Re: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 A6 Audio Buzz - Quality Enhancement Service
from the website: Location: SDG Systems, LLC 219 Glen Rape Road Cranberry Township, PA 16066 Seems to be in the USA, according to googleMaps. On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 07:19, Max m...@darim.com wrote: Great to hear that... Btw, where do you actually situated?... at least information about continent you're in would greatly help in estimating shipment costs :) cheers, Max. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
In The Name Of God Thanks alot for your attentions ; 1- There is need a phone with a good sound power to have listening voice with headphone ,have calls, recieve and dial ,send and receive sms in persian language (farsi) , as for these needs first does neo freeruner fulfill these needs ? second if yes ,which one of android , shr ,debian , qtopia are better for these needs ? 2-Where can Freerunner be bought with minimum price ,in europ and asia ? 3-Can we have stream gprs from phone to pc by bluetooth by FR ? How about sending and receiving sms in persian language (farsi) on FR ? ًRegards dehqan On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 5:16 AM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.ukwrote: A few clarifications inline below: On Thursday 04 June 2009, The Digital Pioneer wrote: 1. OM phones and their software are completely open source, so they can be hacked but not like motorolas. You can edit the source codes and complie as you see fit. The hardware schematics and component placement are open too, so they even make it easy to hack the hardware. The bootloader is designed to allow new firmware to be flashed easily, and to boot from the SD card. 2. Android doesn't work completely; The open parts of android mostly work, and work is in progress to fix the bits that don't. You can check the changelogs here: http://freerunner.android.koolu.com/release-files Some of the android APIs, and apps that people think of as part of android, are closed and AFAIK won't run unless Google open them, or possibly recompiles them for armv4t 4. The phone can be dualbooted, but you're going to need a large enough microSD card to hold all the distros. I'm quad- or quin-booting, I forget which, with android in NAND and 3 or 4 others on an 8GB SD-card. That should be plenty big enough for android, qtopia and debian. AFAIK, that's all true, but I've been wrong before. ;) Me too ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: request for audiotagging
OSM yes, Openmoko Yes. There's some kind of mapping GUI at http://tui.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tui/tui/mokomapper.py?view=markup It shows buttons that you can press to add tags in .osm format: speed limits etc. I haven't had a close look at it, it was suggested to me here: http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/my-openmoko-wishlist/#comments (read the comments by pavel) I think it could be extended/completed to be a usable tool, even wehn biking. It doesn't understand the road names etc but is a handy tool to add POI's etc. Someone with .py skill please have a look at it. If one would use this mokomapper with audio recorder, it'd be a powerful combination: the most simple tags you'd get by clicking FR and then read the street names. So far I've been just recording the track with tangogps and taking photos and then sync gps and EXIF times. regarding JOSM, I wouldn't use it on FR: I want a big screen to be able to do precisely what I want, to analyze the saved audio/gps/POI data.. (and I son't know what's the status of Java on OM..) Please don't let this thread die before we have a good solution! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
2009/6/5 a dehqan dehqa...@gmail.com: Thanks alot for your attentions ; 1- There is need a phone with a good sound power to have listening voice with headphone ,have calls, recieve and dial ,send and receive sms in persian language (farsi) , as for these needs first does neo freeruner fulfill these needs ? second if yes ,which one of android , shr ,debian , qtopia are better for these needs ? It's good that you can just buy it and try yourself - but I'd think at least OM2009 should be able to do it. 2-Where can Freerunner be bought with minimum price ,in europ and asia ? You might again want to compare, ther's a list of distributors at openmoko.com 3-Can we have stream gprs from phone to pc by bluetooth by FR ? I can't see why couldn't it be done, actually I think someone have done it already. How about sending and receiving sms in persian language (farsi) on FR ? If cyrillic / russian works, I can't see why persian/farsi couldn't be implemented, unless it already works. please have a look at wiki.openmoko.org and also the mailing list archives to find more information on what's done and so on.. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 4
Do remember that each FR is a bit unique in the audio side - it's possible that the best alsastate for YOUR fr isn't around and you have to make some adjustments yourself.. I think that every FR is possible to make sound good after the buzz fix but it might involve some playing with alsamixer. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 A6 Audio Buzz - Quality Enhancement Service
He wrote that he is in the US. We also run the same program for a while for EU customers: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Buzz-Rework Nikolaus Am 05.06.2009 um 08:01 schrieb Richy: from the website: Location: SDG Systems, LLC 219 Glen Rape Road Cranberry Township, PA 16066 Seems to be in the USA, according to googleMaps. On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 07:19, Max m...@darim.com wrote: Great to hear that... Btw, where do you actually situated?... at least information about continent you're in would greatly help in estimating shipment costs :) cheers, Max. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Mobile Office Solutions by Golden Delicious Computers GmbHCo. KG Buchenstr. 3 D-82041 Oberhaching +49-89-54290367 http://www.handheld-linux.com AG München, HRA 89571 VAT DE253626266 Komplementär: Golden Delicious Computers Verwaltungs GmbH Oberhaching, AG München, HRB 16602 Geschäftsführer: Dr. Nikolaus Schaller Digital Tools for Independent People ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 A6 Audio Buzz - Quality Enhancement Service
On Fri, June 5, 2009 4:32 pm, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: He wrote that he is in the US. We also run the same program for a while for EU customers: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Buzz-Rework Nikolaus Any suggestions on a best course of action for Australian customers? Supposing we were happy to pay shipping to-from USA, how would we go about paying the return postage and what might it cost (I think it is about $AU15 to post to the USA from here, for standard airmail). Thanks, NeilBrown ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: request for audiotagging
Hi all My experience of OSM mapping : * tango gps : just gps tracks * OSM2go : live editing (get position by gps, download, view and edit the vector OSM data with synchro of the changes on upload) -- great, but a bit heavy and has no soud recording tool http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osm2go and http://comiles.eu/~natanael/projects/ (you must install first the goocanvas, then osm2go-data and then osm2go. Before loading it, you must create the conf folder with mkdir ~/.osm2go/ I really wish we have a tool as OSMtracker for our freerunners : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSMtracker It has big button, can record audio, etc. . Is there any hope one with coding skills can use it as an example to code a similar GUI and engine ? 2009/6/5 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi OSM yes, Openmoko Yes. There's some kind of mapping GUI at http://tui.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tui/tui/mokomapper.py?view=markup It shows buttons that you can press to add tags in .osm format: speed limits etc. I haven't had a close look at it, it was suggested to me here: http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/my-openmoko-wishlist/#comments (read the comments by pavel) I think it could be extended/completed to be a usable tool, even wehn biking. It doesn't understand the road names etc but is a handy tool to add POI's etc. Someone with .py skill please have a look at it. If one would use this mokomapper with audio recorder, it'd be a powerful combination: the most simple tags you'd get by clicking FR and then read the street names. So far I've been just recording the track with tangogps and taking photos and then sync gps and EXIF times. regarding JOSM, I wouldn't use it on FR: I want a big screen to be able to do precisely what I want, to analyze the saved audio/gps/POI data.. (and I son't know what's the status of Java on OM..) Please don't let this thread die before we have a good solution! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: request for audiotagging
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:57 AM, kimaidoukimai...@gmail.com wrote: I really wish we have a tool as OSMtracker for our freerunners : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSMtracker It has big button, can record audio, etc. . Is there any hope one with coding skills can use it as an example to code a similar GUI and engine ? See my previous post: There's some kind of mapping GUI at http://tui.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tui/tui/mokomapper.py?view=markup It shows buttons that you can press to add tags in .osm format: speed limits etc. I haven't had a close look at it, it was suggested to me here: http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/my-openmoko-wishlist/#comments (read the comments by pavel) I think it could be extended/completed to be a usable tool, even wehn biking. It doesn't understand the road names etc but is a handy tool to add POI's etc. Someone with .py skill please have a look at it. If one would use this mokomapper with audio recorder, it'd be a powerful combination: the most simple tags you'd get by clicking FR and then read the street names. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QT Improved - predictive dictionary
On Sunday 31 May 2009, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: Glen Ogilvie n...@linuxsolutions.co.nz wrote: Oh, one thing I noticed is it seems that the predictive dictionary on the keyboard is disabled.. Is that intentional? yes it is, but you can reactivate again by sliding diagonal: left down to right up (I think). Hi Franky, Try as I might, I've not been able to reactive this on the release from qte_20090601.tgz Do you have any suggestions? I am trying to swipe from the bottom left part of the text input box to the right top of it. Is that right? Regards Glen Ogilvie Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
In The Name Of God Thanks alot for your attention 2009/6/5 a dehqan dehqa...@gmail.com: Thanks alot for your attentions ; 1- There is need a phone with a good sound power to have listening voice with headphone ,have calls, recieve and dial ,send and receive sms in persian language (farsi) , as for these needs first does neo freeruner fulfill these needs ? second if yes ,which one of android , shr ,debian , qtopia are better for these needs ? It's good that you can just buy it and try yourself - but I'd think at least OM2009 should be able to do it. when someone here ask question ,he/she needs other experiences before buying .In Iran if i bought it and then it did not fulfill needs who will buy that from me ?i can say maybe no one in iran use openmoko phone . so i'll be thankfull someone answer exacltly . 2-Where can Freerunner be bought with minimum price ,in europ and asia ? You might again want to compare, ther's a list of distributors at openmoko.com yes there is a page : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributors But i was interested if there is a seller that sells FR less than those prices ? anda it is probable those prices have been changed ,isnt it ? 3-Can we have stream gprs from phone to pc by bluetooth by FR ? I can't see why couldn't it be done, actually I think someone have done it already. Whould let me know who had done that ?any link ?where can be that work be found ? How about sending and receiving sms in persian language (farsi) on FR ? If cyrillic / russian works, I can't see why persian/farsi couldn't be implemented, unless it already works. My problem is that in iran i dont think anyone else bought FR ,so how can i be sure it supports persian in sms ? please have a look at wiki.openmoko.org and also the mailing list archives to find more information on what's done and so on.. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
Christian Gagneraud schrieb: Sebastian Hammerl wrote: Hi, Hi Sebastian, about the conversion I cannot help you because I don't know the openbmap format. I talked with the openbmap owner about collaborating and got to the result that it will only happen in the way that openbmap can use the cellhunter data. I will not combine these two databases. There are some mails here around with reasons for that. Yes, i've read about this, and i think that it's worth logging too much data than not enough... But cellhunter will cooperate with opencellid.org which is as far as I know the largest open cellid database. And my opinion is that everyone should submit the data via cellhunter or something else to this database so there is one global one. Only with a good cover all over the world this data gets usefull. I've looked at opencellid.org website, and couldn't find any information concerning the database, how can a user access the data for example... there is an api documented at the homepage and you can download the raw data. I just saw that openbmaps imports the opencellid data so there will be the cellhunter data in in future. That's a good point, but for example, yesterday evening i've uploaded lot of data (about 5 hours sampling every 10 seconds, while moving by boat along the coast), and now i would like to reuse these data, exploit them, plot them, ... with existing web application or by writing my own tool, the API offered by cellhunter doesn't really fit my needs that's why i want to have a look at OBM's API. Do you know how often CH is imported into opencellid, and how often opencellid are imported into OBM? cellhunter ist not submitting to opencellid yet, because i have to prepare the data for that but it will happen. Sebastian Cheers, Chris Greetings, Sebastian (CellHunter developer) Christian Gagneraud schrieb: Hi all, I'm using cellhunter since few month, with which i have gathered some data (1646 cells so far here in Ireland) and uploaded to their server. I would like to give a try with OpenBmap, is there a way to convert data from CH to OBM and upload them to OBM server? I know that OBM log more details than CH but i guess that CH's data are still usable by OBM. Generally speaking, what people think about these two project? And of course the 2 billion euros/dollars question: Which one is the best? Does the 2 projects collaborate, if not are there any plan to do so? Chris. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
SNIP 3-Can we have stream gprs from phone to pc by bluetooth by FR ? I can't see why couldn't it be done, actually I think someone have done it already. Whould let me know who had done that ?any link ?where can be that work be found ? Perhaps you need to make a bit more clear what you mean with stream gprs from phone to pc by bluetooth by FR I use my FR as a modem/router for my PC. so i connect the FR to the GPRS network of my GSM provider, connect my FR to my PC over bluetooth and surf on the internet on my PC. And read mail etc. If that is what you want, then yes, it is possible. Kind regards, Ed SNIP ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: request for audiotagging
hum, this is a start, indeed. Could someone test it and post screenshots here (or anywhere else, the wiki is a great start..) ? My freerunner is in Germany for a buzzfix :(. Thanks in advance 2009/6/5 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:57 AM, kimaidoukimai...@gmail.com wrote: I really wish we have a tool as OSMtracker for our freerunners : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSMtracker It has big button, can record audio, etc. . Is there any hope one with coding skills can use it as an example to code a similar GUI and engine ? See my previous post: There's some kind of mapping GUI at http://tui.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tui/tui/mokomapper.py?view=markup It shows buttons that you can press to add tags in .osm format: speed limits etc. I haven't had a close look at it, it was suggested to me here: http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/my-openmoko-wishlist/#comments (read the comments by pavel) I think it could be extended/completed to be a usable tool, even wehn biking. It doesn't understand the road names etc but is a handy tool to add POI's etc. Someone with .py skill please have a look at it. If one would use this mokomapper with audio recorder, it'd be a powerful combination: the most simple tags you'd get by clicking FR and then read the street names. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
Hello. On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 10:14, Sebastian Hammerl wrote: Christian Gagneraud schrieb: Sebastian Hammerl wrote: I've looked at opencellid.org website, and couldn't find any information concerning the database, how can a user access the data for example... there is an api documented at the homepage and you can download the raw data. I bet he has the same issue I still have here with Firefox 3.0.9. The link list is not viewable. Try to mark all the text on the page with your mouse and you will discover those links. cellhunter ist not submitting to opencellid yet, because i have to prepare the data for that but it will happen. BTW, what will happen with the ARFCN informations then? regards Stefan Schmidt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
Stefan Schmidt wrote: Hello. On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 10:14, Sebastian Hammerl wrote: Christian Gagneraud schrieb: Sebastian Hammerl wrote: I've looked at opencellid.org website, and couldn't find any information concerning the database, how can a user access the data for example... there is an api documented at the homepage and you can download the raw data. I bet he has the same issue I still have here with Firefox 3.0.9. The link list is not viewable. Well spotted!!! :) Really, when i visited the web site, i thought it was just an empty shell (no information, no docs, no links, nothing...), and i said to myself They should rename their web site notsoopencellid.org! But with you trick, the truth appears to me! :) Thanks, Chris Try to mark all the text on the page with your mouse and you will discover those links. cellhunter ist not submitting to opencellid yet, because i have to prepare the data for that but it will happen. BTW, what will happen with the ARFCN informations then? regards Stefan Schmidt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mailing list glitch?
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 09:16:50PM +0200, Harald Welte wrote: On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 03:21:26PM -0300, Werner Almesberger wrote: Doug Jones wrote: Has this bug been there all along? Does our community's collective memory have a hole in it? Seems that it chopped the mail at the line beginning with From. Not sure where the rest ended up ... It looks like the mailman/pipermail parser is somewhat broken and considers every line starting with ^From as the beginning of a new mail (envelope-from). This is really weird, one would expect this kind of bug in the UUCP days of the early 1990ies but not in 2009. I've now manually patched the mobox archive with a space in front of the From and regenerated the archives to ensure that Sean's post is visible in full length. Regards, -- - Harald Welte lafo...@gnumonks.org http://laforge.gnumonks.org/ Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option. (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 A6 Audio Buzz - Quality Enhancement Service
I know it's unlikely somebody will accidentally send their phone to Cranberry, PA, but I'd like to point out that the SDG page for the rework says, Send phone(s) to: SDG Systems Attn: FreeRunner Rework Program 114 W. Grandview Ave., Suite 1 Zelienople, PA 16063 --Ben On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Richyklemms...@gmail.com wrote: from the website: Location: SDG Systems, LLC 219 Glen Rape Road Cranberry Township, PA 16066 Seems to be in the USA, according to googleMaps. On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 07:19, Max m...@darim.com wrote: Great to hear that... Btw, where do you actually situated?... at least information about continent you're in would greatly help in estimating shipment costs :) cheers, Max. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mailing list glitch?
2009/6/3 Doug Jones dj...@frombob.to: Has this bug been there all along? Does our community's collective memory have a hole in it? After Harald now fixed the issue, a proper URL is: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2009-June/33.html -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: boxar : New Audio Application (download or watch video)
Hi thank you for testing , glad you liked this toy Some users reported that on some distro (OM2009) it cant start because /dev/dsp is busy... how comes ? something changes on ESD ? any hints welcome... I just comited upstream ... Also any of you tested it on Qtopia based distro ? To be continued at : http://rzr.online.fr/q/esd Now , Some comments about nokia + maemo === I think there are a couple of neat software to be ported from/to maemo maybe a cooperation team would be appreciated ... BTW, did you check that Nokia is about to release a TRUE linux Phone : http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=293687postcount=1076 I Will post something neat soon ... be patient === about boxar === @Yorick: http://www.opkg.org/package_228.html @Ben: I am sure sound lag can be tuned, because it even lag on the desktop ... check the sources @Jeremy: cam Yes I noticed it sucked but was too lazy to make it again :-) -- Related Obsession : http://rzr.online.fr/q/openmoko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
LinuxTag 24-27 June Berlin
Hey, In order to offer some 'safe haven' for Openmoko users, I have applied for an Openmoko.org booth at LinuxTag. Unfortunatly due to space (and budget) constraints, there is no full booth, but I'm offering half of my existing OpenBSD booth, so both are in Halle 7.2b, Stand 111 I'll bring my workshop phones for people to play with but if there are other people who want to bring anything they want to show to the visitors, I'm looking for volunteers who want to do a shift and talk to people about Openmoko. Perhaps you want to show off your Openmoko project? Help people install SHR on their phone? Do onsite Buzz-fix? I'm open for suggestions ;-) Pierre Pronchery (Bearstech) will also be there and he'll give a talk in the free track about Hackable Devices: the new possibilities of open hardware http://www.linuxtag.org/2009/en/program/freies-vortragsprogramm/all-speakers/details.html?talkid=631 on Friday (17-18h) Perhaps one evening we could all meet up and have dinner nearby? Anyways, mail me and I'll try and coordinate things a bit. Wim. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: request for audiotagging
Well, dictators author, that's me. I'm about to add a feature to correlate your voicenotes to gps-coords via a textfile. that's all i can do with dictator. my freerunner is about to be buzz-fixed near munich, so i can't make any progress on this now. recording in background during your whole osm-mapping-ride will produce a huge wav-file which won't fit onto a regular sd-card. so beware of that. I usually stop and take notes on dead tree from time to time instead. that's the method. while walking i even don't have to stop. Any hint on how to make the created textfile more usable with the most common osm-tools would be fine! :) matthias On Friday 05 June 2009, jeremy jozwik wrote: im a regular to the OSM, but have never tried audiotagging. my guess is that this could be done with dictator running in the background behind tango or omgps. though im not sure if background recording works. On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:14 PM, ivvmm unachieva...@gmail.com wrote: Hello list, are there any OpenStreetMappers here? How to you map. I find it nearly impossible. The map in our region is rather pour and needs expanding. It is being done only by two persons, although we have drawn all the streets and many buildings in native town. We have named streets, because we do remember their names. Numbered some of the houses — that is already hard. You have to print on a piece of paper the map. And go on foot around your town and just write down the numbers of houses. That is very inconvenient, because it is slow and you can only do that on foot. No bicycle, no car because you will have to stop many times. So what's about suburbs? It is pretty undrawn. Don't know even the names of streets there. So a single thing could to do is just ride them all and put on a map at home using GPS tracks. Much more could be done with audio tagging. Please, could someone extend either TangoGPS or omgps? That will be cutting more power from battery, but that will also help more. Maybe some voice autodetection(by detecting loud noise for example). And using speex codec for minimum size? Thanks. p.s. yesterday one my friend read the name of omgps as 'OMG ps?' ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: LinuxTag 24-27 June Berlin
I'm open for suggestions ;-) What about having every distro available on one freerunner/neo1973? That makes about 11 freerunners (om2007.2, om2008(FDOM), om2009, SHR, Android, pure debian, Hackable:1, neovento, gentoo, Qtextended, openwrt). Wouldn't that be a powerful presentation of how free this piece of hardware is? I'd provide my freerunner for that. matthias ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: request for audiotagging
2009/6/5 matthias matthiasfels...@web.de: recording in background during your whole osm-mapping-ride will produce a huge wav-file which won't fit onto a regular sd-card. so beware of that. 22kHz, 1 channel, 16 bit is 2.5MB/min - this is more than good enough quality for picking out words, etc a two hour trip would be ~280Mb. no problem we could probably go down to 11kHz, 8 bit, and not have problems - this would be 35MB/hr or, to save more space, would the freerunner be capable of encoding mp3? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: request for audiotagging
On Friday 05 June 2009, Robin Paulson wrote: 2009/6/5 matthias matthiasfels...@web.de: recording in background during your whole osm-mapping-ride will produce a huge wav-file which won't fit onto a regular sd-card. so beware of that. 22kHz, 1 channel, 16 bit is 2.5MB/min - this is more than good enough quality for picking out words, etc a two hour trip would be ~280Mb. no problem we could probably go down to 11kHz, 8 bit, and not have problems - this would be 35MB/hr or, to save more space, would the freerunner be capable of encoding mp3? I don't see why not, although a voice-specific codec like speex or gsm might be better. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: request for audiotagging
matthias wrote: Well, dictators author, that's me. Hello, thank you very much for your app! recording in background during your whole osm-mapping-ride will produce a huge wav-file which won't fit onto a regular sd-card. so beware of that. Please, make it produce not wave, not flac, not mp3 not ogg. Make it produce speex for speed and very little space. It was designed for voice. Visit http://www.speex.org/ for more information about it. It is a free-as-in-freedom codec developed by those who developed ogg vorbis codec. Thank you. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: LinuxTag 24-27 June Berlin
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:01 PM, matthias matthiasfels...@web.de wrote: I'm open for suggestions ;-) What about having every distro available on one freerunner/neo1973? That makes about 11 freerunners (om2007.2, om2008(FDOM), om2009, SHR, Android, pure debian, Hackable:1, neovento, gentoo, Qtextended, openwrt). On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Giovannipino.o...@gmail.com wrote: You forgot Slackware, with ArmedSlack: http://www.armedslack.org/ :) I think you forgot also some other distributions, some are listed here, some not: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions I don't know why would you show the unsupported, old, broken distributions like OM2007 or OM2008.. But as an idea it's great to show what are the things FR can do, but if you do, please either show something that works most of the time so the people trying it get the feeling they have something that works (- the reason I wouldn't recommend you showing broken software that crashes etc etc..). I think it's important for us to take FR to 'places it has not been before', reach new people slowly, as the software matures, as FR:s are still available, and especially when there's no need for buzzfixes made by customer.. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)
On Friday 05 June 2009, Christoph Pulster wrote: It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in support of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with support in areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal side (trademarks). Please remember the patent infridgements concerning MP3 (www.sisvel.it). Openmoko Inc. did not solve this issue until today. As a result, all sales inside EU are patent infridgments, all reseller inside EU community have to live with the fact, that local customs seize their Freerunner order anytime. Openmoko removed the mp3 codecs from the images they supply, and from their repositories, causing frustration for many. I don't know what image they now ship with, but would be surprised if they haven't removed the mp3 codecs from that too. If it doesn't contain the codec it can't infringe the patent. What more do you expect them to do? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: LinuxTag 24-27 June Berlin
Giovanni ha scritto: You forgot Slackware, with ArmedSlack: http://www.armedslack.org/ :) Sorry for my ignorancebut either in the wiki or ML I read about this distro and subscribed to the armedslack ML but there is no place where Freerunner is considered to run it, can someone point me for an installer/howto? Thank you in advance ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 05:02:29 am Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: It's been a while, but we haven't been sleeping :-) Thanks so much for all this work Franky, et. al! One thing I've noticed (after playing around with the other distros) is that it seems like QtMoko takes a lot longer to resume from suspend than my older 2.6.24 based QtEI I was running (though the other bug fixes more than make up for it!). If I try the older kernel (uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin) will that break anything in the QtMoko image or install ? cheers, Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 A6 Audio Buzz - Quality Enhancement Service
Hi Dan. We are glad to be able to help with the resolution of this issue. Regarding the invisible shield, if it's not easily removed we will carefully work around it but cannot guarantee that it will not be damaged during the repair. In regard to the other fixes you mentioned, since we do not have the specs for those fixes, we will not be able to complete them for you. Please let me know if you have any further questions. Thanks, Brian On Jun 5, 2009, at 1:16 AM, Staley, Daniel L wrote: Thank you for doing this! I have a full body invisible shield on my freerunner, is this okay to send in? It can still be opened per usual, but I just wanted to make sure it was okay first. Is there any way we could perhaps pay extra and get the GPS capacitor, Bass Fix, and Recamping fix as well? If not, thats finethe buzz fix is really the only one that mattersthe others have good enough software work-arounds. Thanks again! -Dan Staley From: Brian Fuller [bful...@sdgsystems.com] Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 5:07 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 A6 Audio Buzz - QualityEnhancement Service Hello Openmoko Community! As users of the Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 A6, you may have experienced an audio buzz while making a phone call. Openmoko has identified the issue and upgraded the hardware to fix this issue. The GTA02 version A7 phones are now available and include this fix. In response to this audio buzz issue, Openmoko has implemented a program by which owners of GTA02 version A5 A6 FreeRunners can have their phones reworked to an electrical revision similar to version A7. All owners of version A5 A6 FreeRunners are eligible for this program. SDG Systems (SDG), the US Master Distributor of the FreeRunner, will be performing the necessary revision work. To review the details of this program and to participate, please go to the SDG online store located at www.sdgsystems.com, select Openmoko on the Catalog page, select Buy Now for the Neo FreeRunner versions A5 A6 Audio Buzz - Quality Enhancement Service, and complete the registration and checkout process. For each phone returned for rework, you will receive a complimentary FreeRunner replacement battery to offset your shipping fees. For those interested in purchasing additional phones, coupon code 5CZ8HT54, redeemable only at the SDG online store, is available for $30 off the retail price of $389 for the version A7 FreeRunner. The coupon code has no quantity restrictions and expires on 7/31/09. Participants' phones needing reworked MUST be returned to SDG by Wednesday, July 15, 2009, to qualify for this program. For any additional assistance or questions, please email buzz...@sdgsystems.com . We appreciate your cooperation as we work to resolve this matter. Sincerely, SDG Systems Koolu, Inc. Brian Fuller SDG Systems (http://sdgsystems.com/) Main: 1-724-452-9366 Direct: 1-724-647-0119 Ext. 107 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:03:35 pm Chris Samuel wrote: If I try the older kernel (uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin) will that break anything in the QtMoko image or install ? Well I've just given it a shot and it feels like it's roughly halved the amount of time it takes the phone to resume, which is great! -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
On Friday 05 June 2009, a dehqan wrote: In The Name Of God Thanks alot for your attentions ; 1- There is need a phone with a good sound power to have listening voice with headphone ,have calls, recieve and dial ,send and receive sms in persian language (farsi) , as for these needs first does neo freeruner fulfill these needs ? Sound is generally equivalent to other phones I have used, but changing the volume settings if the provided ones don't suit you is not simple yet. There are a few problems to be aware of with sound too: * Buzz - Under some circumstances the person at the other end of the call may hear buzz as well as your voice. This can vary from quiet to loud. There is a fix for this on the handset mic, but not for the wired headset. You should check with the reseller that you are buying one with the fix applied. * Weak bass on wired headset - this is not a problem for voice, but isn't so good for music. A workaround for the wired headset problems is to use a bluetooth headset, but AFAIK none of the distros has a GUI for this yet. The current distros generally send and receive calls and SMS without too many problems, though bugs do crop up from time to time as some of the software is changing quickly. Some people are happy to use it as an everyday phone, while for others it is missing features they consider vital. There is no general agreement on which is best, though Qtopia is probably most similar to a conventional phone. If you are expecting something that has a polished interface and behaves like a conventional smartphone you will be disappointed. If you want a small handheld computer with phone capabilities and an unprecedented level of control, but which requires some dedication to get the best out of, you will probably be happy. I can't comment on whether it is usable with farsi, but it is possible nobody has tried. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Chris Samuel ch...@csamuel.org wrote: On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:03:35 pm Chris Samuel wrote: If I try the older kernel (uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin) will that break anything in the QtMoko image or install ? Well I've just given it a shot and it feels like it's roughly halved the amount of time it takes the phone to resume, which is great! well, there we're indeed dependent on the kernel itself. Is this a stable 2.6.28-based kernel? Frabjt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: request for audiotagging
I tried to get ogg-encoding working, but as I'm limitted to Python and the python-wrapper for ogg-encoding simply do not work when it comes to encoding, i gave it up. I know about speex but until now there was no chance to get pyspeex on my freerunner. If there's anything I've missed, making speex-encoding really easy to do, please please please point me towards that. matthias ivvmm schrieb: matthias wrote: Well, dictators author, that's me. Hello, thank you very much for your app! recording in background during your whole osm-mapping-ride will produce a huge wav-file which won't fit onto a regular sd-card. so beware of that. Please, make it produce not wave, not flac, not mp3 not ogg. Make it produce speex for speed and very little space. It was designed for voice. Visit http://www.speex.org/ for more information about it. It is a free-as-in-freedom codec developed by those who developed ogg vorbis codec. Thank you. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
2009/6/5 a dehqan dehqa...@gmail.com In The Name Of God Thanks alot for your attentions ; 1- There is need a phone with a good sound power to have listening voice with headphone ,have calls, recieve and dial ,send and receive sms in persian language (farsi) , as for these needs first does neo freeruner fulfill these needs ? second if yes ,which one of android , shr ,debian , qtopia are better for these needs ? 2-Where can Freerunner be bought with minimum price ,in europ and asia ? 3-Can we have stream gprs from phone to p c by bluetooth by FR ? How about sending and receiving sms in persian language (farsi) on FR ? There general problem with RTL languages (Farsi, Hebrew, Arabic) in all illume based distros (OM2009 SHR, FSO), it's being solved but can't say where this work will finished. Debian have decent support for Farsi AFAIK. But I dont know about telephony apps. For sending SMS/E-mail you have to use Farsi onscreen keyboard, I havn't seen one, but it's relatively easy to make one. Regards, Evgeniy. -- So long, and thanks for all the fish. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
In The Name Of God Thanks alot for your exact attentions ; Yes kapetein that was the need . On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: On Friday 05 June 2009, a dehqan wrote: In The Name Of God Thanks alot for your attentions ; 1- There is need a phone with a good sound power to have listening voice with headphone ,have calls, recieve and dial ,send and receive sms in persian language (farsi) , as for these needs first does neo freeruner fulfill these needs ? Sound is generally equivalent to other phones I have used, but changing the volume settings if the provided ones don't suit you is not simple yet. There are a few problems to be aware of with sound too: * Buzz - Under some circumstances the person at the other end of the call may hear buzz as well as your voice. This can vary from quiet to loud. There is a fix for this on the handset mic, but not for the wired headset. You should check with the reseller that you are buying one with the fix applied. * Weak bass on wired headset - this is not a problem for voice, but isn't so good for music. A workaround for the wired headset problems is to use a bluetooth headset, but AFAIK none of the distros has a GUI for this yet. ok no problem with not being gui . The current distros generally send and receive calls and SMS without too many problems, though bugs do crop up from time to time as some of the software is changing quickly. Some people are happy to use it as an everyday phone, while for others it is missing features they consider vital. There is no general agreement on which is best, though Qtopia is probably most similar to a conventional phone. If you are expecting something that has a polished interface and behaves like a conventional smartphone you will be disappointed. If you want a small handheld computer with phone capabilities and an unprecedented level of control, but which requires some dedication to get the best out of, you will probably be happy. no gui is not important for me ,just there is need some time in day to have safe call ,send and rec sms and voice . but another question ,how about androide ?koolu has been installed on it ... anda how about price ,what do you think ,will it's price decrease ? where can Fr with min price be found ?under 330$ ? I can't comment on whether it is usable with farsi, but it is possible nobody has tried. yes but no problem if openmoko will be better and stable in future . ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Regards dehqan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.20
The toolbar in illume's settings is easier to use because it doesn't scroll vertically. I know. But I don't know how to stop that. Michael Zanetti wrote: I've noticed this in other apps too. All lists scoll slower if the smooth-bounce-back-at-end feature is enabled. Can't seem to stop that either. Hmmm. Help Needed! in python it's[1]: sc = elementary.Scroller(parent) sc.bounce_set(bool X, bool Y) in c (derived from [1], look at the bottom): elm_scroller_bounce_set(self.obj, h_bounce, v_bounce) [1] http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/BINDINGS/python/python-elementary/elementary/elementary.c_elementary_scroller.pxi Hope that helps, Cameron 'Toaster' Frazier ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Popping up virtual keyboards via PyGTK, double click rate
Al Johnson wrote: On Thursday 04 June 2009, David Ford wrote: I've been told that telling the widget to grab the focus should pop up the virtual keyboard, but it has yet to happen. Not quite - it responds to various X atoms being set. This post has some more info, including c code. You may need to check the illume source for the complete list of atoms. http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg41666.html community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Well, if you don't want to implement this only for an application, you only have to add the libmb-im-invoker.so under the gtk lib immodules dir. It's included in the opkg package matchbox-keyboard-im. By the way the gtk libraries have a bug, since they don't allow the keyboard to pop-up (i.e. don't send the focus callback) if the selected entry has no visibility (i.e. if it is a password field). Bye -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
Hi, Sebastian Hammerl wrote: about the conversion I cannot help you because I don't know the openbmap format. This is most probably doable, just a matter of converting it. What annoys me, is that ch will upload to oci, we will import oci data on regular basis. If we import the data from ch, we have to detect ch data in oci data when importing. Which makes more work. I talked with the openbmap owner about collaborating and got to the result that it will only happen in the way that openbmap can use the cellhunter data. I will not combine these two databases. There are some mails here around with reasons for that. Please see the email from Stefan, about elaborating on this. But cellhunter will cooperate with opencellid.org which is as far as I know the largest open cellid database. Not anymore, now that we have the data from oci, obm is the largest database ;-) . Why did we import it? We think the data from oci could be of better quality with some additions. So far, we could not get an agreement about this from Thomas. So we still aim at people logging through obm for better quality. But to propose right now the best coverage to our users, we use oci data too, where no obm data is available. But the idea is to replace it with obm data with time, as it comes in. And my opinion is that everyone should submit the data via cellhunter or something else to this database so there is one global one. Only with a good cover all over the world this data gets usefull. I disagree. Without a good quality, you will end up with lot of data (possibly) unuseful because less accurate, or corrupted (through buggy logging software, for example). Coverage is not the key by itself. And we proposed to merge our database in oci (with the extra fields we are interested in), but we did not get an answer about this. So if we upload to oci, we can only upload the smaller number of supported fields, thus we help building a less accurate database than we have. It does not make any sense to me. I just saw that openbmaps imports the opencellid data so there will be the cellhunter data in in future. Cool, you make the announcement for us ;-) Joke aside, Nick is finishing testing it, that is the reason we did not talk about this so far. Onen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
Hi, Christian Gagneraud wrote: I'm using cellhunter since few month, with which i have gathered some data (1646 cells so far here in Ireland) and uploaded to their server. Thanks for the contributions! I would like to give a try with OpenBmap, is there a way to convert data from CH to OBM and upload them to OBM server? Please see my response in the other email (about detecting ch data in importing oci if we import ch data too). I know that OBM log more details than CH but i guess that CH's data are still usable by OBM. That is correct. And if the ch data ends up in oci, then we will import it indirectly. Onen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
In The Name Of God Thanks alot ; Isn't there arabic keyboard else ? would you tell what are the problems ? Now is it possible to send arabic or farsi sms or not ? I'm not programmer and maybe can not do anything for that . Regards dehqan On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Evgeniy Ginzburgnad@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/5 a dehqan dehqa...@gmail.com In The Name Of God Thanks alot for your attentions ; 1- There is need a phone with a good sound power to have listening voice with headphone ,have calls, recieve and dial ,send and receive sms in persian language (farsi) , as for these needs first does neo freeruner fulfill these needs ? second if yes ,which one of android , shr ,debian , qtopia are better for these needs ? 2-Where can Freerunner be bought with minimum price ,in europ and asia ? 3-Can we have stream gprs from phone to p c by bluetooth by FR ? How about sending and receiving sms in persian language (farsi) on FR ? There general problem with RTL languages (Farsi, Hebrew, Arabic) in all illume based distros (OM2009 SHR, FSO), it's being solved but can't say where this work will finished. Debian have decent support for Farsi AFAIK. But I dont know about telephony apps. For sending SMS/E-mail you have to use Farsi onscreen keyboard, I havn't seen one, but it's relatively easy to make one. Regards, Evgeniy. -- So long, and thanks for all the fish. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mailing list glitch?
Harald Welte wrote: On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 03:21:26PM -0300, Werner Almesberger wrote: Doug Jones wrote: Has this bug been there all along? Does our community's collective memory have a hole in it? Seems that it chopped the mail at the line beginning with From. Not sure where the rest ended up ... It looks like the mailman/pipermail parser is somewhat broken and considers every line starting with ^From as the beginning of a new mail (envelope-from). This is really weird, one would expect this kind of bug in the UUCP days of the early 1990ies but not in 2009. This is a test message. From this point on, will it be truncated in the archive? I did a cursory search of the mailman-user archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ but didn't find any reference to this bug. I suppose we should report it to them. Apparently they don't have a bug tracker, just the lists. I imagine the code doesn't change very often. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 A6 Audio Buzz - Quality Enhancement Service
Max wrote: Great to hear that... Btw, where do you actually situated?... at least information about continent you're in would greatly help in estimating shipment costs :) cheers, Max. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community They are in the US. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pat Meier
Christoph, I will politely ask you to retract your comments about Pat. Each and every press release issued by Openmoko was written by me and issued with my approval and Sean's approval. Pat is in charge of the mechanics of getting those releases distributed and covered by the press. As PR she would make editorial suggestions, but in the end the words are approved by me and sean and in the case of quotes, the quotes are approved by the person being quoted. If you consider the words to be BS, then you are entitled to your opinion. I am responsible for each and every word. I'm responsible for generating the information, not Pat. Basically it works like this. I want to to do a press release. I talk with Pat and we discuss whether the item is newsworthy in our estimation. Steve ate breakfast may be a fine tweet, but it isn't news. Then if we agree it is newsworthy, I write the release. Sean reviews it and when he and I come to agreement we go back to Pat and ask her to put the release out Her name goes at the bottom of the release. Not because the words are hers, but because she is the Press Contact. That means the press contacts her when they want to talk to me or sean. Christoph Pulster wrote: I've copied pat meier Johnson our PR person on the thread. Like you we believe there is a great positive story here. IMO Pat Meier is the typical Public Relation crap and does not match to the company philosophy of Openmoko Inc. at all. I just checking some announcements of the past of Pat Meier concerning Openmoko and realize they have a lot of fantasy and free imagination to create facts and words. I dont like these kind of bullshit information generators. Christoph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RFC Using MPX for accelerometers
I've had an idea that might not be so bad. MPX is due for the next release of Xorg, so why not use it for the accelerometers, it could create a somewhat standard interface for the applications (think about compatibility for other devices than the freerunner) to see the state of the accelerometers. An application that is fullscreen/selected could just grab the input and release it if it is no more selected. The nice thing is that application not compatible with Xi2 would not see the device if it is configured as additionnal pointer and not default one. If an application needs only pattern recognitions and not the position of the pointer, we could create a lib, so that it could be portable for other devices. So comments about that idea? ^^ signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Do I need the buzz-fix?
Hey all, I'm getting a bit confused about whether I need to get the buzz-fix operation done. Since I switched to http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset-a7.state a few days ago I've generally been satisfiied with my audio quality - a couple of people I've called have mentioned a small amount of buzz on occasion, but that the audio quality was tolerable. With most other state files I've had so much static on the line people on the other end could barely understand me. In http://n2.nabble.com/Debuzzing-tp2736682p3005844.html - Dr. N stated The Buzz rework is only required if you have the Buzz problem. If your device does not, there is no need to rework. My personal estimate is that 5% of users have experienced it. However, I've seen other statements like arne anka in http://n2.nabble.com/Debuzzing-tp2736682p3007627.html state conclusion: everyone having access to the buzz fix should take hold of it. Is there some consensus on this? Should everyone get the buzz-fix? If not - how do I tell if I should get the buzz fix. Thanks, Warren -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner's Future
Thanks Christoph for your clarification. I have a minor quibble with your characterization. When Openmoko started as a project in FIC, it started with a Vision. That vision was to create a open mobile phone. Its the job of marketing to message that vision to the customer. Thats what we did. Very early on, however, we realized that we could position the product ( not the company) in one of two ways: 1. Its a mobile Phone First, and a multi purpose platform secondarily 2. Its a multi purpose platform first, and a phone secondarily. If you read carefully through interviews and materials we put out you'll see that we chose #1 as opposed to number two. That is, we choose to emphasize the phone aspects as opposed to the multi purpose aspects. Over an over again you will hear us saying that its more than a phone. But, this message was not in the foreground. That was a marketing decision that was hard to make. The problem with #2 as I saw it was this: When openmoko started it started with Sean's Vision. Free the Phone. For me as marketing to insist that we market this vision like #2 didnt make much sense. It's something that we struggled with throughout the life of neo 1973 and FR. Should we change our message about the phone and call it a multi purpose device? should we change the vision of the company? If we suddenly call FR a multi-purpose platform after years of saying it was a phone, what would the community say. From late 2007 when Wolfganag and I joined to early 2008, before the launch of FR, Wolfgang, Sean and I debated this exact issue. And we even considered shipping FR with a Bootable linux and nothing else. The way I viewed it was this. If we keep pushing down the phone path eventually the vision will come true. So we tried everything to keep that vision alive, paring back on the software ( back to the basics) the downside here was this: We might fail to deliver according to the schedules we promised. On the other hand, if I switched the message to hey its multi purpose platform then people would ask what about the phone you promised? Its basically a no win situation. On one hand we promise a phone and come up short, on the other hand we change our promise altogether. In the end I own this marketing decision and any blame you want to ascribe to it. As I saw it as long as I work dilgently to keep the promise and vision alive I am doing the right thing. So even now as I try to enable people to carry the vision forward, whether its 5 guys working on Gta02 or other things I am working on, I am working to keep that original promise. I could have choosen the other path. I could have said hey, I know we designed it as a phone, promised a phone from day one, but what the heck, lets just call it a multi purpose platform In the end at the Embedded systems conference we gave this message a try. On a personal note. I'd like to thank you for your support and hard work. Christoph Pulster wrote: the best path foreword is to turn the future of the Freerunner over to the community. I always have problems to define community. Speaking in numbers, I see ONE active Mailinglist (here) and nothing more worth to mention. The GTA03core list consists of 5 active people feeding some strange CAD software, this community list has -lets guess- 1000 active everydayt readers and 100 contributors, that's all !? Based on this, your idea to base the future of the Freerunner to a community is a dead born baby. IMO you say community but you mean VAR = value-added-resellers. Openmoko's big marketing mistake was to announce Freerunner as a mobile phone instead a FOSS based multi-purpose plattform. No VAR's, no sales. Thats the sad point we have reached now. Christoph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)
true, But although I didn't do any actual testing myself, I read that conversion mp3--ogg sometimes doesn't sound good y On 6/5/09, Pieter Colpaert freep...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's a bad idea in general to discuss the topic. MP3's are non free and should not be used by any openmoko-user. As myself I don't got any mp3 on my computer, I only use ogg. The only disadvantage of ogg is: you won't be able to share it with lots of friends, due they probably use mp3. But as a matter of fact, sharing mp3's with friends is not concidered very legal. So... There is no problem not using any mp3's on the openmoko. The solution for people wanting to use openmoko as there music device: let's create a music uploader for OM2009 SHR (on your pc: so should have a version for linux as well as for mac and wyndaws): The main screen should give us a selector list of all songs on your pc, no matter if they're mp3/ogg/wav/etc when uploaded (through scp, that's easy I guess) they get automatically converted to ogg, which is a quite good standard to use on the openmoko. So no problems selling openmoko anymore huh? Pieter On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 15:16 +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: pattens as are now a days is a real PITA, no matter if you don't have the libraries installed in the device,if you are cached by those pirate... sorry pattens agencies in customs they just have to say to the court the device is suitable to play mp3 and you don't have license, and your parcel will be retained for months/years, no matter the court final decision, you as reseller are fucked because you have payed for a material you cannot touch. So orl you arrive an agreement with the agency (+money,-less time) or wait for the lottery of the court and cross your fingers to have a judge a little bit more techy than the average, because if not, your parcel will be returned by default, and if the judge has a bad day you surely will pay a penalty. Once was said OM was in sue trying to resolve this but I have no more info on that for a long time. 2009/6/5 Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk: On Friday 05 June 2009, Christoph Pulster wrote: It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in support of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with support in areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal side (trademarks). Please remember the patent infridgements concerning MP3 (www.sisvel.it). Openmoko Inc. did not solve this issue until today. As a result, all sales inside EU are patent infridgments, all reseller inside EU community have to live with the fact, that local customs seize their Freerunner order anytime. Openmoko removed the mp3 codecs from the images they supply, and from their repositories, causing frustration for many. I don't know what image they now ship with, but would be surprised if they haven't removed the mp3 codecs from that too. If it doesn't contain the codec it can't infringe the patent. What more do you expect them to do? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)
I am somewhat constrained in what I am able to say. On one view there is the position, held by some, that any hardware that is merely CAPABLE of mp3 decode is required to apply for a license. MP3 was removed from our images long ago and from the repositories. The requirements of the license agreement, without going into details, were beyond our financial means. Al Johnson wrote: On Friday 05 June 2009, Christoph Pulster wrote: It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in support of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with support in areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal side (trademarks). Please remember the patent infridgements concerning MP3 (www.sisvel.it). Openmoko Inc. did not solve this issue until today. As a result, all sales inside EU are patent infridgments, all reseller inside EU community have to live with the fact, that local customs seize their Freerunner order anytime. Openmoko removed the mp3 codecs from the images they supply, and from their repositories, causing frustration for many. I don't know what image they now ship with, but would be surprised if they haven't removed the mp3 codecs from that too. If it doesn't contain the codec it can't infringe the patent. What more do you expect them to do? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 21:25, Ken Youngr...@cfa.harvard.edu wrote: dehqa...@gmail.com wrote: [...] I'm not programmer and maybe can not do anything for that . I think it is very unlikely that you will be able to get an Openmoko phone to work for you with Farsi text unless you able to do some programming, or at least port some code. (Afsoos mikhoram!) Ken Young SHR supports UTF-8 and RTL languages. Isn't that enough? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
Hi, Christian Gagneraud wrote: Sebastian Hammerl wrote: I just saw that openbmaps imports the opencellid data so there will be the cellhunter data in in future. That's a good point, but for example, yesterday evening i've uploaded lot of data (about 5 hours sampling every 10 seconds, while moving by boat along the coast), and now i would like to reuse these data, exploit them, plot them, ... with existing web application or by writing my own tool, the API offered by cellhunter doesn't really fit my needs that's why i want to have a look at OBM's API. You can find the Web based API from obm here: http://realtimeblog.free.fr/api/openbmap_api.php Feel free to tell if this does not fit your needs. Let me know what you need, to see what I can do for you. I also have a prototype of D-bus service running on the phone, which uses local database built on top of obm data, to get my position. This is only a proof of concept, but it works. Do you know how often CH is imported into opencellid, and how often opencellid are imported into OBM? We import oci data in order to built better service right now to our users (see my other email for details). But we don't plan to do this very often. If you want to see your data in obm, the best way is to upload directly to it for sure. It gets processed right away. Cheers, Chris Onen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
Hi, Stefan Schmidt wrote: cellhunter ist not submitting to opencellid yet, because i have to prepare the data for that but it will happen. BTW, what will happen with the ARFCN informations then? That is a very good point. As I stated in another email on this thread, if we would upload obm data to oci, we could only upload the subset of data it supports. This annoys me, because if ch uploads to oci, and then obm import oci data, we lose some infos :-( But if we import ch data directly, we have to manage not to import from oci data, what comes from ch, which is more work... Onen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
Hi, thanks for the nice comments! Yorick Moko wrote: My personal preference goes out to openBmap, because I think they combine quality and quantity; quality: they log the most data (they are even working on TA) quantity: they have all the cells of cellhunter and opencellid For now, we only have the cells from oci, just to avoid misunderstanding. I could be mistaken but from what i heard from onen (the creator of openBmap) on ML and irc, I got the impression that he DOES want to work together, just not only sharing data, but i could be wrong For the records, Nick created openBmap, not me :-) Onen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Do I need the buzz-fix?
If you generally stay in the same area and don't experience buzz you may not need it. If you move a lot in some conditions you may experience it or may not, so you should get a fix just in case. In nutshell - buzz is something every not reworked Freerunner has. You may experience it or you may not depending on conditions. But your phone still has it if not reworked. Leonti On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Warren Bairdwjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Hey all, I'm getting a bit confused about whether I need to get the buzz-fix operation done. Since I switched to http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset-a7.state a few days ago I've generally been satisfiied with my audio quality - a couple of people I've called have mentioned a small amount of buzz on occasion, but that the audio quality was tolerable. With most other state files I've had so much static on the line people on the other end could barely understand me. In http://n2.nabble.com/Debuzzing-tp2736682p3005844.html - Dr. N stated The Buzz rework is only required if you have the Buzz problem. If your device does not, there is no need to rework. My personal estimate is that 5% of users have experienced it. However, I've seen other statements like arne anka in http://n2.nabble.com/Debuzzing-tp2736682p3007627.html state conclusion: everyone having access to the buzz fix should take hold of it. Is there some consensus on this? Should everyone get the buzz-fix? If not - how do I tell if I should get the buzz fix. Thanks, Warren -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Do I need the buzz-fix?
I would like to know which hardware revision my phone has. I'm sure this has been explained again and again, and I'm sorry to keep beating the dead horse, but I still don't know what revision I have. I'm pretty sure it's before A7, but is it A5 or A6?... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Steve Mosherst...@openmoko.com wrote: I am somewhat constrained in what I am able to say. On one view there is the position, held by some, that any hardware that is merely CAPABLE of mp3 decode is required to apply for a license. So these dolts want a license fee for every turing complete computer above a few mips? --tim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)
2009/6/5 Tim Schmidt timschm...@gmail.com: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Steve Mosherst...@openmoko.com wrote: I am somewhat constrained in what I am able to say. On one view there is the position, held by some, that any hardware that is merely CAPABLE of mp3 decode is required to apply for a license. So these dolts want a license fee for every turing complete computer above a few mips? in short yes, in Spain is even more blooding, because apart of format war licences in customs, there is local agency called SGAE that succeeds in make pay a fee for any device not only able to play mp3 but any kind of music, and that's not all, not only to play but to keep any kind of multimedia format (this include CD/DVD-R, HD, SDCards) Is no matter of common sense or logic, now a days with law at hand, they can do it and they do. Then is your work to demonstrate in court you are right but meanwhile you are totally fuc$%ed. Scaring ,isn't it? Steve the problem is that some holding the position, are the ones that have enough money/power/time/knowledge to sue you, because even If they know they can loose in the court, in a way or another you will pay because you just can afford and stand in the whole long proccess, is their daily routine. --tim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:56:14 pm Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: well, there we're indeed dependent on the kernel itself. Is this a stable 2.6.28-based kernel? It's 2.6.24mw-g291a9d50 - much older! -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner's Future
Christoph Pulster wrote: I see ONE active Mailinglist (here) and nothing more worth to mention. openmoko-kernel used to be very busy. Now it's a bit more quiet with kernel maintenance being rearranged, but I expect it to pick up some more activity again before too long. Also, these days, the most active participants all use IRC and much of the small coordination happens there. The GTA03core list consists of 5 active people feeding some strange CAD software, gta02-core is a very young project and I'm rather pleased with the way it's growing. There are 1-2 people joining for active participation every week, and some more are just lurking for now. If active participants joined at a higher rate, it would actually be difficult to give them the attention they deserve and to integrate them into the project. (In fact, I already built up a bit of a backlog for this week. Shouldn't dwell in this mail too long ...) If you don't like the strange CAD files, you may find http://people.openmoko.org/werner/gta02-core/gta02-core-expanded-all.ps.gz easier on your eyes ;-) - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner's Future
Hi Steve, Steve Mosher wrote: 1. Its a mobile Phone First, and a multi purpose platform secondarily I actually like the perspective of #1 very much and you should keep it as such. As I am to understand, the core philosophy of Openmoko is the Free the Phone. There are many platform hardware devices out there that are open. Stressing that it is the _phone_ makes the biggest difference. It causes a revolution where major phone manufacturers like LG, Samsung, Nokia, etc. will start trembling to figure out their next moves as the community thrives to make something so much better with mass collaboration. Free the phone; we already have multi-purpose platform devices that run linux. -Boris ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner's Future
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Boris Wonglists.bo...@bshed.com wrote: Steve Mosher wrote: 1. Its a mobile Phone First, and a multi purpose platform secondarily I actually like the perspective of #1 very much and you should keep it as such. ...snip... Free the phone; we already have multi-purpose platform devices that run linux. I'm totally on-board with this message, vision and mission. The problem is--after all this time, that vision remains unfulfilled. My biggest disappointment has been the fact that my Openmoko Freerunner (which I've had since helping form the Austin buying group) is still not _nearly_ as reliable as any cheap simple handset I can get for 10% of the cost. The Freerunner had (has?) great potential, but we couldn't realize that potential without basic reliable functionality. If the concerted efforts of many talented (in some cases even paid) engineers couldn't achieve that basic milestone, it seems unlikely that it will be achieved by a loosely-organized group of unpaid (and demoralized) volunteers. I truly hope I'm wrong--and I applaud the efforts of those who continue to strive for this goal. I also want to express my thanks for the efforts of all those who have worked so long and hard trying to achieve this vision. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.22
Hi, Cameron Frazier wrote: in c (derived from [1], look at the bottom): elm_scroller_bounce_set(self.obj, h_bounce, v_bounce) Thanks. That helped. I needed to update my elementary libs on the laptop too. So here's the latest version - without the bouncing - and yes it's a lot simpler to use. http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3034171/launcher_0.22_arm.ipk launcher_0.22_arm.ipk -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-Home-Page-%28alpha%29-Release-0.21-tp2969146p3034171.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)
David, Once was said OM was in sue trying to resolve this but I have no more info on that for a long time. You have a good memory! :-) Yes, we were working with the Software Freedom Law Center in New York on our patent strategy. There was a decision of the US Supreme Court that undid some of the ongoing work. Don't expect anything to come out fast, but it's still moving. Wolfgang David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: pattens as are now a days is a real PITA, no matter if you don't have the libraries installed in the device,if you are cached by those pirate... sorry pattens agencies in customs they just have to say to the court the device is suitable to play mp3 and you don't have license, and your parcel will be retained for months/years, no matter the court final decision, you as reseller are fucked because you have payed for a material you cannot touch. So orl you arrive an agreement with the agency (+money,-less time) or wait for the lottery of the court and cross your fingers to have a judge a little bit more techy than the average, because if not, your parcel will be returned by default, and if the judge has a bad day you surely will pay a penalty. Once was said OM was in sue trying to resolve this but I have no more info on that for a long time. 2009/6/5 Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk: On Friday 05 June 2009, Christoph Pulster wrote: It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in support of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with support in areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal side (trademarks). Please remember the patent infridgements concerning MP3 (www.sisvel.it). Openmoko Inc. did not solve this issue until today. As a result, all sales inside EU are patent infridgments, all reseller inside EU community have to live with the fact, that local customs seize their Freerunner order anytime. Openmoko removed the mp3 codecs from the images they supply, and from their repositories, causing frustration for many. I don't know what image they now ship with, but would be surprised if they haven't removed the mp3 codecs from that too. If it doesn't contain the codec it can't infringe the patent. What more do you expect them to do? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)
Christoph, Openmoko phones are MP3-free and thus do not infringe on any MP3 intellectual property. Wolfgang Christoph Pulster wrote: It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in support of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with support in areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal side (trademarks). Please remember the patent infridgements concerning MP3 (www.sisvel.it). Openmoko Inc. did not solve this issue until today. As a result, all sales inside EU are patent infridgments, all reseller inside EU community have to live with the fact, that local customs seize their Freerunner order anytime. Christoph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
