[Community Updates] August 6th, 2009 released!
Hello eveerybody, August 6th, 2009 Community Update is out! Take a look at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2009-08-06 and contribute to the new draft at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2009-08-19 -- Kind Regards Patryk Benderz IT Specialist Linux Registered User #377521 +48 22 538 6292 ERSTE Securities Polska S.A. ul. Królewska 16 Warszawa 00-103 KRS 065121 NIP 526-10-27-638 REGON 011136053 Kapitał akcyjny: 15.500.000 złotych (w pełni opłacony) This message and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the addressee(s). Any publication, transmission or other use of the information by a person or entity other than the intended addressee is prohibited. If you receive this in error please contact the sender and delete the material. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions as a result of the transmission. Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Community Updates] August 6th, 2009 released!
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Patryk Benderzpatryk.bend...@esp.pl wrote: Hello eveerybody, August 6th, 2009 Community Update is out! Take a look at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2009-08-06 and contribute to the new draft at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2009-08-19 Impressive! the new layout is wonderful ;) Keep up the good work! Niko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Unabel to SSH into Neo Freerunner
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 01:12 +, Niels Heyvaert wrote: Hi, I'm currently having difficulties connecting to the Neo Freerunner (running OM2009) from Ubuntu 9.04. Initially I did not get the usb0 ethernet connection when plugging in the booted device, so I used Correct. Om2009 doesn't use usb0. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Usb_networking#So_is_it_.22usb0.22_or_is_it_.22eth1.22.3F If you really want to be sure, do this: Before plugging the FR in: ifconfig -a (this will show _all_ interfaces, even inactive ones) After plugging the FR in: ifconfig -a Now, you should see one additional network interface. Using ubuntu, you don't need to modprobe anything. Since you already know how to manually activate the interface, I'll leave the rest to you, ;-) David (Happily ssh-ing into my FR (Om2009, SHR-u) from ubuntu 9.04) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ZAGG invisible sheild for Neo Freerunner
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Mikhail Umorinmike...@gmail.com wrote: It's a bit of a pain, especially the full body one. You need steady hands and a lot of patience. The installation takes about an hour, then ZAGG recommends to leave it overnight. Then the plastic snugs like a glove on the device. It's shiny, so it looks a little cheesy (but my wife thinks the opposite). Also, Zagg undersupplies the SHIELD spray for the full body option, so use sparingly, but liberally when installing the screen piece because any fingerprints will be visible (like on mine :) ) -- even if you wash you hands really well. Mikhail is completely correct. Leave a lot of time for doing the install. If you want it done right, it is not a quick task. Personally, I did the back cover first (several times because I kept messing up with bubbles and such) so that I'd have practice before doing the screen. Fortunately, it is true that you can remove and reinstall the shield before it dries. Just be careful when you're pulling it up not to let the sticky sides touch, it left a small blur on the corner of my screen that I can't get off. (I'll probably exchange my front piece with Zagg, since I'm something of a perfectionist.) As for the SHIELD spray, I also ran out very fast and had to search Zagg's FAQ. They say that it is mostly water and that you can refill the spray bottle from the tap. Unfortunately, they don't mention what the other secret ingredient is. (Thousand island dressing?) Someone mentioned that the shield is a dust magnet. That's probably true, but my screen stays cleaner since I'm no longer worried about wiping it off on something possibly abrasive, like my shirt. --Ben P.S. Mikhail is also correct that the shiny look is cheesy. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Community Updates] August 6th, 2009 released!
Nicola Mfb wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Patryk Benderzpatryk.bend...@esp.pl wrote: Hello eveerybody, August 6th, 2009 Community Update is out! Take a look at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2009-08-06 and contribute to the new draft at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2009-08-19 Impressive! the new layout is wonderful ;) Keep up the good work! Niko +1, i do like the new layout too. Thank you, these updates are really useful. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Community-Updates--August-6th%2C-2009-released%21-tp3402664p3403061.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Unabel to SSH into Neo Freerunner
i have serious issues, to distinguish what you do on your pc and what on the freerunner. the pc should have ip .200 and the fr .202. so, please explain more carfully what you are doing and mention the distribution you are using on your fr. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: intone-video 0.12
c_c wrote: Hi, Well, I find that while mplayer with the xglamo patches cant play flv files - it does perform better. So I'm going back to that version of mplayer. Changes * uses mplayer with xglamo support * dbus support for - incoming calls - outgoing calls - preventing the screen from dimming http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3402335/intone-video_0.13_arm.ipk intone-video_0.13_arm.ipk Nice. What about BT headset support? I've tried a quick video, but i have some issues : - no sound, mplayer gives : mplayer wrote: [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy Failed to initialize audio driver 'oss' [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy AO: [alsa] 48000Hz 1ch s16le (2 bytes per sample) ID_AUDIO_CODEC=mad - the video doesn't scale - the video isn't centered, it's player on the top-left corner Video is available here if you need it for tests : http://www.kazer.org/RampRollOver-moko.avi Thank you :) Otherwise, video playback seems smooth so far, nice! -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/intone-video-0.12-tp3399632p3403200.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ZAGG invisible sheild for Neo Freerunner
Hello, Zagg undersupplies the SHIELD spray for the full body option, so use sparingly, but liberally when installing the screen piece because any fingerprints will be visible (like on mine :) ) -- even if you wash you hands really well. What do you think about the use of latex glove to prevent the formation of fingerprints? How much time can work? Regards, -- Biagio Marino ilcristopag...@gmail.com signature.asc Description: Questa è una parte del messaggio firmata digitalmente ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian installation
try debian kernel... ;-) d On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 6:23 AM, jeremy jozwik jerjoz.for...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Esteban Mongeesteban.franci...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. Sorry for my very bad english, I speak spanish... hola! do you happen to have a usb keyboard that perhaps can work while you are trouble shooting? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neon!
jeremy jozwik wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Marceltan...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello! I just want to praise Valery Febvre for her (? Sounds female to me... females are rare in here *g*) absolutely great picture viewer, namely Neon. yah, neon rocks. and its awesomely fast Marcel, Jeremy, Tschaka, thank you very much for your compliments about Neon and Podboy. Marcel: sorry I'm a guy ;-) -- Valéry ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Selling Freerunner - London
All, Unfortunately I don't really have time for my Freerunner anymore. This was one of the coolest devices I've ever had the opportunity to use, but it's depressing having it gather dust in the corner while someone could actually be using it. Before I put it on eBay I was wondering if anyone in London is looking to buy a Freerunner (Recently returned from a holiday in Germany where it had the Buzz Fix applied)? Cheers ezuall -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Selling-Freerunner---London-tp3404284p3404284.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR working application list
Now that the SHR Manual Draft is up (1) and the Logo contest is ongoing (2) it would be a good idea to to have a wiki page listing that are working on current SHR Unstable. I was thinking of a table with the following columns most applications are in opkg, what if opkg got some fields to fill in the required info. (i know this is not the same, but could also do...? Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Freerunner audio channels
Hi list, I finally took a lunch break to check out the various alsa channel settings. Angus's mixer scripts rock, BTW! Trying to track down the input for the handset, I've looked at the wolfson schematic, browsed through the handset state file and can only come to the conclusion that the audio path is completely circumventing the digital filter module. Why is that? We're only using the sidetone path and mixing that as the only channel into the output. The rest is disabled (volumes set to 0 and switches set to False). Reading up on what sidetone actually is (wikipedia) I get the feeling that we're not supposed to do this. Ok, it works, but the sidetone path was never intended for this purpose, I gather, but rather to provide feedback to the speaker's earpiece. I tried to decipher the various wiki pages dealing with audio and the conflicting posts on alsa settings and played with Angus's mixer during a phone call (FR in my one hand, landline with covered up mouth piece in my other) and noticed that setting Mic2 Capture Volume to 0 does _not_ mute the Mic. It _does_, however, enable me to set the Mono Sidetone Playback Volume quite high (6 / 7) as well as the Mono Playback Volume (100 / 127). This post is not intended to start another discussion on 'best' settings, but maybe some of you know the answer to these questions: - Why exactly are FR's different while I've never heard of Nokia users needing to tweak mixer settings. - Why does setting Mic2 Capture Volume to 0 _not_ (almost) mute the mic? - Why do we bypass the digital filters by using the sidetone path? Maybe this information is buried somewhere but I can't unearth it. Thanks! David PS: It seems that I can now use my FR to actually make phone calls, ;-) PPS: If these questions are answered, maybe I'll stick my neck out and delete all conflicting information on the wiki and write a small 'How to set your mixer settings appropriately?' PPPS: I'll not do anything rash, I promise. However, it would be nice to reach some kind of consensus and clean up the wiki. It took me far too much time to tweak my phone to make calls without noise, echo etc. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR working application list
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:23:32 +0200 Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz (PV) wrote: Now that the SHR Manual Draft is up (1) and the Logo contest is ongoing (2) it would be a good idea to to have a wiki page listing that are working on current SHR Unstable. I was thinking of a table with the following columns most applications are in opkg, what if opkg got some fields to fill in the required info. (i know this is not the same, but could also do...? i meant opkg.org Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neon!
Am Freitag, 7. August 2009 15:05:27 schrieb Valery Febvre: Marcel: sorry I'm a guy ;-) Dammit! Okay, sorry for misintepreting your name... :D ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner audio channels
On 8/7/09, David Fokkema dfokk...@ileos.nl wrote: - Why exactly are FR's different while I've never heard of Nokia users needing to tweak mixer settings. WTF? Every phone user tweaks mixer settings by using volume up and volume down buttons during call... In Freerunner we only miss good UI (from user point of view) and infrastrucuture behind it (from programmer point of view). -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner audio channels
Am Freitag, 7. August 2009 16:29:24 schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak: On 8/7/09, David Fokkema dfokk...@ileos.nl wrote: - Why exactly are FR's different while I've never heard of Nokia users needing to tweak mixer settings. WTF? Every phone user tweaks mixer settings by using volume up and volume down buttons during call... In Freerunner we only miss good UI (from user point of view) and infrastrucuture behind it (from programmer point of view). Afaik, my Nokia 3510i doesn't even have such buttons and I never missed them... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Unabel to SSH into Neo Freerunner
On August 6, 2009 09:07:40 pm c_c wrote: Hi, I also get the following error :- usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 7 usb 2-2: configuration #1 chosen from 2 choices eth1: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-:00:0b.0-2, CDC Ethernet Device, 00:1f:11:01:2a:26 eth1: no IPv6 routers present Something to do with ipv6? No it means it has been allocated eth1 because it has a static MAC address. So any setup you do on the PC side needs to be for eth1 and not usb0 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner audio channels
On 8/7/09, Marcel tan...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Freitag, 7. August 2009 16:29:24 schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak: On 8/7/09, David Fokkema dfokk...@ileos.nl wrote: - Why exactly are FR's different while I've never heard of Nokia users needing to tweak mixer settings. WTF? Every phone user tweaks mixer settings by using volume up and volume down buttons during call... In Freerunner we only miss good UI (from user point of view) and infrastrucuture behind it (from programmer point of view). Afaik, my Nokia 3510i doesn't even have such buttons and I never missed them... I'm pretty sure in Nokia 3510i up and down buttons control volume during call, as in Nokia 3310 and Nokia 3410. And most of users just set volume once, when they can't hear something or they think volume is too loud, and then they forgot about it - but it's still volume tweaking, and exactly the same is possible in Freerunner, just software is missing! -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian installation
try debian kernel... ;-) Hello thanks for the answers... I must download the kernel of http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6-openmoko/? And how download the driver modules? Or the kernel have the kernel modules? hola! do you happen to have a usb keyboard that perhaps can work while you are trouble shooting? I need buy the adaptor =( 2009/8/7 Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com try debian kernel... ;-) d On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 6:23 AM, jeremy jozwik jerjoz.for...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Esteban Mongeesteban.franci...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. Sorry for my very bad english, I speak spanish... hola! do you happen to have a usb keyboard that perhaps can work while you are trouble shooting? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- http://nuevaeracr.blogspot.com Linux user number 478378 Linux machine number 386687 Tec. Esteban Monge Marín Tel: (506) 8379-3562 “No habrá manera de desarrollarnos y salir de la pobreza mientras los pocos negocios grandes de nuestro medio se entreguen a las economías foráneas y nosotros nos quedemos con solo negocios de pobre, mientras en vez de ser propietarios de nuestro propio país nos convirtamos en un ejército de empleados del exterior” José Figueres Ferrer, 1952. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: intone-video 0.12
On 8/7/09, KaZeR ka...@altern.org wrote: c_c wrote: Hi, Well, I find that while mplayer with the xglamo patches cant play flv files - it does perform better. So I'm going back to that version of mplayer. Changes * uses mplayer with xglamo support * dbus support for - incoming calls - outgoing calls - preventing the screen from dimming http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3402335/intone-video_0.13_arm.ipk intone-video_0.13_arm.ipk Nice. What about BT headset support? I've tried a quick video, but i have some issues : - no sound, mplayer gives : mplayer wrote: [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy Failed to initialize audio driver 'oss' [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy AO: [alsa] 48000Hz 1ch s16le (2 bytes per sample) ID_AUDIO_CODEC=mad - the video doesn't scale - the video isn't centered, it's player on the top-left corner Video is available here if you need it for tests : http://www.kazer.org/RampRollOver-moko.avi Thank you :) Otherwise, video playback seems smooth so far, nice! In addition here when i press Stop the video is stopped just for some seconds and the movie stays alwas in foreground. Sound works for me so far, but I have a self built mplayer, that might be the reason. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ZAGG invisible sheild for Neo Freerunner
I bought the full body shield and had it installed for maybe 6 months before just pulling off all but the screen protector a few days ago. Like someone else mentioned, the edges collect a lot of dirt and grit, and just doesn't look that great. My recommendation is to just get the screen protector. If you do get the full body shield - allow a lot of time for installation - it's really tricky getting the small bits around the curved edges to fit right. Warren 2009/8/6 Biagio Marino ilcristopag...@gmail.com Hello, I would like to buy the invisible sheild (full body) for my new Freerunner but I have some doubts. It's simple to install? If I use my Neo under the rain it will remove the invisible sheild? If I have install it can I remove the back of my Freerunner (for example to remove the battery) or i can't? If I have install it i can put my Frerunner in the leather case (by tuxbrain) or whit the invisible sheild the Frerunner is too big to enter on the case? Regards, -- Biagio Marino ilcristopag...@gmail.com PS: I know that the last question is exaggerated but better informed :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: intone-video 0.12
KaZeR schrieb: - the video doesn't scale - the video isn't centered, it's player on the top-left corner same here Video is available here if you need it for tests : http://www.kazer.org/RampRollOver-moko.avi Thank you :) Otherwise, video playback seems smooth so far, nice! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Help with FSO calls timeouts (was: (om2009) OpenBmap client keeps crashing)
comments inline On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Onenonen...@free.fr wrote: I changed the subject, in order to try bringing attention to your timeouts issues... good If paroli doesn't run, it wont start at all. This might be because my application does not request the GSM ressource. Thus, if GSM is not up and running, requested by another application, I am not sure of how nice it handles it. Thats what I thought. Requesting the GSM resource might be a good idea, if FSO can handle more than one app doing it: this way I shouldnt have to run other apps if I just want to log stuff. I have some problems with GPS, I feel that Tangogps or openbmap alone can't actually ever see any satelites, but if I first start omgps (using ublox), I get a nice fix and then when I start openbmap or tango, it changes to fso and things sometimes work. Well I request GPS ressource and uses it through FSO API here. So at the moment I can't see my application being guilty here. Understand Sometimes (like every 20th restart - I really mean it, i've wasted hours in the bus trying to run this and it's actually very frustrating...) it starts with no problems but then I can't turn it on (to make it actually store cell info) but it freezes and suddenly shows no UI. Difficult to help without logs... A very quick response would be a timeout about the GPS response (as you explain you meet difficulties with it) which my app does not handle correctly (but this never happened to me so far...). What logs you want? fso? does openbmap strore it's own logs in .openbmap.. will check.. In this case I request a ressource (GPS and CPU, the latter for preventing the phone to suspend, but allow the screen to dim light) through FSO D-Bus API. This calls times out. For some reason I had this bad feeling that actually it's FSO that fails, not openbmap.. Too bad I'm missing many cells, can't get higher in the openbmap stats :) That is very much annoying yes! You should have a backup distribution installed on SD card in case of ;-) Well yes, true.. I just didn't believe it that suddenly sometghint would break so that things stop working if I don't install anything.. I've heard they call Linux stable so I trusted.. :) The only changing thing here is the country and the GSM cells, other than that I really can't come up with anything that has changed. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner audio channels
I think you're all missing the point. David's initial post is a breath of fresh air into a long debated but (AFAIK) non-resolved issue. I deeply welcome his investigation into this subject, and support his questions (which I also would like to see answered). Although the issue of low playback volume is rather well controlled in our FRs, the issue of low recording volume for GSM transmission remains - with callers still complaining and going what? I didn't hear you... now and then, especially in (even slightly) noisy environments. The whole audio settings for GSM issue is _not_ cut and dried, in my view. I still have to go into frameworkd.conf every time I flash the phone and set the DSP to long-aec to avoid echo and sporadic audio clipping, as well as raising the volume in playback and mic in gsmhandset.state... and I'm still not satisfied with audio quality. So, can someone please humor David and me and explain this sidetone channel business? Thanks. Vasco. Citando Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com: On 8/7/09, Marcel tan...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Freitag, 7. August 2009 16:29:24 schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak: On 8/7/09, David Fokkema dfokk...@ileos.nl wrote: - Why exactly are FR's different while I've never heard of Nokia users needing to tweak mixer settings. WTF? Every phone user tweaks mixer settings by using volume up and volume down buttons during call... In Freerunner we only miss good UI (from user point of view) and infrastrucuture behind it (from programmer point of view). Afaik, my Nokia 3510i doesn't even have such buttons and I never missed them... I'm pretty sure in Nokia 3510i up and down buttons control volume during call, as in Nokia 3310 and Nokia 3410. And most of users just set volume once, when they can't hear something or they think volume is too loud, and then they forgot about it - but it's still volume tweaking, and exactly the same is possible in Freerunner, just software is missing! -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner audio channels
On Friday 07 August 2009, David Fokkema wrote: Hi list, I finally took a lunch break to check out the various alsa channel settings. Angus's mixer scripts rock, BTW! Trying to track down the input for the handset, I've looked at the wolfson schematic, browsed through the handset state file and can only come to the conclusion that the audio path is completely circumventing the digital filter module. Why is that? We're only using the sidetone path and mixing that as the only channel into the output. The rest is disabled (volumes set to 0 and switches set to False). Reading up on what sidetone actually is (wikipedia) I get the feeling that we're not supposed to do this. Ok, it works, but the sidetone path was never intended for this purpose, I gather, but rather to provide feedback to the speaker's earpiece. I tried to decipher the various wiki pages dealing with audio and the conflicting posts on alsa settings and played with Angus's mixer during a phone call (FR in my one hand, landline with covered up mouth piece in my other) and noticed that setting Mic2 Capture Volume to 0 does _not_ mute the Mic. It _does_, however, enable me to set the Mono Sidetone Playback Volume quite high (6 / 7) as well as the Mono Playback Volume (100 / 127). This post is not intended to start another discussion on 'best' settings, but maybe some of you know the answer to these questions: - Why exactly are FR's different while I've never heard of Nokia users needing to tweak mixer settings. Most phones have a simple volume up/down control, often a pair of buttons on the left side of the handset. They hide most of the functionality of the mixer chip which is fine so long as it what you want and what they chose to implement are the same. So far nobody has written a similarly simple volume control for the FR. - Why does setting Mic2 Capture Volume to 0 _not_ (almost) mute the mic? Mic2 has four fixed gain settings of +12dB, +18dB, +24dB and +30dB which are represented by 0, 1, 2 and 3 in the alsa driver. Mute is not an option, though IIRC you could switch that amp off. See page 20 of the Wolfson datasheet. - Why do we bypass the digital filters by using the sidetone path? The digital filters are for ADC and DAC which we aren't using in phone calls. We are passing analogue signals through to the Calypso which has its own filters, ADC and DAC. The only possibly useful bit there is the AGC/Noise Gate, but AFAIK nobody has managed to get it to do anything useful so far. Apps which record the phone call, or play sound into the call, will be using the ADC and DAC, so will include the filter blocks. Remember that our use of the chip is not typical. Most would probably be using the digital voice interface to connect to their GSM chipset instead of using an analogue passthrough as we are. We use the voice interface for a digital connection to the bluetooth module instead. Maybe this information is buried somewhere but I can't unearth it. Thanks! David PS: It seems that I can now use my FR to actually make phone calls, ;-) PPS: If these questions are answered, maybe I'll stick my neck out and delete all conflicting information on the wiki and write a small 'How to set your mixer settings appropriately?' PPPS: I'll not do anything rash, I promise. However, it would be nice to reach some kind of consensus and clean up the wiki. It took me far too much time to tweak my phone to make calls without noise, echo etc. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Help with FSO calls timeouts (was: (om2009) OpenBmap client keeps crashing)
On 8/7/09, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: This might be because my application does not request the GSM ressource. Thus, if GSM is not up and running, requested by another application, I am not sure of how nice it handles it. Thats what I thought. Requesting the GSM resource might be a good idea, if FSO can handle more than one app doing it: this way I shouldnt have to run other apps if I just want to log stuff. FSO can handle more than one app requesting resource (that's what resources are supposed to do by design), but then openBmap will have to implement PIN handling and few other things. And you'll miss calls when you'll use only GSM-aware openBmap without any other phone app. So I can't see much sense with openBmap requesting GSM resource... -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Community Updates] August 6th, 2009 released!
Thanks for the update! And the new layout looks very nice! On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 4:40 AM, KaZeR ka...@altern.org wrote: Nicola Mfb wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Patryk Benderzpatryk.bend...@esp.pl wrote: Hello eveerybody, August 6th, 2009 Community Update is out! Take a look at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2009-08-06 and contribute to the new draft at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2009-08-19 Impressive! the new layout is wonderful ;) Keep up the good work! Niko +1, i do like the new layout too. Thank you, these updates are really useful. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Community-Updates--August-6th%2C-2009-released%21-tp3402664p3403061.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Document with answers to most popular battery-related questions is ready
Rafael Campos meth...@gmail.com writes: Q: But why doesn't it ever stop charging on my device? A: The GSM modem is connected directly to the battery terminals so if it's active, charger will think it's still charging the battery and won't turn off unless GSM becomes inactive. The default threshold is about 16mA, the latest Qi increases the threshold to ~32mA. Is this true for gta02 deevices only or it's the same for gta01? I need to look it up in the datasheet and u-boot for gta01 sources to say for sure. It should be roughly the same for gta01, if it's not, it's a bug and should be fixed. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Keyboard (delete/backspace, insert...)
Hi! I have tried to find the following in the default keyboard in Om2009 unstable Illume touchscreen keyboard - at least: * delete/backspace * insert without inserted space at the end of the insertion point I have tried to use it to change paths in e.g. Navit - but the inserted spaces is a real nuisance. - Is there some keyboard hidden settings, that can make the touchscreen keyboard useful for non-SMS style? On this page all the keys are present: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#Illume_keyboard On mine I can (and always have) only seen a-z, ?, ., ' Why? On: http://etherpad.com/zt3x1x7ERX QWO keyboard have the same fewer keys? - In an earlier distribution I had: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#Qtopia_keyboard Also for SMS style only... - Is it possible to make the Navit keyboard less wide so all characters can be seen and easier used? Or can the keyboard be changed to a better one? /Glenn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Keyboard (delete/backspace, insert...)
On 8/7/09, glenn.mh...@gmail.com glenn.mh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! I have tried to find the following in the default keyboard in Om2009 unstable Illume touchscreen keyboard - at least: * delete/backspace * insert without inserted space at the end of the insertion point I have tried to use it to change paths in e.g. Navit - but the inserted spaces is a real nuisance. - Is there some keyboard hidden settings, that can make the touchscreen keyboard useful for non-SMS style? On this page all the keys are present: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#Illume_keyboard On mine I can (and always have) only seen a-z, ?, ., ' Why? On: http://etherpad.com/zt3x1x7ERX QWO keyboard have the same fewer keys? - In an earlier distribution I had: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#Qtopia_keyboard Also for SMS style only... - Is it possible to make the Navit keyboard less wide so all characters can be seen and easier used? Or can the keyboard be changed to a better one? /Glenn Sorry, but that mail made me feel depressed :/ Click on everything possible on keyboard, say oh my god, i was blind! and select Terminal keyboard -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Keyboard (delete/backspace, insert...)
At 20:00 +0200 07/08/09, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: ... Sorry, but that mail made me feel depressed :/ Click on everything possible on keyboard, say oh my god, i was blind! and select Terminal keyboard -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Sorry, I am accustomed to use Apple MacOS. And now it is time for you to learn a new concept - usability! A button should look like a button and not like some uninteresting weired flat thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usability Quote: ... In human-computer interaction and computer science, usability usually refers to the elegance and clarity with which the interaction with a computer program or a web site is designed. ... The primary notion of usability is that an object designed with a generalized users' psychology and physiology in mind is, for example: ... Easier to learn-operation can be learned by observing the object [Read again: by observing the object - not by tumbling around blindly ! ] ... Button usability: http://www.e-reiss.com/Articles.aspx Quote: ... Anything interactive needs to broadcast its clickability. ... Introduction to Apple Human Interface Guidelines: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/AppleHIGuidelines/XHIGIntro/XHIGIntro.html Quote: ... These guidelines are designed to assist you in developing products that provide Mac OS X users with a consistent visual and behavioral experience across applications and the operating system. Following the guidelines is to your advantage because: ... The implementation of Apple's human interface principles make the Macintosh what it is: intuitive, friendly, elegant, and powerful. ... Buttons: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/AppleHIGuidelines/XHIGControls/XHIGControls.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP3359-TPXREF186 Quote: ... Buttons initiate an immediate action. If a button initiates an indeterminate process, the button should be dimmed until the process is complete, and status feedback should be provided. ... All push buttons should be clear in appearance ... - If you catched the proper notion you will think: Oh My God - I have been enlightened! From now on I will also remember to think about usability and not provide my end users with nerdy user interface stuff, e.g. some non-button like button! /Glenn . ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner audio channels
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 16:29 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: On 8/7/09, David Fokkema dfokk...@ileos.nl wrote: - Why exactly are FR's different while I've never heard of Nokia users needing to tweak mixer settings. WTF? Every phone user tweaks mixer settings by using volume up and volume down buttons during call... In Freerunner we only miss good UI (from user point of view) and infrastrucuture behind it (from programmer point of view). I've heard of phone users using their volume up and down settings, but I've never heard of setting _three_ volume sliders in some particular config which does not produce clipping, does not inhibit noise reduction, while keeping enough gain to be loud enough for the other side. And furthermore, by evidence of numerous threads on this mailing list and conflicting and incomplete information in the wiki, one particular statefile will _not_ work for all users. And I'm not talking about very subjective things either: clipping, noise, rustling, echo, etc. which makes conversations extremely difficult while using statefiles which are just about perfect for some users. The fact that Freerunners differ in audio quality and settings has been stated on this list and on support. And going by the last paragraph, this is true. So, _why_ are Freerunners different? Regards, David ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ZAGG invisible sheild for Neo Freerunner
On Friday 07 August 2009 05:44:09 Biagio Marino wrote: Hello, ... What do you think about the use of latex glove to prevent the formation of fingerprints? I don't think it's a good idea. First, latex gloves seem to have some kind of a powder on them -- that will stick to the screen. Second, the glove itself will be sticky even with with the spray. And, once it sticks, it will be much harder to unstick it than you finger. Vinyl, powder-free gloves may be better. But you still would have to spray them every 30 -- 60 sec or so.. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner audio channels
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 16:52 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: On 8/7/09, Marcel tan...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Freitag, 7. August 2009 16:29:24 schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak: On 8/7/09, David Fokkema dfokk...@ileos.nl wrote: - Why exactly are FR's different while I've never heard of Nokia users needing to tweak mixer settings. WTF? Every phone user tweaks mixer settings by using volume up and volume down buttons during call... In Freerunner we only miss good UI (from user point of view) and infrastrucuture behind it (from programmer point of view). Afaik, my Nokia 3510i doesn't even have such buttons and I never missed them... I'm pretty sure in Nokia 3510i up and down buttons control volume during call, as in Nokia 3310 and Nokia 3410. And most of users just set volume once, when they can't hear something or they think volume is too loud, and then they forgot about it - but it's still volume tweaking, and exactly the same is possible in Freerunner, just software is missing! Angus Ainslie's mixers (pymixer.py and the newer fsomixer.py) are excellent! Still, I needed to play with three sliders for input and two for output. I understand the need for several sliders. Looking at the wolfson I can see that you can mix just about everything so you can record phone calls while also playing soft piano music to _both_ sides for a very relaxing conversation (I _think_ that this is possible...) but still... David ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner audio channels
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 16:45 +0100, Vasco Névoa wrote: I think you're all missing the point. David's initial post is a breath of fresh air into a long debated but (AFAIK) non-resolved issue. Thanks! I deeply welcome his investigation into this subject, and support his questions (which I also would like to see answered). Although the issue of low playback volume is rather well controlled in our FRs, the issue of low recording volume for GSM transmission remains - with callers still complaining and going what? I didn't hear you... now and then, especially in (even slightly) noisy environments. The whole audio settings for GSM issue is _not_ cut and dried, in my view. I still have to go into frameworkd.conf every time I flash the phone and set the DSP to long-aec to avoid echo and sporadic audio clipping, as well as raising the volume in playback and mic in gsmhandset.state... and I'm still not satisfied with audio quality. Exactly. So, can someone please humor David and me and explain this sidetone channel business? Yes, please! David ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Keyboard (delete/backspace, insert...)
On 8/7/09, glenn.mh...@gmail.com glenn.mh...@gmail.com wrote: If you catched the proper notion you will think: Oh My God - I have been enlightened! From now on I will also remember to think about usability and not provide my end users with nerdy user interface stuff, e.g. some non-button like button! CLOSED, WONTFIX: UPSTREAM ;p That's only theme issue, and for me it was always obvious it's clickable, even with ASU theme, which has only black background on that place. And using Illume keyboard was discussed dozens times on maillist. It support gestures, so you don't need that button, and you even don't need backspace and space buttons. And Freerunner isn't for end users. It's for geeky and nerdy users, so usability in meaning i'm too stupid to know if it's button or not, i need something indicating that is on last place on our TODO list. There are a lot more important issues and features lacks at the moment, when they are fixed we can think on your usability... -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner audio channels
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 17:12 +0100, Al Johnson wrote: On Friday 07 August 2009, David Fokkema wrote: - Why exactly are FR's different while I've never heard of Nokia users needing to tweak mixer settings. Most phones have a simple volume up/down control, often a pair of buttons on the left side of the handset. They hide most of the functionality of the mixer chip which is fine so long as it what you want and what they chose to implement are the same. So far nobody has written a similarly simple volume control for the FR. I understand that, but let me explain exactly why I think nobody has written one, by describing an algorithm which you could use, according to the 'one' statefile and information in the wiki: Max out Mic2 Capture Volume (48), (almost) max out Mono Sidetone Playback Volume (12), adjust Mono Playback Volume (5) as needed. So this simple volume control script should only adjust (5). Sounds simple. However, on _my_ freerunner, this resulted in _severe_ clipping, and the connection was never silent when I didn't speak. That is, background noise was sufficiently amplified to inhibit noise reduction, even when (5) was so low I could just hear myself. Why? I don't know, maybe the waveform? I had severe clipping, so maybe... Reducing Mic2 (48) to its _lowest_ setting, in exact contradiction with the wiki, greatly enhanced audio quality. So, maybe that's why... When you think you've found something great, lots of people start complaining on the mailing list that your volume control just sucks. - Why does setting Mic2 Capture Volume to 0 _not_ (almost) mute the mic? Mic2 has four fixed gain settings of +12dB, +18dB, +24dB and +30dB which are represented by 0, 1, 2 and 3 in the alsa driver. Mute is not an option, though IIRC you could switch that amp off. See page 20 of the Wolfson datasheet. Ah, found it! Thanks for the pointer, excellent information. I'll read this during some more lunch breaks, ;-) - Why do we bypass the digital filters by using the sidetone path? The digital filters are for ADC and DAC which we aren't using in phone calls. We are passing analogue signals through to the Calypso which has its own filters, ADC and DAC. The only possibly useful bit there is the AGC/Noise Gate, but AFAIK nobody has managed to get it to do anything useful so far. Ah, I see. The 'nicer' diagram on the wiki, with all the alsa mixer setting names has packed the ADC and DACs and their (hidden) outputs into one black box. It is elaborated upon on the bottom of the page, but it was not clear to me, thanks. Apps which record the phone call, or play sound into the call, will be using the ADC and DAC, so will include the filter blocks. Makes sense. Remember that our use of the chip is not typical. Most would probably be using the digital voice interface to connect to their GSM chipset instead of using an analogue passthrough as we are. We use the voice interface for a digital connection to the bluetooth module instead. Couldn't we have used both? I mean, using the digital voice filters (they seem nice) _and_ using a high quality bluetooth interface? Maybe I misunderstand the wolfson docs (just browsing, ATM) but the wolfson seems to be designed for this (smartphone (with voice filters) + bluetooth). Thank you for your answers! Best regards, David ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Keyboard (delete/backspace, insert...)
At 21:30 +0200 07/08/09, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: On 8/7/09, glenn.mh...@gmail.com glenn.mh...@gmail.com wrote: If you catched the proper notion you will think: Oh My God - I have been enlightened! From now on I will also remember to think about usability and not provide my end users with nerdy user interface stuff, e.g. some non-button like button! CLOSED, WONTFIX: UPSTREAM ;p That's only theme issue, and for me it was always obvious it's clickable, even with ASU theme, which has only black background on that place. Good for you. And using Illume keyboard was discussed dozens times on maillist. And why might that be? The color? Usability? It support gestures, so you don't need that button, and you even don't need backspace and space buttons. I have tried that - results in characters just popping up many times instead... Do not bother it is just a silly usability issue. And Freerunner isn't for end users. It's for geeky and nerdy users I have been aware of that for a long time. , so usability in meaning i'm too stupid to know if it's button or not, i need something indicating that is on last place on our TODO list. Yes, I know there are more important things that need to be done. My excuse for focusing on usability was your answer. If you had answered more politely, I would not have focused on that. There are a lot more important issues and features lacks at the moment, when they are fixed we can think on your usability... It is not (only) my usability - everybody will benefit from it. Its purpose is not just to get the GUI look flashy. But then again I respect and of course understand the priority. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community /Glenn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Keyboard (delete/backspace, insert...)
On 8/7/09, glenn.mh...@gmail.com glenn.mh...@gmail.com wrote: It support gestures, so you don't need that button, and you even don't need backspace and space buttons. I have tried that - results in characters just popping up many times instead... Do not bother it is just a silly usability issue. That's probably because you're holding it at one place too long and zoom mode is activated. Just drag, don't hold, and it'll work... -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Unabel to SSH into Neo Freerunner
On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 09:56:04PM -0500, c_c wrote: It's been a little flaky for me too after the last two SHR-U updates. unplugging and re-plugging seems to work every 3rd plug or so. But doesn't last long. Had a tough time upgrading yesterday to latest SHR-U. Any Ideas? FWIW, of the following USB interfaces on my desktop system, the VIA one works reliably while the Intel one will always lose the link after anywhere between 1 second and 20-30 minutes - usually it lasts less than 2 minutes. 00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) 00:0d.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82x UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 62) -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner audio channels
+1 2009/8/8 Vasco Névoa vasco.ne...@sapo.pt I think you're all missing the point. David's initial post is a breath of fresh air into a long debated but (AFAIK) non-resolved issue. I deeply welcome his investigation into this subject, and support his questions (which I also would like to see answered). Although the issue of low playback volume is rather well controlled in our FRs, the issue of low recording volume for GSM transmission remains - with callers still complaining and going what? I didn't hear you... now and then, especially in (even slightly) noisy environments. The whole audio settings for GSM issue is _not_ cut and dried, in my view. I still have to go into frameworkd.conf every time I flash the phone and set the DSP to long-aec to avoid echo and sporadic audio clipping, as well as raising the volume in playback and mic in gsmhandset.state... and I'm still not satisfied with audio quality. So, can someone please humor David and me and explain this sidetone channel business? Thanks. Vasco. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[shr] illume keyboard problem when rotating screen
hi mates, i'm using shr-u every day updated ... danger is my hobby. i'm experiencing some problems when i rotate the screen: illume keyboard does not fit anymore and i cannot pop it out. if i disable then re-enable the keyboard all works then ... any idea? thanks d ps if i suspend then resume with screen rotated it's a disaster... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr] illume keyboard problem when rotating screen
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Davide Scainidsca...@gmail.com wrote: hi mates, i'm using shr-u every day updated ... danger is my hobby. i'm experiencing some problems when i rotate the screen: illume keyboard does not fit anymore and i cannot pop it out. thats not only a problem on the newest version. little things like that is why i switched to literki. now if only he would re-code the vibrate feature i would be super happy moko guy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neon! -- [Phone number scroll design]
Hi All, I think the scrolling action, in Neon, is perfect. Is there any possibility to implement this feature into Contacts/Message/Settings in SHR, which can be scrolled smoothly like Neon does? On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 15:05 +0200, Valery Febvre wrote: jeremy jozwik wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Marceltan...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello! I just want to praise Valery Febvre for her (? Sounds female to me... females are rare in here *g*) absolutely great picture viewer, namely Neon. yah, neon rocks. and its awesomely fast Marcel, Jeremy, Tschaka, thank you very much for your compliments about Neon and Podboy. Marcel: sorry I'm a guy ;-) -- Daniel.Li lida_m...@163.com PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neon! -- [Phone number scroll design]
Daniel.Li schrieb: Hi All, I think the scrolling action, in Neon, is perfect. Is there any possibility to implement this feature into Contacts/Message/Settings in SHR, which can be scrolled smoothly like Neon does? this depends mostly on the theme. contacts use etk tree (aswell as msgs) so edit etk theme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr] illume keyboard problem when rotating screen
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 04:44:40PM -0700, jeremy jozwik wrote: thats not only a problem on the newest version. little things like that is why i switched to literki. now if only he would re-code the vibrate feature i would be super happy moko guy Oh, man. Thank you so much for making mention of literki here. I didn't know about it before and my Openmoko world just got a whole lot better. This keyboard blows away anything I've tried yet. Nathan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Keyboard (delete/backspace, insert...)
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:57 PM, glenn.mh...@gmail.com wrote: At 21:30 +0200 07/08/09, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: [...] And Freerunner isn't for end users. It's for geeky and nerdy users With good software freerunner is for end users ;) [...] usability in meaning i'm too stupid to know if it's button or not, i need something indicating that is on last place on our TODO list. Yes, I know there are more important things that need to be done. My excuse for focusing on usability was your answer. If you had answered more politely, I would not have focused on that. There are a lot more important issues and features lacks at the moment, when they are fixed we can think on your usability... Code of conduct please, this is not a war, a nice example at: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/coc.xml Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Micro SD question
Hi all, I'm waiting for my FR (can't wait). I'm following the list and see some messages complaining about problems with some micro SD cards (like Kingston) I want your opinions about what memory should I buy. Does a Markvision one work correctly? Thanks /*** * Don't Worry...Be Linux * Cristian Gómez Alvarez * Ingeniero en Sistemas y Computación * Universidad de Caldas * Comunidad de Software Libre Manizales * IEEE/WIE Student Member * Linux User #463617 * Mi Blog: http://cristianpark.sehablalinux.com/ / ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Micro SD question
I've had no problems with my Trancend 8Gb on SHR, Hackable, or Android. On Aug 7, 2009, at 11:54 PM, Cristian Gómez wrote: Hi all, I'm waiting for my FR (can't wait). I'm following the list and see some messages complaining about problems with some micro SD cards (like Kingston) I want your opinions about what memory should I buy. Does a Markvision one work correctly? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Keyboard (delete/backspace, insert...)
Yes, its a well known usability issue and FR black mark. Find the directory where terminal.kbd lives and copy it over the top of the others - problem solved. BillK On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 21:57 +0200, glenn.mh...@gmail.com wrote: At 21:30 +0200 07/08/09, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: On 8/7/09, glenn.mh...@gmail.com glenn.mh...@gmail.com wrote: If you catched the proper notion you will think: Oh My God - I have been enlightened! From now on I will also remember to think about usability and not provide my end users with nerdy user interface stuff, e.g. some non-button like button! CLOSED, WONTFIX: UPSTREAM ;p ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr] illume keyboard problem when rotating screen
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 16:44 -0700, jeremy jozwik wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Davide Scainidsca...@gmail.com wrote: hi mates, i'm using shr-u every day updated ... danger is my hobby. i'm experiencing some problems when i rotate the screen: illume keyboard does not fit anymore and i cannot pop it out. thats not only a problem on the newest version. little things like that is why i switched to literki. now if only he would re-code the vibrate feature i would be super happy moko guy How did you get around apps popping up the illume keyboard? - if I try and use the wrench menus to turn the illume keybord off enlightenment starts segfaulting :( BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
