Re: New Default Illume Keybd Layout
Brock awwa...@thelackthereof.org writes: I extracted it and dropped it into place to work in debian. I've been using it for several days and like this layout quite a bit... I threw in a fuzz factor of 60 for sloppy slapping the keyboard, works great. Same here, on Debian. Haven't tried the fuzz factor yet but we'll see. But something I've been meaning to look into for a while -- the font used for the letters on the keys and for the word suggestions above the keyboard is very very small. Is there an interface to set that somewhere or do I need to edit the theme file? It's a bigger font on SHR and FSO. -- -John Sullivan -http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:JohnSullivan -GPG Key: AE8600B6 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Meaning of last digit of %CSQ: 99, 99, 0
Does anyone have an idea what the meaning of the last digit is? (watch screen wrap :) Feb 1 09:11:42 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : %CSQ: 99, 99, 0 The first 99 is signal strength (99=unknown), second is BER (99=undetectable) but all the guides Ive looked at dont mention the third - so far I have seen, 0, 1 and 2 there. BillK -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: which file system for sd card?
William Kenworthy ha scritto: I found vfat clearly better (less susceptible to corruption) than ext2, however ext3 is better than vfat, but will still play up at times. Using it for OSM maps BillK IMHO the best fs for sd is vfat if you don't care about permission, so if you have to put your photos or docs on it, else ext2 is BETTER than ext3 in this case for a simple reason, it doesn't have the journal. Not having the journal imlies a redouced number of write to sd and a reduced probability to get the data lost. Pietro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangoGPS 0.9.5 is out
2009/1/25 arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de: ps: please cut the mail to the necessary minimum when replying. Sure, didn't realise it was an issue. Is it for bandwith/storage, readibility or something else? well, it is a tad annoying -- to have mail that stretches over several pages with basically nothing but a single line appended. The right client could handle that for you; as Google Mail (for example) does. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Meaning of last digit of %CSQ: 99, 99, 0
William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au writes: Does anyone have an idea what the meaning of the last digit is? (watch screen wrap :) Feb 1 09:11:42 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : %CSQ: 99, 99, 0 The first 99 is signal strength (99=unknown), second is BER (99=undetectable) but all the guides Ive looked at dont mention the third - so far I have seen, 0, 1 and 2 there. 8.5 Signal quality +CSQ Table 36: +CSQ action command syntax |Command |Possible response(s) | |+CSQ |+CSQ: rssi,ber | | |+CME ERROR: err| |+CSQ=? |+CSQ: (list of supported rssis),(list of | | |supported bers)| Description Execution command returns received signal strength indication rssi and channel bit error rate ber from the ME. Refer subclause 9.2 for possible err values. Test command returns values supported by the TA as compound values. Defined values rssi: 0-113 dBm or less 1-111 dBm 2...30 -109... -53 dBm 31 -51 dBm or greater 99 not known or not detectable ber (in percent): 0...7as RXQUAL values in the table in GSM 05.08 [20] subclause 8.2.4 99 not known or not detectable Implementation Optional. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Meaning of last digit of %CSQ: 99, 99, 0
On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 12:20 +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au writes: Does anyone have an idea what the meaning of the last digit is? (watch screen wrap :) Feb 1 09:11:42 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : %CSQ: 99, 99, 0 The first 99 is signal strength (99=unknown), second is BER (99=undetectable) but all the guides Ive looked at dont mention the third - so far I have seen, 0, 1 and 2 there. 8.5 Signal quality +CSQ Table 36: +CSQ action command syntax |Command |Possible response(s) | |+CSQ |+CSQ: rssi,ber | | |+CME ERROR: err| |+CSQ=? |+CSQ: (list of supported rssis),(list of | | |supported bers)| Description Execution command returns received signal strength indication rssi and channel bit error rate ber from the ME. Refer subclause 9.2 for possible err values. Test command returns values supported by the TA as compound values. Defined values rssi: 0-113 dBm or less 1-111 dBm 2...30 -109... -53 dBm 31 -51 dBm or greater 99 not known or not detectable ber (in percent): 0...7as RXQUAL values in the table in GSM 05.08 [20] subclause 8.2.4 99 not known or not detectable Implementation Optional. Yes, thats the first two which I already gave, but whats the third (the zero on the end, which may also be a 1 or 2)? BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR Unstable
Another issue I noticed is the illume keyboard is very slow. Sometimes it freezes for 2 seconds, usually on the 2-3 letter. I don't remember having this on Om2008.12 2009/1/24 Richy klemms...@gmail.com Same here! On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 23:08, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/1/24 Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz: You can speed up scrolling by switching to the Software_16 engine (Spanner - Advanced - Engine) and reducing the framerate to around 15 I'm probably being stupid, but I don't see any Advanced option in the dialog that comes up after touching the spanner... the icon bar (Display|Look|Screen...) can slide to the left (has more items on the right) Thanks, I see that, but mine (shr unstable) still only has Display, Look, Screen and Input. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] zhone not working
ImportError: libevas.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Some idea? Your upgrade was incomplete. In particular, python-evas was not upgraded to the version using newer evas library package. Please run apt-get dist-upgrade, and if it won't help, post here the complete output of that command. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR Unstable
I'm using shr-unstable aswell, but from 13th january. Newer versions have not working gsm, and have that very annoying issue program crashed and left no error log when accesing contacts or messages. I'm flashing every new images to see if it is solved, because this the best distribution I used so far. Good work! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR Unstable
2009/1/25 wp wpmaill...@gmail.com: I'm using shr-unstable aswell, but from 13th january. Newer versions have not working gsm, and have that very annoying issue program crashed and left no error log when accesing contacts or messages. I'm flashing every new images to see if it is solved, because this the best distribution I used so far. Good work! I'm using images from 22/23 January, and don't see either of those problems. (i.e. GSM works and I've never seen that crash.) Specifically: uImage-2.6.28-oe1+gitr34240a1c06ae36180dee695aa25bbae869b2aa26-r2-om-gta02.bin openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090123-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.nosummary Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: which file system for sd card?
Not having the journal imlies a redouced number of write to sd and a reduced probability to get the data lost. this discusion has in some extend token place a while ago (community or support archives should have it ready, look for wear leveling) and it was widely agreed upon, that with modern sd cards you will rather need a new sd card because of size or loss, than because of possible damage caused by extra wear of the ext3 journal. if it is not yet in the wiki, somebody should probably gather the bits from the archives and put it there -- it seem to be a rather recurrent question. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR Unstable
Well, I'll give it a try once more and leave it for an hour to see if it can register correctly. I can always flash it back ;) On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/1/25 wp wpmaill...@gmail.com: I'm using shr-unstable aswell, but from 13th january. Newer versions have not working gsm, and have that very annoying issue program crashed and left no error log when accesing contacts or messages. I'm flashing every new images to see if it is solved, because this the best distribution I used so far. Good work! I'm using images from 22/23 January, and don't see either of those problems. (i.e. GSM works and I've never seen that crash.) Specifically: uImage-2.6.28-oe1+gitr34240a1c06ae36180dee695aa25bbae869b2aa26-r2-om-gta02.bin openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090123-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.nosummary Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[debian/all] wake when needed
Hi I see, rtcwake does not work on freerunner: freerunner:~# rtcwake -s 30 rtcwake: /dev/rtc0 not enabled for wakeup events Is there any working methond to make freerunner suspend sleep and later wakeup not later than at a given moment? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR Unstable
Well, it's as I said: gsm is not working for me and these programs still crash. Maybe it's because of my provider, dunno. I was having these issues with image form 13 january too, but I could turn on and off gsm in settings; newer images have other settings manager and gsm is not controlable through it yet. I will try again with next images. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian/all] wake when needed
Nikita V. Youshchenko yo...@debian.org writes:
Is there any working methond to make freerunner suspend sleep and later
wakeup not later than at a given moment?
Yes.
#include stdio.h
#include linux/rtc.h
#include sys/ioctl.h
#include sys/time.h
#include sys/types.h
#include fcntl.h
#include unistd.h
#include stdlib.h
#include errno.h
#include assert.h
#include time.h
int main(int argc, char **argv) {
int fd, ret;
struct rtc_wkalrm wkalrm;
assert(argc == 2);
fd = open(/dev/rtc0, O_RDONLY);
assert(fd);
{
struct tm *tm;
time_t secs;
secs = atol(argv[1]);
assert(secs 86400*365*(2000-1970));
assert(secs 86400*365*(2030-1970));
tm = gmtime(secs);
assert(tm);
wkalrm.time.tm_sec = tm-tm_sec;
wkalrm.time.tm_min = tm-tm_min;
wkalrm.time.tm_hour = tm-tm_hour;
wkalrm.time.tm_mday = tm-tm_mday;
wkalrm.time.tm_mon = tm-tm_mon;
wkalrm.time.tm_year = tm-tm_year;
wkalrm.time.tm_wday = tm-tm_wday;
wkalrm.time.tm_yday = tm-tm_yday;
wkalrm.time.tm_isdst = tm-tm_isdst;
}
wkalrm.enabled = 1;
ret = ioctl(fd, RTC_WKALM_SET, wkalrm);
assert(ret != -1);
return 0;
}
works for me with andy-tracking b8b36e5ec3d.
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Re: which file system for sd card?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi.. I bought a 2GB sd card which came formatted with FAT. Is this a good option for the sd card or is it advisable to use another fs? I'm using it for osm maps. My experience: I had trouble with FAT and OSM maps.. it became read-only after a while of updating tiles.. though, I admit that it could also be the sdclk causing that (which I have not played around with).. anyway.. reformatting with ext3 solved that problem for me.. Cheers.. - -- Thomas - -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ When someone says 'I want a programming language in which I need only say what I wish done,' give him a lollipop. - Alan J. Perlis - -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkl8WMAACgkQuGo1cDcCdioMggCdFWlE9hESeNiDzR/SxGCdthCi nBsAnjysmwpqhZ5qaw1IKYPHgyKR8KGW =gtKO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian/all] wake when needed
I tried wkalrm by Werner Almesberger and it works without problems. I
don't know where i found it so i attached it to this mail.
Ciao,
Rainer
Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote:
Hi
I see, rtcwake does not work on freerunner:
freerunner:~# rtcwake -s 30
rtcwake: /dev/rtc0 not enabled for wakeup events
Is there any working methond to make freerunner suspend sleep and later
wakeup not later than at a given moment?
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/*
* wkalrm.c - Use the RTC alarm to wake us up
*
* Copyright (C) 2008 by OpenMoko, Inc.
* Written by Werner Almesberger wer...@openmoko.org
* All Rights Reserved
*
* This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
* it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
* the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or
* (at your option) any later version.
*/
#include stdlib.h
#include stdio.h
#include unistd.h
#include string.h
#include time.h
#include fcntl.h
#include sys/ioctl.h
#include linux/rtc.h
#define DEFAULT_RTC /dev/rtc0
static const char *device = DEFAULT_RTC;
static int fd;
/* - Low-level wrappers */
static void read_alarm(struct rtc_wkalrm *alarm)
{
int res;
res = ioctl(fd, RTC_WKALM_RD, alarm);
if (res 0) {
perror(ioctl(RTC_WKALM_RD));
exit(1);
}
}
static void read_time(struct rtc_time *tm)
{
int res;
res = ioctl(fd, RTC_RD_TIME, tm);
if (res 0) {
perror(ioctl(RTC_RD_TIME));
exit(1);
}
}
static void write_alarm(const struct rtc_wkalrm *alarm)
{
int res;
res = ioctl(fd, RTC_WKALM_SET, alarm);
if (res 0) {
perror(ioctl(RTC_WKALM_SET));
exit(1);
}
}
/* - Date conversions -- */
static void show_alarm(void)
{
struct rtc_wkalrm alarm;
read_alarm(alarm);
if (!alarm.enabled)
printf(alarm disabled%s\n,
alarm.pending ? (pending) : );
else
printf(%02d:%02d:%02d %04d-%02d-%02d%s\n,
alarm.time.tm_hour, alarm.time.tm_min, alarm.time.tm_sec,
alarm.time.tm_year+1900, alarm.time.tm_mon+1,
alarm.time.tm_mday,
alarm.pending ? (pending) : );
}
static void set_alarm_abs(const char *t, const char *day)
{
fprintf(stderr, not yet implemented :-)\n);
exit(1);
}
static void set_alarm_delta(time_t delta)
{
struct rtc_wkalrm alarm;
struct tm tm, *tmp;
time_t t;
read_time(alarm.time);
memset(tm, 0, sizeof(tm));
tm.tm_sec = alarm.time.tm_sec;
tm.tm_min = alarm.time.tm_min;
tm.tm_hour = alarm.time.tm_hour;
tm.tm_mday = alarm.time.tm_mday;
tm.tm_mon = alarm.time.tm_mon;
tm.tm_year = alarm.time.tm_year;
t = mktime(tm);
if (t == (time_t) -1) {
fprintf(stderr, mktime: error\n);
exit(1);
}
t += delta;
tmp = localtime(t);
if (!tmp) {
fprintf(stderr, localtime_r: error\n);
exit(1);
}
alarm.time.tm_sec = tmp-tm_sec;
alarm.time.tm_min = tmp-tm_min;
alarm.time.tm_hour = tmp-tm_hour;
alarm.time.tm_mday = tmp-tm_mday;
alarm.time.tm_mon = tmp-tm_mon;
alarm.time.tm_year = tmp-tm_year;
alarm.enabled = 1;
write_alarm(alarm);
}
static void set_alarm_rel(const char *delta)
{
unsigned long n;
char *end;
n = strtoul(delta, end, 10);
if (!strcmp(end, d) || !strcmp(end, day) || !strcmp(end, days))
n *= 24*3600;
else if (!strcmp(end, h) || !strcmp(end, hour) ||
!strcmp(end, hours))
n *= 3600;
else if (!strcmp(end, m) || !strcmp(end, min) ||
!strcmp(end, mins))
n *= 60;
else if (strcmp(end, s) strcmp(end, sec)
strcmp(end, secs)) {
fprintf(stderr, invalid delta time \%s\\n, delta);
exit(1);
}
set_alarm_delta(n);
}
static void disable_alarm(void)
{
struct rtc_wkalrm alarm;
read_alarm(alarm);
alarm.enabled = 0;
write_alarm(alarm);
}
static void set_alarm_24h(const char *t)
{
fprintf(stderr, not yet implemented :-)\n);
exit(1);
}
static void set_alarm(const char *when)
{
if (*when == '+')
set_alarm_rel(when+1);
else
set_alarm_24h(when);
}
/* - Command line
Re: Accelerometers in Kernel 2.6.28-rc4
are you sure this isn't just the synchronization events? For me the problem looks like this. |type| |code| |-value-| 0006 - Seperator time 1 0006 0002 0048 - Value X1 0006 0002 0001 0024 - Value Y1 0006 0002 0002 0396 - Value Z1 0006 - Seperator time 2 (0.2ms higher than time1) 0006 0002 0048 - Value X2 (the same X1 ) 0006 0002 0001 0024 - Value Y2 (the same Y1 ) 0006 0002 0002 0396 - Value Z2 (the same Z1 ) 0006 - Seperator time 3 (2.5ms higher than time1) 0006 0002 0048 - Value X3 (new Value) I modified the python script from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_data_retrieval (see atachment) that it prints the ms. The result is the same. 204.269 -18 90 882 204.462 -18 90 882 206.635 -18 90 900 206.808 -18 90 900 209.127 -36 72 918 209.318 -36 72 918 211.595 -18 90 918 211.789 -18 90 918 214.056 -18 72 900 214.254 -18 72 900 Anything must have changed in the new Kernel, cause with the old kernel this problem doesn't appear. Is someone else reading out the Accs and does not have this problem? Greets Michael #!/usr/bin/python import struct from math import sqrt x = 0 y = 0 z = 0 secondsensorfile = /dev/input/event2 #int, int, short, short, int fmt = 'iihhi' #open file in binary mode in_file = open(secondsensorfile,rb) event = in_file.read(16) while event: (time1,time2, type, code, value) = \ struct.unpack(fmt,event) time = time2 / 1000.0 if type == 2: if code == 0: x = value if code == 1: y = value if code == 2: z = value if type == 0 and code == 0: sum = int(sqrt(x*x + y*y + z*z)) print time, x, y, z event = in_file.read(16) in_file.close() ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR Unstable
these issues with image form 13 january too, but I could turn on and off gsm in settings; newer images have other settings manager and gsm is not controlable through it yet. GSM is not controlable? I'm a developer of new shr-settings app, and GSM works for me. What problems do you have? If after click on GSM button nothing is displayed, then GSM resource is disabled - you have to run ophonekitd from console. (i commited some seconds ago patch to display info and button to start ophonekitd from shr-settings). If ophonekitd is failing all the time, i suggest to install zhone to test, if it's FSO or SHR problem. dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Accelerometers in Kernel 2.6.28-rc4
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | are you sure this isn't just the synchronization events? | | For me the problem looks like this. | | |type| |code| |-value-| | 0006 - Seperator time 1 | 0006 0002 0048 - Value X1 | 0006 0002 0001 0024 - Value Y1 | 0006 0002 0002 0396 - Value Z1 | 0006 - Seperator time 2 (0.2ms higher than time1) | 0006 0002 0048 - Value X2 (the same X1 ) This is reminding me of a problem we have with level interrupts on pcf50633 new driver, we also get twice the same interrupt there although the density of interrupts is so low and logically it cannot get confused so it doesn't make trouble. We also changed lis302dl to use level interrupts so it's suspicious now we see this behaviour that is so similar. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkl8XEMACgkQOjLpvpq7dMoBAwCgk58mQwThsSpQKsgdM1A8y1ok KsIAn34sAwxQsBr1fd/qSuuM4yIaqDyf =/VOZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] e17 from fso repos
If someone interested, i have packaged e17 for debian, you can download it on www.mikecrash.com Maybe you are interested in helping debian pkg-e team in making official packages? The issues are: - large package base, and extremely low manpower in the team; - constant API breakages in e libs, not handled properly by upstream - so library packages have to be renamed, and upgrade paths provided. - debian/ dirs in e svn just ignore issues, so can't be useful signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR Unstable
Ok, ophonekitd solved the problem. GSM is not controlable? I'm a developer of new shr-settings app, and GSM works for me. What problems do you have? If after click on GSM button nothing is displayed, then GSM resource is disabled - you have to run ophonekitd from console. (i commited some seconds ago patch to display info and button to start ophonekitd from shr-settings). If ophonekitd is failing all the time, i suggest to install zhone to test, if it's FSO or SHR problem. dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Meaning of last digit of %CSQ: 99, 99, 0
Am Sunday 25 January 2009 09:40:57 schrieb William Kenworthy: Does anyone have an idea what the meaning of the last digit is? (watch screen wrap :) Feb 1 09:11:42 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : %CSQ: 99, 99, 0 The first 99 is signal strength (99=unknown), second is BER (99=undetectable) but all the guides Ive looked at dont mention the third - so far I have seen, 0, 1 and 2 there. The last parameter maps the signal strength to 0...4 (typical range for featurephones that show a list of bars in the top panel). -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Over-quoting (was: Re: tangoGPS 0.9.5 is out)
Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com writes: 2009/1/25 arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de: ps: please cut the mail to the necessary minimum when replying. Sure, didn't realise it was an issue. Is it for bandwith/storage, readibility or something else? well, it is a tad annoying -- to have mail that stretches over several pages with basically nothing but a single line appended. The right client could handle that for you; as Google Mail (for example) does. Are you serious? Quotes are needed to remember context but you suggest to quote the whole mail with no apparent reason and to hide them later? WTF? I'm so tired of all that over-quoting and top-posting! Can't you people have a little respect for others? Take a look at RFC1855, at least it has some sane reasoning. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: which file system for sd card?
Sean McNeil wrote: Neither of those filesystems are appropriate for sd cards. They have wear leveling logic that is not necessary or a good thing as it is already done in firmware for sd. An efficient journaled filesystem not designed for memory devices (like ext3) would be best. A quick net reading tells me that wear leveling works by counting writes and remapping sectors. Still wearing doesn't go away. It's also not clear what are the limitations of wear leveling. How much space remapping requires (or is reserved beforehand) and thus how many sectors can be remapped and whether it also suffers from wearing problems itself. Although wearing is not important for my specific use (mostly static storage of maps), I think a journaled file system essentially duplicates the writes in terms of data and might have some extra writes for extra data structures. Thus, speculating a bit, a journaled file system uses more space, causes more writings and can put more strain on wear leveling (the journal, in addition to the file system data structures). Another issue, actually the most important for this use, is read performance. FAT has the advantage of requiring simple logic but indexing it's poor (I think it does a sequential access on each relevant directory table). I guess it also depends a bit on the FAT implementation (I've read subjective claims that Linux implementation is not the best). Unfortunately a quick search didn't return really interesting benchmarks. Cheers, Fernando ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: which file system for sd card?
Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano wrote: William Kenworthy ha scritto: I found vfat clearly better (less susceptible to corruption) than ext2, however ext3 is better than vfat, but will still play up at times. Using it for OSM maps BillK IMHO the best fs for sd is vfat if you don't care about permission, so if you have to put your photos or docs on it, else ext2 is BETTER than ext3 in this case for a simple reason, it doesn't have the journal. Not having the journal imlies a redouced number of write to sd and a reduced probability to get the data lost. I'm not sure I follow your logic favoring ext2. The point of ext3 journal is exactly to control for errors. Even if you get globally more chance of errors with ext3, you should only consider the errors in the journal. I mean, a write to ext2 is equivalent to a write in ext3's journal, since from here, ext3 guarantees no errors in the fs, even if takes more tries to update it. So, if the transfer from the journal to the fs itself is guaranteed, then the comparison should be between ext2 and the ext3's journal, right? Anyway, I'm also inclined for FAT, mostly for the simplicity (thus less susceptibility to corruption) and universality of the fs. I'm just left wondering about performance, in particular as a storage for maps. Cheers, Fernando ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR Unstable
And yet another thing to note is that the Messages app doesn't refresh when a new sms comes. Need to restart Messages. 2009/1/25 wp wpmaill...@gmail.com Ok, ophonekitd solved the problem. GSM is not controlable? I'm a developer of new shr-settings app, and GSM works for me. What problems do you have? If after click on GSM button nothing is displayed, then GSM resource is disabled - you have to run ophonekitd from console. (i commited some seconds ago patch to display info and button to start ophonekitd from shr-settings). If ophonekitd is failing all the time, i suggest to install zhone to test, if it's FSO or SHR problem. dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Over-quoting (was: Re: tangoGPS 0.9.5 is out)
I'm so tired of all that over-quoting and top-posting! Can't you people have a little respect for others? Take a look at RFC1855, at least it has some sane reasoning. Please allow me to quote RFC1855 at you; - A good rule of thumb: Be conservative in what you send and liberal in what you receive. Then maybe we can get on with freeing mobile phones. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [omview] images not diplayed
I have the same problem, and I've tried several versions and it only showed one image once, but then never again :) When starting epsilon_thumbd manually nothing really special happens. i.e. the messages about connect(): no such file or directory is still there Sometimes I also get: Invalid filename given: Epsilon expects the full path to file Anything else I can do to debug? - Gunnar the Failed to connect to server message means omview can't connect to epsilon_thumbd which it tries to start but is seems it doesn't find it. Can you start the epsilon_thumbd program by hand and launch omview afterwards? It should be in the libepsilon_tests package (it's a dependency of the ipk from projects.openmoko.org/community repository). And from where is the package of omview you use? It's a bit late, I hope omview wasn't broken the whole time with the om-image ... hendrik ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is there an echo-free distro?
Thanks for pointing me at SHR unstable. I tried SHR in December, but this time my first 2 calls have been echo free, so that is good. I will, thankfully, be using my Freerunner as my daily phone this week. Cheers ezuall -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Is-there-an-echo-free-distro--tp2162879p2213292.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Over-quoting
Paul Fertser wrote: I'm so tired of all that over-quoting and top-posting! Can't you people have a little respect for others? Take a look at RFC1855, at least it has some sane reasoning. Well, since it is weekend I went to check TFM for you :-). I guess the relevant parts are: - If you are forwarding or re-posting a message you've received, do not change the wording. If the message was a personal message to you and you are re-posting to a group, you should ask permission first. You may shorten the message and quote only relevant parts, but be sure you give proper attribution. - Read all of a discussion in progress (we call this a thread) before posting replies. Avoid posting Me Too messages, where content is limited to agreement with previous posts. Content of a follow-up post should exceed quoted content. - If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just enough text of the original to give a context. This will make sure readers understand when they start to read your response. Since NetNews, especially, is proliferated by distributing the postings from one host to another, it is possible to see a response to a message before seeing the original. Giving context helps everyone. But do not include the entire original! There are a few comments regarding top-postings, the one I preferred being: Top quotes vs. inline quotesI gree that if it's a complex matter inline quotes give you necessary context. But if I'm in a hurry - e.g. at an Internet Cafe dealing with a lot of email, a top quote can work well. It's a matter for the poster to use good judgement, rather than rigid rules. (pmarmite) Anyway, this is off-topic for the discussion. Cheers, Fernando ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR Unstable
wp escribió: I'm using shr-unstable aswell, but from 13th january. Newer versions have not working gsm, and have that very annoying issue program crashed and left no error log when accesing contacts or messages. I'm flashing every new images to see if it is solved, because this the best distribution I used so far. Good work! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I've been using shr unstable from jan 23rd and I can confirm the crashing. It did, however worked great until I tried to start numptyphysics (meaning I could send and receive calls without any issues, and they were echo-free). After starting numpty, the neo crashed badly i.e. screen not responding and filled with different colors vertical lines, so i had to remove the battery and start the phone again. After that the dialer app has never worked (crashes all the time), and neither does contacts or anything that accesses the SIM Regards, Tom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Obama The Judas Goat
Obama The Judas Goat 1/25/2009 By David Duke Judas Goat\ A goat that leads other goats or sheep to slaughter. Also, one who entices into danger and betrays others. The name is an allusion to Judas Iscariot, who betrayed Jesus for 30 pieces of slaughter. (From Merriam Websters Dictionary) Barack Hussein Obama is a Judas Goat. Extremist Jews guided Barack Hussein Obamas career from day one, even all the way back to Harvard Law School. Radical Zionist hitman, David Axelrod previously orchestrated the Jewish-financed and organized defeat of perceived anti-Zionist Sen. Charles Percy. He is the man who ran Obamas campaign for President and who is his chief handler. Obamas campaign was overwhelmingly financed by the most powerful Zionist bankers in the world. His campaigns largest contribution source was the Zionist international banking firm of Goldman Sachs. (FEC campaign records). In both Obamas Senate and Presidential campaign he prostrated himself before AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) promising even more money and blood for Israels terrorism than even the supine John McCain, and even more money and blood than the previous Shabbez Goy in the White House, George Bush. Before the Israeli terrorism and mass murder in Gaza, he went to Israel and said that he supported Israels planned murderous terrorism against the men, women and children of Gaza. His first act as President-elect was to appoint a rabid Zionist, Israeli dual citizen who served in the Israeli Army as his Chief of Staff, Rahm Emmanuel. As thousands of women and children in Gaza were killed or maimed, Obama remained silent. Within a few days as President Obama supported indiscriminate American missile strikes in villages of our ally Pakistan, a clear continuation of Bushs policies. He completely supports the theft of trillions of American taxpayer dollars to the Zionist international bankers. Eighty percent of American Jews voted for Obama, and all the main leaders of the Jewish Supremacist state of Israel have proclaimed Obama as the perfect man for U.S. President. What better for the Zionists to have their own servant perceived as a clean break from the Jewish extremist-controlled Bush administration? What better than for the Zionists than to have their Shabbez Goy be treated by the worlds press and even by much of the anti-Zionist community as a man of real change? What better for the Zionists than for the world to think that Obama will be a change from the Zionist-controlled policies when he willing to do anything that Israel demands? What better for the Zionist murderers to have their craven puppet be looked at by the whole world as a man of honor and integrity and fairness. In the slaughterhouse, the Judas Goat is often painted with bright colors, adorned with strong, sweet scents to lure the sheep to their pens and to their death. Obama, the Judas Goat of our time, is looked upon by millions of Zionist-propagandized sheep as the man who will lead them to salvation. Instead, he leads America, Palestine and the world to the bloody altar of Jewish Supremacism. Any supposed anti-Zionist who praises Barack Obama is actually aiding this Judas Goat to lead us all to slaughter. Every person who truly opposes Jewish extremism must speak out and expose the Judas Goat named Barack Obama! Dr. David Duke Former Member of the House of Representatives State of Louisiana United States of America It is up to you the people of the United States who can still think freely, and up to all of the people of the world who are able to see through the deceptions of the Zionist-influenced Global media to get this simple, powerful message to everyone on earth. Email this message to your friends, post it on forums and websites and put links to it on every website, facebook or other media in the world. Go and seek out media and Internet sites not controlled by Zionist power. Make youtube videos of this message, (use the short audio and find good illustrative pictures) and post it untill your fingers are worn and tired, print it and mail it to newspapers or any media outlet that has still not fallen under the propaganda of the Zionists. Let the world know the truth. Person by person, in the USA, Canada, UK, France, Germany, Italy, japan, Russia, China, Africa, Palestine, South America and across the whole world this Judas Goat must be exposed for what he is, so that when begins to do his evil for Israel, the whole world will know exactly what is going on and resist! Source : http://www.davidduke.com/general/obama-the-judas-goat_7317.html Why is the President of Israel, the terrorist who just oversaw the Zionist mass murder and maiming of thousands of Palestinians so happy that Obama is President of the USA? by David Duke Read the excerpt from the Israeli News about how President Perez and Israel think that Obamas becoming U.S.
Re: Obama The Judas Goat
Why is it related to OpenMoko Community? *sigh* -- Jonathan Marsaud z...@ubuntu.com GNU/Linux The dynamic duo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR Unstable
Tomas Riveros Schober wrote: so i had to remove the battery and start the phone again. After that the dialer app has never worked (crashes all the time), and neither does contacts or anything that accesses the SIM Have you checked to make sure that your SIM is seated correctly? Try removing it and putting it back in to make sure, it's possible that when removing the battery you opened the SIM holder's catches slightly and it's no longer making correct contact. Cheers, Mike. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR Unstable
2009/1/25 wp wpmaill...@gmail.com: Well, it's as I said: gsm is not working for me and these programs still crash. Maybe it's because of my provider, dunno. Since writing what I wrote earlier, I've had one of those crashes too, when writing a message. I think it was when I tried to switch keyboards. So, sorry for the misdirection! Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR Unstable
I can confirm crashes. And I think it's a problem with ophonekitd: When It just turns on if I search for the process ophonekitd I get: r...@om-gta02 ~ $ ps aux |grep ophone root 1397 3.4 4.8 38032 5896 ?Sl 16:18 0:03 ophonekitd root 1457 0.0 0.4 2084 552 pts/3S+ 16:20 0:00 grep ophone A few seconds later, I get: r...@om-gta02 ~ $ ps aux |grep ophone root 1461 0.0 0.4 2080 540 pts/3S+ 16:20 0:00 grep ophone And, If I try to run ophonekitd: r...@om-gta02 ~ $ export DISPLAY=:0 r...@om-gta02 ~ $ ophonekitd ** (process:1500): DEBUG: Entering ecore loop ** (process:1500): DEBUG: Phonegui initiated ** (process:1500): DEBUG: Phonelog database initiated ** (process:1500): DEBUG: Entering glib main loop ** (process:1500): DEBUG: /org/shr/ophonekitd/Usage ** (process:1500): DEBUG: Trying to get the system bus ** (process:1500): DEBUG: Adding signals. ** (process:1500): DEBUG: Added sim AuthStatus. ** (process:1500): DEBUG: Added sim IncomingStoredMessage. ** (process:1500): DEBUG: Initiated elementary ** (process:1500): DEBUG: Added call CallStatus. ** (process:1500): DEBUG: Added device Idle Notifier State. ** (process:1500): DEBUG: Added network IncomingUssd. ** (process:1500): DEBUG: Connected to the buses ** (process:1500): DEBUG: list_resources() ** (process:1500): DEBUG: list_resources_callback() ** (process:1500): DEBUG: Resource WiFi available ** (process:1500): DEBUG: Resource Display available ** (process:1500): DEBUG: Resource Bluetooth available ** (process:1500): DEBUG: Resource TEST available ** (process:1500): DEBUG: Resource GSM available ** (process:1500): DEBUG: Request GSM resource ** (process:1500): DEBUG: Initiated etk ** (process:1500): DEBUG: request_resource_callback() ** (process:1500): DEBUG: call ogsmd_device_set_antenna_power() ** (process:1500): DEBUG: ophonekitd_sim_auth_status_handler() ** (process:1500): DEBUG: sim ready ** (process:1500): DEBUG: power_up_antenna_callback() ** (process:1500): DEBUG: register_to_network_callback() ** (process:1500): DEBUG: get_messagebook_info_callback() ** (process:1500): DEBUG: ogsmd_sim_retrieve_phonebook_callback() Unknown SIM error: Antenna powered off or SIM not unlocked yet, 77 (dbus-glib-er ror-quark), code 32 This sim has the pin disabled so I don't think the error is that the sim is locked ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR Unstable
2009/1/25 Tomas Riveros Schober trive...@enable.cl: until I tried to start numptyphysics (meaning I could send and receive calls without any issues, and they were echo-free). After starting numpty, the neo crashed badly i.e. screen not responding and filled with different colors vertical lines, so i had to remove the battery and start the phone again. That all happened for me too. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR Unstable
2009/1/25 Michael Sheldon m...@mikeasoft.com Tomas Riveros Schober wrote: so i had to remove the battery and start the phone again. After that the dialer app has never worked (crashes all the time), and neither does contacts or anything that accesses the SIM Have you checked to make sure that your SIM is seated correctly? Try removing it and putting it back in to make sure, it's possible that when removing the battery you opened the SIM holder's catches slightly and it's no longer making correct contact. Cheers, Mike. My sim worked fine with SHR testing and I haven't removed my sim or battery. I just flash the unstable version. Regards, Nacho ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Obama — The Judas Goat
Why is it related to OpenMoko Community? *sigh* please! think twice be adding to that spam! it's simply forged -- and since the archives are avaliable a bot easily compiles a list of both lists and addresses to send spam elsewhere. the best course of action, is to delete an forget it, the subject is a pretty good hint ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Over-quoting (was: Re: tangoGPS 0.9.5 is out)
2009/1/25 Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com: Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com writes: The right client could handle that for you; as Google Mail (for example) does. Are you serious? Quotes are needed to remember context but you suggest to quote the whole mail with no apparent reason and to hide them later? WTF? I think using software to solve a trivial problem is better than getting cross about it, yes. I certainly don't suggest quoting a whole mail; but if others do, you can make life easier for yourself on receipt. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Forged Emails (was Obama — The Judas Goat)
On Sunday 25 January 2009 16:29:26 Jonathan Marsaud wrote: Why is it related to OpenMoko Community? *sigh* Its another one with faked headers (it also appeared on announce), don't see what they hope to achieve by targeting OM though. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: which file system for sd card?
Fernando Martins ha scritto: Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano wrote: William Kenworthy ha scritto: I found vfat clearly better (less susceptible to corruption) than ext2, however ext3 is better than vfat, but will still play up at times. Using it for OSM maps BillK IMHO the best fs for sd is vfat if you don't care about permission, so if you have to put your photos or docs on it, else ext2 is BETTER than ext3 in this case for a simple reason, it doesn't have the journal. Not having the journal imlies a redouced number of write to sd and a reduced probability to get the data lost. My point is: journal could avoid errors and prevent some corruption, ok nothing to say about that. BUT if the journal is on the same partition of the sd (and of course usually is like that), and the partition becomes unusable you loose journal and fs, so, no benefit from journal. If the kernel is writing to journal META-DATA (yeah, meta data not the real data) it's not writing the datas, if it's writing the data, the journal is not up to date. These additional writes given by the journal gives an extra possibility to loose the data and make the fs slow. Last but not least argument is that if you loose some data you can have a journal giving you the right logical data reconstruction but it can occur that a file is logically well represented but the data of the file are in some manner lost or corrupted. So, if my argumentation are not totally wrong, ext2 is better than ext3 in sd card if the comparison is between ext2, ext3 and FAT. Bye Pietro P.S. obviously IMHO ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Forged Emails
Am Sunday 25 January 2009 17:46:47 schrieb George Brooke: On Sunday 25 January 2009 16:29:26 Jonathan Marsaud wrote: Why is it related to OpenMoko Community? *sigh* Its another one with faked headers (it also appeared on announce), don't see what they hope to achieve by targeting OM though. solar.george They don't target OM specifically, they simply use some script to grab millions of mail addresses and then send spam to/from/whatever them. -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is there an echo-free distro?
Yogiz wrote: Hi, I'm currently using a quite customized but up to date version of Om2008.9 testing (equal to Om2008.12?). It otherwise wonderful but I still can't use the Freerunner as a normal cellphone with it yet as I still get echo on the other side both for calls coming in and for the ones going out. My other phone is basically falling apart so I'll need to move to Freerunner for phone calls as well so I'd like to ask, which distros are currently the best for it. As I've understood the FSO does not have the echo problem [citation needed] so I thought I'd move to that. Are there any better options? I'd prefer a distro where I can use opkg but If none of these have decent call quality then I'll settle for something else. Yogiz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I use QtE 4.4.2 and have no echo with this fix: http://www.csamuel.org/2009/01/08/echo-suppression-fix-for-qt-extended-442-on-openmoko-neo No problem with the sound either (I use only this fix, not the fix that replaces the .state files) It works on 4.4.1 too Happy hacking Alexander Frøyseth AlecTBM ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR Unstable
Michael Sheldon escribió: Tomas Riveros Schober wrote: so i had to remove the battery and start the phone again. After that the dialer app has never worked (crashes all the time), and neither does contacts or anything that accesses the SIM Have you checked to make sure that your SIM is seated correctly? Try removing it and putting it back in to make sure, it's possible that when removing the battery you opened the SIM holder's catches slightly and it's no longer making correct contact. Cheers, Mike I've just reseated the sim card and I still have crashes on both apps (also, the contacts apps no longer shos anything, it's like it cannot read it properly anymore) regards, Tom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangoGPS 0.9.5 is out
Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com writes: The right client could handle that for you; as Google Mail (for example) does. But gmail is proprietary software so it doesn't count :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangoGPS 0.9.5 is out
On Sunday 25 January 2009 17:47:00 Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com writes: The right client could handle that for you; as Google Mail (for example) does. But gmail is proprietary software so it doesn't count :-) KMail solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
re: spam
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009, arne anka wrote: the best course of action, is to delete an forget it, the subject is a pretty good hint ... And perhaps for openmoko to start publishing SPF records Paul ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: spam
I really don't care what type of sun tanning lotion they are using. But there's not much you can do about forged headers and open relays. (d) --- Damian A. Spriggs Writer: Weekly World Shrew http://www.weeklyworldshrew.com On Jan 25, 2009, at 12:50 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: And perhaps for openmoko to start publishing SPF records Paul ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is there an echo-free distro?
From: Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com Date: January 24, 2009 2:21:45 PM PST To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Is there an echo-free distro? Reply-To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org 2009/1/23 ezuall ezu...@gmail.com: Thanks for that, I will give that new SHR distro a try this weekend. I am trying SHR-unstable now. I called my wife today, and she said something like ah, at last, a normal sound. She confirmed that the echo was much reduced; there was still something there, but very quiet and not significantly distracting. A bit of a newb question that I've been meaning to ask and this seems to be the right context to ask it in. Are you generally happy with your device ? My Treo just went four-paws and I'm not happy with the models I've seen on offer that I might replace it with. I'm not at all averse to software with rough edges, compiling/ building my own kernels, texting from the CLI, etc. I do need the FR to act like a fairly reliable phone though, both here in the US and in Europe. I travel a lot for work and projects, so a GSM phone I can just swap SIMs on along with being a hackable Linux platform has some appeal. How many of you out there with FRs are using them actively as an everyday phone device, in addition to something to hack on ? It would be good to hear feedback from users/developers in Germany and Italy (where I'll be next month) in addition to inside the US(I live in CA). Thanks, -Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: which file system for sd card?
From: Sean McNeil s...@mcneil.com Date: January 24, 2009 6:32:28 PM PST To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: which file system for sd card? Reply-To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org thewire wrote: The Digital Pioneer пишет: The only reason they come with FAT is so windoze can use it. That said, I don't know much about filesystems, but I would generally go with EXT2/3 over FAT. I'm no fs expert either, but i would generally advise to use jffs2 or ubifs, as they are specially designed for use in flash memory devices. Note that ubifs requires kernel = 2.6.27. Neither of those filesystems are appropriate for sd cards. They have wear leveling logic that is not necessary or a good thing as it is already done in firmware for sd. An efficient journaled filesystem not designed for memory devices (like ext3) would be best. Actually, if you're not going to use VFAT, I'd use ext2. It's going to be about 20% or so faster because it won't be doing the journaling that ext3 does and the journaling could shorten the lifetime of the SD card. Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: which file system for sd card?
From: thewire li...@w23.ru Date: January 24, 2009 3:32:54 PM PST To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: which file system for sd card? Reply-To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org The Digital Pioneer пишет: The only reason they come with FAT is so windoze can use it. That said, I don't know much about filesystems, but I would generally go with EXT2/3 over FAT. I'm no fs expert either, but i would generally advise to use jffs2 or ubifs, as they are specially designed for use in flash memory devices. Note that ubifs requires kernel = 2.6.27. I would actually advise against this because, as others have pointed out, SD has internal wear-leveling built-in that other flash media don't. Running a software wear-leveling algorithm against a device that has it's own built-in one is not good for performance or for the actual wear-leveling. It's like trying to do software RAID overtop existing HW RAID. It wastes cycles, likely produces pathological cases in both the software and hardware algorithms and might actually be worse for the media itself in the end. I'd go with either VFAT or ext2. Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR Unstable
Maybe this could be helpfully. If I launch ophonekitd from ssh, suspend it with ctrl+z, and then if i wait some seconds and bring it to foreground the ophonekitd doesn't't crash. This is what I have done. Some seconds after the FR boots. I make a ssh conection and test if ophonekitd is still running and if it isn't I do what I've just explained: r...@om-gta02 ~ $ ps aux |grep ophonekitd root 1472 0.0 0.4 2080 540 pts/0S+ 20:47 0:00 grep ophonekitd r...@om-gta02 ~ $ export DISPLAY=:0 r...@om-gta02 ~ $ ophonekitd ** (process:1473): DEBUG: Entering ecore loop ** (process:1473): DEBUG: Phonegui initiated ** (process:1473): DEBUG: Phonelog database initiated ** (process:1473): DEBUG: Entering glib main loop ** (process:1473): DEBUG: /org/shr/ophonekitd/Usage ** (process:1473): DEBUG: Trying to get the system bus ** (process:1473): DEBUG: Adding signals. ** (process:1473): DEBUG: Added sim AuthStatus. ** (process:1473): DEBUG: Added sim IncomingStoredMessage. ** (process:1473): DEBUG: Added call CallStatus. ** (process:1473): DEBUG: Added device Idle Notifier State. ** (process:1473): DEBUG: Added network IncomingUssd. ** (process:1473): DEBUG: Connected to the buses ** (process:1473): DEBUG: list_resources() ** (process:1473): DEBUG: Initiated elementary ** (process:1473): DEBUG: list_resources_callback() ** (process:1473): DEBUG: Resource WiFi available ** (process:1473): DEBUG: Resource Display available ** (process:1473): DEBUG: Resource Bluetooth available ** (process:1473): DEBUG: Resource TEST available ** (process:1473): DEBUG: Resource GSM available ** (process:1473): DEBUG: Request GSM resource ** (process:1473): DEBUG: Initiated etk ** (process:1473): DEBUG: idle notifier state handler called, id 3 ** (process:1473): DEBUG: request_resource_callback() ** (process:1473): DEBUG: call ogsmd_device_set_antenna_power() ^Z[1] + Stoppedophonekitd r...@om-gta02 ~ $ fg ophonekitd ** (process:1473): DEBUG: idle notifier state handler called, id 4 ** (process:1473): DEBUG: ophonekitd_sim_auth_status_handler() ** (process:1473): DEBUG: sim ready ** (process:1473): DEBUG: power_up_antenna_callback() ** (process:1473): DEBUG: idle notifier state handler called, id 5 ** (process:1473): DEBUG: power status: 0 ** (process:1473): DEBUG: register_to_network_callback() ** (process:1473): DEBUG: get_messagebook_info_callback() ** (process:1473): DEBUG: messagebook info: first: 1, last 50, used: 3, total 50 ** (process:1473): DEBUG: ogsmd_sim_retrieve_phonebook_callback() ** (process:1473): DEBUG: creating contact_cache ** (process:1473): DEBUG: idle notifier state handler called, id 0 ** (process:1473): DEBUG: idle notifier state handler called, id 1 ** (process:1473): DEBUG: idle notifier state handler called, id 0 ** (process:1473): DEBUG: idle notifier state handler called, id 1 ** (process:1473): DEBUG: ophonekitd_incoming_ussd_handler(mode=0, message=Su saldo es de 0,00 euros v?lido hasta el 7/03/09.) ** (process:1473): DEBUG: phonegui_ussd_show(mode=0, message=Su saldo es de 0,00 euros v?lido hasta el 7/03/09.) ** (process:1473): DEBUG: event_callback() ** (process:1473): DEBUG: _show() ** (process:1473): DEBUG: window_init(win=400224) ** (process:1473): DEBUG: window_view_show() ** (process:1473): DEBUG: window_view_hide() ** (process:1473): DEBUG: No frame to hide ** (process:1473): DEBUG: idle notifier state handler called, id 2 ** (process:1473): DEBUG: idle notifier state handler called, id 0 ** (process:1473): DEBUG: window_view_hide() ** (process:1473): DEBUG: _reset() ** (process:1473): DEBUG: calling exit_cb() ** (process:1473): DEBUG: exit_callback() ** (process:1473): DEBUG: call status handler called, id: 1, status: 1 ** (process:1473): DEBUG: outgoing call ** (process:1473): DEBUG: ophonekitd_call_check(1) ** (process:1473): DEBUG: phonelog - add new call, number: 605xx ** (process:1473): DEBUG: ophonekitd_call_add(1, 5) ** (process:1473): DEBUG: phonelog - logging call event, unique id: 5, status: 1 ** (process:1473): DEBUG: looking for '605xx' in contacts_cache ** (process:1473): DEBUG: instance_manager_add: type=1, id=1, window=400320 ** (process:1473): DEBUG: malloc'ed ** (process:1473): DEBUG: add window: 0 ** (process:1473): DEBUG: done ** (process:1473): DEBUG: event_callback() ** (process:1473): DEBUG: window_init(win=400320) ** (process:1473): DEBUG: window_view_show() ** (process:1473): DEBUG: window_view_hide() ** (process:1473): DEBUG: call_active_show() ** (process:1473): DEBUG: idle notifier state handler called, id 1 ** (process:1473): DEBUG: call status handler called, id: 1, status: 2 ** (process:1473): DEBUG: active call ** (process:1473): DEBUG: ophonekitd_call_check(1) ** (process:1473): DEBUG: ophonekitd_call_check(1) ** (process:1473): DEBUG: ophonekitd_call_get_unique_id(1) ** (process:1473): DEBUG: ophonekitd_call_check(1) ** (process:1473): DEBUG: phonelog - logging call event, unique id: 5, status: 2 ** (process:1473): DEBUG:
Re: [2008.12] GPS from python
I have always used the gps.py module that is included with linux on my desktop distros (debian, ubuntu etc). It can usually be found here: /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/gps.py I am dunning Debian on my Freerunner, I copied gps.py from my desktop to the same location on the phone and it works just fine! Usage goes like this: Python 2.5.2 (r252:60911, Feb 22 2008, 07:57:53) [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5363)] on darwin Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. import gps g = gps.gps() g.query(admosy) g.fix.latitude 34.432875 More examples using gps.py here: http://www.perrygeo.net/wordpress/?p=13 On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 5:23 AM, Nicolas Laurance nlaura...@zindep.comwrote: you might want to read the thread http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td786643 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
new terminal in opkg.org - vala-terminal
Vala-terminal works (tested) with Om2008.12 and Debian. http://www.opkg.org/package_112.html I think it is the best terminal in phone, but let me know if it miss something (at least join in discussion about color of background). http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Vala-terminal -Aapo Rantalainen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: which file system for sd card - for Wiki
arne anka wrote: if it is not yet in the wiki, somebody should probably gather the bits from the archives and put it there -- it seem to be a rather recurrent question. I wrote the following text which I can put somewhere in the wiki. Since I'm no authority on the matter, I would appreciate feedback from the list beforehand. = I got a new SD card. Which file system is the best? In general, vfat or ext2 are the most recommended. Vfat might already be the fs in your card when you got a new one. It has the advantage of being recognised in many other systems. The data structures are simpler which might mean less writes on the sd-card and less code being executed (this statement should have some objective verification) and you'll find more tools available to recover information when you get errors. ext is Linux centric but one of the most tested and tuned. It is also a faster file system than vfat (citation?) and most importantly, if you need, it supports permissions, which vfat doesn't. What about file systems like jffs2 and ubifs, which are aware of flash card wearing? SD cards, according to SanDisk specs, should have wear leveling logic, which controls the number of writes and remaps blocks as needed. Wear-aware file systems might actually play against the logic of the card are usually not recommendable. What about journaled file systems like ext3? The advantage is that it will maintain your data in a consistent state. However, the journal uses extra space and will impose more writes in the sd card, thus decreasing performance and wearing the card. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Obama --- The Judas Goat
Jonathan Marsaud wrote: Why is it related to OpenMoko Community? *sigh* i suspect its another spam, similar to the earlier one. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new terminal in opkg.org - vala-terminal
Aapo Rantalainen aapo.rantalai...@gmail.com writes: I think it is the best terminal in phone, but let me know if it miss something (at least join in discussion about color of background). $ git clone http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=vala-terminal.git Initialized empty Git repository in /home/lindi/tmp/?p=vala-terminal/.git/ error: The requested URL returned error: 403 warning: remote HEAD refers to nonexistent ref, unable to checkout. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: which file system for sd card?
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 3:56:26 am Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano wrote: My point is: journal could avoid errors and prevent some corruption, ok nothing to say about that. Journals are really to allow the filesystem to present a consistent view after a crash or failure and to try and avoid lengthy fsck's and the guesswork that is entailed in them. So for ext3 the default behaviour is to only flush the journalled metadata of files after the file data has hit disk (hence why its' called ordered mode). Other filesystems make different guarantees about journals and file data (and so will ext3 if you mount with journal=writeback). Regarding journal corruption - yes it can be an issue which is why ext4 (no longer marked experimental in 2.6.28) checksums the journal. Filesystems like btrfs (merged as very experimental for 2.6.29) take a different approach, they are copy-on-write and so write new data blocks out to different areas of the filesystem and then update the metadata to replace the old with the new so you (should) have atomic updates and hence avoid the need for journalling. Btrfs itself also checksums the data on disk so it will know if data is corrupted and (if you have two partitions in a RAID1 arrangement) will attempt to recover the data from the other partition (and yes, that does work). cheers! Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is there an echo-free distro?
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 4:04:27 am Alexander Frøyseth wrote: I use QtE 4.4.2 and have no echo with this fix: http://www.csamuel.org/2009/01/08/echo-suppression-fix-for-qt-extended-442- on-openmoko-neo Thanks for confirming it works for you too! No problem with the sound either (I use only this fix, not the fix that replaces the .state files) I actually had to edit them, but only because it was too loud for my ears, not because of any echo! :-) -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Meaning of last digit of %CSQ: 99, 99, 0
Thanks, makes sense. BillK On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 14:30 +0100, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Am Sunday 25 January 2009 09:40:57 schrieb William Kenworthy: Does anyone have an idea what the meaning of the last digit is? (watch screen wrap :) Feb 1 09:11:42 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : %CSQ: 99, 99, 0 The first 99 is signal strength (99=unknown), second is BER (99=undetectable) but all the guides Ive looked at dont mention the third - so far I have seen, 0, 1 and 2 there. The last parameter maps the signal strength to 0...4 (typical range for featurephones that show a list of bars in the top panel). -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner LightSaber
Hello Kris, Thanks a million!! What a laugh! I use it on OM2008.12. I'm starting it up with a dirty little script to set /sys/devices/platform/lis302dl.2/threshold value to 5 during play, and to then set it back to whatever the value was before. Thanks to matthias for this tip. --start--- #!/bin/bash # Scriptname: /usr/bin/start-ko-lightsaber # Edit /usr/share/applications/ko-lightsaber.desktop to use this script # Get the threshold value THRESHOLD=`cat /sys/devices/platform/lis302dl.2/threshold` # Adjust accellorometer threshold to 5 (Thanks for this tip matthias!) echo 5 /sys/devices/platform/lis302dl.2/threshold # Start lightsaber /usr/bin/ko-lightsaber # Put system settings back the way they were... echo $THRESHOLD /sys/devices/platform/lis302dl.2/threshold ---end--- kris Occhipinti wrote: Well, a few months ago, before I have a FreeRunner I saw a LightSaber application for the iPhone, I thought was neat. So, I made My own for the FreeRunner Yesterday. Here is the link http://filmsbykris.com/freerunner-debian/ko-user/ko-lightsaber.tar.gz -- Regards, Jan Henkins ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangoGPS 0.9.5 is out
2009/1/25 Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi: Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com writes: The right client could handle that for you; as Google Mail (for example) does. But gmail is proprietary software so it doesn't count :-) That is a good point, which I think I've been ignoring without even realizing it, until now; time to review... Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: which file system for sd card?
On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 15:15 +0100, Fernando Martins wrote: Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano wrote: William Kenworthy ha scritto: I found vfat clearly better (less susceptible to corruption) than ext2, however ext3 is better than vfat, but will still play up at times. Using it for OSM maps BillK IMHO the best fs for sd is vfat if you don't care about permission, so if you have to put your photos or docs on it, else ext2 is BETTER than ext3 in this case for a simple reason, it doesn't have the journal. Not having the journal imlies a redouced number of write to sd and a reduced probability to get the data lost. I'm not sure I follow your logic favoring ext2. The point of ext3 journal is exactly to control for errors. Even if you get globally more chance of errors with ext3, you should only consider the errors in the journal. I mean, a write to ext2 is equivalent to a write in ext3's journal, since from here, ext3 guarantees no errors in the fs, even if takes more tries to update it. So, if the transfer from the journal to the fs itself is guaranteed, then the comparison should be between ext2 and the ext3's journal, right? Anyway, I'm also inclined for FAT, mostly for the simplicity (thus less susceptibility to corruption) and universality of the fs. I'm just left wondering about performance, in particular as a storage for maps. Cheers, Fernando No, I favour ext3, with ext2 the worst of the lot. However, its redundant as vfat wont handle ~84 map tiles either without continuing problems (large scale corruption, partitions going read only part way through data transfers etc). It doesnt appear very good the fact that a journal is needed to avoid corruption as a fact of normal operation. Ive tried ext2/3 on dirvish server(s) and found a similar problems - just poor/inadequate/inappropriate choice for this pattern of data (OSM maps). Solution, reiserfs with data=journal ... The consensus was you are very unlikely to kill a modern SD card. I also did not see anyone who had actually been able to kill an SD card from this reason. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR Unstable
Tomas, can you look at bug #2215 and see if you have the same problem I have - serial comms with the GSM chip? BillK On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 16:31 +, Michael Sheldon wrote: Tomas Riveros Schober wrote: so i had to remove the battery and start the phone again. After that the dialer app has never worked (crashes all the time), and neither does contacts or anything that accesses the SIM Have you checked to make sure that your SIM is seated correctly? Try removing it and putting it back in to make sure, it's possible that when removing the battery you opened the SIM holder's catches slightly and it's no longer making correct contact. Cheers, Mike. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
I'm a bit sad today, yesterday someone stole my phone. I helped a guy in the street calling his girlfriend, (or that what he said) and when I got distracted by a friend of him that asked for a cigarette he just ran away I can only blame my self for being stupid This happend in Montevideo Uruguay. This episode made me think of having some kind of tracking program. This is the idea: When someone inserts a new simcard that is not authorized in someway, it will start to send it's position via sms to a predefined number or a sms-email gateway. This program could easily be disabled by a knowledgeable user but when random people just take your phone, you can asume that they don't know how to flash the phone. This is a very rough description of the idea, but I've just been thinking about it today... It's really sad to not have a Neo anymore when I finnaly started to love my phone and I don't have money to buy a new one... gah -fredrik-normann- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
On Sunday 25 January 2009 23:47:07 fredrik normann wrote: This episode made me think of having some kind of tracking program. Don't worry, just wait until he turns up here asking for help with the phone he just stole... solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 9:53 PM, George Brooke solar.geo...@googlemail.comwrote: On Sunday 25 January 2009 23:47:07 fredrik normann wrote: This episode made me think of having some kind of tracking program. Don't worry, just wait until he turns up here asking for help with the phone he just stole... lol The phone has very low value for someone that don't understands it... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
This sounds like a modified version of sms-entry: http://www.opkg.org/package_92.html Sorry to here you've lost yours. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Finger Friendly on screen keyboard
A while back I made a finger friendly keyboard for the Freerunner, I tried to make it as finger friendly as possible and use as much screen space for buttons. but since I was using xte to send the keys to applications it didn't work under the Openmoko OS (I was using Debian and Hackable1) But, I found a python script called pykey that uses python-xlib to send keys. to install it first intsall python-xlib: opkg install http://filmsbykris.com/freerunner-debian/ko-user/python-xlib_0.14-ml0_armv4t.ipk then download and un-tar this to your root directory http://filmsbykris.com/freerunner-debian/ko-user/ko-keypad.tar.gz This should put an icon on your desktop, which is not the best way to run it, There is a script in the tar file call ko-aux if you run ko-aux it will start the keyboard up when you press the AUX button on your phone. It's hard to describe my keyboard but I'll give it a try The keyboard is a 12 button keypad. Each character takes 2 keypresses. instead of the normal keypad like on your cellphone where you have to press each key 3 or 4 time to type one letter and then you end up passing the letter you want and have to hit the key 3 or 4 more times and you have to wait if 2 letter you want are on the same button. This keypad will change all 12 keys to the characters on the button you choose. there is a Space button on each key and if you hit the wrong key there is a blank button next to the space key to back out. keys are sent to a temp line before you add them to the final line (but any thing in the temp line when sending keys will be add) ---todo list--- 1) backspace button 2) create list for drop combo box of last 25 or 50 things typed 3) make the sending of keys a little more efficient I would really love some feed back It's still a little ruff around the edges ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
python upgrade in fso-testing broken ssl TCP connections....
Hi, I use the http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/ and so recently python got upgraded from 2.5 to 2.6. This broke pygtk as that is still expecting python-2.5 to be present. but it isn't. I fixed that with a few symlinks, but problems continued. In particular, 'ssl.py' doesn't exist, so when urllib tries to import ssl, it fails, so I cannot make https: requests. Can this (And the pygtk version) be fixed? Anything I can do to help? Thanks, NeilBrown ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
2009/1/26 fredrik normann fredrik.normann.j...@gmail.com: I'm a bit sad today, yesterday someone stole my phone. I helped a guy in the street calling his girlfriend, (or that what he said) and when I got distracted by a friend of him that asked for a cigarette he just ran away I can only blame my self for being stupid This happend in Montevideo Uruguay. if your telco is half-way decent, and you tell them it's been stolen, they should help. i know vodafone in nz will help track stolen phones. so long as the number was registered to you, they are in a position to assist. even if the sim has been changed, the imei will remain the same, and that will tie up to any activity with your number. give them a call, you never know. at least they will be able to prevent it connecting to their network, so no-one can use it. there may even be a nationwide scheme for preventing stolen phones being used on *any* network ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: which file system for sd card - for Wiki
Hello, Am Sonntag, 25. Januar 2009 schrieb Fernando Martins: I got a new SD card. Which file system is the best? In general, vfat or ext2 are the most recommended. Vfat might already be the fs in your card when you got a new one. It has the advantage of being recognised in many other systems. The data ...if this is needed. (the FR uSD card slot is quite difficult to access and if USB 1.1/WLAN/Bluetooth is not too slow many people might prefer to leave the uSD card there most time...) [...] ext is Linux centric but one of the most tested and tuned. It is also a faster file system than vfat (citation?) and most importantly, if you need, it supports permissions, which vfat doesn't. What about the support for owners/groups, (symbolic/hard) links and device files? And the Linux vfat seems to have problems with filenames containing colons, see http://lists.kde.org/?l=kdepim-usersm=123210608518115w=2 where someone did a Backup copy of his maildir files to vfat and didn't notice that the destination directories where emty... For me vfat was therefore always a makeshift/stopgap/... for a data exchange with the Windows etc world, but not a competitive Linux alternative and not most recommended. Good night Martin Bernreuther -- _ Martin Bernreuther martinb...@web.de ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Over-quoting (was: Re: tangoGPS 0.9.5 is out)
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.comwrote: 2009/1/25 Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com: Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com writes: The right client could handle that for you; as Google Mail (for example) does. Are you serious? Quotes are needed to remember context but you suggest to quote the whole mail with no apparent reason and to hide them later? WTF? I think using software to solve a trivial problem is better than getting cross about it, yes. Furthermore, people may someday want to follow these discussions on an OpenMoko phone, where limited bandwidth and screen real estate really necessitate better quoting and trimming of each email. I used to use gmail's mobile web site to follow this list and it was a serious PITA to load several pages of quotes before reading one's response. Whether helping someone out or asking a question, think of properly trimming your email part of your contribution to the project. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR Unstable
Hurray! the latest SHR unstable version is great! Some minor problems: Contacts and Messages not working when there is no SIM card. The Suspend button not work. On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 7:43 AM, William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.auwrote: Tomas, can you look at bug #2215 and see if you have the same problem I have - serial comms with the GSM chip? BillK On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 16:31 +, Michael Sheldon wrote: Tomas Riveros Schober wrote: so i had to remove the battery and start the phone again. After that the dialer app has never worked (crashes all the time), and neither does contacts or anything that accesses the SIM Have you checked to make sure that your SIM is seated correctly? Try removing it and putting it back in to make sure, it's possible that when removing the battery you opened the SIM holder's catches slightly and it's no longer making correct contact. Cheers, Mike. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Best Regards HouYu Li, Karajan karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com karadog (at) gmail.com lihouyu (at) phpex.net PHP Programmer Red Hat Certified Engineer 15th Feb, 2008 Shanghai, China ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
This is an excellent idea. I've been wondering about this. If I had GPRS, I would SSH in (possible? Getting the IP would be tricky) and pull GPS coordinates. But I don't have GPRS. I think it would be good to implement some kind of SIM-based security, along with a way to send some kind of panic SMS. Both would activate some kind of daemon that pulls coords from GPS whenever possible and sends them back to you. Maybe have it call you at home and a TTS engine gives them to you if you can't get SMS without your phone. Just some ideas. Would be AWESOME to have a phone that works to return to its owner though. Lord of the Rings like. :P As you maybe can tell, I've considered this a little just in case someone steals my $400 baby. -- Thanks, The Digital Pioneer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Finger Friendly on screen keyboard
Does Illume recognize it? Judging by the way to start it, I would guess not... :\ -- Thanks, The Digital Pioneer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
Problem with gps is that its slow to get a fix, sometimes very slow, and the phone may (probably?) be indoors or a car much of the time - so waiting for a fix is going to be a problem. Trigger with an unknown SIM card. Send a first panic, I've been stolen! sms message with as much detail as possible pulled from the SIM card, network settings (iwlist eth0 scan - and at your end try and locate on the wifi location database) - say forward their SIM phonebook to yourself (maybe one sms per contact to burn up their credit :) Then background and wait for a gps fix ... Meanwhile, start ringing their phone contacts ... starting with their mother :) BillK On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 19:51 -0600, The Digital Pioneer wrote: This is an excellent idea. I've been wondering about this. If I had GPRS, I would SSH in (possible? Getting the IP would be tricky) and pull GPS coordinates. But I don't have GPRS. I think it would be good to implement some kind of SIM-based security, along with a way to send some kind of panic SMS. Both would activate some kind of daemon that pulls coords from GPS whenever possible and sends them back to you. Maybe have it call you at home and a TTS engine gives them to you if you can't get SMS without your phone. Just some ideas. Would be AWESOME to have a phone that works to return to its owner though. Lord of the Rings like. :P As you maybe can tell, I've considered this a little just in case someone steals my $400 baby. -- Thanks, The Digital Pioneer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
Indeed, GPS fixes are tough to get, but they can be done. Just out of curiosity, can the telco really do all that passive triangulation (or more importantly, can I) they talk about in the movies? :P -- Thanks, The Digital Pioneer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
Apparently yes: here in Oz you can go to your telco and get the phone disabled if its been stolen - (tahts the phone itself, not the SIM is prevented from connecting - via IMIE I think). The cops can get location info, thoughs it is apparently more like somewhere about there in accuracy. Thats why I suggested wifi location like Skyhook - I think gps is a really flakey solution (going by experience with the FR) - the likely hood of a flat battery before you get a fix in most scenarios is very high, and what if the user notices it - unless you start working like a rootkit and hiding the app, which is starting to get very sophisticated! So I think gps, while be good, but shouldnt be relied on. BillK On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 20:10 -0600, The Digital Pioneer wrote: Indeed, GPS fixes are tough to get, but they can be done. Just out of curiosity, can the telco really do all that passive triangulation (or more importantly, can I) they talk about in the movies? :P -- Thanks, The Digital Pioneer -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Qt Extended update ?
Hi all, Does anyone know if there's any updates for Qt Extended in the pipeline ? Lorn wrote back in early December that he was hoping to get a snapshot release out by the 21st December, but there's been nothing since.. :-( I know that Nokia decided to GPL Qt so I wonder if that has delayed things ? It would also be very nice if there was a public git repository for the GPL version of Qt Extended.. ;-) cheers! Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
The Digital Pioneer пишет: This is an excellent idea. I've been wondering about this. If I had GPRS, I would SSH in (possible? Getting the IP would be tricky) and pull GPS coordinates. But I don't have GPRS. I think it would be good to implement some kind of SIM-based security, along with a way to send some kind of panic SMS. Both would activate some kind of daemon that pulls coords from GPS whenever possible and sends them back to you. Maybe have it call you at home and a TTS engine gives them to you if you can't get SMS without your phone. Just some ideas. Would be AWESOME to have a phone that works to return to its owner though. Lord of the Rings like. :P As you maybe can tell, I've considered this a little just in case someone steals my $400 baby. I've already thought about something like that when I bought the device, primarily because street robberies are still very common in Russia, especially in Russia itself, i.e. outside Moscow. However, there is one serious problem with this: the device can be easily reflashed. And robbers usually do not use stolen phones themselves, but sell them to second-hand phone resellers, who usually have staff with educated engineers. And even if we had some protection for flashing, like password in u-boot, there is not much we can do about people who have access to JTAG and other sophisticated debugging hardware, and used to cracking (reflashing, unlocking, messing with IMEI, ...) proprietary phones with no documentation at all, like open wiki with step-by-step instructions. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR Unstable
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:47:05 +0800, HouYu Li kara...@gmail.com wrote: Hurray! the latest SHR unstable version is great! Some minor problems: Contacts and Messages not working when there is no SIM card. The Suspend button not work. The current Contacts and Messages both depend on the SIM - it holds the contacts and the messages. I too noticed that suspend via E17 power popup (when you press power button or click 'X' on Illume) had trouble suspending, though timeout-based suspend works. Manual suspend is working as I write this however, with latest andy-tracking 2.6.28 kernel in play, plus regular 'opkg upgrade' action. j -- Joel Newkirk http://jthinks.com (blog) http://newkirk.us/om (FR stuff) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:10:54 -0600, The Digital Pioneer digitalpion...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed, GPS fixes are tough to get, but they can be done. Just out of curiosity, can the telco really do all that passive triangulation (or more importantly, can I) they talk about in the movies? :P -- Thanks, The Digital Pioneer http://n2.nabble.com/Future-of-location-services-on-OM-td2136697ef1958.html Some of the points mentioned within are that with the available databases of cell-tower locations and the information provided by the towers (including range within 500m IIRC) the triangulation accuracy can be pretty good, provided multiple towers are 'visible' and that urban canyons aren't causing too much multipath madness. It's also potentially helpful just to know location within 5 km, to speed up the 'assisted' part of AGPS. j -- Joel Newkirk http://jthinks.com (blog) http://newkirk.us/om (FR stuff) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new terminal in opkg.org - vala-terminal
Hello, from SHR I tried installing the vala-terminal from opkg but I get an error from a missing dependency: r...@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install http://www.opkg.org/packages/vala-terminal_1.1.1-r0.1_armv4t.opk Downloading http://www.opkg.org/packages/vala-terminal_1.1.1-r0.1_armv4t.opk Multiple packages (vala-terminal and vala-terminal) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Multiple packages (vala-terminal and vala-terminal) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Multiple packages (vala-terminal and vala-terminal) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Upgrading vala-terminal on root from 1.0.0.0+gitr502d62d7eb100f86380b0e78474cc360ad7944b5-r1 to 1.1.1-r0.1... Collected errors: * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for vala-terminal: * gtk+-fastscaling (= 2.10.14) * Where can I find this? --Alex ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: SHR Unstable
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm wrote: Come on, this thing is slow! Scrolling has a 2 sec latency! Totally unusable for me. This is a bug with recent e17 and andy-tracking we noticed last week. We can't upgrade e17 right now because there is a slight change on elementary which triggers a segfault on Messages: not sure whose fault it is. About the dictionnary problem, this is due to the fix to handle UTF8. I'm told someone on the e17 side is working on correcting this bug. -- Julien Cassignol http://www.ainulindale.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new terminal in opkg.org - vala-terminal
SHR use plain gtk+, not gtk+-fastscaling, just use --force-depends in the opkg 2009/1/26 Alex Tsui alextsu...@gmail.com: Hello, from SHR I tried installing the vala-terminal from opkg but I get an error from a missing dependency: r...@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install http://www.opkg.org/packages/vala-terminal_1.1.1-r0.1_armv4t.opk Downloading http://www.opkg.org/packages/vala-terminal_1.1.1-r0.1_armv4t.opk Multiple packages (vala-terminal and vala-terminal) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Multiple packages (vala-terminal and vala-terminal) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Multiple packages (vala-terminal and vala-terminal) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Upgrading vala-terminal on root from 1.0.0.0+gitr502d62d7eb100f86380b0e78474cc360ad7944b5-r1 to 1.1.1-r0.1... Collected errors: * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for vala-terminal: * gtk+-fastscaling (= 2.10.14) * Where can I find this? --Alex ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400 Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sephora not working any longer?
yes the framework has some important change... Michele Renda said some time ago he would have released some updated version, but right now no news :-( sephora is very useful, i really hope for an update from michele ;-) d On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 3:01 PM, vale va...@gmx.de wrote: Hi i am using Debian and i updated to new fso frameworkd but not the very helpfull tool sephora doesnt work any longer :( I always get an error: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method GetPower with signature on interface org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerControl doesn't exist I think it has to do with new framework ... is there a fix around? Thanks for hard work and great tool sephora! greetings vale -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Sephora-not-working-any-longer--tp2208881p2208881.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
