Re: is 0.4A sufficient for charging?
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, ivvmm wrote: going to buy a device from a local store that will convert alternating current from my bicycle's front hub dynamo to 5V 0.4A. Is that sufficient for charging my Neo? I have soldered such a device by myself and it works. I think the phone needs only a little more than 120mA for charging, depending on which features are powered on (GSM, Bluetooth, WiFI, GPS etc). The main problem that I see is, that the FR will not recognize the load it may pull from the USB line if you don't put that magic resistor between the Id and GND pin of the USB plug. You can also use the power_center tool to force a charge of 500mA, but I believe it falls back to 100mA as soon as the power supply drops (what will happen if you stop bycicling). So a battery-buffered solution would be preferable. BTW: Could you please send a link to the shop where you found this DC converter? Alex. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: is 0.4A sufficient for charging?
What is the power_center tool ? Is it an application, part of a distro, ... BillK On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 08:09 +0200, Alexander Lehner wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, ivvmm wrote: going to buy a device from a local store that will convert alternating current from my bicycle's front hub dynamo to 5V 0.4A. Is that sufficient for charging my Neo? I have soldered such a device by myself and it works. I think the phone needs only a little more than 120mA for charging, depending on which features are powered on (GSM, Bluetooth, WiFI, GPS etc). The main problem that I see is, that the FR will not recognize the load it may pull from the USB line if you don't put that magic resistor between the Id and GND pin of the USB plug. You can also use the power_center tool to force a charge of 500mA, but I believe it falls back to 100mA as soon as the power supply drops (what will happen if you stop bycicling). So a battery-buffered solution would be preferable. BTW: Could you please send a link to the shop where you found this DC converter? Alex. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: is 0.4A sufficient for charging?
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, W.Kenworthy wrote: What is the power_center tool ? Is it an application, part of a distro, ... See this page where several force-fast-charge solutions are listed: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Forcing_fast_charge_mode I have patched the power-center python script for my SHR image (as mentioned in the wiki the /sys pathes have changed). Alex ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] wpa-exiting with code 1 ???
i tried with that kernel and its modules (obviously with latest shr-u) but i get the very same error... what does it mean??? d On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Jakob jackram...@googlemail.com wrote: yeah that's right. It's a 2.6.29-rc3 jake On 6/21/09, Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com wrote: guess it's a 2.6.29-rc3 but i'll give a look. thanks... no other ideas about this problem? reproducibility it's a nightmare on this fr... d On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Jakob jackram...@googlemail.com wrote: i'm using the latest kernel provided by shr. It's from June 15th. I don't know on what the kernel is based on. jake On 6/21/09, Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com wrote: ok, imho it's a mixture of kernel and wpa/shr version... i had a shr-u well working with the kernel i mentioned, but latest shr-u is _really_ nicer! so, i would like to have the wifi working with that... if possible. @Jakob: which kernel do you use, please? ...it seems to me an hard balancing... d On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Fox Mulder quakem...@gmx.net wrote: Do you know which kernel you use where wlan and wpa is working? Because i use the latest andy-tracking (in debian) for a few months now and wlan with wpa isn't working since than. But i don't exactly know if the problem is the kernel or wpa_supplicant or something else. Last time it worked was with the deprecated 2.6.24 kernel series. :( Ciao, Rainer Jakob wrote: i don't have a problem using wlan with wpa on latest shr-unstable. I use mofi (included in shr) to connect to my wlan-router. jake On 6/21/09, Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com wrote: ...and trying with latest kernel i get a kernel panic... do you have a working wifi (or at least a non criptic wpasupplicant behaviour) with shr-unstable? d On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, i'm experiencing some problems with shr unstable... so i downloaded the last one (20090617) and I use that with my favourite kernel (2.28-rc4) with its modules... but the problem still remains: when i try to connect to my home-wifi i get: r...@om-gta02 /etc/network $ ifup eth0 WPA: Configuring Interface ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported run-parts: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wpasupplicant exited with code 1 do you have any idea? thanks d ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why one cannot recommend the freerunner as a daily phone (was Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?)
I've had my Freerunner since day 1 and sadly have to agree with almost everything Joerg has said. The surprising thing to me is that we haven't seen more significant improvement on the software side in the last year. I'm not saying things haven't improved, I've just had the following in the back of my mind this whole time: I can buy a $20 pay-as-you go phone that has reliable SMS and voice calls, audible call volume, decent battery life, a fast boot process, reliable input method, a working calendar, and a few silly games. This made me believe that the software side of things was relatively easy. (If that cheapo phone can do it, the Freerunner developers will have these kinks worked out in no time I thought.) Maybe, as Joerg acknowledges too, all these little things ARE working on some distro or other or can be fixed by someone willing to tweak it for three months but in all this time I haven't been able to just flash the thing and get everything to work as reliably as my $20 junk phone. This has surprised me. I keep hoping that Koolu is going to release a version of Android that accomplishes this, but that seems at least a few more weeks (months?) off as well. Every couple of weeks I take the time to install what appears to be the best distro and fiddle with it for a day or so before being confounded by an array of things that still don't work. Then I set it aside and wait another couple of weeks and repeat. I couldn't advise even very experienced GNU/Linux users like our original poster who want the FR to replace a capable smartphone to try it right now. As I see it, only two results are possible: he'll give up disappointed or he'll spend way too much time (3 months) trying to tweak the FR to do that list of things he wants it to do and ultimately succeed, but will have spent 3 months without a usable daily phone. If those of us who feel like this are missing a great FR experience that the rest of you daily users are having, then perhaps the wiki needs a new section Daily Users where each person who is completely satisfied with their FR setup can describe in excruciating detail (command by command) how they got to that point so that the rest of us could cut-and-paste their HOWTO and have the same experiences. Without something like that, I don't expect to be a daily user any time soon. Brian Joerg Lippmann wrote: Am Montag 22 Juni 2009 schrieb Ben Wong: I want to thank Joerg for taking the time to give a clear list of reasons why a person might consider the Freerunner unsuitable as a phone. I think it'd be helpful if these and other points were put on the wiki so that potential buyers can see the arguments against the Freerunner, and what the community response is. (E.g., Solved? Kludged? In progress? Unfixable?) Good starting point! I'd like to thank everyone who answered my disgruntled mail in a constructive manner. You all made a good case for the freerunner/openmoko and I appreciate that. I think I see clearer, why I'm so unhappy with it now and maybe that's the case for other people, too. I think, most of the technical answers totally missed my point. The guy wanted a smartphone. He didn't ask for an exiting piece of hardware experimentation lab and developer paradise. If you recommend to tweak this mixer-setting and install that tool and use that kernel-fix, then you prove, that it's not for him. I listed a lot of points, where I got stuck or where I got frustrated with the Freerunner to show, where he might get stuck, too. Granted, most of my points may be solved in distro A or fixed in Kernel B, or fixable by tweaking settings in illume. but the point is, that there is (to my knowledge) not a single distro out there, that works perfectly out of the box and has all the fixes already installed. Thats whats needed, if you want to recommened it to the end-user. You are offering me and this guy single proofs-of-concept, and that is great for further development, but thats not a working everyday smartphone. let me cite another mail (from Vasco Nevoa): Yes, it needs A LOT of attention and tweaking for about 3 months until you get it just right for yourself, but after that it's good enough as a phone and GPS, and a pretty good PDA. See my point? Best wishes! j�...@home ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why one cannot recommend the freerunner as a daily phone
Brian C bria...@ocf.berkeley.edu writes: new section Daily Users where each person who is completely satisfied with their FR setup can describe in excruciating detail (command by command) how they got to that point so that the rest of us could cut-and-paste their HOWTO and have the same experiences. Without something like that, I don't expect to be a daily user any time soon. That's a good idea. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why one cannot recommend the freerunner as a daily phone (was Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?)
2009/6/23 Brian C bria...@ocf.berkeley.edu I can buy a $20 pay-as-you go phone that has reliable SMS and voice calls, audible call volume, decent battery life, a fast boot process, reliable input method, a working calendar, and a few silly games. This made me believe that the software side of things was relatively easy. (If that cheapo phone can do it, the Freerunner developers will have these kinks worked out in no time I thought.) Maybe, as Joerg acknowledges too, all these little things ARE working on some distro or other or can be fixed by someone willing to tweak it for three months but in all this time I haven't been able to just flash the thing and get everything to work as reliably as my $20 junk phone. This has surprised me. When I bought my FR (around november), QtExtended worked as you describe. It had everything that a phone needs. I think it was pretty reliable too, except the duplicating sms bug. But that's not a big deal I think. I didn't use it a lot just because you couldn't hack it as much as Om or SHR. But the wiki said: if you want a reliable phone, and just a phone, use QtExtended. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why one cannot recommend the freerunner as a daily phone
El día Tuesday, June 23, 2009 a las 11:14:40AM +0300, Timo Juhani Lindfors escribió: Brian C bria...@ocf.berkeley.edu writes: new section Daily Users where each person who is completely satisfied with their FR setup can describe in excruciating detail (command by command) how they got to that point so that the rest of us could cut-and-paste their HOWTO and have the same experiences. Without something like that, I don't expect to be a daily user any time soon. That's a good idea. Ok, my step-by-step installation guide is here: http://www.unixarea.de/openmoko.txt Concerning daily usage, I'm using my FR for a year now as my daily and only phone (i.e. I have no other mobile phone at all); I love it as it is and never ever want to use another mobile phone which does not has: - Linux or FreeBSD as Operating System - X11, xterm, ... - full SSH access to the system via USB network - resistive touch screen (to be able to hit a single pixel) - GSM, GPRS, GPS Hopefully my FR will last until some new approach in that direction shows up; thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use FreeBSD. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[om2009] All messages are still stored on SIM, not on flash..
Hi! To make it simple, check http://www.paroli-project.org/trac/ticket/155 Explanation: Messages are still stored on SIM, not in /home/root/.paroli/messages/phone OK, you can cat that file and see the messages but by guesstimation is that that file is recreated on every start; the messages are read from SIM (- one of the reasons why starting Paroli's slow). So when the SIM card fills up, you'll get a message your SIM card is full, please delete messages. At least on my case (~testing5) it helped to delete some messages, this gave new space for new messages. - waiting for opimd to give us ~unlimited SMS space.. (dos1 go go go! Keep up the great work :) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009] All messages are still stored on SIM, not on flash..
OK, sorry for the disinformation, Paroli doesn't save SMS's on SIM, this is a bug somewhere. More details, see http://www.paroli-project.org/trac/ticket/155#comment:5 - Paroli should already support ~unlimited SMS space. Way to go Paroli! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: input method : dasher
I had the same idea over and over again. I thought it would be cool to have such a thing controlled by the accelerometers ;) I also took a quick look at dasher's sources. Maybe it would be better in this case to write a new lightweight app specially designed for the freerunner. On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:55:44 +0200 swap38 swa...@openmoko-fr.org wrote: Hi, At the end of this article [1], there's a comment about Dasher [2]. It's a strange but simple funny input method that can be very fast (39 words per minute). Dasher support numerous languages and the source code is open. A version for mobile device (ARMv4 / Windows Mobile) is in developed by Glen Femandes. Do you think Dasher can be useful for the Neo Freerunner ? [1] http://lwn.net/Articles/336787/ [2] http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: input method : dasher
That's a pretty awesome idea. It'd make typing fun. --Ben On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 2:50 AM, Fabian Killus fab...@ji-xiansheng.de wrote: I had the same idea over and over again. I thought it would be cool to have such a thing controlled by the accelerometers ;) I also took a quick look at dasher's sources. Maybe it would be better in this case to write a new lightweight app specially designed for the freerunner. On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:55:44 +0200 swap38 swa...@openmoko-fr.org wrote: Hi, At the end of this article [1], there's a comment about Dasher [2]. It's a strange but simple funny input method that can be very fast (39 words per minute). Dasher support numerous languages and the source code is open. A version for mobile device (ARMv4 / Windows Mobile) is in developed by Glen Femandes. Do you think Dasher can be useful for the Neo Freerunner ? [1] http://lwn.net/Articles/336787/ [2] http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[debian] sid/squeeze on freerunner
hi all, there are some versions of packages (a lot) in sid/squeeze which i'd like to use on my freerunner - does anyone know if there is a simple-ish process for installing either? could the debian install script be adapted to do it? cheers ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] sid/squeeze on freerunner
hi all, there are some versions of packages (a lot) in sid/squeeze which i'd like to use on my freerunner - does anyone know if there is a simple-ish process for installing either? could the debian install script be adapted to do it? If running debian on freerunner, you may use aptitude or apt-get to install whatever package from sid (or testing, or whatever depending of your apt sources configuration). If not running debian, installing debian packages may or may not work depending on low-level factors, better not to do that. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] sid/squeeze on freerunner
2009/6/24 Nikita V. Youshchenko yo...@debian.org: If running debian on freerunner, you may use aptitude or apt-get to install whatever package from sid (or testing, or whatever depending of your apt sources configuration). yes, but the packages i need require a long chain of dependencies from sid/squeeze, and i don't want to do that - i'll get a broken system very quickly. i'd rather get the whole OS is there way in lenny to reliably upgrade to sid/squeeze? i've heard the idea of changing all instances of 'lenny' to 'sid' in the sources.list file, but that sounds very flaky If not running debian, installing debian packages may or may not work depending on low-level factors, better not to do that. yes, agreed. i investigated that option, but there are some gnarly preinst scripts which rely upon dpkg and all sorts ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] sid/squeeze on freerunner
yes, but the packages i need require a long chain of dependencies from sid/squeeze, and i don't want to do that - i'll get a broken system very quickly. i'd rather get the whole OS is there way in lenny to reliably upgrade to sid/squeeze? Officially, Debian supports only upgrades between stable releases. In practice, you may upgrade part of your system (or the whole system) to testing or unstable at any moment, and most time that works. Although you may have to tune something after upgrade. This is true for whatever debian system, nothing freerunner-specific here. Btw, today's sid works on freerunner ok. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] sid/squeeze on freerunner
Am Dienstag, 23. Juni 2009 14:43:11 schrieb Robin Paulson: i've heard the idea of changing all instances of 'lenny' to 'sid' in the sources.list file, but that sounds very flaky That's exactly the way to go normally although I don't know if you're going to get dependency problems when dist-upgrading to sid. There are packages missing or parts of package groups updated so that the whole bunch isn't installable for some time. -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] sid/squeeze on freerunner
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 02:43:11 pm Robin Paulson wrote: is there way in lenny to reliably upgrade to sid/squeeze? i've heard the idea of changing all instances of 'lenny' to 'sid' in the sources.list file, but that sounds very flaky This is the way to go. If you want to keep multiple sources in sources.list, you have to edit /etc/apt/apt.conf and put : APT::Default-Release testing; If you have problem on apt-get update add also this line : APT::Cache-Limit 1; You can also edit /etc/apt/preferences for fine tuning of witch packages to auto-install auto-update… then cat /etc/debian_version to check. -- Vincent MEURISSE ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: is 0.4A sufficient for charging?
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 07:31, ivvmmunachieva...@gmail.com wrote: Hello list, going to buy a device from a local store that will convert alternating current from my bicycle's front hub dynamo to 5V 0.4A. Is that sufficient for charging my Neo? It is. USB is specified for 0.5 A @ 5V (^= 2.5 W) With 0.4 A @ 5V you'll be at about 2 W which is more than enough to run the Neo with all devices powered (display, gps, gsm, wifi) and even enough to load it while it's running (although this might be slower than USB). However, you should make sure this power converter has some big capacitors to make sure you get a constant supply - otherwise it's not good for your battery on long term. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR-U] Contacts scroll / select broken?
As the subject describes, I can't seem to select or scroll in the Contact app. This is either by opening directly or through the Dialer app. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-SHR-U--Contacts-scroll---select-broken--tp3142914p3142914.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: PISI 0.3 released
We just released PISI 0.3. Contacts synchronization was extended by SIM (via DBUS) support - making it available to SHR users. Python 2.6 is supported as well (including all dependency packages). Contacts Synchronization currently supports - SIM Card via DBUS (e.g. SHR) - QTopia SQLite (e.g. OM 2008.12) - LDAP (read only) - VCF files (local and webdav), and - Google Contacts Calendar synchronization supports - Google Calendar, and - ICalendar files (local and webdav) Get your copy here: http://www.opkg.org/package_191.html hey, great! thank you for all the work. sync is what is really needed and some people will need even more to upgrade to Paroli (when paroli support is added to pisi). I tried: - contact sync shr_sim-google: (seem to be quite slow due to the dbus-sim slow access?) but worked. seemed to complain about 100 contacts/sim limit but i have to test it more. Also, seems to sync only one way to google. - calendar sync: Pimlico-Google: seems to sync nicely one way - pimlico to google but not the other way. Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Contacts scroll / select broken?
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:46:40 -0700 (PDT) undrwater undrwa...@verizon.net (U) wrote: As the subject describes, I can't seem to select or scroll in the Contact app. This is either by opening directly or through the Dialer hmm, i can on freshly updated shr-u. are you perhaps running something heavy on the background that the app would be so slow to respond? any messages if you run it from terminal? Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009] airplane mode
jeremy jozwik wrote: window seat makes no difference : ) in fact for several minuets i was holding my freerunner against the window and got nothing... I was able to... When I tried while flying, I needed a lot of time to get the fix, but then I got it. Another time I've got the fix before of getting in the plane and I was able to track all the flight :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
font size in other window managers
Hi, I'm playing with other window managers in Om2009, like matchbox and icewm. All the apps that I run use insanely small fonts and buttons. Same as when you run them in pure X. Does anyone have an idea how to change this behaviour? Is it through some env variables? Thanks, Michal ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: font size in other window managers
Hi, I'm playing with other window managers in Om2009, like matchbox and icewm. All the apps that I run use insanely small fonts and buttons. Same as when you run them in pure X. Does anyone have an idea how to change this behaviour? Is it through some env variables? Try to start X with different -dpi values. I use -dpi 145 and it's a good compromise. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: font size in other window managers
Got it: forgot to specify -dpi when launching X. 2009/6/23 Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm Hi, I'm playing with other window managers in Om2009, like matchbox and icewm. All the apps that I run use insanely small fonts and buttons. Same as when you run them in pure X. Does anyone have an idea how to change this behaviour? Is it through some env variables? Thanks, Michal ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] sid/squeeze on freerunner
Robin Paulson wrote: yes, but the packages i need require a long chain of dependencies from sid/squeeze, and i don't want to do that - i'll get a broken system very quickly. i'd rather get the whole OS is there way in lenny to reliably upgrade to sid/squeeze? i've heard the idea of changing all instances of 'lenny' to 'sid' in the sources.list file, but that sounds very flaky Yes, if you just change lenny to sid, you should expect a lot of things to break. What you want to learn about is apt-pinning. Google that. You need to change your /etc/apt/sources.list to include both lenny and sid and have an /etc/apt/preferences file that tells apt which packages to pull from lenny and which from sid. The problem will be this long chain of dependencies. Before you even begin, you should investigate exactly what versions of each package will be needed, then in your /etc/apt/preferences file, you can pin each of those packages to sid, keeping lenny as the default for everything else. I assume by long chain you understand that when sid package A requires sid package B you should also check the dependencies of sid package B as it may require further upgrades (and so on...this is what makes it a chain.) In looking into this you may learn that a required dependency isn't in the arm sid repository that freerunner uses and then you will be stuck, but better to learn that in advance than once you have a broken system. Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: font size in other window managers
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Michal Brzozowskiruso...@poczta.fm wrote:
Hi,
I'm playing with other window managers in Om2009, like matchbox and icewm.
All the apps that I run use insanely small fonts and buttons. Same as when
you run them in pure X. Does anyone have an idea how to change this
behaviour? Is it through some env variables?
This is a DPI issue, that's affects all applications.
To correct specific one you may use the toolkit theming system, for
example with QT you may run myapplication -stylesheets filename, in
filename you put:
* {font-size: 15px}
that's all! with different gui toolkit I do not know how to do it, but
I suppose you may force/use a theme.
If you continues your window managers tests please reports them on:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Windows_Managers
I'm actually using Matchbox on debian sid, with command line
parameters and moko theme from hackable1.
It gives fullscreen windows (like Illume), a top bar with on left the
current window name with integrated drop down menu to switch to other
windows and on the right system-monitor and clock applet. A neod like
daemon listens for AUX/Power key events, the first toggle the
matchbox-keyboard, the second popups a window for some nice tasks
(close/kill window, toggle fullscreen mode, toggle display
orientation, shutdown the device).
I avoided matchbox-desktop too, and adopted a simple application launcher.
I'm very happy with this, as I can finally close fullscreen or freezed
X11 applications without the USB cable :)
Regards
Nicola
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Re: Om2009 testing release 5
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: I found the same issue than Michal, not a real problem, but it's hard to scroll without clicking. Could you specify on what views (or all?) is this? for the people view, it's ok, scrolling nicely without clicking, but in the settings menu, I put my finger on item A, then scroll up/down, when I release it, the item A is automatically clicked. Yes, it's very hard to navigate in the settings area. Maybe the list of items is not being created the same way? I'd suggest also to use the lateral scrolling (left/right) to (respectively) decrease and increase the values for options such the Suspend time and other cycling settings; actually changing them is really annoying! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: font size in other window managers
2009/6/23 Nicola Mfb nicola@gmail.com If you continues your window managers tests please reports them on: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Windows_Managers I tried matchbox-wm, but it didn't play nicely with override_redirect windows (literki). So now I'm trying icewm, and it's working as expected. I hacked the sources to maximize every created window. Switching windows is done by sliding the touchpad. The only problem I've got is it doesn't detect xrandr events, but I'm working on it. When I have everything set up I'll probably make a howto or an install script. Which launcher app are you using with matchbox? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: font size in other window managers
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Michal Brzozowskiruso...@poczta.fm wrote: 2009/6/23 Nicola Mfb nicola@gmail.com If you continues your window managers tests please reports them on: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Windows_Managers I tried matchbox-wm, but it didn't play nicely with override_redirect windows (literki). So now I'm trying icewm, and it's working as expected. I hacked the sources to maximize every created window. Switching windows is done by sliding the touchpad. this is very nice! I'll try bypasswindowmanager flag on QT, it should be the same I guess ? The only problem I've got is it doesn't detect xrandr events, but I'm working on it. When I have everything set up I'll probably make a howto or an install script. Which launcher app are you using with matchbox? Oh, that's a stupid, dirty and not releasable selfmade application that simply scans for directories and all executable files in a speficic place. Subdirectories are showed with a drawer, while files are showed with a default icon. Clicking on a drawer enter the directory , clicking on an executable file launchs it and shows stdout/stderr on a popup window. If filename.png exists the icon is replaced with that, if filename.nodialog exists no output feedback will be showed, if filename.autoclose exists when the application exits it closes the output dialog automatically. When an application quits a 5-second dialog shows the exit status. A filesystem watcher auto updates the current window if I add, remove, rename files or icons. I wrote it as after playing with apt-get on debian I just filled other launchers, too many icons and some important missing, and above all to launch my several mdbus scripts without the pain of write a .desktop file. Regards Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] GoPhone Alerts
On Tuesday 23 June 2009, The Digital Pioneer wrote: OK, forgive the idiot, but how? I read the link, but I don't know how to use that. I have no experience programming with DBus. First up just try sending your operator's code for requesting your balance. It's usually some code starting with * or #, and I think the dialler recognises this and sends it as USSD. From what I remember of the other post the messages started appearing after every call from that point on. If that doesn't work you can send a USSD from the command line or a script using: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.SendUssdRequest '*1234#' This assumes you want to send *1234# I think mdbus has a similar syntax for listening for signals like IncomingUssd but I'm not in a position to check at the moment. If you enable logging in frameworkd you should also see any arriving USSD messages in the log. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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hi list :) when will this mailing list move to a forum with rss feeds? i cant seem to keep track of anything here nor even understand what people are talking about. is there a way to thread the mails together or move to a forum? thanks _ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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flecktor schrieb: hi list :) when will this mailing list move to a forum with rss feeds? i cant seem to keep track of anything here nor even understand what people are talking about. is there a way to thread the mails together or move to a forum? thanks n2.nabble.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: your mail
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 06:11:58PM +, flecktor wrote: when will this mailing list move to a forum with rss feeds? I hope that never. Mailing lists are the best interface, at least for me :) i cant seem to keep track of anything here nor even understand what people are talking about. That's what I feel whenever I look at forums. is there a way to thread the mails together or move to a forum? Sure, just use any normal mail client (and no, Microsoft doesn't have any good mail client). Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: your mail
make sure you reply with the right subject instead of creating a new one On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.orgwrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 06:11:58PM +, flecktor wrote: when will this mailing list move to a forum with rss feeds? I hope that never. Mailing lists are the best interface, at least for me :) i cant seem to keep track of anything here nor even understand what people are talking about. That's what I feel whenever I look at forums. is there a way to thread the mails together or move to a forum? Sure, just use any normal mail client (and no, Microsoft doesn't have any good mail client). Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: PISI 0.3 released
Petr, thx for the feedback! Indeed, Paroli integration is the next feature I am aiming for ... For the error you were talking about: Could you please start the app from a shell (pisigui) and give some more details about the error from the console output? This would help a bit on narrowing down the problem ... thx in advance, greetings Mike PS: 100 entries is the limit of SIM cards (well, at least of mine - in order to avoid a crash of the application, I put a limit on the configuration - you can change this in the configuration file /home/root/.pisi/conf) Petr Vanek wrote: We just released PISI 0.3. Contacts synchronization was extended by SIM (via DBUS) support - making it available to SHR users. Python 2.6 is supported as well (including all dependency packages). Contacts Synchronization currently supports - SIM Card via DBUS (e.g. SHR) - QTopia SQLite (e.g. OM 2008.12) - LDAP (read only) - VCF files (local and webdav), and - Google Contacts Calendar synchronization supports - Google Calendar, and - ICalendar files (local and webdav) Get your copy here: http://www.opkg.org/package_191.html hey, great! thank you for all the work. sync is what is really needed and some people will need even more to upgrade to Paroli (when paroli support is added to pisi). I tried: - contact sync shr_sim-google: (seem to be quite slow due to the dbus-sim slow access?) but worked. seemed to complain about 100 contacts/sim limit but i have to test it more. Also, seems to sync only one way to google. - calendar sync: Pimlico-Google: seems to sync nicely one way - pimlico to google but not the other way. Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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probably you meant this address: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html ohin On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Bernd Prünsterbernd.pruens...@gmail.com wrote: flecktor schrieb: hi list :) when will this mailing list move to a forum with rss feeds? i cant seem to keep track of anything here nor even understand what people are talking about. is there a way to thread the mails together or move to a forum? thanks n2.nabble.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: PISI 0.3 released
Michael, i set sim limit to 250, her is the console output: http://www.pastebin.cz/20328 calendar was now able to go both ways, but for some reason it doesn't seem to react in real time (is there a lag on google's side, or dates do not show some events?), it also erased one event created on google that should go into fr... several trials on both sides, i will document them better if needed :) here is the calendar output: http://www.pastebin.cz/20330 Petr On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:52:30 +0200 Michael Pilgermann kichka...@gmx.de (MP) wrote: Petr, thx for the feedback! Indeed, Paroli integration is the next feature I am aiming for ... For the error you were talking about: Could you please start the app from a shell (pisigui) and give some more details about the error from the console output? This would help a bit on narrowing down the problem ... thx in advance, greetings Mike PS: 100 entries is the limit of SIM cards (well, at least of mine - in order to avoid a crash of the application, I put a limit on the configuration - you can change this in the configuration file /home/root/.pisi/conf) Petr Vanek wrote: We just released PISI 0.3. Contacts synchronization was extended by SIM (via DBUS) support - making it available to SHR users. Python 2.6 is supported as well (including all dependency packages). Contacts Synchronization currently supports - SIM Card via DBUS (e.g. SHR) - QTopia SQLite (e.g. OM 2008.12) - LDAP (read only) - VCF files (local and webdav), and - Google Contacts Calendar synchronization supports - Google Calendar, and - ICalendar files (local and webdav) Get your copy here: http://www.opkg.org/package_191.html hey, great! thank you for all the work. sync is what is really needed and some people will need even more to upgrade to Paroli (when paroli support is added to pisi). I tried: - contact sync shr_sim-google: (seem to be quite slow due to the dbus-sim slow access?) but worked. seemed to complain about 100 contacts/sim limit but i have to test it more. Also, seems to sync only one way to google. - calendar sync: Pimlico-Google: seems to sync nicely one way - pimlico to google but not the other way. Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Petr Vaněk http://biodynamika.cz -- Petr Vanek Customer Service Representative ROBE lighting s. r. o. TECHNICAL CENTER Palackeho 416 757 01 Valasske Mezirici Czech Republic Cell: +420 723 452 980 Fax : +420 571 669 255 E-mail: petr.va...@robe.cz http://www.robe.cz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 5
Hi I'd suggest also to use the lateral scrolling (left/right) to (respectively) decrease and increase the values for options such the Suspend time and other cycling settings; That's an idea. I toyed with the idea of having such lists of settings (numerical/boolean) with buttons on each side: (-) hour:07 (+) (off) alarm (on) sort of an 'old school' lateral slider :-) $2c, *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 5
Hi Not sure when this started, but it might be since flashing to om2009 release5: I can't ssh into my Neo any more. Not over wifi, and not over usb. ~pike$ ping 192.168.0.200 [..] --- 192.168.0.200 ping statistics --- 2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0% packet loss ~pike$ ssh r...@192.168.0.200 ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.200 port 22: Connection refused ~pike$ ping 192.168.1.31 [..] --- 192.168.1.31 ping statistics --- 2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0% packet loss ~pike$ ssh r...@192.168.1.31 ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.31 port 22: Connection refused the connections are good. dropbear is running. a few other apparent bugs are disabling me to test it very thorough, but .. am I overseeing something ? curious, *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 5
2009/6/23 pike pike-openm...@kw.nl Hi Not sure when this started, but it might be since flashing to om2009 release5: I can't ssh into my Neo any more. Not over wifi, and not over usb. ~pike$ ping 192.168.0.200 [..] --- 192.168.0.200 ping statistics --- 2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0% packet loss ~pike$ ssh r...@192.168.0.200 ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.200 port 22: Connection refused Try at 192.168.0.202 :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 5
Hi ~pike$ ping 192.168.0.200 Try at 192.168.0.202 :-) eeeuuh... :-) ~ pike$ ssh r...@192.168.0.202 r...@192.168.0.202's password: r...@om-gta02:~# thanks! *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: PISI 0.3 released
Will there be a way in the future to sync with, say Outlook on Windows? Is syncing to linux currently done through ssh? If so, what would be the way to sync to a Windows machine? kichkasch wrote: We just released PISI 0.3. Contacts synchronization was extended by SIM (via DBUS) support - making it available to SHR users. Python 2.6 is supported as well (including all dependency packages). Contacts Synchronization currently supports - SIM Card via DBUS (e.g. SHR) - QTopia SQLite (e.g. OM 2008.12) - LDAP (read only) - VCF files (local and webdav), and - Google Contacts Calendar synchronization supports - Google Calendar, and - ICalendar files (local and webdav) Get your copy here: http://www.opkg.org/package_191.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/PISI-0.1-released-tp2597801p3144804.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: your mail
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 20:23:53 jeremy jozwik wrote: make sure you reply with the right subject instead of creating a new one Start using a real mail program (not like gmail or any microsoft one) and you will see that changing the subject doesn't matter :) -- Vincent MEURISSE ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: PISI 0.3 released
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just a quick response for now: there is no real-time on Google. You need to reload manually after synchronisation. Thx for all the input ... Petr Vanek wrote: Michael, i set sim limit to 250, her is the console output: http://www.pastebin.cz/20328 calendar was now able to go both ways, but for some reason it doesn't seem to react in real time (is there a lag on google's side, or dates do not show some events?), it also erased one event created on google that should go into fr... several trials on both sides, i will document them better if needed :) here is the calendar output: http://www.pastebin.cz/20330 Petr On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:52:30 +0200 Michael Pilgermann kichka...@gmx.de (MP) wrote: Petr, thx for the feedback! Indeed, Paroli integration is the next feature I am aiming for ... For the error you were talking about: Could you please start the app from a shell (pisigui) and give some more details about the error from the console output? This would help a bit on narrowing down the problem ... thx in advance, greetings Mike PS: 100 entries is the limit of SIM cards (well, at least of mine - in order to avoid a crash of the application, I put a limit on the configuration - you can change this in the configuration file /home/root/.pisi/conf) Petr Vanek wrote: We just released PISI 0.3. Contacts synchronization was extended by SIM (via DBUS) support - making it available to SHR users. Python 2.6 is supported as well (including all dependency packages). Contacts Synchronization currently supports - SIM Card via DBUS (e.g. SHR) - QTopia SQLite (e.g. OM 2008.12) - LDAP (read only) - VCF files (local and webdav), and - Google Contacts Calendar synchronization supports - Google Calendar, and - ICalendar files (local and webdav) Get your copy here: http://www.opkg.org/package_191.html hey, great! thank you for all the work. sync is what is really needed and some people will need even more to upgrade to Paroli (when paroli support is added to pisi). I tried: - contact sync shr_sim-google: (seem to be quite slow due to the dbus-sim slow access?) but worked. seemed to complain about 100 contacts/sim limit but i have to test it more. Also, seems to sync only one way to google. - calendar sync: Pimlico-Google: seems to sync nicely one way - pimlico to google but not the other way. Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Petr Vaněk http://biodynamika.cz -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpBP64ACgkQOwG8U/ZRjjpYHwCgprKPuAIRNRwmsbeGGmeYG2CZ 9nUAoL8WFus9bYj60VMUxBRQvZZPhliV =ertA -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: PISI 0.3 released
The FSO dbus api let's you fetch the information regarding phonebooks and it'll tell you how many slots the sim card has for that phonebook. No need to manually set a limit. -david ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-Unstable] opkg upgrade fail
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Rask Ingemann Lambertsen r...@sygehus.dkwrote: On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 11:41:36AM -0500, The Digital Pioneer wrote: Ahh, swapfile did the trick it seems. How can I make it automount my swapfile on boot? This is how I made a 128MB swapfile: dd if=/dev/zero of=swp.file bs=1k count=128000 Add this to fstab # Swapfile /swp.file swapswapdefaults0 0 mkswap /swp.file swapon swp.file Now it should work, at least for me :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Fwd: help me
Here is the proper address for questions. You might also like to try the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page Angus -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: help me Date: June 23, 2009 From: qu kai qukaim...@gmail.com To: nyt...@openmoko.org Hello: I bought a Freerunner phone, and then use their own version of the android operating system koolu, I would now like to install Om 2009, mobile phone and computer but not be able to communicate, please help me, it did not koolu as directly from the sd card installed method. Waiting for your reply, thank you! -- 活着！ --- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: your mail
nay. On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Vincent MEURISSE openmoko-commun...@meurisse.org wrote: On Tuesday 23 June 2009 20:23:53 jeremy jozwik wrote: make sure you reply with the right subject instead of creating a new one Start using a real mail program (not like gmail or any microsoft one) and you will see that changing the subject doesn't matter :) -- Vincent MEURISSE ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: help me
om2009 installation instructions can be found here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009 Please read through the whole page with the FAQ/using OM2009 section too. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [SHR-U] Contacts scroll / select broken?
I just found out that there is a buzz fix here in the US. I'm sending my FR out (it's packed right now) tomorrow morning. I'll check again when it returns and see if I'm having similar difficulties. Russell Dwiggins -Original Message- From: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] On Behalf Of Petr Vanek Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 7:58 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: [SHR-U] Contacts scroll / select broken? On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:46:40 -0700 (PDT) undrwater undrwa...@verizon.net (U) wrote: As the subject describes, I can't seem to select or scroll in the Contact app. This is either by opening directly or through the Dialer hmm, i can on freshly updated shr-u. are you perhaps running something heavy on the background that the app would be so slow to respond? any messages if you run it from terminal? Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.81/2189 - Release Date: 06/20/09 06:15:00 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
