date:20090403

Using 3G USB dongle [Re: Sean's speech at ESC about making a 3G device]

2009-04-03 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors

Arigead captain.dea...@gmail.com writes:
 If you could get a hold of the plastic spacer could you then take a 3.5G
 USB Dongle and put that into the space? I think that 3.5G USB Dongles

I have been using E169 dongle quite a lot with freerunner. Since I did
some udev setup [1] the hassle is minimal: I just plug the dongle to
freerunner, click menu to set usb host mode and it'll automatically
connect to network.

If there's some way to automatically detect a usb device then I could
have freerunner automatically switch to host mode and avoid the need
to click anything to and have complete plug and play experience.

[1]

$ head neo/2009-04-03/etc/udev/rules.d/E169.rules
ACTION!=add, GOTO=E169_rules_end
SUBSYSTEM==usb_device, GOTO=E169_rules_real
BUS!=usb, GOTO=E169_rules_end

LABEL=E169_rules_real

SYSFS{idVendor}==12d1, SYSFS{idProduct}==1001, RUN=/usr/bin/pon E169

LABEL=E169_rules_end


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Re: Sean's speech at ESC about making a 3G device

2009-04-03 Thread The Rasterman

On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:27:43 -0700 Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com said:

nice steve :) and yes - i put a bit of color in. :) my opinions are not those
of openmoko nor do they divine om's future... it's just my interpretation of
the facts as they come out :)

 Since I worked on the presentation with Sean for the days he was here in
 SF, let me give you my view and sean's view. That way we won't get into
 some version of the telephone game.
 
 Sean discussed three things at OpenExpo.
 
 1. Our successes.
 2. Our mistakes.
 3. Our challenges
 
 I won't go over 1 2 but I'll cover #3 since rasters perception has
 a bit of color added to it. Only a tiny bit and he's entitled
 to that color commentary, I'll just add what Sean and I, as authors
 of the presentation, had as our message.
 
 Our biggest challenge was to make a choice about how to spend the
 balance of 2009.
 
 There were two paths:
 A: Fulfill our promises on FreeRunner and launch GTA03
 B: Fulfill our promises on FreeRunner and  launch project B.
 
 We will talk more about project B in the coming months, but these
 salient facts should be able to guide any budding executives out there.
 
 1. GTA03 was in constant flux as a design.
 2. GTA03 schedule was consequently always slipping.
 3. The resources required for GTA03 are 3X those required for Project B.
 4. We don't have 3X.
 
 So, we picked plan B.
 
 Now comes the question, what about GTA03? how do we get there? And when?
 and what is it?
 
 Well my basic argument was and is this:
 
 First we attend to the issues that still remain with the GTA02. That's
 why the VP of marketing ( of all people) is working on the buzz fix
 problem. Second we complete project B. When we've done that, then we
 get to eat dessert. Essentially, I made the same argument I heard so
 many times on this list: How do expect us to buy a GTA03 when you've
 yet to deliver on all the promise of FreeRunner? And I took the
 arguments I heard from disty seriously, how do you expect us to buy FR,
 when GTA03 is right around the corner? And I accepted the arguments I 
 heard from Engineers I respect who questioned the viability of the GTA03 
 in the market place. All of those arguments said put a bullet in its 
 brain pan!
 
   So, what about GTA03? As it was defined, it is dead. So how do we
 get to a new GTA03? Two requirements: continue to improve GTA02; deliver
 on project B. What is GTA03 and when do we get there? There are a number
 of independent efforts out there that are pitching me ideas for GTA03.
 I talked to sean a bit about this and I'd like to try to open up more
 of the design process and the marketing process to the community.
 Perhaps on a separate list. Some of these discussions have already started.
 
 What can you do to help?
 1. Move GTA02 code upstream.
 2. Stay Involved.
 3. Continue work on applications
 4. Buy a FreeRunner.
 5. Get involved in GTA03 discussions
 
 Best,
 
 Steve
 
 
 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
  On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 18:35:58 +0100 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org
  said:
  
  On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 06:13:36PM +0100, Justyn Butler wrote:
  2009/4/2 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org:
  On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 05:38:42PM +0100, Justyn Butler wrote:
  He also explains what it would take to put 3G in the phones, saying
  that they'd do it (but the 3G part would be closed) if a customer put
  in a large enough order (ie 50,000 units).
  You've just convinced me that, unless this changes, no OpenMoko with 3G
  will get my money as far as I'm concerned :)
  Why the outrage?
  I bought the OpenMoko to get a more Free Software phone, not one that
  gets less and less Free as new devices come up :)
 
  I seriously hope GTA3 fixes some of the most serious problems GTA2 had
  regarding that.
  
  3g can be done - just like the 2g on feeerunner - you will talk to a closed
  blob via a defined protocol. just like any chip anywhere. no less free than
  gta02 in that way. BUT yes - you'll pay an extra $200.
  
  nb gta03 - you missed the news from sean's talk at openexpo in switzerland.
  gta03 is postponed (read cancelled - postponed is just a nice way to say
  it and try and keep the community hanging around in hope it un-cancels, as
  openmoko has laid off most of their staff (also news from openexpo), their
  linux staff. you don't un-postpone if you just let all the people go who
  work on the software).
  
 
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Re: Sean's speech at ESC about making a 3G device

2009-04-03 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller


 Sean discussed three things at OpenExpo.

 1. Our successes.
 2. Our mistakes.
 3. Our challenges

 I won't go over 1 2 but I'll cover #3 since rasters perception has
 a bit of color added to it. Only a tiny bit and he's entitled
 to that color commentary, I'll just add what Sean and I, as authors
 of the presentation, had as our message.

Is it possible for you to upload the slides somewhere so that we can  
read what was presented? Or is there some video?

Nikolaus

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Sean's speech at ESC about making a 3G device

2009-04-03 Thread ueli.pe...@bluewin.ch

Here is the link: 
http://www.openexpo.ch/fileadmin/documents/2009Bern/Slides/BusinessTrack/01_SeanMossPultz.pdf

Ueli

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new version of gtkaddpoit

2009-04-03 Thread Carlo Minucci

i have release a new version of gtkaddpoi 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gtkaddpoi

now you can search a POI and add to Navit bookmark

don't forget to donate something at http://minucci.net/openmoko.php :D

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Re: Sean's speech at ESC about making a 3G device

2009-04-03 Thread Steve Mosher




Sargun Dhillon wrote:
 When will project B be announced?

I have not made a final decision. First I need a solid schedule from 
engineering. That is, a schedule, with a high probability of hitting its 
target.
Given the channels I expect to launch this in, there is no leeway for
slips. I'm talking about schedule certainty down to the week if not day.
Right now as a placeholder date for the announcement I have a day 
selected in august.



 
 On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com wrote:
 Since I worked on the presentation with Sean for the days he was here in
 SF, let me give you my view and sean's view. That way we won't get into
 some version of the telephone game.

 Sean discussed three things at OpenExpo.

 1. Our successes.
 2. Our mistakes.
 3. Our challenges

 I won't go over 1 2 but I'll cover #3 since rasters perception has
 a bit of color added to it. Only a tiny bit and he's entitled
 to that color commentary, I'll just add what Sean and I, as authors
 of the presentation, had as our message.

 Our biggest challenge was to make a choice about how to spend the
 balance of 2009.

 There were two paths:
 A: Fulfill our promises on FreeRunner and launch GTA03
 B: Fulfill our promises on FreeRunner and  launch project B.

 We will talk more about project B in the coming months, but these
 salient facts should be able to guide any budding executives out there.

 1. GTA03 was in constant flux as a design.
 2. GTA03 schedule was consequently always slipping.
 3. The resources required for GTA03 are 3X those required for Project B.
 4. We don't have 3X.

 So, we picked plan B.

 Now comes the question, what about GTA03? how do we get there? And when?
 and what is it?

 Well my basic argument was and is this:

 First we attend to the issues that still remain with the GTA02. That's
 why the VP of marketing ( of all people) is working on the buzz fix
 problem. Second we complete project B. When we've done that, then we
 get to eat dessert. Essentially, I made the same argument I heard so
 many times on this list: How do expect us to buy a GTA03 when you've
 yet to deliver on all the promise of FreeRunner? And I took the
 arguments I heard from disty seriously, how do you expect us to buy FR,
 when GTA03 is right around the corner? And I accepted the arguments I
 heard from Engineers I respect who questioned the viability of the GTA03
 in the market place. All of those arguments said put a bullet in its
 brain pan!

  So, what about GTA03? As it was defined, it is dead. So how do we
 get to a new GTA03? Two requirements: continue to improve GTA02; deliver
 on project B. What is GTA03 and when do we get there? There are a number
 of independent efforts out there that are pitching me ideas for GTA03.
 I talked to sean a bit about this and I'd like to try to open up more
 of the design process and the marketing process to the community.
 Perhaps on a separate list. Some of these discussions have already started.

 What can you do to help?
 1. Move GTA02 code upstream.
 2. Stay Involved.
 3. Continue work on applications
 4. Buy a FreeRunner.
 5. Get involved in GTA03 discussions

 Best,

 Steve


 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
 On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 18:35:58 +0100 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org 
 said:

 On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 06:13:36PM +0100, Justyn Butler wrote:
 2009/4/2 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org:
 On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 05:38:42PM +0100, Justyn Butler wrote:
 He also explains what it would take to put 3G in the phones, saying
 that they'd do it (but the 3G part would be closed) if a customer put
 in a large enough order (ie 50,000 units).
 You've just convinced me that, unless this changes, no OpenMoko with 3G
 will get my money as far as I'm concerned :)
 Why the outrage?
 I bought the OpenMoko to get a more Free Software phone, not one that
 gets less and less Free as new devices come up :)

 I seriously hope GTA3 fixes some of the most serious problems GTA2 had
 regarding that.
 3g can be done - just like the 2g on feeerunner - you will talk to a closed
 blob via a defined protocol. just like any chip anywhere. no less free than
 gta02 in that way. BUT yes - you'll pay an extra $200.

 nb gta03 - you missed the news from sean's talk at openexpo in switzerland.
 gta03 is postponed (read cancelled - postponed is just a nice way to say 
 it
 and try and keep the community hanging around in hope it un-cancels, as
 openmoko has laid off most of their staff (also news from openexpo), their
 linux staff. you don't un-postpone if you just let all the people go who 
 work
 on the software).

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Re: Sean's speech at ESC about making a 3G device

2009-04-03 Thread Arigead

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Steve Mosher wrote:
 Since I worked on the presentation with Sean for the days he was here in
 SF, let me give you my view and sean's view. That way we won't get into
 some version of the telephone game.
 
 Sean discussed three things at OpenExpo.
 
 1. Our successes.
 2. Our mistakes.
 3. Our challenges
 
 I won't go over 1 2 but I'll cover #3 since rasters perception has
 a bit of color added to it. Only a tiny bit and he's entitled
 to that color commentary, I'll just add what Sean and I, as authors
 of the presentation, had as our message.
 
 Our biggest challenge was to make a choice about how to spend the
 balance of 2009.
 
 There were two paths:
 A: Fulfill our promises on FreeRunner and launch GTA03
 B: Fulfill our promises on FreeRunner and  launch project B.
 
 We will talk more about project B in the coming months, but these
 salient facts should be able to guide any budding executives out there.
 
 1. GTA03 was in constant flux as a design.
 2. GTA03 schedule was consequently always slipping.
 3. The resources required for GTA03 are 3X those required for Project B.
 4. We don't have 3X.
 
 So, we picked plan B.
 
 Now comes the question, what about GTA03? how do we get there? And when?
 and what is it?
 
 Well my basic argument was and is this:
 
 First we attend to the issues that still remain with the GTA02. That's
 why the VP of marketing ( of all people) is working on the buzz fix
 problem. Second we complete project B. When we've done that, then we
 get to eat dessert. Essentially, I made the same argument I heard so
 many times on this list: How do expect us to buy a GTA03 when you've
 yet to deliver on all the promise of FreeRunner? And I took the
 arguments I heard from disty seriously, how do you expect us to buy FR,
 when GTA03 is right around the corner? And I accepted the arguments I 
 heard from Engineers I respect who questioned the viability of the GTA03 
 in the market place. All of those arguments said put a bullet in its 
 brain pan!
 
   So, what about GTA03? As it was defined, it is dead. So how do we
 get to a new GTA03? Two requirements: continue to improve GTA02; deliver
 on project B. What is GTA03 and when do we get there? There are a number
 of independent efforts out there that are pitching me ideas for GTA03.
 I talked to sean a bit about this and I'd like to try to open up more
 of the design process and the marketing process to the community.
 Perhaps on a separate list. Some of these discussions have already started.
 
 What can you do to help?
 1. Move GTA02 code upstream.
 2. Stay Involved.
 3. Continue work on applications
 4. Buy a FreeRunner.
 5. Get involved in GTA03 discussions
 
 Best,
 
 Steve
 
 
 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
 On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 18:35:58 +0100 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org 
 said:

 On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 06:13:36PM +0100, Justyn Butler wrote:
 2009/4/2 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org:
 On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 05:38:42PM +0100, Justyn Butler wrote:
 He also explains what it would take to put 3G in the phones, saying
 that they'd do it (but the 3G part would be closed) if a customer put
 in a large enough order (ie 50,000 units).
 You've just convinced me that, unless this changes, no OpenMoko with 3G
 will get my money as far as I'm concerned :)
 Why the outrage?
 I bought the OpenMoko to get a more Free Software phone, not one that
 gets less and less Free as new devices come up :)

 I seriously hope GTA3 fixes some of the most serious problems GTA2 had
 regarding that.
 3g can be done - just like the 2g on feeerunner - you will talk to a closed
 blob via a defined protocol. just like any chip anywhere. no less free than
 gta02 in that way. BUT yes - you'll pay an extra $200.

 nb gta03 - you missed the news from sean's talk at openexpo in switzerland.
 gta03 is postponed (read cancelled - postponed is just a nice way to say it
 and try and keep the community hanging around in hope it un-cancels, as
 openmoko has laid off most of their staff (also news from openexpo), their
 linux staff. you don't un-postpone if you just let all the people go who work
 on the software).


Thanks for the clarification Steve, Carsten had be worried there for a
moment. Can I say that I'm using the FR as my Daily Phone and I'm as
happy as a pig in shit that when I find the time I can write new apps
and improve existing apps. I think most of the people on these lists
appreciates the philosophy of Open Source. I for one would love for Open
Moko to make that philosophy successful in the Hardware arena.
Regardless of what you produce as Plan B, even if it's a hair
straightener, I'll buy one. ;-)

Best of luck and keep us informed.

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Re: Graphics Performance

2009-04-03 Thread Miguel Ángel Calderón

2009/4/3 Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com



 so the other side of that is to do everything with the cpu in system ram
 and
 transfer to the glamo when done - so you only deal with the slow write
 once, at
 the end. but remember the write - when being done, will hold the cpu
 hostage
 and as it is now slowed down to 1/6th its normal speed during this write -
 you
 lose even more cpu power.

 the solution is to just update less of the screen, make drawing simple so
 the
 cpu has to do less when software-rendering, and/or drop down to qvga.

 please dig over the archives of this list. this has been gone over in gory
 detail before :)


Hi Raster. Thanks for your splendid presentation of the graphics issue... I
didn't
manage to find it from the archives.

What really surprises me is the fact that if this is so clear, why is
Comunity not working
on qvga graphics yet? Is it not a waste of time to try to get glamo fully
working and then
keep on going over VGA resolution?

I'd prefer to drive the funnier modest car than to have the ferrary parked
outside... I though
linux and free software people were mostly this way.

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Re: Sean's speech at ESC about making a 3G device

2009-04-03 Thread Sander

Justyn Butler wrote (ao):
 2009/4/2 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org:
  I bought the OpenMoko to get a more Free Software phone, not one that
  gets less and less Free as new devices come up :)
 
 Well due to the expense it is clear that no 3G device is going to be
 Openmoko's main phone for a long time. No one is going to stop anyone
 buying a non-3G Openmoko phone.
 
 What this is suggesting, I suppose, is a 3G derivative if there was
 serious demand (or should I say, concrete demand in the form of a
 large order. I personally demand it quite seriously!).
 While it is a shame that the 3G part would be closed, it would clearly
 be a legal necessity. It would be that or no 3G version at all.

What about a FR without 3G but with a 'normal' size USB2.0 port in which
you can plug a 3G dongle?

This has several advantages:

o FR would be more free
o FR would be less expensive
o only one expensive heavy duty 3G contract for both your FR and your laptop
o upgrading of 3G without the need for upgrading the FR

FR would still have GPRS in this scenario.

The USB port would be on the edge of the FR where we find the AUX button
now. This would make the dongle point more or less upwards in both
landscape and portrait mode.

Related to this I'm looking for a converter between the small USB port
on the FR and a 3G USB dongle (or a USB keyboard). I've searched but not
found any. Any tips?

With kind regards, Sander

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Re: Using 3G USB dongle [Re: Sean's speech at ESC about making a 3G device]

2009-04-03 Thread Sander

Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote (ao):
 Arigead captain.dea...@gmail.com writes:
  If you could get a hold of the plastic spacer could you then take a 3.5G
  USB Dongle and put that into the space? I think that 3.5G USB Dongles
 
 I have been using E169 dongle quite a lot with freerunner.

What do you use to connect the dongle and the FR? I'm looking for a
converter between the small FR port and the large dongle port.

With kind regards, Sander

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Belgium reseller KD85 (was: Re: $299 ESC San Jose limited time Special! ?)

2009-04-03 Thread Sander

Ed Kapitein wrote (ao):
 That is where i got my  FR.
 Good reseller, i would buy there again.

I second that: bought my FreeRunner at KD85 last october and had some
questions about the delivery. Wim reacted very quickly and the phone
arrived within a few days at my address in The Netherlands.

With kind regards, Sander


 Joseph Reeves wrote:
  That would make sense...
 
  After a bit of googling for belgium openmoko (a perfectly normal
  search term, honest...) I found this reseller that I'd never seen
  before:
 
  https://kd85.com/openmoko.html
 
  Seems to have taken delivery of 180/200:
 
  http://openmoko.kd85.com/images/
 
  and is selling them on at a very good price, has been doing so since
  November last year. Openmoko stock clearance?
 
  Cheers, Joseph

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Re: Sean's speech at ESC about making a 3G device

2009-04-03 Thread kimaidou

There are a lot of small usb convertissers :
http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000TCSYFC/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8m=A88Q2E8PA1VAL
http://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B000TCSYES

I use them with my Keyboard and usb stick, and it workds well

Could someone give some link to working 3G usb dongles ?

Kimaidou

2009/4/3 Sander openm...@humilis.net

Justyn Butler wrote (ao):
2009/4/2 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org:
I bought the OpenMoko to get a more Free Software phone, not one that
gets less and less Free as new devices come up :)

Well due to the expense it is clear that no 3G device is going to be
Openmoko's main phone for a long time. No one is going to stop anyone
buying a non-3G Openmoko phone.

What this is suggesting, I suppose, is a 3G derivative if there was
serious demand (or should I say, concrete demand in the form of a
large order. I personally demand it quite seriously!).
While it is a shame that the 3G part would be closed, it would clearly
be a legal necessity. It would be that or no 3G version at all.

What about a FR without 3G but with a 'normal' size USB2.0 port in which
you can plug a 3G dongle?

This has several advantages:

o FR would be more free
o FR would be less expensive
o only one expensive heavy duty 3G contract for both your FR and your
laptop
o upgrading of 3G without the need for upgrading the FR

FR would still have GPRS in this scenario.

The USB port would be on the edge of the FR where we find the AUX button
now. This would make the dongle point more or less upwards in both
landscape and portrait mode.

Related to this I'm looking for a converter between the small USB port
on the FR and a 3G USB dongle (or a USB keyboard). I've searched but not
found any. Any tips?

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