Re: Annuncing new Project - Intone mplayer frontend
Hi, quot;Andraž 'ruskie' Levstikquot; wrote: madplay 60-70% mpg123 30-40% I did see mpg123 and mpc, but I don't know how they will work out on the neo. OTOH, mplayer does support just about everything out there (including video). So that's a plus. Of course, I'm going to try their reference implementations to see how much of a gain I get and whether it's worth the effort that will go into maintaining a full fledged player vs a frontend. Could some kernel guru tell me whether the standard toolchain is at all optimised for the ARM4T? Any ideas on how to make things work faster using the standard toolchain (I suppose size wont be that much of an issue with SDHC). -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Annuncing-new-Project---Intone-mplayer-frontend-tp2357405p2357633.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Annuncing new Project - Intone mplayer frontend
Looks like that build of mplayer doesn't play FLAC. 2009/2/20, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi: On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 8:51 AM, c_c cchan...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Well, intone - the media player in making (and it's **really** basic as of now), uses 0% CPU (according to HTOP (all my tests are with it). mplayer, in a separate thread uses its usual 15% or so. You need mplayer (of course!) to try this, for 2008.12 you can get it here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Video_Player#Using_the_Glamo_XV_acceleration cd /home/root wget http://downloads.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/openmoko/mplayer-glamo.tar.bz2 tar jxf mplayer-glamo.tar.bz2 cp mplayer /usr/bin/mplayer mkdir .mplayer cp input.conf ~/.mplayer/input.conf and off you go.. Thanks CC, it seems to work okay (and I like that it doesnt' require all the dependencies that make installing pythm a pain :), well done!!! Looking forward to see a 'stable' version with more features and an installation package in opkg.org (someone could package mplayer to opkg.org..) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: HTC Dream Developer Edition / T-Mobile G1
On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 13:51 -0500, Daniel Benoy wrote: On Wednesday 18 February 2009 16:42:52 you wrote: 2009/2/18 Daniel Benoy dan...@benoy.name If I were to get this I would gladly act as a beta tester. I could also set it up on my network and give developers shell access, if that's what's needed. However, my primary concern if it's actually open, or if it's filled with super secret patented stuff or otherwise tries to lock me down. I'd need to know that before I even considered it. I'm not an expert, but as others have pointed out, the G1 hardware is not open. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community In the case of the developer version, what specifically is closed? I assume this is a reference to the possibility of binary blobs for drivers or any other non open-source code that is required to make it work. That being said, I would definitely buy the developer's phone over the locked down G1. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[OM] Less power consumption
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Hi all,
I've searched around to get an answer, but nothing...
this is just a little question flogging in my mind since 2008.12 was
released: when will we have a lower power-consumption kernel, getting
the Neo FreeRunner usable for 3 or 4 days (suspending it frequently)?
Actually I use my Neo to call my girlfriend and to track with GPS for
OpenStreetMap, but I move around with my Neo with the terror of an empty
battery after a long call or a tracking session.
The development is getting big steps quickly, I've read Paroli is now
working, the first killer apps are on the road, but I think we need a
decent WiFi support and a less hungry kernel... how near are we?
Are there stable and not draining-down kernels avaiable today?
In all the cases, thanks for the Great work the Community is making, I
feel that 2009 will be the year of the Free ('As in Freedom') Phone!
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[New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)
Hi everyone, the openBmap team is happy to announce the first release of the openBmap [1] logger/uploader for freesmartphone.org. As mentioned on the main page openBmap is a free and open map of wireless communicating objects (e.g. cellular antenna, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth). It provides tools to mutualize data, create and access this map. At this time, only cellular networks are concerned. All the software code is AGPL v3 and data are Creative Commons License (creative commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported), thus the data is free to use (in the same way as OpenStreetMap). Map status (last update 2009-02-06 03:30:31) Cellular: 6 countries, 9 mobile networks, 313 location area codes, 8905 cells This could be used for: * locate you on a map. You don't need to turn GPS on. And as your GSM is always on, and the database is located on your phone, it is instantaneous. This prevent your battery and your privacy (don't need to send your GSM data to anyone on the Web). * provide rough location (the GSM gives less precise result as GPS) to the GPS, in order to speed up first time to fix. * ... The package Freesmartphone.org client [2] provides you with a logger, and an uploader. It has been tested against FSO Milestones 5. If you want to get located through your GSM data, at the moment you can use the Web API [3]. There is a Web interface [4] available to use this API and display zones on a map. We hope many will upload! Privacy note: when you upload, exactly as with OSM, your logs allow to know where and when you were. You have been warned ;-) ! I copy/paste the README of the package at the end of this email. Onen [1] http://realtimeblog.free.fr/ [2] http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=218065 [3] http://realtimeblog.free.fr/api/openbmap_api.php [4] http://realtimeblog.free.fr/cell_map.php README: openBmap logger version 0.1 What you should expect: * generation of logs * upload of logs Manual: Interface is straightforward. * A button to start generating logs. Values will be displayed when valid. Logs are stored under HOME/.openBmap/Logs by default. * A button to stop generating logs. Note that at the moment, the GSM part gets updated only after receiving an asynchronous update from the network. This means at start time, it is normal the GSM part does not display GSM information, even if you are registered to network. * A button to upload. This will block the interface until every log has been uploaded. This means that if you do not have Internet connection up and running, the GUI will be frozen until timeout of the upload part. After succesfull upload, the logs are moved to HOME/.openBmap/Processed_logs by default. Warning: you should create an account on realtimeblog.free.fr website, and fill the login/password in the configuration file before upload works. * A button to exit. Config file and application log are located under HOME/.openBmap directory by default. Known bugs: * when you are generating logs, and you press 'Stop' button. A popup window let you know you should wait for the logger to finish stopping. Under FSO M5, if you press the power button, the phone suspends. You press it again it wakes up. Nevertheless the GUI is frozen. You will have to kill the process. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM] Less power consumption
Francesco de Virgilio fradev...@gmail.com writes: Are there stable and not draining-down kernels avaiable today? Not really, we can stop backlight and extra devices but the main cpu frequency is not lowered down. See the wiki for why it is not easy. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM] Less power consumption
On Friday 20 February 2009 09:43:15 Francesco de Virgilio wrote: this is just a little question flogging in my mind since 2008.12 was released: when will we have a lower power-consumption kernel, getting the Neo FreeRunner usable for 3 or 4 days (suspending it frequently)? You should try FSO 5 or unstable SHR. With latest unstable SHR image, after 40 hours mostly suspended I had about 50% battery. battery life is improving a lot! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: Emacs for Om2008
Sven Bretfeld wrote: Dear Scott In the meantime I shifted to Debian on the Openmoko. In Debian Emacs just works fine. Thanks for your help. Sven SCarlson scottrcarl...@gmail.com writes: I compiled Emacs with my phone because of the issues with cross-compiling. I had to install opkg install coreutils binutils gcc make cpp python-devel python-setuptools cpp-symlinks gcc-symlinks libc6-dev on my phone. It took a long time, and I am sure there may have been the occasion work around. Other than that. You need to install it to the sd drive as i is huge. I am sure i've forgotten a detail or two.. let me know if I can help further. (I remember it being a smooth process, just long compile time). Scott Sven Bretfeld wrote: Hello Does anybody know about a working Emacs package for Om2008.x? It is mentioned several times in the www but I couldn't find a package. Thanks Sven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Vim, from angstroms repository, works well on every distribution ;-) Cheers -- /_\ The ASCII Per comunicare in modo riservato: \_/ Ribbon Campaign gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net \ X Against HTML--recv-keys 20611EAD /_\ Email! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM] Less power consumption
True - but the things that improve is leaking less battery when nothing happens, either by suspending or turning off things like backlight, gps, wifi, etc. What the top poster is asking is when do I get 3 days of GPS tracking - and I guess the answer is never? - Gunnar David Garabana Barro wrote: On Friday 20 February 2009 09:43:15 Francesco de Virgilio wrote: this is just a little question flogging in my mind since 2008.12 was released: when will we have a lower power-consumption kernel, getting the Neo FreeRunner usable for 3 or 4 days (suspending it frequently)? You should try FSO 5 or unstable SHR. With latest unstable SHR image, after 40 hours mostly suspended I had about 50% battery. battery life is improving a lot! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)
Hi, Why setting up your own database, while opencellid has TotalCells:106120 acording to http://www.opencellid.org/cell/stats ? I think using there database will concentrate the data in on place and will give you a better coverage. Kind regards, @ On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 09:54 +0100, Onen wrote: Hi everyone, the openBmap team is happy to announce the first release of the openBmap [1] logger/uploader for freesmartphone.org. As mentioned on the main page openBmap is a free and open map of wireless communicating objects (e.g. cellular antenna, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth). It provides tools to mutualize data, create and access this map. At this time, only cellular networks are concerned. All the software code is AGPL v3 and data are Creative Commons License (creative commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported), thus the data is free to use (in the same way as OpenStreetMap). Map status (last update 2009-02-06 03:30:31) Cellular: 6 countries, 9 mobile networks, 313 location area codes, 8905 cells This could be used for: * locate you on a map. You don't need to turn GPS on. And as your GSM is always on, and the database is located on your phone, it is instantaneous. This prevent your battery and your privacy (don't need to send your GSM data to anyone on the Web). * provide rough location (the GSM gives less precise result as GPS) to the GPS, in order to speed up first time to fix. * ... The package Freesmartphone.org client [2] provides you with a logger, and an uploader. It has been tested against FSO Milestones 5. If you want to get located through your GSM data, at the moment you can use the Web API [3]. There is a Web interface [4] available to use this API and display zones on a map. We hope many will upload! Privacy note: when you upload, exactly as with OSM, your logs allow to know where and when you were. You have been warned ;-) ! I copy/paste the README of the package at the end of this email. Onen [1] http://realtimeblog.free.fr/ [2] http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=218065 [3] http://realtimeblog.free.fr/api/openbmap_api.php [4] http://realtimeblog.free.fr/cell_map.php README: openBmap logger version 0.1 What you should expect: * generation of logs * upload of logs Manual: Interface is straightforward. * A button to start generating logs. Values will be displayed when valid. Logs are stored under HOME/.openBmap/Logs by default. * A button to stop generating logs. Note that at the moment, the GSM part gets updated only after receiving an asynchronous update from the network. This means at start time, it is normal the GSM part does not display GSM information, even if you are registered to network. * A button to upload. This will block the interface until every log has been uploaded. This means that if you do not have Internet connection up and running, the GUI will be frozen until timeout of the upload part. After succesfull upload, the logs are moved to HOME/.openBmap/Processed_logs by default. Warning: you should create an account on realtimeblog.free.fr website, and fill the login/password in the configuration file before upload works. * A button to exit. Config file and application log are located under HOME/.openBmap directory by default. Known bugs: * when you are generating logs, and you press 'Stop' button. A popup window let you know you should wait for the logger to finish stopping. Under FSO M5, if you press the power button, the phone suspends. You press it again it wakes up. Nevertheless the GUI is frozen. You will have to kill the process. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Annuncing new Project - Intone mplayer frontend
r...@om-gta02:~# DISPLAY=:0 ./intone Segmentation fault -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Annuncing-new-Project---Intone-mplayer-frontend-tp2357405p2358002.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM] Less power consumption
Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grim...@dfki.de writes: What the top poster is asking is when do I get 3 days of GPS tracking - and I guess the answer is never? You can buy extra batteries. The USB battery http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3060 is only $14.43. I don't think this lets you use it for 3 days but it will at least make it 12 instead of 6 hours. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM] Less power consumption
Or of course connect it to your car cigarette lighter, or to your bike! You even get hand-crank usb chargers... Perhaps I was too negative :) - Gunnar Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grim...@dfki.de writes: What the top poster is asking is when do I get 3 days of GPS tracking - and I guess the answer is never? You can buy extra batteries. The USB battery http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3060 is only $14.43. I don't think this lets you use it for 3 days but it will at least make it 12 instead of 6 hours. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] e17 - questions
Hope this helps http://www.mikecrash.com/index.php?name=Downloadsd_op=viewdownloadcid=21 there is one bug - missing keyboard and dict data, just copy it to /usr/share/enlightenment/modules/illume i will fix it in next build One more question: i'm looking for backlight gadget like mixer, exists something like that? i don't want to use exposure, because it is slow and has only 3 backlight levels if there is no, i'll try to make it, but hmm i have no experiences with e programming :( -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-debian--e17---questions-tp2342213p2358055.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)
Hi, this has already been discussed in this thread on the devel list: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2009-January/004064.html What happens is that the license of data in the opencellid database is not clearly stated. People from openmoko has tried to contact them. We have tried two times over three months time to contact them also. We have no answer so far. No license does mean: you cannot use it at all, because you do not have any idea of your rights over it. Hope this answer your question. Onen Quoting Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org: Hi, Why setting up your own database, while opencellid has TotalCells:106120 acording to http://www.opencellid.org/cell/stats ? I think using there database will concentrate the data in on place and will give you a better coverage. Kind regards, @ On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 09:54 +0100, Onen wrote: Hi everyone, the openBmap team is happy to announce the first release of the openBmap [1] logger/uploader for freesmartphone.org. As mentioned on the main page openBmap is a free and open map of wireless communicating objects (e.g. cellular antenna, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth). It provides tools to mutualize data, create and access this map. At this time, only cellular networks are concerned. All the software code is AGPL v3 and data are Creative Commons License (creative commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported), thus the data is free to use (in the same way as OpenStreetMap). Map status (last update 2009-02-06 03:30:31) Cellular: 6 countries, 9 mobile networks, 313 location area codes, 8905 cells This could be used for: * locate you on a map. You don't need to turn GPS on. And as your GSM is always on, and the database is located on your phone, it is instantaneous. This prevent your battery and your privacy (don't need to send your GSM data to anyone on the Web). * provide rough location (the GSM gives less precise result as GPS) to the GPS, in order to speed up first time to fix. * ... The package Freesmartphone.org client [2] provides you with a logger, and an uploader. It has been tested against FSO Milestones 5. If you want to get located through your GSM data, at the moment you can use the Web API [3]. There is a Web interface [4] available to use this API and display zones on a map. We hope many will upload! Privacy note: when you upload, exactly as with OSM, your logs allow to know where and when you were. You have been warned ;-) ! I copy/paste the README of the package at the end of this email. Onen [1] http://realtimeblog.free.fr/ [2] http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=218065 [3] http://realtimeblog.free.fr/api/openbmap_api.php [4] http://realtimeblog.free.fr/cell_map.php README: openBmap logger version 0.1 What you should expect: * generation of logs * upload of logs Manual: Interface is straightforward. * A button to start generating logs. Values will be displayed when valid. Logs are stored under HOME/.openBmap/Logs by default. * A button to stop generating logs. Note that at the moment, the GSM part gets updated only after receiving an asynchronous update from the network. This means at start time, it is normal the GSM part does not display GSM information, even if you are registered to network. * A button to upload. This will block the interface until every log has been uploaded. This means that if you do not have Internet connection up and running, the GUI will be frozen until timeout of the upload part. After succesfull upload, the logs are moved to HOME/.openBmap/Processed_logs by default. Warning: you should create an account on realtimeblog.free.fr website, and fill the login/password in the configuration file before upload works. * A button to exit. Config file and application log are located under HOME/.openBmap directory by default. Known bugs: * when you are generating logs, and you press 'Stop' button. A popup window let you know you should wait for the logger to finish stopping. Under FSO M5, if you press the power button, the phone suspends. You press it again it wakes up. Nevertheless the GUI is frozen. You will have to kill the process. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM] Less power consumption
Francesco de Virgilio wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, I've searched around to get an answer, but nothing... this is just a little question flogging in my mind since 2008.12 was released: when will we have a lower power-consumption kernel, getting the Neo FreeRunner usable for 3 or 4 days (suspending it frequently)? Actually I use my Neo to call my girlfriend and to track with GPS for OpenStreetMap, but I move around with my Neo with the terror of an empty battery after a long call or a tracking session. How do you move around? For a car, most lighter-to-usb chargers will work fine. And it also lets you charge the phone on the way to/from work/shopping, so you start out with a fully charged phone. Such a charger can be made to work on a motorbike too. For bicycle, consider one of these: * DIY connection to a bicycle generator. * Bring extra phone batteries * Bring a small 12V battery and the above mentioned usb charger. That battery can be much smaller than a car or motorcycle battery. The development is getting big steps quickly, I've read Paroli is now working, the first killer apps are on the road, but I think we need a decent WiFi support and a less hungry kernel... how near are we? The kernel will always be hungry when you do gps logging, because the processor must stay on in order to move coordinates from the gps chip onto a file - once per second. (tangogps will need more power because it also draws a track (can be turned off) and your position on the map. cgpxlogger can be used to just log to a file without displaying anything, maybe drawing slightly less power. Don't know if it is ported to arm though. I find tangogps more useful for openstreetmap, because it shows me what is in the map already. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline
Cédric Berger wrote: On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 17:49, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: I may be misunderstanding the suggestion, but I don't think it had anything to do with data from ublox. The suggestion was to use data sent by other freerunner users instead of the data supplied by ublox. As I understood the suggestion was in reply to : It is not a problem that user account is required when download u-blox online aiding data. It is a problem since u-blox might go out of business and you might not want to tell them where you are all time. Their server also might be down. There are plenty of reasons to remove dependency to any single party. The problem is that data from u-blox is a proprietary format, and as far as I know, we do not know yet how to create the same data that can be pushed to the GPS chip. As far as I know - we do know the format. The SHR distribution already saves such data before turning the gps off, and restores it when you turn it on so you get the first fix quicker. Not all the data is used at the moment, because the process sometimes fail yelding long startup times. But that should only be a debugging problem. It is already possible to set up a free server for almanac data, as saving and loading almanac data works well and speed up TTFF some. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:36 AM, onen...@free.fr wrote: What happens is that the license of data in the opencellid database is not clearly stated. People from openmoko has tried to contact them. We have tried two times over three months time to contact them also. We have no answer so far. No license does mean: you cannot use it at all, because you do not have any idea of your rights over it. Hope this answer your question. Then what does the mention (opencellid.org data are being merged in openBmap.org data) at the bottom of the main page means? (yet another rant : why don't you offer an OSM-based map beside Google's?) -- Olivier ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Annuncing new Project - Intone mplayer frontend
Hi, Well, intone - the media player in making (and it's **really** basic as of now), uses 0% CPU (according to HTOP (all my tests are with it). mplayer, in a separate thread uses its usual 15% or so. I'm using anjuta and glade for development, using fifo (named pipe) to communicate with mplayer running as slave and gtk+ for the frontend. As I have said before - the code is ***really*** basic. It makes a lot of assumptions, and is right now just a demonstration program - while I get some feedback on whether I need to put in any more time in it at all. If it is in such an early state, you might consider switching to some EFL based GUI library, like Elementary or Edje. Besides eating less RAM than your GTK+ program, they are also easier to use on touchscreen devices. Your ideas sound really promising, so please consider the switch to a toolkit, that was designed for small screen devices. (The right tool for the right job ;-)) -- Fabian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Community Updates/February 20, 2009 released !
Dear list : The 12th Community Updates now is available. It can be accessed from Community Box located at the left, or via following link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/February_20%2C_2009 I will like to thank the community for the help and for sharing us some interesting information. Best Regards Brenda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Annuncing new Project - Intone mplayer frontend
Hi, bytestore wrote: Create a playlist. And - I hope you have mplayer installed. :-) . No error checking as of now. Soon! Fabian Henze wrote: Hi, ... switching to some EFL based GUI library, like Elementary or Edje. Besides eating less RAM than your GTK+ program, they are also easier to use on touchscreen devices. Well, I would like to do that myself. Can anyone point me to some documentation on Elementary? Quite like it actually. Does it have something like a tree-view? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Annuncing-new-Project---Intone-mplayer-frontend-tp2357405p2358240.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Annuncing new Project - Intone mplayer frontend
Hi, **Edited** bytestore wrote: segementation fault. Create a playlist. And - I hope you have mplayer installed. :-) . No error checking as of now. Soon! Fabian Henze wrote: Hi, ... switching to some EFL based GUI library, like Elementary or Edje. Besides eating less RAM than your GTK+ program, they are also easier to use on touchscreen devices. Well, I would like to do that myself. Can anyone point me to some documentation on Elementary? Quite like it actually. Does it have something like a tree-view? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Annuncing-new-Project---Intone-mplayer-frontend-tp2357405p2358244.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline
Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no writes:
As far as I know - we do know the format. The SHR distribution
Yes frameworkd ogpsd has some info about it:
# Feed GPS with position and time
self.send(AID-INI, 48, {X : pos.get(x, 0) , Y : pos.get(y, 0) , Z :
pos.get(z, 0), \
POSACC : pacc, TM_CFG : 0 , WN : wn , TOW : tow , TOW_NS :
0 , \
TACC_MS : tacc , TACC_NS : 0 , CLKD : 0 , CLKDACC : 0 ,
FLAGS : flags })
# Feed gps with almanac
if self.aidingData.get( almanac, None ):
for k, a in self.aidingData[almanac].iteritems():
logger.debug(Loaded almanac for SV %d % a[SVID])
self.send(AID-ALM, 40, a);
Good to know that the hope is not lost! :-)
It is already possible to set up a free server for almanac data, as
saving and loading almanac data works well and speed up TTFF some.
But where do we get this almanac data? Can we redistribute what
u-box.com sends us?
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Re: [OM] Less power consumption
:2009-02-20T11:50:Helge Hafting: The kernel will always be hungry when you do gps logging, because the processor must stay on in order to move coordinates from the gps chip onto a file - once per second. (tangogps will need more power because it also draws a track (can be turned off) and your position on the map. cgpxlogger can be used to just log to a file without displaying anything, maybe drawing slightly less power. Don't know if it is ported to arm though. To bad one can't set update each second... every 5 seconds, every 15 seconds every 30s every 60s and so on... That way the CPU could go to sleep in between. -- Andraž ruskie Levstik Source Mage GNU/Linux Games grimoire guru Geek/Hacker/Tinker Be sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth. Quis custodiet ipsos custodies. Ryle hira. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Annuncing new Project - Intone mplayer frontend
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Re: [OM] Less power consumption
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 6:25 AM, Andraž 'ruskie' Levstik rus...@codemages.net wrote: :2009-02-20T11:50:Helge Hafting: The kernel will always be hungry when you do gps logging, because the processor must stay on in order to move coordinates from the gps chip onto a file - once per second. (tangogps will need more power because it also draws a track (can be turned off) and your position on the map. cgpxlogger can be used to just log to a file without displaying anything, maybe drawing slightly less power. Don't know if it is ported to arm though. To bad one can't set update each second... every 5 seconds, every 15 seconds every 30s every 60s and so on... That way the CPU could go to sleep in between. -- Andraž ruskie Levstik Source Mage GNU/Linux Games grimoire guru Geek/Hacker/Tinker Be sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth. Quis custodiet ipsos custodies. Ryle hira. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I'm a complete n00b to the freerunner, I don't even have my phone yet, but for saving power when using GPS is there a quick way to turn off GPS when it is not needed and back on that will cut down on power usage, also delaying when it updates might help two of my friends have an Iphone and they update GPS every 2-3 seconds I don't think setting a delay in the updates would be such a bad thing here as long as it is not something insane like 10 seconds or more. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM] Less power consumption
On Friday 20 February 2009 10:36:18 Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes wrote: What the top poster is asking is when do I get 3 days of GPS tracking - and I guess the answer is never? Don't know if the GPS chip in FR is specially power-hungry, but for example my Tomtom ONE battery lasts only 2-3 hours. As said bellow, I think you should use external power for GPS... What I was trying to say is that only 3 months ago, my battery life was 24 h even suspended all the time. Being ~50% after 40 hours is a HUGE improvement :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)
Well, on the frontpage, bottom line it says: The data are available under the Creative Common license. Is that enough, or do you need more info about the details of that license? Kind regards, Ed On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 11:36 +0100, onen...@free.fr wrote: Hi, this has already been discussed in this thread on the devel list: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2009-January/004064.html What happens is that the license of data in the opencellid database is not clearly stated. People from openmoko has tried to contact them. We have tried two times over three months time to contact them also. We have no answer so far. No license does mean: you cannot use it at all, because you do not have any idea of your rights over it. Hope this answer your question. Onen Quoting Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org: Hi, Why setting up your own database, while opencellid has TotalCells:106120 acording to http://www.opencellid.org/cell/stats ? I think using there database will concentrate the data in on place and will give you a better coverage. Kind regards, @ On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 09:54 +0100, Onen wrote: Hi everyone, the openBmap team is happy to announce the first release of the openBmap [1] logger/uploader for freesmartphone.org. As mentioned on the main page openBmap is a free and open map of wireless communicating objects (e.g. cellular antenna, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth). It provides tools to mutualize data, create and access this map. At this time, only cellular networks are concerned. All the software code is AGPL v3 and data are Creative Commons License (creative commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported), thus the data is free to use (in the same way as OpenStreetMap). Map status (last update 2009-02-06 03:30:31) Cellular: 6 countries, 9 mobile networks, 313 location area codes, 8905 cells This could be used for: * locate you on a map. You don't need to turn GPS on. And as your GSM is always on, and the database is located on your phone, it is instantaneous. This prevent your battery and your privacy (don't need to send your GSM data to anyone on the Web). * provide rough location (the GSM gives less precise result as GPS) to the GPS, in order to speed up first time to fix. * ... The package Freesmartphone.org client [2] provides you with a logger, and an uploader. It has been tested against FSO Milestones 5. If you want to get located through your GSM data, at the moment you can use the Web API [3]. There is a Web interface [4] available to use this API and display zones on a map. We hope many will upload! Privacy note: when you upload, exactly as with OSM, your logs allow to know where and when you were. You have been warned ;-) ! I copy/paste the README of the package at the end of this email. Onen [1] http://realtimeblog.free.fr/ [2] http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=218065 [3] http://realtimeblog.free.fr/api/openbmap_api.php [4] http://realtimeblog.free.fr/cell_map.php README: openBmap logger version 0.1 What you should expect: * generation of logs * upload of logs Manual: Interface is straightforward. * A button to start generating logs. Values will be displayed when valid. Logs are stored under HOME/.openBmap/Logs by default. * A button to stop generating logs. Note that at the moment, the GSM part gets updated only after receiving an asynchronous update from the network. This means at start time, it is normal the GSM part does not display GSM information, even if you are registered to network. * A button to upload. This will block the interface until every log has been uploaded. This means that if you do not have Internet connection up and running, the GUI will be frozen until timeout of the upload part. After succesfull upload, the logs are moved to HOME/.openBmap/Processed_logs by default. Warning: you should create an account on realtimeblog.free.fr website, and fill the login/password in the configuration file before upload works. * A button to exit. Config file and application log are located under HOME/.openBmap directory by default. Known bugs: * when you are generating logs, and you press 'Stop' button. A popup window let you know you should wait for the logger to finish stopping. Under FSO M5, if you press the power button, the phone suspends. You press it again it wakes up. Nevertheless the GUI is frozen. You will have to kill the process. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org
Re: [OM] Less power consumption
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Garabana Barro ha scritto: You should try FSO 5 or unstable SHR. With latest unstable SHR image, after 40 hours mostly suspended I had about 50% battery. battery life is improving a lot! The GPS tracking is not a problem, since I'm going to buy a Garmin GPSMap 60Csx (battery life around 20h of tracking with 2 AA batteries) because I need also a good routing device. The real problem is that for my complicated day 15h life with a normal use of the phone is too few. My last mail was finalized to find a pretty way to improve the life of my FR. This is the way. I think that SHR unstable + the Rechargeable USB Emergency Power Backup Pack suggested by Timo Juhani Lindfors You can buy extra batteries. The USB battery http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3060 is only $14.43. I don't think this lets you use it for 3 days but it will at least make it 12 instead of 6 hours. should work for me. However, also a good wifi roaming device could be interesting... is there a way to get the SHR unstable connect to open wifi networks around the streets? Thanks to all for the hints :) - -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia Italia Member* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmenSIACgkQRi2TsGSC4FYuEwCfX+jYXqkJZGWaM3cDEWU86Ftc SsYAoJ49ueSBy34mlbhSl5UWTKKkDVjF =HL/x -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)
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Re: Community Updates/February 20, 2009 released !
Nice, thanks everyone who contributed. I just wish the engineering news would come back - I don't follow the git changes but I still would like to have a clue on what's happening there.. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Announcing new Project - Intone mplayer frontend
Hi, Richy-2 wrote: I think that's what you are looking for: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Elementary Thanks. Switching over. Lets see how things turn out! -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Annuncing-new-Project---Intone-mplayer-frontend-tp2357405p2358515.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[FYP]
did anyone tried FYP already? Cheers Tony ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: There are many creative commons licenses, some are permit commercial use, some don't. If you go one click further, you'd discover that the said Creative Commons licence chosed by OpenCellID is : http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ So it should be ok for openbmap guys. That could explain the thing about merging both databases. Any official insight on this? I've been collecting cell information for a few weeks, with some home-made script, and I'd like to know where I should commit them to. Thanks. -- Olivier ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)
Hi, you said So it should be ok for openbmap guys. That could explain the thing about merging both databases. Any official insight on this? I've been collecting cell information for a few weeks, with some home-made script, and I'd like to know where I should commit them to. Could you please make a wiki page and put + explain your script for doing that ? I think we can go very fast if anyone can use them (thinking about how openstreetmap extends..) Thanks in advance ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM] Less power consumption
last time i tested it (been some time) i was able to get around 8hours of gps tracking using tangogps, screen almost constantly dimmed On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Francesco de Virgilio fradev...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Garabana Barro ha scritto: You should try FSO 5 or unstable SHR. With latest unstable SHR image, after 40 hours mostly suspended I had about 50% battery. battery life is improving a lot! The GPS tracking is not a problem, since I'm going to buy a Garmin GPSMap 60Csx (battery life around 20h of tracking with 2 AA batteries) because I need also a good routing device. The real problem is that for my complicated day 15h life with a normal use of the phone is too few. My last mail was finalized to find a pretty way to improve the life of my FR. This is the way. I think that SHR unstable + the Rechargeable USB Emergency Power Backup Pack suggested by Timo Juhani Lindfors You can buy extra batteries. The USB battery http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3060 is only $14.43. I don't think this lets you use it for 3 days but it will at least make it 12 instead of 6 hours. should work for me. However, also a good wifi roaming device could be interesting... is there a way to get the SHR unstable connect to open wifi networks around the streets? Thanks to all for the hints :) - -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia Italia Member* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmenSIACgkQRi2TsGSC4FYuEwCfX+jYXqkJZGWaM3cDEWU86Ftc SsYAoJ49ueSBy34mlbhSl5UWTKKkDVjF =HL/x -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM] Less power consumption
Hi all I would like to knwo if there was a gps tool which could save gps tracks from command line with very few memory / cpu use ? For OM, SHR or debian based distribution ? It could be great to activate a GPS only mode wich turn off GSM, Wifi, etc. and all the librairy running which are useless for only gps tracking. The best would be a specific distribution ? kimaidou 2009/2/20 Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com last time i tested it (been some time) i was able to get around 8hours of gps tracking using tangogps, screen almost constantly dimmed On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Francesco de Virgilio fradev...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Garabana Barro ha scritto: You should try FSO 5 or unstable SHR. With latest unstable SHR image, after 40 hours mostly suspended I had about 50% battery. battery life is improving a lot! The GPS tracking is not a problem, since I'm going to buy a Garmin GPSMap 60Csx (battery life around 20h of tracking with 2 AA batteries) because I need also a good routing device. The real problem is that for my complicated day 15h life with a normal use of the phone is too few. My last mail was finalized to find a pretty way to improve the life of my FR. This is the way. I think that SHR unstable + the Rechargeable USB Emergency Power Backup Pack suggested by Timo Juhani Lindfors You can buy extra batteries. The USB battery http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3060 is only $14.43. I don't think this lets you use it for 3 days but it will at least make it 12 instead of 6 hours. should work for me. However, also a good wifi roaming device could be interesting... is there a way to get the SHR unstable connect to open wifi networks around the streets? Thanks to all for the hints :) - -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia Italia Member* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmenSIACgkQRi2TsGSC4FYuEwCfX+jYXqkJZGWaM3cDEWU86Ftc SsYAoJ49ueSBy34mlbhSl5UWTKKkDVjF =HL/x -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)
Maybe this can help a bit: http://www.sites.bipt.be/indexfr1.html (click on the first blue link) it wil display a map of belgium, with all cell towers (already built and those with a building permission) if you click on a dot, you can get a pdf with information about who owns the tower, where it it placed, how many antenna's are on it and a lot of other irrelevant data too bad that as far as i can see the cellID is not included in the documentation :( y On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:49 PM, kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, you said So it should be ok for openbmap guys. That could explain the thing about merging both databases. Any official insight on this? I've been collecting cell information for a few weeks, with some home-made script, and I'd like to know where I should commit them to. Could you please make a wiki page and put + explain your script for doing that ? I think we can go very fast if anyone can use them (thinking about how openstreetmap extends..) Thanks in advance ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FYP]
I did. Not finger friendly except zhone On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Tony Berth tonybe...@googlemail.comwrote: did anyone tried FYP already? Cheers Tony ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Best Regards HouYu Li, Karajan karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com karadog (at) gmail.com lihouyu (at) phpex.net PHP Programmer Red Hat Certified Engineer 15th Feb, 2008 Shanghai, China ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM] Less power consumption
kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com writes: I would like to knwo if there was a gps tool which could save gps tracks from command line with very few memory / cpu use ? For OM, SHR or debian based distribution ? echo rw | netcat localhost gpsd gps.log is what I use. Very memory and cpu efficient. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)
And are you guys aware of cellhunter? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CellHunter http://78.47.116.33/~hole/cellhunter/ you could work together, and maybe also incorporate the game concept for those interested y On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe this can help a bit: http://www.sites.bipt.be/indexfr1.html (click on the first blue link) it wil display a map of belgium, with all cell towers (already built and those with a building permission) if you click on a dot, you can get a pdf with information about who owns the tower, where it it placed, how many antenna's are on it and a lot of other irrelevant data too bad that as far as i can see the cellID is not included in the documentation :( y On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:49 PM, kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, you said So it should be ok for openbmap guys. That could explain the thing about merging both databases. Any official insight on this? I've been collecting cell information for a few weeks, with some home-made script, and I'd like to know where I should commit them to. Could you please make a wiki page and put + explain your script for doing that ? I think we can go very fast if anyone can use them (thinking about how openstreetmap extends..) Thanks in advance ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)
Hi, here is the post of the thread I pointed out earlier explaining why this is not clear at all, and why we have tried to reach the people behind opencellid.org (without any success). http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2009-January/004161.html quote The logo is placed next to the copyright for the website, so it could also stand for the license of the website... end of quote This dates back to January. Now to my understanding, the sentence (which is new to me): The data are available under the Creative Common license. which points to http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ lets me think it is now ok. Onen Quoting Olivier Migeot larry...@gmail.com: On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: There are many creative commons licenses, some are permit commercial use, some don't. If you go one click further, you'd discover that the said Creative Commons licence chosed by OpenCellID is : http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ So it should be ok for openbmap guys. That could explain the thing about merging both databases. Any official insight on this? I've been collecting cell information for a few weeks, with some home-made script, and I'd like to know where I should commit them to. Thanks. -- Olivier ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)
excuse me for the spam, but just thought of something else: do you guys also log information about neighbouring cells, like cellhunter does? this might also be interesting when you have gps coordinates the accuracy of the neighbouring cells are much lower ofcourse, but could also provide some very usefull info y On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com wrote: And are you guys aware of cellhunter? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CellHunter http://78.47.116.33/~hole/cellhunter/ you could work together, and maybe also incorporate the game concept for those interested y On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe this can help a bit: http://www.sites.bipt.be/indexfr1.html (click on the first blue link) it wil display a map of belgium, with all cell towers (already built and those with a building permission) if you click on a dot, you can get a pdf with information about who owns the tower, where it it placed, how many antenna's are on it and a lot of other irrelevant data too bad that as far as i can see the cellID is not included in the documentation :( y On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:49 PM, kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, you said So it should be ok for openbmap guys. That could explain the thing about merging both databases. Any official insight on this? I've been collecting cell information for a few weeks, with some home-made script, and I'd like to know where I should commit them to. Could you please make a wiki page and put + explain your script for doing that ? I think we can go very fast if anyone can use them (thinking about how openstreetmap extends..) Thanks in advance ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)
Hi, I had a look, but did not find a way to download the data? And what is the license? The whole point to me, is to have data with a license which lets me download it, and use it directly on my phone. I don't want to send my GSM coordinate to any third party on the Web to get my GPS position. It is a matter of privacy. Onen Quoting Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com: Maybe this can help a bit: http://www.sites.bipt.be/indexfr1.html (click on the first blue link) it wil display a map of belgium, with all cell towers (already built and those with a building permission) if you click on a dot, you can get a pdf with information about who owns the tower, where it it placed, how many antenna's are on it and a lot of other irrelevant data too bad that as far as i can see the cellID is not included in the documentation :( y On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:49 PM, kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, you said So it should be ok for openbmap guys. That could explain the thing about merging both databases. Any official insight on this? I've been collecting cell information for a few weeks, with some home-made script, and I'd like to know where I should commit them to. Could you please make a wiki page and put + explain your script for doing that ? I think we can go very fast if anyone can use them (thinking about how openstreetmap extends..) Thanks in advance ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Updates/February 20, 2009 released !
Hi, I can't speak for the whole engineering, but I can bring light on paroli and the respective images. Over the past 7 days we have: - gotten daily build unstable images which by now boot directly into paroli http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/NeoFreerunner/fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.jffs2 http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/NeoFreerunner/uImage-2.6.28-oe1+gitr34240a1c06ae36180dee695aa25bbae869b2aa26-r3-om-gta02.bin They do come with bugs and issues sometimes critical like today when paroli hangs because a resource in the framework is not available at paroli launch. This will be gone tomorrow. - Fixed lots of bugs and issues such as: -- unicode in message reading -- loading messages from the SIM and saving incoming messages in the phone automatically -- made all our lists automatically react to changes in items etc -- gui issues such as the PIN dialog -- got rid of the green topbar ;) -- muting ringtone on incoming call -- muting call in call (also as of tomorrow again) - moved most of the Milestone two tickets[1] to testing and - were feverishly working on the stuff for the next milestone[2] What are we planning to do next? - keep on fixing issues in MS2 - continue working towards MS3 - get the kbd to match paroli on the image - get messaging and contacts up and running as soon as possible to allow brave testers to use paroli daily ... any volnteers ? ;) Hope this is what you were looking for. If not just give me a ping and I'll spill out more details. And again if anyone is interested in helping out with paroli, contribute code or test or or or ... Let us know! /mirko [1] http://paroli-project.org/trac/query?status=acceptedstatus=assignedstatus=closedstatus=code_reviewstatus=newstatus=reopenedstatus=testingorder=prioritycol=idcol=summarycol=statuscol=typecol=prioritycol=componentmilestone=Milestone+2 [2] http://paroli-project.org/trac/roadmap Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Nice, thanks everyone who contributed. I just wish the engineering news would come back - I don't follow the git changes but I still would like to have a clue on what's happening there.. r ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)
I have discovered this project as I was cleaning up my code for release. At first glance, the differences are: * It sends direct AT commands to the modem, and parse the responses. openBmap relies on freesmartphone.org * So far they only collect data. We already have the Web API available to use the data to get located. Nick has already done a lot of work to create the GSM coverage areas out of the raw datas. But now that I have released my work, I will get in touch with the people at cellhunter to see if we could cooperate. Onen Quoting Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com: And are you guys aware of cellhunter? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CellHunter http://78.47.116.33/~hole/cellhunter/ you could work together, and maybe also incorporate the game concept for those interested y On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe this can help a bit: http://www.sites.bipt.be/indexfr1.html (click on the first blue link) it wil display a map of belgium, with all cell towers (already built and those with a building permission) if you click on a dot, you can get a pdf with information about who owns the tower, where it it placed, how many antenna's are on it and a lot of other irrelevant data too bad that as far as i can see the cellID is not included in the documentation :( y On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:49 PM, kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, you said So it should be ok for openbmap guys. That could explain the thing about merging both databases. Any official insight on this? I've been collecting cell information for a few weeks, with some home-made script, and I'd like to know where I should commit them to. Could you please make a wiki page and put + explain your script for doing that ? I think we can go very fast if anyone can use them (thinking about how openstreetmap extends..) Thanks in advance ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:49 PM, kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com wrote: Could you please make a wiki page and put + explain your script for doing that ? I think we can go very fast if anyone can use them (thinking about how openstreetmap extends..) Thanks in advance Sure I can, I'll try to send something within next days. But it's all very lame, like writing current cellid/lac and lat/lon in a text file. -- Olivier ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:31 PM, onen...@free.fr wrote: Hi, I had a look, but did not find a way to download the data? And what is the license? You mean data from opencellid? I guess the raw data link in their menu doesn't fit? Or try there http://myapp.fr/cellsIdData/ -- Olivier ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)
For the moment our position is: We log the cell ids we get connected to. We do not log the neighbour cells. The reason is: if we are far from the cells, we will (maybe, this needs experimentation to my point of view) see the cells even very far. I fear that it would stretch the areas, and thus decrease the precision, nullifying the benefit of recording those additional cells. But, my idea, is to use the neighbour cells, to detect the overlapping region among areas of cells I currently see, to improve the precision. Any comments? Onen Quoting Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com: excuse me for the spam, but just thought of something else: do you guys also log information about neighbouring cells, like cellhunter does? this might also be interesting when you have gps coordinates the accuracy of the neighbouring cells are much lower ofcourse, but could also provide some very usefull info y On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com wrote: And are you guys aware of cellhunter? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CellHunter http://78.47.116.33/~hole/cellhunter/ you could work together, and maybe also incorporate the game concept for those interested y On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe this can help a bit: http://www.sites.bipt.be/indexfr1.html (click on the first blue link) it wil display a map of belgium, with all cell towers (already built and those with a building permission) if you click on a dot, you can get a pdf with information about who owns the tower, where it it placed, how many antenna's are on it and a lot of other irrelevant data too bad that as far as i can see the cellID is not included in the documentation :( y On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:49 PM, kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, you said So it should be ok for openbmap guys. That could explain the thing about merging both databases. Any official insight on this? I've been collecting cell information for a few weeks, with some home-made script, and I'd like to know where I should commit them to. Could you please make a wiki page and put + explain your script for doing that ? I think we can go very fast if anyone can use them (thinking about how openstreetmap extends..) Thanks in advance ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:42 PM, onen...@free.fr wrote: Any comments? That's the current position of my script too. But I wanted to log both the current cell and the respective levels of the neighbour cells. That way, I could try (with a lt of data) to guess the actual localization of the tower. Though that part only makes sense in my own business, and not necessarily in the general geolocation by GSM data-thing. -- Olivier ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)
No. If you look correctly at my response, I was responding to the message from Yorick, about http://www.sites.bipt.be/indexfr1.html Onen Quoting Olivier Migeot larry...@gmail.com: On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:31 PM, onen...@free.fr wrote: Hi, I had a look, but did not find a way to download the data? And what is the license? You mean data from opencellid? I guess the raw data link in their menu doesn't fit? Or try there http://myapp.fr/cellsIdData/ -- Olivier ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)
isn't more data always preferable? you could still decide not to use them... cells that we are connected to would recieve a higher precision off course, but if I walk five times around in a city, and I never get connected to a certain cell, but I know a lot of points where that cell is in range, and a lot of points where it isn't? I don't find it impossible that one could distill some information from this. And even a precision of 30km or more helps the assisted gps from ublox; so neighbouring cells can certainly be of some help, don't you agree? y On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:42 PM, onen...@free.fr wrote: For the moment our position is: We log the cell ids we get connected to. We do not log the neighbour cells. The reason is: if we are far from the cells, we will (maybe, this needs experimentation to my point of view) see the cells even very far. I fear that it would stretch the areas, and thus decrease the precision, nullifying the benefit of recording those additional cells. But, my idea, is to use the neighbour cells, to detect the overlapping region among areas of cells I currently see, to improve the precision. Any comments? Onen Quoting Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com: excuse me for the spam, but just thought of something else: do you guys also log information about neighbouring cells, like cellhunter does? this might also be interesting when you have gps coordinates the accuracy of the neighbouring cells are much lower ofcourse, but could also provide some very usefull info y On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com wrote: And are you guys aware of cellhunter? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CellHunter http://78.47.116.33/~hole/cellhunter/ you could work together, and maybe also incorporate the game concept for those interested y On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe this can help a bit: http://www.sites.bipt.be/indexfr1.html (click on the first blue link) it wil display a map of belgium, with all cell towers (already built and those with a building permission) if you click on a dot, you can get a pdf with information about who owns the tower, where it it placed, how many antenna's are on it and a lot of other irrelevant data too bad that as far as i can see the cellID is not included in the documentation :( y On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:49 PM, kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, you said So it should be ok for openbmap guys. That could explain the thing about merging both databases. Any official insight on this? I've been collecting cell information for a few weeks, with some home-made script, and I'd like to know where I should commit them to. Could you please make a wiki page and put + explain your script for doing that ? I think we can go very fast if anyone can use them (thinking about how openstreetmap extends..) Thanks in advance ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)
If you are interested in getting the position of the cells, this point was discussed in the thread I pointed out earlier in this thread: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2009-January/004064.html Maybe this can help you with your work. Onen Quoting Olivier Migeot larry...@gmail.com: On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:42 PM, onen...@free.fr wrote: Any comments? That's the current position of my script too. But I wanted to log both the current cell and the respective levels of the neighbour cells. That way, I could try (with a lt of data) to guess the actual localization of the tower. Though that part only makes sense in my own business, and not necessarily in the general geolocation by GSM data-thing. -- Olivier ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM] Less power consumption
Very light in fact :D Thanks ! 2009/2/20 Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com writes: I would like to knwo if there was a gps tool which could save gps tracks from command line with very few memory / cpu use ? For OM, SHR or debian based distribution ? echo rw | netcat localhost gpsd gps.log is what I use. Very memory and cpu efficient. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: connect freerunner with debian to a windows-PC
Reported this to linux-usb list. Here is url: Here is answer from David Brownell: http://marc.info/?l=linux-usbm=123507198413197w=2 I guess i can't do much more with this problem, right? Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian]Voice recorder - ecasound -- Help
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Timo Juhani Lindfors ha scritto: kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com writes: arecord -D hw -f cd -v -t wav ~/rec-$(date +%Y-%m-%d-%H-%M).wav Btw, it's useful to add GSM cell information and GPS location information to the filename when it is available. I think that implementing this the Neo FreeRunner will be the first phone for mappers (I'm referring to OpenStreetMap). Georeferred voice notes could be a coolest feature in a completely open phone to produce completely open maps. Actually, the audio mapping[1] is supported by the main OSM editor, JOSM[2], and is the smartest way to collect streets names for bikers. An important note: it is not necessary for a mapper to have the recordings georeferred with latitude and longitude, the audio metadata could contain simply the time catched by GPS, and in this way the file will be georeferred on a GPX. In both the cases, again, after TangoGPS (with OSM support) this could be the big step to create a phone for mappers. Good work :) [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Audio_mapping [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM - -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia Italia Member* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmeu9oACgkQRi2TsGSC4Fb6EQCdE7O9ODAoquLd+BtJ4NR4rf1y lhsAnRsR5GYRlJjp2bFqwsP5YftEdeqA =lgbj -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian]Voice recorder - ecasound -- Help
This is a great idea. I personnaly try to add data into OSM when I have time. I will add this in high priority in my to-do list. By the way, I create a package called voicenote, and: a wiki page : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Voicenote a opkg page : http://www.opkg.org/package_140.html As you can read in the wiki page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Voicenote#Futur_improvement_.2F_To_do_list , there are a lot of things to do, and anyone wich wants to help can !! thanks for you comment 2009/2/20 Francesco de Virgilio fradev...@gmail.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Timo Juhani Lindfors ha scritto: kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com writes: arecord -D hw -f cd -v -t wav ~/rec-$(date +%Y-%m-%d-%H-%M).wav Btw, it's useful to add GSM cell information and GPS location information to the filename when it is available. I think that implementing this the Neo FreeRunner will be the first phone for mappers (I'm referring to OpenStreetMap). Georeferred voice notes could be a coolest feature in a completely open phone to produce completely open maps. Actually, the audio mapping[1] is supported by the main OSM editor, JOSM[2], and is the smartest way to collect streets names for bikers. An important note: it is not necessary for a mapper to have the recordings georeferred with latitude and longitude, the audio metadata could contain simply the time catched by GPS, and in this way the file will be georeferred on a GPX. In both the cases, again, after TangoGPS (with OSM support) this could be the big step to create a phone for mappers. Good work :) [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Audio_mapping [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM - -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia Italia Member* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmeu9oACgkQRi2TsGSC4Fb6EQCdE7O9ODAoquLd+BtJ4NR4rf1y lhsAnRsR5GYRlJjp2bFqwsP5YftEdeqA =lgbj -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Voicenote - new software
Hi all As the project I had to create a small software to record audio from the microphone has given birth to a package, I officially tell the list about it. You can find the wiki page here : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Voicenote And the opkg page here http://www.opkg.org/package_140.html As you can see in the todo list, the project is very young : * I need feedbacks * there are many things to implement But it is a 0.1 version, so let it grow. Thanks for those who helped and commented, and please add your comment / wish list / idea / code in the discussion page of the wiki page http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Talk:Voicenoteaction=edit Kimaidou ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Linphone not available?
open in browser http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t This Account Has Been Suspended Please contact the support department as soon as possible, and please have your site name ready. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Linphone-not-available--tp2359208p2359208.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Voicenote - new software
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 r...@om-gta02:~# voicenote.sh Recording... /usr/bin/voicenote.sh: line 13: arecord: command not found killall: arecord: no process killed Your voice-note has been recorded under the filename : voicenote_2000-02-09_16-49.wav I cannot find any voicenote_2000-02-09_16-49.wav... why it doesn't find arecord? How could I install it? Thanks, kimaidou ha scritto: Hi all As the project I had to create a small software to record audio from the microphone has given birth to a package, I officially tell the list about it. You can find the wiki page here : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Voicenote And the opkg page here http://www.opkg.org/package_140.html As you can see in the todo list, the project is very young : * I need feedbacks * there are many things to implement But it is a 0.1 version, so let it grow. Thanks for those who helped and commented, and please add your comment / wish list / idea / code in the discussion page of the wiki page http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Talk:Voicenoteaction=edit http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Talk:Voicenoteaction=edit Kimaidou - -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia Italia Member* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmewWsACgkQRi2TsGSC4FYtFgCcClYXba0aw3ok42oG/6Gs1Dv4 ftMAoKSvlPAUnjkGefjYolxBjqIOfuXC =1tOL -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Voicenote - new software
kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com writes: As you can see in the todo list, the project is very young : * I need feedbacks * there are many things to implement I'd like to have voice detection so that it records only when I talk. I'm sure there is some existing software that does this so writing new is not necessary. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Voicenote - new software
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 kimaidou ha scritto: Hi all As the project I had to create a small software to record audio from the microphone has given birth to a package, I officially tell the list about it. You can find the wiki page here : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Voicenote And the opkg page here http://www.opkg.org/package_140.html As you can see in the todo list, the project is very young : * I need feedbacks * there are many things to implement But it is a 0.1 version, so let it grow. Thanks for those who helped and commented, and please add your comment / wish list / idea / code in the discussion page of the wiki page http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Talk:Voicenoteaction=edit http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Talk:Voicenoteaction=edit Kimaidou Pardon, should be added that alsa-utils-aplay package is needed to get the program working properly; add this also on opkg.org: opkg install alsa-utils-aplay NOW IT WORKS!! Great program :D Greetings - -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia Italia Member* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmewp0ACgkQRi2TsGSC4FZgTACbBwjp7MZH5D0XQDjEV43oAXDD 8pgAnicWYxPKf/VfXn5d3J4Qsdy5hgJd =Y5dl -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Voicenote - new software
Pardon, should be added that alsa-utils-aplay package is needed to get the program working properly; add this also on opkg.org: opkg install alsa-utils-aplay NOW IT WORKS!! Great program :D Greetings Thanks for your feedback. Since I ran it on debian, I did not knwo this package was not installed. I will add this info on the wiki page and the opkg ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FYP]
I did - nice distro with good tools (GPS on/off, Battery with current drain/loading,...) in the upper task bar. But in my case suspend does not work, so not for the daily use. So worth a try I would suggest :) :) stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Voicenote - new software
I'd like to have voice detection so that it records only when I talk. I'm sure there is some existing software that does this so writing new is not necessary. It will be harder to do than this because : * even if the soft exists, I have no knowledge to use it (my coding skill are very thin, I don't know how to make librairies, signals and all this type of things communicate * the environment of the freerunner is ofter noisy * the process must stay awake in wait mode, so it uses CPU. * the freerunner can receive a phone call So, my simple voicenote soft will really focus on taking one note at a time, with the simplest code possible. Could you please tell me in wich context you will need voice detection ? Kimaidou ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Voicenote - new software
Hello. On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 15:30, kimaidou wrote: As you can see in the todo list, the project is very young : * I need feedbacks If you add and desktop file and an icon it should be usable without a terminal. Just start it with a press in the launcher and you can make voicenotes in a fast and easy manner. regards Stefan Schmidt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)
Hello. On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 09:54, Onen wrote: the openBmap team is happy to announce the first release of the openBmap [1] logger/uploader for freesmartphone.org. Awesome. Thanks for doing this. The package Freesmartphone.org client [2] provides you with a logger, and an uploader. It has been tested against FSO Milestones 5. Did you build this package by hand or with a recipe for OE? I ask because I would like to include it into OE and put it into the MS5 feed and perhaps also in the image for the next milestone. If you have an bitbake recipe that would make my life easier, if not just tell my if there is anythoing special I need to know for building it. regards Stefan Schmidt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Voicenote - new software
Hi Can you please tell me on which distribution you have installed it, and how ? There are actually a desktop file in /usr/share/applications/ and a icon in the /usr/share/pixmaps. So on the OM and SHR distros, an icon should appear. Please provide more details please :S Has anyone else got the same problem ? Thanks 2009/2/20 Stefan Schmidt ste...@openmoko.org Hello. On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 15:30, kimaidou wrote: As you can see in the todo list, the project is very young : * I need feedbacks If you add and desktop file and an icon it should be usable without a terminal. Just start it with a press in the launcher and you can make voicenotes in a fast and easy manner. regards Stefan Schmidt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK Build Instructions
Hi all,Just getting started with FreeRuner and thought I would share my experience building Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK. Follow this link for the details:http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Radagast#Qt_Extended_SDKlater,andrew. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Making FreeRunner work as a Phone (using Qt Extended)
Hi all,Spent the last six weeks fooling around with different distributions. Obviously some distros are better than others for certain tasks. IMO Qt Extended is the best for using FreeRunner as a phone (although it sucks for many other tasks!). So I put together some instructions for other total newbs like me:http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Radagast#Getting_the_Freerunner_working_as_a_Phonelater,andrew. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Voicenote - new software
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 kimaidou ha scritto: Hi Can you please tell me on which distribution you have installed it, and how ? There are actually a desktop file in /usr/share/applications/ and a icon in the /usr/share/pixmaps. So on the OM and SHR distros, an icon should appear. Please provide more details please :S Has anyone else got the same problem ? On OM 2008.12, after installing aplay package, it works like a charm ;) One suggestion: why do not try to make a more user-friendly interface which is big as the whole screen space, with big buttons (useful for bikers) and a traffic light[1] showing: - - red -- message of the 1st window - - orange -- message of the 2nd window - - green -- recorded and saved ... or something like that ;) In PyGtk it's very simple and immediate to realize that, but before summer I've no time :( Greetings :D [1] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Ampel.svg - -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia Italia Member* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmezCkACgkQRi2TsGSC4FY2KACgmhjCw8b3CQC3exF4VJGId30G UMoAoJqlDo4Wcod0Zi/4txATszS3f+y1 =RoQa -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Voicenote - new software
One suggestion: why do not try to make a more user-friendly interface which is big as the whole screen space, with big buttons (useful for bikers) and a traffic light[1] showing: - - red -- message of the 1st window - - orange -- message of the 2nd window - - green -- recorded and saved ... or something like that ;) In PyGtk it's very simple and immediate to realize that, but before summer I've no time :( Greetings :D [1] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Ampel.svg - -- Francesco de Virgilio Francesco, this is a great idea, which I called replace zenity by a real frontend as EFL ? in my to-do list. I will think about it and try it. I am not sure yet if I must use python + pygtk or python + EFL ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenCellID (was OpenBmap logger (GSM positioning)])
Dear OpenMoko community (and thanks ed for pointing this out). I am behind the opencellid.org project, and it seems that there are some discussion around it these day on the mailing list. So let me clarifiy: - As described in the web site, the license is under creative common share alike 3.0. I had several request today stating that just linking to the license was not clear enough, so I will re-clarify it on the web site, but also in this list. - I am surprised to see statment that I did not answer to some questions. I've verified,and all openmoko request have been answered. I am not perfect, and may be some emails have been missed, but a search on openmoko on my mail box did not raise any pending question. There is more than 100 000 cells covered, with 5.5 millions of measure, and more cells will be donated soon. We expect to reach 200 000 cells in the coming weeks thanks to a new project donation. There is also more than 10 different clients (windows mobile, symbian, blackberry, j2me,...) gathering the database. I've been running this project since more than one year , with an objective to push community efforts around cell id. So I would be more than happy to see new effort joining this project instead of creating separate efforts. So let's join effort and create something big! And as a reminder, the complete data base is available for download. So if you have any question/interrogation, feel free to share them with me so we can clarify this. Regards, -- Message transféré -- From: onen...@free.fr To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:36:38 +0100 Subject: Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning) Hi, this has already been discussed in this thread on the devel list: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2009-January/004064.html What happens is that the license of data in the opencellid database is not clearly stated. People from openmoko has tried to contact them. We have tried two times over three months time to contact them also. We have no answer so far. No license does mean: you cannot use it at all, because you do not have any idea of your rights over it. Hope this answer your question. Onen Quoting Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org: Hi, Why setting up your own database, while opencellid has TotalCells:106120 acording to http://www.opencellid.org/cell/stats ? I think using there database will concentrate the data in on place and will give you a better coverage. Kind regards, @ On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 09:54 +0100, Onen wrote: Hi everyone, the openBmap team is happy to announce the first release of the openBmap [1] logger/uploader for freesmartphone.org. As mentioned on the main page openBmap is a free and open map of wireless communicating objects (e.g. cellular antenna, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth). It provides tools to mutualize data, create and access this map. At this time, only cellular networks are concerned. All the software code is AGPL v3 and data are Creative Commons License (creative commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported), thus the data is free to use (in the same way as OpenStreetMap). Map status (last update 2009-02-06 03:30:31) Cellular: 6 countries, 9 mobile networks, 313 location area codes, 8905 cells This could be used for: * locate you on a map. You don't need to turn GPS on. And as your GSM is always on, and the database is located on your phone, it is instantaneous. This prevent your battery and your privacy (don't need to send your GSM data to anyone on the Web). * provide rough location (the GSM gives less precise result as GPS) to the GPS, in order to speed up first time to fix. * ... The package Freesmartphone.org client [2] provides you with a logger, and an uploader. It has been tested against FSO Milestones 5. If you want to get located through your GSM data, at the moment you can use the Web API [3]. There is a Web interface [4] available to use this API and display zones on a map. We hope many will upload! Privacy note: when you upload, exactly as with OSM, your logs allow to know where and when you were. You have been warned ;-) ! I copy/paste the README of the package at the end of this email. Onen [1] http://realtimeblog.free.fr/ [2] http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=218065 [3] http://realtimeblog.free.fr/api/openbmap_api.php [4] http://realtimeblog.free.fr/cell_map.php README: openBmap logger version 0.1 What you should expect: * generation of logs * upload of logs Manual: Interface is straightforward. * A button to start generating logs. Values will be displayed when valid. Logs are stored under HOME/.openBmap/Logs by default. * A button to stop generating logs. Note that at the moment, the
Re: Annuncing new Project - Intone mplayer frontend
files. All that was required was a frontend for it! I know pythm is just that, but my Neo uses more than 30% CPU with it. It could be a minor bug - I'll just remind people here that pythm also works with MPD. If you use the MPD backend, it works very efficiently (probably the same as what you see with your mplayer+intone). The other advantage of MPD is that you can control it from anywhere since the communication between the frontend and the backend is over a TCP/IP connection. E.g. you can use your FR's pythm as a remote control for your other machines's MPDs (I have an MPD running on a small server at home, turning it into a jukebox). Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK Build Instructions
and...@howlett.net escribió: Hi all, Just getting started with FreeRuner and thought I would share my experience building Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK. Follow this link for the details: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Radagast#Qt_Extended_SDK later, andrew. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Thanks for your work! I've been trying to build QtE too, however, I'm trying to build it using FSO as the base image, using the FSO toolchain as mwester's page. However I've not been successful so far (it complains about not finding dbus-1, I will be trying to debug it and get it to work all day today so I'll report back if i get to something) The main idea is to modernize the underlying rootfs for qtextended, so we can benefit from all the kernel bugfixing and all that (and faster boot times!) regards Tom PS. your instructions are indeed very helpful ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK Build Instructions
Hi! ... On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Tomas Riveros Schober trive...@enable.cl wrote: and...@howlett.net escribió: Hi all, Just getting started with FreeRuner and thought I would share my experience building Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK. Follow this link for the details: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Radagast#Qt_Extended_SDK ... and thank you for your job! I tried to build it myself (without success..), but I didn't have time to look more carefuly into this :/ I'll try your your 'recipe' tomorrow :D Cheers, Przemek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Freerunner user at Harding
I've heard say that there is another Freerunner user at Harding University (which is where I am) and I'm wondering who they are. If said person is on this list, let me know. :) I was surprised when someone said they recognized my phone, since most people see it and ask What is THAT?? -- Thanks, The Digital Pioneer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline
But where do we get this almanac data? Can we redistribute what u-box.com sends us? AFAIK, the almanac data that framworkd saves from the GPS can come from u-blox but can also come directly from the GPS satellites. So we could try to setup some kind of peer-to-peer distribution of the data downloaded from the satellites. Of course, that presumes we have the right to distribute the satellite's data. Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Voicenote - new software
Oh, you guys are talking about something concerning me in a special way!!! I can't wait any longer! The last few days i was working on an dictation- oder voice-recording-application as well. It is not ready yet, but basically functionable. I began with a python-gtk-gui and by now it is only recording and playing wavs. I didn't want to use arecord and aplay, but python-tools. I was just about implementing real-time-ogg-conversion. I've attached my work up to now, maybe it's helpful. It's in need of a little improvement but works. just untar the content into / , get all the dependency-stuff (just read /usr/local/dictator/readme), change the saving-folder to the folder you like, then start by typing: python /usr/local/dictator/diktator.py enjoy! :) Well, let's work together if you like. Or let this be a help for you. For example up to now i don't know how to package things as ipk! Matthias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com Gesendet: 20.02.09 16:37:25 An: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: Voicenote - new software One suggestion: why do not try to make a more user-friendly interface which is big as the whole screen space, with big buttons (useful for bikers) and a traffic light[1] showing: - - red -- message of the 1st window - - orange -- message of the 2nd window - - green -- recorded and saved ... or something like that ;) In PyGtk it's very simple and immediate to realize that, but before summer I've no time :( Greetings :D [1] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Ampel.svg - -- Francesco de Virgilio Francesco, this is a great idea, which I called replace zenity by a real frontend as EFL ? in my to-do list. I will think about it and try it. I am not sure yet if I must use python + pygtk or python + EFL ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/ mailman/listinfo/community ___ Jetzt 1 Monat kostenlos! WEB.DE FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 17,95 EURO/mtl.!* http://dsl.web.de/?ac=OM.AD.AD008K15039B7069a dictator.tar.gz Description: application/tgz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Voicenote - new software
I am just crying so noisily right now :( Ok, I have been beaten :D . But: * I am happy someone has the same need * I was trying to find doc on pygtk, so I will stop :D * I will try your application * I am sure it is what I intended to do at first. If not I will help you with ideas and code * I can help you to package it conclusion : I don't know yet if I must kill my opkg page and wiki page about Voicenote, or if I should let the user choose ? Anyway I wil be happy to work with you as a team. Kimaidou 2009/2/20 Matthias Felsche matthiasfels...@web.de Oh, you guys are talking about something concerning me in a special way!!! I can't wait any longer! The last few days i was working on an dictation- oder voice-recording-application as well. It is not ready yet, but basically functionable. I began with a python-gtk-gui and by now it is only recording and playing wavs. I didn't want to use arecord and aplay, but python-tools. I was just about implementing real-time-ogg-conversion. I've attached my work up to now, maybe it's helpful. It's in need of a little improvement but works. just untar the content into / , get all the dependency-stuff (just read /usr/local/dictator/readme), change the saving-folder to the folder you like, then start by typing: python /usr/local/dictator/diktator.py enjoy! :) Well, let's work together if you like. Or let this be a help for you. For example up to now i don't know how to package things as ipk! Matthias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com Gesendet: 20.02.09 16:37:25 An: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: Voicenote - new software One suggestion: why do not try to make a more user-friendly interface which is big as the whole screen space, with big buttons (useful for bikers) and a traffic light[1] showing: - - red -- message of the 1st window - - orange -- message of the 2nd window - - green -- recorded and saved ... or something like that ;) In PyGtk it's very simple and immediate to realize that, but before summer I've no time :( Greetings :D [1] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Ampel.svg - -- Francesco de Virgilio Francesco, this is a great idea, which I called replace zenity by a real frontend as EFL ? in my to-do list. I will think about it and try it. I am not sure yet if I must use python + pygtk or python + EFL ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/ mailman/listinfo/community ___ Jetzt 1 Monat kostenlos! WEB.DE FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 17,95 EURO/mtl.!* http://dsl.web.de/?ac=OM.AD.AD008K15039B7069a ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK Build Instructions
Hi, I'm using my own QtExtended image, based on : QtExtended 4.4.3 snapshot (13 Feb 2009 version) Kernel 2.6.28 Based on Hackable1 (debian based rootfs, giving me easy access to all commandline tools. It is also possible to 'switch' between Qt X. running from µ-SD The image is not yet 100% working, but I?m able to use my FR as a reliable mobile phone with a decent running time and a fun hacking device at the same time. I'll post my patches (mostly changes to Qt to adapt for the new kernel) somewhere during the next days , and once I have an image that I'm happy with I'll make it available for download. Filip. On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:51:03 +0100, Przemys?aw Maci?g pmac...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! ... On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Tomas Riveros Schober trive...@enable.cl wrote: and...@howlett.net escribió: Hi all, Just getting started with FreeRuner and thought I would share my experience building Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK. Follow this link for the details: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Radagast#Qt_Extended_SDK ... and thank you for your job! I tried to build it myself (without success..), but I didn't have time to look more carefuly into this :/ I'll try your your 'recipe' tomorrow :D Cheers, Przemek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
fyp in qemu?
Hello, i am new to this whole openmoko stuff, so please be patient with me ;) I tried to get a fyp installation running in qemu. Here is what i did: 1. compiled qemu with: $ svn checkout https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973 $ cd qemu-neo1973 $ ./configure --target-list=arm-softmmu $ make then i downloaded the 2 files from here: http://opensvn.csie.org/fyp/releases/2.17/ and put them in ./openmoko/ now i changed openmoko/env to match the filenames. A openmoko/flash.sh runs fine until it stops with the following error: Please wait, programming the NAND flash... qemu: fatal: Trying to execute code outside RAM or ROM at 0x0004 [followed by a qemu register dump] What is going wrong? Is it possible at all to get this running (i need something to play with until my device is delivered :) )? Greets, -- Kai Timmer Email : em...@kait.de Jabber: k...@kait.de ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Qt Extended 4.4.2 Feed
I couldn't find any good Qt Extended 4.4.2 feeds so I made my own:http://radagast.bglug.ca/neoAll Qt Extended 4.4.2 users are welcome to use it. If you want me to add your package email it to me at and...@nospampleasehowlett.net (remove the nospamplease to form the correct email address).So far I've got the example app, qtgps and qterminal in the feed.later,andrew. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Voicenote - new software
Please, don't you cry!!! I haven't tried your application by now, but when I'll be home, I'll do immediately! :))) So let's work together: * we need some python-ogg and python-vorbis packages for OM and SHR, i think they exist in debian (sources: http://ekyo.nerim.net/software/pyogg/index.html) * How to achieve the same sound-quality produced by arecord with the same properties? -- ALSA-State-Tweakings? * ... * ... * Drink a Beer! :) Greetings Matthias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com Gesendet: 20.02.09 17:05:42 An: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: Voicenote - new software I am just crying so noisily right now :( Ok, I have been beaten :D . But: * I am happy someone has the same need * I was trying to find doc on pygtk, so I will stop :D * I will try your application * I am sure it is what I intended to do at first. If not I will help you with ideas and code * I can help you to package it conclusion : I don't know yet if I must kill my opkg page and wiki page about Voicenote, or if I should let the user choose ? Anyway I wil be happy to work with you as a team. Kimaidou 2009/2/20 Matthias Felsche matthiasfels...@web.de Oh, you guys are talking about something concerning me in a special way!!! I can't wait any longer! The last few days i was working on an dictation- oder voice-recording- application as well. It is not ready yet, but basically functionable. I began with a python-gtk-gui and by now it is only recording and playing wavs. I didn't want to use arecord and aplay, but python-tools. I was just about implementing real-time-ogg-conversion. I've attached my work up to now, maybe it's helpful. It's in need of a little improvement but works. just untar the content into / , get all the dependency-stuff (just read /usr/local/dictator/readme), change the saving-folder to the folder you like, then start by typing: python /usr/local/dictator/diktator.py enjoy! :) Well, let's work together if you like. Or let this be a help for you. For example up to now i don't know how to package things as ipk! Matthias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com Gesendet: 20.02.09 16:37:25 An: List for Openmoko community discussion commun...@lists.openmoko. org Betreff: Re: Voicenote - new software One suggestion: why do not try to make a more user-friendly interface which is big as the whole screen space, with big buttons (useful for bikers) and a traffic light[1] showing: - - red -- message of the 1st window - - orange -- message of the 2nd window - - green -- recorded and saved ... or something like that ;) In PyGtk it's very simple and immediate to realize that, but before summer I've no time :( Greetings :D [1] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Ampel.svg - -- Francesco de Virgilio Francesco, this is a great idea, which I called replace zenity by a real frontend as EFL ? in my to-do list. I will think about it and try it. I am not sure yet if I must use python + pygtk or python + EFL ___ Openmoko community mailing list commun...@lists.openmoko.orghttp://lists.openmoko.org/ mailman/listinfo/community __ _ Jetzt 1 Monat kostenlos! WEB.DE FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 17,95 EURO/mtl.!* http://dsl.web.de/?ac=OM.AD.AD008K15039B7069a ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/ mailman/listinfo/community ___ DSL zum Nulltarif + 20 Euro Extraprämie bei Online-Bestellung über die DSL Freundschaftswerbung! http://dsl.web.de/?ac=OM.AD.AD008K15279B7069a ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Making FreeRunner work as a Phone (using Qt Extended)
Am Friday 20 February 2009 16:27:15 schrieb and...@howlett.net: Hi all,br /br /Spent the last six weeks fooling around with different distributions. Obviously some distros are better than others for certain tasks. IMO Qt Extended is the best for using FreeRunner as a phone (although it sucks for many other tasks!). So I put together some instructions for other total newbs like me:br /br /http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Radagast#Getting_the_Freerunner_workin g_as_a_Phonebr /br /later,br /andrew. Sorry for not being too helpful, but for the sake of simplicity it would be really nice if you sent plain text instead of html mails to the list. :) Thank you very much, -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Qi powers off after few seconds
It often happens to me that when I turn on the phone, Qi turns it off again after a few seconds, when the boot process has already started. It only boots normally when I turn it on the second time. Might after battery removal. Anybody else noticed this? Michal ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qi powers off after few seconds
Yeap.. I noticed it 2-3 times.. rusolis wrote: It often happens to me that when I turn on the phone, Qi turns it off again after a few seconds, when the boot process has already started. It only boots normally when I turn it on the second time. Might after battery removal. Anybody else noticed this? Michal ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Qi-powers-off-after-few-seconds-tp2359763p2359802.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qi powers off after few seconds
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | It often happens to me that when I turn on the phone, Qi turns it off | again after a few seconds, when the boot process has already started. It | only boots normally when I turn it on the second time. Might after | battery removal. Anybody else noticed this? What's your kernel? If it's not recent, try a 2.6.29 one it may resolve it. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkme2lwACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqylACfTsRJE4QhVOzgP2agWBXReg5y 7cYAnAj153a6bJoNtGW2wNLWCxw61wBD =GZcI -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Sell GTA02 - Portugal
Hello, I want to sell my GTA02, because i dont have time for play with the mobile... Is like new, i use it on a openmoko pouch. I have buy from Pulster, on 18 of November of 2008. The Package Includes: * Neo FreeRunner * AC adapter * USB cable * 1200 mAH battery * Laser stylus (Original) * 3 HTC stylus * micro SD card (512MB) * micro SD card (4GB) * pouch of openmoko * case I sell it for 310 Euros. Thanks, Samuel Pereira smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: (Android) Uboot
2009/2/20 Paul p...@nlpagan.net Hello folks, Since a long time I can do something with the Freerunner again (my mother died a few weeks ago...) I have heard about Android images of Michael Trimarchi. But in the readme on his site, he mentions that the Uboot environment needs to be updated as the kernel is quite large. Can someone point me to the proper setting of the Uboot env, so I can play with this Android image? Just flash Qi to u-boot and you won't have to bother with env. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qt Extended 4.4.2 Feed
Hi, Nice work, but the qtgps is not working with the 4.4.2. I can install it without problems, but when I am trying to run it, it crashes (Application terminated due to application error). Rgrds Chris -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Qt-Extended-4.4.2-Feed-tp2359700p2359887.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
(Android) Uboot
Hello folks, Since a long time I can do something with the Freerunner again (my mother died a few weeks ago...) I have heard about Android images of Michael Trimarchi. But in the readme on his site, he mentions that the Uboot environment needs to be updated as the kernel is quite large. Can someone point me to the proper setting of the Uboot env, so I can play with this Android image? So far SHR has been quite nice, but I am really intrigued by Android... Paul -- Marriage is love. Love is blind. Therefore, marriage is an institution for the blind. http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2009 and Ubuntu 8.10 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Voicenote - new software
Hello. On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 16:18, kimaidou wrote: Hi Can you please tell me on which distribution you have installed it, and how ? There are actually a desktop file in /usr/share/applications/ and a icon in the /usr/share/pixmaps. So on the OM and SHR distros, an icon should appear. Please provide more details please :S Ignore, it's working, my mistake. If you like to get this into OE and thus into the feed for FSO and other distros let me know. If you don't have a bitbake recipe building the ipkg let me know the the building details and I can take care of it. regards Stefan Schmidt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK Build Instructions
That's great - I'm using QtE 4.4.2 right now, and I'd love to get an updated build - but I don't really have the time to muck about getting everything to compile. If you can share your images when they are ready, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks! Warren On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Filip Onkelinx fi...@linux4.be wrote: Hi, I'm using my own QtExtended image, based on : QtExtended 4.4.3 snapshot (13 Feb 2009 version) Kernel 2.6.28 Based on Hackable1 (debian based rootfs, giving me easy access to all commandline tools. It is also possible to 'switch' between Qt X. running from µ-SD The image is not yet 100% working, but I?m able to use my FR as a reliable mobile phone with a decent running time and a fun hacking device at the same time. I'll post my patches (mostly changes to Qt to adapt for the new kernel) somewhere during the next days , and once I have an image that I'm happy with I'll make it available for download. Filip. On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:51:03 +0100, Przemys?aw Maci?g pmac...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! ... On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Tomas Riveros Schober trive...@enable.cl wrote: and...@howlett.net escribió: Hi all, Just getting started with FreeRuner and thought I would share my experience building Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK. Follow this link for the details: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Radagast#Qt_Extended_SDK ... and thank you for your job! I tried to build it myself (without success..), but I didn't have time to look more carefuly into this :/ I'll try your your 'recipe' tomorrow :D Cheers, Przemek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: (Android) Uboot
Just flash Qi to u-boot and you won't have to bother with env. Thanks! Paul ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK Build Instructions
very interesting indeed! d On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Warren Baird photogeek...@gmail.comwrote: That's great - I'm using QtE 4.4.2 right now, and I'd love to get an updated build - but I don't really have the time to muck about getting everything to compile. If you can share your images when they are ready, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks! Warren On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Filip Onkelinx fi...@linux4.be wrote: Hi, I'm using my own QtExtended image, based on : QtExtended 4.4.3 snapshot (13 Feb 2009 version) Kernel 2.6.28 Based on Hackable1 (debian based rootfs, giving me easy access to all commandline tools. It is also possible to 'switch' between Qt X. running from µ-SD The image is not yet 100% working, but I?m able to use my FR as a reliable mobile phone with a decent running time and a fun hacking device at the same time. I'll post my patches (mostly changes to Qt to adapt for the new kernel) somewhere during the next days , and once I have an image that I'm happy with I'll make it available for download. Filip. On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:51:03 +0100, Przemys?aw Maci?g pmac...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! ... On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Tomas Riveros Schober trive...@enable.cl wrote: and...@howlett.net escribió: Hi all, Just getting started with FreeRuner and thought I would share my experience building Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK. Follow this link for the details: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Radagast#Qt_Extended_SDK ... and thank you for your job! I tried to build it myself (without success..), but I didn't have time to look more carefuly into this :/ I'll try your your 'recipe' tomorrow :D Cheers, Przemek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)
hi, Yorick Moko wrote: isn't more data always preferable? you could still decide not to use them... cells that we are connected to would recieve a higher precision off course, Agreed. That is the point of view of Nick (from the project). Add a field to know if the log is a connected cell, or a neighbour one. On the phone the idea is to have the areas of the cells in a database. Not every GPS point uploaded to the raw database. But still, the raw database could grow up pretty fast. You should see with Nick, he takes care of the server side. but if I walk five times around in a city, and I never get connected to a certain cell, but I know a lot of points where that cell is in range, and a lot of points where it isn't? I don't find it impossible that one could distill some information from this. Probably. But again the database could grow quickly. But as stated in my previous email, I think we need to experiment with this, to see what works or not, and what takes not too much space. And even a precision of 30km or more helps the assisted gps from ublox; so neighbouring cells can certainly be of some help, don't you agree? I definitely think that using the neighbour cells to improve accuracy at locating time, will be much useful. What I wonder, is if to log them, increasing the amount of data, but stretching the areas related to them will bring us anything. y On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:42 PM, onen...@free.fr wrote: For the moment our position is: We log the cell ids we get connected to. We do not log the neighbour cells. The reason is: if we are far from the cells, we will (maybe, this needs experimentation to my point of view) see the cells even very far. I fear that it would stretch the areas, and thus decrease the precision, nullifying the benefit of recording those additional cells. But, my idea, is to use the neighbour cells, to detect the overlapping region among areas of cells I currently see, to improve the precision. Any comments? Onen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)
Hello, Stefan Schmidt wrote: Hello. On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 09:54, Onen wrote: the openBmap team is happy to announce the first release of the openBmap [1] logger/uploader for freesmartphone.org. Awesome. Thanks for doing this. I think so too ;-) The package Freesmartphone.org client [2] provides you with a logger, and an uploader. It has been tested against FSO Milestones 5. Did you build this package by hand or with a recipe for OE? I ask because I would like to include it into OE and put it into the MS5 feed and perhaps also in the image for the next milestone. By hand. Thanks for helping! That would be awesome too! If you have an bitbake recipe that would make my life easier, if not just tell my if there is anythoing special I need to know for building it. I don't have a recipe. Nothing comes to my mind about something special for building it. It was working with python 2.5 under FSO M4.1. The package puts the file now under 2.6 python directories, under FSO M5. I only have forgotten one dependency in the package description: the framework! Onen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Pidgin Facebook plugin :: troubleshoot arm problems...
Hi there, I'm on 2008.12 += Kustomizer and I have just got pidgin working. On my desktop I use a hackish pidgin plugin to use facebook chat via pidgin. The website is here: http://code.google.com/p/pidgin-facebookchat/ There is a version built for arm: http://code.google.com/p/pidgin-facebookchat/downloads/detail?name=libfacebookarm-1.47.so but I get the feeling it is arm5 because the moment one starts to use it pidgin crashes because of illegal instruction The only reason I attempted to use the prebuilt version is because I had such a touch time trying to get the right things installed to be able to build my own (I'm not experienced at doing this!) Has anyone got any ideas? Tim howto install it: http://code.google.com/p/pidgin-facebookchat/wiki/How_To_Install Crash log below: (18:18:42) jabber: xmlParseChunk returned error 100 (18:18:46) util: Writing file accounts.xml to directory /home/root/.purple (18:18:46) util: Writing file /home/root/.purple/accounts.xml (18:18:46) util: Writing file blist.xml to directory /home/root/.purple (18:18:46) util: Writing file /home/root/.purple/blist.xml (18:19:02) jabber: jabber_actions: have pep: NO (18:19:02) account: Connecting to account someuser (18:19:02) connection: Connecting. gc = 0x4b4fa0 (18:19:02) facebook: sending request headers: POST /login.php HTTP/1.0 Host: login.facebook.com Connection: close User-Agent: Opera/9.50 (Windows NT 5.1; U; en-GB) Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded Content-length: 121 Accept: */* Cookie: isfbe=false;test_cookie=1; (18:19:02) dns: DNS query for 'login.facebook.com' queued (18:19:02) dns: DNS query for 'login.facebook.com' queued (18:19:02) dns: Created new DNS child 1447, there are now 1 children. (18:19:02) dns: Successfully sent DNS request to child 1447 (18:19:02) dns: Created new DNS child 1448, there are now 2 children. (18:19:02) dns: Successfully sent DNS request to child 1448 (18:19:02) dns: Got response for 'login.facebook.com' (18:19:02) dnsquery: IP resolved for login.facebook.com (18:19:02) facebook: updating cache of dns addresses (18:19:02) facebook: Host login.facebook.com has IP 69.63.180.173 (18:19:02) dns: Got response for 'login.facebook.com' (18:19:02) dnsquery: IP resolved for login.facebook.com (18:19:02) proxy: Attempting connection to 69.63.180.173 (18:19:02) proxy: Connecting to login.facebook.com:443 with no proxy (18:19:02) proxy: Connection in progress (18:19:03) proxy: Connected to login.facebook.com:443. (18:19:03) gnutls: Starting handshake with login.facebook.com (18:19:03) gnutls: Handshake complete (18:19:03) gnutls/x509: Key print: 52:6c:34:5c:4d:f6:11:d3:27:04:af:a8:ae:8e:71:a6:98:57:45:e3 (18:19:03) gnutls: Peer provided 1 certs (18:19:03) gnutls: Lvl 0 SHA1 fingerprint: 52:6c:34:5c:4d:f6:11:d3:27:04:af:a8:ae:8e:71:a6:98:57:45:e3 (18:19:03) gnutls: Serial: 05:1b:4c (18:19:03) gnutls: Cert DN: C=US,O=login.facebook.com,OU=GT04482452,OU=See www.geotrust.com/resources/cps (c)06,OU=Domain Control Validated - QuickSSL(R),CN=login.facebook.com (18:19:03) gnutls: Cert Issuer DN: C=US,O=Equifax Secure Inc.,CN=Equifax Secure Global eBusiness CA-1 (18:19:03) certificate/x509/tls_cached: Starting verify for login.facebook.com (18:19:03) certificate/x509/tls_cached: Checking for cached cert... (18:19:03) certificate/x509/tls_cached: ...Found cached cert (18:19:03) gnutls: Attempting to load X.509 certificate from /home/root/.purple/certificates/x509/tls_peers/login.facebook.com (18:19:03) certificate/x509/tls_cached: Peer cert matched cached (18:19:03) certificate: Successfully verified certificate for login.facebook.com (18:19:03) facebook: post_or_get_ssl_connect_cb (18:19:04) gnutls: receive failed: A TLS packet with unexpected length was received. (18:19:04) facebook: ssl error, but data received. attempting to continue (18:19:04) facebook: response headers HTTP/1.1 200 OK Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:21:59 GMT Server: Apache/1.3.41.fb1 Expires: Mon, 26 Jul 1997 05:00:00 GMT Cache-Control: private, no-store, no-cache, must-revalidate, post-check=0, pre-check=0 Pragma: no-cache P3P: CP=HONK Set-Cookie: datr=1235154119-0ced3018d903912eaeafc91216d086a44662bde3bb464d7d71fc5; expires=Thu, 21-May-2009 18:21:59 GMT; path=/; domain=.facebook.com; httponly Set-Cookie: test_cookie=1; path=/; domain=.facebook.com Set-Cookie: login=+; path=/; domain=.facebook.com; httponly Set-Cookie: login_x=a%3A2%3A%7Bs%3A5%3A%22email%22%3Bs%3A15%3A%22someuser%22%3Bs%3A19%3A%22remember_me_default%22%3Bb%3A1%3B%7D; expires=Tue, 16-Jun-2009 12:08:39 GMT; path=/; domain=.facebook.com; httponly Set-Cookie: reg_fb_gate=https%3A%2F%2Flogin.facebook.com%2Flogin.php; path=/; domain=.facebook.com Set-Cookie: reg_fb_ref=https%3A%2F%2Flogin.facebook.com%2Flogin.php; path=/; domain=.facebook.com Set-Cookie: test_cookie=1; path=/; domain=.facebook.com Set-Cookie: login=+; path=/; domain=.facebook.com; httponly Connection: close Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 snip ... ... (18:18:42)
Re: OpenCellID (was OpenBmap logger (GSM positioning)])
Hi Thomas, Thomas Landspurg wrote: Dear OpenMoko community (and thanks ed for pointing this out). I am behind the opencellid.org http://opencellid.org project, and it seems that there are some discussion around it these day on the mailing list. Last month, and today, indeed. So let me clarifiy: - As described in the web site, the license is under creative common share alike 3.0. I had several request today stating that just linking to the license was not clear enough, so I will re-clarify it on the web site, but also in this list. Last time I checked (and other people, see the post I pointed out earlier today), it was not clear. But today, as people had a look again, it seems to me pretty clear :-) - I am surprised to see statment that I did not answer to some questions. I've verified,and all openmoko request have been answered. I am not perfect, and may be some emails have been missed, but a search on openmoko on my mail box did not raise any pending question. Not sure what you mean by openmoko request... When I stated that neither us nor openmoko did get an answer, I should have written: If I recall correclty openmoko tried to reach opencellid, but I have not heard of any response. We tried to contact opencellid, but got no response. I personally have not tried to reach you. But Nick yes, without answer, for what I have understood. There is more than 100 000 cells covered, with 5.5 millions of measure, and more cells will be donated soon. We expect to reach 200 000 cells in the coming weeks thanks to a new project donation. There is also more than 10 different clients (windows mobile, symbian, blackberry, j2me,...) gathering the database. Is there different countries? Good to see there is no client for openmoko, otherwise I may have worked for nothing ;-) I've been running this project since more than one year , with an objective to push community efforts around cell id. So I would be more than happy to see new effort joining this project instead of creating separate efforts. So let's join effort and create something big! I am very glad to read this, especially as I was very disappointed not being able to leverage the existing work you have done. For my part I work on the client side. A logger/uploader. I guess it would be easy to modify it to upload to your database if we go that way. But for now, I think it would be good Nick (who takes care of the server side) and you keep discussing, in order to evaluate a possible merger. As there are also plans on embedding the database on the phone, and using it to locate, I would like to know if this part would interest you? Or only the server side and upload? And as a reminder, the complete data base is available for download. So if you have any question/interrogation, feel free to share them with me so we can clarify this. Regards, Great we can move along. I hated this feeling of reinventing the wheel! Onen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
