Re: om2009/paroli status
Hi, On 24 Jul 2009, at 02:04, Nicola Mfb wrote: Hi! Is om2009 and paroli in a temporary sleeping status or was development terminated? Somethings changed in the last days and may be now there is less man power to improve them. Less man power is the right way of putting it. There still is development on both projects but less than before. Laszlo is doing a great job improving things in paroli which I am very thankful for. There still is the plan to release a final version of Om2009. It would be good if we could assemble a list of problems in paroli that need fixing for the release. Regards, /mirko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: om2009/paroli status
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Mirko Lindnervegyra...@paroli-project.org wrote: Hi, On 24 Jul 2009, at 02:04, Nicola Mfb wrote: Hi! Is om2009 and paroli in a temporary sleeping status or was development terminated? Somethings changed in the last days and may be now there is less man power to improve them. Less man power is the right way of putting it. There still is development on both projects but less than before. Laszlo is doing a great job improving things in paroli which I am very thankful for. There still is the plan to release a final version of Om2009. It would be good if we could assemble a list of problems in paroli that need fixing for the release. Hi! Mirko, I really like to see the final version of Om2009, so I'm happy there is still the plan to release it. We need a legacy milestone for some reasons: *) we of course may choose between different distros, but the great part are not easy to setup correctly while other are bleeding edge and breaks things every week, we need to give a sort of stability to users. *) developers wastes their time doing self distro mantaining and struggling with a fast changing underlying system, it may be better that they will focus on code, instead of rebuilding software, caring of api/library changes and so on. Om2009 should so take the place of Om2008, developers may target it and support users in a decent way instead of guessing problem that are distro related. *) in this dark phase that will help the reorganization of community Best Regards p.s. good luck for the new job/company :) Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: touchpad on OM
Michal Brzozowski wrote: Hi, I'm not sure if anyone has ever tried this. I thought it would be handy to have a mouse pointer on the phone, driven by a touchpad area in the lower part of the screen. To click you just hit an appropriate button. This way you can do left click, right click, and any other mouse buttons you want. It should be useful for apps unsuited for finger use. Here's a graphical explanation: http://pvtrace.com/moko-touchpad.png Why have that touchpad area??? I understand why you have the L and R buttons. It allows right and left clicks, which is nice. But why waste area on a touchpad ? Just enable the X mouse pointer - which is easy enough. The touchscreen _is_ a touchpad already, so no need for a separate pad. Then you can put the L and R buttons at the bottom of the screen, and have much more room for the app itself on the screen. Or am I missing something? Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reducing resume verbosity with Qi
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Re: New Open Hardware company
Actually one of the things I would like to do with a NanoNote is turn it into a dedicated Twitter client! I think opinion will always be divided on form factor. I have owned many devices from the Psion Series II through to the iPhone but I still like Zaurus clamshell designs. I also like the idea of a tiny Linux computer in my pocket or even on a key chain. I don't see the progression as trying to compete with the iPhone but to look at new areas such as hackable wearable computing. Thus I am interested in seeing things get smaller and cheaper and more hackable and not getting more shiny! John. 2009/7/24 Christoph Pulster openm...@pulster.de: [snip] Psion Plc. invent the clamshell and set the top-level of usable keyboard verses form-factor with Series 3 twenty years ago. We are in the SMS/twitter age now. Some vitual keyboard with multi-touch usability is sufficient. People who want to write full sentences buy a pencil with white paper. In general, what advantage does the NanoNote have to an Iphone with Linux installed ? Christoph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangogps : updating tiles ?
2009/7/24 William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au: Is there any advantage (to the server) of using curl? - is there a reason why openstreetmap would ban one and not the other (or is it just someone(s) using wget beating up their server? why do you think wget has been banned? and what good would it do anyway? change the user-agent string ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[TI Calypso] I know it's NDA'ed but ...
I wonder what will happen to the TI Calypso stuff inside the Freerunner? Now that OM stopped business who will take care of the GSM modem part and fix issues if they are found? As a now full community supported mobile hardware platform wouldn't it be possible to contact TI and release the Calpyso SDK under some community license? I mean the GSM modem is an old one and why can't it be de-NDA'ed by TI? Could someone of the former OM staff try to contact them and explain our situation for this or must we live forever with the current state of the GSM firmware as a black box which would be really sad. As for #1024 there is that hardware fix but we will never know if by chance it could be software fixed (I know that the former OM developers had inspected the calypso firmware, however the more ppl would analyse the code the chances are higher that some fix could be possibly found). Please don't let the calypso stuff be a dead end for us! Opening this part of the device would make the Freerunner even more interesting for developers since it would be (except the glamo *) a truely open phone by then. Cheers, Nek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
2009/7/24 Christoph Pulster openm...@pulster.de In general, what advantage does the NanoNote have to an Iphone with Linux installed ? I hope you are talking just about the design. Physical keyboard is way better if you're typing a lot. Even small. The screen is protected when it's in your pocket. I could probably tell you a lot more if I had both of them in my hands. Michal ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
just few comments from a European! :) Its just FINE that you base your company in China. China is worldwide a synonym of superior quality and most advanced technology in terms of electronics and they are catching up extremely fast with the rest of the industrial activities. I wouldn't care about Sisvel. Let them try to sue you in ... China :) What Sisvel 'defines' is useless and they know that. How may chinese companies were sued anyway? :) iPhone is WAY too expensive! A pure Mickey Mouse device. What I would like to see from your product would be a about 150EUR one where I can install by myself the needed s/w (OpenMoko style!) and use it as a portable multimedia player - for the beginning! :) In general is a NICE TRY and hope you'll release soon a ready to run device. Cheers Tony On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Christoph Pulster openm...@pulster.dewrote: 2. you announce products which are not exitant for sales. It is our intention to announce roadmaps in the most open way customers prefer to know less and creat rumours. 3. you got no MPEG-patent licences. We don't need them. Nobody needs them, but you have to pay them anyway. (Sisvel definition: any piece of HW who can decode MPEG algorith) 2. you base on made in China (synonym for crap in Europe) Iphone is made in China. I am mentioning a marketing problem. I am mentioning a quality problem. Besides, Iphone backside says assambled in China. 3. the PDA clam-shell form factor is obsolete Not a single one commented negatively about the clamshell. Psion Plc. invent the clamshell and set the top-level of usable keyboard verses form-factor with Series 3 twenty years ago. We are in the SMS/twitter age now. Some vitual keyboard with multi-touch usability is sufficient. People who want to write full sentences buy a pencil with white paper. In general, what advantage does the NanoNote have to an Iphone with Linux installed ? Christoph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: at+clvl control??
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 02:03, xChrisch...@c-64.mobi wrote: Hi, is there any program that can setup the 'at+clvl' ? The volume on the SHR-U is still low even I setup the alsa states... so I suspect that I have to increase the 'at+clvl' TIA chris AT+CLVL is set to 255 (max value) by default in SHR. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
On Friday 24 July 2009, Christoph Pulster wrote: 3. the PDA clam-shell form factor is obsolete Not a single one commented negatively about the clamshell. Psion Plc. invent the clamshell and set the top-level of usable keyboard verses form-factor with Series 3 twenty years ago. Then raised it again a few years later with the Series 5 We are in the SMS/twitter age now. Some vitual keyboard with multi-touch usability is sufficient. People who want to write full sentences buy a pencil with white paper. If that were true RIM wouldn't be doing so well. I still want a Series 5 with modern hardware inside and a screen from PixelQi, and I know several former Psion and Nokia Communicator owners who would agree. It may be a niche market, but it's a reasonably large niche that's currently unserved. The quality of the keyboard is critical here. In general, what advantage does the NanoNote have to an Iphone with Linux installed ? Price. Keyboard. Not having a capacitive touchscreen. No problem with scratched or broken screen because the clamshell provides protection. But they really aren't comparable devices anyway. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tango and the missing map tiles
Le jeudi 23 juillet 2009 22:08:03, Ben Wong a écrit :
Oops, that didn't work. That's what I get for trying to cleanup the
error checking before posting. This version actually works.
#!/bin/sh
# Look for OpenStreetMap tiles that are size zero (TangoGPS has a bug)
# and download the correct tile. Based on a one-line script by
# Rask Ingemann Lambertsen r...@sygehus.dk, June 2009,
# Modified by Ben Wong to work with BusyBox's wget.
cd ~/Maps/OSM || exit 1
find -size 0c -print \
| cut -c3- \
| awk ' { print http://tile.openstreetmap.org/; $0 -O $0; }' \
| xargs -n3 wget -U UpdateTiles
Hi,
I found this faster (but you need curl) :
find -type f -mtime +7 |
cut -c3- |
awk '{ print url = http://tile.openstreetmap.org/; $0 \noutput = $0 \n;
}' |
curl -K -
Only one instance of curl is executed, and it uses HTTP1.1 Keep Alive; it's
slow to start, but fast once running.
Just change the -mtime +7 according to your needs !
--
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Re: [openBmap] GSM/GPS logger 0.4.0 is out!
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Onen onen...@free.fr wrote: Hi everyone, comments from people have been used to build a new graphical interface! I hope you will like it! The list of changes can be found below... Thanks to mrmoku, Stefan Schmidt, and Sebastian Reichel, the packages are available in SHR, FSO, Debian, etc feeds. opkg|apt-get install openbmap-logger ! SUMMARY: The purpose of this software is to log GSM data, together with GPS coordinate. This data are sent to the website (www.openbmap.org), in order to build a free database. Possible uses of this database: * get your location based on the current GSM cell you are connected to. (GPS needs extra power to function, GSM is always on. Less precise than GPS, but enough for a lot of usages. Instant location, GPS needs time to get a fix.) * speed up GPS first time to fix by providing the location based on GSM data * etc. WHAT'S NEW SINCE 0.3.3? === * New graphical interface! * Glade file path not hardcoded anymore. * Application logging level now in config file. * Added cells seen statistics. * Details in CHANGELOG. WHAT'S NEW SINCE 0.3.2? === The version number 0.3.3 has been used in logs uploaded to the server. It was meant as a testing number for version 0.4.0 only. WARNING: * Please note that if you have your .openBmap folder located on your uSD card, setting the application logging output level to debug seems to make the logger take too much time for looping, thus rejecting the logs. By default, the level is set to info, and works well. * Note that the application refused to launch after an upgrade of SHR. This was because the GSM resource was not enabled. That means I had no working GSM anyway. Try rebooting ;-) Onen Hi, what's the difference to 'cellhunter'? Thanks Tony ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
Tony, just a few misconceptions - Qi is global, same as Openmoko. Headquarter in San Francisco, RD in Taiwan, Germany, USA. Production in China. About patents - we care a lot. Qi Hardware is Copyleft Hardware. How could we think that this would work if we didn't respect intellectual property? We are not basing a business on risking lawsuits. Our general approach is - avoid patented technology whenever possible. Research carefully, help ourselves and our partners to accidentally step into a patent mine, maybe join a patent defense pool. After all, owning a patent still doesn't mean that you can force everybody to make use of your patent. It's not that bad yet! :-) Thanks for the heads up... Wolfgang On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:52:17AM +0200, Tony Berth wrote: just few comments from a European! :) Its just FINE that you base your company in China. China is worldwide a synonym of superior quality and most advanced technology in terms of electronics and they are catching up extremely fast with the rest of the industrial activities. I wouldn't care about Sisvel. Let them try to sue you in ... China :) What Sisvel 'defines' is useless and they know that. How may chinese companies were sued anyway? :) iPhone is WAY too expensive! A pure Mickey Mouse device. What I would like to see from your product would be a about 150EUR one where I can install by myself the needed s/w (OpenMoko style!) and use it as a portable multimedia player - for the beginning! :) In general is a NICE TRY and hope you'll release soon a ready to run device. Cheers Tony On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Christoph Pulster openm...@pulster.dewrote: 2. you announce products which are not exitant for sales. It is our intention to announce roadmaps in the most open way customers prefer to know less and creat rumours. 3. you got no MPEG-patent licences. We don't need them. Nobody needs them, but you have to pay them anyway. (Sisvel definition: any piece of HW who can decode MPEG algorith) 2. you base on made in China (synonym for crap in Europe) Iphone is made in China. I am mentioning a marketing problem. I am mentioning a quality problem. Besides, Iphone backside says assambled in China. 3. the PDA clam-shell form factor is obsolete Not a single one commented negatively about the clamshell. Psion Plc. invent the clamshell and set the top-level of usable keyboard verses form-factor with Series 3 twenty years ago. We are in the SMS/twitter age now. Some vitual keyboard with multi-touch usability is sufficient. People who want to write full sentences buy a pencil with white paper. In general, what advantage does the NanoNote have to an Iphone with Linux installed ? Christoph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
On Friday 24 July 2009, Tony Berth wrote: I wouldn't care about Sisvel. Let them try to sue you in ... China :) What Sisvel 'defines' is useless and they know that. How may chinese companies were sued anyway? :) Christoph's problem is that as a reseller he's the one that gets sued, or has his stock seized by customs. It's no good being right if you can't afford to take it through court, and Sisvel know that too. On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Christoph Pulster openm...@pulster.dewrote: 3. you got no MPEG-patent licences. We don't need them. Nobody needs them, but you have to pay them anyway. (Sisvel definition: any piece of HW who can decode MPEG algorith) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangogps : updating tiles ?
2009/7/21 Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org:
for TILE in `find /path/to/tiles -type f`; do
echo ${TILE}
FILE=`basename ${TILE}`
L1=`dirname ${TILE} | gawk -F/ '{ print $NF}'`
L2=`dirname ${TILE} | gawk -F/ '{ print $(NF-1)}'`
curl --output ${TILE}
http://tile.openstreetmap.org/${L2}/${L1}/${FILE};
done
curl and http are on the same line, you mail program might split in over
two lines.
this updates the tiles on the moko regardless of whether or not they
have been re-rendered, right?
very useful, yaouh won't update tiles from the NoName layer, so having
this is great
it was going very slowly, so i added a '-s' to the curl command, and i
think things go a lot quicker now. no feedback, of course
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Re: tangogps : updating tiles ?
On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 22:25 +1200, Robin Paulson wrote:
2009/7/21 Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org:
for TILE in `find /path/to/tiles -type f`; do
echo ${TILE}
FILE=`basename ${TILE}`
L1=`dirname ${TILE} | gawk -F/ '{ print $NF}'`
L2=`dirname ${TILE} | gawk -F/ '{ print $(NF-1)}'`
curl --output ${TILE}
http://tile.openstreetmap.org/${L2}/${L1}/${FILE};
done
curl and http are on the same line, you mail program might split in over
two lines.
this updates the tiles on the moko regardless of whether or not they
have been re-rendered, right?
Yup, the original poster didn't mind downloading all the tiles he had
already.
very useful, yaouh won't update tiles from the NoName layer, so having
this is great
Thanks!
it was going very slowly, so i added a '-s' to the curl command, and i
think things go a lot quicker now. no feedback, of course
Please also take a look at the aproach mentioned by Christophe Badoit in
this ML.
It uses keep alive and could be much faster.
The script was just whipped up in 5 minutes without to much carefull
considerations ;-)
Kind regards,
Ed
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Re: Intone binary (to test bluetooth headset issues)
c_c wrote: well other things when i return to settings page it says speaker and not headphone :) Hmmm. That's not right - will take a look. I have the same issue : when opening the options menu it's always on 'speakers'. I made some tests (well, in fact i listened for 1hour+ of music :) ) ealier today, and it worked flawlessly. I only faced the following issue : if the device goes away (no more batteries, or you shut it down) intone will hang. Otherwise it's getting better everyday, keep on good work :) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Intone-binary-%28to-test-bluetooth-headset-issues%29-tp3307149p3315194.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reducing resume verbosity with Qi
Al Johnson wrote: On Friday 24 July 2009, William Kenworthy wrote: I am using Qi to boot a gta02 to a flashed shr-unstable (not on SD) It works ok, but after a few resumes it slows dramaticly due to verbose printing to the screen. Is there a way to fix this? With u-boot, I reduced the kernel verbosity to get a happy medium, but it looks like Qi cant do this unless you are booting from SD. That's correct as I understand it. Qi doesn't understand jffs2 so it can't read the usual file where the extra options would live. You should be able to drop the loglevel at runtime using: dmesg -n 4 This sets the console log level to warnings and above. It won't help with the boot time, but does a lot for the resume time. Another equivalent tip is listed here : http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Tweaks -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Reducing-resume-verbosity-with-Qi-tp3313067p3315246.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ANN: freesmartphone.org MS 5.5
2009/7/23 Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm 2009/7/19 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de The Freesmartphone.org team is proud to release milestone 5.5 codenamed 'In Transit...'. Are docs.freesmartphone.org going to be updated? There are no org.freesmartphone.PIM docs, is the interface still subject to change? Can I assume that the other interfaces docs are up-to-date? Thanks for the update! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [TI Calypso] I know it's NDA'ed but ...
Dnia 2009-07-24, pią o godzinie 11:03 +0200, Nekron pisze: I wonder what will happen to the TI Calypso stuff inside the Freerunner? Now that OM stopped business who will take care of the GSM modem part and Subscribe to gta02-c...@lists.openmoko.org There is a lot of talk about this issues there these days. Please don't let the calypso stuff be a dead end for us! Opening this part of the device would make the Freerunner even more interesting for developers since it would be (except the glamo *) a truely open phone by then. I follow gta02-core list just for few days but it looks like calypso is going to be dropped in favour of another solution. -- Kind Regards Patryk Benderz IT Specialist Linux Registered User #377521 +48 22 538 6292 ERSTE Securities Polska S.A. ul. Królewska 16 Warszawa 00-103 KRS 065121 NIP 526-10-27-638 REGON 011136053 Kapitał akcyjny: 15.500.000 złotych (w pełni opłacony) This message and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the addressee(s). Any publication, transmission or other use of the information by a person or entity other than the intended addressee is prohibited. If you receive this in error please contact the sender and delete the material. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions as a result of the transmission. Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone binary (to test bluetooth headset issues)
Hi, KaZeR wrote: I only faced the following issue : if the device goes away (no more batteries, or you shut it down) intone will hang. Can you run mplayer in the terminal (with -msglevel global=6) shut down the headphone and send me the errors that mplayer comes up with? Thanks. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Intone-binary-%28to-test-bluetooth-headset-issues%29-tp3307149p3315766.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone binary (to test bluetooth headset issues)
Hi. Unfortunately, if you're blocking duplicate keypresses within anything less than a second, it's pointless. No-one else seems to have this problem, and for me, they are typically .6-.8 seconds apart. Maybe you could make it some kind of 'hidden feature' since you don't want it eating up GUI space, but at least for me, it's a critically necessary feature. Maybe a cmdline option or conf-file option? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ANN: freesmartphone.org MS 5.5
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:20:17AM +0200, Michal Brzozowski wrote: Are docs.freesmartphone.org going to be updated? There are no org.freesmartphone.PIM docs, is the interface still subject to change? Can I assume that the other interfaces docs are up-to-date? Missing/insufficient documentation off the top of my head: org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX.Status org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Position.GetPosition first return value -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix party Barcelona, the movie
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 12:54:02AM +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: Hm, i'm sorry but how to actually see the movie? The link David mentions leads only to some blog post with a picture, text and a link to some swf :-/ I think it's this one (in three different resolutions): http://www.dailymotion.com/cdn/FLV-80x60/video/x9snk3?key=8a04a19aba46505a407d1fce1b492fce13d8710 http://www.dailymotion.com/cdn/FLV-320x240/video/x9snk3?key=8a04a19aba46505a407d1fce1b492fce13d8710 http://www.dailymotion.com/cdn/H264-512x384/video/x9snk3?key=8a04a19aba46505a407d1fce1b492fce13d8710 It's been a while since I've last seen a C= t-shirt anywhere. -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [TI Calypso] I know it's NDA'ed but ...
On Friday 24 July 2009, Nekron wrote: I wonder what will happen to the TI Calypso stuff inside the Freerunner? Now that OM stopped business who will take care of the GSM modem part and fix issues if they are found? As a now full community supported mobile hardware platform wouldn't it be possible to contact TI and release the Calpyso SDK under some community license? I mean the GSM modem is an old one and why can't it be de-NDA'ed by TI? It probably wouldn't hurt to ask, but don't get your hopes up. TI have little to gain, and a release will cost them at least the time taken to ensure they are allowed to release the information. They may not be allowed to release it, even if they wanted to, for a number of reasons including third party rights holders and regulatory rules. Could someone of the former OM staff try to contact them and explain our situation for this or must we live forever with the current state of the GSM firmware as a black box which would be really sad. As for #1024 there is that hardware fix but we will never know if by chance it could be software fixed (I know that the former OM developers had inspected the calypso firmware, however the more ppl would analyse the code the chances are higher that some fix could be possibly found). A good chunk of the code in that area is a binary blob even to Openmoko, which is one of the reasons the problem was difficult to debug in the first place. You are asking for more access than even Openmoko had. Please don't let the calypso stuff be a dead end for us! Opening this part of the device would make the Freerunner even more interesting for developers since it would be (except the glamo *) a truely open phone by then. I think you stand a better chance of getting the Glamo opened than the Calypso! I assume you would like Atheros to open the WLAN firmware too. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ANN: freesmartphone.org MS 5.5
2009/7/19 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de You can download images for GTA01 and GTA02 here: http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone5.5/ I'd like to install FSO on SHR unstable, is it possible? When will SHR unstable images come with 5.5 milestone? Michal ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [TI Calypso] I know it's NDA'ed but ...
On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 17:30 +0100, Al Johnson wrote: On Friday 24 July 2009, Nekron wrote: I wonder what will happen to the TI Calypso stuff inside the Freerunner? Now that OM stopped business who will take care of the GSM modem part and fix issues if they are found? As a now full community supported mobile hardware platform wouldn't it be possible to contact TI and release the Calpyso SDK under some community license? I mean the GSM modem is an old one and why can't it be de-NDA'ed by TI? It probably wouldn't hurt to ask, but don't get your hopes up. TI have little to gain, and a release will cost them at least the time taken to ensure they are allowed to release the information. They may not be allowed to release it, even if they wanted to, for a number of reasons including third party rights holders and regulatory rules. problem is, GSM network security is maintained by using bogus secret management processes, including not revealing the inner working of GSM chipsets. If you have a ticket for HAR, there will be plenty of GSM hacking there, which you may find interesting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangogps : updating tiles ?
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:07:58PM +0200, Ed Kapitein wrote:
On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 11:20 +0200, Xavier Cremaschi wrote:
Does anyone know how I can update my tiles to get the most up-to-date
openstreetmap info ?
I will recommend using Yaouh! or the other one that I've forgotten the
name of, search for command line yaouh clone in the archives. But that
should not be allowed to ruin the fun of working it out on the command line:
It might be as easy as this:
for TILE in `find /path/to/tiles -type f`; do
echo ${TILE}
FILE=`basename ${TILE}`
L1=`dirname ${TILE} | gawk -F/ '{ print $NF}'`
L2=`dirname ${TILE} | gawk -F/ '{ print $(NF-1)}'`
curl --output ${TILE}
http://tile.openstreetmap.org/${L2}/${L1}/${FILE};
done
curl and http are on the same line, you mail program might split in over
two lines.
Shorter (and likely faster) using awk, xargs and wget:
$ (cd ~/Maps/OSM find -type f -print | cut -c3- | \
awk ' { print http://tile.openstreetmap.org/; $0; }' | \
xargs wget --force-directories --no-host-directories -N --user-agent 'Opera')
-N doesn't do what you hope it does, but it has the important side effect of
making wget overwrite existing files instead of creating file.1.
Figuring out what needs to be done to obviate the need for
--no-host-directories is left as an excercise to the reader.
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Re: tangogps : updating tiles ?
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 09:31:59PM +1200, Robin Paulson wrote: why do you think wget has been banned? Because it says so: $ wget http://tile.openstreetmap.org/2/2/2.png --2009-07-24 12:10:17-- http://tile.openstreetmap.org/2/2/2.png Løser tile.openstreetmap.org...91.198.174.8 Connecting to tile.openstreetmap.org|91.198.174.8|:80... forbundet. HTTP forespørgsel sendt, afventer svar... 403 Forbidden 2009-07-24 12:10:17 FEJL 403: Forbidden. -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ANN: freesmartphone.org MS 5.5
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 18:41, Michal Brzozowskiruso...@poczta.fm wrote: 2009/7/19 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de You can download images for GTA01 and GTA02 here: http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone5.5/ I'd like to install FSO on SHR unstable, is it possible? When will SHR unstable images come with 5.5 milestone? Michal It comes for ages. You're probably already using ms5.5 - it was in SHR some time before release. SHR-unstable is always using the newest frameworkd from git. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ANN: freesmartphone.org MS 5.5
I'd like to install FSO on SHR unstable, is it possible? When will SHR ehh, isn't SHR _based_ on FSO? How do you imagine installing it this way? -- Kind Regards Patryk Benderz IT Specialist Linux Registered User #377521 +48 22 538 6292 ERSTE Securities Polska S.A. ul. Królewska 16 Warszawa 00-103 KRS 065121 NIP 526-10-27-638 REGON 011136053 Kapitał akcyjny: 15.500.000 złotych (w pełni opłacony) This message and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the addressee(s). Any publication, transmission or other use of the information by a person or entity other than the intended addressee is prohibited. If you receive this in error please contact the sender and delete the material. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions as a result of the transmission. Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ANN: freesmartphone.org MS 5.5
2009/7/24 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com SHR-unstable is always using the newest frameworkd from git. Thanks, I wasn't sure. Doing opkg upgrade now. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangogps : updating tiles ?
Perhaps a handful of tile mirrors could be set up. I can offer some space for this. -david ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[all] ffalarms led color
just a quick question in regards to ffalarms. i was looking around in the led clock app page on the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/LED_clock it makes mention of being able to change the clock color. is there any support for this in ffalarms? - jeremy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
Exactly, As I've said before people do a dis service to values of openess by these point comparisons between iPhone and everything else. But if that comparison must be made then let the first bullet point be this: Open versus Closed. That said if the goal is to create an iPhone clone with Linux on board then I see these paths: 1. Convince Apple that Copyleft is the way to go for hardware and software. Good chance there. NANNY APPLE won't even let you put adult content on your phone. I spent the day two days ago with a really cool company that signed all apple agreements, developed some VERY COOL hardware to attach to the phone and Apple shut them down COLD.. after they originally told the company that they could develop the hardware. Why? the hardware would fuck with apple's roadmap. thank you Nanny Apple. 2. Build a Copyleft version of the Iphone from scratch. pass me 400Million and I'll get right on it! But you can't just build the iPhone, you have to build what apple will ship 18 months from now to be competitive. 3. Do an Anti vendor port. I support mickey 100% in his anti vendor ports. This is one way to get open software on closed platforms. HOWEVER, by the time the port is done the hardware is obsolete ( by iPhone standards) and more importantly, the hardware hackers are left out. That said I think Mickey's approach is one that people should support with their time and effort. It will bear fruit over time. 4. Take an existing design ( like NanoNote) and over time add capability to it. Start small and simple. Open the design from the start. Allow the hardware community to mod the hardware ( and copy back design improvements) and give the software community a stable but evolving platform to develop on. So. #1. I didn't want to waste my time trying to talk apple into destroying their business. #2. I didnt have 400 Million dollars. #3. Mickey is going down his path. That's one front in the war. Put your efforts behind him. #4. I can start down the long long path of planting a seed and helping it grow. The beginning of that Journey ( #4) happens to be a cool little linux in my pocket. We've been contacted by people who want to turn it into a twitter client or jabber client. Will we do that? I'm not sure. But since the hardware will be copyleft, if SOMEBODY wants to take the design and optimize it for SMS or email, then 1.) the community will have another device with Linux on it. 2) they won't be able to charge outrageous prices. 3 They'll have to copy back the design improvements. When they copy back designs then one can hope for network effects and the long journey gets some momentum. Many are missing the importance and the critical difference that Copyleft hardware brings. If you don't like the fact that nanonote doesnt have a touch screen then, take the design files add a touch screen, copy back the design. If you have money, then get that design built and sell it. Qi-hardware won't complain. Why? because the community will have more choice about what to buy. If somebody, for example, really really thinks that clamshell sucks, then there is a ready solution. take our design, modify and improve it, copy back the improvements, build the thing and let the market decide. In short, I think the only effective way I have of competing on the hardware side is by applying the principles of Copyleft. On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 2:27 AM, john jptmo...@gmail.com wrote: Actually one of the things I would like to do with a NanoNote is turn it into a dedicated Twitter client! I think opinion will always be divided on form factor. I have owned many devices from the Psion Series II through to the iPhone but I still like Zaurus clamshell designs. I also like the idea of a tiny Linux computer in my pocket or even on a key chain. I don't see the progression as trying to compete with the iPhone but to look at new areas such as hackable wearable computing. Thus I am interested in seeing things get smaller and cheaper and more hackable and not getting more shiny! John. 2009/7/24 Christoph Pulster openm...@pulster.de: [snip] Psion Plc. invent the clamshell and set the top-level of usable keyboard verses form-factor with Series 3 twenty years ago. We are in the SMS/twitter age now. Some vitual keyboard with multi-touch usability is sufficient. People who want to write full sentences buy a pencil with white paper. In general, what advantage does the NanoNote have to an Iphone with Linux installed ? Christoph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org
[CU] voting required
Hello list, As i have finished layout for DistributionBox templates, please take a look at [1] to see how DistributionBox would look like, which you like most and post your votes here or on wiki discussion page. After lets say a week or two, we will count votes and winner will be included in coming CU as a template for distro - if any will be released of course :) Anyone interested how template is constructed can take a look here [2]. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Leadman [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Template:DistributionBox -- Kind Regards Patryk Benderz IT Specialist Linux Registered User #377521 +48 22 538 6292 ERSTE Securities Polska S.A. ul. Królewska 16 Warszawa 00-103 KRS 065121 NIP 526-10-27-638 REGON 011136053 Kapitał akcyjny: 15.500.000 złotych (w pełni opłacony) This message and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the addressee(s). Any publication, transmission or other use of the information by a person or entity other than the intended addressee is prohibited. If you receive this in error please contact the sender and delete the material. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions as a result of the transmission. Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [CU] voting required
2009/7/24, Patryk Benderz patryk.bend...@esp.pl: Hello list, As i have finished layout for DistributionBox templates, please take a look at [1] to see how DistributionBox would look like, which you like most and post your votes here or on wiki discussion page. After lets say a week or two, we will count votes and winner will be included in coming CU as a template for distro - if any will be released of course :) Anyone interested how template is constructed can take a look here [2]. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Leadman [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Template:DistributionBox -- Kind Regards Patryk Benderz IT Specialist Linux Registered User #377521 +48 22 538 6292 ERSTE Securities Polska S.A. ul. Królewska 16 Warszawa 00-103 KRS 065121 NIP 526-10-27-638 REGON 011136053 Kapitał akcyjny: 15.500.000 złotych (w pełni opłacony) This message and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the addressee(s). Any publication, transmission or other use of the information by a person or entity other than the intended addressee is prohibited. If you receive this in error please contact the sender and delete the material. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions as a result of the transmission. Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hi! I hope I'm interpreting this correctly: Is this template to be included into the community updates when a new image of a distribution is released? It was hard to tell from your mail. Well, I prefer version 1. As black and orange are not the official colours of openmoko anymore we shouldn't use them too much. Furthermore a big coloured box seems out of place in the community updates whose style is currently rather decent. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
Wolfgang Spraul wolfg...@qi-hardware.com writes: Do you know other free 3D tools? http://irc.esben-stien.name/mediawiki/index.php/NURBS -- Esben Stien is b...@e s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [fso] no bluetooth
mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.ListResources fyi, on shr-u on the same command i get this: ['Display', 'CPU', 'TEST', 'Bluetooth', 'GSM', 'WiFi', 'GPS'] Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Community Updates] July 23, 2009 released!
awesome, thanks!! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: om2009/paroli status
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Mirko Lindnervegyra...@paroli-project.org wrote: Less man power is the right way of putting it. There still is development on both projects but less than before. Laszlo is doing a great job improving things in paroli which I am very thankful for. Hard to believe: http://git.paroli-project.org/?p=paroli.git;a=summary - last changes 12 days ago, the commits before that are from 3 weeks ago.. (I understand that Laszlo didn't get the support needed but got some of his code rejected - lost interest.. ) There still is the plan to release a final version of Om2009. It would be good if we could assemble a list of problems in paroli that need fixing for the release. How about http://www.paroli-project.org/trac/report/1 or http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli-issues ? r - someone unhappy feeling that no-one is working on Paroli or bugfixing it.. I actually tried Zhone the other day (when Paroli or FSO failed to delete SMS's from the SIM) and was very pleased with it - I'd really like to see it developed further! -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] navit - howto config navit.xml
Super, thanks Sebastian, Are you navit's maintainter then? (Just curious). Could you provide an idea when the feeds will be rebuilt, or any background info on how that happens? Thanks again, Tim Abell Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: I already told you why - that's configuration problem. Conf files are refering to libriaries, which are usually found in -dev packages. I fixed it yesterday, on next feed rebuild in SHR -dev package won't be needed (and speech-dispatcher dpenedency will be dropped) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: travel-diary a simple GPS application
Thanks! I can't promise I have time to try this or move it to the wiki before travelling - anyone feel free to write it there try it out! r On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Christian Rübchristian.r...@gmx.net wrote: wiki page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Travel_Diary Christian, well done! I'll be travelling on Monday and would like to integrate this somehow on my wordpress blog or something. Don't have the time right now to check but is the process documented somewhere (how to set up the .cgi script etc etc on the server etc?). In what formats can I get the reports out? Is anyone of you running this now somewhere, could you please link the URL? Thanks! Hi Risto, how about this - I try to explain to you how to set up everything and you add this information to the wiki page - this way it is written from a user's view what might help other users :) Get my CGI examples from here [1] and add a password file in the same directory but make sure it's inaccessible from web through a .htaccess file [2] and create a subdirectory data (this is where your diary files will be stored). On your Freerunner you have to configure the send script (it's a really easy shell script), to match your username/password and CGI script on your server. So what happens is: You execute the send script on your moko (using the button) and it will send your file via curl to your server. The file will be stored in data/ The diary.kml file is a perl script as well that creates a kml. file (e.g. you can link it directly to google maps). To make it work you have to define .kml files as CGI in your webserver config [2]. What happens if someone downloads the diary.kml file: The script is executed on your webserver and offers a real kml file for download. So all you need to do is use the link to your kml file somewhere. Just a note on the .htaccess file. It alows you to execute scripts in current directory and tells your web server to execute .kml files. Access to passwd and data are not allowed (to protect your data). If you need any more help or I did not express myself clearly enough just let me know. I hope at some point someone will understand what all this is for :) [1] http://git.senfdax.de/?p=travel-diary;a=tree;f=server_example [2] exmaple .htaccess: Options ExecCGI AddHandler cgi-script .kml RewriteRule ^passwd$ - [forbidden] RewriteRule ^data/.*$ - [forbidden] Cheers, Christian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] navit - howto config navit.xml
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 00:36, Tim Abellt...@timwise.co.uk wrote: Super, thanks Sebastian, Are you navit's maintainter then? (Just curious). Could you provide an idea when the feeds will be rebuilt, or any background info on how that happens? Thanks again, Tim Abell No, i'm just SHR developer who wanted to have Navit runnable by default ;) About feeds - bug mrmoku, but I thought that packages are already in feeds :( -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Can my FreeRunner remind me to shut it down if it is still running at 22:00?
Hello list, I still have not received my FreeRunner, but UPS says the package is scheduled to be delivered on Tuesday. Anyway, I have found Yet Another limitation of my Nokia 6103b. I am almost certain the FreeRunner will be able to do what I need, but I wanted to ask how. I prefer to shut down my cell phone before going to bed, but I frequently forget to do so. I used to have an alarm in my Palm Z22 (which is a PDA only, not a phone) that sounded every day at 22:00 to remind me to shut down my cell phone. I no longer have that alarm because I had to stop using my Palm Z22 because its touch screen no longer works except when it is cold (see my previous message to this list about the reliability of resistive touch screens). I thought it would make more sense to have my cell phone remind me to shut it down instead of having another device remind me to shut down my cell phone, but the best I can do with my Nokia 6103b is have an alarm that sounds every day at 22:00 even if I have already shut down the Nokia 6103b by then. It is obviously pointless to have the Nokia 6103b remind me to shut it down when it has already been shut down, but I asked Nokia if the Nokia 6103b could do what I wanted and they answered no. So, how can I do this with my FreeRunner? :) Thanks, Brolin -- Sometimes I forget how to do small talk: http://xkcd.com/222/ “What if there were no hypothetical questions?” — George Carlin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[shr-u] navit package change request - no desktop icon
Hiya, Could I ask whoever packages navit for shr unstable to modify the .desktop file so it shows up on the main screen? in /usr/share/applications/navit.desktop Categories=GTK; should read Categories=Applications; or similar. Thanks Tim Abell ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can my FreeRunner remind me to shut it down if it is still running at 22:00?
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 00:44, Brolin Empeybro...@brolin.be wrote: Hello list, I still have not received my FreeRunner, but UPS says the package is scheduled to be delivered on Tuesday. Anyway, I have found Yet Another limitation of my Nokia 6103b. I am almost certain the FreeRunner will be able to do what I need, but I wanted to ask how. I prefer to shut down my cell phone before going to bed, but I frequently forget to do so. I used to have an alarm in my Palm Z22 (which is a PDA only, not a phone) that sounded every day at 22:00 to remind me to shut down my cell phone. I no longer have that alarm because I had to stop using my Palm Z22 because its touch screen no longer works except when it is cold (see my previous message to this list about the reliability of resistive touch screens). I thought it would make more sense to have my cell phone remind me to shut it down instead of having another device remind me to shut down my cell phone, but the best I can do with my Nokia 6103b is have an alarm that sounds every day at 22:00 even if I have already shut down the Nokia 6103b by then. It is obviously pointless to have the Nokia 6103b remind me to shut it down when it has already been shut down, but I asked Nokia if the Nokia 6103b could do what I wanted and they answered no. So, how can I do this with my FreeRunner? :) Thanks, Brolin Simply. Use at, or cron... Or write python or even bash script... You can also do automatic change profile to silend instead of shutting down... That's Linux box which fits in your pocket. You can do everything. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can my FreeRunner remind me to shut it down if it is still running at 22:00?
On Friday 24 July 2009 06:56:22 pm Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: That's Linux box which fits in your pocket. You can do everything. Except for charging while it is off, but that is a different story XP -- We must plan for freedom, and not only for security, if for no other reason than only freedom can make security more secure. Karl Popper signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-unstable] navit won't run
I just timed that install of navit-dev 53 minutes. meh. real53m 25.40s user6m 54.57s sys 23m 41.86s Tim arne anka wrote: On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:31:22 +0200, Tim Abell t...@timwise.co.uk wrote: opkg install navit-dev (installs *lots* of dedpedencies) of course -- it is a devel package. to me your symptoms sound like you didn't have a working configuration (ie navit.xml). maybe navit-dev simply installed something working? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can my FreeRunner remind me to shut it down if it is still running at 22:00?
2009/7/24 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com Simply. Use at, or cron... Or write python or even bash script... You can also do automatic change profile to silend instead of shutting down... That's Linux box which fits in your pocket. You can do everything. If I create a cron job that runs every day at 22:00, will the cron job run even if I have already shut down my FreeRunner by 22:00? I guess not, but I wanted to ask to be certain. Also, what is the best program to use for this reminder as the command in the crontab entry? Does the FreeRunner even have an “off” state like a desktop computer, or does the power button (I assume it has a power button, or a button that functions as a power button, like the End Call button on my Nokia 6103b and I think on most other Nokia cell phones?) put it in a sleep state like my Palm Z22, where all alarms still work? I quoted “off” because I know a modern IBM PC-compatible computer, for example, is never truly/completely off because the real-time clock, for example, is always running. On an ATX motherboard, the +5V standby is still on even when the soft power switch on the front of the case says the PC is off. AFAIK, when a user says their modern PC is “off”, they really mean it is in ACPI state 5. Is that right? I do not remember the details about the ACPI states. Would it be better to use a task/todo list application or some type of scheduling application that is always running (as a daemon, for example) to remind me to shut down my FreeRunner? I know there are many ways of using Linux to accomplish my goal, but I do not know what the best way is because I have not needed to do this with a Linux computer before. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can my FreeRunner remind me to shut it down if it is still running at 22:00?
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 01:24, Brolin Empeybro...@brolin.be wrote: 2009/7/24 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com Simply. Use at, or cron... Or write python or even bash script... You can also do automatic change profile to silend instead of shutting down... That's Linux box which fits in your pocket. You can do everything. If I create a cron job that runs every day at 22:00, will the cron job run even if I have already shut down my FreeRunner by 22:00? I guess not, but I wanted to ask to be certain. If you'll use RTC clock, then it will turn on or resume from suspend. If you won't, then it'll stay off. Also, what is the best program to use for this reminder as the command in the crontab entry? Well, you can just write python script in few lines. Does the FreeRunner even have an “off” state like a desktop computer, or does the power button (I assume it has a power button, or a button that functions as a power button, like the End Call button on my Nokia 6103b and I think on most other Nokia cell phones?) put it in a sleep state like my Palm Z22, where all alarms still work? I quoted “off” because I know a modern IBM PC-compatible computer, for example, is never truly/completely off because the real-time clock, for example, is always running. On an ATX motherboard, the +5V standby is still on even when the soft power switch on the front of the case says the PC is off. AFAIK, when a user says their modern PC is “off”, they really mean it is in ACPI state 5. Is that right? I do not remember the details about the ACPI states. Dunno much about hardware, but poweroff or halt commands are working on FR, and they are turning it off. There is RTC clock running, but I think it comes from internal battery (which is used to keep you date/time setting) Would it be better to use a task/todo list application or some type of scheduling application that is always running (as a daemon, for example) to remind me to shut down my FreeRunner? It depends. If you already want to use such application, then probably better choise is using it. I know there are many ways of using Linux to accomplish my goal, but I do not know what the best way is because I have not needed to do this with a Linux computer before. Just be creative :) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: This stupid phone is unbelievable COOL!!!! 8)
2009/7/22 li...@kitepilot.com So I do: kitepi...@beechjet:~$ ssh -fCX r...@192.168.0.202 /usr/bin/midori And I have the browser running in my desktop monitor. Only *TRUE* geeks can appreciate that! ;-) That reminds me of when I used my dad’s Eee PC (701? The original model, with 4 GB of NAND flash memory) to use OpenSSH’s X11 forwarding to run Quake III: Arena (Q3A) on my desktop PC running Gentoo Linux (I have since switched to Ubuntu because Gentoo was far more hassle than it was worth) and display and control Q3A from the Eee PC, which was on the second floor of my house and wirelessly connected to the Internet gateway, which has a wired Ethernet connection to my desktop PC on the ground floor! :D I can also do pointless but amusing things like ssh to k7t266 (my Ubuntu PC at home) from my cannon (my Ubuntu PC at work), then use the Hamachi VPN client to connect to my employer’s Hamachi network, ssh to Repository (our Debian Linux file server at work), then finally ssh back to cannon. :D Of course, if you have to ask why, you are not part of the intended audience! :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: This stupid phone is unbelievable COOL!!!! 8)
I can relate to this one... I was tasked to port this UNIX application from CORBA to Axis2C and I was handed out a (WHAT?!) Window$ XP laptop... I dual booted the Laptop (to have a fall back resource) and installed Kubuntu. I slapped a virtual XP on top to do the windoze thing (Outlook ans stuff like that). Then I created a Samba share that was pointed to an sshfs mounted to the UNIX machine so I could browse the source directly from the XP machine without scaring anyone. For work at home days, I would fire the virtual M$, connect to the VPN and login into the UNIX machine. Then I would set a reverse tunnel to my server and then a reverse tunnel to the laptop. I had scripts that detected the environment and mounted the filesystem appropriately. Pretty geeky... :) ET PS: Gave up SHR. Now I am OpenWRT(ing) Hope it works... Brolin Empey writes: 2009/7/22 li...@kitepilot.com So I do: kitepi...@beechjet:~$ ssh -fCX r...@192.168.0.202 /usr/bin/midori And I have the browser running in my desktop monitor. Only *TRUE* geeks can appreciate that! ;-) That reminds me of when I used my dad’s Eee PC (701? The original model, with 4 GB of NAND flash memory) to use OpenSSH’s X11 forwarding to run Quake III: Arena (Q3A) on my desktop PC running Gentoo Linux (I have since switched to Ubuntu because Gentoo was far more hassle than it was worth) and display and control Q3A from the Eee PC, which was on the second floor of my house and wirelessly connected to the Internet gateway, which has a wired Ethernet connection to my desktop PC on the ground floor! :D I can also do pointless but amusing things like ssh to k7t266 (my Ubuntu PC at home) from my cannon (my Ubuntu PC at work), then use the Hamachi VPN client to connect to my employer’s Hamachi network, ssh to Repository (our Debian Linux file server at work), then finally ssh back to cannon. :D Of course, if you have to ask why, you are not part of the intended audience! :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenWrt ROCKS!!! :) So far... :| (And question about headset volume)
Well, with OpenWrt I can finally place and receive calls and messages. And the phone responds to the screen when I get a call after it goes to sleep. IT WORKS!!! 8) However, the volume in the wire headseat is VERY low and I have no idea about the bluetooth. Does anybody knows how to make work either? Prefer the wire... THANKS!!! ET ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can my FreeRunner remind me to shut it down if it is still running at 22:00?
2009/7/25 Brolin Empey bro...@brolin.be: I prefer to shut down my cell phone before going to bed, but I frequently it may be easier to schedule a cron job which shuts the phone down for you. sounding an alarm to remind you to do something the phone can do, sounds like it's missing the point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [CU] voting required
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Patryk Benderzpatryk.bend...@esp.pl wrote: Hello list, As i have finished layout for DistributionBox templates, please take a look at [1] to see how DistributionBox would look like, which you like most and post your votes here or on wiki discussion page. After lets say a week or two, we will count votes and winner will be included in coming CU as a template for distro - if any will be released of course :) Anyone interested how template is constructed can take a look here [2]. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Leadman [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Template:DistributionBox Hello, I prefer the first template too. but is it possible to have the third column (hardware/works) for that one ? mathieu -- Kind Regards Patryk Benderz IT Specialist Linux Registered User #377521 +48 22 538 6292 ERSTE Securities Polska S.A. ul. Królewska 16 Warszawa 00-103 KRS 065121 NIP 526-10-27-638 REGON 011136053 Kapitał akcyjny: 15.500.000 złotych (w pełni opłacony) This message and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the addressee(s). Any publication, transmission or other use of the information by a person or entity other than the intended addressee is prohibited. If you receive this in error please contact the sender and delete the material. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions as a result of the transmission. Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [CU] voting required
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Patryk Benderzpatryk.bend...@esp.pl wrote: Hello list, As i have finished layout for DistributionBox templates, please take a look at [1] to see how DistributionBox would look like, which you like most and post your votes here or on wiki discussion page. Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community v.2 works for me ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: om2009/paroli status
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Risto H. Kurppari...@kurppa.fi wrote: [...] r - someone unhappy feeling that no-one is working on Paroli or bugfixing it.. I actually tried Zhone the other day (when Paroli or FSO failed to delete SMS's from the SIM) and was very pleased with it - I'd really like to see it developed further! Hi Risto, If I remember well Mickey announced that zhone will not get anymore improvements and the one in fso 5.5 is basically the same of 5.1 :(. I suppose that FSO/SHR joint will mean that while FSO will be improved and extended SHR applications will be the natural candidate for their testing and reference implementation. As there is a distro based on zhone I do not know if at least their guys will improve it. The problem is that SHR promised on late 2008 a stable milestone, after that it was forgotten, they promised again on 22 may 2009, a lot of unstable to test fork where done and abandoned. Finally I just realized that it's a real nice hacking distro with tons of bleeding edge and regular breaking updates and there is no real interesting on stabilize it. I do not want to hurt anyone is only my opinion. With om2009 release plan I just thought: SHR has no man power or will to maintain two different branch, the stable and the developing at least now, the same for OM guys with OM2009, but I'm lucky and I may have OM2009 on the flash to have a stable working device, and shr on the SD to test and enjoy bleeding edge. I'm really afraid of all the shots that our device is taking while I think that the community is completely unorganized and the term community driven completely abused. m2c Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[all] opkg killed by navit install
i've been trying to install the latest navit (2398) from the navit repository, and am having the usual problems with opkg not being able to handle it. i've created a 128mb swap file, and turned off the x server, but no dice. any ideas, guys? why does this require so much ram, is this a fundamental flaw in opkg? i assume any package of a large size (navit is 5mb, hardly gigantic) will cause these problems. in the meantime, could navit be broken down into sub-packages, i assume it's not one file taking the entire 5MB? navit-gui and navit-data, for example? cheers ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone binary (to test bluetooth headset issues)
Hi, The Digital Pioneer wrote: No-one else seems to have this problem, and for me, they are typically .6-.8 seconds apart. Ok. Will move this to a gui settings option. And back to 1 sec between keypresses. Wasn't sure if this was more common or not. But, I agree, it doesn't seem to be. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Intone-binary-%28to-test-bluetooth-headset-issues%29-tp3307149p3323959.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can my FreeRunner remind me to shut it down if it is still running at 22:00?
2009/7/24 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com 2009/7/25 Brolin Empey bro...@brolin.be: I prefer to shut down my cell phone before going to bed, but I frequently it may be easier to schedule a cron job which shuts the phone down for you. sounding an alarm to remind you to do something the phone can do, sounds like it's missing the point I may be using the phone at 22:00, though, in which case I do not want it to automatically shut down. :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can my FreeRunner remind me to shut it down if it is still running at 22:00?
Brolin Empey wrote: 2009/7/24 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com 2009/7/25 Brolin Empey bro...@brolin.be: I prefer to shut down my cell phone before going to bed, but I frequently it may be easier to schedule a cron job which shuts the phone down for you. sounding an alarm to remind you to do something the phone can do, sounds like it's missing the point I may be using the phone at 22:00, though, in which case I do not want it to automatically shut down. :) Well, there are ways around that, too. As an example, your script could start by popping up an xmessage on the screen asking the user if he wants to shut down now, with a No button that stops the process, and a timeout in case the user isn't there. Then, it could call shutdown with a delay (e.g. shutting down in 5 minutes instead of now), this will send a message to users logged in via other ways than X (e.g. via ssh), and can also be cancelled. The user would then have 5 minutes to cancel the shutdown (using shutdown -c), after that it would shut down on its own. Of course, similar methods could be used to just give a reminder as well. E.g., use an audio player (aplay, ogg123, ...) to make a sound, and pop up a message similar to the one above (though perhaps without timeout, just the Yes/No buttons, or just OK if you want it manual). I'll admit to not being very up on current events though, so there might be better ways of doing those things (playing sound, showing message/question, shutting down) in the framework, instead of the common *nix utilities I'm considering. -EdorFaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [CU] voting required
v1 please, i quite prefer the clean white background ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [CU] voting required
I like V1, but there has to be some sort of clear defining line that defines the border between two of them(line, etc). It would also be really great if it had either V3 or V4's table, as that is really nice. On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:50 PM, David Ford da...@blue-labs.org wrote: v1 please, i quite prefer the clean white background ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [all] ffalarms led color
I installed, then edited the theme (edj file) for it to change colour and disable that braindead puzzle. BillK On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 11:08 -0700, jeremy jozwik wrote: just a quick question in regards to ffalarms. i was looking around in the led clock app page on the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/LED_clock it makes mention of being able to change the clock color. is there any support for this in ffalarms? - jeremy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
