Re: [QtExtended] some things
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 W.Kenworthy wrote: Sounds even worse than shr/2008x/FSO then - why oh why cant some of the time spent on keyboards for any OM version be put into something that works. Oh, it's ass-and-a-half-of-full-cream-dairy-milk... ;) Yeah, I can't fathom how something so simple could be fucked up so completely, repeatedly... makes you wonder what the hell is going on in less-visible areas, Although given the travesty that is 2008.x, nothing would suprise me really. Never been able to run qt - always tried it on the SD card, which in hindsight, needed a slow clock. Wasn't game to flash it as I needed a phone and if it didnt work on SD ... I've never tried it on the SD card, only flashed it. Works *okay* most of the time. All the software in 2008.x is simply the QTe software hacked to run on X, basically what you get with QTe is kind of like a version of 2008.x which isn't a total abomination - it's actually somewhat responsive - pressing 'answer' actually answers the call, rather than initiating a 10 second preparing to think about acting on your keypress period. With QTe, at Idle, your CPU usage isn't sitting at 20%! :O Think of 2008.x as the bastard, horribly mutated and deformed offspring of QT Extended and some deranged genetic scientist. It also has it's bugs though: * you need to reboot at least once a day or it'll just stop working, period. (A call will come in, and you'll press 'answer' 300 times, and nothing will happen. Eventually you'll just pull the battery and call whoever was trying to call you). * Also, as mentioned, typing an SMS (especially a long one) is a bit of a joke, particularly if you're in a car / on a train - it takes so long to type anything that you may as well just get yourself some carrier pigeons. * Often when you receive a call, it will come in twice, resulting in a missed call from the same number at the same time. * Whenever you answer a call, it will automagically (and very helpfully) switch itself into speakerphone mode, which usually results in a wonderful burst of ear-splitting feedback. This makes for an excellent conversation point, and serves to liven up your day: *RING* *RING* *SCRCH* me: Hang on a second (Switches to handset mode) me: Hello? caller: Hello? Dale? me: Yeah caller: What the hell was that?!? me: Oh, just my phone, it's a piece of junk. caller: Man, your phone really really sucks ass. I can't believe you actually paid money for it. And I can't believe it *still* doesn't work! you can usually fix anything! Linux must be really shit. me: Actually, linux is good, it's just OpenMoko that sucks ass. But with the evidence you're seeing/hearing, I can't really argue it, can I? caller: Nope. There's no way you'll get me using linux after seeing your phone in action. * Also, most/all messages in your inbox will be duplicated whenever you recieve a new SMS, meaning that your inbox will fill up very quickly if you don't delete your sms messages religiously. Moving these messages to trash and emptying trash may or may not delete them from the inbox, depending on the current weather conditions. This is obviously some super-duper kind of backup mechanism, intended to stop me from accidentally deleting SMS messages which I don't want anymore. I am finding shr much more usable than the others at the moment - but even it does have its quirks if you want to use it everyday. I haven't tried SHR yet, can't be bothered with the bullshit involved with backing up your phone, importing contacts, etc. Plus IIUC SHR is based on FSO, which still doesn't have any PIM except for contacts stored on the sim, and for me PIM is important. I was very impressed with the last FSO I flashed, but PIM is the dealbreaker for me there - I'm hanging out for FSO to have PIM integrated, then I might actually have a phone. (Well, actually, I'm not hanging out for it - I'm getting my money back on this godawful abortion of a thing and buying a blackberry) - -D -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvfFzFbVnQRV3OEYRAucnAJ9c6Cl3OTtQa704ePyiPhd/glLrqACfQ2eD kvYhHAQ6ikLHqH/uJP890BE= =Rrf9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Good news: FixNow mode can be wakenup through serial port
Hi,
Glad that power safe mode will be implemented into ogpsd.
Although serial port is enough, it's really good if somebody can point out
how to wakeup through EXTINT0.
I've seen UBX binary codes in ogpsd, so the basic implementation is simple.
My codes are written in C instead of Python, so I post pseudo codes here:
enum
{
FIXNOW_DISABLED,
FIXNOW_ENABLED,
};
static int fxn_mode = FIXNOW_DISABLED;
/* set CFG-RXM */
unsigned char packet[] = {
0xB5, 0x62, /* header */
0x06, 0x11, /* message type: CFG-RXM */
0x02, 0x00, /* length */
0x03, /* GPS sensitivity mode: auto */
0x01, /* low power mode: FixNow */
0x00, 0x00 /* check sum: to be set */
};
unsigned char wakeup[] = { 0xFF, 0xFF, 0xFF, 0xFF, 0xFF, 0xFF, 0xFF, 0xFF,
0xB5, 0x62, 0x02, 0x40, 0x00, 0x00, 0x42,0xC8 };
int write_ubx_packet (unsigned char *buf, int size)
{
if (fxn_mode = FIXNOW_ENABLED) {
// TBD: write wakeup[];
sleep(1); /* suitable? */
}
int success = 0;
// TBD: write buf and set success;
return success;
}
/* see U-BLOX document for more details */
int configure_fxn(unsigned char t_off_minutes)
{
/* suitable? */
unsigned char acq_minutes = 3;
unsigned char acq_off_minutes = 3;
unsigned char ms_acq = acq_minutes * 60 * 1000;
unsigned char ms_acq_off = acq_off_minutes * 60 * 1000;
unsigned char ms_t_on = 15 * 1000; /* 15 seconds, note: suitable? */
unsigned char ms_t_off = t_off_minutes * 60 * 1000;
unsigned char req[4], req_off[4], on[4], off[4];
int i, j;
for (i=0; i4; i++) {
j = i 3;
req[i] = (ms_acq j) 0xFF;
req_off[i] = (ms_acq_off j) 0xFF;
on[i] = (ms_t_on j) 0xFF;
off[i] = (ms_t_off j) 0xFF;
}
unsigned char packet[] = {
0xB5, 0x62,
0x06, 0x0E, /* CFG-FXN */
36, 0x00, /* length */
0x02 | 0x10, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, /* flags */
req[0], req[1], req[2], req[3], /* t_reacq: default 20 minutes
*/
req[0], req[1], req[2], req[3], /* t_acq: default 20 minutes */
req_off[0], req_off[1], req_off[2], req_off[3], /* t_reacq_off:
default
100 minutes */
req_off[0], req_off[1], req_off[2], req_off[3], /* t_acq_off:
default 100
minutes*/
on[0], on[1], on[2], on[3], /* t_on */
off[0], off[1], off[2], off[3], /* t_off */
0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, /* res */
0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, /* base_tow */
0x00, 0x00 /* checksum */
};
int success = 0;
// TBD: checksum the packet and write to serial port, optionally read
ACK
return success;
}
#1 enable FXN mode (before suspend?)
if (! configure_fxn(30)) { /* offtime: suitable? */
// ignore
}
if (fxn_mode == FIXNOW_DISABLED) {
// 1. checksum packet[]
// 2. write this packet to serial port, and optionally read ACK
to check
success or not
if (success) {
fxn_mode == FIXNOW_DISABLED;
} else {
// ignore
}
}
#2 disable FXN mode (after resume?)
if (fxn_mode == FIXNOW_ENABLED) {
packet[7] = 0x00; /* continuous tracking mode */
// TBD: checksum packet[]
int success = 0;
int fail_counter = 0;
int max_fails = 5;
while (! success) {
// TBD: write this packet to serial port, and
optionally read ACK to
check success or not
success = ...;
if (! success) sleep (1);
if (++fail_counter == max_fails) {
// TBD: power off then power on
break;
}
}
fxn_mode == FIXNOW_DISABLED;
}
#3 poll navigation data (no matter in FixNow mode or not)
// TBD: prepare request packet
// TBD: call write_ubx_packet()
Regards,
mqy
In FixNow mode, NOTE:
1. to save power, the poll interval should not be small enough (e.g, less
than 15 seconds?)
2. occasionally, no fix available
3. my test result shows no NMEA output even the GPS chip is waken up. Need
verify.
Daniel Willmann wrote:
This sounds quite promising. How was FixNow configured in that case?
I think you misunderstood that post. In there Andy says that the GPS
will have no way to wake us up if it has a fix. What is possible is to
put the GPS into FixNow mode and wake it up either by sending some
serial data or by toggling the EXTINT0 pin that is routed to our SoC.
Re: [QtExtended] some things
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: Sounds even worse than shr/2008x/FSO then - why oh why cant some of the time spent on keyboards for any OM version be put into something that works. Well, obviously that is only his one opinion. Actually, these are facts. actually, Qtopia is by far the best and most usable phone software for the Neo. Notice the phrasing: he said qtopia, not QT Extended. There were a whole lot of bugs introduced in 4.4.2. Clever misdirection there. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvfK+FbVnQRV3OEYRAuOHAJwOAaM3XG0K8MmQ73tI1rAeIU/6GQCbBFGz 7+cXf1Nchq90xO7Ew8ggomk= =WkVu -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 01:04:25 -0400 Jeremy McNaughton jeremy.mcnaugh...@gmail.com said: With Paroli in particular I can't see it being such a big deal to size the window so it can be used with Illume. At least for right now, until more time can be dedicated to whatever mysterious way we'll eventually use to switch back and forth can be implemented. actually if they wanted to stay fullscreen - they could. just reauest fullscreen mode and it will be.. fullscreen - wm will just be in the background. as long as they provide some way in paroli to: 1. exit paroli (quit) and/or 2. self-iconify (minimize) (which basically will take you back to previous app/home). its that simple. you can have both then. when in paroli - it's fullscreen like a game - takes over the ui. when flipped out of it to other x apps, wm, launcher etc. - it just lurks in the bg as a process with a hidden window you can flip to by: 1. selecting from applist 2. flip forward/back by app flippers or 3. select paroli icon and if the .desktop file and window have all the right properties - e will happily just flip to the paroli window instantly without running it again. this is all perfectly possible and in fact dead simple to do. it just requires providing the #1 and/or #2 buttons/menus as above. (nb - power button is lost when in illume/e - by default its a keybinding for e for the sys popup with can suspend/power off and even close the current window or go home as kind of a universal my fullscreen app has just hung and locked my ui - please rescue me! button. as such if paroli wants to rely on that feature of a wm (lets say you used some other wm like matchbox etc. - it may not have this thus #1 and/or #2 above), then it even has to do NOTHING but open its window AND request fullscreen on start (trivial 1 more function call if using EFL), and provide the .desktop file so selecting the paroli icon flips to paroli (and the right properites - maybe 1 or 2 more function calls here). not telling anyone what to do - just saying that it is possible in this case to have your cake, and eat it too - with incredibly trivial/little effort. it's a little surprising that it wasn't done this way from the start just to retain portability and support for everything else at the same time. :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
QtExtended and establish datacall (CSD)
Hello I tried to establish datacall (CSD) on QtExtended (4.4.2) and I failed miserably. According to Qt (http://doc.trolltech.com/qtextended4.4/release-4-2-0.html) they even improved data call but I simply do not know how to establish datacall. I tried also to ask same question on QtExtended forum and I also failed miserably. Do we have any sample or piece of code which can give me example for CSD? Regards Mile ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Terminal
HouYu Li wrote(a): See your patch on your server...hehe... rebuilding.. Cool, you figured it out. No surprise that i forgot to attach it, so late in night :-) Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Terminal
HouYu Li wrote(a): There will be a segmentation fault when closing the last terminal tab. What to do with it? Just noticed it too. The simple thing is to run it from ssh console, maybe some hint is in output. Then comes gdb. Not sure if i have time today - quite busy with work. I would prefer to include this even that is segfaulting for 2 reasons. 1/ It would be nice to have commited the original source code - so that we can add patches to it. 2/ Terminal is so useful program that even segfault on exit is worth it. If you dont want to commit this yet, no problem - i will fix the segfault and send repaired version - but it can take some time, becouse of my moneywork. Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Terminal
Any solution or idea about the Segmentation Fault on exit?? On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: HouYu Li wrote(a): See your patch on your server...hehe... rebuilding.. Cool, you figured it out. No surprise that i forgot to attach it, so late in night :-) Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Best Regards HouYu Li, Karajan karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com karadog (at) gmail.com lihouyu (at) phpex.net PHP Developer Red Hat Certified Engineer Shanghai, China ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Terminal
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: HouYu Li wrote(a): There will be a segmentation fault when closing the last terminal tab. What to do with it? Just noticed it too. The simple thing is to run it from ssh console, maybe some hint is in output. Then comes gdb. I tried running it from console. Only Segmentation Fault printed at the end. I will try gdb later. Not sure if i have time today - quite busy with work. I would prefer to include this even that is segfaulting for 2 reasons. 1/ It would be nice to have commited the original source code - so that we can add patches to it. 2/ Terminal is so useful program that even segfault on exit is worth it. Yes. Absolute worth it. I have finished a snapbuild with the qterminal available for downloading. If you dont want to commit this yet, no problem - i will fix the segfault and send repaired version - but it can take some time, becouse of my moneywork. I have committed the change of course. And there is always a conflict between moneywork and non-moneywork. As I am doing the moneywork now. hehe. Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Best Regards HouYu Li, Karajan karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com karadog (at) gmail.com lihouyu (at) phpex.net PHP Developer Red Hat Certified Engineer Shanghai, China ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
Dale Maggee wrote: _insert previous email here_ With optimism, I have to say qte is rather polished and shows what potential can be gleamed from the FR in certain areas. Optimism aside, I have to agree with Dale on pretty much every point. Although 2008.x is actually quite usable at the moment, comparatively. Lorn, Dale did get personal towards the end but I agree with him in that any rational person would admit or agree that improvements need to be made. Ignoring, sidestepping and belittling his opinion is only going to cause frustration. If you think he is wrong, it takes a simple email to ask the people and gain a consensus. Meanwhile, my FR is currently water logged from a surprise downpour (yay for Melbourne, if we're not burning we're drowning). I doubt it will boot again, it been drying for a day, I'll leave it for a week and see what happens. If it fails to boot, I'm buying an iphone. I've never ever owned anything apple so don't start ;) I used to play logo on a IIe though :) Looking at the bluish corrosion on the battery terminals ... err ... yeah, I think it's gone. It was an abysmal phone but I still feel like I've lost a sheep from the flock or a gnu from the hurd :) The Australian component is diminishing quickly :( Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: date and GPS related questions
Daniel Willmann dan...@openmoko.org writes: I think (not sure) that Qt Extended uses the time(zone) cellbroadcast messages which are broadcasted by some operators. Looks like +CTZV unsolicited message doesn't actually supply timezone information (which must include country-specific DST information), only current offset to UTC (or GMT even?), so it's somewhat useless anyway. Am i missing something? -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: Quite actually, I was using the predictive keyboard long before anyone on this list was, so yes, I have done this. Many times. Quite actually??? Quite what? work on your english. So you've done it, many times... awesome... I note however that you didn't actually answer my question: How Long does it take? and now, how long does it take on your PC? How long did it take you to type up my sample sms on your FR running QTe? and why did you do that Many Times, as you claim? seems like wasted effort to me... Also, if you'd like to explain why I should CARE IN THE SLIGHTEST that you were using it long before anyone else, I'd love to hear it. umm, yes. I can access the menu just fine with my finger. Options - Change Input Method. ok, fair enough, so you can do it in 2 clicks, which cycles input methods. Neat! Unfortunately, however, as is your usual, you've not really answered my question: I was interested in bringing up the list of input methods, not cycling through them. It should be 2 clicks to change from predictive to qwerty, and 2 to go back. You're advocating 2 clicks to get to the qwerty keyboard, and 7 clicks to get back. How efficient. A use case is usually something that is very often used and repeatable for any user. Typing 'antidisestablishmentarianism' is hardly typical. So, you're going to squibble over semantics, rather than actually discussing the issues at hand? right. Sure sounds like you're interested in quality. In all the work I've ever done, I'd consider a worst-case-scenario to be a use case, and very worthy of concern. As far as I'm concerned, if you don't agree with that assessment, then that's a good explanation as to why your software is shit. No, but he will need to add those words to the common dictionary before they will show up in the list of words. To enter a word in the dictionary - simply press and hold the letters method. Are you saying that any word I type which isn't in the dictionary is automatically added? if this is the case then why is the word 'wot', which I use *all the time*, not in my dictionary? Where is 'antidisestablishmentarianism', which I typed earlier today? There are too many niche scenarios to target, so we targeted common, most used ones. ...and when someone brings up one you didn't target? Ignore it? stick your head in the sand? tell them that they're imagining it? This is a really great way to write shit software. News flash: Users don't care what your software is designed to do, or what use cases you have designed it to meet, they're interested in what it ACTUALLY DOES and whether it FITS THEIR REQUIREMENTS. This 'uncommon' scenario which you'd like to ignore is a valid, real-world scenario, and worthy of your attention if you're actually serious about writing decent software. If you're not interested in writing decent software, then fine, but you should at least stop pretending it's useful for anybody other than you if you're not interested in other people's scenarios (I'll refrain from using the term use-case because I'd hate for you to confuse it with something you care about). No, it was not a suggested word, as it was longer than any suggestions it could find, so it just took the letters I was typing in. So... you've completely ignored the entire point of my example, and have not addressed the concerns I raise at all. I did. its not in the dictionary. see my statement above. So... you now have a *misspelled* word in your sms editor? and you not only typed it out, but then corrected that to a properly spelled 'antidisestablishmentarianism', all in under 10 seconds? Obviously this is not what you are claiming... What I'd suggest you do is try actually reading my previous email, following my example steps, and making an informed comment regarding my concerns. As opposed to completely ignoring them and focusing on semantics, which is all you've really done in this email. Once you do that, your missEnglish word will be in the dictionary, or it should be. Then it will find it and you won't have to tap the whole word ever again. Thus saving you hours of tapping time if you would have used even a desktop keyboard. Right, so you *are* saying that anything I type is added automatically... So, you're telling me that if I accidentally misspell 'antidisestablishmentarianism', the misspelling will be added to the dictionary, and from now on it will *only* suggest the misspelt version, meaning that next time I am *forced* to type it letter-by-letter. wow, how awesome! I think, however, that you're really just digging a big fucking hole for yourself, because 'antidisestablishmentarianism' is *NOT* in my dictionary, and neither are any of the intentional mis-spellings I've typed today (or, in fact, ever, as far as I can see). If I were you, I'd steer clear of espousing the virtues of FEATURES THAT DO NOT WORK - it just makes you sound
Re: [QtExtended] some things
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 roguem...@roguewrt.org wrote: Dale Maggee wrote: _insert previous email here_ With optimism, I have to say qte is rather polished and shows what potential can be gleamed from the FR in certain areas. Optimism aside, I have to agree with Dale on pretty much every point. Although 2008.x is actually quite usable at the moment, comparatively. Lorn, Dale did get personal towards the end but I agree with him in that any rational person would admit or agree that improvements need to be made. Ignoring, sidestepping and belittling his opinion is only going to cause frustration. If you think he is wrong, it takes a simple email to ask the people and gain a consensus. Meanwhile, my FR is currently water logged from a surprise downpour (yay for Melbourne, if we're not burning we're drowning). I doubt it will boot again, it been drying for a day, I'll leave it for a week and see what happens. If it fails to boot, I'm buying an iphone. I've never ever owned anything apple so don't start ;) I used to play logo on a IIe though :) Looking at the bluish corrosion on the battery terminals ... err ... yeah, I think it's gone. It was an abysmal phone but I still feel like I've lost a sheep from the flock or a gnu from the hurd :) The Australian component is diminishing quickly :( Sarton Thanks for your support. It is clearly completely unacceptable to sidestep the issues and focus on semantics. burying your head in the sand doesn't make problems go away. That's bad news on the FR, although personally I wouldn't be too upset - you'll now be able to get a real, usable phone. And Personally I'd recommend blackberry's products over an iphone. If you think he is wrong, it takes a simple email to ask the people and gain a consensus. Exactly. but we all know this isn't going to happen - how idiotic would you feel when the public survey agrees 98% to 2% that your input methods are absolute shit, especially after you've spent an afternoon defending your retarded position? Cheers, - -Dale -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvg2MFbVnQRV3OEYRAqbhAKCFxu1o0wcqNe5xz8gRk++pQ/AwEACdHmwk AozxpcayY23DSXhpwYBBaLs= =Hxju -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
To Dale (and in a lesser extent to Lorn): let's agree to disagree, shall we? Some like the predictive keyboard, some don't. There should be an easy way to disable the predictive part, for those that don't like it (or indeed the word you typed should always be the first suggested). But that aside: stop ranting please. I agree with you, Dale, that the keyboard needs work (well, it was my mail that started this all) but I also agree with Lorn that qtopia (the former name for qtextended) is by far the best distribution for the openmoko for now (no other even comes close to a pim, and qtextended imported all my contacts just nicely, with picture even). qtextended needs work, the keyboard needs work (in my opinion), etc ... we all now it :-) Personal attacks should be left aside here, Lorn was one of the major developpers of qtextended, and give credit where credit is due ... Franky On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.netwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: Quite actually, I was using the predictive keyboard long before anyone on this list was, so yes, I have done this. Many times. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dale Maggee wrote: (Alot, handing Lorn his ass on a silver platter, with dill leaves for garnish and Lorn's choice of Chips with salad or vegetables on the side, Pwning him back to whatever hole he crawled from after 3 months of complete silence followed by an afternoon of complete bullshit). I Forgot one thing in my previous email: PREDICTION: Lorn won't reply cuz I pwned him so hard he has to go to perth to look for his dignity. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvhAEFbVnQRV3OEYRAu3sAJ0Td2avFYHnfD3M8W2q9whoGHwmwQCgv4zM olwNzOGIciOxPzwV8ndNf5Q= =P/PA -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Franky, This is not about agreeing or disagreeing, this is about Lorn's refusal to acknowledge that there are issues with his software. All he has to do is a) acknowledge that there are issues b) address the concerns I have raised, rather than commenting that my use of the word use-case does not fit his definition and c) stop the lying / idiocy he's currently demonstrating. You'll note that at no point have I ever said that QT Extended isn't the best software currently available for the FreeRunner - I will happily, clearly, and unequivacobly state that QT Extended *is* the best software currently available for the freerunner. However that doesn't mean it isn't shit. Personal attacks are merited, warranted, and infact neccessary when somebody starts lying and/or being monumentally stupid, which is exactly what Lorn has done today. Yes, Lorn was one of the major developers of QT Extended, and credit should be given where it's due: Lorn, as one of the major developers of what is currently the best piece of software available for the FreeRunner, I'd like to take this opportunity to say that you have written a buggy piece of shit. Congrats on that. - -Dale Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: To Dale (and in a lesser extent to Lorn): let's agree to disagree, shall we? Some like the predictive keyboard, some don't. There should be an easy way to disable the predictive part, for those that don't like it (or indeed the word you typed should always be the first suggested). But that aside: stop ranting please. I agree with you, Dale, that the keyboard needs work (well, it was my mail that started this all) but I also agree with Lorn that qtopia (the former name for qtextended) is by far the best distribution for the openmoko for now (no other even comes close to a pim, and qtextended imported all my contacts just nicely, with picture even). qtextended needs work, the keyboard needs work (in my opinion), etc ... we all now it :-) Personal attacks should be left aside here, Lorn was one of the major developpers of qtextended, and give credit where credit is due ... Franky On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.netwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: Quite actually, I was using the predictive keyboard long before anyone on this list was, so yes, I have done this. Many times. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvhJ3FbVnQRV3OEYRAn6FAKC1zLbAEs9rEcMTl8CJkol7fZDpgQCfQ8aF z9O4xrhu66kJCKnJwDHvRfA= =w4rD -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
Dale, you must have a problem not related to Qt Extended at all. Do you think someone is interested in your long and offensive mails that have nearly zero information? Don't you like the keyboard? Send a patch. If you have idea - write it down as short as it can be. If the idea's good someone will pick it up. Otherwise please stop spamming this list with this offensive nonsence. Thanks Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Radek, I'm just going to address this in quick dot points: you must have a problem not related to Qt Extended at all. My issue *is* with QT Extended. You suggesting that it is otherwise indicates that you haven't read my emails properly / thoroughly. I'd suggest you do that. Do you think someone is interested in your long and offensive mails * I'm not interested in whether people want to read my opinion of the software, or whether people take offense at it. What I am interested in is expressing my concerns including a description of the issues I'm seeing using the software. What I am *more* interested in is the developer trying to tell me that my problems are not actually problems, trying to pretend like his software is infallible and/or it's me at fault, when it is clearly and demonstrably the software which is at issue. that have nearly zero information? * My emails contain quite a lot of information, much of it highly detailed. I'd suggest you read through them in their entirety with detachment, rather than allowing their tone to feed your emotions and provoke a kneejerk reaction. Don't you like the keyboard? Send a patch. * Already addressed in my previous emails, try actually reading them to find out what I said about this. If you have idea - write it down as short as it can be. Yep, I did that, and Lorn proceeded to tell me that this was not a valid use case. Which is utter bullshit. If the idea's good someone will pick it up. At least two people have replied agreeing with the issue, but not the developer of the software. If you'd read my emails properly you'd most likely also agree. Otherwise please stop spamming this list with this offensive nonsence. 1. I'll stop when Lorn acknowledges that his software is not perfect, and apologises to me for effectively trying to tell me that the issues I and others have with the software do not matter, or are imaginary. 2. Re-read my emails, they contain no nonsence, and neither do they contain any nonsense. I'd suggest you actually read them as a thread, and you'll find that I have legitimate concerns, which Lorn refuses to acknowledge. 3. If you have a problem with this thread, filter it out. I'd suggest actually reading it in entirety before you do so, though. 4. Please feel free to participate constructively to this thread ONCE YOU HAVE ACTUALLY READ MY EMAILS. Regards, - -Dale -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJviKOFbVnQRV3OEYRAiVtAKCvg8WW/Wg+yXX2I9ewtZ4redtDQQCdGfUa usbvnWT0N69yGXU0moQSBVw= =w82z -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian package for pythm Was: [debian] Packaging python apps, f.e. pythm...
Great! d On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:35 AM, Yaroslav Halchenko site-openmoko.org@ onerussian.com wrote: as promised for those desired to run pythm on their Debian-powered FRs: http://itanix.rutgers.edu/rumba/dists/sid/perspect/binary-all/python/pythm_0.5.5+git20090315-1~pre1_all.debhttp://itanix.rutgers.edu/rumba/dists/sid/perspect/binary-all/python/pythm_0.5.5+git20090315-1%7Epre1_all.deb path to source dsc http://itanix.rutgers.edu/rumba/dists/sid/perspect/source/python/pythm_0.5.5+git20090315-1~pre1.dschttp://itanix.rutgers.edu/rumba/dists/sid/perspect/source/python/pythm_0.5.5+git20090315-1%7Epre1.dsc although it is also available from git repo http://github.com/yarikoptic/pythm/tree/debian n.b. I will see if I can get this package into pkg-fso repository so there would be no need to add yet another source if you want to track mine This version is the latest Dylan had + few of my modifications + little fix for it to run on Debian + debian packaging As soon as pkg-fso Debian team ships python-edbus (primary delay is the prerequisites in the NEW queue of Debian), I will ship pythm into Debian main (unstable or experimental depending where python-edbus ends up). Cheers! ;) On Fri, 13 Mar 2009, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: I want to let you know that I am going to package ITP: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-d...@lists.debian.org/msg621478.html and upload pythm into Debian main (probably later on this week... preliminary packaging is already done). It will be based on Dylan's and my fork of pythm (some changes from Paul TT were already absorbed). Sources are available from https://github.com/yarikoptic/pythm and debian packaging will appear in a debian branch out there in the foreseeable future ;) -- .-. =-- /v\ = Keep in touch// \\ (yoh@|www.)onerussian.com Yaroslav Halchenko /( )\ ICQ#: 60653192 Linux User^^-^^[17] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
How to record calls
Hi all, Someone has created a dictaphone application, but is it also possible to record directly from (within) the (SHR=FSO?) dailer? Use cases would be: 1) record received sound only 2) record transmitting sound only (dictaphone) 3) record conversation, both receiving and transmitting sound Would it be viable to add this functionality to dailer, then a dictaphone will be provided by dailer and an external dictaphone application would not be needed or the functionality could be shared. Secondly, what format would be desirable to record into? OGG? Thanks, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to record calls
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:13:32AM +0100, Pander wrote: Hi all, Someone has created a dictaphone application, but is it also possible to record directly from (within) the (SHR=FSO?) dailer? Use cases would be: 1) record received sound only 2) record transmitting sound only (dictaphone) 3) record conversation, both receiving and transmitting sound Would it be viable to add this functionality to dailer, then a dictaphone will be provided by dailer and an external dictaphone application would not be needed or the functionality could be shared. Secondly, what format would be desirable to record into? OGG? A free format is always good (remember de mp3 fiasco?), I would second recording in Ogg/Vorbis. Rui -- P'tang! Today is Setting Orange, the 2nd day of Discord in the YOLD 3175 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to record calls
Pander wrote: Hi all, Someone has created a dictaphone application, but is it also possible to record directly from (within) the (SHR=FSO?) dailer? I was under the impression that audio for calls bypasses the CPU and operating system entirely, going straight from the sound chip to the GSM chip; if this is the case then such a recording wouldn't be possible. Cheers, Mike. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On 16/03/2009, at 6:38 PM, Dale Maggee wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dale Maggee wrote: [snip BS] PREDICTION: Lorn won't reply cuz I pwned him so hard he has to go to perth to look for his dignity. I think your spell checker is failing, because you use nonsensical words and misspellings. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to record calls
I was under the impression that audio for calls bypasses the CPU and operating system entirely, going straight from the sound chip to the GSM chip; if this is the case then such a recording wouldn't be possible. That's true, but it should be possible to configure alsa mixer settings in such a way that the GSM audio is routed both to the speaker and to the ADC converter of the soundcard. It shouldn't be too hard, I guess you just need to study the mixer settings a bit: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/ALSA/doc/WM8753_control_diag.pdf Greets Richard Cheers, Mike. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 07:27:57PM +1100, Dale Maggee wrote: boot again, it been drying for a day, I'll leave it for a week and see what happens. If it fails to boot, I'm buying an iphone. Thanks for your support. It is clearly completely unacceptable to sidestep the issues and focus on semantics. burying your head in the sand doesn't make problems go away. It's funny but I think I'm one of few people who will actually get out of your mails what you are trying to get across, though you are clearly at the end of a major bout of frustration, which I can't blame you for :) You actually remind me of my father, that kind of wit and intellect makes him a rather good businessman (and very high paid one at a very large telco). I too don't understand why some devs aren't willing to take a completely presented and well constructed criticism, and admit that more could be done (or redone). I don't think that anyone who has replied has understood that prior to the use of colourful language, there was no acceptance of your criticism or your opinion. Luckily, this is more a qte thing within the OM world. All others have at least attempted to accomodate more useful features, or ways of implementing additional features. In some ways I'm tempted to think there was or is intent there. But that would be their prerogative I suppose, which then comes back to what is actually disclosed. That's bad news on the FR, although personally I wouldn't be too upset - you'll now be able to get a real, usable phone. And Personally I'd recommend blackberry's products over an iphone. Hah! you are my father! hehe ...besides him owning every incantation, I think it's actually a telco thing, they like their blackberries. And I wasn't upset, funnily enough, it wasn't like actually losing a phone, with the whole 5 contacts I bothered to store from the last flash. I would buy a blackberry but: 1). I couldn't tell my dad ever! 2). I'm a gamer and love my toys. Actually, 3). I can't help spending money on things that might do more than they are suppose to :) Some things turn out to do less, or other tasks entirely! ;) If you think he is wrong, it takes a simple email to ask the people and gain a consensus. Exactly. but we all know this isn't going to happen - how idiotic would you feel when the public survey agrees 98% to 2% that your input methods are absolute shit, especially after you've spent an afternoon defending your retarded position? If nothing, I've been having a good ol' chuckle, prolly cause my phone is dead, but it is good to see a passionate aussie on an open source maillinglist :) Doubt I'll be posting again on this list any time soon (but fingers crossed and hopefully I'm still welcome hehe). Take it easy mate. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to record calls
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:43:25AM +0100, Richard Kralovic wrote: I was under the impression that audio for calls bypasses the CPU and operating system entirely, going straight from the sound chip to the GSM chip; if this is the case then such a recording wouldn't be possible. That's true, but it should be possible to configure alsa mixer settings in such a way that the GSM audio is routed both to the speaker and to the ADC converter of the soundcard. It shouldn't be too hard, I guess you just need to study the mixer settings a bit: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/ALSA/doc/WM8753_control_diag.pdf And prevent suspend! On longer calls my openmoko suspends during the call. The call continues, of course, but the first time it happened I was pretty freaked out! :) Rui -- Today is Setting Orange, the 2nd day of Discord in the YOLD 3175 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
I had to chime in one more time. On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 08:40:03PM +1000, Lorn Potter wrote: On 16/03/2009, at 6:38 PM, Dale Maggee wrote: [snip BS] Dale may have been direct in his oppinion of you but he included everything you deemed constructive. PREDICTION: Lorn won't reply cuz I pwned him so hard he has to go to perth to look for his dignity. I think your spell checker is failing, because you use nonsensical words and misspellings. But the correct answer is: Dale, there _are_ concerns with the input method, they could definitely be better, but I'm not the one who will address your concerns (and nobody ever will?). Thank you for using QTE. BTW. I use mutt ... is there a spell checker? Never bothered looking :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On 16/03/2009, at 7:57 PM, Dale Maggee wrote: seeing using the software. What I am *more* interested in is the developer trying to tell me that my problems are not actually problems, trying to pretend like his software is infallible and/or it's me at fault, when it is clearly and demonstrably the software which is at issue. There is no 'the' developer. Qtopia was a project that had many developers. There were more than 30 developers of qtopia, not including the Qt part. Include that, and you near about 80. I am quite flattered that you think I was a major contributor to Qtopia. In reality, I was only a major developer for the Neo device configuration. that have nearly zero information? * My emails contain quite a lot of information, much of it highly detailed. I'd suggest you read through them in their entirety with detachment, rather than allowing their tone to feed your emotions and provoke a kneejerk reaction. Don't you like the keyboard? Send a patch. agreed. * Already addressed in my previous emails, try actually reading them to find out what I said about this. How can we when you just rant on and on and on? If you have idea - write it down as short as it can be. Yep, I did that, and Lorn proceeded to tell me that this was not a valid use case. Which is utter bullshit. That's fine if you do not like my opinion, but that doesn't make it invalid. You need to separate opinions from facts, because you seem to be getting them mixed up. If the idea's good someone will pick it up. At least two people have replied agreeing with the issue, but not the developer of the software. If you'd read my emails properly you'd most likely also agree. Otherwise please stop spamming this list with this offensive nonsence. 1. I'll stop when Lorn acknowledges that his software is not perfect, and apologises to me for effectively trying to tell me that the issues I and others have with the software do not matter, or are imaginary. For one, it isn't MY software, and I never said it didn't have issues. I have no reason to apologize. Show me where I stated your issues do not matter, or were imaginary? What I told you was a way to work with the software, as it is. You could have found that out yourself, it you would have read the help to see how it works. It is not that complicated, but you must know how it works to use it correctly. Like driving a car. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 How can we when you just rant on and on and on? It's easy: What you do is read the emails, and then address the concerns I raised. Things you shouldn't do include: Contradicting yourself, telling me about the virtues of features that don't work, and playing word-games with semantics while avoiding the actual issues. What I told you was a way to work with the software, as it is. You could have found that out yourself, it you would have read the help to see how it works. It is not that complicated, but you must know how it works to use it correctly. Like driving a car. Um, no. What you have told me is a) nothing I didn't already know b) inadequate to address the concerns I raised. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvjXdFbVnQRV3OEYRAjdwAJ9o6N49KUcH/x8sOMMIMsLXSMDPQwCbB6sL Zy6ko1OMupZCqNhBpEvaezQ= =u0x8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: date and GPS related questions
On Monday 16 March 2009, Daniel Willmann wrote: I think (not sure) that Qt Extended uses the time(zone) cellbroadcast messages which are broadcasted by some operators. Yeah, I think you're right, the code says: The TimeUpdate service monitors time and timezone data from sources such as the modem and updates the system time and timezone accordingly. I can't find where it actually polls the modem though. In Germany for example nobody sends these so the framework looks up the country code of the GSM cell we're logged in and changes the timezone according to the zone this country belongs to. This is problematic/inaccurate/annoying for countries that span different timezones like the USA, Russia, Australia Yup, and don't assume that all TZ's are 1 hour apart, Adelaide is 30 minutes different from here.. ;-) cheers, Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On 16/03/2009, at 6:21 PM, Dale Maggee wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: Quite actually, I was using the predictive keyboard long before anyone on this list was, so yes, I have done this. Many times. Quite actually??? Quite what? work on your english. So you've done it, many times... awesome... I note however that you didn't actually answer my question: How Long does it take? and now, how long does it take on your PC? How long did it take you to type up my sample sms on your FR running QTe? and why did you do that Many Times, as you claim? seems like wasted effort to me... Also, if you'd like to explain why I should CARE IN THE SLIGHTEST that you were using it long before anyone else, I'd love to hear it. because just perhaps I have an insight in how one is supposed to actually be using it. umm, yes. I can access the menu just fine with my finger. Options - Change Input Method. ok, fair enough, so you can do it in 2 clicks, which cycles input methods. Neat! Unfortunately, however, as is your usual, you've not really answered my question: I was interested in bringing up the list of input methods, not cycling through them. It should be 2 clicks to change from predictive to qwerty, and 2 to go back. You're advocating 2 clicks to get to the qwerty keyboard, and 7 clicks to get back. How efficient. The list of input methods was actually depreciated. What you are seeing is that someone didn't have the time or inspiration to remove that from the neo's theme. A use case is usually something that is very often used and repeatable for any user. Typing 'antidisestablishmentarianism' is hardly typical. So, you're going to squibble over semantics, rather than actually discussing the issues at hand? right. Sure sounds like you're interested in quality. In all the work I've ever done, I'd consider a worst-case-scenario to be a use case, and very worthy of concern. As far as I'm concerned, if you don't agree with that assessment, then that's a good explanation as to why your software is shit. No, but he will need to add those words to the common dictionary before they will show up in the list of words. To enter a word in the dictionary - simply press and hold the letters method. Are you saying that any word I type which isn't in the dictionary is automatically added? if this is the case then why is the word 'wot', which I use *all the time*, not in my dictionary? Where is 'antidisestablishmentarianism', which I typed earlier today? There are too many niche scenarios to target, so we targeted common, most used ones. ...and when someone brings up one you didn't target? Ignore it? stick your head in the sand? tell them that they're imagining it? This is a really great way to write shit software. News flash: Users don't care what your software is designed to do, or correction: _you_ don't care what the software was designed to do. Right, so you *are* saying that anything I type is added automatically... No, I didn't say that. So, you're telling me that if I accidentally misspell 'antidisestablishmentarianism', the misspelling will be added to the dictionary, and from now on it will *only* suggest the misspelt version, meaning that next time I am *forced* to type it letter-by-letter. wow, how awesome! I can't believe you failed to read the help for the input method. Actually I can. In fact, I can even edit those misspellings, but I will leave that as an endeavor for the reader. I think, however, that you're really just digging a big fucking hole for yourself, because 'antidisestablishmentarianism' is *NOT* in my dictionary, and neither are any of the intentional mis-spellings I've typed today (or, in fact, ever, as far as I can see). If I were you, I'd steer clear of espousing the virtues of FEATURES THAT DO NOT WORK - it just makes you sound even more stupid, really. well, it certainly works for me. [snip useless drivel] I am merely explaining to you the way it works. No, you're trying to minimise the impact of my concerns, and pretend that they're not valid. You're pretending like you haven't written shit software when you have. You're acting like a complete retard, posting what are either outright lies or uninformed bullshit. Either is unacceptable from the developer of a product. You're not even explaining the way it works, because IT DOESN'T WORK THE WAY YOU'RE SAYING. It does. You'll note that I never said I could do a better job, only that *you have done a shit job*. These are two completely different things... So, what's your point? You have absolutely no idea which parts of Qtopia I worked on, so you cannot say I have done a bad job, when in fact, I had no contact with this code. I suppose, 'those that cannot do, just complain and expect someone else to fix things for them'.
Re: [QtExtended] some things
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sarton, A *big* Thank You to you for actually bothering to take the time to read my emails in their entirety! I too don't understand why some devs aren't willing to take a completely presented and well constructed criticism, and admit that more could be done (or redone). I don't think that anyone who has replied has understood that prior to the use of colourful language, there was no acceptance of your criticism or your opinion. Luckily, this is more a qte thing within the OM world. All others have at least attempted to accomodate more useful features, or ways of implementing additional features. In some ways I'm tempted to think there was or is intent there. But that would be their prerogative I suppose, which then comes back to what is actually disclosed. Yeah, it's very strange. In my opinion, there's only really one explanation: Incompetence. Not necessarily incompetence in software development, more a general failure at a human level. To be able to do that, you'd have to not really care about the software you've written. Personally, I want the guys who wrote all the software I use to put in the same kind of dedication as I do into my projects - when a user comes to me with really weird requirements, I see it as a challenge! I immediately say to myself How can I accommodate that. This mentality of that's not a problem is ridiculous and as far as I'm concerned harmful. I've dealt with people who take the that's not a problem approach before, and I've seen their contracts come and go (and they *do* come and go - invariably they piss off their clients, and their contracts don't get renewed), and then I often get to redesign their projects with some sanity and care, and they work much better, and everyone is happy. Yeah, it actually occurred to me today to me that Trolltech seem to be doing their very best to get me to buy a Nokia... Strange, that... ;) A couple of days ago I was actually thinking Nokia. Now, I'll be getting a blackberry after today's little debacle, just in case. In fact, I might just point that out to somebody at Nokia's PR department: Congratulations: an employee of one of your subsiduaries has just ensured that I will never purchase another Nokia, and that I'll tell all my friends to steer clear of Nokia products from now on. Hah! you are my father! hehe ...besides him owning every incantation, I think it's actually a telco thing, they like their blackberries. hahaha... and you know what? I work at a telco... but I don't remember ever having kids! I deny everything! ;) I would buy a blackberry but: 1). I couldn't tell my dad ever! 2). I'm a gamer and love my toys. Actually, 3). I can't help spending money on things that might do more than they are suppose to :) Some things turn out to do less, or other tasks entirely! ;) hehe, well in that case, I guess an iphone is probably your best bet. My major issue with the iphone is their app store crap, and then there's the non-removable battery. Plus it's Apple. I'm not really into mobile gaming (I play my games on a 2.5m Projector screen!), so that's not an issue for me. although right now I'd choose Apple over Nokia! If nothing, I've been having a good ol' chuckle, prolly cause my phone is dead, but it is good to see a passionate aussie on an open source maillinglist :) Well I'm glad that *somebody* is reading my mails and actually getting them - facts, humor, vicious stabs, and all... Cheers, - -Dale -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvjyvFbVnQRV3OEYRAm4OAKCNI3czWr2u/KWaGI0VeuqqdSNlMQCgvx+8 e6dizZ+bWxnhTMt9Wsmf+Rc= =3H6k -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to record calls
Hello, I'd prefer speex-encoding. If you'd like to record voice, this codec is the most appropriate choice, I think. As I read throughout my search for an alternative to wav-recording, ogg encoding is quite slow. But I haven't tried out the performance of speex-encoding. Any experiences? Matthias Pander schrieb: Hi all, Someone has created a dictaphone application, but is it also possible to record directly from (within) the (SHR=FSO?) dailer? Use cases would be: 1) record received sound only 2) record transmitting sound only (dictaphone) 3) record conversation, both receiving and transmitting sound Would it be viable to add this functionality to dailer, then a dictaphone will be provided by dailer and an external dictaphone application would not be needed or the functionality could be shared. Secondly, what format would be desirable to record into? OGG? Thanks, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Usage improvements - power
On Sunday 15 March 2009, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: It's way simpler to change the respective oeventsd rule in rules.yaml. More effective too as it' s persistent. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to record calls
matthias felsche wrote: Hello, I'd prefer speex-encoding. If you'd like to record voice, this codec is the most appropriate choice, I think. As I read throughout my search for an alternative to wav-recording, ogg encoding is quite slow. But I haven't tried out the performance of speex-encoding. Any experiences? Nope but you can give it a try via: http://www.freenet.org.nz/python/pySpeex/ Matthias Pander schrieb: Hi all, Someone has created a dictaphone application, but is it also possible to record directly from (within) the (SHR=FSO?) dailer? Use cases would be: 1) record received sound only 2) record transmitting sound only (dictaphone) 3) record conversation, both receiving and transmitting sound Would it be viable to add this functionality to dailer, then a dictaphone will be provided by dailer and an external dictaphone application would not be needed or the functionality could be shared. Secondly, what format would be desirable to record into? OGG? Thanks, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thinking deeply about cofundos.org
David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: Dear colleges users , There are only about 25 distributors but we are are about thousands users, our support to those initiative we like is vital for them and now we can have the opportunity to request features with more than complains :) even an euro to demonstrate interest about a project or feature requested will help to make it real quicker than waiting for it and you will have the satisfaction to being part of the solution instead of only an spectator. Well... enough words for one post... I will be glad to receive your comments As a user I am happy to donate to a project (or feature) I'm interested to have. As a matter of fact, I'm convinced donations to Free Software, through Foundations, could be one of the best approaches to support FS development, if governments had laws allowing donations to be somehow deductible to taxes. But I have yet to see the FSF, FSFE, ONU, etc, to lobby for this concept. Regards, Fernando ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shr- install zhone
On Sunday 15 March 2009, Fernando Martins wrote: Robin Paulson wrote: However, while updating I get the error below, of a package missing. I don't know how these repositories are organised and I suspect my unstable (from January) is consulting an unstable repository for a recent unstable? Updated list of available packages in /var/lib/opkg/shr-armv4t Downloading http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk//om-gta02/Packages.gz Inflating http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk//om-gta02/Packages.gz Updated list of available packages in /var/lib/opkg/shr-om-gta02 Collected errors: * Failed to download http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4/Packages.gz, error 404 There is no package missing as there is no armv4 entry in the repository. There is an armv4 config in /etc/opkg/ which shouldn't be there, and has probably been removed in recent images, and it is that that causes the error. You can safely ignore it, or just delete the offending entry. Note that armv4t is required - one character makes all the difference! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to record calls
Nope but you can give it a try via: http://www.freenet.org.nz/python/pySpeex/ Well I tried to get this extension compiled, but it did not work since you need Pyrex for this. And I somehow didn't get it working after all. When I have the time I'll increase my C-abilities and try writing something using only the native libraries, not these python-wrappers. But any help preventing me from this step (i.e. compiling this stuff and delivering an ipk) would be much more preferred! ;-) Matthias ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: Nah, I'm not concerned with symantics, I'm all about software development. If it appears that in every single email I've sent this afternoon, I have dealt entirely with grammar, spelling, and choice of words, you're actually imagining it. Yep, that's the result of you hallucinating - I was actually talking software the whole time, and went over some really full-on technical issues. It was a productive afternoon. Anyone accusing me of focusing on the trivialities of the english language while somebody was attempting to engage me in a discussion of the software's shortcomings was also hallucinating. I'm not being evasive, I promise! Would I lie to you (more than 5 times in a single conversation)? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvlJXFbVnQRV3OEYRAusqAJoCqx++MQdey7zeUfwai4lElQxB2ACeMALC WCFFWd/Izuw67RcMrQSfjvM= =W/P+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Aah, the fun continues... because just perhaps I have an insight in how one is supposed to actually be using it. I think it's pretty clear at this point that the word insight is completely foreign to you. Wow, I have to give you credit - you certainly are good at completely ignoring damning evidence and not answering questions directly put to you multiple times. Ever considered a career in politics? You'd fit in really well there! How Long does it take to type your address on your freerunner, using the methods described...errr...three(?) emails ago? and now, how long does it take on your PC? How long did it take you to type up my sample sms on your FR running QTe? and why did you do that Many Times, as you claim? seems like wasted effort to me... The list of input methods was actually depreciated. What you are seeing is that someone didn't have the time or inspiration to remove that from the neo's theme. Translation from asshat to english: The software is shit. We couldn't be bothered doing it properly, and our test plans and use cases, which we value more highly than actual real-world scenarios, are a joke. Oh, and I'm still going to ignore all your concerns and refuse to answer the questions you've posed. correction: _you_ don't care what the software was designed to do. Again, you demonstrate your ignorance in a shining example of your inadequacy as a both a human being and a software developer. It's pretty obvious from this statement that you've never even bothered to speak with an end-user. Your correction is fundamentally flawed and incorrect, and my original statement remains valid. No, I didn't say that. You really are a shifty motherfucker, I'll give you that. I just absolutely love the oh, that's not what I said, without any explanation of what you actually *did* say, or addressing the concerns I raised. Brilliant. It's getting to be a recurring theme, though, what with you contradicting yourself in your previous email via the same mechanism. Maybe next time you should try something different, like... oh, I don't know... maybe... being honest? Addressing the issues I've raised? I know that's not your style, but maybe you could try it, just for something completely different? I can't believe you failed to read the help for the input method. Actually I can. In fact, I can even edit those misspellings, but I will leave that as an endeavor for the reader. So basically what you're saying is that an intuitive interface is optional, not really desirable because you know how to use it, and really just too much effort... [snip useless drivel] This useless drivel Lorn refers to is me demonstrating that Lorn is either lying or a complete retard. The fact that he refuses to even acknowledge this and attempted to trim it from all further correspondence indicates to me that it's malice, not stupidity. I'll restore this in the vain hope that perhaps he might address it, rather than ignore it as he has consistently done all afternoon: No one said to use the little qwerty keyboard with fingers. I BEG YOUR PARDON?!?!? Lorn Potter wrote at 12:41pm: Then you can easily switch to the qwerty keyboard. Lorn Potter wrote at 12:41pm: You can even use this with big fingers and hit in between letters and it will still work (suggestively) well. Now, we were discussing the predictive keyboard, and you told me that I could easily switch to the qwerty keyboard... which qwerty keyboard were you referring to, exactly, if not the little qwerty keyboard? There are only two: the predictive keyboard and the qwerty keyboard. Unless you're trying to tell me that there's a difference between 'keyboard' and 'docked keyboard'. I call bullshit. Lorn, you're either completely full of shit, or you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Due to the old adage never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity, I'll give you an opportunity to publicly apologise and explain exactly what the hell you're on about... the way it works, because IT DOESN'T WORK THE WAY YOU'RE SAYING. It does. No, it doesn't. You're either a liar or a fucking retard. I lean towards Liar. If you're a liar, you're *also* a fucking retard - when lying, the non-retard would come up with a *credible* lie, which you're not even bothering with... Or is it that you're just not clever enough? You have absolutely no idea which parts of Qtopia I worked on, so you cannot say I have done a bad job, when in fact, I had no contact with this code. I didn't say Bad, I said shit, which is worse than bad. and, Yeah, I can: Watch me: You've done a shit job. Regardless of any contact you may or may not have had with the code, or your contributions or lack thereof to qtopia, you have done a shit job. Firstly, where's the QTe release that was coming in December? why such inadequate communication? You've done a shit Job. Secondly, you've done an
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Lorn Potter lpot...@trolltech.com wrote: Unfortunately, however, as is your usual, you've not really answered my question: I was interested in bringing up the list of input methods, not cycling through them. It should be 2 clicks to change from predictive to qwerty, and 2 to go back. You're advocating 2 clicks to get to the qwerty keyboard, and 7 clicks to get back. How efficient. The list of input methods was actually depreciated. What you are seeing is that someone didn't have the time or inspiration to remove that from the neo's theme. Hi Lorn, now this is interesting ... do you know what it should've become then? Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, roguem...@roguewrt.org wrote: BTW. I use mutt ... is there a spell checker? Never bothered looking :) I use mutt as well, and have it configured to use vim as the editor, where you can have spell checking (and a ton of other features). [please let's not start a Emacs/Vim flamewar :)] --gera. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: deleting characters on raster's keyboard
On Sunday 15 March 2009, Robin Paulson wrote: ever since i've had my freerunner, i've had problems using raster's keyboard (the one with dictionary lookup). the biggest issues are the swipes for space and backspace - each time i try to do either of them, i generally unintentionally press a letter. deleting one character usually becomes very frustrating, selecting then trying to delete unwanted letters. i assume i'm doing something wrong - is there a technique for doing this well? it's intensely frustrating to use Possibly - it generally works for me, but I have a long history with resistive touchscreens. You need to keep enough pressure for it to be a continuous swipe rather than 2 or more events. The default layout has enough dead space at the sides to start the stroke in, which may help. Alternatively you could add a backspace key to the layout as there is in the terminal keyboard. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
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Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 07:28, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.net wrote: I haven't tried SHR yet, can't be bothered with the bullshit involved with backing up your phone, importing contacts, etc. Plus IIUC SHR is based on FSO, which still doesn't have any PIM except for contacts stored on the sim, and for me PIM is important. FSO has had PIM (opimd) since milestone5 (but disabled by default). SHR will use it in nearly future. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: deleting characters on raster's keyboard
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 14:53, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: Possibly - it generally works for me, but I have a long history with resistive touchscreens. You need to keep enough pressure for it to be a continuous swipe rather than 2 or more events. The default layout has enough dead space at the sides to start the stroke in, which may help. Alternatively you could add a backspace key to the layout as there is in the terminal keyboard. I don't have history with touchscreens, but it's working to me too. It's only about keeping enough pressure. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Johny Tenfinger wrote: I don't know what would you say, if I'll tell you that I'm programming on FreeRunner using qwerty keyboard and only with finger (for instance in train - PM module in shr-settings is from train and was written only with finger) ;) Is this in SHR? If so, maybe it's worth trying out. Programming on FR with finger only = Impressive! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvlz4FbVnQRV3OEYRAtz2AJ9ClmBTMHS6IkwCzAKCKad7G+6Z4gCeIWFk CLZcl3BAf0bI0fw6O3b2mx4= =OSNs -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: errors using mdbus commands
On Saturday 14 March 2009, Steve 'dillo Okay wrote: I'm having some problems with getting dbus GSM commands working from the command-line: r...@om-gta02: # mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/ freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device .GetInfo /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: GetInfo failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply r...@om-gta02: # mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/ freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.Ge tNetworkStatus /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: GetNetworkStatus failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply r...@om-gta02: # I'm running FSO 5: root§om-gta02:ß# uname -a Linux om-gta02 2.6.29-rc2 #1 PREEMPT Wed Feb 25 16:01:57 CET 2009 armv4tl unknown root§om-gta02:ß# From reading the mailing list archives and the Wiki, it's not entirely clear to me if this is an invocation error on my part or an actual bug. Do I have to allocate the GSM resource via org.freesmartphone.ousaged first ? It seems like I should be able to do a GSM.Device.GetInfo from the command-line based on what I've read so far. Have any of the object pathnames changed between FSO 3 and 5 ? The examples on the Wiki say they're for FSO 3. You can check http://docs.freesmartphone.org for the latest documentation as things do change from time to time. You can also use mdbus with fewer arguments to see what's available, the simplest being: mdbus -s The GSM resource does need to be active and the antenna power enabled for most GSM calls to work, but IIRC calls fail with a reasonably informative return code rather than a timeout if it isn't there. I have on occasion managed to get (bits of?) frameworkd to stop responding until I restart it, but never worked out how to do it repeatably. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko
Dear list, there is now an unofficial version of gvSIG Mobile for Openmoko: http://www.opkg.org/package_162.html http://planet.osgeo.org/ Regards, Juan Lucas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 15:06, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.net wrote: Is this in SHR? If so, maybe it's worth trying out. Yes, it's standard Illume keyboard. SHR is using that ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Script using dbus-send - not very reliable
Hi! I was using mdbus to request CPU and Display resources but it's too slow. So I decided to use dbus-send since it's very quick. Here my script: #!/bin/sh dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage /org/shr/ophonekitd/Usage org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage.RequestResource string:CPU It's also on: http://pastebin.com/m3563e31c The problem is that it does not work first time. I have to run the script twice to make it work. Same goes to other scripts that I modified from mdbus to dbus-send. Any ideas? Leonti ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Siglaunchd , dbus and scan the content of incomming SMS
Hi all I resend my last email about siglaunchd. Could anyone please help me ? The best would be to contact the author directly (Tom Haconen), but I have not found his email. Thanks in advance Kimaidou 2009/3/12 kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com Hi lists, I am using *siglaunchd* tool ( 1) . It is a great tool. I already set up some actions (2) wich improve a lot my openmoko usability (nb: the code is in italic in this email) I need your help to trigger the following actions : * Do an action when receiving a sms containing e.G mypasswd. For now, I tried *#on incomming SMS DISPLAY=:0.0 echo test /home/root/Scripts/message.txt=org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS;org.freesmartphone.ogsmd;/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device;IncomingMessage; * -- It does not react (no file created) + it lacks content reading * Store each phonenumber for each incomming call (just for testing). For now, I can do *#on incomming call from 00 DISPLAY=:0.0 echo $(date +%Y-%m-%d_%H-%M-%S) /home/root/Scripts/call.txt=org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call;org.freesmartphone.ogsmd;/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device;CallStatus;arg[1]=incoming * -- pbm here : I do not know how to put the phone number in my echo command. * Change profile from default to silent when the phone is for example face down on a table -- anyway to do this with dbus ? Well, I think this capacity of dbus is a huge space to conquer (for me). We are only limited by our imagination :D Openmoko is great ! Anyway, thanks in advance Kimaidou (1) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Siglaunchd (2) Here is my /home/root/.siglaunchd.conf (Caution, I am running SHR, last testing ) *#AUX moyen -- dialer DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/bin/openmoko-dialer=org.freesmartphone.Device.Input;org.freesmartphone.oeventsd;/org/freesmartphone/Device/Input;Event;arg[0]=AUX,arg[1]=released,arg[2]0, arg[2]2 #AUX long -- terminal DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/bin/vala-terminal=org.freesmartphone.Device.Input;org.freesmartphone.oeventsd;/org/freesmartphone/Device/Input;Event;arg[0]=AUX,arg[1]=released,arg[2]1 #POWER moyen -- shortom DISPLAY=:0.0 PYTHONPATH=/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/shortom shortom-bin=org.freesmartphone.Device.Input;org.freesmartphone.oeventsd;/org/freesmartphone/Device/Input;Event;arg[0]=POWER, arg[1]=released, arg[2]0, arg[2]2 #POWER long -- shr-settings DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/bin/shr-settings=org.freesmartphone.Device.Input;org.freesmartphone.oeventsd;/org/freesmartphone/Device/Input;Event;arg[0]=POWER, arg[1]=released, arg[2]1* ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thinking deeply about cofundos.org
As a matter of fact, I'm convinced donations to Free Software, through Foundations, could be one of the best approaches to support FS development, if governments had laws allowing donations to be somehow deductible to taxes. But I have yet to see the FSF, FSFE, ONU, etc, to lobby for this concept. AFAIK, the FSF is registered non-profit organization so that donations to the FSF are tax-deductible (but that only applies to the US, of course). Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Johny Tenfinger wrote: FSO has had PIM (opimd) since milestone5 (but disabled by default). SHR will use it in nearly future. O RLY?!? :D Awesome! So there's progress being made on that front at least, that's great to hear! SHR is sounding more and more like it's worth checking out! And the developers actually read emails in their entirety! ;) Any Idea how soon near future might be? (I know, it's probably hard to answer, but even a rough guess would be great... days? weeks? months?). Thanks for chipping in! This thread has now actually provided me with some useful info! :) - -Dale -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvmRVFbVnQRV3OEYRAu4ZAJ9DvaLYSnMsBASDmr4Q7KW0dsctGQCghPnL D5gkXXBZPxY3MJVCQDUe7DI= =1jKr -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Johny Tenfinger wrote: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 15:06, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.net wrote: Is this in SHR? If so, maybe it's worth trying out. Yes, it's standard Illume keyboard. SHR is using that ;) aah, excellent - that keyboard works quite well once you force it to always use the terminal keyboard, as Bill suggested earlier in this thread. Yup, 'Trying out SHR' just got added to my list of things to do. :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvmTgFbVnQRV3OEYRAi9BAJ0RVOfmln5WEe+hFAGVqp7qU47tygCfYITm DiptnRhM8dEjSuk1OdvWWYc= =XFej -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Siglaunchd , dbus and scan the content of incomming SMS
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:23 PM, kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all I resend my last email about siglaunchd. Could anyone please help me ? The best would be to contact the author directly (Tom Haconen), but I have not found his email. Thanks in advance Maybe you can find his email here: http://projects.openmoko.org/users/tomha/ ;-) gromez ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-Testing] Slow response when answering a call
W.Kenworthy wrote: I found this is mainly due to enlightenment using too much cpu - a workaround was posted a couple of weeks back. copy a desktop file from /usr/share/applications to /tmp, wait a few seconds and copy it back. Yes, I know it is black magic, but ... it works! Not nearly enough, unfortunately. This gets rid of some enlightenment cpu wasting, so yes - it responds somewhat quicker. But while 2-3s beats 8s, it is still not acceptable. What is so hard about cutting the ringtone in 0.1s or so? The latency must go. The pythm music player does much better, so this is clearly possible. The current phone app works, and that is good. But I am happy I don't get that many calls a day - the waiting is rather irritating. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR] Howto configure GPRS
Hi all, Many information is available on GPRS but the things I've tested scripts from the Wiki were probably outdated, or I used them wrongly because I was/am in the woods on debugging or tracing GPRS software. So, ... How can one configure GPRS on SHR (latest testing). I'm willing to make good and tested documentation for the Wiki if someone can tell me how to get started and what to do exactly plus describing how to test each step. Also, what will happen if you have network via usb, wifi and GPRS at the same time? Will SHR be able to cope with all that or do you as a user should avoid such a situation for now? In which order will the network connection be selected? Thanks, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qt extended stops receiving sms
Hi, I've been having a problem with QT Extended not receiving txt messages. Any suggestions? When I restart qtopia they seem to arrive, or if I boot into om 2008.12 they arrive. Regards Glen Ogilvie I had a similar problem with OM2008.12 installed on the uSD card. It was caused by file system fragmentation. If it is the same for you (I mean you use QText from uSD) try fsck. By Giacomo -- /_\ The ASCIIPer comunicare in modo riservato: \_/ Ribbon Campaign gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net \ X Against HTML--recv-keys 20611EAD /_\ Email! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Siglaunchd , dbus and scan the content of incomming SMS
or go to irc and aks it himself (TAsn) On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:41 PM, gromez gro...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:23 PM, kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all I resend my last email about siglaunchd. Could anyone please help me ? The best would be to contact the author directly (Tom Haconen), but I have not found his email. Thanks in advance Maybe you can find his email here: http://projects.openmoko.org/users/tomha/ ;-) gromez ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko
error on shr-testing: r...@om-gta02 ~/.mokometeo $ opkg install jamvm libswt3.4-gtk-java classpath-gtk classpath-awt gpsd http://downloads.thehumanjourney.net/gvsigmobile_0.1_armv4t.ipk Downloading http://downloads.thehumanjourney.net/gvsigmobile_0.1_armv4t.ipk Multiple replacers for gpsd, using first one (fso-gpsd) Package fso-gpsd is already installed in root. Installing gvsigmobile (0.1) to root... Multiple replacers for gpsd, using first one (fso-gpsd) Collected errors: * Cannot find package jamvm. * Cannot find package libswt3.4-gtk-java. * Cannot find package classpath-gtk. * Cannot find package classpath-awt. * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gvsigmobile: * jamvm * libswt3.4-gtk-java * classpath-gtk * classpath-awt * On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio jldoming...@prodevelop.es wrote: Dear list, there is now an unofficial version of gvSIG Mobile for Openmoko: http://www.opkg.org/package_162.html http://planet.osgeo.org/ Regards, Juan Lucas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.netwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Johny Tenfinger wrote: FSO has had PIM (opimd) since milestone5 (but disabled by default). SHR will use it in nearly future. O RLY?!? :D Awesome! So there's progress being made on that front at least, that's great to hear! SHR is sounding more and more like it's worth checking out! And the developers actually read emails in their entirety! ;) Any Idea how soon near future might be? (I know, it's probably hard to answer, but even a rough guess would be great... days? weeks? months?). Thanks for chipping in! This thread has now actually provided me with some useful info! :) - -Dale hehe :-) But anyway, SHR will use it in the near future, but so far, I haven't seen any commits in the git concerning this part. As long as pim is not in shr, I'll be sticking with qtextended ... Paroli also uses pim, but it disables everything else on the phone (you can just do the phone stuff, not reading docs, playing games, etc ...) So my top 3 distro list goes: 1) QtExtended, for fast response time and pim. Would be nice to see a good gps app integrated though, and a webbrowser that works :-) 2) SHR (but since there's no pim ...) 3) Paroli (if nothing else is there, I need the pim ...), and paroli is not yet ready for production use. Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko
We seem to have some issues with SHR, but it should install at least (I've been told that it does, although haven't tried myself). Have you added the Jalimo repos to your phone? https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Packages#OpenMoko If you did, I'm sure you also ran opkg update, but it's best just to check. Cheers, Joseph 2009/3/16 Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com: error on shr-testing: r...@om-gta02 ~/.mokometeo $ opkg install jamvm libswt3.4-gtk-java classpath-gtk classpath-awt gpsd http://downloads.thehumanjourney.net/gvsigmobile_0.1_armv4t.ipk Downloading http://downloads.thehumanjourney.net/gvsigmobile_0.1_armv4t.ipk Multiple replacers for gpsd, using first one (fso-gpsd) Package fso-gpsd is already installed in root. Installing gvsigmobile (0.1) to root... Multiple replacers for gpsd, using first one (fso-gpsd) Collected errors: * Cannot find package jamvm. * Cannot find package libswt3.4-gtk-java. * Cannot find package classpath-gtk. * Cannot find package classpath-awt. * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gvsigmobile: * jamvm * libswt3.4-gtk-java * classpath-gtk * classpath-awt * On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio jldoming...@prodevelop.es wrote: Dear list, there is now an unofficial version of gvSIG Mobile for Openmoko: http://www.opkg.org/package_162.html http://planet.osgeo.org/ Regards, Juan Lucas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko
All (except possibly jamvm?) are in fso-testing, or were on Friday. I don't know why it depends on jamvm rather than a list of alternative java providers. On Monday 16 March 2009, Yorick Moko wrote: error on shr-testing: r...@om-gta02 ~/.mokometeo $ opkg install jamvm libswt3.4-gtk-java classpath-gtk classpath-awt gpsd http://downloads.thehumanjourney.net/gvsigmobile_0.1_armv4t.ipk Downloading http://downloads.thehumanjourney.net/gvsigmobile_0.1_armv4t.ipk Multiple replacers for gpsd, using first one (fso-gpsd) Package fso-gpsd is already installed in root. Installing gvsigmobile (0.1) to root... Multiple replacers for gpsd, using first one (fso-gpsd) Collected errors: * Cannot find package jamvm. * Cannot find package libswt3.4-gtk-java. * Cannot find package classpath-gtk. * Cannot find package classpath-awt. * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gvsigmobile: * jamvm * libswt3.4-gtk-java * classpath-gtk * classpath-awt * On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio jldoming...@prodevelop.es wrote: Dear list, there is now an unofficial version of gvSIG Mobile for Openmoko: http://www.opkg.org/package_162.html http://planet.osgeo.org/ Regards, Juan Lucas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yorick Moko ha scritto: error on shr-testing: r...@om-gta02 ~/.mokometeo $ opkg install jamvm libswt3.4-gtk-java classpath-gtk classpath-awt gpsd http://downloads.thehumanjourney.net/gvsigmobile_0.1_armv4t.ipk Downloading http://downloads.thehumanjourney.net/gvsigmobile_0.1_armv4t.ipk Multiple replacers for gpsd, using first one (fso-gpsd) Package fso-gpsd is already installed in root. Installing gvsigmobile (0.1) to root... Multiple replacers for gpsd, using first one (fso-gpsd) Collected errors: * Cannot find package jamvm. * Cannot find package libswt3.4-gtk-java. * Cannot find package classpath-gtk. * Cannot find package classpath-awt. * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gvsigmobile: * jamvm * libswt3.4-gtk-java * classpath-gtk * classpath-awt * On SHR-testing it works for me: opkg --force-depends install http://downloads.thehumanjourney.net/gvsigmobile_0.1_armv4t.ipk After the installation, there's no icon on Illume desktop. If I try gvsig from terminal, it answers me not found. I've started it with the followin command (on one line): jamvm -Xmx40M -cp /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card I've found it in /usr/bin/gvsig. I want to give my public appreciation and thanks to GvSig mobile developer(s) and to Oxford Archaeologic for bringing us such beautiful app. I'm testing it on my shapefiles of Italian archaeologic sites (near Bari, to be precise). Thanks again :D - -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia Italia Member* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkm+acAACgkQRi2TsGSC4FaE/ACeIBPc8VAmyL1sa/4/mvBgZ/9U j5wAn2bH/FmiHohnwXpzJ8Fqe560QZLT =ttPT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko
On SHR-testing it works for me: Great to hear :) After the installation, there's no icon on Illume desktop. If I try gvsig from terminal, it answers me not found. The icon should appear, but seemingly doesn't :( restart your xserver and you will see the lovely gvSIG icon. Rebooting the phone does the same. After the installation, there's no icon on Illume desktop. If I try gvsig from terminal, it answers me not found. I don't know why it's not found if the file gvsig exists in /usr/bin - it works fine in OM2008.X - does SHR do something differently? Thanks for the feedback, Joseph 2009/3/16 Francesco de Virgilio fradev...@gmail.com: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yorick Moko ha scritto: error on shr-testing: r...@om-gta02 ~/.mokometeo $ opkg install jamvm libswt3.4-gtk-java classpath-gtk classpath-awt gpsd http://downloads.thehumanjourney.net/gvsigmobile_0.1_armv4t.ipk Downloading http://downloads.thehumanjourney.net/gvsigmobile_0.1_armv4t.ipk Multiple replacers for gpsd, using first one (fso-gpsd) Package fso-gpsd is already installed in root. Installing gvsigmobile (0.1) to root... Multiple replacers for gpsd, using first one (fso-gpsd) Collected errors: * Cannot find package jamvm. * Cannot find package libswt3.4-gtk-java. * Cannot find package classpath-gtk. * Cannot find package classpath-awt. * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gvsigmobile: * jamvm * libswt3.4-gtk-java * classpath-gtk * classpath-awt * On SHR-testing it works for me: opkg --force-depends install http://downloads.thehumanjourney.net/gvsigmobile_0.1_armv4t.ipk After the installation, there's no icon on Illume desktop. If I try gvsig from terminal, it answers me not found. I've started it with the followin command (on one line): jamvm -Xmx40M -cp /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card I've found it in /usr/bin/gvsig. I want to give my public appreciation and thanks to GvSig mobile developer(s) and to Oxford Archaeologic for bringing us such beautiful app. I'm testing it on my shapefiles of Italian archaeologic sites (near Bari, to be precise). Thanks again :D - -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia Italia Member* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkm+acAACgkQRi2TsGSC4FaE/ACeIBPc8VAmyL1sa/4/mvBgZ/9U j5wAn2bH/FmiHohnwXpzJ8Fqe560QZLT =ttPT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Monday 16 March 2009, Dale Maggee wrote: Johny Tenfinger wrote: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 15:06, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.net wrote: Is this in SHR? If so, maybe it's worth trying out. Yes, it's standard Illume keyboard. SHR is using that ;) aah, excellent - that keyboard works quite well once you force it to always use the terminal keyboard, as Bill suggested earlier in this thread. The 'corrective' part also works really well once you know how it works, and the more you use it the better it gets because it picks up your words and their usage frequency. It always offers exactly what you entered too. It's not perfect, but it's better than anything else I've used onscreen for ordinary text. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Script using dbus-send - not very reliable
Leonti Bielski prishe...@gmail.com writes: The problem is that it does not work first time. I have to run the Does not work? I don't think you can request resources with dbus-send. The moment you exit() it will release the resource. -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian package for pythm Was: [debian] Packaging python apps, f.e. pythm...
Am Monday 16 March 2009 03:35:40 schrieb Yaroslav Halchenko: n.b. I will see if I can get this package into pkg-fso repository so there would be no need to add yet another source if you want to track mine This would be nice since I think it's not useful to spread packages over hundreds of tiny repositories instead of collecting all of them in one big (pkg-fso for example). To achieve this the requirements to get into pkg-fso shouldn't be too demanding imho. An open repository like opkg.org but accessible directly from apt would be ideal. Thoughts? -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian package for pythm Was: [debian] Packaging python apps, f.e. pythm...
Marcel tan...@googlemail.com writes: (pkg-fso for example). To achieve this the requirements to get into pkg-fso shouldn't be too demanding imho. I thought pkg-fso was a temporary repository for packages that are aiming to enter debian. I would be surprised if I got some low-quality stuff from there. An open repository like opkg.org but accessible directly from apt would be ideal. I'm afraid that'd have very low quality :-( ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Script using dbus-send - not very reliable
On Monday 16 March 2009, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Leonti Bielski prishe...@gmail.com writes: The problem is that it does not work first time. I have to run the Does not work? I don't think you can request resources with dbus-send. The moment you exit() it will release the resource. That's true of ousaged, but ophonekitd is providing a script-friendly intermediary with a similar syntax. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joseph Reeves ha scritto: On SHR-testing it works for me: Great to hear :) Yeah :) After the installation, there's no icon on Illume desktop. If I try gvsig from terminal, it answers me not found. The icon should appear, but seemingly doesn't :( restart your xserver and you will see the lovely gvSIG icon. Rebooting the phone does the same. After restarting xserver, it appears :) After the installation, there's no icon on Illume desktop. If I try gvsig from terminal, it answers me not found. I don't know why it's not found if the file gvsig exists in /usr/bin - it works fine in OM2008.X - does SHR do something differently? I don't know. Another question: I'm trying to load a shp file of an archaeological site. Which is the recommended dimension for shp + shx + dbf files? With a sum of 7 Mb it seems a bit slow :) Thanks for the feedback, Thanks for the app :D Joseph - -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia Italia Member* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkm+d7IACgkQRi2TsGSC4FbXNwCfZsepNaLWeY4h/scovqeopSf3 kKYAnAxG4nZwUDcyIFmBRax+xxQznO9q =41QU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian package for pythm Was: [debian] Packaging python apps, f.e. pythm...
Am Monday 16 March 2009 16:51:24 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: Marcel tan...@googlemail.com writes: (pkg-fso for example). To achieve this the requirements to get into pkg-fso shouldn't be too demanding imho. I thought pkg-fso was a temporary repository for packages that are aiming to enter debian. I would be surprised if I got some low-quality stuff from there. An open repository like opkg.org but accessible directly from apt would be ideal. I'm afraid that'd have very low quality :-( Package quality is an issue indeed, but I'd prefer an open repository (does that term already exist?) over packages spread all over the web even if quality suffers from that. One could improve packages later on and then include them into pkg-fso/debian. If people get to know their future favourite software by finding it on $repo and then go and improve the package so that it can be included in debian, that would be the way I'd go... (Which implies people knowing that $repo isn't the final place to go.) -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Script using dbus-send - not very reliable
Yeap, I'm using ophonekitd thing. But this is not strictly about requesting resources. Another example - script to turn gprs on. It works with mdbus for the first time. With dbus-send I have to run it twice. Leonti On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: On Monday 16 March 2009, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Leonti Bielski prishe...@gmail.com writes: The problem is that it does not work first time. I have to run the Does not work? I don't think you can request resources with dbus-send. The moment you exit() it will release the resource. That's true of ousaged, but ophonekitd is providing a script-friendly intermediary with a similar syntax. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko
Juan Lucas could answer this better than I can, but Jamvm was chosen as our current favourite java implementation. Of course, you can always install any java you'd like and change /usr/bin/gvsig to run java -Xmx40M -cp /u... rather than jamvm -Xmx40M -cp /u... It works with cacao, for example, just fine; it is noticeably slower, however, and is far from perfect. I don't know if this would help the SHR folks - testers would be appreciated :) Cheers, Joseph 2009/3/16 Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk: All (except possibly jamvm?) are in fso-testing, or were on Friday. I don't know why it depends on jamvm rather than a list of alternative java providers. On Monday 16 March 2009, Yorick Moko wrote: error on shr-testing: r...@om-gta02 ~/.mokometeo $ opkg install jamvm libswt3.4-gtk-java classpath-gtk classpath-awt gpsd http://downloads.thehumanjourney.net/gvsigmobile_0.1_armv4t.ipk Downloading http://downloads.thehumanjourney.net/gvsigmobile_0.1_armv4t.ipk Multiple replacers for gpsd, using first one (fso-gpsd) Package fso-gpsd is already installed in root. Installing gvsigmobile (0.1) to root... Multiple replacers for gpsd, using first one (fso-gpsd) Collected errors: * Cannot find package jamvm. * Cannot find package libswt3.4-gtk-java. * Cannot find package classpath-gtk. * Cannot find package classpath-awt. * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gvsigmobile: * jamvm * libswt3.4-gtk-java * classpath-gtk * classpath-awt * On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio jldoming...@prodevelop.es wrote: Dear list, there is now an unofficial version of gvSIG Mobile for Openmoko: http://www.opkg.org/package_162.html http://planet.osgeo.org/ Regards, Juan Lucas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian package for pythm Was: [debian] Packaging python apps, f.e. pythm...
I believe that's a nice idea to converge our efforts in having something really usable/complete soon. IMHO the path open repo-improvement of packs-pkg-fso should be efficace. d On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Marcel tan...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Monday 16 March 2009 16:51:24 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: Marcel tan...@googlemail.com writes: (pkg-fso for example). To achieve this the requirements to get into pkg-fso shouldn't be too demanding imho. I thought pkg-fso was a temporary repository for packages that are aiming to enter debian. I would be surprised if I got some low-quality stuff from there. An open repository like opkg.org but accessible directly from apt would be ideal. I'm afraid that'd have very low quality :-( Package quality is an issue indeed, but I'd prefer an open repository (does that term already exist?) over packages spread all over the web even if quality suffers from that. One could improve packages later on and then include them into pkg-fso/debian. If people get to know their future favourite software by finding it on $repo and then go and improve the package so that it can be included in debian, that would be the way I'd go... (Which implies people knowing that $repo isn't the final place to go.) -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko
Hi all Thanks to the command line (one line) Francesco da Virgilo gaves in his email : r...@om-gta02 ~ $ jamvm -Xmx40M -cp /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card I am able to run it on SHR too. This is a great step for mobile GIS solutions ! Thanks to the developpers ! Kimaidou ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Howto configure GPRS
Hi pander, First, you need to load the ppp modules echo ppp-generic /etc/modutils/ppp-generic update-modules For me the easiest way to connect and disconnect to my GPRS provider ( mmsbouygtel.com) is to load theses scripts using dbus commands: To connect (you must chmod +x the script, and replace mygprs_address by yours, e.g mmsbouygtel.com for me; the x x at the end must be replaced by login password if you need them.) #!/bin/sh mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.ActivateContext mygprs_address x x To disconnect, just use (after chmod +x ) #!/bin/sh #gprsoff mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.DeactivateContext 2009/3/16 Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net Hi all, Many information is available on GPRS but the things I've tested scripts from the Wiki were probably outdated, or I used them wrongly because I was/am in the woods on debugging or tracing GPRS software. So, ... How can one configure GPRS on SHR (latest testing). I'm willing to make good and tested documentation for the Wiki if someone can tell me how to get started and what to do exactly plus describing how to test each step. Also, what will happen if you have network via usb, wifi and GPRS at the same time? Will SHR be able to cope with all that or do you as a user should avoid such a situation for now? In which order will the network connection be selected? Thanks, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR] Launching applications
As per the recent gvSIG Mobile thread: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2486265|a2486543 Why does SHR fail to find the application gvsig when the file exists as: /usr/bin/gvsig ? The application can be run with: jamvm -Xmx40M -cp /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card but this doesn't work if executed from the script /usr/bin/gvsig - why is this? What do I need to do to allow execution by pressing the icon in SHR? Thanks, Joseph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko
Hello, the initial loading time depends on the sum of SHP + DBF + SHX. After that, the drawing time depends on how many vertices and pixels are painted on the screen (it you zoom in, it's faster, of course). You will start losing your patience if the SHP is greater than 500 KB. There's a lot of work to be done to improve the graphic performance. Regards, Juan Lucas De: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org en nombre de Francesco de Virgilio Enviado el: lun 16/03/2009 17:00 Para: List for Openmoko community discussion Asunto: Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joseph Reeves ha scritto: On SHR-testing it works for me: Great to hear :) Yeah :) After the installation, there's no icon on Illume desktop. If I try gvsig from terminal, it answers me not found. The icon should appear, but seemingly doesn't :( restart your xserver and you will see the lovely gvSIG icon. Rebooting the phone does the same. After restarting xserver, it appears :) After the installation, there's no icon on Illume desktop. If I try gvsig from terminal, it answers me not found. I don't know why it's not found if the file gvsig exists in /usr/bin - it works fine in OM2008.X - does SHR do something differently? I don't know. Another question: I'm trying to load a shp file of an archaeological site. Which is the recommended dimension for shp + shx + dbf files? With a sum of 7 Mb it seems a bit slow :) Thanks for the feedback, Thanks for the app :D Joseph - -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia Italia Member* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org http://fradeve.netsons.org/ Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkm+d7IACgkQRi2TsGSC4FbXNwCfZsepNaLWeY4h/scovqeopSf3 kKYAnAxG4nZwUDcyIFmBRax+xxQznO9q =41QU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko
Great news :) SHR users just have to remember to start gpsd if you want to see where you are - that's what /usr/bin/gvsig does on OM2008.x distributions, but that doesn't seem to be working for you SHR people :( Cheers, Joseph 2009/3/16 kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com: Hi all Thanks to the command line (one line) Francesco da Virgilo gaves in his email : r...@om-gta02 ~ $ jamvm -Xmx40M -cp /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card I am able to run it on SHR too. This is a great step for mobile GIS solutions ! Thanks to the developpers ! Kimaidou ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian package for pythm Was: [debian] Packaging python apps, f.e. pythm...
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: (pkg-fso for example). To achieve this the requirements to get into pkg-fso shouldn't be too demanding imho. I thought pkg-fso was a temporary repository for packages that are aiming to enter debian. I would be surprised if I got some low-quality stuff from there. and I aim to ship pythm into Debian as soon as all dependencies are available (python-edbus is the one and it is to be provided by pkg-fso team) in the Debian main Debian package is already almost complete imho (just missing manpage and need a correct xpm icon for menu). Not sure what additional steps I need to do to make the package 'high quality' ;) -- .-. =-- /v\ = Keep in touch// \\ (yoh@|www.)onerussian.com Yaroslav Halchenko /( )\ ICQ#: 60653192 Linux User^^-^^[17] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko
Yes, sorry, I read about that only yesterday. I think the first line in the gvsig.sh (restarting the Gpsd) is probably unnecessary in all cases. Regards, Juan Lucas De: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org en nombre de kimaidou Enviado el: lun 16/03/2009 17:32 Para: List for Openmoko community discussion Asunto: Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko Normallu on last SHR testing, the gpsd is automatically started for every application using it. It is so with tangogps for example. 2009/3/16 Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.com Great news :) SHR users just have to remember to start gpsd if you want to see where you are - that's what /usr/bin/gvsig does on OM2008.x distributions, but that doesn't seem to be working for you SHR people :( Cheers, Joseph 2009/3/16 kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com: Hi all Thanks to the command line (one line) Francesco da Virgilo gaves in his email : r...@om-gta02 ~ $ jamvm -Xmx40M -cp /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card I am able to run it on SHR too. This is a great step for mobile GIS solutions ! Thanks to the developpers ! Kimaidou ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko
Ok, that's cool. Does this help SHR users? Does editing /usr/share/applications/gvsig.desktop to execute the command as found by Francesco instead of simply gvsig work? Cheers, Joseph 2009/3/16 Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio jldoming...@prodevelop.es: Yes, sorry, I read about that only yesterday. I think the first line in the gvsig.sh (restarting the Gpsd) is probably unnecessary in all cases. Regards, Juan Lucas De: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org en nombre de kimaidou Enviado el: lun 16/03/2009 17:32 Para: List for Openmoko community discussion Asunto: Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko Normallu on last SHR testing, the gpsd is automatically started for every application using it. It is so with tangogps for example. 2009/3/16 Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.com Great news :) SHR users just have to remember to start gpsd if you want to see where you are - that's what /usr/bin/gvsig does on OM2008.x distributions, but that doesn't seem to be working for you SHR people :( Cheers, Joseph 2009/3/16 kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com: Hi all Thanks to the command line (one line) Francesco da Virgilo gaves in his email : r...@om-gta02 ~ $ jamvm -Xmx40M -cp /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card I am able to run it on SHR too. This is a great step for mobile GIS solutions ! Thanks to the developpers ! Kimaidou ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko
still nobody getting (on shr-testing) the following error? r...@om-gta02 /etc/init.d $ DISPLAY=:0 gvsig Stopping freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: stopped process in pidfile '/var/run/fso-gpsd.pid' (pid 1442) (done) Starting freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: (ok) Exception occurred while VM initialising. java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Class using the terminal command I found in these e-mails i also get the same error: r...@om-gta02 ~ $ jamvm -Xmx40M -cp /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card Exception occurred while VM initialising. java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Class y On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio jldoming...@prodevelop.es wrote: Yes, sorry, I read about that only yesterday. I think the first line in the gvsig.sh (restarting the Gpsd) is probably unnecessary in all cases. Regards, Juan Lucas De: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org en nombre de kimaidou Enviado el: lun 16/03/2009 17:32 Para: List for Openmoko community discussion Asunto: Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko Normallu on last SHR testing, the gpsd is automatically started for every application using it. It is so with tangogps for example. 2009/3/16 Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.com Great news :) SHR users just have to remember to start gpsd if you want to see where you are - that's what /usr/bin/gvsig does on OM2008.x distributions, but that doesn't seem to be working for you SHR people :( Cheers, Joseph 2009/3/16 kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com: Hi all Thanks to the command line (one line) Francesco da Virgilo gaves in his email : r...@om-gta02 ~ $ jamvm -Xmx40M -cp /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card I am able to run it on SHR too. This is a great step for mobile GIS solutions ! Thanks to the developpers ! Kimaidou ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko
Juan Lucas mentioned to me off-list that your jamvm install might be broken for some reason. Can you opkg install cacao and edit the command to run java rather than jamvm That should work fine. If it does, perhaps try reinstalling jamvm? It'll work with Cacao, but it seems to be better with Jam. Thanks, Joseph 2009/3/16 Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com: still nobody getting (on shr-testing) the following error? r...@om-gta02 /etc/init.d $ DISPLAY=:0 gvsig Stopping freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: stopped process in pidfile '/var/run/fso-gpsd.pid' (pid 1442) (done) Starting freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: (ok) Exception occurred while VM initialising. java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Class using the terminal command I found in these e-mails i also get the same error: r...@om-gta02 ~ $ jamvm -Xmx40M -cp /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card Exception occurred while VM initialising. java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Class y On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio jldoming...@prodevelop.es wrote: Yes, sorry, I read about that only yesterday. I think the first line in the gvsig.sh (restarting the Gpsd) is probably unnecessary in all cases. Regards, Juan Lucas De: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org en nombre de kimaidou Enviado el: lun 16/03/2009 17:32 Para: List for Openmoko community discussion Asunto: Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko Normallu on last SHR testing, the gpsd is automatically started for every application using it. It is so with tangogps for example. 2009/3/16 Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.com Great news :) SHR users just have to remember to start gpsd if you want to see where you are - that's what /usr/bin/gvsig does on OM2008.x distributions, but that doesn't seem to be working for you SHR people :( Cheers, Joseph 2009/3/16 kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com: Hi all Thanks to the command line (one line) Francesco da Virgilo gaves in his email : r...@om-gta02 ~ $ jamvm -Xmx40M -cp /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card I am able to run it on SHR too. This is a great step for mobile GIS solutions ! Thanks to the developpers ! Kimaidou ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Hardware mumble
Q1: What's the status of revised and improved OpenMoko hardware? Back in the day there was talk of GTA03 intended to be a modest refresh incorporating better radio that supports Edge, better GPS, a camera and a redesigned case. Not sure if GTA03 will support a second, externally accessible SD card slot, but one can only dream. It's mid-March 2009. If GTA03 is not ready for alpha test fairly soon, one wonders whether this promising OpenSourec Hardware and Software project may have (unfortunately!) failed to achieve critical mass. I hope not. Q2: (may be contentious) GTA03 is nice, but is incremental. One can easily imagine that OpenMoko team can design and bring to life a MUCH more interesting next mobile device, even given the (severe!) constraints of the unique underlying every bit must be open that puts a LOT of very attractive technology out of bounds. . --- Ron K. Jeffries http://blog.eronj.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko
Hello, Yorick, You can also try cacao: opkg install cacao then: cacao -Xmx40M -cp /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card Regsrd, Juan Lucas De: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org en nombre de Yorick Moko Enviado el: lun 16/03/2009 17:45 Para: List for Openmoko community discussion Asunto: Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko still nobody getting (on shr-testing) the following error? r...@om-gta02 /etc/init.d $ DISPLAY=:0 gvsig Stopping freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: stopped process in pidfile '/var/run/fso-gpsd.pid' (pid 1442) (done) Starting freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: (ok) Exception occurred while VM initialising. java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Class using the terminal command I found in these e-mails i also get the same error: r...@om-gta02 ~ $ jamvm -Xmx40M -cp /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card Exception occurred while VM initialising. java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Class y On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio jldoming...@prodevelop.es wrote: Yes, sorry, I read about that only yesterday. I think the first line in the gvsig.sh (restarting the Gpsd) is probably unnecessary in all cases. Regards, Juan Lucas De: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org en nombre de kimaidou Enviado el: lun 16/03/2009 17:32 Para: List for Openmoko community discussion Asunto: Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko Normallu on last SHR testing, the gpsd is automatically started for every application using it. It is so with tangogps for example. 2009/3/16 Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.com Great news :) SHR users just have to remember to start gpsd if you want to see where you are - that's what /usr/bin/gvsig does on OM2008.x distributions, but that doesn't seem to be working for you SHR people :( Cheers, Joseph 2009/3/16 kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com: Hi all Thanks to the command line (one line) Francesco da Virgilo gaves in his email : r...@om-gta02 ~ $ jamvm -Xmx40M -cp /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card I am able to run it on SHR too. This is a great step for mobile GIS solutions ! Thanks to the developpers ! Kimaidou ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hardware mumble
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Ron K. Jeffries rjeffr...@gmail.com wrote: Q1: What's the status of revised and improved OpenMoko hardware? Back in the day there was talk of GTA03 intended to be a modest refresh incorporating better radio that supports Edge, better GPS, a camera and a redesigned case. Not sure if GTA03 will support a second, externally accessible SD card slot, but one can only dream. A1:http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03 Q2: (may be contentious) GTA03 is nice, but is incremental. One can easily imagine that OpenMoko team can design and bring to life a MUCH more interesting next mobile device, even given the (severe!) constraints of the unique underlying every bit must be open that puts a LOT of very attractive technology out of bounds. A2: oh.. sorry, I must have missed the question here..? r ps. Detailed specs of GTA03 are unknown. -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko
thanks for your help, but i get: r...@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install cacao -force-depends Installing cacao (0.99.3-r5.1) to root... Downloading http://jalimo.evolvis.org/repository/openmoko/armv4t/cacao_0.99.3-r5.1_armv4t.ipk Installing classpath (0.97.2-r8.1) to root... Downloading http://jalimo.evolvis.org/repository/openmoko/armv4t/classpath_0.97.2-r8.1_armv4t.ipk Installing classpath-common (0.97.2-r8.1) to root... Downloading http://jalimo.evolvis.org/repository/openmoko/armv4t/classpath-common_0.97.2-r8.1_armv4t.ipk Configuring cacao update-alternatives: Linking //usr/bin/java to /usr/bin/cacao Configuring classpath Configuring classpath-common Collected errors: * Warning: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for cacao: * libgcc-s1 (= 4.1.2) * libgcc-s1 (= 4.1.2) * r...@om-gta02 ~ $ cacao -Xmx40M -cp /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/car Absurd stack bottom value Aborted btw: r...@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg list_installed |grep libgcc libgcc1 - 4.1.2-r19 - On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio jldoming...@prodevelop.es wrote: Hello, Yorick, You can also try cacao: opkg install cacao then: cacao -Xmx40M -cp /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card Regsrd, Juan Lucas De: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org en nombre de Yorick Moko Enviado el: lun 16/03/2009 17:45 Para: List for Openmoko community discussion Asunto: Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko still nobody getting (on shr-testing) the following error? r...@om-gta02 /etc/init.d $ DISPLAY=:0 gvsig Stopping freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: stopped process in pidfile '/var/run/fso-gpsd.pid' (pid 1442) (done) Starting freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: (ok) Exception occurred while VM initialising. java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Class using the terminal command I found in these e-mails i also get the same error: r...@om-gta02 ~ $ jamvm -Xmx40M -cp /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card Exception occurred while VM initialising. java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Class y On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio jldoming...@prodevelop.es wrote: Yes, sorry, I read about that only yesterday. I think the first line in the gvsig.sh (restarting the Gpsd) is probably unnecessary in all cases. Regards, Juan Lucas De: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org en nombre de kimaidou Enviado el: lun 16/03/2009 17:32 Para: List for Openmoko community discussion Asunto: Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko Normallu on last SHR testing, the gpsd is automatically started for every application using it. It is so with tangogps for example. 2009/3/16 Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.com Great news :) SHR users just have to remember to start gpsd if you want to see where you are - that's what /usr/bin/gvsig does on OM2008.x distributions, but that doesn't seem to be working for you SHR people :( Cheers, Joseph 2009/3/16 kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com: Hi all Thanks to the command line (one line) Francesco da Virgilo gaves in his email : r...@om-gta02 ~ $ jamvm -Xmx40M -cp /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card I am able to run it on SHR too. This is a great step for mobile GIS solutions ! Thanks to the developpers ! Kimaidou ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Updated zenity package ?
Hi list I need some help about zenity. I use it for my small application voicenote (1), and for now I told people to use this package: opkg install http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/zenity_2.20.1-r0_armv4t.ipk wich is too old : I get some errors when installing voicenote under last SHR testing: r...@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/a rmv4t/zenity_2.20.1-r0_armv4t.ipk alsa-utils-aplay http://www.opkg.org/packages/ voicenote_0.4_arm.ipk Downloading http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/zenity_2.20.1-r0_armv4t.ipk Downloading http://www.opkg.org/packages/voicenote_0.4_arm.ipk Installing zenity (2.20.1-r0) to root... Package alsa-utils-aplay (1.0.15-r1) installed in root is up to date. Installing voicenote (0.4) to root... Installing zenity (2.20.1-r0) to root... Configuring voicenote Configuring zenity Collected errors: * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for zenity: * libgnomecanvas-2-0 * libgnomecanvas-2-0 (= 2.20.0) * gtk+-fastscaling (= 2.10.14) * libnotify (= 0.4.4) * Does someone knows where I can find a newer package for zenity ? Can someone build it please ? Is it just a SHR problem, or does this error also occur on Om distributions ? Thanks in advance Kimaidou ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shr- install zhone
Al Johnson wrote: There is no package missing as there is no armv4 entry in the repository. There is an armv4 config in /etc/opkg/ which shouldn't be there, and has probably been removed in recent images, and it is that that causes the error. You can safely ignore it, or just delete the offending entry. Note that armv4t is required - one character makes all the difference! Thanks, the update is complete but zhone is not in the list. Am I correct in assuming that zhone is not available for shr? Fernando ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Launching applications
On Monday 16 March 2009, Joseph Reeves wrote: As per the recent gvSIG Mobile thread: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2486265|a2486543 Why does SHR fail to find the application gvsig when the file exists as: /usr/bin/gvsig ? The application can be run with: jamvm -Xmx40M -cp /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card but this doesn't work if executed from the script /usr/bin/gvsig - why is this? What do I need to do to allow execution by pressing the icon in SHR? The problem isn't that command, but the shell you're specifying at the start of the script. Change from #!/bin/bash to #!/bin/sh and it works just fine. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Launching applications
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:27:02 + Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.com wrote: As per the recent gvSIG Mobile thread: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2486265|a2486543 Why does SHR fail to find the application gvsig when the file exists as: /usr/bin/gvsig ? The application can be run with: jamvm -Xmx40M -cp /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card but this doesn't work if executed from the script /usr/bin/gvsig - why is this? What do I need to do to allow execution by pressing the icon in SHR? Thanks, Joseph Presuming that the icon is visible but just not working, my guess would be that you need to include explicit path to everything within the script, IE the java VM... Logged in via terminal or SSH you will have $PATH defined, when triggering scripts from GUI or automation $PATH may not be defined. j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko
Hello Yorick. I understand then that your phone is not Java-enabled right now? Can you copy the attached 'go.jar' to your phone and type from the same folder: jamvm -cp ./go.jar org.test.go This what I get: r...@om-gta02:~# jamvm -cp ./go.jar org.test.go Hello class: java.lang.Class r...@om-gta02:~# What do you get? Regards, Juan Lucas Domínguez Rubio --- Prodevelop SL, Valencia (España) 0° 22' 49.62 W, 39° 28' 25.45 N Tlf.: 96.351.06.12 -- Fax: 96.351.09.68 http://www.prodevelop.es --- -Original Message- From: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org on behalf of Yorick Moko Sent: Mon 16/03/2009 18:26 To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko thanks for your help, but i get: r...@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install cacao -force-depends Installing cacao (0.99.3-r5.1) to root... Downloading http://jalimo.evolvis.org/repository/openmoko/armv4t/cacao_0.99.3-r5.1_armv4t.ipk Installing classpath (0.97.2-r8.1) to root... Downloading http://jalimo.evolvis.org/repository/openmoko/armv4t/classpath_0.97.2-r8.1_armv4t.ipk Installing classpath-common (0.97.2-r8.1) to root... Downloading http://jalimo.evolvis.org/repository/openmoko/armv4t/classpath-common_0.97.2-r8.1_armv4t.ipk Configuring cacao update-alternatives: Linking //usr/bin/java to /usr/bin/cacao Configuring classpath Configuring classpath-common Collected errors: * Warning: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for cacao: * libgcc-s1 (= 4.1.2) * libgcc-s1 (= 4.1.2) * r...@om-gta02 ~ $ cacao -Xmx40M -cp /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/car Absurd stack bottom value Aborted btw: r...@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg list_installed |grep libgcc libgcc1 - 4.1.2-r19 - On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio jldoming...@prodevelop.es wrote: Hello, Yorick, You can also try cacao: opkg install cacao then: cacao -Xmx40M -cp /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card Regsrd, Juan Lucas De: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org en nombre de Yorick Moko Enviado el: lun 16/03/2009 17:45 Para: List for Openmoko community discussion Asunto: Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko still nobody getting (on shr-testing) the following error? r...@om-gta02 /etc/init.d $ DISPLAY=:0 gvsig Stopping freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: stopped process in pidfile '/var/run/fso-gpsd.pid' (pid 1442) (done) Starting freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: (ok) Exception occurred while VM initialising. java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Class using the terminal command I found in these e-mails i also get the same error: r...@om-gta02 ~ $ jamvm -Xmx40M -cp /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card Exception occurred while VM initialising. java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Class y On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio jldoming...@prodevelop.es wrote: Yes, sorry, I read about that only yesterday. I think the first line in the gvsig.sh (restarting the Gpsd) is probably unnecessary in all cases. Regards, Juan Lucas De: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org en nombre de kimaidou Enviado el: lun 16/03/2009 17:32 Para: List for Openmoko community discussion Asunto: Re: gvSIG Mobile on Openmoko Normallu on last SHR testing, the gpsd is automatically started for every application using it. It is so with tangogps for example. 2009/3/16 Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.com Great news :) SHR users just have to remember to start gpsd if you want to see where you are - that's what /usr/bin/gvsig does on OM2008.x distributions, but that doesn't seem to be working for you SHR people :( Cheers, Joseph 2009/3/16 kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com: Hi all Thanks to the command line (one line) Francesco da Virgilo gaves in his email : r...@om-gta02 ~ $ jamvm -Xmx40M -cp /usr/share/java/swt.jar:/usr/share/gv-om/class/all.jar es/prodevelop/gvsig/mobile/app/Launcher fr /usr/share/gv-om /media/card I am able to run it on SHR too. This is a great step for mobile GIS solutions ! Thanks to the developpers ! Kimaidou ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community
Finger Friendly chess program
Hello! I'm looking for chess application to play on my FR. What choices do I have? Right now I have fltk-chess installed, but it is not finger-friendly (board is not resized). Leonti ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Finger Friendly chess program
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Leonti Bielski ha scritto: Hello! I'm looking for chess application to play on my FR. What choices do I have? Right now I have fltk-chess installed, but it is not finger-friendly (board is not resized). Leonti Wow, I'm perfectly agree... chess is a _must_ among the addictive games we should have on our Free Phone :D - -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia Italia Member* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkm+sLIACgkQRi2TsGSC4Fa2pQCfTzzGa3G50GJ2+lQ3DL3Ezlkh VtIAn0VyqJS/bGPGO/rwUBxY/sImsUb/ =T6+/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Finger Friendly chess program
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 21:04 +0100, Francesco de Virgilio wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Leonti Bielski ha scritto: Hello! I'm looking for chess application to play on my FR. What choices do I have? Right now I have fltk-chess installed, but it is not finger-friendly (board is not resized). Leonti Wow, I'm perfectly agree... chess is a _must_ among the addictive games we should have on our Free Phone :D Is xboard with the good command line options ok? because it can be scaled from tiny to huge... It must be in debian and it's in openembedded(but you will need to give the path of phalanx if you use phalanx...because phalanx was made specially for opie if I remember well.) Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[qtextended] wireless script not correct
Hi, (I can't create a ticket on http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved, so I'm posting on the list) the wireless lan only works once, because the wpa_supplicant is left running after stopping the wireless. Here's a complete bug report with a fix: http://www.qtsoftware.com/developer/task-tracker/index_html?method=entryid=241864 It seems to work (now wireless can be on/off multiple times), but the resolving still doesn't work (since I can't seem to connect to the internet). Maybe some extra logging can help, but this is for sure the beginning :-) Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Launching applications
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Al Johnson ha scritto: The problem isn't that command, but the shell you're specifying at the start of the script. Change from #!/bin/bash to #!/bin/sh and it works just fine. Tested, now it works. Joseph Reeves, could you insert this fix in an upgrade for the gvsig ipk (in repository)? - -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia Italia Member* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkm+xloACgkQRi2TsGSC4FblhgCdFrR6FoHmH3+k+t6IESdcECza UlwAnA592KFlIyYCF1bsX6NiMjGwRVBH =fDpD -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
