Re: [ANN][SHR][Debian] New Emacs interface for FSO
Hi, Michael, let me take this opportunity to thank you for all the wonderful opportunities opened by the D-Bus integration in Emacs, it really rocks :) On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:24:05PM +0200, Michael Albinus wrote: Unfortunately, it’s not currently possible for one emacs process to use both local and remote dbus message buses due to bindings’ limitation. What do you mean by this? Is it a restriction we could throw away in Emacs? Yes, to the best of my understanding to leverage this restriction one needs to modify dbusbind.c. Currently the emacs bindings accept only :session or :system for the bus name and use dbus_bus_get() to get one of them. It should support also arbitrary strings and call dbus_connection_open() instead (in xd_initialize()). One should also not forget to call dbus_connection_unref() after he's done (according to http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/api/html/group__DBusConnection.html). I also suspect that dbus_bus_get has an interesting undesired side-effect: it'll kill the app if connection drops. Not exactly what you want to be done with your emacs. OTOH, i'm not sure this usecase is worth caring about. At least i know i'm the only user of fso.el and i do not really need that :/ -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QI Bootloader with overclocked settings
Hi I already use the tuned glamo. But I would like to speed reclock the cpu to 500 mhz too. Im using the gamerunner distro and the snes emulator could use a little speed up for better sound (without sound it works perfectly). Is there a gq version with the better glamo timings and the higher bus / cpu clock? Greetz Rashid Hi, Rashid Did I read right, when you use the lower overcloking images you dont need to hack the kernel, you can just take an other bootloader, right? Yes, only bootloader, where were qi somewhere, but, check answers to that post. But i recommend you to try bootloader with tuned glamo instead (from http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2010-July/062495.html ), where were qi also somewhere in answers. Gennady. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Unable to boot with u-boot_glamo242.udfu
Hello everyone, I'm trying to test the 242 u-boot boot-loader as suggested in a previous thread[1]. At first I tried to flash it using the following commands: #flash_eraseall /dev/mtd1 #nandwrite -p /dev/mtd1 u-boot_glamo242.udfu but I encountered an mtdparts problem as described in the wiki[2]. Searching around I found a solution[3]. That solution let me unable to boot again (a menu with the correct header and a completely useless boot voice appeared as I power+aux the mobile) until I flashed (this time with dfu-util ;-)) a new version of u-boot[4] which worked quite well. I tried again, again with dfu-util, u-boot_glamo242.udfu, but it still didn't work. What I noticed: -my u-boot_env (/dev/mtd2) was quite reach of options (there were 10 of them); -the tenth was (and is) always represented something like a smile; -if I edit u-boot_env (both with [5] and [6], which is a wrapper of [5] I think) I can't get rid of some duplicated reboot/power off voices and of the smile. Have you got any suggestion? Do you know if there is some way to correct the bug discussed in [2] in order to improve another wrapper I'm writing[7]? Thanks Giacomo PS I've added the following entry[8] in the wiki, I hope you can add some informations. [1]http://www.bsdmn.com/openmoko/glamo/242/u-boot_glamo242.udfu [2]http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Nandwrite [3]http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/U-boot#What_if_I_borked_my_bootloader_environment_and_don.27t_get_a_prompt_anymore.3F [4]u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1_20100131.bin [5]http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/devirginator/envedit.pl [6]http://code.google.com/p/edituenv/downloads/detail?name=editUenv.shcan=2q= [7]http://code.google.com/p/edituenv/downloads/detail?name=flashUboot.shcan=2q= [8]http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/U-Boot_versions#GLAMO_improvements __ Do You Yahoo!? Poco spazio e tanto spam? Yahoo! Mail ti protegge dallo spam e ti da tanto spazio gratuito per i tuoi file e i messaggi http://mail.yahoo.it ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Unable to boot with u-boot_glamo242.udfu
Hi, Giacomo. At first I tried to flash it using the following commands: #flash_eraseall /dev/mtd1 #nandwrite -p /dev/mtd1 u-boot_glamo242.udfu As you already understood, nandwrite is highly not recommended, use dfu-util As i didn't fall to this pitfall, really can tell exactly how to go out of it. I am always using any uboot envedit.pl to change environment and flash images. I think, this should work from scratch, and should be easy for anything except android (which has different NAND layout). In anroid case one should just tune that dynparts to match android layout. I tried again, again with dfu-util, u-boot_glamo242.udfu, but it still didn't work. Define 'didn't work' please. Can you reach menu? Can you hear 'click' on boot? To boot, hold power and then start holding aux, you should hold aux longer than usual (this seem like some latest-svn uboot bug). If I edit u-boot_env (both with [5] and [6], which is a wrapper of [5] I think) I can't get rid of some duplicated reboot/power off voices and of the smile. Of course, you should edit environment.in and cut everything what you don't need. Mine current environment.in is not useful for anyone except me, so i'll not prove it (i am using xfs and ramconsole). Have you got any suggestion? If you need a bit more help on topic, we can talk on IRC. Gennady ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
QI Bootloader with overclocked settings
Hi, Rashid Hi I already use the tuned glamo. But I would like to speed reclock the cpu to 500 mhz too. I didn't tried to combine 500 or 533 mhz clk2 or clk3 with glamo242. It should work. Sebastian (dos1) tried to build 465/116Mhz qi, but it didn't work for him. Such things seem individual for each freerunner (unfortunately CLK2 seem not working for some people too), so i think it's possible to find some better than default value (may be 450, or play with voltage), but nobody did it ATM. May be i'll try to test it later. Currently, i am on 242 timings and it works perfect in all aspects - no wsods, no problems with I/O while booting or booted, except one annoyance - i have to boot it via menu because in 33% of cases uboot seem loading kernel image in some wrong way, so it not passes crc checking, so i have to select and boot kernel again in such cases. sometimes it will not boot from second time too, which is actually strange and quite annoying. Gennady. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QI Bootloader with overclocked settings
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 20:59, Gennady Kupava g...@bsdmn.com wrote: Hi, Rashid Hi I already use the tuned glamo. But I would like to speed reclock the cpu to 500 mhz too. I didn't tried to combine 500 or 533 mhz clk2 or clk3 with glamo242. It should work. Sebastian (dos1) tried to build 465/116Mhz qi, but it didn't work for him. Such things seem individual for each freerunner (unfortunately CLK2 seem not working for some people too), so i think it's possible to find some better than default value (may be 450, or play with voltage), but nobody did it ATM. May be i'll try to test it later. Currently, i am on 242 timings and it works perfect in all aspects - no wsods, no problems with I/O while booting or booted, except one annoyance - i have to boot it via menu because in 33% of cases uboot seem loading kernel image in some wrong way, so it not passes crc checking, so i have to select and boot kernel again in such cases. sometimes it will not boot from second time too, which is actually strange and quite annoying. Gennady. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community http://dos.openmoko.pl/overclock/ :) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
QI Bootloader with overclocked settings
Hi, Sebastian, Are this: http://dos.openmoko.pl/overclock/ all glamo 2-4-2 qi's? According to patches, they are not. We talking now about combined 242 and changed clock settings. Gennady ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QI Bootloader with overclocked settings
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 21:09, Gennady Kupava g...@bsdmn.com wrote: Hi, Sebastian, Are this: http://dos.openmoko.pl/overclock/ all glamo 2-4-2 qi's? According to patches, they are not. We talking now about combined 242 and changed clock settings. Gennady Oh, then not. I'll try to provide them soon in the same directory. Thanks for pointing :) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader sales and the future of Openmoko
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 5:58 AM, Christoph Pulster openm...@pulster.de wrote: Please note Android is a Google(TM) product. TM stands for total monopol. Or terrible monster. Google is evil. Android is no free OS. By what definition of free is Android not a free OS? Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader sales and the future of Openmoko
Please note Android is a Google(TM) product. TM stands for total monopol. Or terrible monster. Google is evil. Android is no free OS. By what definition of free is Android not a free OS? by free as in speech. it's not 100% open -- important parts of the os, namely hw drivers, are closed. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader sales and the future of Openmoko
Please note Linux is a Torvalds (TM). TM stands for total monopol. Or terrible monster. Torvalds is evil. Linux is no free OS. huh ? ok, troll. please, lets leave him there. dont respond to this mail ! $2c, *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR] toolchain (again)
Hi List, I'd like to start trying to contribute to the Openmoko-ecosystem in a more meaningful manner than lurking the mailinglists. I also like to see if I can add my own twist to my phone (running SHR-U). I imagined combining those two wishes by getting a toolchain running and see what happens to the code I put through it. Now I found that the wiki [1] is quite specific about telling me what my needs are. I do not want to do (b) System Integration and customizing a distribution, so I probably want (a), just the single application. The wiki shows how to set up a toolchain for 2008.8, or that is where the example link for libraries points to. There's an unstable branch [2] as well, but I susbpect it's not SHR-U. There was a request on the community list earlier [3], referring to the shr-user list and a ticket [4] on the SHR-track. The ticket does not (yet) give me insight in how to get a (minimal) toolchain for building my own programs for SHR, but it reminded me to have a look on the SHR site. On the SHR wiki [5], the curve seems opposite to what it is on the Openmoko wiki: getting started with a single application requires more setup than building the distribution. I am a little confused and actually, close to a year ago I intended to take the plunge as well but got stuck following the SHR-guide. Since my laptop (PIII 700MHz, 256Meg) is not the fastest beast (actually almost gets beaten by the modern architecture found in my Freerunner), I remember some steps took overnight to complete. After this lengthy introduction, can it be confirmed that the instructions on the SHR wiki have recently worked, and is there a reasonable chance that I will get through it just following the pictures? So far, just browsing, the instructions seem quite solid (thumbs up! :-) ) Oh, I'm running (L)Ubuntu 10.04, with half of the instructions on the Openmoko wiki completed. Thanks in advance! Boudewijn [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain#Introduction [2] http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/om-gta02/ [3] http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td4115109 [4] http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/764 [5] http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Getting%20started%20developing%20SHR ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader sales and the future of Openmoko
On Thursday 19 August 2010, Jim Ancona wrote: On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 5:58 AM, Christoph Pulster openm...@pulster.de wrote: Please note Android is a Google(TM) product. TM stands for total monopol. Or terrible monster. Google is evil. Android is no free OS. By what definition of free is Android not a free OS? That depends on your definition of Android. Most people think of Android as what you get on an Android handset, and that includes non-free (binary-only non-redistributable) drivers and core applications like the Marketplace. People making modified firmware images have been prevented from including these in their images by Google, so they have to work around by backing up the original binaries before flashing, then restoring them. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader sales and the future of Openmoko
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:43 PM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: Please note Android is a Google(TM) product. TM stands for total monopol. Or terrible monster. Google is evil. Android is no free OS. By what definition of free is Android not a free OS? by free as in speech. it's not 100% open -- important parts of the os, namely hw drivers, are closed. True with respect to most phones, because hardware manufacturers don't release their drivers. Not true with respect to the Freerunner. In any case, Android is exactly as free as Linux is, because you would have exactly the same problem running any Linux-based OS on that hardware, correct? So Linux is not free by your definition. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader sales and the future of Openmoko
2010/8/20 Jim Ancona j...@anconafamily.com: True with respect to most phones, because hardware manufacturers don't release their drivers. Not true with respect to the Freerunner. In any case, Android is exactly as free as Linux is, because you would have exactly the same problem running any Linux-based OS on that hardware, correct? So Linux is not free by your definition. I think the confusion usually arises from the fact that Android is usually used to indicate devices sold with Android. No Android shipping phone runs on just free software (on the main CPU) currently, except if all the limits with HTC Dream, which I think people have been hacking on the most, have been surpassed. But there are also other aspects than being free or non-free, like being a successful open-source project in terms of open development, external developers in the core components (besides kernel) et cetera. In that sense I and probably many others still very much prefer GNU-userland / something-we-all-know-better type of distributions over Android software. On the other hand, talking from hardware vendor point of view, free and ready touch device softwares are still a bit lacking, so Android could be a solution for something to ship on the device, similar to Om2007.2. Remember that if doing some FreeRunner successor kind of thing, it doesn't matter that much what is shipped with it. And if it frees up developer resources to doing just hardware and kernel support by not doing a huge effort like OE-based Om2007.2/Om2008/Om2009 on the software distribution, I'm all for it. But if the vendor is going to build some application software, I'd vote for doing that for some other platform than Android stack, if for nothing else then for increasing competition in the free software touch/mobile applications. By the time any successor hardware would be available, MeeGo with handheld packages is probably anyway a better starting place, since it's a true GNU/Linux distro. I'm not saying Android has serious flaws, I just strongly think that the longer roots in the open world the better for the healthiness of the open software. Big piles of code-dropped code takes time to become an open project, similar to what we'll certainly see with Symbian that is now all open. Personally I'd go for Debian all the way but I know the real-world-use touch applications will first arrive somewhere else and only later will be packaged on Debian, like we do in the pkg-fso group. But if the vendor would like to spend some time on the distribution software as well, I think Debian is The way to go for longevity of the product and its software. As a major component of it involves getting all the kernel code upstream :) -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
