly. Furthermore, I've been reading about random
hassles with gsm0710muxd on a few blogs here a there, where it is
reccommended to use the gsm0710muxd from the Angstrom repo instead of the
2008.x version. I found this to be a dicey route to follow, since
everything in Angstrom is newer than 2008.12, and you will end up having
to update just about the entire base due to dependencies. Ouch...
Maybe somebody else have experienced the same issue with gsm0710muxd in
2008.12? Please let us know. If we can get parity on actual version
numbers and replicate the problem between two or more people, we can then
file a bug with some proper debugging material for the OM guys to sink
their teeth into.
Speaking for myself, I would like to get this issue resolved
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
George Brooke wrote: On Monday 29 December 2008 14:16:15 Carsten Haitzler wrote: 1234 5678 (call from the 02 area code - i.e. NSW only) I may be wrong but (at least in UK) you don't need to worry about the local version of the number as mobiles need the full version with area code. solar.george You're not wrong. I can't remember the last time I dialled a number without an area code, even when I've been in the same area. And yes, I'm pretty sure mobiles need the area code regardless. One thing that's been missing on a few phones (but is now fixed on others) that is useful is the ability to treat (where As are area code : 0 ## and +44 ## As the same number, when things like lookups occur, so that if you've entered someone's number in National format, but the network reports it to your phone in international format, it behaves the same. Similarly with dialling, whether I enter the number in national or international format it ought to use the full international number under the covers, so I don't get stuck re-entering numbers when I'm on holiday. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/How-do-you-like-to-read-a-phone-number--tp2083029p2089250.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Om2008.12 - can't close programs
Hello, I just upgraded my FreeRunner to Om2008.12 by following this[1] procedure. The upgrade appeared to work well, but therer is one little snag that I have found: when I open a program (for example settings), I normally close the program by pulling down the top shelf / menu / drawer (o whatever it is called) and select remove there. Now, here is the snag: when I pull down the top menu it is completely empty, all black, no icons, nothing except for the little triangle, the clock and the other status icons. So, where do I fiddle / change to get the missing things back in the top menu? I am still using the asu profile, if that makes a difference. References: 1) http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-December/037457.html -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:34:00 + George Brooke solar.geo...@googlemail.com babbled: On Monday 29 December 2008 14:16:15 Carsten Haitzler wrote: 1234 5678 (call from the 02 area code - i.e. NSW only) I may be wrong but (at least in UK) you don't need to worry about the local version of the number as mobiles need the full version with area code. same in .au - for mobiles, i'm just extending the problem in a generic way to landlines. just illustrating the fun of the system. :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Getting rid of Android
Well, here's the situation. I can power up into NAND or NOR uBoot. Option to boot from SD is available to me. If i do screen /dev/ttyACM0 on the host machine I get the bootloader command prompt and can run those commands (e.g. i can see the partition lists for both NOR and NAND). So it's not a full brick yet. However after several previous reflash attempts i'm pretty sure that Android installation is corrupted, as I can no longer boot into it. There's still a possibility of booting from SD card into a regular moko environment (one of) and maybe flashing from there... At least I hope that it will work. If not - i'll be looking for a person with a debug board in Vancouver :D Vasili. Gothnet wrote: Vasili Sviridov wrote: Not sure what has changed, but when I do dfu-util -l from both NOR and NAND uBoot i get this Found Runtime [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=3, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name=USB Device Firmware Upgrade and thats the only line in there. So i'm currently not even able to update the bootloader (as i hoped that'll allow me to see the rest of the partitions). Vasili You can't even update? That sounds pretty bad. If you get that from both NAN and NOR then you've got problems. I was going to suggest that maybe you follow the What if I borked my bootloader environment and don't get a prompt anymore? instructions here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader but if you get that from both then... Are you still running uboot or did you switch to the new thing? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Le Tue, 30 Dec 2008 03:04:32 +1100, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com a écrit : On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:34:00 + George Brooke solar.geo...@googlemail.com babbled: On Monday 29 December 2008 14:16:15 Carsten Haitzler wrote: 1234 5678 (call from the 02 area code - i.e. NSW only) I may be wrong but (at least in UK) you don't need to worry about the local version of the number as mobiles need the full version with area code. same in .au - for mobiles, i'm just extending the problem in a generic way to landlines. just illustrating the fun of the system. :) I suggest to work with E.164 numbering scheme only. In this case, you can populate your address book in full international number, without taking care of your location (i.e. don't add prefix when outside of your area / country). Now, it will be useful and really nice to have an presentation number shaper. It will automagically arrange the number you enter or your caller party number in a nice fashion, depending of your local preferences. But remember, today, with VoIP, some operators did not present number according to the ITU or RFC formats. So it will be hard to catch all the possible scenarios. BTW, it's not so hard to detect your operator's country, E.212 specify operators numbers and names, so FR could adapt the rules depending the operator ;) -- Alexandre Ghisoli ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
d) I'd like to avoid to use a specific class for every coutry. For now (until I will not find some very big problems) I would like to have a simple big text file with all the configuration. I did for Italy and seem to be pretty fast. well, whatever might be most common in a particular country has not necessarily to be the way an individual user likes to see it! i for one don't know, what is most popular in germany, and honestly, i don't care (soccer is very popular in germany, but i think it is execeptionally dull and stultifying). additionally: what if a user changes country (holidays, business trip, whatever) -- should the format of the number change as well? no, because the user is still the same. so, i'd suggest to simple add a regexp or so (for grouping in XX XX XX or or XX XX XXX) in a config file together with options for showing international prefix (+XX) and using space or - as separator. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Getting rid of Android
Well, if you can get sensible stuff out of u-boot then I suggest using the devirginator thing on the link I sent earlier to repare the uboot environmen. Then you should get back to a useful state. I used it to tweak the kernel partition size on the internal flash, so if (as I think you said before) you've got messed up partitions on the internal memory then it could well be the uboot environment that needs fixing. Can't hurt anyway, I wouldn't have thought. If the partition stuff is messed up then this should fix it and allow you to reflash with images as normal. Should fix your menu too, I also used it to fix the stuff that had been altered by the debian set up script. HTH Apologies if this gets to the list twice, my first attempt doesn't seem to have got through properly. Vasili Sviridov wrote: Well, here's the situation. I can power up into NAND or NOR uBoot. Option to boot from SD is available to me. If i do screen /dev/ttyACM0 on the host machine I get the bootloader command prompt and can run those commands (e.g. i can see the partition lists for both NOR and NAND). So it's not a full brick yet. However after several previous reflash attempts i'm pretty sure that Android installation is corrupted, as I can no longer boot into it. There's still a possibility of booting from SD card into a regular moko environment (one of) and maybe flashing from there... At least I hope that it will work. If not - i'll be looking for a person with a debug board in Vancouver :D Vasili. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Getting-rid-of-Android-tp1702369p2089460.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Getting rid of Android
Will it still work w/o debug board? All i got is the USB cable connection. Vasili Gothnet wrote: Well, if you can get sensible stuff out of u-boot then I suggest using the devirginator thing on the link I sent earlier to repare the uboot environmen. Then you should get back to a useful state. I used it to tweak the kernel partition size on the internal flash, so if (as I think you said before) you've got messed up partitions on the internal memory then it could well be the uboot environment that needs fixing. Can't hurt anyway, I wouldn't have thought. If the partition stuff is messed up then this should fix it and allow you to reflash with images as normal. Should fix your menu too, I also used it to fix the stuff that had been altered by the debian set up script. HTH Apologies if this gets to the list twice, my first attempt doesn't seem to have got through properly. Vasili Sviridov wrote: Well, here's the situation. I can power up into NAND or NOR uBoot. Option to boot from SD is available to me. If i do screen /dev/ttyACM0 on the host machine I get the bootloader command prompt and can run those commands (e.g. i can see the partition lists for both NOR and NAND). So it's not a full brick yet. However after several previous reflash attempts i'm pretty sure that Android installation is corrupted, as I can no longer boot into it. There's still a possibility of booting from SD card into a regular moko environment (one of) and maybe flashing from there... At least I hope that it will work. If not - i'll be looking for a person with a debug board in Vancouver :D Vasili. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pulster offer - Freerunner 299 eur
Price Truebox is 272 GBP + 15% VAT + 40 shipping = 405 eur with eur:gbp at almost 1:1 it is actually more like 360 eur ... Price Pulster is 299 eur incl. VAT + 15 shipping = 314 eur ... nevertheless it costs more than yours ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Navit language?
Am Sonntag, 28. Dezember 2008 01:12:48 schrieb Fox Mulder: export LANG=de_DE and spd-say -l de '%s' works for me to let navit speak german. Don't know anymore why it didn't work at that time. Thanks, I was missing the package locale-base-de-de which is not installed by default in FSO, now it works pretty good. Greets Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Getting rid of Android
Gothnet wrote: Vasili Sviridov wrote: Will it still work w/o debug board? All i got is the USB cable connection. Vasili yeah, me too :) Worked just fine. Follow the instructions on that page - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#What_if_I_borked_my_bootloader_environment_and_don.27t_get_a_prompt_anymore.3F Apply a little common sense and edit some of the files if you're not trying to achieve a complete reset of the uboot env (though I think you are) and it should be. I'm not saying that this is definitely your problem, but it sounds like it to me, and I don't think it can actually hurt your phone right now either. Though if it is your partition table that's b0rked then you may want to edit the environment.in file too, I found it pretty easy to read. It would be nice for an actual OM dev or representative to chime in here and tell me if I'm barking up the wrong tree Have a play I guess. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Getting-rid-of-Android-tp1702369p2089518.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Navit speech dispatcher and ß
Hi, does anybody know how to configure speech dispatcher. I use it the following way: spd-say -l de '%s' The only problem I have is that it cannot say the german letter ß it always pronounces it EsZett instead of s In Navit that's a big problem because the german word for street is Straße Any idea? Greets Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pulster offer - Freerunner 299 eur
arne anka wrote: Price Truebox is 272 GBP + 15% VAT + 40 shipping = 405 eur with eur:gbp at almost 1:1 it is actually more like 360 eur ... Price Pulster is 299 eur incl. VAT + 15 shipping = 314 eur ... nevertheless it costs more than yours ;-) I don't want to get into a pissing contest here, but the truebox price includes VAT, I bought mine from them at that price back in the summer. Unless somehow I managed to avoid paying VAT or just forgot to look at the actual price... weird. OK, having looked at their website it seems I'm just ignorant. 299 EUR including taxes is a great deal from pulster! -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Re%3A-Pulster-offer---Freerunner-299-eur-tp2089056p2089574.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pulster offer - Freerunner 299 eur
2008/12/29 Christoph Pulster openm...@pulster.de: - we are offering Openmoko Freerunner units now for 299 eur. This is AFAIK best price worldwide. GroupSales 10 units = 279 eur/each Besides me, is there anyone on the list in/near Cambridge or London (UK) who would like to be part of a bulk order (10 units or more)? If so, please could you post to the list (or to me directly, if you prefer, in which case I won't announce your name)? If we can get ten buyers, we could all save a bit of money... I'd also be interested in the debug board, and I see that pulster.de is offering a 10EUR/unit discount for orders of 5 or more units. So, again, if you'd like one too, let me know. Regards, Sam PS. I've cc'd the Cambridge LUG, because I know at least one member of that list has been thinking about buying a FreeRunner... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gsm0710muxd and OM 2008.12
Jan Henkins wrote:
SNIP
echo 1 /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on
Off-topic question: Is there something similar to this in order to get the
GPS to start up?
sure,
echo 1 /sys/bus/platform/drivers/neo1973-pm-gps/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron
for power on and
echo 0 /sys/bus/platform/drivers/neo1973-pm-gps/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron
to power it back off again
Inspired by the [FSO/SHR/debian] SMS location app, i wrote some scripts
to check for an incomming SMS and send me the GPS location of my FR.
So i needed the gsm0710muxd to read the SMS, while still being able to
use the phone.
Hmm, this sounds *very* interesting! Do you mind sharing? Maybe start a
new thread for a discussion along these lines? Apart from some interesting
security applications (in case somebody is stupid enough to steal my FR),
I can think of a whole raft of interesting funky things I would like to
play with in this regard (auto-jokes via fortune or something similarly
hare-brained).
It is great fun, and i don't mind sharing at all. but everything is in
dutch and in a real developer state.
(lots of files, dirty scripts, you know how it is...)
but the general outline is:
make a script to read all your sms text messages and grep for a cue line
( i use: please call +129876543)
Perhaps my phone is not stolen, but i just lost it. this way people who
find it, will know how to contact me.
restart the script with /etc/apm/resume.d/89checksms-resume, so the
incomming text message will wake the phone and triggers the script.
if the cue line is found, stop the phone from going to sleep (xset
-display :0 s off) and start the gps module.
use gpspipe -r and gpsbabel to translate the nmea track to a gpx track
so you will have normal lat long values.
after the gpx file has sane values, send an sms with those values to a
pre-configured number and look them up at:
http://www.openstreetmap.com/?mlat=51.980619167mlon=4.358206833zoom=19
i have the script waiting for an hour, and if no gps fix is obtained in
that time i stop the scripts and send a message that it didn't work out.
to read the sms text messages i use the following:
ptsvar=$(dbus-send --system --print-reply --type=method_call
--dest=org.pyneo.muxer /org/pyneo/Muxer
org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX.AllocChannel string:$identvar | grep string |
awk -F '' '{ print $2 }')
export MODEM=$ptsvar
chat -s -S -V -v -f /my/chat/file ${MODEM} ${MODEM}
and the /my/chat/file contains:
TIMEOUT 15
\K\K\K\d+++ATH
OK-AT-OK ATZ
OK ATE0
ABORT BUSY
ABORT DELAYED
ABORT NO ANSWER
ABORT NO DIALTONE
ABORT VOICE
ABORT ERROR
ABORT RINGING
OK AT+CFUN=1
OK AT+COPS
OK AT+CMGF=1
OK AT+CMGL=ALL
CLR_ABORT
ABORT OK
Have fun with it and if you can't make the scripts yourself, i will try
to clean mine up and translate them into english, but please try it
yourself first,
it is fun, it is educational and it is customized for *your* needs.
Kind regards,
Ed
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Re: [Debian] Problem with qi and sd-card
Hi, Fox Mulder quakem...@gmx.net writes: And another thing is that i don't know how to switch to nand booting when powerup my freerunner. At the moment i only use debian from sd-card, but for testing purpose i have 2008.12 installed on nand. But now with qi i can't boot from nand as long as i have my sd-card put it. I think i read somewhere that it is possible to skip a boot partition in qi but i can't find it anymore. :/ Press AUX while you see the red LED (first time). FR will vibrate to indicate it skips this boot possibility and will switch to the next one. As to your console messages, i think they should be considered non-essential for now. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] navit: rendering is slow
i use navit on regularly routes over 120km with no performance problems on SHR (voice enabled). - which gui? - which version? - which map (size of area covered)? - care to post your navit.xml? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] Problem with qi and sd-card
now with qi i can't boot from nand as long as i have my sd-card put it. You can still boot from NOR. Power off your phone. Press and hold AUX button, then press POWER button. You will get to u-boot in NOR wich can boot your 2008.12. Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] Problem with qi and sd-card
Paul Fertser wrote: Hi, Fox Mulder quakem...@gmx.net writes: And another thing is that i don't know how to switch to nand booting when powerup my freerunner. At the moment i only use debian from sd-card, but for testing purpose i have 2008.12 installed on nand. But now with qi i can't boot from nand as long as i have my sd-card put it. I think i read somewhere that it is possible to skip a boot partition in qi but i can't find it anymore. :/ Press AUX while you see the red LED (first time). FR will vibrate to indicate it skips this boot possibility and will switch to the next one. After i power up with the POWER button the red led flashes shortly and it vibrated one short time without any interaction from my side. Maybe this comes from the fact that my first bootable partition is the second one on sd-card. But when i press the AUX button the red led flashes again but it didn't vibrate and still boots from sd-card. Is there any specific time frame in which i have to press the AUX button? And is there any better documentation to the possible qi functions than in the wiki because it lacks for example the whole AUX button functionality? Radek Polak wrote: You can still boot from NOR. Power off your phone. Press and hold AUX button, then press POWER button. You will get to u-boot in NOR which can boot your 2008.12. Your are right, this is still possible and i totally forgot about this option. But it would be nice if i could do this with the same bootloader (qi). :) Ciao, Rainer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] navit: rendering is slow
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:38:51 +0100 arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de (AA) wrote: i use navit on regularly routes over 120km with no performance problems on SHR (voice enabled). - which gui? gui type=internal/ - which version? r...@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg list_installed | grep navit navit - svn-1850 - i will update probably later on today again... - which map (size of area covered)? selection for CZ created and downloaded via http://maps.navit-project.org/download/ r...@om-gta02 ~ $ ls -la .navit/czech_republic_navit.bin -rw-r--r--1 root root 58697573 Dec 22 2008 .navit/czech_republic_navit.bin - care to post your navit.xml? attached, my only changes against shipped navit.xml from about Dec 22 are: speech type=cmdline data=espeak -s 100 -v english --stdout '%s' | aplay /dev/null amp; / map type=binfile enabled=yes data=/home/root/.navit/czech_republic_navit.bin/ -- Petr Vaněk http://biodynamika.cz navit.xml.gz Description: GNU Zip compressed data ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] Problem with qi and sd-card
Hi, Fox Mulder quakem...@gmx.net writes: Paul Fertser wrote: Fox Mulder quakem...@gmx.net writes: And another thing is that i don't know how to switch to nand booting when powerup my freerunner. At the moment i only use debian from sd-card, but for testing purpose i have 2008.12 installed on nand. But now with qi i can't boot from nand as long as i have my sd-card put it. I think i read somewhere that it is possible to skip a boot partition in qi but i can't find it anymore. :/ Press AUX while you see the red LED (first time). FR will vibrate to indicate it skips this boot possibility and will switch to the next one. After i power up with the POWER button the red led flashes shortly and it vibrated one short time without any interaction from my side. Maybe this comes from the fact that my first bootable partition is the second one on sd-card. Yes, that's correct. But when i press the AUX button the red led flashes again but it didn't vibrate and still boots from sd-card. Is there any specific time frame in which i have to press the AUX button? I think you have to press the button during the read. The red led will be turned on trying to mount partition, turned off on error of any kind (with vibration) or on starting of kernel pull, turned on again after the kernel is fully loaded to memory, turned off just before starting the kernel. And is there any better documentation to the possible qi functions than in the wiki because it lacks for example the whole AUX button functionality? Qi source, of course ;) -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pulster offer - Freerunner 299 eur (Sam Kuper)
If so, please could you post to the list (or to me directly, if you prefer, in which case I won't announce your name)? If we can get ten buyers, we could all save a bit of money... Hi, have you checked here? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Group_sales#England___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.12] Qwerty keyboard and wrench
After using the neo for a while, again the qwerty keyboard disappears and I have to reboot to have it back. i've the same problem, but only sometimes, not very often. i've made a dirty patch package[1,2,3] for illume-theme-asu (0.0+svnr4783-r7.04) a few days ago, it works great. most of the time there is even no need to set QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1 anymore, but as you said i discovered that sometimes qtopia takes over and suddenly illume's keyboard is gone and the qtopia eyboard reapperars. after a rm -fr ~/.e ; /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart the illume keyboard is back again. the reason is that illume sets kbd.use_internal=0 in illume.module.cfg, no idea why. this patch also brings back the wrench, but the problem is that the content of the subdialogs are shifted right, out of the visible area, see the screenshot[4]. i've no idea why that happens, or how to fix it, does anyone have an idea? buergi [1] http://pbuergi.pb.funpic.de/openmoko/pkgs/activate-illume-keyboard_0.1_armv4t.opk [2] http://pbuergi.pb.funpic.de/openmoko/pkgs/activate-illume-keyboard.tar.gz [3] http://pbuergi.pb.funpic.de/openmoko/howtos/howto_illume_kbd.txt [4] http://pbuergi.pb.funpic.de/openmoko/illume-cfg-dialog.jpg ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
On 29 Dec 2008, at 12:00, Michele Renda wrote: ... I try to explain: when we read a phone number we usually like to separe it with some spaces or signs: I'm in the UK; I would most always format a number so that the last 6 digits are in two groups of 3. This generally means reading a 4 or 5 digit area code first, then 321 pause 456. The wikipedia article posted by someone else tends to confirm the 4 or 5 digit area code first for me, as it states UK numbers to be 10 or 11 digits long. Note, however, that I would most always use 0207 or 0208 xxx yyy for London numbers - I personally would not use 020, or group the 7 or 8 with the next set of digits. This is probably because I remember when they changed London numbers from 01 to 020 and then subsequently added the 7 8 depending upon whether the destination was in inner- or outer-London respectively. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 6:00 AM, Michele Renda michele.re...@gmail.comwrote: snip But I know in USA is more common something like: +1-212-123456 snip That's close, the traditional way of writing it is (651) 867-5309 or else 651-867-5309. It the number requires a 1, for instance in a toll free number, it's: 1-888-867-5309. I don't think I've ever even seen the + on a phone number, in this country, anywhere but in Skype and on my Freerunner. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
That's because nobody outside the US wants to talk to us these days, anyway. ;) (d) --- Damian A. Spriggs Writer: Weekly World Shrew http://www.weeklyworldshrew.com On Dec 29, 2008, at 5:20 PM, Pat Barrett wrote: That's close, the traditional way of writing it is (651) 867-5309 or else 651-867-5309. It the number requires a 1, for instance in a toll free number, it's: 1-888-867-5309. I don't think I've ever even seen the + on a phone number, in this country, anywhere but in Skype and on my Freerunner. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
U.S. 1.973.555. On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 7:00 AM, Michele Renda michele.re...@gmail.comwrote: Hello to all I would like to know how do you like to read the phone number: I try to explain: when we read a phone number we usually like to separe it with some spaces or signs: for example in Italy when someone give me a mobile phone number I usually write: +39 347 123456 Or if it is a fixed number: +39 02 123456 or +39 011 123456 But I know in USA is more common something like: +1-212-123456 Please, who has some time, can you please write your country (Italy, France, etc.) and the way how usually is normal to read a phone number in your country (with international prefix) The format I use to descrive is this: +39 ### * or +1-###-* (where # replace a char, and * replace all remaining chars) Thank you a lot for your time Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
2008/12/29 Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk: Note, however, that I would most always use 0207 or 0208 xxx yyy Need one more y there: 0207 or 0208 xxx . for London numbers - I personally would not use 020, or group the 7 or 8 with the next set of digits. This is probably because I remember when they changed London numbers from 01 to 020 and then subsequently added the 7 8 depending upon whether the destination was in inner- or outer-London respectively. But technically, I believe that 020 is the area code - in the sense that when you're using a landline in an 0208 place (i.e. outer London), you can call 7xxx without dialling the area code, and vice versa. For this reason I personally prefer writing 020 [78]xxx . Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
On Monday 29 of December 2008 13:00:01 Michele Renda wrote: Please, who has some time, can you please write your country (Italy, France, etc.) and the way how usually is normal to read a phone number in your country (with international prefix) The format I use to descrive is this: +39 ### * or +1-###-* (where # replace a char, and * replace all remaining chars) Thank you a lot for your time Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Czech Republic: +420 xxx yyy yyy where xxx is two or three digit preselection of city or mobile operator and yyy yyy is actual phone number. -- Ing. Radek Bartoň Faculty of Information Technology Department of Computer Graphics and Multimedia Brno University of Technology E-mail: black...@post.cz Web: http://blackhex.no-ip.org Jabber: black...@jabber.cz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 11:52 PM, clare johnstone clar...@gmail.com wrote: Well he did say international, and I do think Australians are getting used to the idea of what country codes are for and how to dial the numbers. I wouldn't bet on it, we're still pretty backward :-) number patterns I'm familiar with (already mostly noted by above posters) in international format: +61 n for fixed line n=(2,3,5,7 or 8) +61 4XX XXX XXX for mobile. other notes: calling Internationally from Australia the + is replaced with 0011 automatically. obviously the + form is preferred as it can be used anywhere. (fixed line from within area) 0n - for normal fixed line phones: 0=national prefix, (2,3,5,7 or 8) *the 5 is not in use now, but may be used for VoIP phones in the future. numbers can be broken down to identify states and areas if you wish, eg. it could say ACT for all numbers starting with 0262 * 04XX XXX XXX - mobile phones, do not break these up like fixed line phones. the second and third digit could once identify the carrier but with number portability this is no longer the case. IMPORTANT - Australians will have these in their phones: smartnumbers only for use within Australia - not compatible with international prefix. local call rate: 13X XXX 13 XX XX (alternative form) 13 (least used form, but it is the one in the official doco). 1300 XXX XXX free (from fixed lines): 1800 XXX XXX premium rate (competitions, phone sex, etc.) 190X XXX XXX other special numbers (eg. directory assistance) starting with 12 and of no set length are all run together, eg: 12 12XXX 12XX 12X if they are really long, it would probably be good to break them up, usually these numbers are used only for testing purposes by the phone companies, but enforcing a 3 digit break from right hand side could be smart, eg: 12X XXX XXX XXX XXX etc. additionally the carriers will have special numbers for voicemail etc. eg; 111 333 321, etc. emergency, maybe good to highlight this in some way 000 - Australia's emergency number, pretty sure this only works with SIM card and maybe only on your network. 112 - works in phone even without SIM card, dials on any network. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] Problem with qi and sd-card
Hi Fox Mulder wrote: Today i changed from u-boot to qi from [1] for my GTA02. I added /boot to my rootfs and copied the kernel as uImage-GTA02.bin in it. For my first try i added the append-GTA02 with console=tty0 loglevel=8 to see if it works. After this worked very good to boot debian from my sd-card i removed the append-GTA02 file to speed up the boot process a bit. But now i have two lines of output which irritates me a bit. - s3c2410_udc: debugfs dir creation failed -19 power_supply bat: driver faild to report 'status' properly - After ~30 seconds X starts and everything goes on as expected. Therefore i think this message is no problem, but i want to know if i had made something wrong? Also interesting is that the message says s3c2410 even that i flashed the s3c2442 version for GTA02. And another thing is that i don't know how to switch to nand booting when powerup my freerunner. At the moment i only use debian from sd-card, but for testing purpose i have 2008.12 installed on nand. But now with qi i can't boot from nand as long as i have my sd-card put it. I think i read somewhere that it is possible to skip a boot partition in qi but i can't find it anymore. :/ From Qi README Line 107: - You can disable a partition for boot by creating /boot/noboot-devicename, eg, /boot/noboot-GTA02, it will skip it and check the next partition Ciao, Rainer [1] http://people.openmoko.org/andy/qi-s3c2442-master_a2d11c4dd18c9517.udfu ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pulster offer - Freerunner 299 eur (Sam Kuper)
2008/12/29 Anthony Clearn acle...@yahoo.co.uk: [Sam Kuper wrote: ] If so, please could you post to the list (or to me directly, if you prefer, in which case I won't announce your name)? If we can get ten buyers, we could all save a bit of money... Hi, have you checked here? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Group_sales#England Hi Anthony, Nope, I hadn't. I wasn't previously aware of that page, so thanks for pointing it out :) Dear all, Obviously, with a wiki page available for the purpose of co-ordinating group-buy efforts, emailing me to show your interest would be less useful than it would otherwise have been, so please don't bother now. Sorry for the noise. Sam ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
could neo record from a helmet cam?
as a webcam can be used: http://n2.nabble.com/Using-a-webcam-on-the-Openmoko-tp1314188p1314188.html could a helmet cam be used and the feed recorded? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/could-neo-record-from-a-helmet-cam--tp2090965p2090965.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
qpe error using 2008.12: anyone know the reason? the solution?
Hi, Freshly installed 2008.12 kernel and rootfs FreeRunner. Every time, up booting, I get a pop-up box with the message: Application Error The qpe process vanished. This is bad. This is not meant to happen and is likelty a sign of a bug in Qtopia. Please try to reproduce... (F1) Restart (F2) Exit FR is then hung but alive enough that holding the power button does eventually cause it to power down. Any suggestions? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 17:22 +0100, Michele Renda wrote: Hello, thank you for your complete email! My idea in about these points: a) Who now has a freerunner is someone that is a bit an advanced user. And I think a lot of people don't like all these ambiguities on phone number. I think a phone number must to be as unique is possible (in must not be different if I have to be called from a person that live near to me or from my uncle that live in Japan). So I'd like to force (ok... not really forced, but encourage) people to dial the number with international prefix. (but with some ticks to don't press too much buttons) A question: if you always dial a local number with the international and STD prefixes (which is what I think you are suggesting here) - under what regime will you get charged??? As a local call, or an international call? Could get *VERY* expensive :) BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community newsletter
Thank you for the great newsletter. Great job Brenda Minh Ha Duong ??: Hi everybody, This is Openmoko community community newsletter #8, year's end issue. This couple of weeks were packed with lots of action. Openmoko released the 2008.12 distribution upgrade and Koolu released its first Android beta. Both these were very expected and, actually contained no surprise at all, since the developpement process is completely open. Administration for projects.openmoko.org was transferred to knowledgeable community member Armin Ranjbar (nickname: zoup), and opkg.org got a complete overhaul. Contents * 1 Distributions * 2 New applications * 3 Applications updates * 4 Community * 5 Hardware * 6 Tips and tricks This is retrieved from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/December_29th%2C_2008 which has all the good links in Distributions * Om 2008.12 Update is out ! This is the fastest, latest and probably last of the ASU familly line of distributions. Officially upgrades 2008.9, optimized with faster boot, volume control during phonecall, and much more. Read the announcement, then go to the download dir. * Android. Koolu announced their first beta release. Based on Sean's image, Wendy from Openmoko produced test reports (PDF) concluding that Android Image On Freerunner really looks good, but [...] not ready to be a daily phone yet. Interesting applications waiting to be fixed to work on Freerunner include bluetooth, wifi, GPS, browser... * hackable:1 announced (documentation). Led by Marcus Bauer of TangoGPS fame, this project aims to implement the GNOME Mobile stack on top of Debian on FreeRunner. Its installation is specially simple: download the tarball, unpack the files on a 2 GB SD card, put the card in the FreeRunner. * Telefoninux 0.01 is out. First alpha release for this Debian-optimized distro. * Bytestore points out an augmented 2008.12 image with russian keyboard, GPRS and other goodies. New applications * Carlo released OpenVibe, the first opensource vibrator :) Pander also offers an open source MIDlet in a JAR to control the vibrator function. We are still waiting for test reports tought. * Yann released meooem 0.0.1, a realtime weather notifier opkg page. Setup the displayed city in /etc/meooem.conf. * Ilja pushed out version 0.1.0 of om-manager, a python Freerunner manager: flash, backup, get logs, manage packages, VNC (if x11vnc is installed on the phone). * Valéry released Neon, a simple Python/EFL image viewer, designed to be lightweight, fast, and easy to use. * Nathan shared his GPRS launcher script and the ipk for Gtkdialog it uses. The script can be used to start the connection, stop the connection, or to simply find out the current GPRS status. * Openmoko's next generation telephony, messaging and addressbook application paroli was merged with tichy, the application starter. So opkg install tichy, setup according to Mirko's email, and enjoy. * Angus offers a where are you now daemon that can SMS back its location upon request. * Chris submits for testing the prototype for a fullscreen keyboard. * A dutch keyboard for illume. * Daniel MT released Bright Player 0.1, a lightweight, quick and easy random music player for OM2008.X based distributions. * Last but not least, Josh shares an IMAP Mail reader and a collection of scripts to manage launching applications, control wifi, power, screen etc. Initially developped on 2007.2, most ported to Debian. Applications updates * OpenMoocow 0.3 released. Changes include: better graphics from openclipart.org by bsantos, more responsive, kernel 2.6.28 new sysfs paths ready, thinkpad HDAPS merged in. * ZOMG!, an opkg frontend, updated. Faster, cacao and jamvm compatible (jamvm still recommended). * navit, a drivers' GPS navigation system (trac) is being optimized for the FreeRunner by Christian Anke and others. * Damian A. Spriggs started working on a MAME port. The Multimedia Arcade Machine Emulator is a must for all retro-gamers out there. I can't wait to play P*c-M*n and G*l*xi*n again on my subway commute ! * Angus updated pymixer.py to use the FSO framework. It should automatically detect scenario changes and update the mixers now. Put fsomixer.py into /usr bin and chmod +x it. volume_fso.desktop goes into /usr/share/applications. * The Zedlock screen locker rewritten and re-released as 0.1 functional prototype. * siglaunchd, a daemon which listens to dbus signals and runs applications accordingly, got regular expressions (string patterns) matching, and was ported to C. For example, one can set the aux button to launch the dialer and the other can set a sound when screen is dimmed with as little as no effort. * Homezoneapplet 0.2. An applet and daemon to display the O2
Re: qpe error using 2008.12: anyone know the reason? the solution?
Yes, read the mailing list - especially the last bit of yesterdays newsletter ... Hint: search the mailing list for segfault or engine This is coming up almost once a day ... BillK On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 18:20 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi, Freshly installed 2008.12 kernel and rootfs FreeRunner. Every time, up booting, I get a pop-up box with the message: Application Error The qpe process vanished. This is bad. This is not meant to happen and is likelty a sign of a bug in Qtopia. Please try to reproduce... (F1) Restart (F2) Exit FR is then hung but alive enough that holding the power button does eventually cause it to power down. Any suggestions? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qpe error using 2008.12: anyone know the reason? the solution?
Thanks! I was afraid it was previously discussed but I did an Internet search for openmoko and qpe and found nothing. It should have picked it up from the archives. This should also be listed in the known issues section of 2008.12. I'll add it once I find the references you hint at. Can you provide a slightly more limited hint? I expect the words segfault and engine will appear for many other topics. Thanks, Michael William Kenworthy wrote: Yes, read the mailing list - especially the last bit of yesterdays newsletter ... Hint: search the mailing list for segfault or engine This is coming up almost once a day ... BillK On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 18:20 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi, Freshly installed 2008.12 kernel and rootfs FreeRunner. Every time, up booting, I get a pop-up box with the message: Application Error The qpe process vanished. This is bad. This is not meant to happen and is likelty a sign of a bug in Qtopia. Please try to reproduce... (F1) Restart (F2) Exit FR is then hung but alive enough that holding the power button does eventually cause it to power down. Any suggestions? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qpe error using 2008.12: anyone know the reason? the solution?
Bill, are you referring to the issue when using the illume theme instead of ASU? I'm using stock ASU. William Kenworthy wrote: Yes, read the mailing list - especially the last bit of yesterdays newsletter ... Hint: search the mailing list for segfault or engine This is coming up almost once a day ... BillK On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 18:20 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi, Freshly installed 2008.12 kernel and rootfs FreeRunner. Every time, up booting, I get a pop-up box with the message: Application Error The qpe process vanished. This is bad. This is not meant to happen and is likelty a sign of a bug in Qtopia. Please try to reproduce... (F1) Restart (F2) Exit FR is then hung but alive enough that holding the power button does eventually cause it to power down. Any suggestions? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qpe error using 2008.12: anyone know the reason? the solution?
yes, with the illume theme - I hav not heard of the problem otherwise. If so, you may have something new and its worthy of a bugreport. BillK On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 20:41 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: Bill, are you referring to the issue when using the illume theme instead of ASU? I'm using stock ASU. William Kenworthy wrote: Yes, read the mailing list - especially the last bit of yesterdays newsletter ... Hint: search the mailing list for segfault or engine This is coming up almost once a day ... BillK On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 18:20 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi, Freshly installed 2008.12 kernel and rootfs FreeRunner. Every time, up booting, I get a pop-up box with the message: Application Error The qpe process vanished. This is bad. This is not meant to happen and is likelty a sign of a bug in Qtopia. Please try to reproduce... (F1) Restart (F2) Exit FR is then hung but alive enough that holding the power button does eventually cause it to power down. Any suggestions? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qpe error using 2008.12: anyone know the reason? the solution?
thanks for the confirmation. i'll play around a bit more and see what i can discover. by the way, a reflash made it go away, so it definitely was caused by something i did. now i'll do again slowly and paying attention. m William Kenworthy wrote: yes, with the illume theme - I hav not heard of the problem otherwise. If so, you may have something new and its worthy of a bugreport. BillK On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 20:41 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: Bill, are you referring to the issue when using the illume theme instead of ASU? I'm using stock ASU. William Kenworthy wrote: Yes, read the mailing list - especially the last bit of yesterdays newsletter ... Hint: search the mailing list for segfault or engine This is coming up almost once a day ... BillK On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 18:20 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi, Freshly installed 2008.12 kernel and rootfs FreeRunner. Every time, up booting, I get a pop-up box with the message: Application Error The qpe process vanished. This is bad. This is not meant to happen and is likelty a sign of a bug in Qtopia. Please try to reproduce... (F1) Restart (F2) Exit FR is then hung but alive enough that holding the power button does eventually cause it to power down. Any suggestions? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
