Re: Fennec on TR4
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:57:34AM +1200, Robin Paulson wrote: 2009/5/26 Warren Baird wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca: Has anyone managed to get Fennec working on OM2009 TR4? I tried the version in the repository, and I was able to get it going and configured to use my proxy at work (through usb networking) - but so far for every page I've tried to visit (including google.com) it renders the page, and then about a second or two later it crashes. when I run it from the terminal it says 'illegal instruction'. I thought I might be running out of memory, but I added a 128mb swap space on my sd card, and it didn't help. Any suggestions for making it work? Any other browsers people would recommend? woosh is great. i'm not sure if it runs on om2009 though; deps might be missing If you manually work around it's dependencies and then opkg install --nodeps woosh then it appears to work (but I have only launched it, without browsing). Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debuzzing
I can ask Openmoko if I can get the batteries for the buzz fixes I've been doing (round about 70 now) and then send them out. I doubt they that certainly would be nice! will ship directly to you because of the overhead involved. which means overhead for you ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visit at Openmoko
Actually this seems to be plan omega you serious? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher/Home Page (Proof of concept) Working Release
c_c wrote: Hi, jahckal wrote: When i try to choose Set Application, i see Application as a title of the screen and line with sth like @hh etc. and it closes with Segmentation fault. Well, it seems like there is a problem with the parsing of the files in /usr/share/applications. Can you post your ~/.launcher/launcher.db ? I think so. I've found my icons in hidden (out of the screen) Uncategorized category. But it looks really bad, and i'm sure it's sortdesk and its subfolders in /usr/share/applications. All folders name in applications are shown with strange signs. I know of course that when i will have launcher i don't need sortdesk (and any folders in applications) but so far it is installed. Here is my http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2973476/launcher.db launcher.db . - -- jahckal -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-Home-Page-%28alpha-0.15%29-Release-tp2969146p2973476.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher/Home Page (Proof of concept) Working Release
Hi, Here's the latest ipk. Changes :- * Multitasking :-) * better layout * no more shifting of category list out of the screen * should not indicate received calls * clears sms / call indication after these icons are clicked http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2973477/launcher_0.15_arm.ipk launcher_0.15_arm.ipk -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-Home-Page-%28alpha-0.15%29-Release-tp2969146p2973477.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher/Home Page (Proof of concept) Working Release
I installed version 0.15 and it works very well. (not stress tested yet). First time starting it after installing, it contains lots of categories with names like %**. (I just deleted them) one feature request: renaming category. I want that pressing toolbars home-icon gives me launchers home, not that Illumes home. Why this is not part of illume? This is so great. -Aapo Rantalainen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visit at Openmoko
i think and hope, the moko-project would be also alive if they didn't produce a new device.. i belive, there are possibilitys, as example gizmo for you (http://www.gizmoforyou.com/e107_plugins/wrap/wrap.php?3).. they also created something like a mobilephone (no case, this must be done by the consumer :p http://www.gizmoforyou.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=3_8products_id=29) so it's possible to use open smartphones in future too :) the hope died at last ;) Am Montag, 25. Mai 2009 21.59:01 schrieb fredrik normann: Gah, give us some detailes, all PR is good PR and you should be honest to the community, better than some stupid blogrumors. -f- On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Werner Almesberger wer...@openmoko.orgwrote: Sven Klomp wrote: When I arrived, the whole office was empty. [...] I'd say your timing was perfect. Your eyes did not betray you, but it's still too early to draw too many conclusions from what you saw. I think it may take a few days before there will be any official information from Openmoko. This is all brand-new and there's still a lot of dust that has to settle, and not all of the consequences may be for the worse. So, no need to panic quite yet :) - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visit at Openmoko
Kosa wrote: Thanks Steve, Wolfgang, Sean, Brenda, Michael, Joerg, Tony Tu, everyone. Thanks. Um.. We are very much alive and well -- That's official. Thanks for caring. Regards, Will (I work here) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher/Home Page (Proof of concept) Working Release
bug in version 0.15. Remove non-empty category: these icons are then unreachable. Maybe they should be transferred uncategorised. (Actually these icons can be revived by making category with same name). Is there way to manage categories by commandline, so it can be used with script that installs many applications and categories them same time? -Aapo Rantalainen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to fix a broken AUX button ?
Am Mo 25. Mai 2009 schrieb Philippe Lhardy: Hi, I am looking for a way to fix my Neo FreeRunner that felt badly on the floor. AUX button was not soldered anymore and i definitely broke the button by trying to glue it. FWIW: SW1501,SW1701. SWITCH 4.7*3.5*1.6 SIDE PUSH SMT TYPE 4 PIN EVQPUD02K PANASONIC FOE GSM LR cheers jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher/Home Page (Proof of concept) Working Release
one more thing: i am using elmphonelog instead of pyphonelog (because elmphonelog roggs big time!) is there a way to config the executed app? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visit at Openmoko
Kosa wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I do too. I'm very sad, but the freerunner is open, so we can still do a lot with it. Thanks Steve, Wolfgang, Sean, Brenda, Michael, Joerg, Tony Tu, everyone. Thanks. Brenda wrote: It's so sweet to hear that. Brenda Wang Kosa - - Un mundo mejor es posible - Rui Miguel Silva Seabra escribió: I subscribe this message! (picture me with a big thumbs up) Thank you very much, guys! Rui Seabra, omnewrotate On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:45:32PM +0200, Marcus Bauer wrote: A *BIG*, no a *HUGE* thank you to all the openmoko employees who worked these last years without ever being in the spot light but nevertheless doing a great job!!! All the best for your future, Openmoko would not have been possible without you. You have opened new horizions and I am sure the future will prove the concept was right but ahead of its time... Thanks again for a great job, Marcus Bauer, tangoGPS On Tue, 26 May 2009 01:03:40 +0800 Sven Klomp s...@klomp.de wrote: On Tuesday 26 May 2009 00:46:27 Thomas White wrote: A not unimportant snippet of information is missing: How long ago was this? I visited them yesterday (25th). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkobB00ACgkQmveDdjvKcqjo9ACdHbiiLYL4tm/ptohnic0lKf+g JY0An0j2tY5YRJjpfY/sCJIDyrhXmXf4 =K3FW -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Visit-at-Openmoko-tp2970452p2974795.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visit at Openmoko
we are very much alive and well -- That's official. Thanks for caring is this MokoSarcasm? According to Whoiswho on the wiki almost everybody got laid off. Is the design team behind the layoffs? Are you part of the design team that took our raster already? If it's true then there is no more kernel support, no more software releases. How about customer support? Who is alive and well? The design team that cannot even design a simple functioning phone UI? Is your statement the only official statement we will hear for how long? Please don't tell me that everybody who ever did anything good for the community was fired. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Brenda Wang ccat...@seed.net.tw wrote: Kosa wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I do too. I'm very sad, but the freerunner is open, so we can still do a lot with it. Thanks Steve, Wolfgang, Sean, Brenda, Michael, Joerg, Tony Tu, everyone. Thanks. Brenda wrote: It's so sweet to hear that. Brenda Wang Kosa - - Un mundo mejor es posible - Rui Miguel Silva Seabra escribió: I subscribe this message! (picture me with a big thumbs up) Thank you very much, guys! Rui Seabra, omnewrotate On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:45:32PM +0200, Marcus Bauer wrote: A *BIG*, no a *HUGE* thank you to all the openmoko employees who worked these last years without ever being in the spot light but nevertheless doing a great job!!! All the best for your future, Openmoko would not have been possible without you. You have opened new horizions and I am sure the future will prove the concept was right but ahead of its time... Thanks again for a great job, Marcus Bauer, tangoGPS On Tue, 26 May 2009 01:03:40 +0800 Sven Klomp s...@klomp.de wrote: On Tuesday 26 May 2009 00:46:27 Thomas White wrote: A not unimportant snippet of information is missing: How long ago was this? I visited them yesterday (25th). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkobB00ACgkQmveDdjvKcqjo9ACdHbiiLYL4tm/ptohnic0lKf+g JY0An0j2tY5YRJjpfY/sCJIDyrhXmXf4 =K3FW -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Visit-at-Openmoko-tp2970452p2974795.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visit at Openmoko
we are very much alive and well -- That's official. Thanks for caring is this MokoSarcasm? According to Whoiswho on the wiki almost everybody got laid off. Is the design team behind the layoffs? Are you part of the design team that took our raster already? whoa! chill, buddy. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visit at Openmoko
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 05:38:48PM +0200, Andreas Fischer wrote: Michael Fisher wrote: hmmm, let's see here whom should I believe? A customer/user observing an empty office and talk of a layoff or waiting for the company to come up with the 'correct' words to describe the situation in order to lead us further into a big empty hole? Since OM didn't yet reply officially, there is nothing to believe. So the question is rather: Do you believe a customer observing a situation out of context without hearing the other side first? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Who_is_Who It seems to be down to the CEO, a Design Manager and a Hardware Manager. Either the company had lots of MIA in the Who_is_Who page, or right now they may not have enough time to present their side :( Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
where to buy atheros SDIO wifi card?
List, I like to buy a Atheros SDIO wifi card and can be used in laptop SDIO lot. Could any one tell me where I can buy it? ---henry ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher/Home Page (Proof of concept) Working Release
Hi, Seems like you /usr/share/applications/ desktop files are not standard. Can you send me a few .desktop files? I want to see whether the files are in binary or text. Plus then I can play with them here to see if I can parse them correctly. Thanks. Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with Yahoo! India Travel http://in.travel.yahoo.com/ -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-Home-Page-%28alpha-0.15%29-Release-tp2969146p2975529.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher/Home Page (Proof of concept) Working Release
Hi, Here's a minor bug-fix release :- * fixed initial categories not being set up correctly * added renaming categories * fixed layout a bit more - now you can get upto 16 apps in one category * all lists are now sorted * deleting filled categories sets all apps in that cat to uncategorised http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2975577/launcher_0.16_arm.ipk launcher_0.16_arm.ipk -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-Home-Page-%28alpha%29-Release-0.16-tp2969146p2975577.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.16
Hi, On my list next :- * A Clock * Program starting feedback Any ideas about how to get the starting time? And what feedback should I provide? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-Home-Page-%28alpha%29-Release-0.16-tp2969146p2975590.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visit at Openmoko
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 William Lai escribió: Kosa wrote: Thanks Steve, Wolfgang, Sean, Brenda, Michael, Joerg, Tony Tu, everyone. Thanks. Um.. We are very much alive and well -- That's official. Thanks for caring. Regards, Will (I work here) According to the wiki, you and Sean are the only ones who still work there, but you are right, you are alive :) I forgot to mention Andy, the Rasterman, Harald, Mickey, Carsten, Werner, Harry, Mirko, Graeme, Zecke and some others, so thanks to you too. You did a great work. Kosa - - Un mundo mejor es posible - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkocEsMACgkQmveDdjvKcqhcBQCfd6xJkO6CD5pKTHrrWng4k5El L80AoLID+rhdTOB4FG8BWkB/a+H5WoOe =PcOm -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visit at Openmoko
Michael Fisher wrote: hmmm, let's see here whom should I believe? A customer/user observing an empty office and talk of a layoff or waiting for the company to come up with the 'correct' words to describe the situation in order to lead us further into a big empty hole? Since OM didn't yet reply officially, there is nothing to believe. So the question is rather: Do you believe a customer observing a situation out of context without hearing the other side first? Regards, Andreas Fischer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visit at Openmoko
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Kosa k...@piradio.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 William Lai escribió: Kosa wrote: Thanks Steve, Wolfgang, Sean, Brenda, Michael, Joerg, Tony Tu, everyone. Thanks. Um.. We are very much alive and well -- That's official. Thanks for caring. Regards, Will (I work here) According to the wiki, you and Sean are the only ones who still work there, but you are right, you are alive :) I forgot to mention Andy, the Rasterman, Harald, Mickey, Carsten, Werner, Harry, Mirko, Graeme, Zecke and some others, so thanks to you too. You did a great work. Kosa Unless i'm looking at the wiki history wrong, it seems that a majority of those left openmoko were added by one user on may 25th who's only contribution was that one change. In fact I have reverted it to the previous version, untill someone provides more solid information in regards to who is still left. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Stephen LePage ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visit at Openmoko
2009/5/26 Vasco Névoa vasco.ne...@sapo.pt Hey, take it easy, stop going berserk, and wait for the announcement. They will talk to us when they're good and ready, so save your energy for then, and stop raising confusion. Be civilised. Be smart. Be silent (until necessary). hmmm, let's see here whom should I believe? A customer/user observing an empty office and talk of a layoff or waiting for the company to come up with the 'correct' words to describe the situation in order to lead us further into a big empty hole? desNotes desno...@gmail.com Sent from Tampa, Florida, United States ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visit at Openmoko
2009/5/26 Stephen LePage stephen.lep...@gmail.com: [...] Unless i'm looking at the wiki history wrong, it seems that a majority of those left openmoko were added by one user on may 25th who's only contribution was that one change. In fact I have reverted it to the previous version, untill someone provides more solid information in regards to who is still left. Oh! and the revert was the only contribution from you... nice :) Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visit at Openmoko
Hey, take it easy, stop going berserk, and wait for the announcement. They will talk to us when they're good and ready, so save your energy for then, and stop raising confusion. Be civilised. Be smart. Be silent (until necessary). Citando Moko Mania mokom...@gmail.com: we are very much alive and well -- That's official. Thanks for caring is this MokoSarcasm? According to Whoiswho on the wiki almost everybody got laid off. Is the design team behind the layoffs? Are you part of the design team that took our raster already? If it's true then there is no more kernel support, no more software releases. How about customer support? Who is alive and well? The design team that cannot even design a simple functioning phone UI? Is your statement the only official statement we will hear for how long? Please don't tell me that everybody who ever did anything good for the community was fired. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Om2009 testing releases
Hej guys, just a quick note about Om2009 testing releases. We won't follow our usual weekly schedule for now, as there are a few things that need fixing first. It is mainly stuff in the framework as well as paroli. Before these are fixed a testing release won't make much sense as it won't be stable enough for daily use. The unstable builds will continue and so will work on paroli. The GUI gets some new touches such as reworked button layout. I will focus on stabilizing what is already in paroli and try to get out some nasty things here and there. I hope that we can fix things all over the place so that the next testing could become a release candidate ;) So if you got some py knowledge, come and join #paroli on freenode, the more the merrier! :) /mirko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visit at Openmoko
Well, I, for one, am now considering my Freerunner a little treasure :) Rui On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 03:41:32PM +0100, Vasco Névoa wrote: Hey, take it easy, stop going berserk, and wait for the announcement. They will talk to us when they're good and ready, so save your energy for then, and stop raising confusion. Be civilised. Be smart. Be silent (until necessary). Citando Moko Mania mokom...@gmail.com: we are very much alive and well -- That's official. Thanks for caring is this MokoSarcasm? According to Whoiswho on the wiki almost everybody got laid off. Is the design team behind the layoffs? Are you part of the design team that took our raster already? If it's true then there is no more kernel support, no more software releases. How about customer support? Who is alive and well? The design team that cannot even design a simple functioning phone UI? Is your statement the only official statement we will hear for how long? Please don't tell me that everybody who ever did anything good for the community was fired. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visit at Openmoko
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Nicola Mfb nicola@gmail.com wrote: 2009/5/26 Stephen LePage stephen.lep...@gmail.com: [...] Unless i'm looking at the wiki history wrong, it seems that a majority of those left openmoko were added by one user on may 25th who's only contribution was that one change. In fact I have reverted it to the previous version, untill someone provides more solid information in regards to who is still left. Oh! and the revert was the only contribution from you... nice :) Nicola touché, i'm just a mailiing list lurker who is getting annoyed with the Openmoko is going out of business!!111 that seems to happen monthly, and untill something is proven, i believe we shouldn't start panickinghttp://n2.nabble.com/DON%27T-PANIC-td2847920.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Stephen LePage ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visit at Openmoko
Thanks, As you can well imagine Sean and I are working on an official statement. This time around a lot more is involved than just us writing post so please be patient. This week is pretty hectic for me and Sean, I'm travelling out of town today ( SF) and then I'll be back for an Android conference on wensday and thursday. Steve Vasco Névoa wrote: Hey, take it easy, stop going berserk, and wait for the announcement. They will talk to us when they're good and ready, so save your energy for then, and stop raising confusion. Be civilised. Be smart. Be silent (until necessary). Citando Moko Mania mokom...@gmail.com: we are very much alive and well -- That's official. Thanks for caring is this MokoSarcasm? According to Whoiswho on the wiki almost everybody got laid off. Is the design team behind the layoffs? Are you part of the design team that took our raster already? If it's true then there is no more kernel support, no more software releases. How about customer support? Who is alive and well? The design team that cannot even design a simple functioning phone UI? Is your statement the only official statement we will hear for how long? Please don't tell me that everybody who ever did anything good for the community was fired. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visit at Openmoko
Wow. So we have rumors of mass layoffs, a semi-official Wait for the official announcement announcement, and mass panic. This can only mean one thing: OM has been bought out by Microsoft for 2 copies of MS Bob and a case of Pocky. You heard it here first! *grin* On May 26, 2009, at 1:00 PM, Steve Mosher wrote: Thanks, As you can well imagine Sean and I are working on an official statement. This time around a lot more is involved than just us writing post so please be patient. This week is pretty hectic for me and Sean, I'm travelling out of town today ( SF) and then I'll be back for an Android conference on wensday and thursday. Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visit at Openmoko
No, I was not being sarcastic. People were saying their 'thank you goodbyes' so I wanted to clarify that we are still here, and there is lots of work to do. I do not know Sven and I never saw him in the office, but he has every right to interpret and share what he heard. Yes, there were layoffs. There are just enough people remaining to keep things going (literally) and Sean chose to do so over shutting everything down. Please try to see things from that perspective instead of siding with the more negative aspects. Tomorrow, what remains of us, will go to work and continue to deliver solid FR hardware, provide re-work solutions and run servers for our customers. If you feel that is not enough than please jump in and get your hands dirty. The idea of an open phone started out as a revolution -- now pick up your sticks and fight if you want it to happen. Thanks, Will --Original Message-- From: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra Sender: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org To: community@lists.openmoko.org ReplyTo: List for Openmoko community discussion Sent: May 26, 2009 11:46 PM Subject: Re: Visit at Openmoko On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 05:38:48PM +0200, Andreas Fischer wrote: Michael Fisher wrote: hmmm, let's see here whom should I believe? A customer/user observing an empty office and talk of a layoff or waiting for the company to come up with the 'correct' words to describe the situation in order to lead us further into a big empty hole? Since OM didn't yet reply officially, there is nothing to believe. So the question is rather: Do you believe a customer observing a situation out of context without hearing the other side first? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Who_is_Who It seems to be down to the CEO, a Design Manager and a Hardware Manager. Either the company had lots of MIA in the Who_is_Who page, or right now they may not have enough time to present their side :( Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visit at Openmoko
2009/5/26 William Lai w...@openmoko.com No, I was not being sarcastic. People were saying their 'thank you goodbyes' so I wanted to clarify that we are still here, and there is lots of work to do. I do not know Sven and I never saw him in the office, but he has every right to interpret and share what he heard. Yes, there were layoffs. There are just enough people remaining to keep things going (literally) and Sean chose to do so over shutting everything down. Please try to see things from that perspective instead of siding with the more negative aspects. Tomorrow, what remains of us, will go to work and continue to deliver solid FR hardware, provide re-work solutions and run servers for our customers. If you feel that is not enough than please jump in and get your hands dirty. The idea of an open phone started out as a revolution -- now pick up your sticks and fight if you want it to happen. Hurrah! *That's* the spirit! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: where to buy atheros SDIO wifi card?
hong zhang wrote: I like to buy a Atheros SDIO wifi card and can be used in laptop SDIO lot. Could any one tell me where I can buy it? Hmm, the only ones I've seen with that shape were development boards. Atheros might have an idea about whether such modules are available. If not, maybe try Accton. - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher/Home Page (Proof of concept) Working App Release 0.11
Adam Jimerson wrote: I have ran into a dependency problem with it launcher: error while loading shared libraries: libehal-ver-pre-svn-01.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory No errors where thrown during install of launcher, using the 0.15 package, I am using the 05/03 release of SHR-Testing what needs to be done to resolve this dependency, can't find anything that provides that in the SHR feeds. For using it in testing, simple do: cd /usr/lib for i in libe*.so.0; do ln -s $i $(basename $i -ver-pre-01.so.0) -ver-pre-svn-01.so.0; done However, this is a cool application. By the way what about implementing in it what I've done in shr-notifier for sound/vibration notification (both when the phone is in standby and suspended)? I've explained what I've done here [1]. The python code (as example) is in my git [2]. I'd really miss that.. [1] http://mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg46036.html [2] http://dev.3v1n0.net/gitweb/?p=shr-notifier.git -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 4
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Warren Baird wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.cawrote: to miss the call. I had another experience with epdfview where when I held the FR horizontally I had to click about 1.5 cm to the right of the 'next page' button to get it to actually go to the next page. After holding it vertically and then horizontally again, it was fine. Regarding epdfview you should find a package on www.opkg.org with the finger-scroll feature added. With that feature you can even hide the toolbar and just use the finger to navigate. You will still need a way to exit the full-screen view though. -- roby ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 4
sweet - I'll check that out... I must admit that with the illume top bar, and the epdfview menu and toolbar, there wasn't much real-estate left... Thanks for the tip. Warren On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 2:44 PM, roby hariseldo...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Warren Baird wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca wrote: to miss the call. I had another experience with epdfview where when I held the FR horizontally I had to click about 1.5 cm to the right of the 'next page' button to get it to actually go to the next page. After holding it vertically and then horizontally again, it was fine. Regarding epdfview you should find a package on www.opkg.org with the finger-scroll feature added. With that feature you can even hide the toolbar and just use the finger to navigate. You will still need a way to exit the full-screen view though. -- roby ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: I've just tried it again in my Om2008 with fresh svn e/elementary (just recompiled), but I still get the black page bug. This is quite strange since I only get this behavior with this elementary application... Who knows why... :/ I've retried it today and... I got it working also in Om2008 distros (I still use it due to its stability, I figure I'm not the only) ;) Simply use my libraries [1] and run it with: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/e17/lib ELM_THEME=/usr/e17/share/elementary/themes/default.edj intone I've simply made a wrapper script in /usr/local/bin/intone with: #!/bin/sh export ELM_THEME=/usr/e17/share/elementary/themes/default.edj export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/e17/lib /usr/bin/intone $* Who knows why it doesn't grab correctly the elm theme, but it's nice to get it there too :P! [1] http://downloads.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/openmoko/e17-illume-elementary%2bsvn20090507.tar.bz2 -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Buzz is Fixed
Hi, For some positive news, I received my FreeRunner back today from Golden Delicious Computer. They preformed the buzzfix for me and guess what? IT WORKED \0/\0/\0/\0/\0/\0/ SeeYa, Michel -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
sending SMS from paroli's People list (OM2009T4)
i just stumbled across the way to send an SMS to a particular contact. in the people screen, slide the contact name to the right, a Msg button appears, which you can press to start composing an SMS. i'm sure i'm not the first person to find this, but i couldn't find any references on the list after a cursory search, so i thought i'd mention it. i know people have asked about this in the past. i also put a note in the wiki. sorry if everyone already knows this; i thought it was really rather elegant. -- Tom Yates - http://www.teaparty.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visit at Openmoko
I always thought that people being laid off is a sign that the company is trying to stay in business. A sign of a company going down is (where I come from) sad gentlemen coming to the office and taking out the computers. Speculating in this thread is not really helping them at the moment, so just stop it. Michal. 2009/5/26 Sam Kuper sam.ku...@uclmail.net 2009/5/26 William Lai w...@openmoko.com No, I was not being sarcastic. People were saying their 'thank you goodbyes' so I wanted to clarify that we are still here, and there is lots of work to do. I do not know Sven and I never saw him in the office, but he has every right to interpret and share what he heard. Yes, there were layoffs. There are just enough people remaining to keep things going (literally) and Sean chose to do so over shutting everything down. Please try to see things from that perspective instead of siding with the more negative aspects. Tomorrow, what remains of us, will go to work and continue to deliver solid FR hardware, provide re-work solutions and run servers for our customers. If you feel that is not enough than please jump in and get your hands dirty. The idea of an open phone started out as a revolution -- now pick up your sticks and fight if you want it to happen. Hurrah! *That's* the spirit! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
New release of Enscribi - version 0.2.0
Hi, Enscribi, the handwriting recognition input method for Japanese and Chinese, has gotten bumped to version 0.2.0. What's new in this version? Not much, but at least there's now: * The Zinnia recognizer has been moved to its own process, so the GUI doesn't lock up when doing the recognition. * Color coding of different alphabets, so it's easier to find the character you're after (mostly useful for Japanese, where hiragana, katakana and kanji sometimes are very similar and hard to separate). A precompiled package for current SHR unstable is hosted at http://www.opkg.org/package_133.html. This should fix the problem with the old package that didn't work with the new EFL version. For more details about installation and usage, please see http://olofsj.github.com/enscribi/ Best regards, Olof Sjöbergh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debuzzing
Am 23.05.2009 um 18:30 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: Am 23.05.2009 um 14:04 schrieb Yorick Moko: any news on the repair? Rework has been started this week and the first units have been shipped back. A second batch has been reworked. I will test devices tomorrow and then ship out. Nikolaus Mobile Office Solutions by Golden Delicious Computers GmbHCo. KG Buchenstr. 3 D-82041 Oberhaching +49-89-54290367 http://www.handheld-linux.com AG München, HRA 89571 VAT DE253626266 Komplementär: Golden Delicious Computers Verwaltungs GmbH Oberhaching, AG München, HRB 16602 Geschäftsführer: Dr. Nikolaus Schaller Digital Tools for Independent People ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: sending SMS from paroli's People list (OM2009T4)
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Tom Yates madhat...@teaparty.net wrote: i just stumbled across the way to send an SMS to a particular contact. in the people screen, slide the contact name to the right, a Msg button appears, which you can press to start composing an SMS. Great, thanks for letting us know and adding it to the wiki! Some kind of introduction for Paroli would be great to have to point new users to.. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing releases
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Mirko Lindner vegyra...@paroli-project.org wrote: Hej guys, just a quick note about Om2009 testing releases. We won't follow our usual weekly schedule for now, as there are a few things that need fixing first. It is mainly stuff in the framework as well as paroli. Before these are fixed a testing release won't make much sense as it won't be stable enough for daily use. Thanks for letting us know this! Can't wait for next release with improved button layout etc :) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
git checkout
I confess to not being too familiar with git, however, the web site says to use the command: git checkout origin/andy-tracking after cloning the kernel project. This does not work for me. I suspect that origin must be something else. Any suggestions? -- Iain B. Findleton Tel: 514-457-0744 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: git checkout
Iain B. Findleton ifindle...@videotron.ca wrote: I confess to not being too familiar with git, however, the web site says to use the command: git checkout origin/andy-tracking after cloning the kernel project. This does not work for me. I suspect that origin must be something else. Any suggestions? Can you paste an error message? Also, the output of the following command should help: $ git branch -a Tom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: sending SMS from paroli's People list (OM2009T4)
Yeah, I agree- that's pretty cool. Maybe someone who works on Paroli could let us know if there are other cute things like this? I think these things are great, but you need some kind of visual cue to know *when* you can slide things like this... Warren On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Tom Yates madhat...@teaparty.net wrote: i just stumbled across the way to send an SMS to a particular contact. in the people screen, slide the contact name to the right, a Msg button appears, which you can press to start composing an SMS. Great, thanks for letting us know and adding it to the wiki! Some kind of introduction for Paroli would be great to have to point new users to.. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Om2009] intone not finding libehal-ver-pre-01.so.0
Hello, I have installed intone 0.51 from http://www.opkg.org/packages/intone_0.51_arm.ipk (where the dependency libelementary0 is still there). Once I launch it, the binary is missing: r...@d-a318:~# intone intone: error while loading shared libraries: libehal-ver-pre-01.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory But that lib certainly exists in /usr/lib and ldd shows the link as intact, too. That used to work before I killed my previous 2009 installation, but I cannot remember what I did to achieve that. Can someone help? -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Android] Koolu Beta7 was: Some problems with Android on GTA02
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 12:36, Marcelo marcelo.magal...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 09:11, Thierry GAYET thierry.ga...@gmail.com wrote: I have well installed th latest release Beta6 from koolu thanks to the installer. Can you try http://koolu.org/releases/beta7/ That should fix a couple of issues. Beta7 is really nice, the keyboard is too much better. Software Directory really works and the resume is fast and works. Wifi is working nice with my open AP. Thank you for the good work! Lewis/Levy. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz is Fixed
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Michel mic...@xternal.nl wrote: Hi, For some positive news, I received my FreeRunner back today from Golden Delicious Computer. They preformed the buzzfix for me and guess what? IT WORKED \0/\0/\0/\0/\0/\0/ SeeYa, Michel -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. Congratulations! I'm still waiting patiently for mine to come back :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[debian] xfce4 custom menu?
i try to create a custom menu file for xfce4 to avoid that ridiculous dynamic generation everytime one opens that menu (one has usually hit the button and then the submenus several times to make them appear). after some fighting i found a faq entry http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu but doing like suggested (even using that exo-desktop-item-edit tool) does in no way produce a menu -- only xfce's own desktop files are recognized, other, be it in /usr/share/applications/ or ~/.local/share/applications/ are plain ignored, and xfce4 does in no way offer a log or other means of understanding what happens. so, simple question, has anyone succeeded in making a usable menu for the freerunner? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] intone not finding libehal-ver-pre-01.so.0
On May 26, 2009 03:09:20 pm Marcel wrote: Hello, I have installed intone 0.51 from http://www.opkg.org/packages/intone_0.51_arm.ipk (where the dependency libelementary0 is still there). Once I launch it, the binary is missing: r...@d-a318:~# intone intone: error while loading shared libraries: libehal-ver-pre-01.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory But that lib certainly exists in /usr/lib and ldd shows the link as intact, too. That used to work before I killed my previous 2009 installation, but I cannot remember what I did to achieve that. Can someone help? -- Marcel Is edbus-ehal installed ? Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] intone not finding libehal-ver-pre-01.so.0
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 04:32:55PM -0600, Angus Ainslie wrote:
On May 26, 2009 03:09:20 pm Marcel wrote:
Hello,
I have installed intone 0.51 from
http://www.opkg.org/packages/intone_0.51_arm.ipk (where the dependency
libelementary0 is still there). Once I launch it, the binary is missing:
r...@d-a318:~# intone
intone: error while loading shared libraries: libehal-ver-pre-01.so.0:
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
But that lib certainly exists in /usr/lib and ldd shows the link as
intact, too. That used to work before I killed my previous 2009
installation, but I cannot remember what I did to achieve that.
Can someone help?
--
Marcel
Is edbus-ehal installed ?
Angus
Hello,
there is svn in library name like:
/usr/lib/libehal-ver-pre-svn-01.so.0
instead of required by intone:
/usr/lib/libehal-ver-pre-01.so.0
I created symlinks with required names with
cd /usr/lib; for i in libe*-ver-pre-svn-01.so.0; do echo $i; ln -s ${i}
${i/-ver-pre-svn-01.so.0/-ver-pre-01.so.0}; done
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Re: [Neovento-5.4] angle brackets I have, but apt-get did not.
hi Folks, Please excuse short reply. This comes to you via GPRS, on the train. Igot the new version 5.6 but some doubts. I must recheck. Really do need pointer to source in use please. clare On 5/26/09, clare johnstone clar...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:07 PM, clare johnstone clar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Arne, On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:41 PM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: BUT I have struck a problem, I can't do apt-get it says: what's the command you use? apt-get install less but wget has the problem so it must be something basic. no proxy. Hello again That was yesterday; I left it running and this morning turned on gprs and unplugged the usb and did apt-get install less and it got it and installed it. but reverting to usb with gprs off I tried apt-get update and got the same failure Err http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org unstable Release.gpg Temporary failure resolving 'pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org' and while I was writing that there are 2 new mails - from Arne and reznor. Thank you both. i will try the later release before going any further and it will be tonight as I need to leave for work soon. As to the brackets being in already, that is a worry, I didn't see them tho I hoped they might be there. So it is the usb via the PC that I need to look at. If I get a chance I will try at work, but I have never done it there. more later, thank you, clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR/OM2009] Podboy 0.0.4 (pre-alpha) release
A new release (0.0.4) of Podboy is available. Homepage moved to http://code.google.com/p/podboy/ Download url: http://podboy.googlecode.com/files/podboy_0.0.4-r0_all.ipk Happy listening, -- Valéry ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visit at Openmoko
On 26/05/2009 5:38 AM, Werner Almesberger wrote: Sven Klomp wrote: When I arrived, the whole office was empty. [...] I'd say your timing was perfect. Your eyes did not betray you, but it's still too early to draw too many conclusions from what you saw. I have to admit it's a little funny that the one customer who bothers to rock up, does so right at the 'perfect' time :) People, this project has always been fueled by passion, I doubt any of the effects are anything other than long term. Just keep doing what you are doing, nothing is going to change over night. You should know that by now ;) Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] intone not finding libehal-ver-pre-01.so.0
Hi, I posted two versions of intone, 1 with the libecore-ver-pre-svn-01.so.0 dependencies and 1 without the 'svn' libs. Both are available from the intone thread. HTH. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Om2009--intone-not-finding-libehal-ver-pre-01.so.0-tp2977246p2978440.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend
Hi, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Simply use my libraries [1] and run it with: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/e17/lib ELM_THEME=/usr/e17/share/elementary/themes/default.edj intone Thanks Marco. That was a pending bug - and I wasn't closer to finding any solution to that one. At least that's one thing solved. :-) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Intone-%280.51%29-Elementary-mplayer-frontend---updated-20-May-tp2587826p2978462.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [omgps] important updates
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 1:05 AM, mqy meng.qing...@gmail.com wrote: Although there is a thread about omgps, I think I'd list the important things here. Those who have installed previous version(s) are recommend to do a update. download url: http://omgps.googlecode.com/files/omgps_0.1_armv4t-20090527-1.ipk Important updates since first release on 2009-05-21: Wow, nice! Keep up the good work! BTw about the autocenter feature: could it update the position a bit earlier than when hitting the edge, let's say when there's 1/3 of the screen left before hitting the edge? Just to allow you to see more in the direction you're going to. THanks! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [omgps] important updates
On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 08:37 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 1:05 AM, mqy meng.qing...@gmail.com wrote: Although there is a thread about omgps, I think I'd list the important things here. Those who have installed previous version(s) are recommend to do a update. download url: http://omgps.googlecode.com/files/omgps_0.1_armv4t-20090527-1.ipk Important updates since first release on 2009-05-21: Wow, nice! Keep up the good work! BTw about the autocenter feature: could it update the position a bit earlier than when hitting the edge, let's say when there's 1/3 of the screen left before hitting the edge? Just to allow you to see more in the direction you're going to. THanks! r I would like to add my request for this as well - at the moment its not usable when driving/or riding a bike as you cant see whats coming. Even better than the 1/3, would be to offset the cursor so that 2/3 (or more) of the screen is ahead, and only a small amount is behind (none of the FR gps apps I have tried do this - but TV adds for Nokias and the like seem to show it as standard on those devices - very few people riding/driving or usually even when walking are interested in where they have been - its where they are going thats important. Sliding the map under the cursor is a much better idea than redrawing the screen when you get to the edge when moving for this reason. Even when walking, the current update method means you are always manually centring so it never gets to the edge ... so any power savings via reduced cpu are illusory as the user is always interacting with it anyway. And thats something best not done when driving/riding :) There may be scope here for a mode setting in the config - walk, drive etc - the antaris GPS chip does have settable parameters for these modes. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 4
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Mirko Lindner mi...@openmoko.com wrote: 2d) There is too much latency between pressing the AUX button during a call and any indication that the system is working on changing the volume. Ideally, what I'd like the GUI to show me is not what the current volume is, but what it will be once it has finished processing all the button presses. This is an issue happening in several places in paroli. The interface is very honest in the sense that it only shows what actually happened. Of course this means that changes are visible a bit later than in other interfaces. Should this paradigm be changed? After I read this about 2 days ago, I've been thinking about it and the conclusion is that yes, I think it should be changed. I appreciate it that the UI shows me what's happening, as you said 'being honest'. But as soon as Paroli everything behind it are stable enough that we can trust that clicking a button does what we want it to do, I think the UI should make the change as soon as possible and do the actual work ASAP after this. This applies to pressing AUX to change the profile, starting/disconnecting a call etc etc: Here's a usercase where the different approaches have been compared (action first, then UI vs. UI first then action) 0s. user presses the AUX button to change the profile from 'silent' to 'default' 0.5s. Paroli works on the the change, no UI reaction vs. Text changed from 'silent' to 'default' 1s. Text changes from 'silent' to 'default' vs. Paroli works on the profile change the user puts the phone in the pocket 1.5s user puts the phone in the pocket vs. user takes another sip of his Dr. Pepper In addition to this, in some situations one could add to 0.5s: 'user presses AUX again since there was no response when he first pressed it' - I think that immediate UI reaction gives the user the experience of responsiviness and that the phone works faster. The same goes with start/disconnect a call, loading Paroli contactsSMS from SIM etc. Since the user is often slow, we should allow him to start thinking of his next move as soon as possible and during that time do other stuff. Concerning this, I'd like to see a 'busy' light/icon/something to point out that work is being done, wait until it's finished before you try anything else. The icon would be shown when the processor load is 90% or more. This would again give the user a better experience of 'we're doing stuff for you' instead of 'hmm.. I wonder if this crashed since it doesn't react to my actions...' r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
