Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
2010-10...@07:36 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller Here is the photo of a bare board as it came from the PCB factory: eh! your baby is growing up! nice nice nice! :) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 09:12:58 +0200, Alfa21 freerun...@my.is.it wrote: 2010-10...@07:36 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller Here is the photo of a bare board as it came from the PCB factory: eh! your baby is growing up! nice nice nice! :) I agree :) Can't wait! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v26 Qtopia Documents System
Issue Resolved!!! Thanks Jose... /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Storage.conf showed: /dev/mmcblk0p1 instead of: /dev/mmcblk0p4 I thought that it looked for Documents in: /media/card/Documents but clearly, I was wrong... Thanks, Nashvin On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Jose Luis Perez Diez jl...@escomposlinux.org wrote: A Dimarts 19 Octubre 2010 16:41:24, Nashvin Gangaram va escriure: Hi Sferic Thanks for the suggestion. I'm not sure what you mean by cleaning the sqlite3-document database. Is this performed in the Rescan System, or separately? Anyway, I tried to umount, rescan, mount, rescan with no luck... Have you checked the entries for /dev/mmcblk0p# of your fat partition on /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Storage.conf? There are some docs abouth the contents of this file on http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtopia2.0/html/devices.html http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtextended4.4/integration-guide.html#document-content- system ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Hi, One question: Do you only consider upgrades of existing Freerunners or would a complete phone also be an option? My (probably naive) impression is that you're only missing the case plastics to provide a complete GTA4 phone. Regards, Andreas On 21.10.2010 07:36, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 20.10.2010 um 09:56 schrieb Patryk Benderz: [cut] I will keep you updated. Nikolaus Thanks for sharing this, do you have some photos of this board? Looking Here is the photo of a bare board as it came from the PCB factory: http://download.goldelico.com/gta04/images/DSC00627.jpg http://download.goldelico.com/gta04/images/DSC00628.jpg The next version of the board layout will add two Hirose DF40 board-to-board connectors on the display side so that the GTA04 can be mounted on a expansion board (e.g. for a different/larger display). A populated board will finally look similar to this one: http://download.goldelico.com/gta04/images/DSC00477.jpg forward to hear more! :) As soon as we have something to share... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
On Thursday 21 October 2010, Andreas Fischer wrote: Hi, One question: Do you only consider upgrades of existing Freerunners or would a complete phone also be an option? My (probably naive) impression is that you're only missing the case plastics to provide a complete GTA4 phone. Most of the parts are here: http://www.handheld- linux.com/wiki.php?page=Accessoriesreferer=Neo%20Freerunner Not sure if the button plastics are included in the middle part or not. Not sure about the vibrator either, but everything else looks to be available, at least in limited quantities. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
The board looks great! Quite professional ;-) My (probably naive) impression is that you're only missing the case plastics to provide a complete GTA4 phone. The LCD comes in handy at times, was my first thought... Most of the parts are here: http://www.handheld- linux.com/wiki.php?page=Accessoriesreferer=Neo%20Freerunner Not sure if the button plastics are included in the middle part or not. Not sure about the vibrator either, but everything else looks to be available, at least in limited quantities. Yep, I see the vibrator on the photo: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo%20Freerunner%3ASpare%20Parts and the LCD is also listed :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
On Thursday 21 October 2010, W. B. Kranendonk wrote: The LCD comes in handy at times, was my first thought... True, but they're available from many more suppliers than moko plastics! Shame there isn't a transreflective version though... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
True, but they're available from many more suppliers than moko plastics! Shame there isn't a transreflective version though... I today recieved the plastic parts for a RepRap. So we can soon start to design and produce the case for new OpenMokos. Only barrier: We need an extruder and some kilogram of granule first... -_- lg leviathan signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Am 21.10.2010 um 17:18 schrieb Andreas Fischer: Hi, One question: Do you only consider upgrades of existing Freerunners or would a complete phone also be an option? My (probably naive) impression We not only plan these upgrade boards but also complete phones as a long term goal. Maybe, even in a different and improved industrial design. And in some years with a OMAP4 :) Our team is currently evaluating options (3D printers, rapid prototyping, 3D cutting, protomold, etc.) and trying to build prototypes, but did not yet come to conclusions. So please give us some more time. is that you're only missing the case plastics to provide a complete GTA4 phone. Well, it is only adding some minor components to the kit (antenna, battery, USB-charger, vibramotor, earpiece, speakers) plus a set of plastic parts. But plastics is quite a heavy challenge if you really want to do it without big venture capital. Even larger than getting the PCBs shown in the photos... The problem appears to be that the inexpensive rapid prototyping methods don't have the required precision (0.1 mm, 0.5 mm wall thickness, etc.) and those with high quality are prohibitively expensive. Unless you, i.e. the community, is willing to do fixed pre-orders for a total of at least 1000 units. The idea of having the community design different cases for the Neo 1973 and Freerunner is quite old [1], but I think there was only one group to show up with a case extension [2]. This can be printed e.g. at Shapeways but is not stiff and precise enough for daily use. [1]: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases [2]: http://openmokast.org/cad-files.html BR, Nikolaus Regards, Andreas On 21.10.2010 07:36, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 20.10.2010 um 09:56 schrieb Patryk Benderz: [cut] I will keep you updated. Nikolaus Thanks for sharing this, do you have some photos of this board? Looking Here is the photo of a bare board as it came from the PCB factory: http://download.goldelico.com/gta04/images/DSC00627.jpg http://download.goldelico.com/gta04/images/DSC00628.jpg The next version of the board layout will add two Hirose DF40 board-to-board connectors on the display side so that the GTA04 can be mounted on a expansion board (e.g. for a different/larger display). A populated board will finally look similar to this one: http://download.goldelico.com/gta04/images/DSC00477.jpg forward to hear more! :) As soon as we have something to share... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Am 21.10.2010 um 18:05 schrieb Al Johnson: On Thursday 21 October 2010, Andreas Fischer wrote: Hi, One question: Do you only consider upgrades of existing Freerunners or would a complete phone also be an option? My (probably naive) impression is that you're only missing the case plastics to provide a complete GTA4 phone. Most of the parts are here: http://www.handheld- linux.com/wiki.php?page=Accessoriesreferer=Neo%20Freerunner Not sure if the button plastics are included in the middle part or not. Not sure about the vibrator either, but everything else looks to be available, at least in limited quantities. Yes, but *very* limited quantities... And no chance to produce more. I did discuss with Sean how we could get access to the original tools for community use, but there are financial, legal, bureaucratic and many other issues. So we decided not to put too much effort into that aproach. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Am 21.10.2010 um 18:21 schrieb W. B. Kranendonk: The board looks great! Quite professional ;-) My (probably naive) impression is that you're only missing the case plastics to provide a complete GTA4 phone. The LCD comes in handy at times, was my first thought... Most of the parts are here: http://www.handheld- linux.com/wiki.php?page=Accessoriesreferer=Neo%20Freerunner Not sure if the button plastics are included in the middle part or not. Not sure about the vibrator either, but everything else looks to be available, at least in limited quantities. Yep, I see the vibrator on the photo: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo%20Freerunner%3ASpare%20Parts and the LCD is also listed :-) We know the suppliers and part numbers of all these things (thanks to the GTA02-core project!) but that does not necessarily mean that the parts are easy to purchase. But plastics was an individually produced part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
2010-10...@19:06 David Lanzendörfer True, but they're available from many more suppliers than moko plastics! Shame there isn't a transreflective version though... I today recieved the plastic parts for a RepRap. So we can soon start to design and produce the case for new OpenMokos. Only barrier: We need an extruder and some kilogram of granule first... -_- lg leviathan you should try 3d print like this: http://www.printo3d.com/ (and many others sellers!) made in ABS which is a good plastic and up to 0.01 inches resolution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrylonitrile_butadiene_styrene -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v28
O Mércores, 20 de Outubro de 2010, Gennady Kupava escribiu: Always wanted to test ubifs, so joining experimental branch to test this. Just installed it, working well so far. - rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 + fstype=ubifs ubi.mtd=6,2048 root=ubi0:om-gta02-rootfs U-boot environment change above is working well. Gennady Is your 242-glamo-timings uboot ubifs capable? I cannot boot qtmoko v28 with it, even after changing bootargs... Thank you -- David Garabana Barro jabber google talk ID:da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v28
В Чтв, 21/10/2010 в 20:57 +0200, David Garabana Barro пишет: Gennady Is your 242-glamo-timings uboot ubifs capable? I cannot boot qtmoko v28 with it, even after changing bootargs... Hi, David. Sure, it works ok here. Basically, u-boot's job on nand is only load kernel from fsless partition, transfer boot params to it, and execute kernel, so it is completely indefferent to kind of fs you have. glamo timings has no relation to NAND at all too. Recheck your env params and you downloaded everything in right way (kernel, u-boot env). My updated u-boot env (xfs on sd card): Source: http://www.bsdmn.com/openmoko/glamo/242/ubienv/environment.in Binary: http://www.bsdmn.com/openmoko/glamo/242/ubienv/u-boot_env.in3 Gennady ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v28
Hi Grennady, I notice two times menu_1= , is that intenional or just a typo? Kind regards, Ed On 10/21/2010 08:21 PM, Gennady Kupava wrote: В Чтв, 21/10/2010 в 20:57 +0200, David Garabana Barro пишет: Gennady Is your 242-glamo-timings uboot ubifs capable? I cannot boot qtmoko v28 with it, even after changing bootargs... Hi, David. Sure, it works ok here. Basically, u-boot's job on nand is only load kernel from fsless partition, transfer boot params to it, and execute kernel, so it is completely indefferent to kind of fs you have. glamo timings has no relation to NAND at all too. Recheck your env params and you downloaded everything in right way (kernel, u-boot env). My updated u-boot env (xfs on sd card): Source: http://www.bsdmn.com/openmoko/glamo/242/ubienv/environment.in Binary: http://www.bsdmn.com/openmoko/glamo/242/ubienv/u-boot_env.in3 Gennady ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
qmoko v28 with jitterless kernel
Hi, i have rebuilt kernel for qtmoko v28 with patch that eliminates touchscreen jitter from Gennady. You can download from uImage-v28.1.bin from here [1]. If you run from NAND you can reflash, if you run from uSD you can replace old one in /boot. Please note that i have changed the version only in file, so that you can use modules from old kernel. Regards Radek [1] http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/Experimental/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v28
Hi, Ed, Ah, yesterday i were thinking 'interesting, where is my NAND/jffs2 option?' but forgot about it today :) Sure, typo. Updated. But beware, you should consider my env only as example - it boots sd card by default, limits sd clock to values appropriate to my card. Gennady В Чтв, 21/10/2010 в 21:37 +0200, Ed Kapitein пишет: Hi Grennady, I notice two times menu_1= , is that intenional or just a typo? Kind regards, Ed On 10/21/2010 08:21 PM, Gennady Kupava wrote: В Чтв, 21/10/2010 в 20:57 +0200, David Garabana Barro пишет: Gennady Is your 242-glamo-timings uboot ubifs capable? I cannot boot qtmoko v28 with it, even after changing bootargs... Hi, David. Sure, it works ok here. Basically, u-boot's job on nand is only load kernel from fsless partition, transfer boot params to it, and execute kernel, so it is completely indefferent to kind of fs you have. glamo timings has no relation to NAND at all too. Recheck your env params and you downloaded everything in right way (kernel, u-boot env). My updated u-boot env (xfs on sd card): Source: http://www.bsdmn.com/openmoko/glamo/242/ubienv/environment.in Binary: http://www.bsdmn.com/openmoko/glamo/242/ubienv/u-boot_env.in3 Gennady ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Carrier in Belgium
(sorry for the duplicate) Hi list I am moving to Belgium in a couple of weeks and will buy a(probably prepaid) line from there. Can anyone tell which company plays well with FR hardware? I had problems with Vodafone NL before(GSM OK but no GPRS) also with Globul BG and I don't want this to happen again. -- Atilla ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
On 10/21/2010 07:59 PM, Alfa21 wrote: you should try 3d print like this: snip made in ABS which is a good plastic and up to 0.01 inches resolution Unfortunately, that's not quite good enough (different units). 0.01 inches = 0.254 mm, which is 2.54 times the required size: On 10/21/2010 07:32 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: the required precision (0.1 mm, 0.5 mm wall thickness, etc.) 0.1 mm is approximately 0.0039 inches. I have a question, though - is this precision required for making *any* well-working case design (due to the electronics etc.), or is it just for making more of the current case design? If it's the latter, it would be possible to create a new case design that would be easier to get manufactured... -- Regards, EdorFaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
On Friday 22 October 2010, EdorFaus wrote: On 10/21/2010 07:59 PM, Alfa21 wrote: you should try 3d print like this: snip made in ABS which is a good plastic and up to 0.01 inches resolution Unfortunately, that's not quite good enough (different units). 0.01 inches = 0.254 mm, which is 2.54 times the required size: On 10/21/2010 07:32 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: the required precision (0.1 mm, 0.5 mm wall thickness, etc.) 0.1 mm is approximately 0.0039 inches. I have a question, though - is this precision required for making *any* well-working case design (due to the electronics etc.), or is it just for making more of the current case design? If it's the latter, it would be possible to create a new case design that would be easier to get manufactured... The electronics don't need much precision in the case design. Cases that clip together firmly and securely do need precision though, and that's true of the current design. An alternative design needing less precision is possible, especially if we accept things being screwed together. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
