Re: [Conference] FOSDEM 09 - who is going?
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 12:27:58AM +, Tim Dobson wrote: Biggest F/LOSS conference in Europe is happening in a few weeks time... Who is going? It'd be great to put names to mailing list faces, meet people doing cool things with their devices and help people who are feeling a bit stuck get started. I'm going; this will be my first FOSDEM. Great, I'm going too! :) Rui -- This statement is false. Today is Setting Orange, the 30th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3175 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Conference] FOSDEM 09 - who is going?
I might go. For those who are too lazy too look, it is in Brussels, Belgium. So all you Dutch and Belgium OpenMoko lovers, let it ponder for a while and simply go. ;) Tim Dobson wrote: Biggest F/LOSS conference in Europe is happening in a few weeks time... Who is going? It'd be great to put names to mailing list faces, meet people doing cool things with their devices and help people who are feeling a bit stuck get started. I'm going; this will be my first FOSDEM. Cheers Tim P.S. I know some OM community members have strong opinions about FOSDEM (which I somewhat sympathise with) and if you want to chat about the political bits, please fork the thread. :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Miscellanious minor issues
Johny Tenfinger wrote: 3) Today (29 Jan 2009) I did an opkg update and opkg upgrade and Mofi Wifi hangs when I run it, even before the menu comes up. Is this known? What could be a fix? Will wicd be ported to SHR? With new frameworkd you firstly have to set WiFi to on in shr-settings. Would it be more 'natural' to have it switched on when needed, and switched of when it is not needed any more? This would be similar to the implementation GPS already is powered on and off. 4) Sometimes the scroll bar on the left is gold (see contacts) and sometimes it is black (see settings). Scrollbar from contacts is from etk theme; scrollbar from shr-settings is from elementary theme. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Pub meet: Cambridge, UK, 30.1.2009 - reminder
a gentle reminder of this evening's pub meet in cambridge. all are welcome! -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:14:05 + (GMT) From: Tom Yates madhat...@teaparty.net To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Pub meet: Cambridge, UK, 30.1.2009 There will be a Cambridge OpenMoko pub meet at the Granta, which apparently is on Newnham Terrace., next door to Darwin College, at 7.30pm on friday 30.1.2009. All are welcome; if you have an OpenMoko, you are encouraged to bring it. For those navigating by silicon, the postcode is apparently CB3 9EX. To be directly informed about future meets in Cambridge, and/or to have a hand in planning them, please join the mailing list at http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/om-cambridge . ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR] No route to host with latest upgrade of unstable!
Dear list, I just did an upgrade on the latest SHR unstable image and now isn't possible to connect via ssh to the FR any more. I get the 'No route to host' error. Were some changes? I thing the usb0 interface gets a inet6 address only? Any advice? Thanks Tony ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All] To build a better music player
On Friday 30 January 2009, Joel Newkirk wrote: Any idea where I can find python-pyalsaaudio? not found on SHR, can't find a package anywhere. (except armv7a at angstrom) http://openmoko.truebox.co.uk/repos/mazikeen/fso-testing/ipk/armv4t/python- pyalsaaudio_0.3-ml0_armv4t.ipk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Spam
Stroller wrote: On 28 Jan 2009, at 09:56, Jan Henkins wrote: ... There is another situation that I find to be a worry: In order to send mail to this list you have to have a registered address. ... but it could have been anybody else who have sent an email to the list. Looking in the list archives I can see that not enough is being done to obscure sender addresses. Currently the only thing that is being done is to replace the @ with a spaceatspace. So dor...@grey.com would become dorian at grey.com. Sweet! Armed with wget to leech all the archives, a few text tools (grep, Perl, Python, etc) and I can build up a list of addresses (almost 100% confirmed working addresses) that could be used for various spamming activities. A list of active addresses is worth money too! ;-) So what I suggest is that the list administrators obfuscate list members' addresses even more. MailMan's Pipermail archiver can do this if properly set up. Surely the traditional mailing list problem remains - subscribers to the list will still receive messages with the full from address intact. Or do you intend to obfuscate that, too? Surely a spammer can just subscribe to the list to obtain all our addresses? Obfuscating email addresses on the web archive is, IMO, no substitute for sensible policies (greylisting, RBL, SFF?) at your incoming mail server. Stroller. I think all are good ideas so far, with the problem at hand, SPF deals specifically with the relaying and reception of forged emails. Although the most relevant solution, there's still a lot of people not using it so success varies and it also forces some requirements on the users of the domain. Being 'open' pioneers, it's be nice to have. From experience, greylisting, helo and RBL rejections are equal to, if not at some points greater than, the amount of flagged spam I recieve. They're also the kind of techniques that subtly force other admins to fix their servers. Any issues I've had have been outweighed by the benefit. I see the web side of things more about being considerate, not so much an obligation. If it was a forum I'd care but I completely agree with Stroller. Short of removing the addresses from the emails, I can't imagine much else you could do (and I'm not suggesting that btw ;). Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [android] inital thoughts
I tried the beta2 release... I found it better than the previous one, but needs still a lot of work to do. Lots of crashes of the apps... and the same problems you mentioned: - low call volume - unreliable wifiscan (but i managed to do it 3 times succesfully, the real bug is that you can't type with the keyboard because the popup menu is placed a layer over ;-) ) - crashes ..but... very nice! Hoping to have some improvements soon ;-) d On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Joel Newkirk freerun...@newkirk.uswrote: On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 00:21:26 -0500, Charles Pax charles@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Russell Hay russe...@ysmail.net wrote: Just installed the latest android image, and it's looking nice, responsiveness is where 2008.8 used to be, and my main gripes from a 1hr play are; - very low call volume, despite setting it to full - to accept calls, you have to use use the key sequence as follows: power button- choose keyboard-hit the phone icon Just an inital impression - and I appreciate it's a port so these are workarounds for a lack of a keyboard! If the rumors [1] of the G2 are true, we won't have to worry about ugly workarounds; a touch screen only interface will be in the upstream -Charles Pax [1] http://i.gizmodo.com/5135926/android-g2-photos-thinner-and-no-keyboard However, the G2 does have the five hardware buttons (plus a trackpoint, looks like) that 'cupcake' is said to require... j -- Joel Newkirk http://jthinks.com (blog) http://newkirk.us/om (FR stuff) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Reminder of meet (Was: Meetup of people interested in the OpenMoko, and other open hardware)
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:01:56 +0530 Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: Hi, A reminder to people in Delhi, and NCR. We are meeting tomorrow (Sat., 31/1) as per the following details. A Wiki page for the meeting, where one can sign up to offer/get rides is at http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/twiki/Main/OpenMokoMeet Event:OpenMoko enthusiasts meeting Date: Sat., Jan 31st Time: 6.30pm onwards Agenda: Get-together of people interested in the OpenMoko, and other open-source hardware Participants: All on this list Venue:Howzzat: The micro-brewry pub in Gurgaon. Galaxy Mall, behind the 32nd Milestone place. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.4629lon=77.0489zoom=16layers=B000FTF Contact: Me (9868527992) Regards, Gora ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Miscellanious minor issues
Al Johnson wrote: I asked about the same thing a while back. Raster's reply was: it's that way because slowly i'm expecting toolkits to be able to auto-popup or apps - it's still there, but i moved it away to make more room on the top bar for other things. it's laid out by theme so it can be changed - but the default is aimed more at the state of things how they should be right now Sure, the current qwerty text takes up a lot of space. How about a square little icon instead? A miniature drawing of a keyboard? Or the same qwerty-icon that we see in the upper right-hand corner of the keyboard? just an idea. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] could SHR play streaming mp3?
On Friday 30 January 2009, Giorgio Marciano wrote: Hi to all, is SHR capable of playing streaming mp3? my idea is to create a client for the seeqpod.com service! The problem is that SHR doesn't include mp3 support...am i right? It doesn't out of the box, but you can always build the packages yourself, or find someone in a friendly jurisdiction to do it for you. If you look at the recent messages about pythm with a gstreamer backend you might find some good example code too. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] could SHR play streaming mp3?
Giorgio Marciano wrote: Hi to all, is SHR capable of playing streaming mp3? my idea is to create a client for the seeqpod.com service! The problem is that SHR doesn't include mp3 support...am i right? No. SHR includes mplayer, which plays mp3 just fine. At least my mp3 files. Not that playing mp3 needs any kind of support from the distribution. If something is lacking, just put it in your client app. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] No route to host with latest upgrade of unstable!
Reflashing was helpful for me with this issue. Hopes it will help you too. On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Tony Berth tonybe...@googlemail.com wrote: Dear list, I just did an upgrade on the latest SHR unstable image and now isn't possible to connect via ssh to the FR any more. I get the 'No route to host' error. Were some changes? I thing the usb0 interface gets a inet6 address only? Any advice? Thanks Tony ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] fennec
It would be very interesting a test in debian... what do you think? d On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) m...@3v1n0.netwrote: Davide Scaini wrote: Is there any fool who tried to build fennec for arm? ;-) it would be interesting... Yes, I did twice... There are some links in the archives, but it's really slow. :( Do you have any idea why? Never tried in debian, BTW. -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FOSDEM meeting 7/8 Feb Brussels
hey, for those in the area and attending FOSDEM, 7 8 Feb in Brussels, a very cool free software developer event held at the ULB each year: http://fosdem.org/2009/ Pierre Pronchery is giving a talk about Hackable:1 in the embedded track http://fosdem.org/2009/schedule/events/emb_hackable_1 and there is also a lightning talk (check the schedule for up to date info) For those who just want to have a chat and see Hackable:1, come to the Openmoko booth in the hallway, situated at the OpenBSD booth We'll have demo setups and new stuff (like a dasboard holder for using your Freerunner in a car) Wim. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All] To build a better music player
Hi Dylan, First of all, thanks a lot for sharing your work. Do you mind to add you new version to www.opkg.org, so that the links (and updates) are not lost in the mailing list ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian ] Bluetooth
@Niel I installed bluez-utils, my /etc/modules has correctly the needed bluetooth modules, but trying to switching it up i get no answers searching for devices... Do you have any idea why? @NANoo 'yes, i only had to enable bluetooth in the settings-menu and run manually hcid' could you please be more specific? thanks d On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 5:23 PM, dsca...@gmail.com wrote: OK, thanks for your tips i'll give a try and then feedback. the wiki is lacky... d On 1/21/09, Niel Drummond niel.drumm...@grumpytoad.org wrote: dsca...@gmail.com wrote: i followed the wiki but with no result... do you have any tip or favourite application to let it work? I think I picked the pieces together from various google searches - you probably need to install bluez and family of programs: apt-cache search bluez I then used 'hcitool' to connect. I found this in my rc.local, so I guess it was also necessary: echo 1 /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on echo 0 /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/reset hidd --search there is probably a lot more I could do to make it secure... you will probably also want to look into a custom keymap - 'loadkeys', 'showkey', 'xev' and 'xmodmap' helped there. my only niggle at the moment is the X mappings seem a little jittery, not sure if that comes from updates or just me tweaking the wrong switch :-| - Niel thanks d On 1/21/09, Niel Drummond niel.drumm...@grumpytoad.org wrote: Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com writes: is there someone with a working bluetooth!?? Yes, worked for me with the packaged kernel. yes, I am running debian with the dinovo mini logitech keyboard. it works flawlessly, thinking about strapping the phone to the back cover of the keyboard. - Niel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All] To build a better music player
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:31:21 +, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: On Friday 30 January 2009, Joel Newkirk wrote: Any idea where I can find python-pyalsaaudio? not found on SHR, can't find a package anywhere. (except armv7a at angstrom) http://openmoko.truebox.co.uk/repos/mazikeen/fso-testing/ipk/armv4t/python- pyalsaaudio_0.3-ml0_armv4t.ipk Thanks. Unfortunately it's still unhappy, due to the change to python2.6. :( j -- Joel Newkirk http://jthinks.com (blog) http://newkirk.us/om (FR stuff) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Miscellanious minor issues
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:14, Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Johny Tenfinger wrote: 3) Today (29 Jan 2009) I did an opkg update and opkg upgrade and Mofi Wifi hangs when I run it, even before the menu comes up. Is this known? What could be a fix? Will wicd be ported to SHR? With new frameworkd you firstly have to set WiFi to on in shr-settings. Would it be more 'natural' to have it switched on when needed, and switched of when it is not needed any more? This would be similar to the implementation GPS already is powered on and off. I think it would be hard to do. But if not, it's not SHR, but FSO guys work ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:32:48 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no said: I hope things like this will be possible, if a new dictionary format is realized. It is ok if typing for suggests fôr as an alternative, but før should not come up unless the user types f ø r. In which case o must not be suggested... ok - how do you romanise norwegian then? example. in german ö - oe, ü - ue, ß - ss, etc. - there is a set of romanisation rules that can convert any such char to 1 or more roman letters. i was hoping to be even more lenient with ö - o being valid too for the lazy :) japanese has romanisation rules - so does chinese... norwegian must (eg æ - ae for example). Usually, one doesn't romanize Norwegian. There are some rules: æ-ae, ø-oe, å-aa. They are next to useless, because ae and oe occur naturally in many words where æ or ø does not belong, and these double vowels are pronounced differently as well. A Norwegian seeing oe in a word may be able to figure out if this means ø or if it really is supposed to be oe, but this may need a context of several words. And it looks funny/wrong - similar to how it looks silly transcribing x as ks and write ksylophone. You might want to transcribe x that way in an emergency, if your x key breaks, until you get a new keyboard. You probably don't want to throw away the x to save space on a keyboard though. And norwegian transcriptions aren't used for the same reasons. I have only seen two cases of such traqnscription: 1. Names of norwegian athletes in international sports events. Which looks real silly. And completely unnecessary. Sport computer systems these days handle more than a-z, the names are spelled correctly in national events after all. And it is not as if foreigners get big problems with an ø. If they don't know what the slash is for, they can read it as o, and so on. Similiar to how I read french - I have no idea what the difference between à and á is. Both is a to me. 2. Expert computer users sometimes use the transcriptions, because they often use the latest equipment before keyboards gets fixed and before ascii-only limitations are sorted out. Some of them are tired of fighting and give up. And they have actually heard about the concept of transcription! But mainstream users get equipment with proper keyboards, anything less is an unfinished product. You won't find an ascii keyboard in a norwegian shop. if something can be romanised - it can have a romanised match in a dictionary and thus suggest the appropriate matches. of course now the dictionary determines these rules implicitly by content, not by code specifically enforcing such rules. :) but yes - selecting dictionary is needed so selecting a keyboard for that language as well as dictionary is useful. it still adds a few keys - thus squashing the keyboard some more :( i was hoping to avoid that. English can work with 10 keys in a row, norwegian needs 11. :-) The solution then is different keyboards, those who don't need more should not need to suffer the slightly smaller keys. note - the keyboard is by no means limited to ascii at all - it's perfectly able to have accented/other keys added to layouts - so i'm considering this problem solved as its simply a matter of everyone agreeing to make a .kbd for their language - should they need one other than the default qwerty (ascii) one. so from this point of view - that's solved. what isn't done yet is: Excellent! So if I have a wordlist and make a keyboard, then a dictionary can be synthesized so there will be no unnecessary confusion between o and ø, because both letters exists as keys? 1. a kbd being able to hint at wanting a specific dictionary language (or vice-versa). For packaging, put the wordlist and keyboard layout in the same package. And switch both when swithcing keyboards. I guess several languages will have the same layout. This can be solved elegantly with hard links. Or a machanism where keyboards either uses stdandard ascii, or a language specific layout. 2. dictionary itself being able to hint to have a specific kbd layout. 3. applications not being able to hint for a specific language for input (and thus dictionary and/or kbd). I believe we use the same apps, regardless of language? So an app should simply ask for numeric/alphabetic/terminal, and then the system provides the system default alpha kayboard. This could be english, norwegian, german, ... depending on a system setting. Multilingual persons can have one default keyboard and explicitly select another when needed. It'd be nice if one could have the option of setting a terminal keyboard as the default alphabetic keyboard too - some people don't like guesswork because the wordlist is never truly complete - or maybe there is no list for their language yet. Of course they then have to struggle with stylus and
[SHR] latest unstable does really work???
just installed the latest unstable and when booting, networking was fine but after re-start I can't ssh to FR any more. IPv4 is not set any more! Any ideas? Thanks Tony ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
Angus Ainslie wrote: On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Later I was on a car trip, not driving. So I watched tangogps for a while. Then I got the idea to test again, knowing that the gps was working. So I sent the message again - from the phone to itself. And again nothing happened. The keyed message eventually showed up in the sms inbox, with the first letter removed. Tangogps showed movement all the time. I tried twice, but I never got a reply with any coordinates. If the first letter is missing then it won't work as the match has to be complete. This seems to be some kind of network ( or possibly Freerunner specific issue ) as I've had the missing character reported before. I have always tested by sending from a different phone. I'll test again using the freerunner to track itself. I have now tested more. The freerunner running SHR (dec.16) removes the last letter (not the first), but this can be worked around by sending sentry:locationn. It works flawlessly, I do get a location back now. SHR/FSO will probably fix that letter removal problem in a future release. I still dream of sending sentry:map and get a MMS with a map tile back, with the location marked. Don't know if the freerunner can send MMS, mine certainly doesn't receive MMS. (instead, the telco sent an URL for downloading the test image.) Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] latest unstable does really work???
Same here, but a least I don't have more echo on the phone. To set IPv4 from the openmoko terminal: ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.202 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255 I can ssh but can't ping google.com from the OM, any idea? I've tried to set the ip of my gateway machine (192.168.0.200) in /etc/ Resolv.conf, with no success. Alex On 30/01/2009, at 14:51, Tony Berth wrote: just installed the latest unstable and when booting, networking was fine but after re-start I can't ssh to FR any more. IPv4 is not set any more! Any ideas? Thanks Tony ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Dialup On Demand (was: [SHR] Miscellanious minor issues)
Am Friday 30 January 2009 14:10:05 schrieb Johny Tenfinger: On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:14, Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Johny Tenfinger wrote: 3) Today (29 Jan 2009) I did an opkg update and opkg upgrade and Mofi Wifi hangs when I run it, even before the menu comes up. Is this known? What could be a fix? Will wicd be ported to SHR? With new frameworkd you firstly have to set WiFi to on in shr-settings. Would it be more 'natural' to have it switched on when needed, and switched of when it is not needed any more? This would be similar to the implementation GPS already is powered on and off. I think it would be hard to do. But if not, it's not SHR, but FSO guys work ;) Indeed. I think this is a very old feature, I remember the good old days of dial-up networking using pppoe. There we had something like a connection dialog that popped up on demand, which is what we want as well on mobile devices. Does anyone remember which kernel infastructure this on-demand dialling used? -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All] To build a better music player
To answer a few questions: 1) The new gstreamer back-end uses mutagen to read tag data from mp3 and ogg and not ID3. You will want to use the package I made for mutagen since no other exists. I did not bother updating the mplayer back-end as consider that deprecated at this point. That one still uses the ID3.py library which I did not include. 2) I would have liked to use mpd, but I have never been able to find a package for it for arm. It is not feasible to stream from a server, since I listen to music in my car. 3) I will publish the packages to opkg.org later today if I remember. Finally, if anyone has any suggestions on how to make gstreamer suspend I will take them. I remember the suggestion of calling snd_pcm_resume(). Unfortunately, pyalsaaudio has no such method ATM, and I have no way of compiling it for arm after making my own changes. On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Yaroslav Halchenko site-openmoko@onerussian.com wrote: wonderful - thank you Dylan, pythm feels really nice now with gstreamer. I wonder if are going to add seeking support to change position within the song with gstreamer? it would be really great! btw -- what version of ID3 python's library do you use? om's repository seems to lack any package for it, so I've just installed the copy from my debian box which is 1.2-6.2, but that one also pukes with error executing:'TITLE' on my mp3s (like someone else reported before I believe) On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Dylan Reilly wrote: I am still in the process of making changes, but I have some packages if anyone wants to try it. This version has the option of using a gstreamer back-end (the default with the packaged config file) instead -- .-. =-- /v\ = Keep in touch// \\ (yoh@|www.)onerussian.com Yaroslav Halchenko /( )\ ICQ#: 60653192 Linux User^^-^^[17] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Dylan Maxwell Reilly ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] latest unstable does really work???
You can try this : echo nameserver 208.67.222.222 /etc/resolv.conf And then a ping www.google.com should work (it does for me) 2009/1/30 Alexandre Girard alx.gir...@gmail.com Same here, but a least I don't have more echo on the phone. To set IPv4 from the openmoko terminal: ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.202 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255 I can ssh but can't ping google.com from the OM, any idea? I've tried to set the ip of my gateway machine (192.168.0.200) in /etc/ Resolv.conf, with no success. Alex On 30/01/2009, at 14:51, Tony Berth wrote: just installed the latest unstable and when booting, networking was fine but after re-start I can't ssh to FR any more. IPv4 is not set any more! Any ideas? Thanks Tony ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] latest unstable does really work???
some more feedback: I did install the image twice (just in case I did something wrong with the firts try!) and the firts boot worked fine. I did also run an upgrade but when re-booting, IPv4 got lost and GSM doesnt seem to be working! I get no signal any more although, in the first boot, this wasn't the case! Thanks Tony On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Alexandre Girard alx.gir...@gmail.comwrote: Same here, but a least I don't have more echo on the phone. To set IPv4 from the openmoko terminal: ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.202 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255 I can ssh but can't ping google.com from the OM, any idea? I've tried to set the ip of my gateway machine (192.168.0.200) in /etc/ Resolv.conf, with no success. Alex On 30/01/2009, at 14:51, Tony Berth wrote: just installed the latest unstable and when booting, networking was fine but after re-start I can't ssh to FR any more. IPv4 is not set any more! Any ideas? Thanks Tony ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
-Message d'origine- I still dream of sending sentry:map and get a MMS with a map tile back, with the location marked. Don't know if the freerunner can send MMS, mine certainly doesn't receive MMS. (instead, the telco sent an URL for downloading the test image.) I'm definitely not an expert, but receiving mms is basically receiving a sms with an url (e.g. the one from your telco), and browsing that url using wap, without user interaction.. Same thing for posting. So, it's only a software issue... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dialup On Demand (was: [SHR] Miscellanious minor issues)
2009/1/30 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@openmoko.org: Indeed. I think this is a very old feature, I remember the good old days of dial-up networking using pppoe. There we had something like a connection dialog that popped up on demand, which is what we want as well on mobile devices. Does anyone remember which kernel infastructure this on-demand dialling used? IIRC pppoe (and dialup in general) used the ppp on demand stucture. That is, put something like: demand idle 300 into your /etc/ppp/options file and the dialup will start as soon as someone accesses the ppp0 device. After 300s of inactivity, the connection is killed. Sven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] latest unstable does really work???
more feedback: even if I set the IPv4 address directly via the terminal in the FR, I can connect via ssh from my server but FR doesn't get connection to the Internet any more! Please not that resolv.conf is holding the correct values. Thanks Tony On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Tony Berth tonybe...@googlemail.comwrote: some more feedback: I did install the image twice (just in case I did something wrong with the firts try!) and the firts boot worked fine. I did also run an upgrade but when re-booting, IPv4 got lost and GSM doesnt seem to be working! I get no signal any more although, in the first boot, this wasn't the case! Thanks Tony On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Alexandre Girard alx.gir...@gmail.comwrote: Same here, but a least I don't have more echo on the phone. To set IPv4 from the openmoko terminal: ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.202 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255 I can ssh but can't ping google.com from the OM, any idea? I've tried to set the ip of my gateway machine (192.168.0.200) in /etc/ Resolv.conf, with no success. Alex On 30/01/2009, at 14:51, Tony Berth wrote: just installed the latest unstable and when booting, networking was fine but after re-start I can't ssh to FR any more. IPv4 is not set any more! Any ideas? Thanks Tony ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All] To build a better music player
Thank you Dylan once again what about ability to seek within a song? is it doable for gstreamer? On Fri, 30 Jan 2009, Dylan Reilly wrote: To answer a few questions: 1) The new gstreamer back-end uses mutagen to read tag data from mp3 and ogg and not ID3. You will want to use the package I made for mutagen since no other exists. I did not bother updating the mplayer back-end as consider that deprecated at this point. That one still uses the ID3.py library which I did not include. -- .-. =-- /v\ = Keep in touch// \\ (yoh@|www.)onerussian.com Yaroslav Halchenko /( )\ ICQ#: 60653192 Linux User^^-^^[17] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
libgobject-2.0.so: file not recognized
Hi Guys, I am trying to build the example application from the Toolchain page. I am running Ubuntu 8.10 on an x86_64 laptop. Everything seems to build fine, but when it goes to link, I get the error: /usr/lib/libXau.so /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/libXdmcp.so /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/libpixman-1.so -lm /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/.libs/libgobject-2.0.so /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/.libs/libgmodule-2.0.so -ldl /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/.libs/libglib-2.0.so /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/.libs/libgobject-2.0.so: file not recognized: File format not recognized collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[2]: *** [openmoko-calculator] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/bdj105/bill/openmoko/src/openmoko/openmoko-calculator2/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/bdj105/bill/openmoko/src/openmoko/openmoko-calculator2' make: *** [all] Error 2 Any ideas? Thanks, Bill ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dialup On Demand (was: [SHR] Miscellanious minor issues)
Am Friday 30 January 2009 15:54:12 schrieb Sven Rebhan: 2009/1/30 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@openmoko.org: Indeed. I think this is a very old feature, I remember the good old days of dial-up networking using pppoe. There we had something like a connection dialog that popped up on demand, which is what we want as well on mobile devices. Does anyone remember which kernel infastructure this on-demand dialling used? IIRC pppoe (and dialup in general) used the ppp on demand stucture. That is, put something like: demand idle 300 into your /etc/ppp/options file and the dialup will start as soon as someone accesses the ppp0 device. After 300s of inactivity, the connection is killed. Ok cool, but how does this work internally? We want the framework to be notified, not the ppp process (which we don't want to run all the time) -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All] To build a better music player
Yes it is. The problem is the UI more than anything. Since the freerunner is kinda slow and has no accelerated graphics, there is input lag - especially when the CPU is pegged from the decoding. There was a seek in the original pythm and I removed it because of that reasons. I will play around with it. I do not know GTK very well, so if anyone has any suggestions (code) on how to draw better (i.e., bigger) sliders that would be helpful. Knowing such things would help me improve the volume control as well. On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Yaroslav Halchenko site-openmoko@onerussian.com wrote: Thank you Dylan once again what about ability to seek within a song? is it doable for gstreamer? On Fri, 30 Jan 2009, Dylan Reilly wrote: To answer a few questions: 1) The new gstreamer back-end uses mutagen to read tag data from mp3 and ogg and not ID3. You will want to use the package I made for mutagen since no other exists. I did not bother updating the mplayer back-end as consider that deprecated at this point. That one still uses the ID3.py library which I did not include. -- .-. =-- /v\ = Keep in touch// \\ (yoh@|www.)onerussian.com Yaroslav Halchenko /( )\ ICQ#: 60653192 Linux User^^-^^[17] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Dylan Maxwell Reilly ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] latest unstable does really work???
I've tried, maybe it comes fron the internet share on my mac side? r...@om-gta02 ~ $ echo nameserver 208.67.222.222 /etc/resolv.conf r...@om-gta02 ~ $ ping google.com ping: bad address 'google.com' On 30/01/2009, at 15:46, kimaidou wrote: You can try this : echo nameserver 208.67.222.222 /etc/resolv.conf And then a ping www.google.com should work (it does for me) 2009/1/30 Alexandre Girard alx.gir...@gmail.com Same here, but a least I don't have more echo on the phone. To set IPv4 from the openmoko terminal: ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.202 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255 I can ssh but can't ping google.com from the OM, any idea? I've tried to set the ip of my gateway machine (192.168.0.200) in /etc/ Resolv.conf, with no success. Alex On 30/01/2009, at 14:51, Tony Berth wrote: just installed the latest unstable and when booting, networking was fine but after re-start I can't ssh to FR any more. IPv4 is not set any more! Any ideas? Thanks Tony ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] latest unstable does really work???
I think you should try to add the 3 w : ping www.google.com 2009/1/30 Alexandre Girard alx.gir...@gmail.com I've tried, maybe it comes fron the internet share on my mac side? r...@om-gta02 ~ $ echo nameserver 208.67.222.222 /etc/resolv.conf r...@om-gta02 ~ $ ping google.com ping: bad address 'google.com' ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] latest unstable does really work???
same result: r...@om-gta02 ~ $ ping www.google.com ping: bad address 'www.google.com' On 30/01/2009, at 17:22, kimaidou wrote: I think you should try to add the 3 w : ping www.google.com 2009/1/30 Alexandre Girard alx.gir...@gmail.com I've tried, maybe it comes fron the internet share on my mac side? r...@om-gta02 ~ $ echo nameserver 208.67.222.222 /etc/resolv.conf r...@om-gta02 ~ $ ping google.com ping: bad address 'google.com' ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] latest unstable does really work???
did you check if sharing internet connection still is enabled? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MacOS_X#Enabling_the_Mac_as_an_Internet_Router any recent changes/installation of a firewall? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner LightSaber
I don't know what to tell you. I'm running om2008.9 and I don't think I did anything special other then install pygame as I posted above. As far as it running under Debian, I'm also running Hackable1 (based on Debian) and I can not get pygame to see the sound card. I'm still trying to figure this out and ill post anything I find. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All] To build a better music player
On Friday 30 January 2009, Joel Newkirk wrote: On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:31:21 +, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: On Friday 30 January 2009, Joel Newkirk wrote: Any idea where I can find python-pyalsaaudio? not found on SHR, can't find a package anywhere. (except armv7a at angstrom) http://openmoko.truebox.co.uk/repos/mazikeen/fso-testing/ipk/armv4t/python- pyalsaaudio_0.3-ml0_armv4t.ipk Thanks. Unfortunately it's still unhappy, due to the change to python2.6. It's not been updated in a while. I'm building FSO milestone 5 at the moment which includes the change to python 2.6, so when that's done I should be able to provide a new binary, probably sometime tomorrow. I guess I should request it be added to the task list for FSO and/or SHR. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] latest unstable does really work???
I have a vague memory of the busybox ping working with addresses but not with names. It might be worth trying with an IP address instead. On Friday 30 January 2009, Alexandre Girard wrote: same result: r...@om-gta02 ~ $ ping www.google.com ping: bad address 'www.google.com' On 30/01/2009, at 17:22, kimaidou wrote: I think you should try to add the 3 w : ping www.google.com 2009/1/30 Alexandre Girard alx.gir...@gmail.com I've tried, maybe it comes fron the internet share on my mac side? r...@om-gta02 ~ $ echo nameserver 208.67.222.222 /etc/resolv.conf r...@om-gta02 ~ $ ping google.com ping: bad address 'google.com' ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Freerunner is running OpenWrt!
Hey folks, I'm glad to announce that OpenWrt now has basic support for the Openmoko GTA02 Freerunner! There's still lot's of work to do but let's see what's already working for now: - kernel (2.6.28) is building and booting (merging the Openmoko and OpenWrt patchsets, whereof one (and that's not ours ;)) consists of either over 620 little non-atomic patches or one 10MB patchblob [kudos to git!], is no picnic (thanks to the work of Michael mb Buesch at this point!) - D-Bus and the freesmartphone.org reference implementation (they import the libc.so.6 via ctypes - I was really puzzled when python told me it can't find my libc, because I was using the uclibc) - Xglamo with acceleration (in the beginning Xglamo just crashed, even JTAG wasn't available anymore; it took us weeks to figure out that a compiler bug was the cause (thanks to Felix Fietkau, Holger Freyther and Lars Clausen) - Lars btw. is currently making good progress to get glamo acceleration working within Xorg) - the EFL (enlightenment foundation libraries) and enlightenment including illume (needs some more love to make it really fit into the OpenWrt-environment - currently edje_cc and eet are required as pre-installed host tools) - paroli phone application suite (in case it's working ;)) A few days ago we established the first OpenWrt-OpenWrt phone call which worked out of the box after flashing our devices - so we thought that might be a good occasion for an announcement :) We're pleased for all of your feedback and any kind of help is highly appreciated! Thanks a lot! mirko (the other one) -- This email address is used for mailinglist purposes only. Non-mailinglist emails will be dropped automatically. If you want to get in contact with me personally, please mail to: mirko.vogt at nanl dot de ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:31:43 +0100 Olof Sjobergh olo...@gmail.com said: On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 4:25 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:30:44 +0100 Olof Sjobergh olo...@gmail.com said: On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:16 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:59:32 +0100 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) m...@3v1n0.net said: Olof Sjobergh wrote: Unless I missed something big (which I hope I didn't, but I wouldn't be surprised if I did), this is not fixable with the current dictionary lookup design. Raster talked about redesigning the dictionary format, so I guess we have to wait until he gets around to it (or someone else does it). I think that too. Maybe using something like a trie [1] to archive the words could help (both for words matching and for compressing the dictionary). Too hard? [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trie the problem here comes with having multiple displays for a single match. let me take japanese as an example (i hope you have the fonts to see this at least - though there is no need to understand beyond knowing that there are a lot of matches that are visibly different): sakana - さかな 茶菓な 肴 魚 サカナ 坂な 差かな 左かな 査かな 鎖かな 鎖 かな unlike simple decimation of é - e and ë - e and è - e etc. you need 1 ascii input string matching one of MANY very different matches. the european case of vogel - Vogel Vögel is a simplified version of the above. the reason i wanted decimation to match a simple roman text (ascii) string is - that this is a pretty universal thing. thats how japanese, chinese and even some korean input methods work. it also works for european languages too. europeans are NOT used to the idea of a dictionary guessing/selecting system when they type - but the asians are. they are always typing and selecting. the smarts come with the dictionary system selecting the right one more often than not by default or the right selection you want being only 1 or 2 keystrokes away. i was hoping to be able to keep a SIMPLE ascii qwerty keyboard for as much as possible - so you can just type and it will work and offer the selections as it's trying to guess anyway - it can present the multiple accented versions too. this limits the need for special keyboards - doesn't obviate it, but allows more functionality out of the box. in the event users explicitly select an accented char - ie a non-ascii character, it should not decimate. it should try match exactly that char. so if you add those keys and use them or flip to another key layout to select them - you get what you expect. but if i am to redo the dict - the api is very generic - just the internals and format need changing to be able to do the above. the cool bit is.. if i manage the above... it has almost solved asian languages too - and input methods... *IF* the vkbd is also able to talk to a complex input method (XIM/SCIM/UIM etc.) as keystroke faking wont let you type chinese characters... :) but in principle the dictionary and lookup scheme will work - its then just mechanics of sending the data to the app in a way it can use it. so back to the trie... the trie would only be useful for the ascii matching - i need something more complex. it just combines the data with the match tree (letters are inline). i need a match tree + lookup table to other matches to display - and possibly several match entries (all the matches to display also need to be in the tree pointing to a smaller match list). -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com I think most problems could be solved by using a dictionary format similar to what you describe above, i.e. something like: match : candidate1 candidate2; frequency for example: vogel : Vogel Vögel; 123 That would mean you can search on the normalised word where simple strcmp works fine and will be fast enough. To not make it too large for example the following syntax could also be accepted: eat; 512 // No candidates, just show the match as is har här hår; 1234// Also show the match itself as a candidate If you think this would be good enough, I could try to implement it. Another problem with languages like Swedish, and also Japanese, is the heavy use of conjugation. For example, in Japanese the verbs 食べる and 考える can both be conjugated in the same way like this: 食べる 食べました 食べた 食べている 食べていた 食べています 食べてい ました考える 考えました 考えた 考えている 考えていた 考えています 考 えていました Another example, the Swedish nouns: bil bilen bilar bilarna bilens bilarnas But including all these forms in a dictionary makes it very large, which is impractical. So some way to indicate possible conjugations would be
Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:43:39 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no said: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:32:48 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no said: I hope things like this will be possible, if a new dictionary format is realized. It is ok if typing for suggests fôr as an alternative, but før should not come up unless the user types f ø r. In which case o must not be suggested... ok - how do you romanise norwegian then? example. in german ö - oe, ü - ue, ß - ss, etc. - there is a set of romanisation rules that can convert any such char to 1 or more roman letters. i was hoping to be even more lenient with ö - o being valid too for the lazy :) japanese has romanisation rules - so does chinese... norwegian must (eg æ - ae for example). Usually, one doesn't romanize Norwegian. There are some rules: æ-ae, ø-oe, å-aa. They are next to useless, because ae and oe occur naturally in many words where æ or ø does not belong, and these double vowels are pronounced differently as well. A Norwegian seeing oe in a word may be able to figure out if this means ø or if it really is supposed to be oe, but this may need a context of several words. And it looks funny/wrong - similar to how it looks silly transcribing x as ks and write ksylophone. oh thats not bad! then it's just like english! (you get used to the vague insanity of it all sooner or later!) :) but seriously - if your name is nønæn, and you move to japan, and have to fill out a form for your bank account name - they will see the ø and æ and go ummm. we can't do that - can you please use normal roman text? because they will either accept roman (a-z) OR japanese (hiragana/katakana/kanji). strange accented european chars aren't going to work. :) so i guess i'm asking because sooner or later when filling out an immigration form or something in another country - you will need to drop such chars into roman text somehow (that ugly nasty lowest common denominator thing - i know), and so i was curious... how you solve that - as that then presents a set of solutions/rules that can be applied. :) again - not saying to get rid of the ø's of this world. already supported.but just wondering, how we can work when they are not there/used. :) You might want to transcribe x that way in an emergency, if your x key breaks, until you get a new keyboard. You probably don't want to throw away the x to save space on a keyboard though. And norwegian transcriptions aren't used for the same reasons. I have only seen two cases of such traqnscription: 1. Names of norwegian athletes in international sports events. Which looks real silly. And completely unnecessary. Sport computer systems these days handle more than a-z, the names are spelled correctly in national events after all. And it is not as if foreigners get big problems with an ø. If they don't know what the slash is for, they can read it as o, and so on. Similiar to how I read french - I have no idea what the difference between à and á is. Both is a to me. just like my example above - but i guess i was being stricter. the stodgey old banking system isn't going to go adapt like modern sports data systenms. its go roman - or go home. :) 2. Expert computer users sometimes use the transcriptions, because they often use the latest equipment before keyboards gets fixed and before ascii-only limitations are sorted out. Some of them are tired of fighting and give up. And they have actually heard about the concept of transcription! But mainstream users get equipment with proper keyboards, anything less is an unfinished product. You won't find an ascii keyboard in a norwegian shop. hmm. how interesting. i have always been baffled why there is a UK qwerty layout vs US - thre UK is the only place that uses it... all other english speaking countries i know use US qwerty (and if UK qwerty was nicely killed off.. it wouldn't need to be US qwerty - just qwerty) :) ok - but there is a way to do this. when stuck on your friends pc when visiting them in california, and they dont have compose-modes enabled... how do you type æ and ø etc. that was basically the q - there must be some accepted mechanism for decimation/conversion. seemingly it's the obvious: æ - ae, ø - o etc. :) if something can be romanised - it can have a romanised match in a dictionary and thus suggest the appropriate matches. of course now the dictionary determines these rules implicitly by content, not by code specifically enforcing such rules. :) but yes - selecting dictionary is needed so selecting a keyboard for that language as well as dictionary is useful. it still adds a few keys - thus squashing the keyboard some more :( i was hoping to avoid that. English can work with 10 keys in a row, norwegian needs 11. :-) The solution then is different keyboards, those who don't need
Hackable:1 Openmoko User Meeting in Paris (HOUM#1)
Dear Openmoko Community, (this is a liberal translation from this article by our Candide, Olivier 'zitune' André: http://linuxfr.org/2009/01/29/24940.html) The Openmoko world is still alive and well. Software distributions spread, for the best and best of the community :) Openmoko ASU, hackable:1, SHR, Gentoo, Debian et so many others compete friendly. With this storm of news, bug reports and enthusiasm, it is always good for the community to gather up. Which is why you are welcome to join us for an evening with Openmokos and beers: on: Thursday February 5th from 18:30 on, at: number 40 Passage des Panoramas, in Paris, France An install party, workshops and presentations are planned, mainly (but not solely) about hackable:1, of whose most core developers will be available and share with you how they work, their little secrets, and of course their latest developments. Finally, we will be glad to offer every guest a 2GB MicroSD card, pre-installed with a fresh, updated copy of hackable:1. You will therefore be able, with a card prepared with 3 by yours truly, to see for yourself and without any pain, the latest improvements delivered by our team. Useful links: the announcement on openmoko-fr (french) http://openmoko-fr.org/wiki/index.php/2009-02-05_:_40_passage_des_panoramas openmoko-fr's blog (french) http://openmoko-fr.org/blog/ Openmoko's community (english) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page hackable:1 (english) http://www.hackable1.org/wiki/Main_Page See you there! -- Pierre Pronchery, Hackable devices RD, Bearstech email: ppronch...@bearstech.com 42 boulevard Sébastopol PGP: AE49 5F7D D56A 4BD6 7B1F 75003 Paris, France 8655 125C 0FE6 5566 EBD8 Web: http://bearstech.com Phone: +49 177 472 7481 Phone: +33 6 71 62 42 74 Fax: +49 304 208 1861 Fax: +33 1 42 72 20 03 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Conference] FOSDEM 09 - who is going?
Hi everyone, On 2009-01-30, Tim Dobson li...@tdobson.net wrote: Biggest F/LOSS conference in Europe is happening in a few weeks time... Who is going? It'd be great to put names to mailing list faces, meet people doing cool things with their devices and help people who are feeling a bit stuck get started. Marcus Bauer and I will be attending FOSDEM. As announced here: http://www.hackable1.org/wiki/News Marcus Bauer will give a Lightning Talk at 17:40 on the 7th, whereas Yours Truly will host a workshop in the Embedded Devroom at 9:00 on the 8th. You may otherwise meet either one of us at the GNOME or OpenBSD booth. See you there :) -- Pierre Pronchery, Hackable devices RD, Bearstech email: ppronch...@bearstech.com 42 boulevard Sebastopol PGP: AE49 5F7D D56A 4BD6 7B1F 75003 Paris, France 8655 125C 0FE6 5566 EBD8 Web: http://bearstech.com Phone: +49 177 472 7481 Phone: +33 6 71 62 42 74 Fax: +49 304 208 1861 Fax: +33 1 42 72 20 03 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] No route to host with latest upgrade of unstable!
Tony Berth wrote: Dear list, I just did an upgrade on the latest SHR unstable image and now isn't possible to connect via ssh to the FR any more. I get the 'No route to host' error. Were some changes? I thing the usb0 interface gets a inet6 address only? Any advice? I'm using unstable from 23.01 and ubuntu 8.10 and the setup which is advised on the wiki page for usb networking is not working well. Firstly, sometimes (if not always) I have to unplug and replug the cable for usb to be recognised in Ubuntu. Then I just run manually: sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 /etc/network/freerunner where freerunner is the script for automatic routing (or is it bridging?) to/from FR. HTH, Fernando ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner is running OpenWrt!
It's very interesting. Will it act as a wireless access point? 2009/1/30, Mirko Vogt li...@nanl.de: Hey folks, I'm glad to announce that OpenWrt now has basic support for the Openmoko GTA02 Freerunner! There's still lot's of work to do but let's see what's already working for now: - kernel (2.6.28) is building and booting (merging the Openmoko and OpenWrt patchsets, whereof one (and that's not ours ;)) consists of either over 620 little non-atomic patches or one 10MB patchblob [kudos to git!], is no picnic (thanks to the work of Michael mb Buesch at this point!) - D-Bus and the freesmartphone.org reference implementation (they import the libc.so.6 via ctypes - I was really puzzled when python told me it can't find my libc, because I was using the uclibc) - Xglamo with acceleration (in the beginning Xglamo just crashed, even JTAG wasn't available anymore; it took us weeks to figure out that a compiler bug was the cause (thanks to Felix Fietkau, Holger Freyther and Lars Clausen) - Lars btw. is currently making good progress to get glamo acceleration working within Xorg) - the EFL (enlightenment foundation libraries) and enlightenment including illume (needs some more love to make it really fit into the OpenWrt-environment - currently edje_cc and eet are required as pre-installed host tools) - paroli phone application suite (in case it's working ;)) A few days ago we established the first OpenWrt-OpenWrt phone call which worked out of the box after flashing our devices - so we thought that might be a good occasion for an announcement :) We're pleased for all of your feedback and any kind of help is highly appreciated! Thanks a lot! mirko (the other one) -- This email address is used for mailinglist purposes only. Non-mailinglist emails will be dropped automatically. If you want to get in contact with me personally, please mail to: mirko.vogt at nanl dot de ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 8:12 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:31:43 +0100 Olof Sjobergh olo...@gmail.com said: But I think a dictionary format in plain utf8 that includes the normalised words as well as any candidates to display would be the best way. Then the dictionary itself could choose which characters to normalise and which to leave as is. So for Swedish, you can leave å, ä and ö as they are but normalise é, à etc. Searching would be as simple as in your original implementation (no need to convert from multibyte format). the problem is - the dict in utf8 means searching is slow as you do it in utf8 space. the dict is mmaped() to save ram - if it wasnt it'd need to be allocated in non-swappable ram (its a phone - it has no swap) and thus a few mb of your ram goes into the kbd dict at all times. by using mmap you leave it to the kernels paging system to figure it out. so as such a dict change will mean a non-ascii format in future for this reason. but there will then need to be a tool to generate such a file. Searching in utf8 doesn't mean it has to be slow. Simple strcmp works fine on multibyte utf8 strings as well, and should be as fast as the dictionary was before adding multibyte to widechars conversions. But if you have some other idea in mind, please don't let me disturb. =) Best regards, Olof Sjöbergh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] latest unstable does really work???
I did also run an upgrade but when re-booting, IPv4 got lost and GSM doesnt seem to be working! I get no signal any more although, in the first boot, this wasn't the case! For non working GSM, run in terminal ophonekitd - after getting signal you can ctrl-c this command. That's how I do, and it works. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Conference] FOSDEM 09 - who is going?
I will be there too :) Best regards, -- Valério Valério http://www.valeriovalerio.org On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Pierre Pronchery ppronch...@bearstech.com wrote: Hi everyone, On 2009-01-30, Tim Dobson li...@tdobson.net wrote: Biggest F/LOSS conference in Europe is happening in a few weeks time... Who is going? It'd be great to put names to mailing list faces, meet people doing cool things with their devices and help people who are feeling a bit stuck get started. Marcus Bauer and I will be attending FOSDEM. As announced here: http://www.hackable1.org/wiki/News Marcus Bauer will give a Lightning Talk at 17:40 on the 7th, whereas Yours Truly will host a workshop in the Embedded Devroom at 9:00 on the 8th. You may otherwise meet either one of us at the GNOME or OpenBSD booth. See you there :) -- Pierre Pronchery, Hackable devices RD, Bearstech email: ppronch...@bearstech.com 42 boulevard Sebastopol PGP: AE49 5F7D D56A 4BD6 7B1F 75003 Paris, France 8655 125C 0FE6 5566 EBD8 Web: http://bearstech.com Phone: +49 177 472 7481 Phone: +33 6 71 62 42 74 Fax: +49 304 208 1861 Fax: +33 1 42 72 20 03 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner is running OpenWrt!
Amazing work, congrats! D-Bus and the freesmartphone.org reference implementation (they import the libc.so.6 via ctypes - I was really puzzled when python told me it can't find my libc, because I was using the uclibc) Ooops, please open a ticket for us, we should try to fix that. Cheers, -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All] To build a better music player
2) I would have liked to use mpd, but I have never been able to find a package for it for arm. It is not feasible to stream from a server, since I listen to music in my car. Hmm I'm under Debian where I just apt-get install mpd. But `mpd' is packaged for OpenWRT and AFAIK there's also one for OpenEmbedded, so it should be easy for someone setup with OpenEmbedded to build the corresponding opkg. Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Setting up MPD (was: [All] To build a better music player)
In my experience, MPD is a pain to set up. Hmm... that's probably something we can improve. I had no trouble with it but then it wasn't the first time I set it up: could you give us some hint what was difficult? Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Setting up MPD (was: [All] To build a better music player)
Ahh, just when I want a media player, the last thing I usually want to do is edit conf files. Now, I'm not afraid of doing so, and I did, but then it still took a while. Then, I had to find a client, and perhaps I got a bad one (I don't remember which I used) but it was pretty tough to pair the two. After that, I had no control of the playlist, it just played my whole collection alphabetically. Of course, using Pythm as a client with a predefined config would probably resolve most of this. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner is running OpenWrt!
Mirko and others that helped here, this is great stuff, congratulations! - kernel (2.6.28) is building and booting (merging the Openmoko and OpenWrt patchsets, whereof one (and that's not ours ;)) consists of either over 620 little non-atomic patches or one 10MB patchblob [kudos to git!], is no picnic (thanks to the work of Michael mb Buesch at this point!) Can you extract the remaining diff between andy-tracking and what you have and send them as patches to the kernel list? How does your kernel build work? You take andy-tracking, apply a patchset, then build? For now, I think you should build andy-tracking, and since it is evolving quickly, it would be important to feed your patches back fast otherwise you might have to uplevel them again and again, or risk falling behind in your kernel version. If you have OpenWrt-specific patches, where are they stored? Best Regards, Wolfgang On Jan 31, 2009, at 2:58 AM, Mirko Vogt wrote: Hey folks, I'm glad to announce that OpenWrt now has basic support for the Openmoko GTA02 Freerunner! There's still lot's of work to do but let's see what's already working for now: - kernel (2.6.28) is building and booting (merging the Openmoko and OpenWrt patchsets, whereof one (and that's not ours ;)) consists of either over 620 little non-atomic patches or one 10MB patchblob [kudos to git!], is no picnic (thanks to the work of Michael mb Buesch at this point!) - D-Bus and the freesmartphone.org reference implementation (they import the libc.so.6 via ctypes - I was really puzzled when python told me it can't find my libc, because I was using the uclibc) - Xglamo with acceleration (in the beginning Xglamo just crashed, even JTAG wasn't available anymore; it took us weeks to figure out that a compiler bug was the cause (thanks to Felix Fietkau, Holger Freyther and Lars Clausen) - Lars btw. is currently making good progress to get glamo acceleration working within Xorg) - the EFL (enlightenment foundation libraries) and enlightenment including illume (needs some more love to make it really fit into the OpenWrt-environment - currently edje_cc and eet are required as pre-installed host tools) - paroli phone application suite (in case it's working ;)) A few days ago we established the first OpenWrt-OpenWrt phone call which worked out of the box after flashing our devices - so we thought that might be a good occasion for an announcement :) We're pleased for all of your feedback and any kind of help is highly appreciated! Thanks a lot! mirko (the other one) -- This email address is used for mailinglist purposes only. Non-mailinglist emails will be dropped automatically. If you want to get in contact with me personally, please mail to: mirko.vogt at nanl dot de ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
I took the plunge
I picked up a Neo Freerunner dev board today from the good folks over @ PariSOMA here in SF today. It was a little disappointing that the dev board came in a recyclable paperboard box instead of the hardsided case. Do they just not ship those anymore ? I got a pre-paid SIM from T-Mobile and it works. I did a couple of test calls and heard maybe a little bit of echo but no buzz. Text messages send and receive okay, at least for the first couple ones that I tried. The one noticeable bug is that the digitizer/UI totally loses it's calibration when the screen gets flipped into landscape mode. I'm downloading the 2008.12 distro as I type this and I'm going to flash it as soon as it's done downloading. So far, for the whole two or three hours I've had it, I'm liking it. I really like the Lao Tze quote on the card inside the box. It's quite appropriate :) Anyway, that's about all for now. Time to go flash some firmware. Yay! Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
