Re: [Report] - Buzz fix
Hi Steve, many thanks to you guys for finally fixing the Buzz Issue. Is there any procedure defined by OM how the non-DIY-guys can fix their phones? As DIY will break warranty (given by reseller) i have to rely on a way supported by OM. Greetings Torsten On Friday 26 December 2008 07:19:41 Steve Mosher wrote: Thanks.. I should have pointed out that if people can do before and after recordings that would be exceptionally cool. I guess I shoulda asked B4 xmas. If you've done a fix, send me photos, your contact information and I'll send you some belated gifts for the holiday. Special bonus for people who post vids. Just send a mail to elsie, chelsea and me and we'll decide on some goodies. Maybe Sean can do a special T shirt for the DIY masters. Michael Zanetti wrote: Hi! I just wanted to let you know that I have applied the Buzz fix to my Freerunner revision A5 according to this [1] paper and indeed the buzz is completely gone. Including the echo fix my Neo converted from the coolest toy to the coolest _phone_ I've ever had. I'm flashing 2008.12 right now. *very excited* Very big thanks to everyone involved working out this one! And thank you openmoko (the whole team) for this wonderful product! Michael [1] http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big- C_rework_SOP__DRAFT3__.pdf ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [debian] navit: rendering is slow
Hi there, But the problem is that the map is vry slow in 3D mode. I tried it on my pc first and it needed ~5s to drag the map from A to B. I think the problem is that in 3D mode navit still shows all items on the map which results in overfilling at the horizon. I attached a screenshot from my pc which shows the problem. Don't forget that 3D support is really new, and still alpha ;) There are probably a lot of optimizations that can be done, and will be in the next days. Thanks anyway for your reports, and stay tuned! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Zhone frequent wake
On my (mostly) 2008.12 system, having zhone running causes the system to wake from suspend just about every minute. This is a detriment to battery life, as one might imagine. I have been poking around inside the code for zhone and tried disabling various timers and dbus hooks that I thought could be related, but have had no success. Does anyone else happen to see this behaviour and have a clue that might lead me in the right direction? -- Dylan Maxwell Reilly ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When will kernel 2.6.24 be replaced by andy 2.6.28 kernel for better suspend/resume?
On Monday 05 January 2009 15:29:54 Fox Mulder wrote: If you give me a hint how to activate this feature i will try it. But i have to say that most times i tried suspend zhone was not running and therefore my gsm wasn't activated. On /etc/frameworkd.conf [ogsmd] ti_calypso_deep_sleep = never modemtype = ti_calypso ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car Charger?
Citando Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org: Shouldn't it have to be 2A ? Why should it? If the FR can charge at 3 different rates (100, 500, 1000mA), any charger that can give 500 or 1000mA is good enough... it all depends on how much time you want to wait for a charge... ;) I tested it right now, and it does charge. The problem is that this Trust car cigarette lighter USB charger does not have the ID pin resistor [1]. Even when using a standard USB-to-miniUSB cable the FR recognizes the charger as a 100mA host port (and charges at 100mA, which is not good enough). So I used the sysfs entries in [2] to force it to 500mA and 1000mA and all went well - it can charge just fine, but has to be forced because there is no auto detection. So now I just install the usb charging control scripts in [2]... :) [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_charger [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Forcing_fast_charge_mode Happy hacking! Vasco. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Zhone frequent wake
sounds like network changes (signal quality etc). i've seen that with 2007.2 only and put some at commands in a file to execute when suspending. with fso there were no such awakenings. below /sys there's a file indicating what caused the wake up, search the archives, probably july/august. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Michele Renda wrote: Hello to all I would like to know how do you like to read the phone number: I try to explain: when we read a phone number we usually like to separe it with some spaces or signs: for example in Italy when someone give me a mobile phone number I usually write: +39 347 123456 Or if it is a fixed number: +39 02 123456 or +39 011 123456 But I know in USA is more common something like: +1-212-123456 Please, who has some time, can you please write your country (Italy, France, etc.) and the way how usually is normal to read a phone number in your country (with international prefix) The format I use to descrive is this: +39 ### * or +1-###-* (where # replace a char, and * replace all remaining chars) Thank you a lot for your time Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community For Norway: +47 xxx xx xxx(mobile numbers) +47 xx xx xx xx (fixed numbers) The mobile numbers all start with either 4 or 9 after the +47 part. For details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_Norway If you have sufficiently advanced typography, then the space separating the groups should be a thin space rather than a normal interword space. Unicode and a proportional font should suffice for this. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Zhone frequent wake
to determine is why the device wakes on GSM state changes when zhone zhone (or rather fso) seems not to catch these acvtivities resp does not send the at commands to make the fr ignore those. which zhone/fso are you using? i posted the four commands making 2007.2 sleep well so you might find them in the archives. if you look further for frameworkd and suspend (or grep for apm -s in the fso sources) you should be able to find where you could insert these commands. but i am still wondering why you sse that, i do not -- and i had the issues with 2007.2 in exact the same locations i use the fr with debian/fso now. is running but not when qtopia is handling GSM activity. i got the necessary commands from the qtopia sources :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Call for Illume keyboards and keyboard icons
Hi Helge, Nice icon! By the way, the 'contention' so far is to use the ABC overlay for alphanumeric keyboard and the QWERTY overlay for terminal keyboards. I thought you've made a terminal keyboard, or do you have both now? Of course you are free to choose the icon yourself, but for users to know what to expect, using the convention can have advantages. Regards, Pander Helge Hafting wrote: Pander wrote: Hi all, I have done some hunter/gatherer work on keyboard icons as you can see here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume#List_of_illume_keyboards If someone could make some nice icons for Hebrew and Russian with respectively פםןךטא (this one reads from right to left!) and ЙЦУКЕН with the current icon/flag as a background, that would be wonderful. New keyboards and other contributions and improvements are welcome. Norwegian keyboard and icon available at http://www.aitel.hist.no/~helgehaf/openmoko/ The icon is not yet part of the package, but can be downloaded by saving it from the webpage. I hope this can be used. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Hi, Switzerland From outside (many people write all their numbers like this, gives the international trend...) : +41 xx yyy yy yy From inside : 0xx yyy yy yy Where xx is the regional code. AFAIK, mobile phones are always 7x, with x = 6, 8, 9 And you can replace the initial + by 00 in the international version. Regards, OdyX -- Swisslinux.org − Le carrefour GNU/Linux en Suisse − http://www.swisslinux.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.testing] GPS after resume
Yes, and I think ogpsd is supposed to do this. Almanac and ephemeris is saved when preparing for suspend, and loaded on resume, along with current time. If things haven't changed too much while suspend then resume should be faster than from cold. On Sunday 04 January 2009, Yorick Moko wrote: nice! but would it not be possible to let the gps poweroff and artificially feed it the last known sattelite positions? so that i can get a hot-start after suspend, without using more power? anyway, thanks for your contribution! y On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Vladimir Koutny vl...@moko.ksp.sk wrote: i was thinking about this the other day. the gps has it's own processor, correct, and can act independently of the cpu? i'm wondering if it's possible for the gps to keep it's fix while the main cpu is in suspend. power usage will be higher than a full suspend, but the phone will have a fix as soon as it resumes. is there any reason why this can't happen? I wrote attached patch for this few days ago - it is against mwester's stable kernel so probably still needs some tweaks for 2.6.28 series. Simply 'echo 1 /sys/bus/i2c/devices/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/keep_on_in_suspend' and it will stay alive during suspend (echo 0 to turn it off - this is also the default). It also fixes a bug with re-enabling GPS on resume when it was on before (keep_on_in_suspend=0). I'm going to split this into 2 patches and send it to devel soon. vlado ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car Charger?
On Monday 05 January 2009, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 02:40:34PM +, Vasco Névoa wrote: I bought a Trust car lighter adapter (5V/1A) with its own cable, and it doesn't charge the freerunner. Shouldn't it have to be 2A ? Rui That depends on what you're going to do with it. The phone itself won't draw more than 1A but if the phone is charging while in host mode the charger may need to supply 0.5A to the USB device(s) too. Note that as the chargers are unlikely to have the 47k resistor on the ID pin you will probably have to set the charge rate to 500mA or 1A as explained in the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Forcing_fast_charge_mode ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA01 Qi] doku fuckup and SD-Boot problems
I like to wrap this topic up. First, any idea why booting from flash does not work for me neither with uboot or qi? And second, as it looks like my Qi endeavour was futile, can I use the following command to go back to uboot? nandwrite -p /dev/mtd0 $u-boot-image Or is there some magic that needs to happen? Tilman Baumann wrote: Hi, I have just flashed Qi and have two questions. First, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi clearly states that the boot menu via power+aux will still work. I was sceptical about how that should work since gta01 has no NOR flash. But I trusted the source. Needless to say that there is no boot menu! Am I right in assuming that the wiki is just BS in this regard? If that is so, I like to change the text to warn others. And, how can I get my device in DFU-Mode now? Am I right in assuming that Qi has none? Does this mean that when I trash my rootfs I have no way to re-flash? How would I write a new bootloader (or whatever) to NAND via a running system? And secondly. I did flash Qi because booting from SD with U-Boot as described in the Wiki did not work for me. Somehow u-boot was not able to read the SD (8gb SDHC). (Sorry, I have no exact error message because I stopped debugging when the USB console trashed my hosts USB subsystem) I thought maybe Qi does it right. I have a SD with one ext2 formated partition containing the rootfs and /boot/append-GTA01 and /boot/uImage-GTA01.bin But it still always boots from NAND. I tried /boot/append-GTA01 with rootfstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 but this did not work either. Any ideas? PS: Remember GTA01! Some people seem to forget them. ;-) -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO-image milestone 4.1] gpsd instead of fso-gpsd installed on a fresh image ?
Hello. On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 04:58, lollisoft wrote: as of other issues that when using FSO, fso-gpsd should be used and not gpsd I am confused about installed gpsd on my fresh image from http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/images/om-gta02/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20090104-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 That one is a testing image based on 4.1 but with newer fixes and as you found out also regressions. :) Why is gpsd installed when it will not work with FSO ? It's a regression we have in OE while building the image. It is not as easy as we thought. Shouldn't fso-gpsd installed per default on that image ? It should and we will fix this. Sadly it is not proper fixable in a fast way. Needs more thinking. regards Stefan Schmidt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is it possible to keep ASU Enlightenment profile...
I don't want to go off topic but is it possible to use matchbox keyboard under Enlightenment(specifically, under 2008.x of course)? On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 10:46 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 01:39:19 -0800 Vasili Sviridov vsviri...@exceede.com babbled: Daniel Nöthen wrote: I want to keep ASU profile because if i switch to illume it keeps segfaulting at random actions and intervals... I don't know how to use the illume keyboard on ASU. But to stop illume segfaulting all the time you need to set the the Engine from SOFTWARE_16 to SOFTWARE in the wrench-menu. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I'll try the SOFTWARE fix. Thanks. Yeah, I've looked into in, and since Illume is E's module with keyboard integrated it'd be impossible to use it standalone. That brings the question - why such a coupled design?? it's more efficient. starts faster. uses less ram. re-uses buts of e's core to save duplication of work and it just was easier. but its available any time if u use e +illume - it just may have been made very hard to access by system integrators. if u want to use illume's keyboard outside of e - well you can't. but if u have e (and the illume module) you can. it's lurking there waiting to be turned on. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Atilla Filiz Eindhoven University of Technology Embedded Systems, Master's Programme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.12] Mediaplayer
Grazie, Marco It works! How can it be integrated so that configuration can be set automatically when the jack is plugged/unplugged? On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:39 AM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) m...@3v1n0.netwrote: Giovanni wrote: Great !!! It works! Unfortunately, if I plug the earphones, I can still listen to the sound from the loud speakers. Do you know how to solve this problem? Simply use alsactl -f restore to load the headset.state scenario file... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] Speed gps time to firxt fix up?
Yes, it may be a mistake to have both installed. That time it was possible to do. Yesterday an error message came up about incompatibility. The developers may have added these checks while I am playing :-) Today I'll try my assumtions why the GPS is not as good as Om2008/9. As I have stated I have a new microsd card. Thus changing too much is not good for finding the reason why the GPS is that bad. So I will have tests with combinations of cards and FSO-image / Om2008/9 to see what happens. As a note to the images and that I have read something about cherry picking to add into yet published releases: I do not find this a good practice. Do you ? Lothar Fox Mulder wrote: lollisoft wrote: The answer from Fox was to reinstall gpsd and not fso-gpsd and later he went back. So I tried this and struggled. Fox was also not on the FSO image, but on the Debian with FSO framework. Maybe he could do that but I am not (FSO image). I think bebause of Zhune. Maybe you misunderstood me because i never said to reinstall gpsd and not fso-gpsd. I only said that i was having a hard time with older fso-gpsd but now it works quite good. And i said that you should be sure not to have both installed at the same time. Only fso-gpsd is useable when using the fso-framework. And we both use fso-framework, you with fso-image and me with debian. And therefore the principles for gps configuration are the same. I hope we are now back to a common ground. :) Ciao, Rainer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-FSO--Speed-gps-time-to-firxt-fix-up--tp2105634p2112547.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Database applications practical on mobile device ?
I am glad to read this :-) My project is far away from being comparable with GNU enterprise. But it will do basic things for database applications. I will describe a bit more what the project is capable: First, I think about how a developer could do application development. Therefore I found, that UML is a good starting point to model a basic ER like database design. But it is more a class design, because while start designing, I also be capable to specify more than 'tables' and it's relations. I also capable of specifying what relation also has a button on the screen to jump to (based on the relation). That way I could define simple actions like the master detail forms or detail master forms. If the UML model (first design step) is ready to try, just export as XMI 1.4 and do import into my application. Then restart and test the application (it has also created a database schema as of postgresql or sqlite). So you could test the application with it's fields and discuss about probably missing fields or some other physical data related issues (type of field,...). If that step is done, you have the following choices: Export to XML and use XSLT to translate the model to whatever you want (eg. Python). I plan a commercial module that does the step at once and other features. (My code is LGPL licensed) Lothar Joseph Reeves wrote: Hi Lother, I'm part of a small team currently working on database applications for the FreeRunner. We would be extremely interested in your work. The most attractive solution we've seen so far is GNU Enterprise Tools, although I have had little luck making this work on the phone. We would prefer to use a GUI generated with wxPython, but my brief attempts to get it running on Openmoko failed. I decided to try a GTK interface, but was unable to satisfy GNUE's requirement of Egenix DateTime. We plan to run Sqlite on the phone with data entered via whatever interface we can make work best. We will be synchronising this on phone database with a postgesql database in our data centre using a version of SqlSync we're currently working on. We would be very interested in evaluating / contributing to your application. Best regards, Joseph 2009/1/5 lollisoft lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de: Hi, I like to ask if anyone is wishing to have some database applications on their phone. Or would it practical on such a small device ? I am a developer of an rapid database prototyper capable of generating any source code when prototyping is finished. Thus it will save a lot time when having templates. It's based on wxWidgets and I have seen these libraries on my FR some time ago. Thanks Lothar -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Database-applications-practical-on-mobile-device---tp2112633p2112633.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Database-applications-practical-on-mobile-device---tp2112633p2113095.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Database applications practical on mobile device ?
On Monday 05 January 2009, lollisoft wrote: Hi, I like to ask if anyone is wishing to have some database applications on their phone. Or would it practical on such a small device ? I am a developer of an rapid database prototyper capable of generating any source code when prototyping is finished. Thus it will save a lot time when having templates. It's based on wxWidgets and I have seen these libraries on my FR some time ago. Thanks Lothar I'm sure people would find something to do with an app a bit like the Data app from the Psion 5, or even something more fully featured. It should be perfectly practical both from a power and GUI point of view. sqlite already runs on the OM, and is extensively used in qtopia/QtExtended. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car Charger?
Well... not exactly. I bought a Trust car lighter adapter (5V/1A) with its own cable, and it doesn't charge the freerunner. After reading all this, I think it must be the cable. I'm going to try with a standard cable instead of the supplied one. The supplied cable is very handy, it has all kinds of optional plugs for many kinds of phone and gadget; because of this, it has only power lines going through it, and no data lines at all (it's got a small plug with only 2 contacts where the other adapter plugs connect). I'll let you know... Citando Gothnet openm...@nastylittlehorse.net: Thanks for all the answers guys, looks like I can grab any old USB charger, 5V/2A being preferable. And a GPS style wndscreen mount would be useful. I'm sure I can find something though. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Car-Charger--tp2106770p2112932.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions
fla...@correo.ugr.es wrote: Sure. And if we go that way, why not use the proper way of setting a link-local address? * Pick a random address * check that it is free (arp, ping,...) * take it. That has a good chance of working, even for those who routinely connect two phones to the same pc at the same time. Helge Hafting I'm not sure to have fully understood you, but I like having the phone always on the same address. There was a suggestion of using link-local addresses. If we do that, then we had better do it properly, because you aren't supposed to grab the same link-local address every time. If that is a problem, the solution is to not use link-local addresses. As long as you have one phone, a fixed IP address works well. If you have two or more, it is better if they are different or resolves the colission automatically. And then we might as well use existing standards. But perhaps there aren't that many people managing several phones from one pc. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.12] Mediaplayer
On my Neo with 2008.12 stable, I don't have the /etc/freesmartphone directory! Is it normal? Do I have to install something? On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Dylan Reilly drei...@atariland.net wrote: 2008.12 should automatically handle this for you by listening to dbus messages. If you look in /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml you should notice an entry that executes amixer with the appropriate arguments to disable the external speakers. On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 4:31 AM, Giovanni pino.o...@gmail.com wrote: Grazie, Marco It works! How can it be integrated so that configuration can be set automatically when the jack is plugged/unplugged? On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:39 AM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) m...@3v1n0.net wrote: Giovanni wrote: Great !!! It works! Unfortunately, if I plug the earphones, I can still listen to the sound from the loud speakers. Do you know how to solve this problem? Simply use alsactl -f restore to load the headset.state scenario file... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Dylan Maxwell Reilly ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When will kernel 2.6.24 be replaced by andy 2.6.28 kernel for better suspend/resume?
On Monday 05 January 2009 14:45:26 Fox Mulder wrote: Hi all, many mails i read in the kernel mailing list show that newer patches should only be applied to andy-tracking kernel and no more to the old 2.6.24 om kernel. I forgot to say Please, try it and let us know if it solves also your problems. :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
When will kernel 2.6.24 be replaced by andy 2.6.28 kernel for better suspend/resume?
Hi all, many mails i read in the kernel mailing list show that newer patches should only be applied to andy-tracking kernel and no more to the old 2.6.24 om kernel. Especially the suspend/resume behaviour seems to be a big problem with the 2.6.24 kernel. I install about once a week a new 2.6.24 kernel in debian but in the last few weeks the suspend behaviour didn't change anymore. I can suspend/resume for short periods within a few hours mostly without problems. But as soon as i suspend/resume for a longer period like 12 or more hours it doesn't work reliable. Many times i got a drained battery after such a long suspend. With every suspend/resume i log the battery loss to a text file which shows that a suspend for such a longer time should be no problem, but it fails about every second time. I read that the suspend/resume behaviour in andy-tracking has been reworked quite a bit. So i want to try the new kernels but at the moment they are not 100% compatible with the userspace tools in the distros. And there is no source for getting a recent 2.6.28 kernel with modules. On [1] the kernel is only rarely updated and the modules package is missing many times. So the question is, when will the default kernel be replaced by the new 2.6.28 andy kernel so that userspace tools could be adapted to it? The not working longer suspend/resume is for me the main problem at the monent with my freerunner. :/ I hope this mail doesn't sound to pessimistic because i really love my freerunner. But i think that the development of the new kernel would get much more feedback if the normal user get the chance to try it without compiling it himself. :) Ciao, Rainer [1] http://people.openmoko.org/andy/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
DIN specification for German numbers is AFAIK +49 (1 23) 1 23 45 68 That is, area code in parentheses and each number block in sets of two, but from right to left. (1 23 45 instead of 12 34 5) Alternative variant for area code for not fully canonical numbers is (01 23) ... (0 prefix within the area code) Really a pitty that there is no universal method. But I have to say, i like this one pretty much. Michele Renda wrote: Hello to all I would like to know how do you like to read the phone number: I try to explain: when we read a phone number we usually like to separe it with some spaces or signs: for example in Italy when someone give me a mobile phone number I usually write: +39 347 123456 Or if it is a fixed number: +39 02 123456 or +39 011 123456 But I know in USA is more common something like: +1-212-123456 Please, who has some time, can you please write your country (Italy, France, etc.) and the way how usually is normal to read a phone number in your country (with international prefix) The format I use to descrive is this: +39 ### * or +1-###-* (where # replace a char, and * replace all remaining chars) Thank you a lot for your time Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] Speed gps time to firxt fix up?
lollisoft wrote: The answer from Fox was to reinstall gpsd and not fso-gpsd and later he went back. So I tried this and struggled. Fox was also not on the FSO image, but on the Debian with FSO framework. Maybe he could do that but I am not (FSO image). I think bebause of Zhune. Maybe you misunderstood me because i never said to reinstall gpsd and not fso-gpsd. I only said that i was having a hard time with older fso-gpsd but now it works quite good. And i said that you should be sure not to have both installed at the same time. Only fso-gpsd is useable when using the fso-framework. And we both use fso-framework, you with fso-image and me with debian. And therefore the principles for gps configuration are the same. I hope we are now back to a common ground. :) Ciao, Rainer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When will kernel 2.6.24 be replaced by andy 2.6.28 kernel for better suspend/resume?
On Monday 05 January 2009 15:29:54 Fox Mulder wrote: David Garabana Barro wrote: On Monday 05 January 2009 14:45:26 Fox Mulder wrote: Hi all, many mails i read in the kernel mailing list show that newer patches should only be applied to andy-tracking kernel and no more to the old 2.6.24 om kernel. I forgot to say Please, try it and let us know if it solves also your problems. :) You mean i should try the never deep sleep thing? If you give me a hint how to activate this feature i will try it. But i have to say that most times i tried suspend zhone was not running and therefore my gsm wasn't activated. I see the same behaviour: suspend just after resume works, but if the FR is suspended for a longer time it does not always resume and the screen stays black. I have no SIM inserted so it should not be a Calypso problem. I was looking at the WSOD bug thinking it might manifest itself differently because I have no SIM, but I still have to check if ssh-ing works when this occurs. So the question is, when will the default kernel be replaced by the new 2.6.28 andy kernel so that userspace tools could be adapted to it? That would be my question as well. I only care for userspace to be adapted to test the suspend/resume functionality (on FSO, only frameworkd?). If one of the devs could give some pointers on what should change I can have a go at it :) grtz, Sander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Zhone frequent wake
It is definitely GSM activity that is waking the device (I verified with the /sys entry), but this is as I expected. What I am attempting to determine is why the device wakes on GSM state changes when zhone is running but not when qtopia is handling GSM activity. On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 10:22 AM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: sounds like network changes (signal quality etc). i've seen that with 2007.2 only and put some at commands in a file to execute when suspending. with fso there were no such awakenings. below /sys there's a file indicating what caused the wake up, search the archives, probably july/august. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Dylan Maxwell Reilly ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No dropbear in om2008.12 ?
And what about the terminal ? How come there isn't any in om2008.12 ? Or is there and I have missed something ? No. There is none...until you have installed it, that is :) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMooCow 0.3
Klaus Kurzmann wrote: * Thomas White ta...@cam.ac.uk [081219 15:24]: On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:24:23 +0100 KaZeR ka...@altern.org wrote: my SHR doesn't play the sound... am i missing something? Unable to open audio: No available audio device I had the exact same issue last week (haven't tried again since, and i'm currently flashing 2008.12) This sounds odd. OpenMooCow uses SDL for all the audio work, and the No available audio device part of that messages comes from SDL itself. So this could indicate a problem with SDL or something lower-level. I've seen audio break before due to a mismatch of kernel modules. Does audio work in any other programs for you? I had the same problem... modprobe snd-pcm-oss helped :-) My SHR is unable to open audio. But the older moocow worked with the same setup. I can stop speech-dispatcher, but it doesn't help. There is no snd-pcm-oss module to load, bt the previous moocow didn't need that. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO-image milestone 4.1] gpsd instead of fso-gpsd installed on a fresh image ?
So I do simply replace gpsd by fso-gpsd for now, or is there more to do ? Otoh, I'll wait for the next release or as documented in trac roadmap (milestone6: 'ogpsd finishing touches') ? I'd ask because I like to use navit / tangogps. Thanks for that fast answer. Lothar Stefan Schmidt wrote: Hello. On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 04:58, lollisoft wrote: as of other issues that when using FSO, fso-gpsd should be used and not gpsd I am confused about installed gpsd on my fresh image from http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/images/om-gta02/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20090104-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 That one is a testing image based on 4.1 but with newer fixes and as you found out also regressions. :) Why is gpsd installed when it will not work with FSO ? It's a regression we have in OE while building the image. It is not as easy as we thought. Shouldn't fso-gpsd installed per default on that image ? It should and we will fix this. Sadly it is not proper fixable in a fast way. Needs more thinking. regards Stefan Schmidt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-FSO-image-milestone-4.1--gpsd-instead-of-fso-gpsd-installed-on-a-fresh-image---tp2112765p2112944.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Strength int to bar conversion
On 05/01/2009 17:20, Helge Hafting wrote: If you only look at signal strenght, yes. But you should also take signal noise in consideration. You can have 100% signal strength and still not hear anything useful due to noise... much less make/receive calls. Is there a noise reading too? If so, paint the strength bars with green, and then paint red noise bars in the same place. If there is more signal than noise, you see just how much. If there is more noise, then everything is red and you know why it doesn't work. Yes, but it seem to be that in fso-framework there is no info about noise level. Is possible that the value I get from: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device GetSignalStrength is a number that contain value that take in consideration the signal strength and the noive level. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Database applications practical on mobile device ?
Yes, I have seen that sqlite is used. I do support sqlite out of the box, but do bring my own copy of sqlite database library (I think the amalgan version). It would be interesting, if I could get some python samples or have a look in the right application code :-) Python would then be a starting point were I could investigate. Porting my code seems to be more work because I haven't yet setup a development machine for my FR and I am sure having to integrate my home brewed makefile based build system into mokomake based build system. Generating code for database applications still could be done on desktop, so porting my project is not really a must have. See here for more: http://sourceforge.net/projects/lbdmf It contains the prototyper as the main sample application. Lothar Al Johnson wrote: On Monday 05 January 2009, lollisoft wrote: Hi, I like to ask if anyone is wishing to have some database applications on their phone. Or would it practical on such a small device ? I am a developer of an rapid database prototyper capable of generating any source code when prototyping is finished. Thus it will save a lot time when having templates. It's based on wxWidgets and I have seen these libraries on my FR some time ago. Thanks Lothar I'm sure people would find something to do with an app a bit like the Data app from the Psion 5, or even something more fully featured. It should be perfectly practical both from a power and GUI point of view. sqlite already runs on the OM, and is extensively used in qtopia/QtExtended. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Database-applications-practical-on-mobile-device---tp2112633p2112993.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Tilman Baumann wrote: DIN specification for German numbers is AFAIK +49 (1 23) 1 23 45 68 That is, area code in parentheses and each number block in sets of two, but from right to left. (1 23 45 instead of 12 34 5) Ah, and btw. There is no fixed number length. Phone numbers can range from tree digits to seven and probably more. Some countries seem to have fixed length, so that's probably important. -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[FSO-image milestone 4.1] gpsd instead of fso-gpsd installed on a fresh image ?
Hi, as of other issues that when using FSO, fso-gpsd should be used and not gpsd I am confused about installed gpsd on my fresh image from http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/images/om-gta02/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20090104-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Why is gpsd installed when it will not work with FSO ? Shouldn't fso-gpsd installed per default on that image ? Thanks Lothar -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-FSO-image-milestone-4.1--gpsd-instead-of-fso-gpsd-installed-on-a-fresh-image---tp2112765p2112765.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Strength int to bar conversion
Hello to all... Here for you another question: From fso-framework, I receive the signal strenght as a int 0 = i = 100. If I want to present this value as well know vertical green bar (4 bar) how according you is better to transform i to bar? I am currently using this: if strength =90: bar = 4 elif strength =80: bar = 3 elif strength =50: bar = 2 elif strength =10: bar = 1 else: bar = 0 But I am not sure if the values I choose were good. There is a standard? Thank you all. Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] navit: rendering is slow
KaZeR wrote: Hi there, But the problem is that the map is vry slow in 3D mode. I tried it on my pc first and it needed ~5s to drag the map from A to B. I think the problem is that in 3D mode navit still shows all items on the map which results in overfilling at the horizon. I attached a screenshot from my pc which shows the problem. Don't forget that 3D support is really new, and still alpha ;) There are probably a lot of optimizations that can be done, and will be in the next days. Thats nice to hear. Than i would suggest as one big imprrovement to implement a configurable viewdistance for different things in 3D mode. So we can select to which distance the items on the map like fuel stations, churches, etc are shown. And also the longest distance to show the map itself would be helpfull. Keep up the really good work. :) Ciao, Rainer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car Charger?
Thanks for all the answers guys, looks like I can grab any old USB charger, 5V/2A being preferable. And a GPS style wndscreen mount would be useful. I'm sure I can find something though. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Car-Charger--tp2106770p2112932.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Strength int to bar conversion
On 05/01/2009 15:54, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: If it's a 4 bar system, shouldn't you try to use values close to steps of 25 ? I was thinking this too, but the problem in real life is that bar are more linked to the quality of conversation, than to a proportional correlation with the strength of the signal. I explain: let suppose that I have strenght = 26, i have 2 bar. but is possible that with strenght 26 I can make a normal conversation, so the person can say that the bar are wrong. In my city is difficult to see the strength 80. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When will kernel 2.6.24 be replaced by andy 2.6.28 kernel for better suspend/resume?
David Garabana Barro wrote: On Monday 05 January 2009 14:45:26 Fox Mulder wrote: Hi all, many mails i read in the kernel mailing list show that newer patches should only be applied to andy-tracking kernel and no more to the old 2.6.24 om kernel. I forgot to say Please, try it and let us know if it solves also your problems. :) You mean i should try the never deep sleep thing? If you give me a hint how to activate this feature i will try it. But i have to say that most times i tried suspend zhone was not running and therefore my gsm wasn't activated. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
William Kenworthy wrote: A question: if you always dial a local number with the international and STD prefixes (which is what I think you are suggesting here) - under what regime will you get charged??? As a local call, or an international call? Could get *VERY* expensive :) Redundant prefixes does not make the calls more expensive in Norway. I guess this is true for the rest of Europe too. It'd be incredibly silly if I had to have several entries for the same contacts depending on how near them I am. :-/ So I normally have +47 on my contacts, so that their numbers works outside Norway too. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Database applications practical on mobile device ?
Hi Lother, I'm part of a small team currently working on database applications for the FreeRunner. We would be extremely interested in your work. The most attractive solution we've seen so far is GNU Enterprise Tools, although I have had little luck making this work on the phone. We would prefer to use a GUI generated with wxPython, but my brief attempts to get it running on Openmoko failed. I decided to try a GTK interface, but was unable to satisfy GNUE's requirement of Egenix DateTime. We plan to run Sqlite on the phone with data entered via whatever interface we can make work best. We will be synchronising this on phone database with a postgesql database in our data centre using a version of SqlSync we're currently working on. We would be very interested in evaluating / contributing to your application. Best regards, Joseph 2009/1/5 lollisoft lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de: Hi, I like to ask if anyone is wishing to have some database applications on their phone. Or would it practical on such a small device ? I am a developer of an rapid database prototyper capable of generating any source code when prototyping is finished. Thus it will save a lot time when having templates. It's based on wxWidgets and I have seen these libraries on my FR some time ago. Thanks Lothar -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Database-applications-practical-on-mobile-device---tp2112633p2112633.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is it possible to keep ASU Enlightenment profile...
Daniel Nöthen wrote: I want to keep ASU profile because if i switch to illume it keeps segfaulting at random actions and intervals... I don't know how to use the illume keyboard on ASU. But to stop illume segfaulting all the time you need to set the the Engine from SOFTWARE_16 to SOFTWARE in the wrench-menu. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I'll try the SOFTWARE fix. Thanks. Yeah, I've looked into in, and since Illume is E's module with keyboard integrated it'd be impossible to use it standalone. That brings the question - why such a coupled design?? V. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is it possible to keep ASU Enlightenment profile...
On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:52:12 +0100 Atilla Filiz atilla.fi...@gmail.com babbled: absolutely. if you add a .desktop file for it the Category=Keyboard - it'll even be listed in illumes keyboard config dialog - just select it. (mbkbd doesnt come with a .desktop by default). I don't want to go off topic but is it possible to use matchbox keyboard under Enlightenment(specifically, under 2008.x of course)? On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 10:46 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 01:39:19 -0800 Vasili Sviridov vsviri...@exceede.com babbled: Daniel Nöthen wrote: I want to keep ASU profile because if i switch to illume it keeps segfaulting at random actions and intervals... I don't know how to use the illume keyboard on ASU. But to stop illume segfaulting all the time you need to set the the Engine from SOFTWARE_16 to SOFTWARE in the wrench-menu. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I'll try the SOFTWARE fix. Thanks. Yeah, I've looked into in, and since Illume is E's module with keyboard integrated it'd be impossible to use it standalone. That brings the question - why such a coupled design?? it's more efficient. starts faster. uses less ram. re-uses buts of e's core to save duplication of work and it just was easier. but its available any time if u use e +illume - it just may have been made very hard to access by system integrators. if u want to use illume's keyboard outside of e - well you can't. but if u have e (and the illume module) you can. it's lurking there waiting to be turned on. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Atilla Filiz Eindhoven University of Technology Embedded Systems, Master's Programme -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Zhone frequent wake
If I understand correctly, you are suggesting that zhone may not correctly be intercepting the GSM activity so the calls are floating up where they are causing the device to wake? I am using the zhone that is in the 2008.12 testing repository [1] but I have also tried the one from FSO unstable. Zhone is not invoking device sleep. I will either let the blank/off timeout (as set through illume) occur or hit the power button which immediately invokes sleep through the framework. Therefore, I do not understand why it would be necessary to change the way suspend is activated as I think you may be suggesting. [1] 0.0.0+gitr146+11392b1d2ee3a0622dc324e1805699e4301249c4-r9 On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 11:11 AM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: to determine is why the device wakes on GSM state changes when zhone zhone (or rather fso) seems not to catch these acvtivities resp does not send the at commands to make the fr ignore those. which zhone/fso are you using? i posted the four commands making 2007.2 sleep well so you might find them in the archives. if you look further for frameworkd and suspend (or grep for apm -s in the fso sources) you should be able to find where you could insert these commands. but i am still wondering why you sse that, i do not -- and i had the issues with 2007.2 in exact the same locations i use the fr with debian/fso now. is running but not when qtopia is handling GSM activity. i got the necessary commands from the qtopia sources :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Dylan Maxwell Reilly ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is it possible to keep ASU Enlightenment profile...
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 01:39:19 -0800 Vasili Sviridov vsviri...@exceede.com babbled: Daniel Nöthen wrote: I want to keep ASU profile because if i switch to illume it keeps segfaulting at random actions and intervals... I don't know how to use the illume keyboard on ASU. But to stop illume segfaulting all the time you need to set the the Engine from SOFTWARE_16 to SOFTWARE in the wrench-menu. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I'll try the SOFTWARE fix. Thanks. Yeah, I've looked into in, and since Illume is E's module with keyboard integrated it'd be impossible to use it standalone. That brings the question - why such a coupled design?? it's more efficient. starts faster. uses less ram. re-uses buts of e's core to save duplication of work and it just was easier. but its available any time if u use e +illume - it just may have been made very hard to access by system integrators. if u want to use illume's keyboard outside of e - well you can't. but if u have e (and the illume module) you can. it's lurking there waiting to be turned on. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Strength int to bar conversion
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 04:06:24PM +0100, Michele Renda wrote: On 05/01/2009 15:54, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: If it's a 4 bar system, shouldn't you try to use values close to steps of 25 ? I was thinking this too, but the problem in real life is that bar are more linked to the quality of conversation, than to a proportional correlation with the strength of the signal. I explain: let suppose that I have strenght = 26, i have 2 bar. but is possible that with strenght 26 I can make a normal conversation, so the person can say that the bar are wrong. In my city is difficult to see the strength 80. If you only look at signal strenght, yes. But you should also take signal noise in consideration. You can have 100% signal strength and still not hear anything useful due to noise... much less make/receive calls. Is there a noise reading too? If so, paint the strength bars with green, and then paint red noise bars in the same place. If there is more signal than noise, you see just how much. If there is more noise, then everything is red and you know why it doesn't work. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When will kernel 2.6.24 be replaced by andy 2.6.28 kernel for better suspend/resume?
On Monday 05 January 2009 14:45:26 Fox Mulder wrote: Hi all, many mails i read in the kernel mailing list show that newer patches should only be applied to andy-tracking kernel and no more to the old 2.6.24 om kernel. Especially the suspend/resume behaviour seems to be a big problem with the 2.6.24 kernel. I install about once a week a new 2.6.24 kernel in debian but in the last few weeks the suspend behaviour didn't change anymore. On my experience, it has nothing (or nearly nothing) to do with kernel, but to #1024 (bouncing calypso). I'm suffering from this bug since I bought my FR on September. I also had a lot of suspend/resume problems, with every distro I tried (and I tried nearly all). At first I though that they were different problems. #1024 made that I lose some calls, and on the other hand sometimes I couldn't resume from sleep. But since I'm using SHR, with recommended 2.6.24 kernel and never deep sleep activated, I had not ONE SINGLE problem with suspend/resume nor with lost calls. It simply suspends and resumes every time I try it, and I receive all calls. I'm not saying there were not other problems with kernel and suspend, but with a recent 2.6.24 kernel and never_deep_sleep, it works like a charm for me. If I don't activate never_deep_sleep, It behaves as any other distro I tried. It sometimes don't resume, and I lose some calls. I hope #1024 is resolved ASAP. I think this will solve nearly all problems people has trying to use FR as daily phone. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Zhone frequent wake
understand why it would be necessary to change the way suspend is activated as I think you may be suggesting. not the way, suspend is activated but the activities executed when suspending. you could simply add the four commands before the call to apm -s. of course you would need to reset the commands' results on resume. last time i checked fso calling apm -s did not exectute the files in /etc/apm/suspend.d/ (and resume.d on resume), so you need to make sure, that upon suspend these commands are executed. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is it possible to keep ASU Enlightenment profile...
This seems to be a bit outdated, but there you go: http://www.ginguppin.de/node/15 Atilla Filiz wrote: I don't want to go off topic but is it possible to use matchbox keyboard under Enlightenment(specifically, under 2008.x of course)? On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 10:46 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com mailto:ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 01:39:19 -0800 Vasili Sviridov vsviri...@exceede.com mailto:vsviri...@exceede.com babbled: Daniel Nöthen wrote: I want to keep ASU profile because if i switch to illume it keeps segfaulting at random actions and intervals... I don't know how to use the illume keyboard on ASU. But to stop illume segfaulting all the time you need to set the the Engine from SOFTWARE_16 to SOFTWARE in the wrench-menu. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I'll try the SOFTWARE fix. Thanks. Yeah, I've looked into in, and since Illume is E's module with keyboard integrated it'd be impossible to use it standalone. That brings the question - why such a coupled design?? it's more efficient. starts faster. uses less ram. re-uses buts of e's core to save duplication of work and it just was easier. but its available any time if u use e +illume - it just may have been made very hard to access by system integrators. if u want to use illume's keyboard outside of e - well you can't. but if u have e (and the illume module) you can. it's lurking there waiting to be turned on. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com mailto:ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Atilla Filiz Eindhoven University of Technology Embedded Systems, Master's Programme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When will kernel 2.6.24 be replaced by andy 2.6.28 kernel for better suspend/resume?
Hi, Sander van Grieken san...@3v8.net writes: So the question is, when will the default kernel be replaced by the new 2.6.28 andy kernel so that userspace tools could be adapted to it? That would be my question as well. I only care for userspace to be adapted to test the suspend/resume functionality (on FSO, only frameworkd?). frameworkd newer than 31 Dec should properly support both kernels. I'm afraid it's not included in any images yet (please correct me if i am wrong). -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
In Turkey, our numbers are 7 digit excluding area codes. If you're calling within your city you tell the number as ### ## ## If it is an inter-city call, you dial 0*** ### ## ## where *** is the city code. Mobile numbers also have three digit codes like they are different cities. Finally, if you dial into Turkey from abroad, you dial +90 *** ### ## ## But when I'm abroad, or telling the number to somebody in English, I tell it digit by digit. On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.netwrote: For the thread that could be a mailing list on its own: I've noticed a funny effect on reading out numbers in different languages. I'm from the Netherlands and here we say 'eight-and-twenty' (achtentwintig) for the number 28. In English, you'd say twenty-eight. This reverse reading is also in German, but not in French. It differs from language to language. After spending half a year in an English speaking country, I noticed that after I came back I had difficulties writing down numbers like this when someone said them to me. This audio-to-written-conversion task was difficult for my brain since it was confused whether to use the English or Dutch reading. I experienced this not only with telephone numbers but also when writing down numbers from laboratory test in university when someone else would read out the measurements of the devices. However, paying in a shop when someone would read out the price of something is not a problem at all. I asked more people that stayed abroad for a longer period of time where a language is spoken that also interchanges the reading of the numbers, if they had the same challenges and some did. So when someone says to me, my (eight digit) telephone number is twenty-eight thirty-four ninety-seven fifty-four, for me, this is not brain friendly and usually I asked them to read it out like two eight, etcetera. However, when I have to remember a short number of four digits, like a postcode, e.g. twenty-four ninety-five, I have no problem, because this is mapped into the money domain, just like a price of something. The tell sell doctrine. ;) Do some of you have the same experience? I would like to suggest not to use this in reading out telephone numbers, even though this might be your national way of writing/saying these things. Usually there is not a sound information ergonomic reason behind it. More the history of how the numbers grew larger in a certain country. The brain is perfectly capable of remembering longer groups of digits. Take for example 2314 7869 this is faster and easier processed by the brain than 23 14 78 69 Regards, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Atilla Filiz Eindhoven University of Technology Embedded Systems, Master's Programme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO-image milestone 4.1] gpsd instead of fso-gpsd installed on a fresh image ?
Hello. On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 05:48, lollisoft wrote: So I do simply replace gpsd by fso-gpsd for now, or is there more to do ? Yes, that should work. Maybe you need to force the removal of gpsd but that is ok. Otoh, I'll wait for the next release or as documented in trac roadmap (milestone6: 'ogpsd finishing touches') ? We are preparing milestone 5 for the end of this month, that image will have fso-gpsd by default again. regards Stefan Schmidt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is it possible to keep ASU Enlightenment profile...
I want to keep ASU profile because if i switch to illume it keeps segfaulting at random actions and intervals... I don't know how to use the illume keyboard on ASU. But to stop illume segfaulting all the time you need to set the the Engine from SOFTWARE_16 to SOFTWARE in the wrench-menu. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car Charger?
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 02:40:34PM +, Vasco Névoa wrote: I bought a Trust car lighter adapter (5V/1A) with its own cable, and it doesn't charge the freerunner. Shouldn't it have to be 2A ? Rui -- Hail Eris! Today is Setting Orange, the 5th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3175 Celebrate Mungday + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Call for Illume keyboards and keyboard icons
Pander wrote: Hi all, I have done some hunter/gatherer work on keyboard icons as you can see here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume#List_of_illume_keyboards If someone could make some nice icons for Hebrew and Russian with respectively פםןךטא (this one reads from right to left!) and ЙЦУКЕН with the current icon/flag as a background, that would be wonderful. New keyboards and other contributions and improvements are welcome. Norwegian keyboard and icon available at http://www.aitel.hist.no/~helgehaf/openmoko/ The icon is not yet part of the package, but can be downloaded by saving it from the webpage. I hope this can be used. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Mass delete sim card contacts
I've encountered a bug where on importing my vcard contacts they were also added to my sim card, all with the name /fp. I'd like to mass remove all of my sim card contacts but can't find anything on the wiki about it. How can I remove all my sim card contacts? I'm using qtopia, but a command line solution would be fine. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When will kernel 2.6.24 be replaced by andy 2.6.28 kernel for better suspend/resume?
I have no SIM inserted so it should not be a Calypso problem. i am not sure if simply not inserting a sim completely disables the calypso. in fact, from my limited understanding of the issue and the little that is left month later i can imagine scenarios where not having a sim inserted might just make things worse ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO/Illume] Program icons not showing up
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: This always happens when we're starting to stabilize for a release. Last time it was something with a missing mimetypes postinst. Raster, any idea what it can be this time? There is definitely a problem with whatever parses the .desktop files. Try installing a third party app like openmoocow. You get no icon, although the icon file exists. Then, remove openmoocow.desktop and recreate it. Use some other .desktop file as a template, and enter the correct filename, name and icon name. Then you get an icon. a problem with categories will certainly make an icon disappear, but that is not the only way. Enter the options in a different order or omit something else, and it may still fail. I haven't researched _exactly_ what works, so far I have concentrated on making the icons show up when they doesn't. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.testing] GPS after resume
2009/1/5 Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk: Yes, and I think ogpsd is supposed to do this. Almanac and ephemeris is saved when preparing for suspend, and loaded on resume, along with current time. If things haven't changed too much while suspend then resume should be faster than from cold. Is this only available in FSO? i.e. not 2008.12? Regards Jeff ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Need help to create a french illume keyboard
Xavier Cremaschi wrote: Hi all, I am currently looking at keyboards layout in /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/ The syntax seems simple : key x y w h normal ' apostrophe shift quotedbl capslock ' apostrophe But I cannot find any doc/blog/thread/keyboard with composing features in it. There is composition for ` ' ^ ~ as well as some others. This is achieved via dead keys, press the ^ key first (nothing happens) then press o, and you get an ô. similiar for all the others. (`'^~) If you want a ^ sign without a vowel under it, press the ^ followed by space. Example of such a key: key 375 30 30 30 normaldead_diaeresis shift^ dead_circumflex capslock ~ dead_tilde For a complete example, take a look at: http://www.aitel.hist.no/~helgehaf/openmoko/ Here you find a Norwegian keyboard, with these 5 dead keys: ^~`' You can download a package, or just the Norwegian.kbd file. Feel free to use it as a starting point for other languages. I need to put few big keys (for fingers, not stylus). If you need a bigger key, use the w and h you mention above. Look at the Terminal keyboard. The spacebar is wider because it has a bigger w setting. I also need to write in French or Spanish so I need to easily write any combination of aeiou (respectively AEIOU) and ´`^¨ (and also Ñ ñ Ç ç...) The Norwegian keyboard provides examples for Ñ and ñ. I think you need to use dead_cedilla to get Ç and ç, unless you want to create a key just for the ç. To find _all_ the symbols, special keys and dead keys possible, try strings /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 | less There will be lots of uninteresting output too, look for stuff that look like key names. Or pipe it all to a file, and search the file later. Perhaps there are other ways of composing as well. The dead key approach is easy to learn though. On my computers I usually use QWERTY keyboard with US International, which gives powerful composing possibilities to the user, see : http://www.cs.umu.se/~hegner/Misc/Windowskb/windows0x.png Therefore I would like to create this kind of key : key x y w h normal e e shiftE E diacritic1 é é diacritic2 è è diacritic3 ê ê shift+diacritic1 É É shift+diacritic2 È È shift+diacritic3 Ê Ê etc You don't need to change anything for the e key to get this. If you add dead keys for `'^, then you will get èéê automatically, and the same for all other vowels as well. I would like : - to have 3 or 4 toggles that would modify the key layout and behaviour (like the weel-known shift key that e-E or E-e) So far I only found three shift states that can be specified freely: * normal (no shift) * shift * caps It'd be interesting to know if there are more, then I could have the euro sign in its proper place instead of a capslock kludge. - or to have one super shift key with multiple states, which would cycle between 4 or 5 states, for example normal_keyboard, ´_keyboard, `_keyboard, ^_keyboard Dead keys gives you `_keyboard, '_keyboard, _keyboard, ^_keyboard, ~_keyboard, cedille_keyboard and quite a few others. :-) libX11.so seems to have provisions for 20 different dead keys. An extra shiftstate could be interesting to get symbols that aren't merely modifications of ascii letters. Dead keys handle the rest. I haven't figured out more shiftstates though. On the other hand, there is always the option of having one or more symbol keyboards with really special stuff. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Database applications practical on mobile device ?
Hi, I like to ask if anyone is wishing to have some database applications on their phone. Or would it practical on such a small device ? I am a developer of an rapid database prototyper capable of generating any source code when prototyping is finished. Thus it will save a lot time when having templates. It's based on wxWidgets and I have seen these libraries on my FR some time ago. Thanks Lothar -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Database-applications-practical-on-mobile-device---tp2112633p2112633.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
uSD read fails
I bought a cheap 2GB uSD card and tried installing Debian, and later, Hackable distros on it. Kernel seem to load but somewhere in the boot process, I start getting I/O faults indefinitely. Debian worked at first but then started doing this. Is there a way to test my card for bad sectors etc? I haven't tried reducing clock rate from u-boot yet but it seems irrelevant. -- - Atilla Filiz Eindhoven University of Technology Embedded Systems, Master's Programme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.12] Mediaplayer
2008.12 should automatically handle this for you by listening to dbus messages. If you look in /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml you should notice an entry that executes amixer with the appropriate arguments to disable the external speakers. On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 4:31 AM, Giovanni pino.o...@gmail.com wrote: Grazie, Marco It works! How can it be integrated so that configuration can be set automatically when the jack is plugged/unplugged? On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:39 AM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) m...@3v1n0.net wrote: Giovanni wrote: Great !!! It works! Unfortunately, if I plug the earphones, I can still listen to the sound from the loud speakers. Do you know how to solve this problem? Simply use alsactl -f restore to load the headset.state scenario file... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Dylan Maxwell Reilly ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When will kernel 2.6.24 be replaced by andy 2.6.28 kernel for better suspend/resume?
* Fox Mulder quakem...@gmx.net [090105 15:34]: David Garabana Barro wrote: On Monday 05 January 2009 14:45:26 Fox Mulder wrote: Hi all, many mails i read in the kernel mailing list show that newer patches should only be applied to andy-tracking kernel and no more to the old 2.6.24 om kernel. I forgot to say Please, try it and let us know if it solves also your problems. :) You mean i should try the never deep sleep thing? If you give me a hint how to activate this feature i will try it. But i have to say that most times i tried suspend zhone was not running and therefore my gsm wasn't activated. in /etc/frameworkd.conf: [ogsmd] ti_calypso_deep_sleep = never mrmoku ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When will kernel 2.6.24 be replaced by andy 2.6.28 kernel for better suspend/resume?
Paul Fertser wrote: Hi, Sander van Grieken san...@3v8.net writes: So the question is, when will the default kernel be replaced by the new 2.6.28 andy kernel so that userspace tools could be adapted to it? That would be my question as well. I only care for userspace to be adapted to test the suspend/resume functionality (on FSO, only frameworkd?). frameworkd newer than 31 Dec should properly support both kernels. I'm afraid it's not included in any images yet (please correct me if i am wrong). Latest fso-frameworkd in debian is 0.8.4.3-20081215-1 which is older than 31 dec i would guess. I hope a new version comes very soon so i can try to change from 2.6.24 to the new 2.6.28 kernel. :) Ciao, Rainer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buying a FrogPad in the UK
On Mon, 5 Jan 2009, Sam Kuper wrote: 2009/1/5 Thomas White ta...@cam.ac.uk Will do. Watch out for the next Cambridge OM pubmeet as well. Thanks. Is there a separate mailing list/etc over which the pubmeet will be arranged? good idea! there is now, see http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/om-cambridge for more details. if you're receiving this as a personal addressee, instead of (or as well as) via the openmoko list, then i'm about to pre-subscribe you to the list (i hope you will forgive me for the presumption, you can trivially unsubscribe yourself if you aren't happy, or grumble directly to me and i'll take you off). anyone else who might be interested in trekking to a cambridge (UK) pub for a meet-up should visit the above URL to sign up. when dates are fixed i'll continue to announce them to this list. -- Tom Yates - http://www.teaparty.net___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Strength int to bar conversion
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 03:31:21PM +0100, Michele Renda wrote: Hello to all... Here for you another question: From fso-framework, I receive the signal strenght as a int 0 = i = 100. If I want to present this value as well know vertical green bar (4 bar) how according you is better to transform i to bar? I am currently using this: if strength =90: bar = 4 elif strength =80: bar = 3 elif strength =50: bar = 2 elif strength =10: bar = 1 else: bar = 0 But I am not sure if the values I choose were good. There is a standard? If it's a 4 bar system, shouldn't you try to use values close to steps of 25 ? Rui -- Or not. Today is Setting Orange, the 5th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3175 Celebrate Mungday + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Strength int to bar conversion
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 04:06:24PM +0100, Michele Renda wrote: On 05/01/2009 15:54, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: If it's a 4 bar system, shouldn't you try to use values close to steps of 25 ? I was thinking this too, but the problem in real life is that bar are more linked to the quality of conversation, than to a proportional correlation with the strength of the signal. I explain: let suppose that I have strenght = 26, i have 2 bar. but is possible that with strenght 26 I can make a normal conversation, so the person can say that the bar are wrong. In my city is difficult to see the strength 80. If you only look at signal strenght, yes. But you should also take signal noise in consideration. You can have 100% signal strength and still not hear anything useful due to noise... much less make/receive calls. Rui -- Hail Eris! Today is Setting Orange, the 5th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3175 Celebrate Mungday + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When will kernel 2.6.24 be replaced by andy 2.6.28 kernel for better suspend/resume?
Hi, Fox Mulder quakem...@gmx.net writes: Paul Fertser wrote: Sander van Grieken san...@3v8.net writes: So the question is, when will the default kernel be replaced by the new 2.6.28 andy kernel so that userspace tools could be adapted to it? That would be my question as well. I only care for userspace to be adapted to test the suspend/resume functionality (on FSO, only frameworkd?). frameworkd newer than 31 Dec should properly support both kernels. I'm afraid it's not included in any images yet (please correct me if i am wrong). Latest fso-frameworkd in debian is 0.8.4.3-20081215-1 which is older than 31 dec i would guess. I hope a new version comes very soon so i can try to change from 2.6.24 to the new 2.6.28 kernel. :) Actually, you can try to change from 2.6.24 after applying an ad-hoc patch from http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/293 even on old version that's provided by Debian (that's exactly what i did a month ago). -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Strength int to bar conversion
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 15:31:21 +0100 Michele Renda michele.re...@gmail.com babbled: Hello to all... Here for you another question: From fso-framework, I receive the signal strenght as a int 0 = i = 100. If I want to present this value as well know vertical green bar (4 bar) how according you is better to transform i to bar? I am currently using this: if strength =90: bar = 4 elif strength =80: bar = 3 elif strength =50: bar = 2 elif strength =10: bar = 1 else: bar = 0 But I am not sure if the values I choose were good. There is a standard? why take something with high accuracy and make it nice an inaccurate by reducing its resolution to basically 5 levels? other than being able to say i only get 2 bars here! just display it with all the pixels you have available. add something for those who must get a numeric quantifier when you click on it or something (for full signal/network etc. info). -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.testing] GPS after resume
Hi, Jeffrey Ratcliffe jeffrey.ratcli...@gmail.com writes: 2009/1/5 Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk: Yes, and I think ogpsd is supposed to do this. Almanac and ephemeris is saved when preparing for suspend, and loaded on resume, along with current time. If things haven't changed too much while suspend then resume should be faster than from cold. Is this only available in FSO? i.e. not 2008.12? It's implemented partially in FSO for a long time. Every time the GPS is turned off, the important data is saved to the file and loaded after turning on the next time. The problem is that sometimes loading ephemeris really hurts time-to-fix. That's why this code is commented out in FSO. If anyone has any ideas, suggestions or _experience_with_loading_ ephemeris_, please contribute to http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/261 (especially, if you're not using FSO, as it might help to find why FSO implementation doesn't work as expected). -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMooCow 0.3
Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: My SHR is unable to open audio. But the older moocow worked with the same setup. I can stop speech-dispatcher, but it doesn't help. There is no snd-pcm-oss module to load, bt the previous moocow didn't need that. Previous meaning version 0.2? All the previous versions are available from my site: http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~taw27/openmoko/openmoocow/ - would you be able to check version 0.2 again to be sure? This is particularly puzzling because the audio parts of the program haven't been touched between 0.2 and 0.3... Tom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Strength int to bar conversion
2009/1/5 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com why take something with high accuracy and make it nice an inaccurate by reducing its resolution to basically 5 levels? For simplicity, for unobtrusiveness, and for conformity with standard phone UI practice, I'd guess. The typical 4-bar meter is good at a split-second's glance, yet takes up very little room. Sure, it can be made clickable if you want the detail, but for a quick glance, it's a good compromise, IMO. Plus it make the phone easier to explain to Grandma :) Anyway, is it really something with high accuracy? I'd be interested to know whether the reading Michele is getting takes into account S/N ratio or not. Sam ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Strength int to bar conversion
not sure if feasible, but what about making it configurable to have either the bar chart or the number itself shown? the number still could be coloured depending on the level (red to green or so, drawing a string in different colours shouldn't be that expensive, shouldn't it?). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Michele Renda пишет: Hello to all I would like to know how do you like to read the phone number: ... Please, who has some time, can you please write your country (Italy, France, etc.) and the way how usually is normal to read a phone number in your country (with international prefix) The format I use to descrive is this: +39 ### * or +1-###-* (where # replace a char, and * replace all remaining chars) Thank you a lot for your time In Russia it is common and safe to read/write phone number this way: +7 ### ###-##-## or (the old standard) 8 ### ###-##-## On incoming call or message the operator usually tells (on a somehow unrelated note, what's the right verb for this action? :D) the number in it's full form, i.e. +7##. User can also dial only part of the number (usually last 5 to 7 digits), if he makes a local call. The grouping of digits begins from the end, e.g. ###-##-##, ##-##-##, #-##-##. Numbers with less than 5 digits are usually service numbers, and can be written just in one group. Digit groups are separated by hyphen, but in full number it is preferred to separate the first group (area code), which is right after the +7 or 8, by spaces. The actual standard for writing phone numbers is a little more complicated and requires knowledge of area codes, mobile operator codes and so on. If anyone is interested, I could explain in more detail. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[FSO/SHR/Debian] Update to BtGPS.py
BtGPS.py is a script to turn your Freerunner into a bluetooth GPS unit. I've updated the scripts to work with fso. When paring the passkey is in /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf , the default is '1234' Installation instructions opkg install gps-utils python-pygtk ( debian will be apt-get install something ) wget http://handheldshell.com/software/fso/BtGPS.py wget http://handheldshell.com/software/fso/btgps.desktop mv BtGPS.py /usr/bin chmod +x /usr/BtGPS.py mv btgps.desktop /usr/share/applications -- Angus Ainslie http://www.handheldshell.com/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problems running pidgin
On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Samuel Pereira em...@samuelpereira.net wrote: You have installed pidgin-data Oops, my bad, this package was missing. I feel a bit stupid right now. Ironically, I did do a 'opkg list | grep pidgin' before installing, so I should have seen it. I am still a bit suprised it didn't get automatically installed as a depency of the pidgin package. Thanks and sorry for the inconvenience. -- Florian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO/SHR/Debian] Update to BtGPS.py
On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:25:59 -0700 Angus Ainslie angus.ains...@gmail.com (AA) wrote: BtGPS.py is a script to turn your Freerunner into a bluetooth GPS unit. I've updated the scripts to work with fso. When paring the passkey is in /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf , the default is '1234' Thank you Angus, this is now much easier then running it from console :) btw i noticed the Pyring program on your website, would it run on FR as well? Something i was desperately looking for :) -- Petr Vaněk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Openmoko keyboard mockup
With 2008.12 release, a well working finger-friendly keyboard is the most critical missing feature for me. I've made a mockup of a keyboard that I think would make things a lot easier to type. http://dhermilly.dk/pascal/openmoko/keyboard%20mockup.png I don't have the skills to code this, but please. I really need a good keyboard to be able to use my openmoko. Best regards from Pascal, Denmark ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.12] Mediaplayer
To tell you the truth, I am not sure. I have always been running the testing distribution, but 2008.12 *should* be more or less the same as testing. The aforementioned rules file is part of the frameworkd package. Make sure you have that installed. If not, you can try playing around with testing [1] because it is definitely in there. [1] http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/ On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Giovanni pino.o...@gmail.com wrote: On my Neo with 2008.12 stable, I don't have the /etc/freesmartphone directory! Is it normal? Do I have to install something? On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Dylan Reilly drei...@atariland.net wrote: 2008.12 should automatically handle this for you by listening to dbus messages. If you look in /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml you should notice an entry that executes amixer with the appropriate arguments to disable the external speakers. On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 4:31 AM, Giovanni pino.o...@gmail.com wrote: Grazie, Marco It works! How can it be integrated so that configuration can be set automatically when the jack is plugged/unplugged? On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:39 AM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) m...@3v1n0.net wrote: Giovanni wrote: Great !!! It works! Unfortunately, if I plug the earphones, I can still listen to the sound from the loud speakers. Do you know how to solve this problem? Simply use alsactl -f restore to load the headset.state scenario file... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Dylan Maxwell Reilly ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Dylan Maxwell Reilly ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO/SHR/Debian] Update to BtGPS.py
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz wrote: On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:25:59 -0700 Thank you Angus, this is now much easier then running it from console :) btw i noticed the Pyring program on your website, would it run on FR as well? Something i was desperately looking for :) Pyring should work on the freerunner but the screen will probably need a layout change to work properly. It was primarily developed on the N800 internet tablet so if you use it in landscape mode it will look right. Angus -- Angus Ainslie http://www.handheldshell.com/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko keyboard mockup
Hello there, Pascal d'Hermilly wrote: With 2008.12 release, a well working finger-friendly keyboard is the most critical missing feature for me. I've made a mockup of a keyboard that I think would make things a lot easier to type. http://dhermilly.dk/pascal/openmoko/keyboard%20mockup.png I don't have the skills to code this, but please. I really need a good keyboard to be able to use my openmoko. I fully agree that we need a proper finger-friendly keyboard. I'm sure that it is planned, and I can sort-of remember that the Matchbox keyboard has big enough keys to be a lot easier to use than the Illume keyboard. Here are some other keyboard examples: A weird keyboard on M$ Mobile (yech!): http://msmobiles.com/news.php/6630.html Iphone keyboard styled like the Macbook Air (now this looks the business!): http://www.intomobile.com/2008/07/02/make-your-iphone-virtual-keyboard-look-like-its-macbook-air.html Blackberry's Iphone keyboard ripoff: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=1996 All of them have nice big buttons and share a simple layout. The FR's screen is big enough even in portrait mode to accommodate a keyboard like this. The Illume keyboard, as excellent as it is (thanks Raster!!), is fiddly to use without a stylus. I would like to not have to use a stylus to compose notes/emails/sms. For terminal use (and using VI) a more complete k/b is of course justified, but for everyday use we need a nice finger keyboard. -- Regards, Jan Henkins ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko keyboard mockup
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:46:15 + Jan Henkins j...@henkins.za.net babbled: Hello there, Pascal d'Hermilly wrote: With 2008.12 release, a well working finger-friendly keyboard is the most critical missing feature for me. I've made a mockup of a keyboard that I think would make things a lot easier to type. http://dhermilly.dk/pascal/openmoko/keyboard%20mockup.png I don't have the skills to code this, but please. I really need a good keyboard to be able to use my openmoko. I fully agree that we need a proper finger-friendly keyboard. I'm sure that it is planned, and I can sort-of remember that the Matchbox keyboard has big enough keys to be a lot easier to use than the Illume keyboard. Here are some other keyboard examples: A weird keyboard on M$ Mobile (yech!): http://msmobiles.com/news.php/6630.html Iphone keyboard styled like the Macbook Air (now this looks the business!): http://www.intomobile.com/2008/07/02/make-your-iphone-virtual-keyboard-look-like-its-macbook-air.html Blackberry's Iphone keyboard ripoff: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=1996 All of them have nice big buttons and share a simple layout. The FR's screen is big enough even in portrait mode to accommodate a keyboard like this. The Illume keyboard, as excellent as it is (thanks Raster!!), is fiddly to use without a stylus. I would like to not have to use a stylus to compose notes/emails/sms. For terminal use (and using VI) a more complete k/b is of course justified, but for everyday use we need a nice finger keyboard. with dictionary correction the illume keyboard (and the qtopia one) in normal plain qwerty for writing notes and emails and sms's work just great - i've used them walking down the street and i can type better on it than i can on my rokr e6 WITH a stylus. in fact my n800 with a landscape 4.3 screen is almost equivalent in usability (it doesnt dictionary correct). -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko keyboard mockup
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:47 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:46:15 + Jan Henkins j...@henkins.za.net babbled: Hello there, Pascal d'Hermilly wrote: With 2008.12 release, a well working finger-friendly keyboard is the most critical missing feature for me. I've made a mockup of a keyboard that I think would make things a lot easier to type. http://dhermilly.dk/pascal/openmoko/keyboard%20mockup.png I think, the current Raster's Keyboard great for potrait mode. For landscape mode(i.e holding neo sideways) however, the keyboard does not utilize the extra space. What we need is, imho, a keyboard that would increase in size to take up the extra space in this landscape mode. That way we'll be able to type even faster. If we could add that fuctionality to raster's keyboard, then it'd be just great. Just my INR 0.02. -- Regards Shashank As our circle of knowledge expands, so does the circumference of darkness surrounding it - Albert Einstein ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko keyboard mockup
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:08:41 +0530 Shashank Bharadwaj shanka@gmail.com babbled: On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:47 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:46:15 + Jan Henkins j...@henkins.za.net babbled: Hello there, Pascal d'Hermilly wrote: With 2008.12 release, a well working finger-friendly keyboard is the most critical missing feature for me. I've made a mockup of a keyboard that I think would make things a lot easier to type. http://dhermilly.dk/pascal/openmoko/keyboard%20mockup.png I think, the current Raster's Keyboard great for potrait mode. For landscape mode(i.e holding neo sideways) however, the keyboard does not utilize the extra space. What we need is, imho, a keyboard that would increase in size to take up the extra space in this landscape mode. That way we'll be able to type even faster. If we could add that fuctionality to raster's keyboard, then it'd be just great. that's a matter of just fixing the code to handle resizing appropriately. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:36:55 +0100, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: fla...@correo.ugr.es wrote: Sure. And if we go that way, why not use the proper way of setting a link-local address? * Pick a random address * check that it is free (arp, ping,...) * take it. That has a good chance of working, even for those who routinely connect two phones to the same pc at the same time. Helge Hafting I'm not sure to have fully understood you, but I like having the phone always on the same address. There was a suggestion of using link-local addresses. If we do that, then we had better do it properly, because you aren't supposed to grab the same link-local address every time. If that is a problem, the solution is to not use link-local addresses. As long as you have one phone, a fixed IP address works well. If you have two or more, it is better if they are different or resolves the colission automatically. And then we might as well use existing standards. But perhaps there aren't that many people managing several phones from one pc. Helge Hafting Certainly there will be far less, proportionally, with Openmoko success. If Openmoko succeeds - which I presume we all want - then we, the linux hackers, will be the minority of users. The community as it exists right now cannot be considered the long-term target userbase. The more things deviate from 'just works' the more Joe Smartphone-user will consider broken when he can't figure it out. I'm not saying dumb it down, just reiterating my mantra of simple working defaults. I think we need to set a default IP pair in a /30 subnet or at least designate a subnet NOT commonly used, and UI network controls can allow to alter them at need. (or for those who perversely eschew UIs on a touchscreen phone, you can edit the config :) For 'backward-compatibility' (read: our convenience ;) I suggest 192.168.0.202/30 on the FR, .201 on host - machines with .200 can still communicate on this subnet. But my gut tells me we need a clean break and a clean subnet, like 10.19.73.0/24 or 10.79.77.0/24... ;) Something that works for a linux hacker works for us, something that works for the average smartphone user works for Openmoko. But by virtue of who and where we are, we can influence this and hopefully end up with something that just works. j -- Joel Newkirk http://jthinks.com (blog) http://newkirk.us/om (FR stuff) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
