Re: [SHR] Suspend/Shutdown/Etc dialog is only 1 pixel wide!
2009/5/11 jeremy jozwik jerjoz.for...@gmail.com: so... thats a re-flash? well, this is broken in shr-testing full-stop. regardless of whether you flash or upgrade to the most recent, it won't work. shr-unstable doesn't have this bug, but probably has lots of others ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[FSY] Stuck in desktop switcher
Hi guys, I'm currently using FSY and am quiet happy. However at random times (I can't work out what's doing it yet) 4 transparent grey boxes come up and I can't get rid of them. It looks like a desktop switcher app with four boxes labeled 1 .. 4. Anyone know how I can get rid of them? Also, does anyone know if there are any open-source projects out there trying to get other ARM based operating systems running on the Freerunner? All I can find at the moment are Linux based. Alfie ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSY] Stuck in desktop switcher
2009/5/11 Alfie al...@h4c.kr: I'm currently using FSY and am quiet happy. However at random times (I can't work out what's doing it yet) 4 transparent grey boxes come up and I can't get rid of them. It looks like a desktop switcher app with four boxes labeled 1 .. 4. what's FSY? is this the screen-unlocker in zhone? try hitting the buttons in numerical order - that should send you back to the desktop Also, does anyone know if there are any open-source projects out there trying to get other ARM based operating systems running on the Freerunner? All I can find at the moment are Linux based. openbsd? http://www.openbsd.org/45.html#new ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSY] Stuck in desktop switcher
2009/5/11 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com: Also, does anyone know if there are any open-source projects out there trying to get other ARM based operating systems running on the Freerunner? All I can find at the moment are Linux based. openbsd? http://www.openbsd.org/45.html#new oh, and apparently, inferno: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferno_(operating_system) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Angus Ainslie nyt...@openmoko.org wrote: On Sun, 2009-05-10 at 22:24 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: - some mess sometimes in the top of the screen Yup, please add it to the bug tracker I'm a bit unsure about this, I reflashed and wasn't able to see it.. I'll leave it unreported for now. - resume doesn't turn on the screen lights - one knows it's resumed only by touching the screen please add this too. https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2286 - Slow boot time (over 4min with Qi?) My tests only show a 10 second difference between qi and u-boot, I will start working on this soon. I was trying to get it stable before I started to optimize I compared it to 2008.12. I don't have any data here but as far as I remember it's something like 2-3mins? - the alsastatefile (kurppa.fi/freerunner/temp/gsmhandset.state_2009t3 with Right PGA on control.63) is different from the latest 'working one' (with mic2) at http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/raw-attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset.state.new Oops that was supposed to be in this release I'll see what happened tomorrow. great, thanks! ¤ Is there a way to enable illume from command line? mdbus org.enlightenment.wm.service /org/enlightenment/wm/RemoteObject org.enlightenment.wm.[List|Set] can't find it..? mdbus -s didn't show me org.enlightenment at all.. and mdbus just tells me 'Service name not found'. Is there any extra packages required for this or something? ¤ At some stage my FR just decided not to resume any more Please send a log Reflashed, but if this happens again, I'll try to see if I can find something.. ¤ After the 10min call the UI died, I wasn't able to press any buttons, nothing happened. Then after waiting some minutes it started running again. Still the top left shows '100' instead of default or silent.. A log would be helpful here too Reflashed, but if this happens again, I'll try to see if I can find something.. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSY ? - was: Re: [FSY] Stuck in desktop switcher
Alfie al...@h4c.kr writes: Sorry... having one of those days. Yes FYP :) As I understand it, FYP is an alias for Neovento, then... so maybe someone should mention that in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions ? My 2 cents, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
Hi, thanks for the kind words and the list of issues. We are trying to get all of them reproduced, so that I can hunt them down :) If you can reproduce the freezing issues or where the UI crashed, it would be great if you could open a ticket on http://www.paroli-project.org/trac and attach the paroli log and the fso log (/var/log/paroli.log and /var/log/frameworkd.log). Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Hi! Thanks for this new release, really happy to see that only a short time (a week?) after the previous there's already a new release with bugs fixed. Release early, release often, as they say :) I wrote some points below to show what's good, what I concider as bug/problem and points to discuss/wishlist/something. I'm sure some of it has already been discussed, some of it is just me not knowing how to use it (which can mean that it's not easy to use or a manual/something is needed) and so on. I'm happy to receive comments! + This actually makes FR a simple, very working phone!! (I actually got a 10 min call from my mum. In the end I asked and she said there's a small echo left) + ability to turn off PIN check change pin! (I think it's the first distro that can do it :) + WLAN-tool + manual suspend + decent resume speed - some mess sometimes in the top of the scree - The button to 'go back / go to previous screen' keeps changing: In the menu there's a 'back' button (different size in different views) but in the people etc one has to know to press the top bar to go back. - Empty I/O shows an 'edit' button.. maybe it should be hidden and instead a text 'no logged events' could be shown? good idea added to my list - keylock missing think angus tried to find a suitable tool ¤ Would it be possible to add a SMS button in the 'People' - contact view. Now clicking the number calls the user (intuitive? Why clicking the name nothing happens?). Maybe adding 'dial' and 'SMS' -buttons there just to make it clear. The entries in people, messages and i/o should all be slidable (odd spelling) to the right and show you an extra action, for people this is a msgs button. unfortunately it seems to be not working for people, but in the other lists it seems ok. - If one by accidentally presses 'Enter in the PIN input view, it just accepts it and doesn't ask for PIN again. It does not return if you enter a wrong PIN? - wlan scan doesn't have a progress bar telling it's actually doing something I am bound to what connman provides me. I don't get any progress sadly. Should Paroli block any action until it found a network (which can be bad in case there is none)? Or should it block until the scan is done (I believe there is a signal from connman when it completed a scan)? - resume doesn't turn on the screen lights - one knows it's resumed only by touching the screen Will try to hook into the signal and set the back-light to 70. - GPRS settings: if one by accident clicks 'username', 'APN', or 'password' instead of Connect, one actually has to re-type it because the 'back' button doesn't work. On it. - There's nothing (no text/button) telling one should click in the black area to get to phonebook to select recipient in 'msgs' - '+' or 'Tele' Should it get a grey fill when no number is entered? Or an icon? - Slow boot time (over 4min with Qi?) - the alsastatefile (kurppa.fi/freerunner/temp/gsmhandset.state_2009t3 with Right PGA on control.63) is different from the latest 'working one' (with mic2) at http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/raw-attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset.state.new ¤ How to connect to a hidden WLAN network? How about encryptions? WPA,WEP and WPA2 should be handled correctly. This should also cover 90% of all cases. I would love to have a more complete interface for wifi, but am afraid I won't have the time. If there is anyone who wants to adopt the whole wifi settings part (is only one py file) let me know and I'll get him/her git access along with all the help I can provide. Any care-taker? The same goes for any settings option you want to work on. It should be fairly easy to get into that part of paroli and a good way to get into the rest as well ;) ¤ The numbers in the home view showing missed calls or received messages could be bigger/colorful/something or even say 'one missed call' or 'new SMS received' ¤ At some stage I saw the : in the time blinking, then it stopped. I think it either should blink or not but not keep changing what it does (without telling me what does it mean :) Sorry, that is the old way of setting the time and alarm. I will disable that. ¤ Is there a way to enable illume from command line? Angus answered that I believe, but why not use the setting in Display - profile in paroli settings? ¤ Icon that's shown before GSM network registration doesn't tell me anything. What does it actually represent? It is supposed to mean not connected ;) ¤ The only place where I was able to find colors was the
Re: what hardware version do I REALLY have?
i've got a 8 gb-sd-card and gps works well.. tested with shr (testing + unstable), fyp and om 2008 ( a long time ago).. Am Sonntag, 10. Mai 2009 23.21:21 schrieb Doug Jones: Johny Tenfinger wrote: On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 21:34, Marcel tan...@googlemail.com wrote: I don't think the aux led is such a significant change, it doesn't light that often anyway... I mostly see it on kernel panics which luckily isn't that often :D But other changes are less significant ;) Booting without battery, which still doesn't work... and SD/GPS fix, which is fixed by software ;) Aargh.. The SD/GPS issue was the one I really wanted to avoid. I waited for many months to order my Neo, just so I could avoid that. Guess I just need to start not believing anything I read on this list. ;) I've spent the last month trying out various distros and various SD cards, with varying amounts of agony. Does anyone know of a list somewhere of distros that have the software fix and are *known* to work well booted from SD cards 2GB, with GPS running? ...AND, if/when somebody succeeds in organizing a buzz fix party in California, is there any possibility of upgrading this v5 to v6 and then to v7? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: what hardware version do I REALLY have?
i'm also in the posession of a gta02v5 gps + booting from SD (512MB and 8GB) card work just fine (I'm using qi, but u-boot also did the trick) y On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Vinzenz Hersche hers...@puzzle.ch wrote: i've got a 8 gb-sd-card and gps works well.. tested with shr (testing + unstable), fyp and om 2008 ( a long time ago).. Am Sonntag, 10. Mai 2009 23.21:21 schrieb Doug Jones: Johny Tenfinger wrote: On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 21:34, Marcel tan...@googlemail.com wrote: I don't think the aux led is such a significant change, it doesn't light that often anyway... I mostly see it on kernel panics which luckily isn't that often :D But other changes are less significant ;) Booting without battery, which still doesn't work... and SD/GPS fix, which is fixed by software ;) Aargh.. The SD/GPS issue was the one I really wanted to avoid. I waited for many months to order my Neo, just so I could avoid that. Guess I just need to start not believing anything I read on this list. ;) I've spent the last month trying out various distros and various SD cards, with varying amounts of agony. Does anyone know of a list somewhere of distros that have the software fix and are *known* to work well booted from SD cards 2GB, with GPS running? ...AND, if/when somebody succeeds in organizing a buzz fix party in California, is there any possibility of upgrading this v5 to v6 and then to v7? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Suspend/Shutdown/Etc dialog is only 1 pixel wide!
I do use the suspend button a lot, as a substitute I created an application entry with the line: Exec=mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.Suspend and clicking on it suspends the phone. It might be helpful to others not wanting to switch to unstable ... On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 11:39:36PM -0500, The Digital Pioneer wrote: I had this too, a few days ago. A opkg update/upgrade later and it was working again. I was nigh unto ecstatic to have it back, I use that suspend button a lot... :P ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Charles Clément. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Installing *.ipk/*.opk part 2: apt-get-file
Thanks for your help i change sh into bash, and it works now. My last pbm is my hackable apt-get wich does not want to install some packages.. but it is not related to your script. Thanks a lot 2009/5/11 Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca debian-gta02:~# apt-get-file install http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/575/ledclock_0.6_all.ipk trap: 26: ERR: bad trap Any clue ? The script uses /bin/sh but actually relies on bashisms, so if your /bin/sh is actually something else (like dash, according to my crystal ball), you need to tweak the script with a patch such as the one below. Stefan === modified file 'apt-get-file' (properties changed: -x to +x) --- apt-get-file2009-05-10 19:41:44 + +++ apt-get-file2009-05-10 19:47:27 + @@ -23,9 +23,12 @@ exit 1 } -trap exit_clean ERR -set -o errexit -set -o errtrace +# Bashisms. +#trap exit_clean ERR +#set -o errexit +#set -o errtrace +# For Dash. +trap exit_clean ILL QUIT SEGV HUP 0 if [ --verbose = $1 ]; then shift ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Suspend/Shutdown/Etc dialog is only 1 pixel wide!
2009/5/11 Charles Clément carat...@gmail.com: I do use the suspend button a lot, as a substitute I created an application entry with the line: Exec=mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.Suspend and clicking on it suspends the phone. It might be helpful to others not wanting to switch to unstable ... excellent, thank you ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Installing *.ipk/*.opk part 2: apt-get-file
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 10:55:39AM +0200, kimaidou wrote: My last pbm is my hackable apt-get wich does not want to install some packages.. but it is not related to your script. Did you add the repository from part 1? # echo /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ril-oedepmappings.list \ # 'deb http://nospamnospam.homepage.dk/software/download/oedepmappings/ /' -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QTEi] battery duration
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 09:05:39AM +0200, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: Maybe recharging when connected to the usb should be optional ... This works on any recent kernel: # echo /sys/class/power_supply/usb/device/chg_curlim 0 (Although currently it is reset when you plug in power supply to the USB port. That will be fixed RSN.) -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Installing *.ipk/*.opk part 2: apt-get-file
No I did not. But now it it done, and after a apt-get update, I still get: You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: The following packages have unmet dependencies: ledclock: Depends: python-pygtk but it is not going to be installed Depends: python-subprocess but it is not going to be installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). Is it a specific hackable:1 problem ? Thanks for your help 2009/5/11 Rask Ingemann Lambertsen r...@sygehus.dk On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 10:55:39AM +0200, kimaidou wrote: My last pbm is my hackable apt-get wich does not want to install some packages.. but it is not related to your script. Did you add the repository from part 1? # echo /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ril-oedepmappings.list \ # 'deb http://nospamnospam.homepage.dk/software/download/oedepmappings/ /' -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[request] gtkaddpoi ability to query wikimapia
Hello list. Wouldn't it be much more efficient for gtkaddpoi to query wikimapia.org, instead of yahoo? There are many places tagged there in my remote town and none in Yahoo. Any chance for this to appear in gtkaddpoi? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Illume keyboard questions
more info and keyboards can be found here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume#List_of_illume_keyboards Laszlo KREKACS wrote: Hi! I'm pretty impressed with the illume keyboard (and was a major part of my decision of buying the freerunner), and want to play with it a bit more. I would like to ask some questions and would like to propose two features. 1. What are the numbers in the dictionary? I assume they are some occurence in the given language (english by default). So how much is 200? Or what are the hundred percent number? So if I want to create a dictionary with only 40 words in it (and assuming there are no other (key)words in that language) what should be the numbers? 2. Does the alphabetical order counts? So If I write a dictionary like this: bash 200 cat 200 python 200 -- !!! here we go find 200 grep 200 kill 200 killall 200 ls 200 ps 200 top 200 Does it will recognize the word python, as they are *not* in alphabetical order? Feature request 1: I would like to have different dynamic dictionary for each dictionary. Currently we have only one dynamic dictionary under ~/.e/e/dicts-dynamic/personal.dic The problem with this setup, that if I create a dictionary for my own language and create an another one for special purpose (which contains only 40 words). And I regularly write english texts, native language texts and shell commands, they will pollute each other. So the keyboard will suggest english words in my native language and bash commands when I write english text. Feature request 2: I plan to write tables where one column will be english and the other an another language. So I would like to change the illume dictionary programatically. Is it possible currently? (I would like to use python for the program) Best regards, Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QTEi] battery duration
Franky Van Liedekerke ha scritto: On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Fabio Locati fabioloc...@gmail.com wrote: Franky's QtEI last, on my phone, for 2/3 days... maybe your battery is going do die? On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 6:24 PM, leona...@lilik.it leona...@lilik.it wrote: Hi all, Is it my impression or QTEi from Franky tree has a much shorter lifetime then QTE? with standard QTE I could recharge once every 2/3 days, now it doesn't really get to the end of day. Franky, do you have any clue from where to start watching? uh, that's also possible ... I remember having read that the battery start decreasing after 500 recharge cycles. And I recharge about every day, for new testing and stuff. Maybe recharging when connected to the usb should be optional ... Not in my case, yesterday I've booted plin QTE and it lasted more then QTEi. But, in QTE you do not receive SMS while asleep, does that mean that it is saving energy from the GSM chip? ciao, leonardo. -- http://leonardo.lilik.it Key fingerprint = 2C20 A587 05AC 42E5 1292 D0D4 3EED CFB5 52FD AD1E ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QTEi] battery duration
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 2:22 PM, leonardo leona...@lilik.it wrote: Franky Van Liedekerke ha scritto: On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Fabio Locati fabioloc...@gmail.com wrote: Franky's QtEI last, on my phone, for 2/3 days... maybe your battery is going do die? On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 6:24 PM, leona...@lilik.it leona...@lilik.it wrote: Hi all, Is it my impression or QTEi from Franky tree has a much shorter lifetime then QTE? with standard QTE I could recharge once every 2/3 days, now it doesn't really get to the end of day. Franky, do you have any clue from where to start watching? uh, that's also possible ... I remember having read that the battery start decreasing after 500 recharge cycles. And I recharge about every day, for new testing and stuff. Maybe recharging when connected to the usb should be optional ... Not in my case, yesterday I've booted plin QTE and it lasted more then QTEi. But, in QTE you do not receive SMS while asleep, does that mean that it is saving energy from the GSM chip? old QtE uses deepsleep I believe, that indeed saves battery but misses out on a whole lot of stuff, because deep sleep has issues. Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [request] gtkaddpoi ability to query wikimapia
ivvmm ha scritto: Hello list. Wouldn't it be much more efficient for gtkaddpoi to query wikimapia.org, instead of yahoo? There are many places tagged there in my remote town and none in Yahoo. Any chance for this to appear in gtkaddpoi? gtkaddpoi use yahoo because the API is very simple with a query with city name, address and number, you can get easyly the latitude and longitude with wikimapia is not possible... i think :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QTEi] battery duration
old QtE uses deepsleep I believe, that indeed saves battery but misses out on a whole lot of stuff, because deep sleep has issues. thanks, that explains a lot... ciao, leonardo. -- http://leonardo.lilik.it Key fingerprint = 2C20 A587 05AC 42E5 1292 D0D4 3EED CFB5 52FD AD1E ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-testing] fonts not showing up
On Sun, 2009-05-10 at 22:52 -0700, jeremy jozwik wrote: hello list! me again, seems every night ive got something new and exciting to ask. so here is todays installment! ive just switched to shr-testing 20090502. just got done installing all the must have packages when i noticed my intone is not displaying chinese characters. i then tried to install fireflysung into /usr/share/fonts/truetype and load it from the illume font settings. only it did not show, so i tried to copy a font from my linux box to the same place. nothing. restarted xserver. nothing restarted moko. nothing anyone have a clue? $ mv fireflysung.ttf Fireflysung.ttf ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Daniel.Li lida_m...@163.com PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QTEi] battery duration
David Garabana Barro ha scritto: On Monday 11 May 2009 14:46:56 leonardo wrote: old QtE uses deepsleep I believe, that indeed saves battery but misses out on a whole lot of stuff, because deep sleep has issues. thanks, that explains a lot... You can find more information about this bug here: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024 And the latest progress on it: http://www.mail-archive.com/hardw...@lists.openmoko.org/msg01077.html o my god... Finally, after a while I found out that the problem goes away if I warm up the Calypso chip by a few degrees. The other chips of the GSM chipset (Digital Baseband and RF Transceiver) or the 32 kHz and 26 MHz oscillator don't care about warming, only if I warm up the Calypso, the problem goes away a hardware problem that can be solved warming up the chip is really original :-) thanks for the link, leonardo. -- http://leonardo.lilik.it Key fingerprint = 2C20 A587 05AC 42E5 1292 D0D4 3EED CFB5 52FD AD1E ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Suspend/Shutdown/Etc dialog is only 1 pixel wide!
On Monday 11 May 2009 10:43:17 Charles Clément wrote: I do use the suspend button a lot, as a substitute I created an application entry with the line: Exec=mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.Suspend and clicking on it suspends the phone. It might be helpful to others not wanting to switch to unstable ... You can also assign the keypress to the suspend command in the illume settings... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[All] .sid file properties
After wading through the noise unsuccessfully on google, could anyone point me towards some means of getting the track information from a .sid file? Kind regards, Cameron 'Toaster`' Frazier ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All] .sid file properties
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I've tried many times over many years to do this, and I've never managed to do so to my satisfaction. I did once (years ago) find a non-free (as in closed source _and_ cost $20) Sid to midi converter, but I never bought it and haven't been able to find it since My understanding is that sids don't actually contain any tracking info as such, they contain machine code for the sid chip - it's more accurate technically to say that sids and sid players are not so much a music format as an emulation format for a sound chip. But if you manage to find anything interesting, I'd appreciate hearing about it! Regards, - -Dale Cameron Frazier wrote: After wading through the noise unsuccessfully on google, could anyone point me towards some means of getting the track information from a .sid file? Kind regards, Cameron 'Toaster`' Frazier ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKCGdZFbVnQRV3OEYRAuZbAJ4jYZIZA0PElNLvvop3z/CkY8LLRgCggXhX yTJ7Elr7gbcaSwp37I+yRkM= =pogN -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Suspend/Shutdown/Etc dialog is only 1 pixel wide!
On Monday 11 May 2009 16:54:22 jeremy jozwik wrote: you think EXEC=poweroff will do the same? Probably not, since powering off is something different than suspending. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All] .sid file properties
Dale, I did find something in the end [1], I suppose the google gods felt pity on me. It seems to tie up well with what is in a hexdump is telling me. I still need to confirm a few things though... mostly the track count. I'll let the list know. Regards, Cameron 'Toaster`' frazier [1] http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/LALA/Audio-SID-3.11/SID_file_format.txt On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I've tried many times over many years to do this, and I've never managed to do so to my satisfaction. I did once (years ago) find a non-free (as in closed source _and_ cost $20) Sid to midi converter, but I never bought it and haven't been able to find it since My understanding is that sids don't actually contain any tracking info as such, they contain machine code for the sid chip - it's more accurate technically to say that sids and sid players are not so much a music format as an emulation format for a sound chip. But if you manage to find anything interesting, I'd appreciate hearing about it! Regards, - -Dale Cameron Frazier wrote: After wading through the noise unsuccessfully on google, could anyone point me towards some means of getting the track information from a .sid file? Kind regards, Cameron 'Toaster`' Frazier ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKCGdZFbVnQRV3OEYRAuZbAJ4jYZIZA0PElNLvvop3z/CkY8LLRgCggXhX yTJ7Elr7gbcaSwp37I+yRkM= =pogN -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All] .sid file properties
On Monday 11 May 2009 18:18:58 Cameron Frazier wrote: After wading through the noise unsuccessfully on google, could anyone point me towards some means of getting the track information from a .sid file? There's no track information in .sid except *) name of main tune *) number of subtunes *) default subtune NOTE: Please don't crosspost so massively. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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hello list, is there a way for the mail to be populated in more order way? its hard to keep track of all the mails, one could not find in o(1) the subject names , or cut throw the data easily to understand and get partial grasp of the messages sent. thanks ***(to help me find the message in the chaos),** _ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage1_052009___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All] .sid file properties
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: On Monday 11 May 2009 18:18:58 Cameron Frazier wrote: After wading through the noise unsuccessfully on google, could anyone point me towards some means of getting the track information from a .sid file? There's no track information in .sid except *) name of main tune *) number of subtunes *) default subtune That's what I've found, though the number of subtunes is all I'm currently interested in. NOTE: Please don't crosspost so massively. Point taken. Apologies. Cameron 'Toaster`' Frazier ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Suspend/Shutdown/Etc dialog is only 1 pixel wide!
well yah i know that much. i just want to know if it would work as a desktop icon On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: On Monday 11 May 2009 16:54:22 jeremy jozwik wrote: you think EXEC=poweroff will do the same? Probably not, since powering off is something different than suspending. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone (0.20 - alpha release) Elementary based mplayer frontend
i was on shr-testing 20090422 when that issue was present. have yet to try on 20090502. -10? that is beyond me On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 7:18 PM, c_c cchan...@yahoo.com wrote: What distribution are you using? It works quite ok for me on SHR-unstable but I'll change the runlevel in the upcoming release. Would -10 be OK? View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Intone-%280.40---beta-pre%29-Elementary-mplayer-frontend-%28NEW-test-.deb-package%29-tp2587826p2860868.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Fwd: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono)
-- Forwarded message -- From: Aki Niemi aki.ni...@nokia.com Date: 2009/5/11 Subject: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono) To: debian-de...@lists.debian.org Cc: Marcel Holtmann mar...@holtmann.org Intel and Nokia are pleased to jointly announce the oFono project (http://ofono.org), an open source project for developing an open source telephony solution. oFono.org is a place to bring developers together around designing an infrastructure for building mobile telephony (GSM/UMTS) applications. oFono.org is licensed under GPLv2, and it includes a high-level D-Bus API for use by telephony applications of any license. oFono.org also includes a low-level plug-in API for integrating with Open Source as well as third party telephony stacks, cellular modems and storage back-ends. The plug-in API functionality is modeled on public standards, in particular 3GPP TS 27.007 AT command set for User Equipment (UE). Source code is available on http://ofono.org/downloads and a high-level architecture diagram is available on http://ofono.org/documentation. To join the mailing list, go to http://lists.ofono.org/listinfo/ofono. Nokia and Intel will jointly maintain the oFono project. We'd like to invite all developers to join the oFono.org effort and community. Marcel Holtmann holtm...@linux.intel.com, Intel Open Source Technology Center Aki Niemi aki.ni...@nokia.com, Nokia Devices RD, Maemo Software -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Mokomaze] Online level editor
2 Ways made me smile. nice work folks On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz wrote: On Sat, 9 May 2009 12:14:46 -0500 The Digital Pioneer digitalpion...@gmail.com (TDP) wrote: Ahh, yes, I missed that... :] Cool. :) no, it wasn't there before :)) in one afternoon we have 9 new levels :) great, thanks for the idea and for coding! -- Petr Vanek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono)
Ok another api framework for smartphones,this time provided by big guys, but which hardware?, I haven't see any reference on that in the web site. any clue any one? 2009/5/11 Jeffrey Ratcliffe jeffrey.ratcli...@gmail.com: -- Forwarded message -- From: Aki Niemi aki.ni...@nokia.com Date: 2009/5/11 Subject: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono) To: debian-de...@lists.debian.org Cc: Marcel Holtmann mar...@holtmann.org Intel and Nokia are pleased to jointly announce the oFono project (http://ofono.org), an open source project for developing an open source telephony solution. oFono.org is a place to bring developers together around designing an infrastructure for building mobile telephony (GSM/UMTS) applications. oFono.org is licensed under GPLv2, and it includes a high-level D-Bus API for use by telephony applications of any license. oFono.org also includes a low-level plug-in API for integrating with Open Source as well as third party telephony stacks, cellular modems and storage back-ends. The plug-in API functionality is modeled on public standards, in particular 3GPP TS 27.007 AT command set for User Equipment (UE). Source code is available on http://ofono.org/downloads and a high-level architecture diagram is available on http://ofono.org/documentation. To join the mailing list, go to http://lists.ofono.org/listinfo/ofono. Nokia and Intel will jointly maintain the oFono project. We'd like to invite all developers to join the oFono.org effort and community. Marcel Holtmann holtm...@linux.intel.com, Intel Open Source Technology Center Aki Niemi aki.ni...@nokia.com, Nokia Devices RD, Maemo Software -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to use mail
On Monday 11 May 2009 20:21:58 flecktor wrote: Hi one could not find in o(1) the subject names , Maybe the solution is just to put a subject in you own mails:) _ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutori al_Storage1_052009 The solution to how to read mail ? is deadly simple : STOP USING HOTMAIL ! As I think you're using windows, I can recommend you to use a real mail client like thunderbird (this is not the best I know but it is the only running on windows). More info here http://frodo.cs.bgu.ac.il/wiki/Mail/Clients/Thunderbird :) If you love webmail, the best one to handle mailing lists is horde. Unfortunately I don't know free providers using it. At last just use gmail they provide conversation grouping in a cool webmail. Regards -- Vincent MEURISSE ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
- SMS: When viewing a message, one doesn't see the name of the sender but the phone number (also when the number is saved in the phone memory) - MISC: when not in fullscreen mode (=illume enabled), one can't see the used profile in the home view ¤ SIM: An option to save messages/numbers to SIM would be awesome when testing stuff.. I keep losing SMS:s I've received. But it's the life of a beta tester, I guess :) ¤ SMS: Writing an SMS that's longer than one line makes the first line disappear from the screen when one writes the second line. Unnecessary and annoying. ¤ SMS: When viewing a message, one can click on the sender number and type a new number. Is this to forward the message? I take it's not possible yet to edit a received message before forwarding? ¤ SMS: There's no character count in SMS view ¤ PROFILES: having the 'silent' profile on I received a SMS and got audible alert. Shouldn't happen, I guess. When I have 'silent' profile selected, going to settings - phone shows me 'default' profile selected. see http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/0089ddba2f209e1bf6b8bc0f3c2279f2.png After the screenshot I changed the profile from the setting menu (default - silent) and this is the log for that: 2009-05-11 23:03:27,789 Launcher INFO profile display changed to silent 2009-05-11 23:03:27,999 Launcher INFO profile display changed to silent 2009-05-11 23:03:28,109 Launcher INFO current: default new: silent 2009-05-11 23:03:36,426 settings-service INFO current index: 0 2009-05-11 23:03:36,435 settings-service INFO new value: silent 2009-05-11 23:03:37,114 Launcher INFO profile display changed to silent 2009-05-11 23:03:37,339 Launcher INFO profile display changed to silent 2009-05-11 23:03:37,445 gui DEBUGlist sorting 2009-05-11 23:03:39,039 gui INFO renewing callbacks 2009-05-11 23:03:39,049 settings-service INFO profile set to silent ie. the profile item doesn't seem to follow the AUX changer but it works the vice versa. Some more comments inline below: On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Mirko Lindner mi...@openmoko.com wrote: - If one by accidentally presses 'Enter in the PIN input view, it just accepts it and doesn't ask for PIN again. It does not return if you enter a wrong PIN? No, I don't think it does. I now disabled PIN and restarted and I get no PIN question.. (or did I.. I don't think I did..). So now the menu says 'PIN on' but it doesn't ask for the PIN when starting. On a start or two later it asks for the pin. I presses 'Enter' and got the message 'can't init service GSM: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Unauthoriz(and then it run out of the screen..) and OK button.After this I also got the messages from GPRS and TopBar, Audio, SIM SMS failing (because GPRS GSM are down) logs here: http://pastebin.com/m37d37110 but anyway, it didn't ask again for the PIN after pressing 'enter'. So I'd suggest checking for empty PIN when pressing Enter and if that's the case, just ask it again (or at least suppress the ~7 error messages?) - wlan scan doesn't have a progress bar telling it's actually doing something I am bound to what connman provides me. I don't get any progress sadly. Should Paroli block any action until it found a network (which can be bad in case there is none)? Or should it block until the scan is done (I believe there is a signal from connman when it completed a scan)? Hmm.. Maybe a text 'scanning' until connman sends the 'completed' -signal? - There's nothing (no text/button) telling one should click in the black area to get to phonebook to select recipient in 'msgs' - '+' or 'Tele' Should it get a grey fill when no number is entered? Or an icon? Something is needed. I'm not an GUI expert.. Could your UI designed had a look at this? ¤ How to connect to a hidden WLAN network? How about encryptions? WPA,WEP and WPA2 should be handled correctly. This should also cover 90% of all cases. I would love to have a more complete interface for wifi, but am afraid I won't have the time. If there is anyone who wants to adopt the whole wifi settings part (is only one py file) let me know and I'll get him/her git access along with all the help I can provide. Right, it's cool if all visible networks are handled correctly. Support for hidden is extra but not the first priority.. ¤ Is there a way to enable illume from command line? Angus answered that I believe, but why not use the setting in Display - profile in paroli settings? I'm working on a script (Kustomizer for OM2009) to be able to set up FR as a complete package, not only simple Paroli-phone. See http://etherpad.com/zt3x1x7ERX ¤ With hundreds of phone numbers it'd be great to be able to type at least the first letter, or two-three to be able to find the Agreed search function would be nice...no sure how to implement that. A button with text 'search' that would launch the keyboard and typing would straight jump to name in the list that has matching
Re: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono)
an android without the htc? :) On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 9:34 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: Ok another api framework for smartphones,this time provided by big guys, but which hardware?, I haven't see any reference on that in the web site. any clue any one? 2009/5/11 Jeffrey Ratcliffe jeffrey.ratcli...@gmail.com: -- Forwarded message -- From: Aki Niemi aki.ni...@nokia.com Date: 2009/5/11 Subject: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono) To: debian-de...@lists.debian.org Cc: Marcel Holtmann mar...@holtmann.org Intel and Nokia are pleased to jointly announce the oFono project (http://ofono.org), an open source project for developing an open source telephony solution. oFono.org is a place to bring developers together around designing an infrastructure for building mobile telephony (GSM/UMTS) applications. oFono.org is licensed under GPLv2, and it includes a high-level D-Bus API for use by telephony applications of any license. oFono.org also includes a low-level plug-in API for integrating with Open Source as well as third party telephony stacks, cellular modems and storage back-ends. The plug-in API functionality is modeled on public standards, in particular 3GPP TS 27.007 AT command set for User Equipment (UE). Source code is available on http://ofono.org/downloads and a high-level architecture diagram is available on http://ofono.org/documentation. To join the mailing list, go to http://lists.ofono.org/listinfo/ofono. Nokia and Intel will jointly maintain the oFono project. We'd like to invite all developers to join the oFono.org effort and community. Marcel Holtmann holtm...@linux.intel.com, Intel Open Source Technology Center Aki Niemi aki.ni...@nokia.com, Nokia Devices RD, Maemo Software -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono)
2009/5/11 tammaro pamdirac palombo pamm...@gmail.com: an android without the htc? :) On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 9:34 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: Ok another api framework for smartphones,this time provided by big guys, but which hardware?, I haven't see any reference on that in the web site. any clue any one? Mumble mumble... may they join/fund FSO guys? :))) Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB port on openmoko
Hi All, I'm newbie in here, same as Mark Night I'm doing project on openmoko, I need to read data from usb sensor to openmoko (Neo Freerunner) can anybody give me an example code using QtExtended to do this? Kind Regards, -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/USB-port-on-openmoko-tp2749036p2865525.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Mokomaze] Online level editor
Could it be possible to have a import button added? Upload or just make the textarea 'level' writable and add a button to reparse it ? I closed my browser before submitting a level. Still, it remains in my FR since I tested it. 2009/5/11, ANT ant0...@gmail.com: We have 9 new levels in first evening, 7 - in second day, and 0 - in third day. I decided that it is time to bundle first revision of Extended Levelpack and I've already released it. Currently, it contains 28 levels. 8 persons are involved - thanks them. I will update levelpack regular if more levels will be shared. I suppose it is not necessary to notify mailing list about updates, so check project's homepage periodically. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Mokomaze--Online-level-editor-tp2849635p2865147.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Building om2009
Sorry if I missed this, but how to build om2009? is there instructions somewhere or a Makefile? Thanks Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB port on openmoko
On Monday 11 May 2009, Bimo Sunarfri Hantono wrote: Hi All, I'm newbie in here, same as Mark Night I'm doing project on openmoko, I need to read data from usb sensor to openmoko (Neo Freerunner) can anybody give me an example code using QtExtended to do this? That's rather an open ended question - there are many types of USB sensors with many ways of talking to them. Can you be more specific? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono)
On Mon, 11 May 2009 22:24:43 +0200 tammaro \pamdirac\ palombo pamm...@gmail.com said: android isn't linux. it doesn't count. (imho). it's a diferent os of its own that happens to use a linux kernel (and a totally different userspace where some open source libs have been ported to it). an android without the htc? :) On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 9:34 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: Ok another api framework for smartphones,this time provided by big guys, but which hardware?, I haven't see any reference on that in the web site. any clue any one? 2009/5/11 Jeffrey Ratcliffe jeffrey.ratcli...@gmail.com: -- Forwarded message -- From: Aki Niemi aki.ni...@nokia.com Date: 2009/5/11 Subject: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono) To: debian-de...@lists.debian.org Cc: Marcel Holtmann mar...@holtmann.org Intel and Nokia are pleased to jointly announce the oFono project (http://ofono.org), an open source project for developing an open source telephony solution. oFono.org is a place to bring developers together around designing an infrastructure for building mobile telephony (GSM/UMTS) applications. oFono.org is licensed under GPLv2, and it includes a high-level D-Bus API for use by telephony applications of any license. oFono.org also includes a low-level plug-in API for integrating with Open Source as well as third party telephony stacks, cellular modems and storage back-ends. The plug-in API functionality is modeled on public standards, in particular 3GPP TS 27.007 AT command set for User Equipment (UE). Source code is available on http://ofono.org/downloads and a high-level architecture diagram is available on http://ofono.org/documentation. To join the mailing list, go to http://lists.ofono.org/listinfo/ofono. Nokia and Intel will jointly maintain the oFono project. We'd like to invite all developers to join the oFono.org effort and community. Marcel Holtmann holtm...@linux.intel.com, Intel Open Source Technology Center Aki Niemi aki.ni...@nokia.com, Nokia Devices RD, Maemo Software -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono)
On Mon, 11 May 2009 23:16:59 +0200 Nicola Mfb nicola@gmail.com said: 2009/5/11 tammaro pamdirac palombo pamm...@gmail.com: an android without the htc? :) On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 9:34 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: Ok another api framework for smartphones,this time provided by big guys, but which hardware?, I haven't see any reference on that in the web site. any clue any one? Mumble mumble... may they join/fund FSO guys? :))) somehow... i just don't see that happening. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Installing *.ipk/*.opk part 2: apt-get-file
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 12:13:39PM +0200, kimaidou wrote: No I did not. But now it it done, and after a apt-get update, I still get: You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: The following packages have unmet dependencies: ledclock: Depends: python-pygtk but it is not going to be installed Depends: python-subprocess but it is not going to be installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). Is it a specific hackable:1 problem ? I don't know. I've seen that but it is not going to be installed message many times when trying to install packages (from the official Debian repository) on Debian. Apt-get is most unhelpful when it comes to error messages, basicly just saying: I know exactly what the problem is, but I won't tell you. :-( But, to try to debug the problem, what happens if you say # apt-get --dry-run install python-pygtk python-subprocess ? -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB port on openmoko
Bimo Sunarfri Hantono master...@gmail.com writes: I'm newbie in here, same as Mark Night I'm doing project on openmoko, I need to read data from usb sensor to openmoko (Neo Freerunner) can anybody give me an example code using QtExtended to do this? Hmm? You better tell us what kind of sensor it is and where the documentation for that sensor is, otherwise it's very hard to help :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB port on openmoko
sorry forget to explain about that, I'm trying to attach digital compass (OS5000-US) to the neo freerunner. bimo On 11 May 2009, at 23:30, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Bimo Sunarfri Hantono master...@gmail.com writes: I'm newbie in here, same as Mark Night I'm doing project on openmoko, I need to read data from usb sensor to openmoko (Neo Freerunner) can anybody give me an example code using QtExtended to do this? Hmm? You better tell us what kind of sensor it is and where the documentation for that sensor is, otherwise it's very hard to help :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono)
2009/5/11 Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com: On Mon, 11 May 2009 23:16:59 +0200 Nicola Mfb nicola@gmail.com said: 2009/5/11 tammaro pamdirac palombo pamm...@gmail.com: an android without the htc? :) On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 9:34 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: Ok another api framework for smartphones,this time provided by big guys, but which hardware?, I haven't see any reference on that in the web site. any clue any one? Mumble mumble... may they join/fund FSO guys? :))) somehow... i just don't see that happening. I agree with raster, surelly they want to create their own party. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono)
Yeah, that's pretty sad. They should have picked FSO or even Pyneo or at least something that is already in development for quite a while. This way it looks like NIH syndrome. Until now, trying to co-work with these guys typically went like yeah, you can take our APIs, if you want. No, we don't want to look at yours, thanks.. In contrast to that, FSO rather embraces application developer's requests. Lets see what happens this time. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB port on openmoko
bimo master...@gmail.com writes: I'm trying to attach digital compass (OS5000-US) to the neo freerunner. Can you make it work with your PC? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
2009/5/9 Angus Ainslie nyt...@openmoko.org: Hi, Another week of hard work brings a new testing image, lets hear it for the kernel, paroli and freesmartphone.org teams. As always it still has some issues ( that we are still working on ) Some issues important IMHO for daily use: *) when the display dims, touching it to reactivate results in an unwanted click event (shr handles this very well) *) no lock *) the infamous 1 pixel logout illume panel Others: *) random pixel at top of screen and around push buttons *) If there is no SIM you get 6 messages about failed services (GSM,GPRS,Audio etc.) they should collapse in a single no sim present message *) long time operations should be handled with some ui feedbacks (e.g. display profile switch/the initial paroli setup/wifi scan) *) it would be nice to have sound ticks when interacting with the UI *) device should not suspend when connected to usb cable *) if paroli has a subwindow opened (e.g. dialer) holding aux does not show settings A suggestion: switching to the illume display profile only to start applications seems excessive to me, you have two clocks, two battery indicators and less space on the screen, it would be nice to use the AUX button in a smarter way, to lock device, switch to illume launcher or other X applications, show settings and so on. The last (already asked), I'd like to bitbake and test other applications and prefer to stay aligned with om2009, so may you provide build instructions? Regards Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB port on openmoko
It looks like a simple serial device plus a USB serial adapter. If you switch the USB port to host mode (see [1], note changes in kernel 2.6.28 paths) then plug in your compass it'll probably appear on serial port /dev/ttyUSB0. You can check this using dmesg or logread to see that it was recognised. From there you can treat it as any other serial device. You should be able to find plenty of example code for that. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_host On Monday 11 May 2009, bimo wrote: sorry forget to explain about that, I'm trying to attach digital compass (OS5000-US) to the neo freerunner. bimo On 11 May 2009, at 23:30, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Bimo Sunarfri Hantono master...@gmail.com writes: I'm newbie in here, same as Mark Night I'm doing project on openmoko, I need to read data from usb sensor to openmoko (Neo Freerunner) can anybody give me an example code using QtExtended to do this? Hmm? You better tell us what kind of sensor it is and where the documentation for that sensor is, otherwise it's very hard to help :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
neovento 5 released
This is the first release of this distribution under the new name neovento. (fyp before) It got some new features like Zhemes which allows you to change the Zhone/LXDE theme easily. The second desktop is now filled with the most important application links as seen in other distributions. Furthermore this release is less memory hungry than the ones before, a swapfile isn't needed but helps of course. Have fun with it :) http://opensvn.csie.org/fyp/releases/5/ http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neovento -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/neovento-5-released-tp2866272p2866272.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono)
Hi, On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 20:08, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: Yeah, that's pretty sad. They should have picked FSO or even Pyneo or at least something that is already in development for quite a while. This way it looks like NIH syndrome. Someone is trying to make they use Pyneo on #ofone channel right now. []'s Levy/Lewis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
App Request
Hi, all. I could really use an app that will automatically answer the phone and play a message (doesn't need to take a recording, though that would be a nice feature as well) depending on what time/day it is. Obviously, it wouldn't always answer, just during preprogrammed times that I can't take calls (in my case, during classes). I use SHR, so it would need to be FSO-friendly. Anyone feel up to the task, or perhaps even know of a app that already does this? I think it would be really useful for a lot of people. -- Thanks, The Digital Pioneer -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono)
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Yeah, that's pretty sad. They should have picked FSO or even Pyneo or at least something that is already in development for quite a while. This way it looks like NIH syndrome. kettle calling the pot black... I always thought one of open source's strengths was choice. Until now, trying to co-work with these guys typically went like yeah, you can take our APIs, if you want. No, we don't want to look at yours, thanks.. This is partly due to the fact that they planned the roadmap forward in years, not weeks or months, not to mention the waterfall development style they are probably using. It might have been developed internally for quite some time before this. In contrast to that, FSO rather embraces application developer's requests. Lets see what happens this time. You tell me, is Nokia opening up and really embracing open source? http://qt.gitorious.org/qt -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Qt Software RD, Nokia Pty Ltd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono)
Levy wrote: Hi, On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 20:08, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: Yeah, that's pretty sad. They should have picked FSO or even Pyneo or at least something that is already in development for quite a while. This way it looks like NIH syndrome. Someone is trying to make they use Pyneo on #ofone channel right now. I seriously doubt Nokia would ever have python on a Symbian device, especially on S40. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Qt Software RD, Nokia Pty Ltd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
gsmhandset.state what means what?
hello everyone. can someone link me to or tell me what each of the controls actually do in the gsmhandset.state file? no need to go into the mixer or bass settings, but speaker volume during a call and microphone volume are of importance. from vanilla shr-testing output volume is horribly low. ive set a lot of the controls to there max value and now im getting responses saying my phone is too loud to the call receiver. i know where to find the .state file, but it does not match what i would like it to do. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Building om2009
On May 11, 2009 03:34:48 pm Nicola Mfb wrote: Sorry if I missed this, but how to build om2009? is there instructions somewhere or a Makefile? Thanks Nicola Hi Nicola, The build instructions are here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenEmbedded The scripts and conf directories that I use to build the distro's are here http://downloads.openmoko.org/developer/build/ Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono)
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Lorn Potter lpot...@trolltech.com wrote: Levy wrote: Hi, On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 20:08, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: Yeah, that's pretty sad. They should have picked FSO or even Pyneo or at least something that is already in development for quite a while. This way it looks like NIH syndrome. Someone is trying to make they use Pyneo on #ofone channel right now. I seriously doubt Nokia would ever have python on a Symbian device, especially on S40. Actually, Nokia is quite pro-Python. Check out these links for more info. http://opensource.nokia.com/projects/pythonfors60/ http://wiki.opensource.nokia.com/projects/PyS60_extensions Btw, an S60 device runs on the Symbian OS. An S40 device does not. ( Btw, Nokia is pro-Ruby as well :-) . However, Ruby on Symbian is not as mature as Py60 is. Read more at: http://developer.symbian.com/main/community/open_source_projects/ruby/index.jsp ) - Ajith Hussain, Senior Software Engineer, Devices RD, Nokia ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono)
max wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Lorn Potter lpot...@trolltech.com wrote: Levy wrote: Hi, On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 20:08, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: Yeah, that's pretty sad. They should have picked FSO or even Pyneo or at least something that is already in development for quite a while. This way it looks like NIH syndrome. Someone is trying to make they use Pyneo on #ofone channel right now. I seriously doubt Nokia would ever have python on a Symbian device, especially on S40. Actually, Nokia is quite pro-Python. Check out these links for more info. http://opensource.nokia.com/projects/pythonfors60/ http://wiki.opensource.nokia.com/projects/PyS60_extensions Let me rephrase that then. I doubt Nokia will ever ship python on a Symbian device. Just because someone started an open source project within Nokia, doesn't mean it will ship in a product. Btw, an S60 device runs on the Symbian OS. An S40 device does not. I stand corrected. ( Btw, Nokia is pro-Ruby as well :-) . However, Ruby on Symbian is not as mature as Py60 is. Read more at: http://developer.symbian.com/main/community/open_source_projects/ruby/index.jsp ) - Ajith Hussain, Senior Software Engineer, Devices RD, Nokia ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Qt Software RD, Nokia Pty Ltd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
Thanks Risto, I just finished my review on Sunday and made many of the same points. The good news is that (after the long boot) it was very usable as a phone. There were of course some annoyances and somethings in the IU paradigm that took some getting use to Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Hi! Thanks for this new release, really happy to see that only a short time (a week?) after the previous there's already a new release with bugs fixed. Release early, release often, as they say :) I wrote some points below to show what's good, what I concider as bug/problem and points to discuss/wishlist/something. I'm sure some of it has already been discussed, some of it is just me not knowing how to use it (which can mean that it's not easy to use or a manual/something is needed) and so on. I'm happy to receive comments! + This actually makes FR a simple, very working phone!! (I actually got a 10 min call from my mum. In the end I asked and she said there's a small echo left) + ability to turn off PIN check change pin! (I think it's the first distro that can do it :) + WLAN-tool + manual suspend + decent resume speed - some mess sometimes in the top of the screen - The button to 'go back / go to previous screen' keeps changing: In the menu there's a 'back' button (different size in different views) but in the people etc one has to know to press the top bar to go back. - Empty I/O shows an 'edit' button.. maybe it should be hidden and instead a text 'no logged events' could be shown? - keylock missing ¤ Would it be possible to add a SMS button in the 'People' - contact view. Now clicking the number calls the user (intuitive? Why clicking the name nothing happens?). Maybe adding 'dial' and 'SMS' -buttons there just to make it clear. - If one by accidentally presses 'Enter in the PIN input view, it just accepts it and doesn't ask for PIN again. - wlan scan doesn't have a progress bar telling it's actually doing something - resume doesn't turn on the screen lights - one knows it's resumed only by touching the screen - GPRS settings: if one by accident clicks 'username', 'APN', or 'password' instead of Connect, one actually has to re-type it because the 'back' button doesn't work. - There's nothing (no text/button) telling one should click in the black area to get to phonebook to select recipient in 'msgs' - '+' or 'Tele' - Slow boot time (over 4min with Qi?) - the alsastatefile (kurppa.fi/freerunner/temp/gsmhandset.state_2009t3 with Right PGA on control.63) is different from the latest 'working one' (with mic2) at http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/raw-attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset.state.new ¤ How to connect to a hidden WLAN network? How about encryptions? ¤ The numbers in the home view showing missed calls or received messages could be bigger/colorful/something or even say 'one missed call' or 'new SMS received' ¤ At some stage I saw the : in the time blinking, then it stopped. I think it either should blink or not but not keep changing what it does (without telling me what does it mean :) ¤ Is there a way to enable illume from command line? ¤ Icon that's shown before GSM network registration doesn't tell me anything. What does it actually represent? ¤ The only place where I was able to find colors was the yellow flash in the battery icon when recharging. Using colors in other places too would maybe do it easier to use? ¤ With hundreds of phone numbers it'd be great to be able to type at least the first letter, or two-three to be able to find the ¤ I got many 'can't init topbar/wlan/...' -messages telling that something failed (only on the first start) ¤ The date doesn't need the | -bars in the home view: it's | Sunday, May 10, 2009 |- the bars just make it more difficult to read ¤ Does paroli (already / in the future?) support icons in the menus? Either so that there would be a icon grid or like now but every line would have a small icon just to make it easier to use ¤ GPRS settings: Should the password be hidden? (I don't know if anyone is really interested in GPRS passwords..) ¤ GPRS settings: maybe APN should be 'internet' by default, I think it's the most common APN? ¤ GPRS settings: I'd recommend reordering the items so that the connect would be first or last in the list. ¤ I/O really doesn't tell for a normal people that it's actually the call log.. ¤ Msgs could be replaced with SMS, if something short has to be used ¤ Tele also doesn't make sense, I'd suggest using 'Dialer' ¤ How do I use the alarm? How do I change the time when to alert? ¤ Maybe also reordering the main menu so that the phone log would not be the first one? ¤ At some stage my FR just decided not to resume any more ¤ After the 10min call the UI died, I wasn't able to press any buttons, nothing happened. Then after waiting some minutes it started running again. Still the top left shows '100' instead of default or silent.. So overall, concidering that
Re: It Ain't funny [Was: Ain't it funny..]
Best of all is to avoid hyperbolic claims of totalitarian behavior all together, since the claim, if true, will never see the light of pixels, and if false, is self refuting. That's my rhetorical observation for the day. Dale Maggee wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.net wrote: Generally when I hear the word nazi used, it means totalitarian, not monster or mass murderer - think of the soup nazi in Seinfeld. That's what I meant. Not the other. *At All*. Sorry. That just goes to show the meaning has gotten diluted from overuse, doesn't it. Absolutely, to the point that I wasn't even aware that there were other meanings you could read into it, and that's why I felt like such a dick once I had this pointed out to me. Like I said, I learned something, and as a consequence I'll need to find myself a new metaphor for totalitarian... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKBRyUFbVnQRV3OEYRAqlIAKCCPMZT4yqyPLA4nRz5lp+BJ+smtACdE/dy DgRCwUfSfUNgqz5EFt9o1mk= =eS2W -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono)
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Lorn Potter lpot...@trolltech.com wrote: max wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Lorn Potter lpot...@trolltech.com wrote: Levy wrote: Hi, On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 20:08, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: Yeah, that's pretty sad. They should have picked FSO or even Pyneo or at least something that is already in development for quite a while. This way it looks like NIH syndrome. Someone is trying to make they use Pyneo on #ofone channel right now. I seriously doubt Nokia would ever have python on a Symbian device, especially on S40. Actually, Nokia is quite pro-Python. Check out these links for more info. http://opensource.nokia.com/projects/pythonfors60/ http://wiki.opensource.nokia.com/projects/PyS60_extensions Let me rephrase that then. I doubt Nokia will ever ship python on a Symbian device. Just because someone started an open source project within Nokia, doesn't mean it will ship in a product. I am not qualified to comment on that but here's hoping... :-) - Ajith Hussain, Senior Software Engineer, Devices RD, Nokia ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono)
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:09 AM, max csy0...@googlemail.com wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Lorn Potter lpot...@trolltech.com wrote: max wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Lorn Potter lpot...@trolltech.com wrote: Levy wrote: Hi, On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 20:08, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: Yeah, that's pretty sad. They should have picked FSO or even Pyneo or at least something that is already in development for quite a while. This way it looks like NIH syndrome. Someone is trying to make they use Pyneo on #ofone channel right now. I seriously doubt Nokia would ever have python on a Symbian device, especially on S40. Actually, Nokia is quite pro-Python. Check out these links for more info. http://opensource.nokia.com/projects/pythonfors60/ http://wiki.opensource.nokia.com/projects/PyS60_extensions Let me rephrase that then. I doubt Nokia will ever ship python on a Symbian device. Just because someone started an open source project within Nokia, doesn't mean it will ship in a product. Actually, the S60 All-in-one SDKs seems to support Python development (officially). So I don't feel Py60 should be seen just as another open source project started by someone within Nokia. (Source: http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/ec866fab-4b76-49f6-b5a5-af0631419e9c/S60_All_in_One_SDKs.html) Coming back to the topic, personally, I feel the FSO interface should have been adopted. D-Bus based APIs? OFono seems to be an alternate standard to what FSO already established. While choice is good when it comes to implementations, too much choice in interfaces/standards, fragments the community, and much productivity is lost in duplicating stuff. - Ajith Hussain, Senior Software Engineer, Devices RD, Nokia ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono)
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 4:38 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: Yeah, that's pretty sad. They should have picked FSO or even Pyneo or at least something that is already in development for quite a while. This way it looks like NIH syndrome. Until now, trying to co-work with these guys typically went like yeah, you can take our APIs, if you want. No, we don't want to look at yours, thanks.. 'These *type* of guys' or 'these guys'? Just wondering, was FSO in touch with them. Anyways, I am sure that the momentum of FSO wont die down because of this. :) Regards Sudharshan S Blog : http://www.sudharsh.wordpress.com IRC : Sup3rkiddo @ Freenode, Gimpnet ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: It Ain't funny [Was: Ain't it funny..]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Now you're just trying to confuse me... ;) ...I haven't received any reply to my off-list email yet... I presume you're looking into it? Steve Mosher wrote: Best of all is to avoid hyperbolic claims of totalitarian behavior all together, since the claim, if true, will never see the light of pixels, and if false, is self refuting. That's my rhetorical observation for the day. Dale Maggee wrote: Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.net wrote: Generally when I hear the word nazi used, it means totalitarian, not monster or mass murderer - think of the soup nazi in Seinfeld. That's what I meant. Not the other. *At All*. Sorry. That just goes to show the meaning has gotten diluted from overuse, doesn't it. Absolutely, to the point that I wasn't even aware that there were other meanings you could read into it, and that's why I felt like such a dick once I had this pointed out to me. Like I said, I learned something, and as a consequence I'll need to find myself a new metaphor for totalitarian... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKCQfHFbVnQRV3OEYRAvv5AJsFqi5PydVOKBxMGxbJ8px/dzkmJwCgjFfG /gWKpl45b6ZnoZaNSnPuJRI= =ij30 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
