Re: GSM buzz fix and freebeer brewing party in Washington, DC
I'm all for it, esp. if 1024-fix or headset-bass-fix is possible. On Sat, 2010-10-09 at 11:01 -0400, Brian DeRocher wrote: Hello, I'd like to announce a GSM buzz fix party in the DC metro area. At this time i'm just gathering interest. When we have a sufficient number of people, i'll announce the date and place. Please mark your interest on this wiki page or email me directly. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/BuzzFixParty#Washington.2C_DC_-_United_States Even if you don't have the buzz issue, stop by. We can try my batch of http://freebeer.org and brew some more (of course modifying and improving the recipe). Having no idea what the level of interest is, i'd like to reserve the right to limit the number of people attending. Brian -- Brian DeRocher http://brian.derocher.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- --Brian Kemp brian.k...@gmail.com PGP Key fingerprint: 1E5BF363 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Phone Project (MiniMoko) : Which functionalities ?
On Saturday 09 October 2010, Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote: On 10/09/2010 06:15 PM, Al Johnson wrote: On Saturday 09 October 2010, Timo Jyrinki wrote: 2010/10/6 Eddered...@tkwsping.nl: Will it support headphone, with a microphone? I think it's safe nowadays to just assume Bluetooth headphones, ie. not all devices need the extra plugs if something has to be sacrificed. The 40 pin connector[1] has pins for headset left, right, mic and detect, so it should support a headset connecting through this at least. There is also a minijack socket that appears to be 3.5mm[2], but the spec[3] and pin disposition suggest this may be audio out only. If so it's an odd choice as there is a de fatcto standard for 4-pole minijacks for headphone and headset. 2010/10/6 giacomo 'giotti' marianigiacomomari...@yahoo.it: Looks like it miss USB connectivity and I need SSH strongly! Well SSH over Bluetooth personal area network works just fine, but indeed I'd also like USB port for charging and connecting other devices (host mode) USB is also on the 40-pin connector. Judging by the beagleboard, the OTG pins wil give gadget or OTG support while the other port will give host mode. There doesn't appear to be a 5V out pin though, so host mode may be unpowered. Personally I would rather see a pair of usb ports than the micro-HDMI and the barrel power connector, and make sure the headset connector is 4-pole with mic support. [1] http://alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/40-pin_connector [2] http://alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/MID_board [3] http://alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Smart_Book_specs Interesting notes ! I add them to the Do/Don't Do list. Where is this list? I just answerd about a USB adapter (pluged into the 40pins). Perhaphs a multiport adapter, plugged in the 40pins, but with a 'U' form factor, so the wires will be parallel to the phone and behind. What about that ? Add some fold out legs and you have a docking station in the same unit. It's certainly neater than an octopus cable, or multiple adapters. In another post I suggested putting the 3G module, gps, pressure and ambient light sensors, magnetometer and gyro plus connectors in a small clip on module using the 40 pin connector. That makes phone and navigation hardware an option for those that want it without requiring AI to change their existing design, or force the extra expense on those that don't want it. The moko nav board v2 already shows the sensor circuit - 3.3v supply and i2c interface as available on the 40pin connector. There's a serial port for GPS too, which just leaves 3G, and perhaps some level shifting for the interfaces. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Phone Project (MiniMoko) : Which functionalities ?
Looks like we have 2 different opinions here: 1. attach-all-possible-staff-to-MID add new holes new connectors and so on, e.g. people dreams about open extra-cool phone. I'm a bit confused by such unrealistic direction of developing MiniMoko, and it will require at least 1-2 years. 2. Use already created MiniBook, just add gsm/3g board inside. IMHO, more realistic idea and definitely require less efforts. And one more note: attaching anything via external 40pin port, will make device impossible to attach to Smartbook. Maksim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Phone Project (MiniMoko) : Which functionalities ?
On Sunday 10 October 2010, Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau wrote: Looks like we have 2 different opinions here: 1. attach-all-possible-staff-to-MID add new holes new connectors and so on, e.g. people dreams about open extra-cool phone. I'm a bit confused by such unrealistic direction of developing MiniMoko, and it will require at least 1-2 years. Probably true, but a nice long term target if AI want to make such a device. I _really_ want to see a phone with a daylight readable display! 2. Use already created MiniBook, just add gsm/3g board inside. IMHO, more realistic idea and definitely require less efforts. Certainly, space permitting. There may be enough space for navigation sensors too. They are easier to add than the 3G module, and have a similarly low requirement for case mods. And one more note: attaching anything via external 40pin port, will make device impossible to attach to Smartbook. The MiniBook can be connected as normal after removing the module. We could design the module so that it can connect everything via USB, in which case the module could dock to one of the USB connections available in the SmartBook. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Phone Project (MiniMoko) : Which functionalities ?
2. Use already created MiniBook, just add gsm/3g board inside. IMHO, more realistic idea and definitely require less efforts. Certainly, space permitting. There may be enough space for navigation sensors too. They are easier to add than the 3G module, and have a similarly low requirement for case mods. imho 3g phone module have a certain priority over all the rest. I think we should do things gradually, step by step, just to be concrete. hey, I'm not saying the rest is crap! just do one thing and do it well, to start moving wheels :) And one more note: attaching anything via external 40pin port, will make device impossible to attach to Smartbook. The MiniBook can be connected as normal after removing the module. We could design the module so that it can connect everything via USB, in which case the module could dock to one of the USB connections available in the SmartBook. so, why we don't just add the µ-usb port and use that both to connect that module, charge the phone, use it as flashdrive etc..? also you'd need one and only the usb port on the module so you'll be able to connect directly or through one of the others ports on the smartbook. and the barrel 5v connector is removable, imho. -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Phone Project (MiniMoko) : Which functionalities ?
On Sunday 10 October 2010, Alfa21 wrote: And one more note: attaching anything via external 40pin port, will make device impossible to attach to Smartbook. The MiniBook can be connected as normal after removing the module. We could design the module so that it can connect everything via USB, in which case the module could dock to one of the USB connections available in the SmartBook. so, why we don't just add the µ-usb port and use that both to connect that module, charge the phone, use it as flashdrive etc..? also you'd need one and only the usb port on the module so you'll be able to connect directly or through one of the others ports on the smartbook. Because the point of the module is that is doesn't require changes to the existing MiniBook. Much as I would like to replace the barrel and mini-HDMI with client and host usb sockets, that would require a board revision and new plastics. If that's being done then the board rev may as well include the bits that would have gone into the module. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Phone Project (MiniMoko) : Which functionalities ?
On 10/10/10 17:27, Al Johnson wrote: On Saturday 09 October 2010, Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote: On 10/09/2010 06:15 PM, Al Johnson wrote: On Saturday 09 October 2010, Timo Jyrinki wrote: 2010/10/6 Eddered...@tkwsping.nl: Will it support headphone, with a microphone? I think it's safe nowadays to just assume Bluetooth headphones, ie. not all devices need the extra plugs if something has to be sacrificed. The 40 pin connector[1] has pins for headset left, right, mic and detect, so it should support a headset connecting through this at least. There is also a minijack socket that appears to be 3.5mm[2], but the spec[3] and pin disposition suggest this may be audio out only. If so it's an odd choice as there is a de fatcto standard for 4-pole minijacks for headphone and headset. 2010/10/6 giacomo 'giotti' marianigiacomomari...@yahoo.it: Looks like it miss USB connectivity and I need SSH strongly! Well SSH over Bluetooth personal area network works just fine, but indeed I'd also like USB port for charging and connecting other devices (host mode) USB is also on the 40-pin connector. Judging by the beagleboard, the OTG pins wil give gadget or OTG support while the other port will give host mode. There doesn't appear to be a 5V out pin though, so host mode may be unpowered. Personally I would rather see a pair of usb ports than the micro-HDMI and the barrel power connector, and make sure the headset connector is 4-pole with mic support. [1] http://alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/40-pin_connector [2] http://alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/MID_board [3] http://alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Smart_Book_specs Interesting notes ! I add them to the Do/Don't Do list. Where is this list? -- It's in my head, and in the ML also here : http://pollen.chorem.org/pollen/poll/votefor/6f8d4dbd06ca4ae9bb90d117a5dbaf79 I just answerd about a USB adapter (pluged into the 40pins). Perhaphs a multiport adapter, plugged in the 40pins, but with a 'U' form factor, so the wires will be parallel to the phone and behind. What about that ? Add some fold out legs and you have a docking station in the same unit. It's certainly neater than an octopus cable, or multiple adapters. In another post I suggested putting the 3G module, gps, pressure and ambient light sensors, magnetometer and gyro plus connectors in a small clip on module using the 40 pin connector. That makes phone and navigation hardware an option for those that want it without requiring AI to change their existing design, or force the extra expense on those that don't want it. The moko nav board v2 already shows the sensor circuit - 3.3v supply and i2c interface as available on the 40pin connector. There's a serial port for GPS too, which just leaves 3G, and perhaps some level shifting for the interfaces. Really really nice idea !!! I Like the idea of the dockable addon ! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Phone Project (MiniMoko) : Which functionalities ?
On 10/10/10 17:42, Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau wrote: Looks like we have 2 different opinions here: 1. attach-all-possible-staff-to-MID add new holes new connectors and so on, e.g. people dreams about open extra-cool phone. I'm a bit confused by such unrealistic direction of developing MiniMoko, and it will require at least 1-2 years. 2. Use already created MiniBook, just add gsm/3g board inside. IMHO, more realistic idea and definitely require less efforts. And one more note: attaching anything via external 40pin port, will make device impossible to attach to Smartbook. Maksim Definitly, the way we wanted to go here is the 2nd one. But your note is excellent, and we have to ask : do we have to plug the MiniBook to the smartbook with all its stuff ? (I assume it is 'yes'...,but, We'll had the questions for A.I.) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Phone Project (MiniMoko) : Which functionalities ?
On 10/10/10 20:09, Alfa21 wrote: 2. Use already created MiniBook, just add gsm/3g board inside. IMHO, more realistic idea and definitely require less efforts. Certainly, space permitting. There may be enough space for navigation sensors too. They are easier to add than the 3G module, and have a similarly low requirement for case mods. imho 3g phone module have a certain priority over all the rest. I think we should do things gradually, step by step, just to be concrete. hey, I'm not saying the rest is crap! just do one thing and do it well, to start moving wheels :) I wish I say your words ;-) And one more note: attaching anything via external 40pin port, will make device impossible to attach to Smartbook. The MiniBook can be connected as normal after removing the module. We could design the module so that it can connect everything via USB, in which case the module could dock to one of the USB connections available in the SmartBook. so, why we don't just add the µ-usb port and use that both to connect that module, charge the phone, use it as flashdrive etc..? also you'd need one and only the usb port on the module so you'll be able to connect directly or through one of the others ports on the smartbook. and the barrel 5v connector is removable, imho. Nice analysis, we have to be concrete, simple efficient. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Phone Project (MiniMoko) : Which functionalities ?
On 10/10/10 20:53, Al Johnson wrote: On Sunday 10 October 2010, Alfa21 wrote: And one more note: attaching anything via external 40pin port, will make device impossible to attach to Smartbook. The MiniBook can be connected as normal after removing the module. We could design the module so that it can connect everything via USB, in which case the module could dock to one of the USB connections available in the SmartBook. so, why we don't just add the µ-usb port and use that both to connect that module, charge the phone, use it as flashdrive etc..? also you'd need one and only the usb port on the module so you'll be able to connect directly or through one of the others ports on the smartbook. Because the point of the module is that is doesn't require changes to the existing MiniBook. Much as I would like to replace the barrel and mini-HDMI with client and host usb sockets, that would require a board revision and new plastics. If that's being done then the board rev may as well include the bits that would have gone into the module. As there will be 3G + SimCard reader + USB plugs, yes, the plastics may suffer a bit. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
