Re: [shr-u] first impressions
2009/9/10 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org I hate gestures, the potential of conflicts between them and apps is huge. Under your scenario, consider a drawing program... you will need an edit mode and gesture mode (think vi edit and command modes). Same for almost every graphical app, in fact... I can argue with you only if you install Litemoko, try your programs and name the ones that conflict with the gestures. Otherwise it's totally pointless. I hate when someone says this won't work without trying it. It kills any creativity. But I will check Litephone, if anyone can assure me it works at least as well as current shr-u as a phone :) I've been using it for over 5 weeks everyday. I'm glad not everyone shares your approach. Otherwise developers would be the only users of their apps. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Please add QT to feeds, was: libQTxml.so.4
Okay, I've finished my testing of Keepassx. Couldn't find any bugs and most everything worked as expected. There are some quirks though, and some obvious settings options that don't apply like minimize to tray and such but they don't seem to break the app even if applied. To be truly functional it would require some horizontal scroll bars in a couple places: namely, the settings dialog options (though if one has the desktop version it can be used as a reference for setting options), and most importantly the main accounts pane. Also for aesthetics it would be nice if the window title showed Keypassx instead of the path to the open DB, but that's not essential. Even the automatic DB locking after timeout worked which is nice in case you forget to close the app. The Autotype feature did NOT work as expected but I didn't play with it much. I'm sure it can be tweaked to select the appropriate window but I don't use that feature much. The copy username/password to clipboard options do work though so Autotype isn't essential. Is it possible that the new QT4 libraries broke my WiFi or was that something else? After upgrading every time I try to connect to the wifi it locks up my device and the aux light starts flashing red. Have to remove the batter to get up and running. How would I revert to the old QT4 to check that? Ron It's a bug that I reported to trolltech several months ago, fixed in 4.5.2, there is no hope actually to have that stuff in shr-feeds, waiting further for shr-import push to oe-dev. Anyway if you test keepassx and it works quite fine we may declare it usable and add it to the next Community Updates. Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[shr-u] wakeuptime, was Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?
Warren Baird schrieb: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Matthias Huber matthias.hu...@wollishausen.de mailto:matthias.hu...@wollishausen.de wrote: Hmmm it takes three rings until i can get the call (heear a ring and get a GREEN Button. Don't think, this is fast. Which distro? I used to have this problem with OM2008 - I missed a bunch of calls because of it and then switched to QTEI. I've since tried OM2009 and am now using SHR-U, without this issue. If I call myself from a land line using SHR-U, I see the screen turn on at exactly the same time as I hear the ring on the land-line, and the FR starts to ring before the first ring on the landline finishes. I don't have a stop-watch, but it certainly seems fast enough. Distro is shr-u, with all updates of yesterday ~17:00h GMT with my GREEN BUTTONS and my own Ringtone. What firmware do you use ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Please add QT to feeds, was: libQTxml.so.4
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Ronald Tallent r...@tallent.ws wrote: Okay, I've finished my testing of Keepassx. [...] Good! thanks ;) Is it possible that the new QT4 libraries broke my WiFi or was that something else? After upgrading every time I try to connect to the wifi it locks up my device and the aux light starts flashing red. Have to remove the batter to get up and running. How would I revert to the old QT4 to check that? I do not think qt4 may influence wifi (anyway there is a possibility if you use nwa as wifi manager, if this is the case before downgrading just opkg remove nwa opkg install nwa from the new feed). To revert you have to manually remove the qt libraries, change the feed to the older and reinstall the libs. Regards Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[shr-u] wakeuptime, was Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?
Today i did another test, because i patched qi with ghex for giving the kernel loglevel=0, and my result today (look at the bottom for version) was: ONE Ring until i get shr-todays slider to see. That is ok for me. On that there is the question: Why is qi delivered on the repo with debuglevel 4 ? Warren Baird schrieb: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Matthias Huber matthias.hu...@wollishausen.de mailto:matthias.hu...@wollishausen.de wrote: Hmmm it takes three rings until i can get the call (heear a ring and get a GREEN Button. Don't think, this is fast. Which distro? I used to have this problem with OM2008 - I missed a bunch of calls because of it and then switched to QTEI. I've since tried OM2009 and am now using SHR-U, without this issue. If I call myself from a land line using SHR-U, I see the screen turn on at exactly the same time as I hear the ring on the land-line, and the FR starts to ring before the first ring on the landline finishes. I don't have a stop-watch, but it certainly seems fast enough. Distro is shr-u, with all updates of yesterday ~17:00h GMT with my GREEN BUTTONS and my own Ringtone. What firmware do you use ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher - v 0.35 Release (inbuilt contacts, sms and phonelog)
Thank you for fixing thoses issues so fast. This new binary is really usable now! Another comment : when deleting a conversation, maybe you should ask for a confirmation : this button is quite small and close to the other ones. And when deletion is confirmed, the conversation view should be close and the user should be back on the main conversation view. Thank you again.. You're close to the best messaging app available on the FR! -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-v-0-36-Release-UPDATED-inbuilt-contacts-sms-and-phonelog-tp3552019p3624425.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta2v5] WiFi quit working
Both distros have wifi-on/off buttons that give the necessary commands to turn wifi power off and on. Some time ago, they just did not work. I didn't do anything special, other than occasionally rebooting. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:33 AM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: when did it work the last time and what happend since then? i have no ideas about neovento or hackable (except knowing, the exist) -- what kernel do they use and how is wifi managed? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Atilla Filiz Eindhoven University of Technology Embedded Systems, Master's Programme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] first impressions
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 09:21:31AM +0800, W.Kenworthy wrote: On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 19:12 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 07:39:02PM +0200, arne anka wrote: Then where do you have any OK button? ok, it's called quit. And it's utterly useless, in fact I'm thinking of writing up a few small-screen usability recommendations for our friendly apps. One of them is: don't use quit/close/... buttons, they waste valuable eral estate and you can close the windown easily in an alternative way (panel, click on close). Rui Hooray - sense at last. Coming up with a user oriented interface, not a programmers idea of what he personally likes will be a great step forward. I like close buttons, but consistency is more important I think. And please, please get rid of those dumb sliders used where radio buttons are used :) A slider makes more sense (at least to me) than a radio button with two options :) Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:47:52PM +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: On Thursday 10 September 2009 23:23:46 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: On Thursday 10 September 2009 20:05:44 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: What is 'held'? slightly not straight-vertical? Held is the opposite of flat, i.e. everything that deviates from holding it +-5 degrees (or so). Err, that was written in a suboptimal way. Next try: Held is the opposite of flat, i.e. everything that deviates from laying flat on the table with a tilt of +-5 degrees (or so). Is the freerunner held or flat in the following situation, then? ++ / \ | | | (freerunner, standing on side) \ / ++ - (table from side) Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] first impressions
think. And please, please get rid of those dumb sliders used where radio buttons are used :) A slider makes more sense (at least to me) than a radio button with two options :) i think, he's talking about those slider-like toggle switches whith two states at all: slider left or slider right. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Contacts from Nokia N70 to opimd with PISI: no phone field
This got fixed. Will be in the next release. Vadim, Efimov wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 07:43:50 +0400, Nicola Mfb nicola@gmail.com wrote: Hi! I just tried to transfer the addressbook from my Nokia N70 to opimd. As PISI does not support obex/syncml via bt I used msynctool to sync with Evolution. Finally I transfered the evolution vcf exported file on the freerunner and used PISI to sync it with opimd. The result was that only sim contacts have the phone field. I tested that with opimd gui, cli utils and litephone. However it's not an opimd problem as using PISI to sync the same vcf with google contacts results in the same problem. PISI is 0.4.5, shr is unstable lite 08/08 updated and upgraded before trying pisi. Here some lines from the vcf file: BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:3.0 UID:pas-id-4A9F1EF50120 X-EVOLUTION-FILE-AS:\, FN: N:;;;; REV:20090627T221844Z TEL;TYPE=CELL:XX END:VCARD Regards Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Recently i tried to migrate my contacts too (via KDE Adressbook) and found that PISI export only FAX fields. I created few contacts in FR directly, and export it to vcf. PISI prefixed all numbers with VOICE flag: BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:3.0 FN:Vadim N:Efimov;Vadim;;; TEL;TYPE=CELL,VOICE:+71234567890 END:VCARD so, i add VOICE prefix to all fields and try again, it imported ok, except field what don't have TYPE flag (other number in my SE 810i) TYPE=VOICE also don't help... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Contacts from Nokia N70 to opimd with PISI: no phone field
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Michael Pilgermann kichka...@gmx.de wrote: This got fixed. Will be in the next release. Thanks! is it scheduled soon or should we try to build a dev version? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Contacts from Nokia N70 to opimd with PISI: no phone field
I think, I will release a bug fix version today; however, PISI is still not in the repos as I am heavily struggeling to set up a build environment here (for creating and testing bb file). So, I will have to release on opkg.org again. I hope, I get this build thing fixed soon (currently struggeling with some freetype Makefile issue :( ) Michael Nicola Mfb wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Michael Pilgermann kichka...@gmx.de wrote: This got fixed. Will be in the next release. Thanks! is it scheduled soon or should we try to build a dev version? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] first impressions
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:41:36AM +0200, arne anka wrote: think. And please, please get rid of those dumb sliders used where radio buttons are used :) A slider makes more sense (at least to me) than a radio button with two options :) i think, he's talking about those slider-like toggle switches whith two states at all: slider left or slider right. Yes, a radio button with two options, or if you like, a set of two radio buttons. (*) a ( ) b Or __ \ \ --- \ \_ | | Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] first impressions
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 08:51:08AM +0200, Michal Brzozowski wrote: 2009/9/10 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org I hate gestures, the potential of conflicts between them and apps is huge. Under your scenario, consider a drawing program... you will need an edit mode and gesture mode (think vi edit and command modes). Same for almost every graphical app, in fact... I can argue with you only if you install Litemoko, try your programs and name the ones that conflict with the gestures. Otherwise it's totally pointless. Not really. I hate when someone says this won't work without trying it. It kills any creativity. I didn't say this won't work I said the potential of conflicts is huge and named a clear example. And the usage of quotes in hate is intended to indicate *not*real* hate. Just as the usage of stars is used to boldify text :) But I will check Litephone, if anyone can assure me it works at least as well as current shr-u as a phone :) I've been using it for over 5 weeks everyday. I'm glad not everyone shares your approach. Otherwise developers would be the only users of their apps. Don't be oversensitive :) Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] first impressions
Yes, a radio button with two options, or if you like, a set of two radio buttons. (*) a ( ) b would be a checkbox: [ ] while radiobuttons are to be used with a number 1, of which only one can be checked (which means, for every state you need +1 radiobutton), checkboxes can be used solitary and have two states. by convention radiobuttons are round and checkboxes square, to make them easy distinguishable. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko images V9
Kahless wrote: The only thing that doesn't really work is Bluetooth. ATM it seems to survive suspend/resume and my Headset is identified and paired. But QtMoko doesn't use it while phoning. I can hear a small buzz (like phone without signal) but it doesn't work, even when i switch to bluetooth Headset via Options in the lower left. Are there any plans to fix that in the future (even when QtMoko v9 is the last one)? Hi Sascha, thanks for kind words :) As for bt - i am going to buy bluetooth headset so i will try to make this working. I cant promise when it will be done though. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] first impressions
2009/9/11 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 08:51:08AM +0200, Michal Brzozowski wrote: 2009/9/10 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org I hate gestures, the potential of conflicts between them and apps is huge. Under your scenario, consider a drawing program... you will need an edit mode and gesture mode (think vi edit and command modes). Same for almost every graphical app, in fact... I can argue with you only if you install Litemoko, try your programs and name the ones that conflict with the gestures. Otherwise it's totally pointless. Not really. I hate when someone says this won't work without trying it. It kills any creativity. I didn't say this won't work I said the potential of conflicts is huge and named a clear example. Ok. You are speaking about a potential theoretical conflict with some apps. Whereas I've used this software for a month with most popular programs for the Om, including tangogps, omgps, web browser, terminal (with text selection), etc, and saw no conflicts. Ok, you named one theoretical example, but I'm a practical guy you know :-) Try your favorite programs and tell me if any of them conflicts, then we can talk. Don't be oversensitive :) Write a program that you really like. Then I'll criticize it without even looking at it, and see how you react. I'm relaxed though, some people react much worse. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] first impressions
On Fri, 2009-09-11 at 10:35 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 09:21:31AM +0800, W.Kenworthy wrote: On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 19:12 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 07:39:02PM +0200, arne anka wrote: Then where do you have any OK button? ok, it's called quit. And it's utterly useless, in fact I'm thinking of writing up a few small-screen usability recommendations for our friendly apps. One of them is: don't use quit/close/... buttons, they waste valuable eral estate and you can close the windown easily in an alternative way (panel, click on close). Rui Hooray - sense at last. Coming up with a user oriented interface, not a programmers idea of what he personally likes will be a great step forward. I like close buttons, but consistency is more important I think. And please, please get rid of those dumb sliders used where radio buttons are used :) A slider makes more sense (at least to me) than a radio button with two options :) Rui Might be cultural preference perhaps? To me a slider means an analog value, on/off and similar are discrete, unconnected values so should be represented as such. Also, I cant remember any other HCI interface that uses sliders like this. I am also biased in that the slider designs used in shr dont work well - when using a finger they often require multiple swipes before they work, or you miss the active area all together - especially when moving and you are trying to set a slider while walking/carrying other items, ... Practical issues. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko images V9
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Radek Polak wrote: Kahless wrote: The only thing that doesn't really work is Bluetooth. ATM it seems to survive suspend/resume and my Headset is identified and paired. But QtMoko doesn't use it while phoning. I can hear a small buzz (like phone without signal) but it doesn't work, even when i switch to bluetooth Headset via Options in the lower left. Are there any plans to fix that in the future (even when QtMoko v9 is the last one)? Hi Sascha, thanks for kind words :) As for bt - i am going to buy bluetooth headset so i will try to make this working. I cant promise when it will be done though. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Im having some problems with V9 gprs, if it is always on then display freezes some time after giving pin-number. I expect it hangs when gprs gets connection. SSH still responds but /etc/init.d/qpe stop|start does not restart qte... kernel and rootfs are downloaded from http://activationrecord.net/radekp/openmoko/qtmoko/download/ and I think im using qi... (i think i need to update that as well) Only things i've done after reflash, was inserting gprs userpwd and switching it to always on. Otherwise it is a great image, thank you for that :) -- husku -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkqqMLAACgkQYntoxOJkGJKMgwCeNQrCYvyTCPu5kwJrNsP8tAzE HC4AoICYB/nxTh/5V+XrGHEBgby1LuS7 =Jx0q -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher - v 0.35 Release (inbuilt contacts, sms and phonelog)
Hi, KaZeR wrote: Thank you for fixing thoses issues so fast. You're Welcome :-) KaZeR wrote: when deleting a conversation, maybe you should ask for a confirmation Ok. Will add that. KaZeR wrote: when deletion is confirmed, the conversation view should be close and the user should be back on the main conversation view. Will do that too. KaZeR wrote: Thank you again.. You're close to the best messaging app available on the FR! Well, I always wanted a sms app that organised things for me. This one is going well in my opinion too. Thanks for all the testing and the ideas. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-v-0-36-Release-UPDATED-inbuilt-contacts-sms-and-phonelog-tp3552019p3625139.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests and personality /in person/?
standard life and geek life are not so incompatible you only have to forget about sleep :P a married with a daughter geek and posible one/two more to come in short :) 2009/9/11 roguem...@roguewrt.org: On 11/09/2009 3:20 PM, ri...@happyleptic.org wrote: Keep beeing happy and stay behind your computer. Thats what I should have done from the beginning. Undoubtly a computer is a better person to live with. Be prepared to turn mad around the age of 30, though. Or inversely go insane from having so little free time to dedicate to your passion. Don't forget to add another maintenance checklist to action daily! :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] first impressions
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:55:12PM +0200, Michal Brzozowski wrote: 2009/9/11 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 08:51:08AM +0200, Michal Brzozowski wrote: 2009/9/10 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org I hate gestures, the potential of conflicts between them and apps is huge. Under your scenario, consider a drawing program... you will need an edit mode and gesture mode (think vi edit and command modes). Same for almost every graphical app, in fact... I can argue with you only if you install Litemoko, try your programs and name the ones that conflict with the gestures. Otherwise it's totally pointless. Not really. I hate when someone says this won't work without trying it. It kills any creativity. I didn't say this won't work I said the potential of conflicts is huge and named a clear example. Ok. You are speaking about a potential theoretical conflict with some apps. Whereas I've used this software for a month with most popular programs for the Om, including tangogps, omgps, web browser, terminal (with text selection), etc, and saw no conflicts. Ok, you named one theoretical example, but I'm a practical guy you know :-) Try your favorite programs and tell me if any of them conflicts, then we can talk. I will r...@om-gta02 ~/lite $ ls -laF drwxr-xr-x5 root root 4096 Sep 11 12:25 ./ drwxr-xr-x 24 root root 4096 Sep 11 12:25 ../ drwxr-xr-x2 root root 4096 Sep 11 12:21 backup/ -rwxr-xr-x1 root root 145 Sep 11 12:23 golite* -rwxr-xr-x1 root root 125 Sep 11 12:23 goshr* drwxr-xr-x2 root root 4096 Sep 11 12:19 moko/ drwxr-xr-x2 root root 4096 Sep 11 12:17 phone/ r...@om-gta02 ~/lite $ cat golite cp /home/root/lite/moko/Xsession /home/root/.Xsession mv /etc/init.d/ophonekitd /home/root/lite/backup/ nohup /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart r...@om-gta02 ~/lite $ cat goshr rm /home/root/.Xsession mv /home/root/lite/backup/ophonekitd /etc/init.d/ophonekitd nohup /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
idea of a openmoko-community-foundation
hello all, i had just a little idea of a little foundation for the developers on openmoko. i think, there are lot of peobles who could use the sw which is written from less peobles. so the idea is to make donations on a account and the peobles, who spend it, could say, as example, if radek needs a new bluetooth-headset: yes, we spend it from the account. or if the openmoko from dos1 is crashing (on hardware-site), yeah, we pay the reperature. may i'm wrong, but as i know, these peobles work fully for free. so i think, it would be ok to spend them the hardware at least which they need to develop. because we could have a profit on the better software! i think, we could coordinate this over the www and look for a fair system. just one problem: does someone know how we could make the account so, that no one could take all the money and go aways? would someone help, to build something up? i think, if 20 peobles spend 10 dollars in a month, it would help for much things (and this isn't so much, i think). greets ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation
On Friday 11 September 2009 11:38:58 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:47:52PM +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: On Thursday 10 September 2009 23:23:46 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: On Thursday 10 September 2009 20:05:44 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: What is 'held'? slightly not straight-vertical? Held is the opposite of flat, i.e. everything that deviates from holding it +-5 degrees (or so). Err, that was written in a suboptimal way. Next try: Held is the opposite of flat, i.e. everything that deviates from laying flat on the table with a tilt of +-5 degrees (or so). Is the freerunner held or flat in the following situation, then? ++ / \ | | | (freerunner, standing on side) \ / ++ - (table from side) That would be 'held'. Nice ASCII art. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests and personality /in person/?
Am Freitag, 11. September 2009 13.21:18 schrieb David Reyes Samblas Martinez: standard life and geek life are not so incompatible you only have to forget about sleep :P a married with a daughter geek and posible one/two more to come in short :) yeah, it works, but i understand the whish of a geek-girlfriend (hope i doesn't understand it wrong, i just flow over te text).. as example: i was tuning up the computer of my girlfriend one night, i was working on this from 00:00 until 3:00 and ask her next day if it's faster now.. she doesn't know, because it's not so important for her.. damn :p for some things like that, a geeky-girlfriend who's said wait, i started a benchmark or have you try to set the sse3-flags would be nice sometimes :p ...but it's also nice like it is... :) 2009/9/11 roguem...@roguewrt.org: On 11/09/2009 3:20 PM, ri...@happyleptic.org wrote: Keep beeing happy and stay behind your computer. Thats what I should have done from the beginning. Undoubtly a computer is a better person to live with. Be prepared to turn mad around the age of 30, though. Or inversely go insane from having so little free time to dedicate to your passion. Don't forget to add another maintenance checklist to action daily! :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Contacts from Nokia N70 to opimd with PISI: no phone field
Fixed. In configuration file user can choose whether to auto-prefix tel: ... Will be in upcoming release. Michael Pilgermann wrote: Hi, although, this is not the standard way of storing phone numbers; I filed a bug to address this issue (as I do not want to start this discussion again). There will be another option in the config file for opimd PIM sources with the next release, which shall indicate whether to prefix phone numbers automatically in opimd when syncing. Michael Original-Nachricht Datum: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 16:15:45 +0200 Von: Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com An: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: Contacts from Nokia N70 to opimd with PISI: no phone field On 9/7/09, Vadim, Efimov eva...@evadim.ru wrote: On Sun, 06 Sep 2009 00:05:42 +0400, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com wrote: In opimd. I can't query it via opimd-cli (console not properly localized), in opimd-contacts i see: Work phone Fax phone Cell phone Home phone After i click edit save via GUI - small mobile phone icon appear: So it means PISI isn't adding tel: prefix to field values, which is wrong :P http://gallery.evadim.ru/d/435-1/opimd-contcts-screen.png Also, i can't search in opimd-contacts contacts with russian names, even by phone number, but this another story... opimd-contacts isn't supposed to be phone suite. Patches are welcome, but I won't work on such things by myself, sorry (unless they are opimd problems, not opimd-utils). -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] first impressions
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:27:41PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Ok, you named one theoretical example, but I'm a practical guy you know :-) Try your favorite programs and tell me if any of them conflicts, then we can talk. I will r...@om-gta02 ~/lite $ ls -laF drwxr-xr-x5 root root 4096 Sep 11 12:25 ./ drwxr-xr-x 24 root root 4096 Sep 11 12:25 ../ drwxr-xr-x2 root root 4096 Sep 11 12:21 backup/ -rwxr-xr-x1 root root 145 Sep 11 12:23 golite* -rwxr-xr-x1 root root 125 Sep 11 12:23 goshr* drwxr-xr-x2 root root 4096 Sep 11 12:19 moko/ drwxr-xr-x2 root root 4096 Sep 11 12:17 phone/ r...@om-gta02 ~/lite $ cat golite cp /home/root/lite/moko/Xsession /home/root/.Xsession mv /etc/init.d/ophonekitd /home/root/lite/backup/ nohup /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart r...@om-gta02 ~/lite $ cat goshr rm /home/root/.Xsession mv /home/root/lite/backup/ophonekitd /etc/init.d/ophonekitd nohup /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart ophonekitd isn't started like your instructions anymore, I adapted my go* scripts in order to correct it, though. However, it doens't seem stable enough for me to try out of a controllable environment, so I'm back to shr-u as I have to go out in the afternoon, but I'll try again later and try to give you a more detailed report :) Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 01:39:48PM +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: On Friday 11 September 2009 11:38:58 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:47:52PM +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: On Thursday 10 September 2009 23:23:46 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: On Thursday 10 September 2009 20:05:44 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: What is 'held'? slightly not straight-vertical? Held is the opposite of flat, i.e. everything that deviates from holding it +-5 degrees (or so). Err, that was written in a suboptimal way. Next try: Held is the opposite of flat, i.e. everything that deviates from laying flat on the table with a tilt of +-5 degrees (or so). Is the freerunner held or flat in the following situation, then? ++ / \ | | | (freerunner, standing on side) \ / ++ - (table from side) That would be 'held'. Nice ASCII art. hehe :) Well, that wouldn't be really held then, which would mean that some more exceptions to held are needed? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta2v5] WiFi quit working
This may sound weird - but try suspending and unsuspending a few times. For a while with shr-u I'd see that there was no eth0 device, and that enabling it failed, but after suspending and unsuspending a few times it'd come back... If that fails, I'd suggest trying out shr-u - recently wifi has been a bit more reliable for me. good luck! On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 4:44 AM, Atilla Filiz atilla.fi...@gmail.comwrote: Both distros have wifi-on/off buttons that give the necessary commands to turn wifi power off and on. Some time ago, they just did not work. I didn't do anything special, other than occasionally rebooting. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:33 AM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: when did it work the last time and what happend since then? i have no ideas about neovento or hackable (except knowing, the exist) -- what kernel do they use and how is wifi managed? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Atilla Filiz Eindhoven University of Technology Embedded Systems, Master's Programme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta2v5] WiFi quit working
hmm, it magically started working again, after two weeks. Suspending might have worked, i really haven't any idea. Thanks for the suggestion. On 9/11/09, Warren Baird wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca wrote: This may sound weird - but try suspending and unsuspending a few times. For a while with shr-u I'd see that there was no eth0 device, and that enabling it failed, but after suspending and unsuspending a few times it'd come back... If that fails, I'd suggest trying out shr-u - recently wifi has been a bit more reliable for me. good luck! On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 4:44 AM, Atilla Filiz atilla.fi...@gmail.comwrote: Both distros have wifi-on/off buttons that give the necessary commands to turn wifi power off and on. Some time ago, they just did not work. I didn't do anything special, other than occasionally rebooting. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:33 AM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: when did it work the last time and what happend since then? i have no ideas about neovento or hackable (except knowing, the exist) -- what kernel do they use and how is wifi managed? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Atilla Filiz Eindhoven University of Technology Embedded Systems, Master's Programme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca -- - Atilla Filiz Eindhoven University of Technology Embedded Systems, Master's Programme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation
Yes and no, I don't want to complicate the recognition algorithm just to specify every possible combination -- it's important to find a simple mapping, otherwise we lose the abstraction and are back to square one. If though you can find me a usecase why we should differenciate between 'held' and 'standing', then I'm all ears ;) Cheers, :M: Am 11.09.2009 um 13:52 schrieb Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 01:39:48PM +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: On Friday 11 September 2009 11:38:58 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:47:52PM +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: On Thursday 10 September 2009 23:23:46 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: On Thursday 10 September 2009 20:05:44 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: What is 'held'? slightly not straight-vertical? Held is the opposite of flat, i.e. everything that deviates from holding it +-5 degrees (or so). Err, that was written in a suboptimal way. Next try: Held is the opposite of flat, i.e. everything that deviates from laying flat on the table with a tilt of +-5 degrees (or so). Is the freerunner held or flat in the following situation, then? ++ / \ | | | (freerunner, standing on side) \ / ++ - (table from side) That would be 'held'. Nice ASCII art. hehe :) Well, that wouldn't be really held then, which would mean that some more exceptions to held are needed? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko images V9
Radek Polak schrieb: Hi Sascha, thanks for kind words :) As for bt - i am going to buy bluetooth headset so i will try to make this working. I cant promise when it will be done though. Regards Radek Hi Radek, hell yeah, that sounds promising! Again, thanks a lot for your work don't let it die! :) Sascha ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] first impressions
On Friday 11 September 2009, William Kenworthy wrote: On Fri, 2009-09-11 at 10:35 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 09:21:31AM +0800, W.Kenworthy wrote: On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 19:12 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 07:39:02PM +0200, arne anka wrote: Then where do you have any OK button? ok, it's called quit. And it's utterly useless, in fact I'm thinking of writing up a few small-screen usability recommendations for our friendly apps. One of them is: don't use quit/close/... buttons, they waste valuable eral estate and you can close the windown easily in an alternative way (panel, click on close). Rui Hooray - sense at last. Coming up with a user oriented interface, not a programmers idea of what he personally likes will be a great step forward. I like close buttons, but consistency is more important I think. And please, please get rid of those dumb sliders used where radio buttons are used :) A slider makes more sense (at least to me) than a radio button with two options :) Rui Might be cultural preference perhaps? To me a slider means an analog value, on/off and similar are discrete, unconnected values so should be represented as such. I remember physical slider switches with 2 to 4 discrete positions, so perhaps it seems more natural to me. The same goes for 3-position toggle switches and multi-stop rotary switches. Also, I cant remember any other HCI interface that uses sliders like this. The iPhone is the obvious one, though I first remember seeing them on audio software that was trying to look like a physical effects unit and/or synth. I am also biased in that the slider designs used in shr dont work well - when using a finger they often require multiple swipes before they work, or you miss the active area all together - especially when moving and you are trying to set a slider while walking/carrying other items, ... Are you thinking of the buggy wifi switch in shr-settings? You'd probably be just as upset with the same code on a checkbox when it refused to change state when you clicked on it. I suspect the intent behind the slider is to get around the unintended button clicks when trying to drag-scroll, but it may just have been cosmetic. I don't have the same trouble you do operating them in the absence of bugs, but that comes down to preference, habit and finger size I guess. I don't know if E is sufficiently flexible to theme around the problem. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko images V9
Radek,
Yesterday I found and repaired a little bug in the 'Web Browser': when
entering a password-field the keyboard doesn't show, I've created al little
patch in:
This is the git diff:
diff --git
a/qtopiacore/qt/src/3rdparty/webkit/WebCore/html/HTMLInputElement.cpp
b/qtopiacore/qt/src/3rdparty/webkit/WebCore/html/HTMLInputElement.cpp
index dae0be5..671e0f6 100644
--- a/qtopiacore/qt/src/3rdparty/webkit/WebCore/html/HTMLInputElement.cpp
+++ b/qtopiacore/qt/src/3rdparty/webkit/WebCore/html/HTMLInputElement.cpp
@@ -243,7 +243,7 @@ void HTMLInputElement::aboutToUnload()
bool HTMLInputElement::shouldUseInputMethod() const
{
-return m_type == TEXT || m_type == SEARCH || m_type == ISINDEX;
+return m_type == TEXT || m_type == SEARCH || m_type == ISINDEX ||
m_type == PASSWORD;
}
void HTMLInputElement::dispatchFocusEvent()
Can you apply the fix to your repository or is there a way I can apply
myself?
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Re: [shr-u] wakeuptime, was Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?
On Friday 11 September 2009, Matthias Huber wrote: Today i did another test, because i patched qi with ghex for giving the kernel loglevel=0, and my result today (look at the bottom for version) was: ONE Ring until i get shr-todays slider to see. That is ok for me. On that there is the question: Why is qi delivered on the repo with debuglevel 4 ? Because it's a fair tradeoff between speed and getting some debug information if something goes wrong? If booting from SD the loglevel is easily changed anyway. It would be just as easy for NAND if Qi could read jffs2. You can also change the loglevel at runtime as suggested in the shr tweak/customisation guides. This will be just as effective for resume, but not as fast for boot. Warren Baird schrieb: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Matthias Huber matthias.hu...@wollishausen.de mailto:matthias.hu...@wollishausen.de wrote: Hmmm it takes three rings until i can get the call (heear a ring and get a GREEN Button. Don't think, this is fast. Which distro? I used to have this problem with OM2008 - I missed a bunch of calls because of it and then switched to QTEI. I've since tried OM2009 and am now using SHR-U, without this issue. If I call myself from a land line using SHR-U, I see the screen turn on at exactly the same time as I hear the ring on the land-line, and the FR starts to ring before the first ring on the landline finishes. I don't have a stop-watch, but it certainly seems fast enough. Distro is shr-u, with all updates of yesterday ~17:00h GMT with my GREEN BUTTONS and my own Ringtone. What firmware do you use ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Need a SIP based phone application
I'm still struggling with the Wifi side of the Openmoko Neo but I'm sure all of the problems are resolvable. However I well ultimately need a SIP phone application in the end. I'm running the SHR-unstable load and I'm wondering if anyone knows of such an application? I was using the linphone application when I was using the OM-2008 distro but that distro has been discontinued and the linphone app is no longer available. The URL used to download linphone no longer exists. Cheers!! -- To Err is human, to forgive is NOT company policy. John Dowd S/W Contractor email: jdowd at gmail dot com Cell: (613)316-7884 Home: (613)234-7884 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] wakeuptime, was Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?
Al Johnson schrieb: On Friday 11 September 2009, Matthias Huber wrote: Today i did another test, because i patched qi with ghex for giving the kernel loglevel=0, and my result today (look at the bottom for version) was: ONE Ring until i get shr-todays slider to see. That is ok for me. On that there is the question: Why is qi delivered on the repo with debuglevel 4 ? Because it's a fair tradeoff between speed and getting some debug information if something goes wrong? If booting from SD the loglevel is easily changed anyway. It would be just as easy for NAND if Qi could read jffs2. You can also change the loglevel at runtime as suggested in the shr tweak/customisation guides. This will be just as effective for resume, but not as fast for boot. i stated the question as advicatus diaboli for the normal user, which wants to use the phone as daily. and i suggest to change qi, because, as you said above, it is: 1. easily chanchable upon runtime for the developer 2. faster for the normal daily use 3. qi can with power-key hold give you a loglevel of 8. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Web site promoting open hardware?
Short answer as an end user: because I want to be able to fix or modify stuff I buy, not rely on the whim of the manufacturer. Longer answer: Products are rarely exactly what I want, and I'm not afraid to modify them to get what I'm after. Access to mechanical and electrical dessign documentation makes this both easier and more effective. With software-based products the openness is more necessary. My TV contains some GPL software, but nobody has worked out how to build a complete firmware image, let alone load one, so I can't readily fix any of the niggles or add features. Also I hate arbitrary limitations and designed obsolescence. Phones are a good example; why should I need to buy a new handset to get a feature the existing hardware is capable of, and supposed to have, but doesn't because of botched firmware the manufacturer has decided not to fix? Why is this simple software feature only available on the 'pro' model at 3 times the price, or not available at all? Finally I find the faults somehow less irritating when I know I could fix them if I could be bothered. Small scale commercial answer: because custom software on an existing open platform can make small market niches commercially viable when they wouldn't be otherwise. On Friday 11 September 2009, Wolfgang Spraul wrote: Stefan, what would drive someone to this site/list and what are the criteria people are looking for? I think at some point I will start to work on a table of 'hackable' hardware, because at least technically it's relatively easy to pin down features: Reflashable, unbrickable, all drivers in source form or some in binary, toolchain open, schematics/datasheets/layout/BOM published or not, etc. But this is only interesting to hackers, not normal users. What if a company supports the free software scene covertly (quite a few do because the reason they fear openness are patents, not hackers)? Who should 'rank' or 'qualify' hardware makers for how 'open' they are? I think we first need to define why someone is looking for openness, and what they expect from it. Can you explain your motives? What makes you interested in Openmoko, Qi, OpenPandora, etc.? Thanks, Wolfgang On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:00:49AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list. Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centralizes this info to try and make it easier for openness-conscious consumers to find appropriate hardware? Of course, there are various notions of open hardware, so there might be parts of the site for hardware-hackers, for example, but I'm more interested in a web-site for end-users. Also it might include hardware that is not itself open source, but where the company states a clear commitment to Free Software principles. I.e. a site that links to things like Openmoko, Qi, AlwaysInnovating, maybe Lemote, OpenPandora, ... Any hint? Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
PISI 0.4.6 released
I just released another minor release (0.4.6) of PISI.
Mainly the bugs discussed here on the list were addressed.
New on top is the integration with SHR repository. The recipe was just
sent to the maintainers; hence, if you wait till tomorrow or so you
should be able to install / upgrade just by
opkg {upgrade|install} pisi
I like that :)
Syncml-Support is very much on the way. Just struggeling with some minor
problems - so 0.5 should be out very soon.
Michael
Michael Pilgermann wrote:
We just released PISI 0.4.
The major enhancement this time is opimd support for contacts.
Supported Contacts data sources:
- SIM via DBUS (e.g. SHR)
- QTopia address book (e.g. OM 2008.12)
- LDAP (read only)
- VCF files (local / webdav)
- Google contacts
- OPIMD
Supported Calendar data sources:
- Google calendars
- ICalendar files (local / webdav)
Get your copy here:
http://www.opkg.org/package_191.html
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Re: Contacts from Nokia N70 to opimd with PISI: no phone field
On 9/11/09, Michael Pilgermann kichka...@gmx.de wrote: Fixed. In configuration file user can choose whether to auto-prefix tel: ... And every user should choose that (it even should be by default), as not doing that with GSM backends is just plain wrong :P -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Contacts from Nokia N70 to opimd with PISI: no phone field
In fact, it even is default already. However, it is not the standard way of storing phone number information (if you look around at other backends) - so I decided to leave it up to the user. Michael Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: On 9/11/09, Michael Pilgermann kichka...@gmx.de wrote: Fixed. In configuration file user can choose whether to auto-prefix tel: ... And every user should choose that (it even should be by default), as not doing that with GSM backends is just plain wrong :P ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Contacts from Nokia N70 to opimd with PISI: no phone field
On 9/11/09, Michael Pilgermann kichka...@gmx.de wrote: In fact, it even is default already. Nice :) However, it is not the standard way of storing phone number information (if you look around at other backends) - so I decided to leave it up to the user. Other backends? I'm opimd developer, and in opimd that's standard which apps should follow. You can do what you want in other databases and datasources, but in opimd you have to use that, as opimd is designed to bring apps support of the same data. When you won't follow standards, then you take risk for having stored incompatible data, unusable in some apps. BTW, someone somewhere on ml pointed to some RFC document about URIs, and tel: was the correct, standard one for phone numbers. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko images V9
ghislain wrote: Radek, Yesterday I found and repaired a little bug in the 'Web Browser Great, thanks! Can you apply the fix to your repository or is there a way I can apply myself? I have applied it on my repo. If you are going to contribute more, you can fork my repo on github and i can pull changes from you. But sending patches with mail is fine too. Btw can you send me your whole name, so that i can add it to credits? Thanks Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Contacts from Nokia N70 to opimd with PISI: no phone field
I was not talking about OPIMD in particular but storing phone information in general ... I understand that you are opimd developer and that you have decided about the implementation (in contrast to standard) ... I totally accept that and that's why I applied this change to the application. So long Michael Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: On 9/11/09, Michael Pilgermann kichka...@gmx.de wrote: In fact, it even is default already. Nice :) However, it is not the standard way of storing phone number information (if you look around at other backends) - so I decided to leave it up to the user. Other backends? I'm opimd developer, and in opimd that's standard which apps should follow. You can do what you want in other databases and datasources, but in opimd you have to use that, as opimd is designed to bring apps support of the same data. When you won't follow standards, then you take risk for having stored incompatible data, unusable in some apps. BTW, someone somewhere on ml pointed to some RFC document about URIs, and tel: was the correct, standard one for phone numbers. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Contacts from Nokia N70 to opimd with PISI: no phone field
On 9/11/09, Michael Pilgermann kichka...@gmx.de wrote: I was not talking about OPIMD in particular but storing phone information in general ... I understand that you are opimd developer and that you have decided about the implementation (in contrast to standard) ... I totally accept that and that's why I applied this change to the application. So long Michael I just can't understand how other datasources can influence on way of storing data in opimd. But i think we should end topic, as it's fixed now ;) And thanks again for your work at opimd support :) PS. http://www.rfc-archive.org/getrfc.php?rfc=3966 -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] first impressions
On 9/11/09, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: On Friday 11 September 2009, William Kenworthy wrote: On Fri, 2009-09-11 at 10:35 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 09:21:31AM +0800, W.Kenworthy wrote: On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 19:12 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 07:39:02PM +0200, arne anka wrote: Then where do you have any OK button? ok, it's called quit. And it's utterly useless, in fact I'm thinking of writing up a few small-screen usability recommendations for our friendly apps. One of them is: don't use quit/close/... buttons, they waste valuable eral estate and you can close the windown easily in an alternative way (panel, click on close). Rui Hooray - sense at last. Coming up with a user oriented interface, not a programmers idea of what he personally likes will be a great step forward. I like close buttons, but consistency is more important I think. And please, please get rid of those dumb sliders used where radio buttons are used :) A slider makes more sense (at least to me) than a radio button with two options :) Rui Might be cultural preference perhaps? To me a slider means an analog value, on/off and similar are discrete, unconnected values so should be represented as such. I remember physical slider switches with 2 to 4 discrete positions, so perhaps it seems more natural to me. The same goes for 3-position toggle switches and multi-stop rotary switches. Also, I cant remember any other HCI interface that uses sliders like this. The iPhone is the obvious one, though I first remember seeing them on audio software that was trying to look like a physical effects unit and/or synth. I am also biased in that the slider designs used in shr dont work well - when using a finger they often require multiple swipes before they work, or you miss the active area all together - especially when moving and you are trying to set a slider while walking/carrying other items, ... Are you thinking of the buggy wifi switch in shr-settings? You'd probably be just as upset with the same code on a checkbox when it refused to change state when you clicked on it. I suspect the intent behind the slider is to get around the unintended button clicks when trying to drag-scroll, but it may just have been cosmetic. I don't have the same trouble you do operating them in the absence of bugs, but that comes down to preference, habit and finger size I guess. I don't know if E is sufficiently flexible to theme around the problem. It is. And also you can setup finger size directly from SHR Settings ;) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests and personality /in person/?
My personal experience as a soially disfunctional geek is typically avoiding people just to avoid awkward greetings with people I barely know, but have nothing to say besides simple hello. Moreover, I hate socializing on IRC or MMORPGs , talking with random people I will never meet. Mailing lists and newsservers are great as I can properly write(and receive back properly written) messages to(from) people I share common interests(OM group is not random people). Keep beeing happy and stay behind your computer. Thats what I should have done from the beginning. I don't agree with this. Life is full of adventures, and trying to speak with girls, and failing big time is one of them. I have a small number of close friends, and all the rest of my peers are either people I know through them or people I work with. I met my girlfriend at the university, she's not as geeky as me but we have small set of common interests(engineering, science fiction, technology ...). She was one of my friend's classmates. I was so shy that I told her I like her by typing on my cell phone and making her read it. And guess what, it worked! We are together for 7 years now. So go ahead and live your adventure, get your heart broken, repair it, and get it broken again. PS: I like off topic messages in groups like these as long as they are not very common and properly marked as OT. -- - Atilla Filiz Eindhoven University of Technology Embedded Systems, Master's Programme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: PISI 0.4.6 released
On Friday 11 September 2009 12:34:51 pm Michael Pilgermann wrote:
I just released another minor release (0.4.6) of PISI.
Mainly the bugs discussed here on the list were addressed.
New on top is the integration with SHR repository. The recipe was just
sent to the maintainers; hence, if you wait till tomorrow or so you
should be able to install / upgrade just by
opkg {upgrade|install} pisi
I like that :)
Syncml-Support is very much on the way. Just struggeling with some minor
problems - so 0.5 should be out very soon.
Michael
Is the problem with syncing calendars with recurring events on Google Calendar
addressed with this release?
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Re: Litephone 0.1
Hello Vikas, no you are not alone. I could reproduce this and fixed it in git. Kind regards, Christof On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 02:03:04AM +0530, Vikas Saurabh wrote: If you find any bugs or have feature requests, just report them on www.litephone.org I am using SHR-U but for litephone had always been crashing on bootup. I have already filed a bug [1] for this. Was wondering if I am the only one facing the issue??? --Vikas [1]: http://www.litephone.org/ticket/2 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community pgp7ZQT90qYUx.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Contacts from Nokia N70 to opimd with PISI: no phone field
As you want to end the topic - just a very last comment on it: I never asked for any changes on opimd storing - all I said was that it is not using the widely used way of handling phone information (and same time, I was implementing a way to still cope with it). But I totally agree that we can use our time for more productive things than discussing here ;) ... so have a nice weekend ... PS: The RFC describes format of phone URIs rather than phone numbers. Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: On 9/11/09, Michael Pilgermann kichka...@gmx.de wrote: I was not talking about OPIMD in particular but storing phone information in general ... I understand that you are opimd developer and that you have decided about the implementation (in contrast to standard) ... I totally accept that and that's why I applied this change to the application. So long Michael I just can't understand how other datasources can influence on way of storing data in opimd. But i think we should end topic, as it's fixed now ;) And thanks again for your work at opimd support :) PS. http://www.rfc-archive.org/getrfc.php?rfc=3966 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: PISI 0.4.6 released
Adam,
I am afraid; this issue has not yet been addressed. (but it is filed as
a bug - so I am going to address this in near future).
Michael
Adam Jimerson wrote:
On Friday 11 September 2009 12:34:51 pm Michael Pilgermann wrote:
I just released another minor release (0.4.6) of PISI.
Mainly the bugs discussed here on the list were addressed.
New on top is the integration with SHR repository. The recipe was just
sent to the maintainers; hence, if you wait till tomorrow or so you
should be able to install / upgrade just by
opkg {upgrade|install} pisi
I like that :)
Syncml-Support is very much on the way. Just struggeling with some minor
problems - so 0.5 should be out very soon.
Michael
Is the problem with syncing calendars with recurring events on Google
Calendar
addressed with this release?
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Re: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests and personality /in person/?
Too long a read. If your looking for a mate may I suggest okcupid.com I had quite a few dates off the site and it was free. I never found the one off that site but I could get maybe a date a week off the site and it was a lot of fun. I found my final date through a close personal friend just a months ago and this is the ideal way to meet someone. Learning to dance goes a long ways with most ladies and is a lot of fun. It could also be a way to meet someone I had been dancing for 3 years and gone on a couple dates that I met while dancing. The magic words I found to get a date where somewhere along the lines Dinner on me and I invited them on a dinner date stating I have more fun meeting them in person and that body language speaks a lot. :-) Good luck On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Brolin Empey bro...@brolin.be wrote: Hello list, Like most of the members of this list (AFAICT from the first names I recognise as sex/gender-specific), I am male. I am 22 and still live with my parents. I have never lived away from my parents. I am planning to hire a support worker to help me live away from my parents (I have another meeting later today) because I continue to indefinitely defer trying to live away from my parents. I named my form of procrastination “priority inversion” because what is, in practical terms, my lowest priority, becomes my highest priority. For example, I choose to spend my free time playing with my computers, including my FreeRunner, instead of learning about human biology and/or nutrition, which will affect me every day of my life, and at least trying to live away from my parents. When I say I play with my computers, I do not mean gaming: I almost never play games anymore. Even when I decide I want to play a game again, I spend all of my time reading about games, viewing screenshots and videos, and trying to decide which of the endless games I should play (or rather, obtain if I do not already have a copy and make work on my PC) instead of actually playing a game. I feel like I am always overwhelmed and/or overloaded with information and stimulation in the Too Much Information Age. I always feel like the NET Effect is that there is Never Enough Time because time flies faster than ever because I am always overthinking, overwhelmed with overchoice, etc. I recognise my mind is a word and pattern recognition engine, which is constantly adding new stimulations/experiences to its database. I have Asperger’s Syndrome, but can function much better, at least in terms of interacting with people in person, than when I was in high school, for example. I used to often feel like I had social anxiety disorder because I would get so anxious and/or worried even when calling someone on the phone (on my parents’s landline because I did not have a cell phone until 2008) that I could not speak clearly enough for the person on the other end to understand me, so I would always have to repeat myself at least once for every turn of the conversation. I am a purist and have been called the most pedantic person in the world by Jamie Zawinski, of Lucid Emacs/XEmacs and Netscape/Mozilla fame. :) Imprecise usage and redundancy bothers me even if know what is meant from the context. For example, I am bothered by people mentioning a “standard” transmission in a vehicle (it is a manual transmission. Standard depends on the vehicle. Automatic is standard for some vehicles.), calling an LCD monitor (a flat panel) a “flat screen” (high-end CRTs have flat glass too!), common redundancies, such as PIN number, ATM machine, LCD display, people who assume all cars use crappy gasoline engines and use fuel-specific terms, such as gas station (it is a service station), gas tank (it is a fuel tank), gas pedal (it is an accellerator), gas pump (I have used a diesel pump at Shell that told me to “select octane” instead of “select ctane” (sp?) or “select fuel grade”. My car has a diesel, not gasoline, engine. I have been highly influenced by my father, Brian Empey. Brian is a Professional Engineer (Electrical Engineering). He founded Technical Solutions Inc. (Techsol) in 1996 with his second wife (my step-mom), Karen Empey (nee Schellenberg). Techsol is an embedded computer hardware company specialising in Linux on ARM architecture. I am very fortunate to be able to work at Techsol. I am a Linux + Windows System Administrator/Web master/IT person/general computer person. I think my responsibiles are more important than my title(s). I know I am very dependent on my parents, but at least I own my own car (which I bought from my dad), have a Class 7 driver’s licence (the Novice stage of the Graduated Licensing Program in British Columbia, Canada. I live in the Lower Mainland of British Columbia, Canada), my own credit union account, debit (Interac) card, MasterCard credit card, personal cheques (not checks!), which I almost never use (I think I have written a
Re: Need a SIP based phone application
twinkle http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Twinkle On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 4:27 PM, John Dowd jdowds...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still struggling with the Wifi side of the Openmoko Neo but I'm sure all of the problems are resolvable. However I well ultimately need a SIP phone application in the end. I'm running the SHR-unstable load and I'm wondering if anyone knows of such an application? I was using the linphone application when I was using the OM-2008 distro but that distro has been discontinued and the linphone app is no longer available. The URL used to download linphone no longer exists. Cheers!! -- To Err is human, to forgive is NOT company policy. John Dowd S/W Contractor email: jdowd at gmail dot com Cell: (613)316-7884 Home: (613)234-7884 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests and personality /in person/?
This site is completely free, worldwide, but mainly english speaking. Lots of fish of all ages and locations... http://www.plentyoffish.com/ Jeff Sadowski wrote: Too long a read. If your looking for a mate may I suggest okcupid.com I had quite a few dates off the site and it was free. I never found the one off that site but I could get maybe a date a week off the site and it was a lot of fun. I found my final date through a close personal friend just a months ago and this is the ideal way to meet someone. Learning to dance goes a long ways with most ladies and is a lot of fun. It could also be a way to meet someone I had been dancing for 3 years and gone on a couple dates that I met while dancing. The magic words I found to get a date where somewhere along the lines Dinner on me and I invited them on a dinner date stating I have more fun meeting them in person and that body language speaks a lot. :-) Good luck On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Brolin Empey bro...@brolin.be wrote: Hello list, Like most of the members of this list (AFAICT from the first names I recognise as sex/gender-specific), I am male. I am 22 and still live with my parents. I have never lived away from my parents. I am planning to hire a support worker to help me live away from my parents (I have another meeting later today) because I continue to indefinitely defer trying to live away from my parents. I named my form of procrastination “priority inversion” because what is, in practical terms, my lowest priority, becomes my highest priority. For example, I choose to spend my free time playing with my computers, including my FreeRunner, instead of learning about human biology and/or nutrition, which will affect me every day of my life, and at least trying to live away from my parents. When I say I play with my computers, I do not mean gaming: I almost never play games anymore. Even when I decide I want to play a game again, I spend all of my time reading about games, viewing screenshots and videos, and trying to decide which of the endless games I should play (or rather, obtain if I do not already have a copy and make work on my PC) instead of actually playing a game. I feel like I am always overwhelmed and/or overloaded with information and stimulation in the Too Much Information Age. I always feel like the NET Effect is that there is Never Enough Time because time flies faster than ever because I am always overthinking, overwhelmed with overchoice, etc. I recognise my mind is a word and pattern recognition engine, which is constantly adding new stimulations/experiences to its database. I have Asperger’s Syndrome, but can function much better, at least in terms of interacting with people in person, than when I was in high school, for example. I used to often feel like I had social anxiety disorder because I would get so anxious and/or worried even when calling someone on the phone (on my parents’s landline because I did not have a cell phone until 2008) that I could not speak clearly enough for the person on the other end to understand me, so I would always have to repeat myself at least once for every turn of the conversation. I am a purist and have been called the most pedantic person in the world by Jamie Zawinski, of Lucid Emacs/XEmacs and Netscape/Mozilla fame. :) Imprecise usage and redundancy bothers me even if know what is meant from the context. For example, I am bothered by people mentioning a “standard” transmission in a vehicle (it is a manual transmission. Standard depends on the vehicle. Automatic is standard for some vehicles.), calling an LCD monitor (a flat panel) a “flat screen” (high-end CRTs have flat glass too!), common redundancies, such as PIN number, ATM machine, LCD display, people who assume all cars use crappy gasoline engines and use fuel-specific terms, such as gas station (it is a service station), gas tank (it is a fuel tank), gas pedal (it is an accellerator), gas pump (I have used a diesel pump at Shell that told me to “select octane” instead of “select ctane” (sp?) or “select fuel grade”. My car has a diesel, not gasoline, engine. I have been highly influenced by my father, Brian Empey. Brian is a Professional Engineer (Electrical Engineering). He founded Technical Solutions Inc. (Techsol) in 1996 with his second wife (my step-mom), Karen Empey (nee Schellenberg). Techsol is an embedded computer hardware company specialising in Linux on ARM architecture. I am very fortunate to be able to work at Techsol. I am a Linux + Windows System Administrator/Web master/IT person/general computer person. I think my responsibiles are more important than my title(s). I know I am very dependent on my parents, but at least I own my own car (which I bought from my dad), have a Class 7 driver’s licence (the Novice stage of the Graduated Licensing Program in British Columbia, Canada. I live in the Lower Mainland of
Re: Web site promoting open hardware?
2009/9/11 Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca: While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list. Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centralizes this info to try and make it easier for openness-conscious consumers to find appropriate hardware? Of course, there are various notions of open hardware, so there might be parts of the site for hardware-hackers, for example, but I'm more interested in a web-site for end-users. Also it might include hardware that is not itself open source, but where the company states a clear commitment to Free Software principles. I.e. a site that links to things like Openmoko, Qi, AlwaysInnovating, maybe Lemote, OpenPandora, ... this guy looks like he wants to do something around this idea, but he also looks like he's not progressed too far. maybe he has ideas but needs some motivation/help? he talks of open hardware certification, whatever that is http://openhardware.org/ decent domain name, no? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko images V9
First time, I look to this distribution... Screenshots are really great ! I wanna really start to build some apps for this distribution. Any wiki on how to build it, and how to build application for this distribution ? Thanks ! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Contacts from Nokia N70 to opimd with PISI: no phone field
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Michael Pilgermann kichka...@gmx.de wrote: In fact, it even is default already. However, it is not the standard way of storing phone number information (if you look around at other backends) - so I decided to leave it up to the user. Uh! I just gived it a try but not digged about standards. Please Michael may you elaborate a bit about that? And please Sebastian/FSO team, if you are not following a standard and are just creating a new one may you point why the old standard is bad? Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
