Re: [QtMoko] new images v6 - problems over problems.
Tschaka wrote: Hello, QTMoko doesnt seem to make it for me. although it feels like a phone, it is totally unreliable. it's totally freezing occassionally, which led me twice to a broken file system, which the fsck at startup didnt fix (it wanted to reboot after fsck, but then i got a nice kernel panic). You can try put it in NAND instead of SD card. I think Freerunner/kernel do not work well with some kind of SD cards. E.g. i have bought Kingston 8GB SD card. QtMoko booted only like in 50% cases resulting mostly in some mmc related kernel messages scrolling on the screen. So i changed this card with friend's SanDisk 4GB and this one works just fine. But NAND is probably best place to have stable phone. I never had problems when running from NAND. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtmoko] Not recieving all sms
Alexander Syring wrote: I think the problem is that the phone doesn't wake up on sms. If the phone is online I get all sms directly. But if the phone is in power safe the sms stay on sim and messages doesn't call them I dont think it's that easy. Just tested that my phone correctly wakes up from suspend on incoming SMS. Btw how do you change to flight-mode? Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko on HTC-Dream (Can anyone help?)
hi, As you know we first tried to remove(/free) the non-free android part related to the drivers for the G1,but you came and you made shown how to run the distro of your choice on the G1... I did the first step an I've forked the android kernel to remove android components. What do you mean by remove android components? just remove them? or replace them with standard components? for instance the USB function framework can be replaced by the gadget framework easily,just changing the .config http://gitorious.org/openmoko-msm-2-6-29 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_on_HTC-Dream so which one should I clone,the official one or your repo? We are now more organized and we have a name(replicant),and an IRC channel ( #replicant on freenode),but we are waiting for the rest of the infrastructure Our goal is to free the G1,that is to say port GNU/Linux(with FSO) on it but also replace some android components with free ones so far: *you've got the wifi and the screen working Screen works. I've got Enlightment running right now. Touchscreen and mouse work perfect too. wow! how did you do that? I'm stuck with screen now(I've just made usbnet work) Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OPIMD: List of available attributes documented?
Many thanks for all your input ... I had noticed already by going through the opimd code / db scheme that the selection of fields is dynamic. However, I think there is really a need to agree upon a common set of attributes (maybe core attributes), which are supported. With the contacts-shr support for opimd (some additional phone-gui packacke, I recently installed - which, by the way, is not working for me yet due to some import error), it could be interesting, which fields are used in there (well, that will be from my point of view the most frequently used contacts app in the end) ... From my experiences with developing PISI as a contact sync engine, I realized that fields out there are really different - e.g.: - LDAP (with different schemes; for Contacts use additional mozilla scheme) - VCF-Files (vcard) - DB-Structures (e.g. QTopia) There is a standard available for PIM synchronization by OMA called SynML (http://www.openmobilealliance.org/tech/affiliates/syncml/syncmlindex.html). If you look at it, they use vcard (vcf) as well for carrying the content. VCard is a standard - so it might be worthwile to take a deeper look in which fields they are using and how they structure the content. (http://www.imc.org/pdi/) Mike Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 23:57:13 +0200 Von: Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com An: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: OPIMD: List of available attributes documented? On 8/5/09, Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm wrote: 2009/8/5 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com opimd supports every field - you can add to contact whatever you want. Isn't the data supposed to be shared across different clients? If yes, then this should be part of the standard. Of course if I want to add dog-name and cat-name then why not, but fields like Phone, Name, Sender, etc. should be specified at docs.freesmartphone.org. I agree. So someone should do it :P And the 'Phone' : 'tel: +xxx' thing doesn't make sense, I understand it's a temporary situation. tel: was before I started to work on opimd, i think it's good idea (but maybe it shouldn't be tel:, but something else). This way you could have for instance voip:d...@shr.com, skype:dos or something else. But of course it would be nice to discuss it with FSO guys. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OPIMD: List of available attributes documented?
2009/8/5 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com This way you could have for instance voip:d...@shr.com voip%3a...@shr.com, skype:dos or something else. But of course it would be nice to discuss it with FSO guys. You suggest 'Peer' : 'tel:+xxx' or 'Peer' : 'voip:a...@bbb'. How about putting the prefix in the attribute name. 'Peer_tel:' : '+xxx' or 'Peer_voip' : 'a...@bbb'. Now it's like nesting attributes in attributes. Why force people to additionally parse the data. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtmoko] Not recieving all sms
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 07:11:23 am Alexander Syring wrote: I think the problem is that the phone doesn't wake up on sms. If the phone is online I get all sms directly. But if the phone is in power safe the sms stay on sim and messages doesn't call them This appears to be fixed for me with the v6 release of QtMoko. cheers! Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] navit - howto config navit.xml
was sure that it wasn't because a few days earlier it didn't work, and did you check the filesystem of your sd? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
fsoraw page
i thing i have seen a wiki page describing fsoraw but cannot find it now, could have been openmoko wiki, fso wiki, shr wiki... just cannot locate it. could someone help me please? thank you Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reading binary messages
Helge Hafting wrote: Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: On 8/4/09, Brock awwa...@thelackthereof.org wrote: this actually difficult or is it a matter of nobody having the time / care to do it? I think noone cares. I don't need MMS at all, Yes, we care. I don't send MMS myself, but others send me pictures occationally - it'd sure be nice to see them on the excellent display... +1. The worst part about having it not implemented at all is that you don't even know who sent you a message. Interestingly, i received a mms a few minutes ago and this time instead of the binary message i got a notification sms from my provider, with a link and password to a website where i can read it... -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Reading-binary-messages-tp3383279p3397157.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: fsoraw page
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Petr Vanekvan...@penguin.cz wrote: i thing i have seen a wiki page describing fsoraw but cannot find it now, could have been openmoko wiki, fso wiki, shr wiki... just cannot locate it. could someone help me please? It's referenced in the Mokomaze wiki. Here's a direct link to the page: http://mokomaze.projects.openmoko.org/dimming/ HTH! Christ van Willegen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [android] panicking images and suspend/resume ?
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:30:33 pm Damian Spriggs wrote: Fix for incoming call to voicemail bug: Hmm, whilst it means I can place outgoing calls it still seems like every time I reboot Android it goes back to all calls diverted to voicemail and I need to manually tell it to to go and automatically register on the network (at which point it tells me there was an error getting the list of networks). Very odd! I think I'll go back to trying some of the other distros for now. cheers, Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: fsoraw page
i thing i have seen a wiki page describing fsoraw but cannot find it now, could have been openmoko wiki, fso wiki, shr wiki... just cannot locate it. could someone help me please? It's referenced in the Mokomaze wiki. Here's a direct link to the page: http://mokomaze.projects.openmoko.org/dimming/ HTH! thanks it did, i also found the page i was looking for: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO_Resources Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reading binary messages
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:10 AM, KaZeR ka...@altern.org wrote: +1. +1 Interestingly, i received a mms a few minutes ago and this time instead of the binary message i got a notification sms from my provider, with a link and password to a website where i can read it... This happens to me often as well. As far as I know this is because some providers don't cooperate with each other (and won't accept MMS from each other). Cheers, Edwin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko on HTC-Dream (Can anyone help?)
hi, hi [...] [...] What do you mean by remove android components? just remove them? or replace them with standard components? for instance the USB function framework can be replaced by the gadget framework easily,just changing the .config I replace them by standartfeatures or new drivers and remove the android specific in with this state useless features from the kernel. http://gitorious.org/openmoko-msm-2-6-29 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_on_HTC-Dream so which one should I clone,the official one or your repo? My repo :) [...] Touchscreen and mouse work perfect too. wow! how did you do that? I'm stuck with screen now(I've just made usbnet work) You have to clone my repo. Theres a patch from linux-to-go in it, for the msmfb. With this patch Xfbdev starts withouth any problem. You have only need to describe trout in /etc/X11/Xserver Xfbdev -mouse tslib,/dev/input/touchscreen0 -mouse mouse,/dev/input/mouse1 export DISPLAY=:0.0 xtscal Calibrate it and enjoy it! ;) Denis. leviathan signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OPIMD: List of available attributes documented?
On Thursday 06 August 2009, Michal Brzozowski wrote: 2009/8/5 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com This way you could have for instance voip:d...@shr.com voip%3a...@shr.com, skype:dos or something else. But of course it would be nice to discuss it with FSO guys. You suggest 'Peer' : 'tel:+xxx' or 'Peer' : 'voip:a...@bbb'. How about putting the prefix in the attribute name. 'Peer_tel:' : '+xxx' or 'Peer_voip' : 'a...@bbb'. Now it's like nesting attributes in attributes. Why force people to additionally parse the data. If the content is a proper URI then we shouldn't have any trouble parsing it. tel: is the right way to start a phone number URI. See RFC3966. voip: is probably wrong, but sip: or h323: are well defined. The problem here is having two fields but at least three independent properties. We have at least: * Communication medium (voice, text, video, etc.) * The URI which gives protocol and address * Disambiguation of more than one of the above, possibly indicating association (Home, Office1, Office2, Mobile etc.) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reading binary messages
On 8/6/09, Edder ed...@tkwsping.nl wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:10 AM, KaZeR ka...@altern.org wrote: +1. +1 Interestingly, i received a mms a few minutes ago and this time instead of the binary message i got a notification sms from my provider, with a link and password to a website where i can read it... This happens to me often as well. As far as I know this is because some providers don't cooperate with each other (and won't accept MMS from each other). Cheers, Edwin AFAIK there is just no way to detect if phone supports MMS or not. Binary message is sent, and when timeout is reached without downloading message, SMS with info is sent. So Freerunner users can still read their MMS, exactly as Nokia 3210 users :P -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[opkg.org] update your screenshots
lots of devs who uploaded their package to opkg.org linked to screenshots from scap. please change that, since it doesnt look nice to see nEo theme screenshots everywhere on opkg.org. (yes i made this mistake myself, i am just editing the package with the bogus screenie) br ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Openmoko development
implement encrypted conversation over GSM data calls, which AFAIK isn't available in any of the closed phones. There is such a solution of encrypted GSM call invented be some Polish company: http://www.tl2000.pl/en They claim they are first to invent this. -- Kind Regards Patryk Benderz IT Specialist Linux Registered User #377521 +48 22 538 6292 ERSTE Securities Polska S.A. ul. Królewska 16 Warszawa 00-103 KRS 065121 NIP 526-10-27-638 REGON 011136053 Kapitał akcyjny: 15.500.000 złotych (w pełni opłacony) This message and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the addressee(s). Any publication, transmission or other use of the information by a person or entity other than the intended addressee is prohibited. If you receive this in error please contact the sender and delete the material. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions as a result of the transmission. Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Fwd: [opkg.org] update your screenshots]
sry for follow up. it seems to be opkg.org problem. basically what i wrot in my earlier mail is bs. opkg just handles pictures worse than the even cheapest blogs that are out there... so basically the screenshots have to be renamed i guess? ---BeginMessage--- lots of devs who uploaded their package to opkg.org linked to screenshots from scap. please change that, since it doesnt look nice to see nEo theme screenshots everywhere on opkg.org. (yes i made this mistake myself, i am just editing the package with the bogus screenie) br ---End Message--- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OPIMD: List of available attributes documented?
On 8/6/09, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: On Thursday 06 August 2009, Michal Brzozowski wrote: 2009/8/5 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com This way you could have for instance voip:d...@shr.com voip%3a...@shr.com, skype:dos or something else. But of course it would be nice to discuss it with FSO guys. You suggest 'Peer' : 'tel:+xxx' or 'Peer' : 'voip:a...@bbb'. How about putting the prefix in the attribute name. 'Peer_tel:' : '+xxx' or 'Peer_voip' : 'a...@bbb'. Now it's like nesting attributes in attributes. Why force people to additionally parse the data. If the content is a proper URI then we shouldn't have any trouble parsing it. tel: is the right way to start a phone number URI. See RFC3966. voip: is probably wrong, but sip: or h323: are well defined. The problem here is having two fields but at least three independent properties. We have at least: * Communication medium (voice, text, video, etc.) * The URI which gives protocol and address * Disambiguation of more than one of the above, possibly indicating association (Home, Office1, Office2, Mobile etc.) That's what we need :) Home, Mobile, Office etc. is done by prefixing field name (Home phone, Mobile phone). URI is also there, but I don't have idea how to indicate and use communication medium. Does someone have any idea? -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OPIMD: List of available attributes documented?
Am Donnerstag 06 August 2009 09:09:58 schrieb Michael Pilgermann: Many thanks for all your input ... I had noticed already by going through the opimd code / db scheme that the selection of fields is dynamic. However, I think there is really a need to agree upon a common set of attributes (maybe core attributes), which are supported. With the contacts-shr support for opimd (some additional phone-gui packacke, I recently installed - which, by the way, is not working for me yet due to some import error), it could be interesting, which fields are used in there (well, that will be from my point of view the most frequently used contacts app in the end) ... From my experiences with developing PISI as a contact sync engine, I realized that fields out there are really different - e.g.: - LDAP (with different schemes; for Contacts use additional mozilla scheme) - VCF-Files (vcard) - DB-Structures (e.g. QTopia) There is a standard available for PIM synchronization by OMA called SynML (http://www.openmobilealliance.org/tech/affiliates/syncml/syncmlindex.html) . If you look at it, they use vcard (vcf) as well for carrying the content. VCard is a standard - so it might be worthwile to take a deeper look in which fields they are using and how they structure the content. (http://www.imc.org/pdi/) Mike I would vote for syncML structure, even opimd can hold a more flexible structure. But syncML is used in a lot of phones and this way i can be easier to integradte opimd in exisiting sync programms, perhaps on windows too. So syncML: +1 Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO Going Out of the Distro Business? - Questions
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiakseba.d...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/5/09, Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote: Does that also need, that SHR tries to migrate to 2.6.30 kernel? Currently they are on 2.6.28. No, SHR is currently on 2.6.29 - it uses newest andy-tracking, so dumb battery drivers and few other things are already in SHR. Whatever. 2.6.30 does not work out of box. And if SHR does not want to migrate over .30, FSO does not get tested against the newest kernel. There is a kernel development effort, so significant work has been put to merge upstream, so I think we should respect them and make the whole distribution work on the newest .30 kernel. I was only interested what is the current desire from SHR and FSO. Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO Going Out of the Distro Business? - Questions
On 8/6/09, Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiakseba.d...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/5/09, Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote: Does that also need, that SHR tries to migrate to 2.6.30 kernel? Currently they are on 2.6.28. No, SHR is currently on 2.6.29 - it uses newest andy-tracking, so dumb battery drivers and few other things are already in SHR. Whatever. 2.6.30 does not work out of box. And if SHR does not want to migrate over .30, FSO does not get tested against the newest kernel. There is a kernel development effort, so significant work has been put to merge upstream, so I think we should respect them and make the whole distribution work on the newest .30 kernel. I was only interested what is the current desire from SHR and FSO. Laszlo When only 2.6.30/31 becames stable enough, I can't see why it shouldn't be in shr-unstable. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reading binary messages
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: On 8/6/09, Edder ed...@tkwsping.nl wrote: AFAIK there is just no way to detect if phone supports MMS or not. Binary message is sent, and when timeout is reached without downloading message, SMS with info is sent. So Freerunner users can still read their MMS, exactly as Nokia 3210 users :P Oh, i believed that if your phone didn't send the receipt return (or whatever it's called) then the provider would have assumed that you can't read it. I have 10 binary messages in my inbox, most of them received the same day, a few days ago, and i received only one sms notification so far.. I'll ask someone with mms-capable phone to send me a test. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Reading-binary-messages-tp3383279p3397535.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[OM2009t5]No suspend after ffalarms alarm
Hello, after having had an ringing alarm in ffalarms 0.2.3, suspending doesn't work anymore. This is what apm says about it: r...@d-a318:~# apm -s apm: Device or resource busy r...@d-a318:~# dmesg | tail [12616.565000] modem wakeup interrupt [12667.17] PM: Syncing filesystems ... done. [12668.51] Freezing user space processes ... (elapsed 0.02 seconds) done. [12668.535000] Freezing remaining freezable tasks ... (elapsed 0.00 seconds) done. [12668.535000] Suspending console(s) (use no_console_suspend to debug) [12668.55] pm_op(): platform_pm_suspend+0x0/0x64 returns -16 [12668.55] PM: Device neo1973-pm-gsm.0 failed to suspend: error -16 [12668.55] PM: Some devices failed to suspend [12668.56] Restarting tasks ... done. [12669.59] fbcon_event_notify action=1, data=c7ff5dd0 Looks like there's some issue with the modem. Any hints? -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
MokoTouch Project (Qt4 Embedded Based Distro)
Hi, Last week I've released the 1st developer release of Moko Touch Project (http://th30z.netsons.org/mokotouch/). In the past months I've played a bit with OpenMoko and QtEmbedded and I've made a simple video preview of what I've done http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr821OgnvYc Now, I've released some source code that allows you to develop application using this Framework, and you can also try it using the Simulator included in the source code. The Project is just started and the source code contains just the UI Framework that handle touches, accelerometer and gestures and the Homescreen app, that allows you to run apps. Also the source code tree contains various example app where you can learn how to write your apps. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009t5]No suspend after ffalarms alarm
Marcel tan...@googlemail.com writes: after having had an ringing alarm in ffalarms 0.2.3, suspending doesn't work anymore. This is what apm says about it: r...@d-a318:~# apm -s apm: Device or resource busy Not nearly correct way to suspend! First of all, you're using deprecated apm. And apm emulation might be removed from the kernel any minute. Second, you're bypassing frameworkd and that way you miss all preparations for the GSM modem. That's mainly the reason you see that stuff in dmesg. Use mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.Suspend (or dbus-send to do the same) -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MokoTouch Project (Qt4 Embedded Based Distro)
Looks really nice. Perhaps a stupid question. Does it use FSO middleware ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Account at http://projects.openmoko.org/
Hi all, I am trying to create an account at http://projects.openmoko.org/ but am having no luck. I registered, get an confirmation email, but then as I try to log in it says: - Access denied Credentials you entered do not correspond to valid account. - If I try to login directly it says: - Your account is currently pending your email confirmation. Visiting the link sent to you in this email will activate your account. If you need this email resent, please click below and a confirmation email will be sent to the email address you provided in registration. [Resend Confirmation Email] Cookies must be enabled past this point. - I know I am using the correct password, because if I use another password the second message is different. I also tried the resend confirmation email a couple of times. Anyone any idea what went wrong (or whom I should contact). Cheers, Edwin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009t5]No suspend after ffalarms alarm
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Paul Fertserfercer...@gmail.com wrote: Not nearly correct way to suspend! Paul: Are you aware of any document describing the proper suspend procedure? Im wondering, because illume has a suspend button (when you click on close button), but it never worked for me. I assume every hardware related function should pass through fso. But I would be interested what are the exact steps/commands when a suspend gets initiated, and why suspend duration are about 5 sec and resume about 2-3 sec... Thank you in advance! Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
SHR working application list
* Crossposting this to community and SHR user list as there are some SHR users on community list not subscribed to SHR User list. Now that the SHR Manual Draft is up (1) and the Logo contest is ongoing (2) it would be a good idea to to have a wiki page listing that are working on current SHR Unstable. I was thinking of a table with the following columns Name of application Tested on Image If present on SHR repository Webpage/ project page/ link to source Contact details of Authors/ team Category (type of application) Comments/ Remarks Why I feel that the project page and contact of author is important so that effort can be made to push applications into the SHR repository. Later on this page could be migrated to opkg.org or a separate showcase website. Feedback and comments welcome. Rakshat (1) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual (2) http://wiki.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/LogoContest PS - I know that there is an application page already on the wiki but its not at all clear there what application works with which distribution. -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OPIMD: List of available attributes documented?
I would vote for syncML structure, even opimd can hold a more flexible structure. But syncML is used in a lot of phones and this way i can be easier to integradte opimd in exisiting sync programms, perhaps on windows too. So syncML: +1 Thomas which would mean, that we are looking into VCard - here table of contents for the fields taken from the RFC2426 (VCard 3.0, http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2426.txt): 3. VCARD PROFILE FEATURES8 3.1 IDENTIFICATION TYPES ...8 3.1.1 FN Type Definition ..8 3.1.2 N Type Definition ...9 3.1.3 NICKNAME Type Definition 9 3.1.4 PHOTO Type Definition ..10 3.1.5 BDAY Type Definition ...11 3.2 DELIVERY ADDRESSING TYPES .11 3.2.1 ADR Type Definition 11 3.2.2 LABEL Type Definition ..13 3.3 TELECOMMUNICATIONS ADDRESSING TYPES ...13 3.3.1 TEL Type Definition 14 3.3.2 EMAIL Type Definition ..15 3.3.3 MAILER Type Definition .15 3.4 GEOGRAPHICAL TYPES 16 3.4.1 TZ Type Definition .16 3.4.2 GEO Type Definition 16 3.5 ORGANIZATIONAL TYPES ..17 3.5.1 TITLE Type Definition ..17 3.5.2 ROLE Type Definition ...18 3.5.3 LOGO Type Definition ...18 3.5.4 AGENT Type Definition ..19 3.5.5 ORG Type Definition 20 3.6 EXPLANATORY TYPES .20 3.6.1 CATEGORIES Type Definition .20 3.6.2 NOTE Type Definition ...21 3.6.3 PRODID Type Definition .21 3.6.4 REV Type Definition 22 3.6.5 SORT-STRING Type Definition 22 There would be another advantage - in field parsing (e.g. for addresses) couuld be done by already available libraries for VCard processing. However, it would not solve the problem with the phone communication medium: The RFC says: 3.3.1 TEL Type Definition To: ietf-mime-direct...@imc.org Subject: Registration of text/directory MIME type TEL Type name: TEL Type purpose: To specify the telephone number for telephony communication with the object the vCard represents. Type encoding: 8bit Type value: A single phone-number value. Type special notes: The value of this type is specified in a canonical form in order to specify an unambiguous representation of the globally unique telephone endpoint. This type is based on the X.500 Telephone Number attribute. The type can include the type parameter TYPE to specify intended use for the telephone number. The TYPE parameter values can include: home to indicate a telephone number associated with a residence, msg to indicate the telephone number has voice messaging support, work to indicate a telephone number associated with a place of work, pref to indicate a preferred-use telephone number, voice to indicate a voice telephone number, fax to indicate a facsimile telephone number, cell to indicate a cellular telephone number, video to indicate a video conferencing telephone number, pager to indicate a paging device telephone number, bbs to indicate a bulletin board system telephone number, modem to indicate a MODEM connected telephone number, car to indicate a car-phone telephone number, isdn to indicate an ISDN service telephone number, pcs to indicate a personal communication services telephone number. The default type is voice. These type parameter values can be specified as a parameter list (i.e., TYPE=work;TYPE=voice) or as a value list (i.e., TYPE=work,voice). The default can be overridden to another set of values by specifying one or more alternate values. For example, the default TYPE of voice can be reset to a WORK and HOME, VOICE and FAX telephone number by the value list TYPE=work,home,voice,fax. Type example: TEL;TYPE=work,voice,pref,msg:+1-213-555-1234 So, we could / should combine several type-values for one entry (list). Any way to put this into the implementation? Mike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [android] panicking images and suspend/resume ?
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:30:33 pm Damian Spriggs wrote: Fix for incoming call to voicemail bug: http://www.mail-archive.com/android-freerun...@android.koolu.org/msg01047.html Thanks so much for that, it seemed to fix that problem! Also found this nice little application to import contacts from a vcard 2.1 file into Android.. http://andappstore.com/AndroidApplications/apps/109392 Much obliged.. Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009t5]No suspend after ffalarms alarm
Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Paul Fertserfercer...@gmail.com wrote: Not nearly correct way to suspend! Paul: Are you aware of any document describing the proper suspend procedure? Just use the FSO call i mentioned. Documented at docs.freesmartphone.org. Im wondering, because illume has a suspend button (when you click on close button), but it never worked for me. It should be routed to call that fso function. I assume every hardware related function should pass through fso. But I would be interested what are the exact steps/commands when a suspend gets initiated, and why suspend duration are about 5 sec and resume about 2-3 sec... The only trick FSO does is to send some AT commands to disable unwanted (in suspend) unsoliceted replies from the modem. You don't want to have you phone woken up on some network signal quality change. On resume it basically reenables all those replies. You can suspend manually with echo mem /sys/power/state to see how long it'd take if the modem is turned off. You can also kill all GSM using programs and suspend the FSO way with roughly the same speed. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009t5]No suspend after ffalarms alarm
Please don't omit the ML from CC! On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 01:17:05PM +0200, Marcel wrote: Am Donnerstag, 6. August 2009 12:59:23 schrieben Sie: Marcel tan...@googlemail.com writes: after having had an ringing alarm in ffalarms 0.2.3, suspending doesn't work anymore. This is what apm says about it: r...@d-a318:~# apm -s apm: Device or resource busy Not nearly correct way to suspend! First of all, you're using deprecated apm. And apm emulation might be removed from the kernel any minute. Second, you're bypassing frameworkd and that way you miss all preparations for the GSM modem. That's mainly the reason you see that stuff in dmesg. Use mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.Suspend (or dbus-send to do the same) That command gets me nowhere further: r...@d-a318:~# mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.Suspend Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged Hangs there. Nothing happens at all anymore. /var/log/frameworkd.log doesn't give anything except 2009.08.06 13:15:05.8 odeviced.idlenotifier DEBUGactive = False 2009.08.06 13:15:06.10 odeviced.idlenotifier DEBUGactive = False 2009.08.06 13:15:07.8 odeviced.idlenotifier DEBUGactive = False 2009.08.06 13:15:08.10 odeviced.idlenotifier DEBUGactive = False What can I do to get more info? frameworkd's log_level is already set to DEBUG... Looks like frameworkd is hanging due to some problem communicating with the modem or something like that. Read the log more carefully, those lines you posted are completely irrelevant. For me this same command works. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [android] panicking images and suspend/resume ?
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 07:16:23 pm Chris Samuel wrote: Hmm, whilst it means I can place outgoing calls it still seems like every time I reboot Android it goes back to all calls diverted to voicemail and I need to manually tell it to to go and automatically register on the network Scratch that, I just wasn't leaving it for long enough! -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009t5]No suspend after ffalarms alarm
Am Donnerstag, 6. August 2009 13:46:34 schrieben Sie: Please don't omit the ML from CC! Oh, sorry, I simply pressed reply without looking to whom I'm actually replying. On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 01:17:05PM +0200, Marcel wrote: Am Donnerstag, 6. August 2009 12:59:23 schrieben Sie: Marcel tan...@googlemail.com writes: after having had an ringing alarm in ffalarms 0.2.3, suspending doesn't work anymore. This is what apm says about it: r...@d-a318:~# apm -s apm: Device or resource busy Not nearly correct way to suspend! First of all, you're using deprecated apm. And apm emulation might be removed from the kernel any minute. Second, you're bypassing frameworkd and that way you miss all preparations for the GSM modem. That's mainly the reason you see that stuff in dmesg. Use mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.Suspend (or dbus-send to do the same) That command gets me nowhere further: r...@d-a318:~# mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.Suspend Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged Hangs there. Nothing happens at all anymore. /var/log/frameworkd.log doesn't give anything except 2009.08.06 13:15:05.8 odeviced.idlenotifier DEBUGactive = False 2009.08.06 13:15:06.10 odeviced.idlenotifier DEBUGactive = False 2009.08.06 13:15:07.8 odeviced.idlenotifier DEBUGactive = False 2009.08.06 13:15:08.10 odeviced.idlenotifier DEBUGactive = False What can I do to get more info? frameworkd's log_level is already set to DEBUG... Looks like frameworkd is hanging due to some problem communicating with the modem or something like that. Read the log more carefully, those lines you posted are completely irrelevant. For me this same command works. That _normally_ works fine for me, too, only ffalarms screws suspending. There's indeed some more output about suspending, but I cannot find something useful in that messages... Only... What about line 36, it's changing the modem from suspended to suspending, shouldn't it be some kind of awake before being suspending? -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009t5]No suspend after ffalarms alarm
Marcel tan...@googlemail.com writes: Am Donnerstag, 6. August 2009 13:46:34 schrieben Sie: Please don't omit the ML from CC! Oh, sorry, I simply pressed reply without looking to whom I'm actually replying. You're supposed to use Reply all or group reply when you reply to a ML message. Looks like frameworkd is hanging due to some problem communicating with the modem or something like that. Read the log more carefully, those lines you posted are completely irrelevant. For me this same command works. That _normally_ works fine for me, too, only ffalarms screws suspending. There's indeed some more output about suspending, but I cannot find something useful in that messages... Only... What about line 36, it's changing the modem from suspended to suspending, shouldn't it be some kind of awake before being suspending? You might want to post your full log somewhere for more analysis. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009t5]No suspend after ffalarms alarm
Am Donnerstag, 6. August 2009 14:35:36 schrieb Paul Fertser: Marcel tan...@googlemail.com writes: Am Donnerstag, 6. August 2009 13:46:34 schrieben Sie: Please don't omit the ML from CC! Oh, sorry, I simply pressed reply without looking to whom I'm actually replying. You're supposed to use Reply all or group reply when you reply to a ML message. Looks like frameworkd is hanging due to some problem communicating with the modem or something like that. Read the log more carefully, those lines you posted are completely irrelevant. For me this same command works. That _normally_ works fine for me, too, only ffalarms screws suspending. There's indeed some more output about suspending, but I cannot find something useful in that messages... Only... What about line 36, it's changing the modem from suspended to suspending, shouldn't it be some kind of awake before being suspending? You might want to post your full log somewhere for more analysis. Oh dammit, I forgot to paste the link... _ Here it is: http://pastebin.ca/1520436 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MokoTouch Project (Qt4 Embedded Based Distro)
I've never seen the video before, and i have to say i'm quite impressed. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/MokoTouch-Project-%28Qt4-Embedded-Based-Distro%29-tp3397602p3398038.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009t5]No suspend after ffalarms alarm
Marcel tan...@googlemail.com writes: That _normally_ works fine for me, too, only ffalarms screws suspending. There's indeed some more output about suspending, but I cannot find something useful in that messages... Only... What about line 36, it's changing the modem from suspended to suspending, shouldn't it be some kind of awake before being suspending? You might want to post your full log somewhere for more analysis. Oh dammit, I forgot to paste the link... _ Here it is: http://pastebin.ca/1520436 This first TIMEOUT 'AT+CTZU=0' = ??? already fucks up everything :( AFAIK, FSO handling of such situations is not robust and moreover there's even a known case where such a timeout will occur (iirc after %CSQ unsol reply the modem can go to sleep immediately and so frameworkd command can easily fail as it wakes up the modem explicitly only after some time from the last communication passed). -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MokoTouch Project (Qt4 Embedded Based Distro)
Nice work... maybe somebody will come up with a QT accelereted driver for glamo rgrds, mobi phil being mobile, but including technology http://mobiphil.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MokoTouch Project (Qt4 Embedded Based Distro)
Wow...this looks very nice. Does it have a GUI phone application? If not, does it use FSO so we could perhaps port an already existing (maybe litephone?) phone app to it? On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 9:08 AM, mobi phil m...@mobiphil.com wrote: Nice work... maybe somebody will come up with a QT accelereted driver for glamo rgrds, mobi phil being mobile, but including technology http://mobiphil.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009t5]No suspend after ffalarms alarm
Am Donnerstag, 6. August 2009 14:49:21 schrieb Paul Fertser: Marcel tan...@googlemail.com writes: That _normally_ works fine for me, too, only ffalarms screws suspending. There's indeed some more output about suspending, but I cannot find something useful in that messages... Only... What about line 36, it's changing the modem from suspended to suspending, shouldn't it be some kind of awake before being suspending? You might want to post your full log somewhere for more analysis. Oh dammit, I forgot to paste the link... _ Here it is: http://pastebin.ca/1520436 This first TIMEOUT 'AT+CTZU=0' = ??? already fucks up everything :( AFAIK, FSO handling of such situations is not robust and moreover there's even a known case where such a timeout will occur (iirc after %CSQ unsol reply the modem can go to sleep immediately and so frameworkd command can easily fail as it wakes up the modem explicitly only after some time from the last communication passed). But what puzzles me is that it happens after I had an ffalarm / atd event. Seems like fso gets confused by... not-self-triggered wakeup. My theory so far. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: elemtary-sms and related stuff
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Petr Vanekvan...@penguin.cz wrote: out there, does exist a distro using elementary-sms or elemetary-contacts as pim utilities experimentally, on shr you can install opimd-utils and/or get some other scripts from opimd git of shr-project.org Petr elementary-sms and elementary-contacts != opimd-messages and opimd-contacts. The first are from raster, second are from me ;) huh, i thought elementary based :) yes, i was talking about raster's stuff. anyway i didn't know about yr stuff, sebastian, i'll give it a try :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[cellhunter] about positioning
Hi guys... i want ot ask if cellhunter data is going to be integrated for exampre in tangogps for positioning without gps... thanks d (and: *Shortnews:* 02/05/2009 - You want see something new? Click herehttp://78.47.116.33/%7Ehole/cellhunter/images/tangogps.png. View all cells in Tangogps! Available soon what about this? ;-) ) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009t5]No suspend after ffalarms alarm
Marcel tan...@googlemail.com writes: Am Donnerstag, 6. August 2009 14:49:21 schrieb Paul Fertser: Marcel tan...@googlemail.com writes: That _normally_ works fine for me, too, only ffalarms screws suspending. There's indeed some more output about suspending, but I cannot find something useful in that messages... Only... What about line 36, it's changing the modem from suspended to suspending, shouldn't it be some kind of awake before being suspending? You might want to post your full log somewhere for more analysis. Oh dammit, I forgot to paste the link... _ Here it is: http://pastebin.ca/1520436 This first TIMEOUT 'AT+CTZU=0' = ??? already fucks up everything :( AFAIK, FSO handling of such situations is not robust and moreover there's even a known case where such a timeout will occur (iirc after %CSQ unsol reply the modem can go to sleep immediately and so frameworkd command can easily fail as it wakes up the modem explicitly only after some time from the last communication passed). But what puzzles me is that it happens after I had an ffalarm / atd event. Seems like fso gets confused by... not-self-triggered wakeup. My theory so far. The wakeup is _always_ hardware-triggered. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Account at http://projects.openmoko.org/
i would not use projects.openmoko.org as i am not sure wether it is maintained at the moment 2009/8/6 Edder ed...@tkwsping.nl Hi all, I am trying to create an account at http://projects.openmoko.org/ but am having no luck. I registered, get an confirmation email, but then as I try to log in it says: - Access denied Credentials you entered do not correspond to valid account. - If I try to login directly it says: - Your account is currently pending your email confirmation. Visiting the link sent to you in this email will activate your account. If you need this email resent, please click below and a confirmation email will be sent to the email address you provided in registration. [Resend Confirmation Email] Cookies must be enabled past this point. - I know I am using the correct password, because if I use another password the second message is different. I also tried the resend confirmation email a couple of times. Anyone any idea what went wrong (or whom I should contact). Cheers, Edwin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [cellhunter] about positioning
As far as I know it is planned to integrate the data in fso so tangogps would benefit from that too 2009/8/6 Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com Hi guys... i want ot ask if cellhunter data is going to be integrated for exampre in tangogps for positioning without gps... thanks d (and: *Shortnews:* 02/05/2009 - You want see something new? Click herehttp://78.47.116.33/%7Ehole/cellhunter/images/tangogps.png. View all cells in Tangogps! Available soon what about this? ;-) ) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Account at http://projects.openmoko.org/
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 4:13 PM, tbbumbl...@gmail.com wrote: i would not use projects.openmoko.org as i am not sure wether it is maintained at the moment Hmmm I wanted to comment on a bug report for pisi on there (just to affirm that I had the same problem) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Account at http://projects.openmoko.org/
bumbl...@gmail.com wrote: i would not use projects.openmoko.org as i am not sure wether it is maintained at the moment It does seem to have been abandoned by the maintainer, since there has been no response from him about this issue or the earlier questions about the spam emails coming from the commit lists. Also, project news is no longer being moved to the Latest News section of the home page. Should the administration of that site be passed to someone else?I'd be willing to administer it, if nobody else wants to. Ken Young ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009t5]No suspend after ffalarms alarm
On Thursday 06 August 2009 14:49:21 Paul Fertser wrote: Marcel tan...@googlemail.com writes: That _normally_ works fine for me, too, only ffalarms screws suspending. There's indeed some more output about suspending, but I cannot find something useful in that messages... Only... What about line 36, it's changing the modem from suspended to suspending, shouldn't it be some kind of awake before being suspending? You might want to post your full log somewhere for more analysis. Oh dammit, I forgot to paste the link... _ Here it is: http://pastebin.ca/1520436 This first TIMEOUT 'AT+CTZU=0' = ??? already fucks up everything :( AFAIK, FSO handling of such situations is not robust and moreover there's even a known case where such a timeout will occur (iirc after %CSQ unsol reply the modem can go to sleep immediately and so frameworkd command can easily fail as it wakes up the modem explicitly only after some time from the last communication passed). FWIW, fso-abyss is handling these nasty deep-sleep issues nowadays, in a better way than ogsmd ever did. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MokoTouch Project (Qt4 Embedded Based Distro)
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 3:58 AM, Matteo Bertozzitheo.berto...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Last week I've released the 1st developer release of Moko Touch Project (http://th30z.netsons.org/mokotouch/). looks interesting, a bit too iphone like for me but nice none the less. does the screen still make that high pitched noise in the horizontal position? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MokoTouch Project (Qt4 Embedded Based Distro)
On Thursday 06 August 2009 12:58:05 Matteo Bertozzi wrote: Hi, Last week I've released the 1st developer release of Moko Touch Project (http://th30z.netsons.org/mokotouch/). In the past months I've played a bit with OpenMoko and QtEmbedded and I've made a simple video preview of what I've done http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr821OgnvYc Now, I've released some source code that allows you to develop application using this Framework, and you can also try it using the Simulator included in the source code. The Project is just started and the source code contains just the UI Framework that handle touches, accelerometer and gestures and the Homescreen app, that allows you to run apps. Also the source code tree contains various example app where you can learn how to write your apps. How about an image for us who are simply curious? Yes, i'm aware it's a preview and such, but i am also interested in seeing how it works :) -- ..Dan // Leinir.. http://leinir.dk/ Co- existence or no existence - Piet Hein ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009t5]No suspend after ffalarms alarm
On August 6, 2009 05:17:25 am Laszlo KREKACS wrote: I assume every hardware related function should pass through fso. But I would be interested what are the exact steps/commands when a suspend gets initiated, and why suspend duration are about 5 sec and resume about 2-3 sec... The 2 biggest time consumers in suspend and resume are the modem at commands and the vt console switch. By disabling the console switch from the kernel you should save about a second on suspend and resume. Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009t5]No suspend after ffalarms alarm
On August 6, 2009 08:45:01 am Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: FWIW, fso-abyss is handling these nasty deep-sleep issues nowadays, in a better way than ogsmd ever did. :M: The next Om2009 testing release will use fso-abyss and fsousaged. If you'd like to try before the next release ( which will be the end of August, earilest ) use tomorrows or 6 days ago unstable. You'll also need to opkg install fso-abyss fsousaged and make some changes to /etc/frameworkd.conf, under [ogsmd] add ti_calypso_muxer = fso-abyss and to the end of the file add [ousaged] disable = 1 [fsousage] [fsousage.controller] Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
(om2009) OpenBmap client keeps crashing
Hi!
I'm travelling with om2009 unstable from about 2 weeks ago. I'm having
hard time running openbmap and recording cells, most of the times it
crashes when I try to start it.
If paroli doesn't run, it wont start at all.
I have some problems with GPS, I feel that Tangogps or openbmap alone
can't actually ever see any satelites, but if I first start omgps
(using ublox), I get a nice fix and then when I start openbmap or
tango, it changes to fso and thigs sometimes work.
Sometimes (like every 20th restart - I really mean it, i've wasted
hours in the bus trying to run this and it's actually very
frustrating...) it starts with no problems but then I can't turn it on
(to make it actually store cell info) but it freezes and suddenly
shows no UI.
It's now been about a week travelling when I haven't been able to
record any cells, because can't start openbmap. It tries to do its
magic for some minutes (I have paroli running, sometimes also omgps
with gps fix)
Traceback (most recent call last):
File /usr/bin/openBmapGTK, line 356, in module
hwg = openBmapGTK()
File /usr/bin/openBmapGTK, line 130, in __init__
self._obmlogger = openbmap.logger.ObmLogger()
File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/openbmap/logger.py, line
832, in __init__
self._gsm = Gsm(self._bus)
File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/openbmap/logger.py, line 64,
in __init__
self.get_device_info()
File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/openbmap/logger.py, line
223, in get_device_info
data = dbus.Interface(obj, 'org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device').GetInfo()
File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py, line 68, in __call__
return self._proxy_method(*args, **keywords)
File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py, line 140, in __call__
**keywords)
File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/connection.py, line
622, in call_blocking
message, timeout)
dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did
not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application
did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the
reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was
broken.
or this:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File /usr/bin/openBmapGTK, line 356, in module
hwg = openBmapGTK()
File /usr/bin/openBmapGTK, line 132, in __init__
self._obmlogger.init_openBmap()
File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/openbmap/logger.py, line
1118, in init_openBmap
self.request_ressource('CPU')
File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/openbmap/logger.py, line
859, in request_ressource
request = dbus.Interface(obj,
'org.freesmartphone.Usage').RequestResource(resource)
File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py, line 68, in __call__
return self._proxy_method(*args, **keywords)
File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py, line 140, in __call__
**keywords)
File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/connection.py, line
622, in call_blocking
message, timeout)
dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply:
Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)
I have no idea it it's because of openbmap or fso but I'd really
appreciate it if someone could gice me a tip if there's something I
can do to fix this. It just stopped working some days ago without any
upgrade or program installation (I haven't had the phone connected to
internet for a week or so).
Too bad I'm missing many cells, can't get higher in the openbmap stats :)
r
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Re: [OM2009t5]No suspend after ffalarms alarm
Angus Ainslie wrote: The 2 biggest time consumers in suspend and resume are the modem at commands and the vt console switch. By disabling the console switch from the kernel you should save about a second on suspend and resume. Hi Agnus, is it somewhere documented how to disable the console switch? How can i do it? Thanks Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone 0.62 release
Hi, ran wrote: New ( after long period ) unstable Om2009 and new libraries problem: #intone intone: error while loading shared libraries: libelementary.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Well it seems like OM has finally moved to the *ver-svn-02 e-libs. These should be same as those in SHR - so try the SHR version and post back. If that doesn't work I'll compile a version for the updated OM. Thanks -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Intone-0.62-release-tp3376283p3399272.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: elemtary-sms and related stuff
On 8/6/09, PaulTT pau...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Petr Vanekvan...@penguin.cz wrote: out there, does exist a distro using elementary-sms or elemetary-contacts as pim utilities experimentally, on shr you can install opimd-utils and/or get some other scripts from opimd git of shr-project.org Petr elementary-sms and elementary-contacts != opimd-messages and opimd-contacts. The first are from raster, second are from me ;) huh, i thought elementary based :) yes, i was talking about raster's stuff. anyway i didn't know about yr stuff, sebastian, i'll give it a try :) Keep in mind opimd-utils is just test suite. It isn't and probably won't be real, user claimed phone suite, even if it can be used as daily phone UI. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] new images v6 - problems over problems.
Am Donnerstag 06. August 2009 08:02:25 schrieb Radek Polak: You can try put it in NAND instead of SD card. I think Freerunner/kernel do not work well with some kind of SD cards. E.g. i have bought Kingston 8GB SD card. QtMoko booted only like in 50% cases resulting mostly in some mmc related kernel messages scrolling on the screen. So i changed this card with friend's SanDisk 4GB and this one works just fine. Hey, good to know. I have a 8GB Kingston SD card, too, and i have very similar problems. But i never had problems like this before - but since 3-4 weeks this is happening. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009t5]No suspend after ffalarms alarm
On Thursday 06 August 2009 17:23:22 Angus Ainslie wrote: On August 6, 2009 05:17:25 am Laszlo KREKACS wrote: I assume every hardware related function should pass through fso. But I would be interested what are the exact steps/commands when a suspend gets initiated, and why suspend duration are about 5 sec and resume about 2-3 sec... The 2 biggest time consumers in suspend and resume are the modem at commands and the vt console switch. By disabling the console switch from the kernel you should save about a second on suspend and resume. s/disabling/patching/ Unfortunately there's not dedicated switch for that (unless you don't want to disable the whole fb console layer in the config, you can do that :) Nils Färber from Kernel Concepts tried to patch that out on my request some months ago, but X didn't reinitialize for him after resume. I hope when we switch to a more sane driver (xorg?) that we can revisit this issue. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OPIMD: List of available attributes documented?
On Thursday 06 August 2009, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: On 8/6/09, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: On Thursday 06 August 2009, Michal Brzozowski wrote: 2009/8/5 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com This way you could have for instance voip:d...@shr.com voip%3a...@shr.com, skype:dos or something else. But of course it would be nice to discuss it with FSO guys. You suggest 'Peer' : 'tel:+xxx' or 'Peer' : 'voip:a...@bbb'. How about putting the prefix in the attribute name. 'Peer_tel:' : '+xxx' or 'Peer_voip' : 'a...@bbb'. Now it's like nesting attributes in attributes. Why force people to additionally parse the data. If the content is a proper URI then we shouldn't have any trouble parsing it. tel: is the right way to start a phone number URI. See RFC3966. voip: is probably wrong, but sip: or h323: are well defined. The problem here is having two fields but at least three independent properties. We have at least: * Communication medium (voice, text, video, etc.) * The URI which gives protocol and address * Disambiguation of more than one of the above, possibly indicating association (Home, Office1, Office2, Mobile etc.) That's what we need :) Home, Mobile, Office etc. is done by prefixing field name (Home phone, Mobile phone). URI is also there, but I don't have idea how to indicate and use communication medium. Does someone have any idea? The medium and disambiguation parts are properties of the URI, and could have multiple entries which may be interdependent. A SIP address is a fine example of how it could get tricky since it could be used for voice, video or text, but you may not have video capability on your phone SIP client like you do on the PC at home. There may be other properties you want to associate too. vCard partially expresses this with its TYPE= entry, and we could express it something like: X-FSO-VOICE;TYPE=home,cell:sip:usern...@example.com X-FSO-TEXT;TYPE=home,cell:sip:usern...@example.com X-FSO-VIDEO:TYPE=home:sip:usern...@example.com It's a pain for interoperability though, like all vCard extensions. Trying to squeeze this sort of data into two fields sounds like a bad idea to me, but I'm not familiar enough with what's allowable in dbus to suggest anything better. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone 0.62 release
Hi, ran wrote: You right. SHR version is working ok for Om2009 now. But next problem: intone-video is in same point. I do not know SHR version. Could you, please, give some idea about. Posted a new thread about intone-video. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Intone-0.62-release-tp3376283p3399611.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [cellhunter] about positioning
Hi, I am currently working on this, a D-Bus location service for the FR. I work with the openBmap data though. I already had some talks with FSO people, in order to see how we can collaborate on this. Onen tb wrote: As far as I know it is planned to integrate the data in fso so tangogps would benefit from that too 2009/8/6 Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com mailto:dsca...@gmail.com Hi guys... i want ot ask if cellhunter data is going to be integrated for exampre in tangogps for positioning without gps... thanks d (and: *Shortnews:* 02/05/2009 - You want see something new? Click here http://78.47.116.33/%7Ehole/cellhunter/images/tangogps.png. View all cells in Tangogps! Available soon what about this? ;-) ) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [CU] voting required - VOTING RESULTS
Voting results are at end of this post, but first few explanation words about assumptions i mad while counting votes. For those who have voted more than once, I have counted votes from latest post. It was easy to count votes of those who voted clearly and made sure i counted their votes correctly, like Warren Baird. Many thanks to those of you guys! But some of you voted early, and didn't redefined your votes at and of voting, so verify my assumptions, and redefine your votes LAST time if you think i have misinterpreted your posts. 1.Alex Teiche wrote: I like V1, but there has to be some sort of clear defining line that defines the border between two of them(line, etc). It would also be really great if it had either V3 or V4's table, as that is really nice. So i assumed it has to have white background, some lines dividing tables, and working hardware table on right side of template. Templates 7a and 7c fits this description, but you didn't defined which working hardware table you like more. Since most of people voted for 7c than for 7a, i assumed you would do so also, thus i counted your vote as: 7c. 2.Mathieu Rochette wrote: I prefer the first template too. but is it possible to have the third column (hardware/works) for that one ? Again like above: white background, no word about frame (like/dislike) so i took under consideration versions with frames and without. Now about working hardware table. This mail was dated on 25th of July. Wiki history shows that at this moment W/H tables was only on the right side of the template so i assumed you wanted W/H table on the right side. Thus templates 7a,7b,7c,7d fits here. Again, since most of people voted for 7c than for 7a, i assumed you would do so also, thus i counted your vote as: 7c. 3.Jon 'maddog' Hall. Your latest email, dated 2009-07-29 says: Either 8a or 8b After scratching top of my head for a while and wondering if you wanted to divide your vote between those two, or wanted me to decide which do you like more, I decided I should be consequent and count your vote as in two points above (similarily as most voted), so i counted your vote as: #8a. 4.Shashank Bharadwaj: you didn't voted explicitly, but you added new version #9 to templates, so i assumed you wanted to vote for this version, so your vote goes to #9. 5.Fabian Schölzel wrote: May i propose some different layout? Wouldnt it be better, if the 2-columns have the text left and the screenshot/infobox on the right? Your mail fits perfectly to #9 template made by Shashank Bharadwaj, thus your vote goes to #9. Conclusions: For future (if any) votings i propose to clarify explicit rules before voting, cause it took me over one hour to count votes, consider all non-clear votes cases and write this email :) Example voting plan might look like this: Day[1]:Define proposed templates and make a post on ML. Day[2-7] :Gather remarks, comments and incorporate it to new templates. Day[8-10] :Start voting period, gather votes. Day[11] :Stop voting period. Count votes and announce voting results. Day[12-14]:Implement final changes. VOTING RESULTS: Name Vote Alex Teiche 7c Andrew Stephen 8a Dave Ball8a David Ford 1 David Reyes Samblas Martinez 7c Denis Galvão 7c Fabian Schölzel 9 jeremy jozwik2 Jon 'maddog' Hall8a Juan Alberto Aranda Alvarez 8a Marko Knöbl 1 Mathieu Rochette 7c Nicola Mfb 7d Patryk Benderz 7c Rafael Campos7c Shashank Bharadwaj 9 Warren Baird 8a First three places: 1. 7c with 6 votes 2. 8a with 5 votes 3. 1 and 9 with2 votes So the winner is #7c. Since today is the release date for CU, i am finishing template to be able to use it with today's release of CU. If any complaints, we will change template later to proper one. -- Kind Regards Patryk Benderz IT Specialist Linux Registered User #377521 +48 22 538 6292 ERSTE Securities Polska S.A. ul. Królewska 16 Warszawa 00-103 KRS 065121 NIP 526-10-27-638 REGON 011136053 Kapitał akcyjny: 15.500.000 złotych (w pełni opłacony) This message and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the addressee(s). Any publication, transmission or other use of the information by a person or entity other than the intended addressee is prohibited. If you receive this in error please contact the sender and delete the material. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions as a result of the transmission. Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
intone-video 0.12
Hi, Here's the latest version of intone-video. Should work with both SHR-U and OM-latest. http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3399632/intone-video_0.12_arm.ipk intone-video_0.12_arm.ipk I'm not really sure where to take this program. The video playing capabilities of the neo are limited (in the current state of mplayer/xglamo etc). Should I be looking at running video in 320x240 mode? Or should I just leave it as is? Any suggestions ideas are welcome. Thanks. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/intone-video-0.12-tp3399632p3399632.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [cellhunter] about positioning
I am currently working on this, a D-Bus location service for the FR. I work with the openBmap data though. I already had some talks with FSO people, in order to see how we can collaborate on this. this sounds like i come first, the rest doesn't matter to me. we have data in both openbmap and cellhunter, can we make sure both are utilized? Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
ZAGG invisible sheild for Neo Freerunner
Hello, I would like to buy the invisible sheild (full body) for my new Freerunner but I have some doubts. It's simple to install? If I use my Neo under the rain it will remove the invisible sheild? If I have install it can I remove the back of my Freerunner (for example to remove the battery) or i can't? If I have install it i can put my Frerunner in the leather case (by tuxbrain) or whit the invisible sheild the Frerunner is too big to enter on the case? Regards, -- Biagio Marino ilcristopag...@gmail.com PS: I know that the last question is exaggerated but better informed :-) signature.asc Description: Questa è una parte del messaggio firmata digitalmente ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [CU] voting required - VOTING RESULTS
Patryk, Speaking as one of the unclear voters, I thank you for all your work on this. For myself, I saw very little difference between 8a and 8b, so applying my vote to either was the correct thing to do. And your plans for addressing these types of issues in the future look spot on. Warmest regards, maddog ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: intone-video 0.12
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:29 AM, c_ccchan...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Here's the latest version of intone-video. Should work with both SHR-U and OM-latest. sweet, what kind of formating / encoding is required? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [cellhunter] about positioning
Hello. On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 19:40, Petr Vanek wrote: I am currently working on this, a D-Bus location service for the FR. I work with the openBmap data though. I already had some talks with FSO people, in order to see how we can collaborate on this. this sounds like i come first, the rest doesn't matter to me. we have data in both openbmap and cellhunter, can we make sure both are utilized? And that sounds like You are doing the job, but I tell you what to do. :) As discussed several times on this very ml the cellhunter data finds his way into the openbmap database via opencellid. regards Stefan Schmidt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reading binary messages
that's an incorrect assumption. my providers only send one SMS indicating i have an MMS to read. there isn't a second SMS with a public URL. therefore i have zero chance of reading it unless i use my own software to fetch the MMS and render it by hand. Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: AFAIK there is just no way to detect if phone supports MMS or not. Binary message is sent, and when timeout is reached without downloading message, SMS with info is sent. So Freerunner users can still read their MMS, exactly as Nokia 3210 users :P ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: fixing bug #1024 successful reports?
giacomo `giotti` mariani schrieb: Hello to Everyone, I'm seriously thinking to perform the fix on my phone, but I'm afraid to have some lack of knowledge. Is some guide/how-to available out there? Thank you very much Giacomo i know this would better be asked on teh hw list, but here i target a wider audience: i treid to remove the can from the modem, but there is this other small pbc ontop of it that seems to be glued and connected to the mainboard through a connector plug. my question: how to remove the can without damagin anything? (there is this metal mesh which is glued on aswell , but that wont be a problem) who knows the answers ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [cellhunter] about positioning
On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 19:40, Petr Vanek wrote: I am currently working on this, a D-Bus location service for the FR. I work with the openBmap data though. I already had some talks with FSO people, in order to see how we can collaborate on this. this sounds like i come first, the rest doesn't matter to me. we have data in both openbmap and cellhunter, can we make sure both are utilized? And that sounds like You are doing the job, but I tell you what to do. :) i realize that, and it's not that way. it just feels silly to even think about not utilizibng all the c.h. data As discussed several times on this very ml the cellhunter data finds his way into the openbmap database via opencellid. looking forward to that... Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: intone-video 0.12
Hi, jeremy jozwik wrote: sweet, what kind of formating / encoding is required? Like it says on the wiki use something like mencoder file_to_encode.avi -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vhq:vbitrate=300 \ -vf scale=320:240,eq2=1.2:0.5:-0.25,rotate=2 -oac mp3lame -ofps 15 -lameopts br=64:cbr \ -o file_for_openmoko HTH. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/intone-video-0.12-tp3399632p3399918.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ZAGG invisible sheild for Neo Freerunner
Biagio Marino schrieb: Hello, I would like to buy the invisible sheild (full body) for my new Freerunner but I have some doubts. It's simple to install? If I use my Neo under the rain it will remove the invisible sheild? If I have install it can I remove the back of my Freerunner (for example to remove the battery) or i can't? If I have install it i can put my Frerunner in the leather case (by tuxbrain) or whit the invisible sheild the Frerunner is too big to enter on the case? Regards, it is easy to install, yes, but i removed it, because it is a dirt magnet! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reading binary messages
On 8/6/09, David Ford da...@blue-labs.org wrote: that's an incorrect assumption. my providers only send one SMS indicating i have an MMS to read. there isn't a second SMS with a public URL. therefore i have zero chance of reading it unless i use my own software to fetch the MMS and render it by hand. Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: AFAIK there is just no way to detect if phone supports MMS or not. Binary message is sent, and when timeout is reached without downloading message, SMS with info is sent. So Freerunner users can still read their MMS, exactly as Nokia 3210 users :P So how are you supposed to read them on some old or simple headsets? Not every phone has MMS support at all, even iPhone didn't have it in first versions. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: intone-video 0.12
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:17 AM, c_ccchan...@yahoo.com wrote: Like it says on the wiki use something like ah, didnt know it had a wiki page. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ZAGG invisible sheild for Neo Freerunner
I've had one on mine for over a year now. Yes it is easy to install, and you can still plug everything in and take the back of the case off. It has separate pieces that fit perfectly on the freerunner. -Dan On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Bernd Prünster bernd.pruens...@gmail.comwrote: Biagio Marino schrieb: Hello, I would like to buy the invisible sheild (full body) for my new Freerunner but I have some doubts. It's simple to install? If I use my Neo under the rain it will remove the invisible sheild? If I have install it can I remove the back of my Freerunner (for example to remove the battery) or i can't? If I have install it i can put my Frerunner in the leather case (by tuxbrain) or whit the invisible sheild the Frerunner is too big to enter on the case? Regards, it is easy to install, yes, but i removed it, because it is a dirt magnet! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reading binary messages
you can't. there is no guarantee by your provider that you can read MMS messages on any given phone. unless you bought a phone that indicates it can do MMS and you receive one, great. if you have a black and white dinosaur phone that doesn't do graphics and you get an MMS, you're just plain out of luck if your provider doesn't also send you a URL to read it from your PC. Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: So how are you supposed to read them on some old or simple headsets? Not every phone has MMS support at all, even iPhone didn't have it in first versions. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[OM2009t5] fso-abyss on 2009t5? (was: Re: No suspend after ffalarms alarm)
Am Donnerstag, 6. August 2009 17:59:34 schrieb Angus Ainslie: On August 6, 2009 08:45:01 am Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: FWIW, fso-abyss is handling these nasty deep-sleep issues nowadays, in a better way than ogsmd ever did. :M: The next Om2009 testing release will use fso-abyss and fsousaged. If you'd like to try before the next release ( which will be the end of August, earilest ) use tomorrows or 6 days ago unstable. You'll also need to opkg install fso-abyss fsousaged and make some changes to /etc/frameworkd.conf, under [ogsmd] add ti_calypso_muxer = fso-abyss and to the end of the file add [ousaged] disable = 1 [fsousage] [fsousage.controller] Angus May I also be successful with that on a 2009t5 install? My sd card is full of data and I don't want to kill the present t5 installation with all the apps... -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] new images v6 - problems over problems.
Radek Polak wrote: Tschaka wrote: Hello, QTMoko doesnt seem to make it for me. although it feels like a phone, it is totally unreliable. it's totally freezing occassionally, which led me twice to a broken file system, which the fsck at startup didnt fix (it wanted to reboot after fsck, but then i got a nice kernel panic). You can try put it in NAND instead of SD card. I think Freerunner/kernel do not work well with some kind of SD cards. E.g. i have bought Kingston 8GB SD card. QtMoko booted only like in 50% cases resulting mostly in some mmc related kernel messages scrolling on the screen. So i changed this card with friend's SanDisk 4GB and this one works just fine. But NAND is probably best place to have stable phone. I never had problems when running from NAND. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Right, i could have thought of that on my own... The card i actually installed QTmoko at has been the card which has been delivered with the phone (a 512 MB Transcend Card). The one i bought yesterday has been a 2 GB Transcend card. Both of them made Problems. Earlier this year i bought a camcorder. With it i bought an 8 GB SDHC Card. My Camera stopped recording occassionally, but pretended it would record further. The device hung, didnt react on any key input. Now guess which brand it had ... Right, Transcend. Now i'm having a Kingston 8 GB SDHC card in it, and it works flawlessly... Guess i'm off to the shop tomorrow, buying sone SanDisk card, as you said it works for you. Thanks for the hint :) Greetings -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-QtMoko--new-images-v6-tp3385796p3400446.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Neon!
Hello! I just want to praise Valery Febvre for her (? Sounds female to me... females are rare in here *g*) absolutely great picture viewer, namely Neon. I had it on my Neo for quite some time but never came to actually trying it. Now I had some pictures from Wacken this year to show to my friends and tried opening them with Neon. Worked perfect. Fullscreen mode, a little time to find out that one has to press on the bottom to get out the arrow keys for image changing and there we went. Thanks for that awesome piece of software! I think this deserves some honour on opkg.org's home page... -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] new images v6 - problems over problems.
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 12:31 AM, Tschakastuff4tsch...@gmx.net wrote: [...] this mainly happened, when i was setting up the email account via wifi. [...] 99% of my problems come up from broken wifi kernel driver (in every kernel, but latest have serious issues). I do not know the one used in qtmoko v6. P.s. I have a kingston 8GB card and it faults quite every time I bring GSM up, I'm using it to develop, while with the shipped 512mb I have no problems. Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neon!
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Marceltan...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello! I just want to praise Valery Febvre for her (? Sounds female to me... females are rare in here *g*) absolutely great picture viewer, namely Neon. yah, neon rocks. and its awesomely fast ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Help with FSO calls timeouts (was: (om2009) OpenBmap client keeps crashing)
I changed the subject, in order to try bringing attention to your
timeouts issues...
Hi Risto,
let's see how I can help you!
Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
If paroli doesn't run, it wont start at all.
This might be because my application does not request the GSM ressource.
Thus, if GSM is not up and running, requested by another application, I
am not sure of how nice it handles it.
I have some problems with GPS, I feel that Tangogps or openbmap alone
can't actually ever see any satelites, but if I first start omgps
(using ublox), I get a nice fix and then when I start openbmap or
tango, it changes to fso and things sometimes work.
Well I request GPS ressource and uses it through FSO API here. So at the
moment I can't see my application being guilty here.
Sometimes (like every 20th restart - I really mean it, i've wasted
hours in the bus trying to run this and it's actually very
frustrating...) it starts with no problems but then I can't turn it on
(to make it actually store cell info) but it freezes and suddenly
shows no UI.
Difficult to help without logs... A very quick response would be a
timeout about the GPS response (as you explain you meet difficulties
with it) which my app does not handle correctly (but this never happened
to me so far...).
It's now been about a week travelling when I haven't been able to
record any cells, because can't start openbmap. It tries to do its
magic for some minutes (I have paroli running, sometimes also omgps
with gps fix)
Traceback (most recent call last):
File /usr/bin/openBmapGTK, line 356, in module
hwg = openBmapGTK()
File /usr/bin/openBmapGTK, line 130, in __init__
self._obmlogger = openbmap.logger.ObmLogger()
File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/openbmap/logger.py, line
832, in __init__
self._gsm = Gsm(self._bus)
File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/openbmap/logger.py, line 64,
in __init__
self.get_device_info()
File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/openbmap/logger.py, line
223, in get_device_info
data = dbus.Interface(obj, 'org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device').GetInfo()
File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py, line 68,
in __call__
return self._proxy_method(*args, **keywords)
File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py, line 140,
in __call__
**keywords)
File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/connection.py, line
622, in call_blocking
message, timeout)
dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did
not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application
did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the
reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was
broken.
In this case, the application calls a D-Bus FSO API in order to get
hardware details. It seems the framework times out :-(
or this:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File /usr/bin/openBmapGTK, line 356, in module
hwg = openBmapGTK()
File /usr/bin/openBmapGTK, line 132, in __init__
self._obmlogger.init_openBmap()
File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/openbmap/logger.py, line
1118, in init_openBmap
self.request_ressource('CPU')
File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/openbmap/logger.py, line
859, in request_ressource
request = dbus.Interface(obj,
'org.freesmartphone.Usage').RequestResource(resource)
File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py, line 68,
in __call__
return self._proxy_method(*args, **keywords)
File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py, line 140,
in __call__
**keywords)
File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/connection.py, line
622, in call_blocking
message, timeout)
dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply:
Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)
In this case I request a ressource (GPS and CPU, the latter for
preventing the phone to suspend, but allow the screen to dim light)
through FSO D-Bus API. This calls times out.
So my application should handle this much more nicely. But, this is
normal that it refuses to start if one of these calls does not succeed.
The only hint I can give you so far, is that I ran under such issues
under Debian when calling the monitoring interface. When this would
happen, then exiting obm, and trying to relaunch it, would bring
timeouts as you meet.
I could not find much info about this so far though :-( I am not sure
what is happening.
I have no idea it it's because of openbmap or fso but I'd really
appreciate it if someone could gice me a tip if there's something I
can do to fix this. It just stopped working some days ago without any
upgrade or program installation (I haven't had the phone connected to
internet for a week or so).
Too bad I'm missing many cells, can't get higher in the openbmap stats :)
That is very much annoying yes! You should have a
Podboy!
Marcel-2 wrote: Hello! I just want to praise Valery Febvre for her (? Sounds female to me... females are rare in here *g*) absolutely great picture viewer, namely Neon. I had it on my Neo for quite some time but never came to actually trying it. Now I had some pictures from Wacken this year to show to my friends and tried opening them with Neon. Worked perfect. Fullscreen mode, a little time to find out that one has to press on the bottom to get out the arrow keys for image changing and there we went. Thanks for that awesome piece of software! I think this deserves some honour on opkg.org's home page... -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I only tried Neon once and must say i really liked it. But, furthermore, there is this other great piece of software of valery which hardly anybody seems to know: Podboy [1] Podboy is the podcast software you want to got with. It's fast, polished, looks nice, feels stable and has a nice structure - give it a try. loading your everyday news podcast at breakfast for listening on the go is really fun with it. The only thing i am missing is some option button for turning off autosuspend while running - but this can easily be avoided by a little startup script Thanks Valery! [1] http://code.google.com/p/podboy/ -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Neon%21-tp3400492p3400646.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neon!
I'll second that! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [cellhunter] about positioning
Hi, Petr Vanek wrote: On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 19:40, Petr Vanek wrote: I am currently working on this, a D-Bus location service for the FR. I work with the openBmap data though. I already had some talks with FSO people, in order to see how we can collaborate on this. this sounds like i come first, the rest doesn't matter to me. we have data in both openbmap and cellhunter, can we make sure both are utilized? And that sounds like You are doing the job, but I tell you what to do. :) i realize that, and it's not that way. it just feels silly to even think about not utilizibng all the c.h. data I don't think I said something about not using the data :-) We have imported data from opencellid to bring right now the best coverage for the users. And plan to replace it with time with our data. Sebastian, from cellhunter said a couple of times he would import his data into opencellid. As discussed several times on this very ml the cellhunter data finds his way into the openbmap database via opencellid. Exactly, as explained above. Of course you could give openBmap a try, thus your new data would be there directly ;-) Onen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: fixing bug #1024 successful reports?
Bernd Prünster bernd.pruens...@gmail.com writes: i treid to remove the can from the modem, but there is this other small pbc ontop of it that seems to be glued and connected to the mainboard through a connector plug. my question: how to remove the can without damagin anything? (there is this metal mesh which is glued on aswell , but that wont be a problem) Simply slowly pull the wlan board, it unglues easily. Be careful dismounting the can, better spend more time on it. Just pull it a bit with a pin-pointed knife in every reasonable place, eventually it will come off. Good luck! -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [cellhunter] about positioning
Exactly, as explained above. good :) Of course you could give openBmap a try, thus your new data would be there directly ;-) i better :) what if i run openbmap and cellhunter at the same time? Should run ok, as it only uses fso calls... Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [cellhunter] about positioning
Petr Vanek wrote: what if i run openbmap and cellhunter at the same time? Should run ok, as it only uses fso calls... openBmap uses only FSO API. I think c.h. uses FSO Debug API to send AT commands. So I guess this should not be a problem. Onen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009t5] fso-abyss on 2009t5? (was: Re: No suspend after ffalarms alarm)
On August 6, 2009 01:26:16 pm Marcel wrote: May I also be successful with that on a 2009t5 install? My sd card is full of data and I don't want to kill the present t5 installation with all the apps... There are quite a few dependencies that probably won't upgrade automatically. You will need to do a lot of hand tweaking to get this to work. Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ZAGG invisible sheild for Neo Freerunner
On 6 Aug 2009, at 19:48, Dan Staley wrote: ... Yes it is easy to install, and you can still plug everything in and take the back of the case off. It has separate pieces that fit perfectly on the freerunner. I can't believe you say this! I found it a nightmare to try to fit, and eventually gave up. ZAGG's simple screen protector is fine - because of the way you can add lubricant reposition it, it's maybe a little better than other brands. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Unabel to SSH into Neo Freerunner
Hi, I'm currently having difficulties connecting to the Neo Freerunner (running OM2009) from Ubuntu 9.04. Initially I did not get the usb0 ethernet connection when plugging in the booted device, so I used modprobe g_ether to get the interface. Afterwards I configured the usb0 as follows: ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 Then tried ssh 192.168.0.202 But I always get the error of no route to host My wlan0 connection is on a different subnet (192.168.1.249). The details for both interfaces are listed below. Printing the routes on my system I get the following list: Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 2 00 wlan0 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 usb0 link-local * 255.255.0.0 U 1000 00 wlan0 default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG0 00 wlan0 Trying to modify the route table with following command: route add -host 192.168.0.202 gw 192.168.0.200 I always get SIOCADDRT: Network is down So basically I'm currently stuck trying to connect to the Freerunner. My system is not using any firewalling rules (iptables --list shows no rules). Any ideas? Thanks, Niels. wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:21:5c:1a:c4:f9 inet addr:192.168.1.249 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::221:5cff:fe1a:c4f9/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:41334 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:31401 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:54936553 (54.9 MB) TX bytes:4458136 (4.4 MB) usb0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr f6:8e:f5:11:e4:13 inet addr:192.168.0.200 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::f48e:f5ff:fe11:e413/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:10 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:169 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:1696 (1.6 KB) TX bytes:22003 (22.0 KB) _ Hebben jij en je vrienden leuke foto's van jullie feestje? Maak een groepsalbum en geniet nog extra na. http://www.microsoft.com/belux/nl/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Unabel to SSH into Neo Freerunner
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Niels Heyvaertnielsheyva...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm currently having difficulties connecting to the Neo Freerunner (running OM2009) from Ubuntu 9.04. Initially I did not get the usb0 ethernet connection when plugging in the booted device, so I used modprobe g_ether to get the interface. Afterwards I configured the usb0 as follows: ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 Then tried ssh 192.168.0.202 But I always get the error of no route to host My wlan0 connection is on a different subnet (192.168.1.249). The details for both interfaces are listed below. Printing the routes on my system I get the following list: Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 2 00 wlan0 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 usb0 link-local * 255.255.0.0 U 1000 00 wlan0 default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG0 00 wlan0 Trying to modify the route table with following command: route add -host 192.168.0.202 gw 192.168.0.200 I always get SIOCADDRT: Network is down So basically I'm currently stuck trying to connect to the Freerunner. My system is not using any firewalling rules (iptables --list shows no rules). Any ideas? Thanks, Niels. wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:21:5c:1a:c4:f9 inet addr:192.168.1.249 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::221:5cff:fe1a:c4f9/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:41334 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:31401 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:54936553 (54.9 MB) TX bytes:4458136 (4.4 MB) usb0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr f6:8e:f5:11:e4:13 inet addr:192.168.0.200 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::f48e:f5ff:fe11:e413/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:10 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:169 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:1696 (1.6 KB) TX bytes:22003 (22.0 KB) Gratis verblufffende panoramafoto's maken? Met Photo Gallery is dit zo gebeurd. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community for people who cannot read .6 font ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reading binary messages
Hey David, On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:15:57 -0400 David Ford da...@blue-labs.org wrote: MMS notification is sent as a URL via SMS. bluesms.py has initial support for MMS however my phone has been out for buzzfix for a while. with a growing number of phones and carriers, you're only allowed to fetch that URL from the phone number it's designated for. further, it's normal to require you to fetch via your APN proxy. do note that the PDU decoding for these binary messages is broken in FSO and needs to be fixed. i'll work on that when i get my phone back next week. that means that the URL sent to you could have junk prefixed to the URL, or the front of the URL could be chopped off. we talked about this some time ago and I'm still not sure why the first part of that multipart SMS is swallowed in your case. As I said the binary SMS you get not only contains the URL but other info as well. Have you tried my suggestion on setting Device.SetSimBuffersSms(False) [1] and checking with mdbus -s -l what the first message is? I suspect the first message has the attribute pid or message-class set to something strange so when the SIM buffers the message it will overwrite it. As soon as you got both messages you can reassemble the whole message and parse that according to the spec. [1]: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.html;hb=HEAD#SetSimBuffersSms Regards, Daniel Willmann signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Unabel to SSH into Neo Freerunner
im basically having the same, though my machine says: connection refused ideas? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reading binary messages
howdy, yup, we did. and unfortunately i had to ship my phone off for buzz fix. i just got the box in the mail today and this is one of the top items on my todo list this weekend. i've already put some code into bluesms.py in prep for copying the pdu and storing it to see a) why the two msgs, and b) why the corruption. -david Daniel Willmann wrote: [...] we talked about this some time ago and I'm still not sure why the first part of that multipart SMS is swallowed in your case. As I said the binary SMS you get not only contains the URL but other info as well. Have you tried my suggestion on setting Device.SetSimBuffersSms(False) [1] and checking with mdbus -s -l what the first message is? I suspect the first message has the attribute pid or message-class set to something strange so when the SIM buffers the message it will overwrite it. As soon as you got both messages you can reassemble the whole message and parse that according to the spec. [1]: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.html;hb=HEAD#SetSimBuffersSms ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
