Re: qmoko v28 with jitterless kernel
g_ether gadget: full speed config #2: RNDIS 4. RNDIS is something related to windows network. Can you try to connect FR to linux box? I use freebsd (tried 6.x and 8.x). I will try linux as soon as I can. Probably this may help to identify problem. Regrads, Gennady. Some more hints: -when connected to a linux box the fr-dmesg says: usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using s3c2410-ohci and adress 3 usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=0a12, idProduct=0001 usb 1-1: new USB device strings: Mfr=0, Product=0, SerialNumber=0 -from freebsd: nmap -PN frqte Starting Nmap 5.21 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2010-10-25 10:15 CEST Strange error from connect (64):Host is down Nmap scan report for frqte (192.168.0.202) Host is up. rDNS record for 192.168.0.202: frdeb All 1000 scanned ports on frqte (192.168.0.202) are filtered Nmap done: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 6.16 seconds Cheers Giacomo PS That PC was not mine so I couldn't try ssh. __ Do You Yahoo!? Poco spazio e tanto spam? Yahoo! Mail ti protegge dallo spam e ti da tanto spazio gratuito per i tuoi file e i messaggi http://mail.yahoo.it ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: backup battery and case screws questions
Le 24/10/2010 02:44, Benjamin Deering a écrit : Hi, Both of my Freerunners lose the time when the battery is removed for even a couple seconds. I am assuming this is due to worn out backup batteries. I have ordered replacements (they were marked HB414 and they were 2.40 each from digikey). I also got a better soldering iron for doing the install. Has anyone done this replacement before? any gotchas? Also,as anyone found a source for replacement torx case screws? Thanks, Ben I have the same problem here (losing time in a couple of seconds), I am interested in any feedback from your replacement :) Xavier. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
On Saturday 23 October 2010, David Arnold wrote: On 23/10/2010, at 9:40 AM, Al Johnson wrote: high quality design doesn't have to be expensive to manufacture. I suspect something attractive could be made in low volume at a reasonable price using laser cut plastics. I'll try to ask the local cutters about their precision and cut thickness in different materials. This is a totally un-researched idea, but ... What about a machined aluminium case? Nice faraday cage you've got there ;-) Machined plastic would be easier for RF and almost as nice. I would guess that rental of a CNC machine would not cost too much, and perhaps we could make an arrangement with a technical college or even commercial firm to use their equipment in otherwise idle times? Unless you know someone in the firm who's willing to do something unofficial you'd have to be very lucky to get a company to do that. Either they'll be set up for big runs, in which case they won't want to change anything, or they'll be charging people for small runs exactly like ours. CNC has non-trivial setup costs for programming the tool path, and possibly for tooling to hold the workpiece. A college is much more likely to accept the idea, and might even accept case design as a student project. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: pisi calendar sync over caldav?
Hi, Hi Agent Mulder ;-) is it possible to sync a calendar application in shr-u with help of pisi to an internet calendar (not google) which uses the standard caldav protocol? Use the webdav option. I can't find any calendar application in shr-u which could sync by itself to a caldav server so i thought pisi could do it. But i can't find any settings for this case. You can convert evolution (dates) and also opimd (contacts) into webdav calendar (caldav) and vise-versa. Ciao, Rainer I want to beliefe too ;-) leviathan signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: pisi calendar sync over caldav?
Am 25.10.2010 12:28, schrieb David Lanzendoerfer: is it possible to sync a calendar application in shr-u with help of pisi to an internet calendar (not google) which uses the standard caldav protocol? Use the webdav option. But in the pisi doc it states that it uses ics files over webdav which is not the same as caldav extension to webdav AFAIK. I don't have any ics file when accessing my calendar over caldav. I only have an url like http://www.myserver.de/mycal with username and password. I can't find any calendar application in shr-u which could sync by itself to a caldav server so i thought pisi could do it. But i can't find any settings for this case. You can convert evolution (dates) and also opimd (contacts) into webdav calendar (caldav) and vise-versa. That sounds interesting. The default dates application in shr-u is opimd-dates and i can install dates from the repo which is pimlico-dates. Evolution is not available in shr-u and from the looks it is way to huge for the freerunner. And what has opimd contacts to do with a caldav calendar or do you mean opimd dates? :) Could you explain a bit more what you mean by convert? I would really like to have a calendar which could sync to caldav itself like the iphone (seen at a friend's phone). :) Ciao, Rainer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
--- On Sat, 10/23/10, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Well, an alternative approach could be to open a funds for a new injection mould. I.e. a Openmoko Case Production Foundation (or German e.V.). Everyone who gives some money for the funds can buy cases at a reduced rate. And everyone can buy a case. It sounds as a viable alternative. An injection mould costs somewhere around 20-100 k EUR. So if we get 300 community members to donate 100 EUR into the funds... A friend of mine used to be in the injection mould business; he designed and produced the moulds in Vietnam. I asked if he got some advice or an idea what the cost would be. I showed him my freerunner as example of where we come from. His input: - nice design (@freerunner) - moulds at 0.2 mm precision are not a problem, 0.1 mm requires more effort - depending on design, moulds start at some 6000 euro (or dollar, slipped my mind) - one case needs more than one mould - besides Vietnam, Czech is another country that can provide moulds at competitive prices Cases like that of the Freerunner, with more than one plastic, need more than one mould per piece. To say more of the price, it is necessary to have the design available. The most affordable option he says, would be to reuse Openmoko's mould if it is available. All in all nothing conclusive or very new I guess, but I liked to give the input anyway. Best regards, Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: backup battery and case screws questions
Dnia 2010-10-23, sob o godzinie 20:44 -0400, Benjamin Deering pisze: Hi, Both of my Freerunners lose the time when the battery is removed for even a couple seconds. I am assuming this is due to worn out backup batteries. Is there any backup battery? I was sure there was none by design - my FR lost RTC since i bought it, even when I removed battery for just a few seconds. -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: backup battery and case screws questions
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Patryk Benderz patryk.bend...@esp.pl wrote: Is there any backup battery? I was sure there was none by design - my FR lost RTC since i bought it, even when I removed battery for just a few seconds. yes, look here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta02a5_pcba_ps.JPG on the right, near the middle, the little round metallic shape soldered on the pcb is the battery. It's a known hardware bug and afaik replacing it will dry the new one in short time too. I'm not aware about a fix to that bug. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: backup battery and case screws questions
It looks like I will be following your advice. The hazmat shipping for the lithium batteries was going to be 175% of the price. I just ordered some supercaps instead. Ben On 10/24/2010 12:51 PM, Martix wrote: I suggest using double-layer super capacitor* intead of Lithium backup battery. These capacitors stores energy for a long time, like a battery and they have much longer lifetime. 0,2 F capacity should be enough for RTC backup on several hours, maybe days. * http://cz.farnell.com/jsp/search/browse.jsp?N=1002210+5117013+5087727+5400445No=0getResults=trueappliedparametrics=truelocale=cs_CZcatalogId=prevNValues=1002210+5117013filtersHidden=falseappliedHidden=falseoriginalQueryURL=%2Fjsp%2Fsearch%2Fbrowse.jsp%3FN%3D1002210%26No%3D0%26getResults%3Dtrue%26appliedparametrics%3Dtrue%26locale%3Dcs_CZ%26catalogId%3D%26prevNValues%3D1002210 Best regards, Martix 2010/10/24 Alfa21freerun...@my.is.it: 2010-10...@20:44 Benjamin Deering Has anyone done this replacement before? any gotchas? no, but I think it's not too difficult if you have a little experience with DIY. I've this (known) problem too but I'm afraid if I replace the battery it'll die as the old one... not sure... but I think I can live with that and so I never remove the main battery. Also,as anyone found a source for replacement torx case screws? I think it's easy to find in any good hardware shop (not computer-hardware eh! the one that sells you screwdrivers, electric drills Co.) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: pisi calendar sync over caldav?
But in the pisi doc it states that it uses ics files over webdav which is not the same as caldav extension to webdav AFAIK. I don't have any ics file when accessing my calendar over caldav. I only have an url like http://www.myserver.de/mycal with username and password. Ooops. Got you wrong. Sry. Well... Nope. Not yet implemented it seems. But you are free to add a plugin ^_^ That sounds interesting. The default dates application in shr-u is opimd-dates and i can install dates from the repo which is pimlico-dates. Evolution is not available in shr-u and from the looks it is way to huge for the freerunner. And what has opimd contacts to do with a caldav calendar or do you mean opimd dates? :) What? Huh? Since when? Last time I checked, when I started dates, evolution was running in the background and data was stored as ics file in evolution subdirectory... Do we now have opimd also for dates managment? Nice! Could you explain a bit more what you mean by convert? Well it gets e.g. SyncML data and puts them into ics vcf format and vise-versa... I would really like to have a calendar which could sync to caldav itself like the iphone (seen at a friend's phone). :) Well. Sry. I'm atm busy with building a RepRap (Huxley) But you could implement it? =^.^=~ best regards leviathan signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
On Saturday 23 October 2010, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 23.10.2010 um 15:40 schrieb Al Johnson: On Friday 22 October 2010, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 22.10.2010 um 02:17 schrieb Al Johnson: On Friday 22 October 2010, EdorFaus wrote: On 10/21/2010 07:59 PM, Alfa21 wrote: you should try 3d print like this: snip made in ABS which is a good plastic and up to 0.01 inches resolution Unfortunately, that's not quite good enough (different units). 0.01 inches = 0.254 mm, which is 2.54 times the required size: On 10/21/2010 07:32 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: the required precision (0.1 mm, 0.5 mm wall thickness, etc.) 0.1 mm is approximately 0.0039 inches. I have a question, though - is this precision required for making *any* well-working case design (due to the electronics etc.), or is it just for making more of the current case design? If it's the latter, it would be possible to create a new case design that would be easier to get manufactured... The electronics don't need much precision in the case design. Cases that clip together firmly and securely do need precision though, and that's true of the current design. An alternative design needing less precision is possible, especially if we accept things being screwed together. Generally yes. If we sacrifice quality, ergonomics, and size, we can find simpler and less expensive case constructions. I'm sure we can find alternative case construction methods that don't sacrifice much in any of those departments. They just won't be methods used in the mass market because they don't scale up to those production volumes, just as their methods don't scale down to ours. The pcb might need some design Well, we have anlysed approx. 5 or 6 different methods and none was inexpensive for low volumes. The only one that came down below 50 EUR per case is injection moulding. But I would be happy if you can guide the GTA04 to a different approach. It would be good if you could share the results of your research so other open hardware projects can get an idea of what a custom case might cost, and see how different manufacturing methods compare. It might also stop us suggesting things you've already investigated an rejected! Also exactly how low is low volume? Given the differences in setup costs for different manufacturing methods it could make a huge difference to the unit cost. elements suited to a different method of mounting than the current 'clip it into the injection moulding' variety, but this is for future generations not the current pcb. Well, the current board is really mounted by 2 torx screws and the connectors which fit into holes on the sides. The hooks and clips are not really necessary, which allows for a lot of simplifications. This is where some of us are currently working on to get the plastics produceable by a RepRap. I'll have to open my FR again to refresh my memory. I remember the GSM antenna connection being somewhat integral with the case assembly, but it would be nice to be mistaken! One aspect to keep in mind for precision are the push-buttons (AUX and Power). The buttons [1] are specified for a Travel 0.3 mm +0.1 –0.2 mm. I.e. if we don't want that the buttons get stuck we come to this 0.1mm precision. We have experienced the same with the PCB design where the position of the buttons must be within these 0.1mm... That doesn't mean the case needs that tolerance though. It just means the end of the actuator needs to stick over the edge of the pcb by the right amount to be operable. The external button can be lightly spring to take up the tolerance, or rest slightly clear of the button actuator. Alternative switch If I understand correctly, then the button would not fit smoothly into the case. It may stand out (or in) so it either gets trapped in the gauze of your trouser pockets, or you need long fingernails to press it. If designed to rest slightly clear of the pcb button it would sit where designed. If lightly sprung it would sit slightly further in. A tapered case edge, as we have with the current power button, makes this less disruptive as well as easier to find by touch. Even with a 0.5mm recess, which I doubt we would need, a button the size of the current aux button wouldn't need fingernails to press. types are an option for future designs, including a change to capacitive sensors as provided for by the v2 nav board. Not completely. The power button must be a mechanical button to wake up the processor from deep sleep. Or we drain the battery for a always-powered sensor chip. And, I am not sure if a sensor contact is safe enough for a smartphone in a pocket. The MPR121 on the nav board is supposed to draw 29uA for a 16ms sample period, less if we can stretch it out further. That gives a nominal battery life greater than 4 years, so battery drain shouldn't be a
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Well, we have anlysed approx. 5 or 6 different methods and none was inexpensive for low volumes. The only one that came down below 50 EUR per case is injection moulding. But I would be happy if you can guide the GTA04 to a different approach. It would be good if you could share the results of your research so other open hardware projects can get an idea of what a custom case might cost, and see how different manufacturing methods compare. It might also stop us suggesting things you've already investigated an rejected! Also exactly how low is low volume? Given the differences in setup costs for different manufacturing methods it could make a huge difference to the unit cost. All methods have setup cost (once) and cost per unit. Some methods have to repeat setup cost avery n units (e.g. silicon moulds made from Stereolitography). Our results so far (I can't share all of them): STL + Silicone moulds: 2000 EUR setup + 50 EUR each every 100 units Injection Moulds: 25000 EUR setup + 20 EUR per unit 3D-Printing: no setup, 400 EUR every unit (quality doubtful) Milling from ABS block: no setup, 500 EUR every unit So 1-10 units does not come below 250 EUR. 100 units may come to 70 EUR. 1000 units to 45 EUR. 10k to 22.50 EUR. You see the volume effect and clear preference of injection moulds. Which also give best quality... All these are lower estimates on industrial (not hobbyist) quality and based on 3D CAD files from Openmoko and does not include control of the process (someone must spend time to initiate and keep it running). Experience shows that real project cost is twice as high as the estimate... I agree that just suspecting that it exists is not enough . We have already spent several months discussing and asking for quotes and everyone can make such things. Technically. But if we ask for cost we are either beyond 100 EUR per piece in low quantities. Or there is need for some upfront investment that only pays off if we make more than around 1000 units. If you've already investigated laser cutting I'll stop now. I suggested it because the setup cost is very low relative to other methods, and I've seen a couple of one-off cases made that way. It also lends itself to manufacture at someone's local workshop, including laser-etched personalisation. I'm assuming people will be up for a bit of self-assembly here. Laser cutting was not yet amongst the production methods. Please try to get an estimate for setup cost (e.g. converting CAD data) and unit cost (material plus machine operation time). I think we all will be very happy if we finally find another method that does not need big VC money, i.e. can be done by joining all forces of our community. Well, an alternative approach could be to open a funds for a new injection mould. I.e. a Openmoko Case Production Foundation (or German e.V.). Everyone who gives some money for the funds can buy cases at a reduced rate. And everyone can buy a case. An injection mould costs somewhere around 20-100 k EUR. So if we get 300 community members to donate 100 EUR into the funds... That's certainly worth a look, especially if with a case design that would last for several generations of board. And potentially several different designs for the same board. BR, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Am 25.10.2010 um 13:09 schrieb W. B. Kranendonk: --- On Sat, 10/23/10, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Well, an alternative approach could be to open a funds for a new injection mould. I.e. a Openmoko Case Production Foundation (or German e.V.). Everyone who gives some money for the funds can buy cases at a reduced rate. And everyone can buy a case. It sounds as a viable alternative. An injection mould costs somewhere around 20-100 k EUR. So if we get 300 community members to donate 100 EUR into the funds... A friend of mine used to be in the injection mould business; he designed and produced the moulds in Vietnam. I asked if he got some advice or an idea what the cost would be. I showed him my freerunner as example of where we come from. His input: - nice design (@freerunner) - moulds at 0.2 mm precision are not a problem, 0.1 mm requires more effort - depending on design, moulds start at some 6000 euro (or dollar, slipped my mind) Yes, that is the same range what Protomold did quote for the middle part (i.e. one piece out of 10 of a complete case). The mould for the Power button is less expensive: approx. 1500 EUR. I.e. 10 buttons @ 150 EUR each :) But - the case is not even produceable by the Protomold process because it has undercuts which needs insets and quite complex mechanical constructions for a mould and drives cost extremely. - one case needs more than one mould Yes. Some parts could be combined in a single mould and then broken apart. Like in toys where you do it yourself. But this does not reduce mould construction cost. - besides Vietnam, Czech is another country that can provide moulds at competitive prices Cases like that of the Freerunner, with more than one plastic, need more than one mould per piece. To say more of the price, it is necessary to have the design available. The Maybe you can ask your friend if he has some contacts to Czech companies (which would be EU and simplify import/export). You can contact me by private mail about that. And, we have the CAD files of the original Freerunner. most affordable option he says, would be to reuse Openmoko's mould if it is available. Yes, I discussed that approach with Sean for quite a while and his team worked heavily on it (TNX :). But they don't own or have the moulds in their hands. All in all nothing conclusive or very new I guess, but I liked to give the input anyway. Yes, it is an independent view which is very important to hear. BR, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
On Monday 25 October 2010, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Well, we have anlysed approx. 5 or 6 different methods and none was inexpensive for low volumes. The only one that came down below 50 EUR per case is injection moulding. But I would be happy if you can guide the GTA04 to a different approach. It would be good if you could share the results of your research so other open hardware projects can get an idea of what a custom case might cost, and see how different manufacturing methods compare. It might also stop us suggesting things you've already investigated an rejected! Also exactly how low is low volume? Given the differences in setup costs for different manufacturing methods it could make a huge difference to the unit cost. All methods have setup cost (once) and cost per unit. Some methods have to repeat setup cost avery n units (e.g. silicon moulds made from Stereolitography). Our results so far (I can't share all of them): STL + Silicone moulds: 2000 EUR setup + 50 EUR each every 100 units Injection Moulds: 25000 EUR setup + 20 EUR per unit 3D-Printing: no setup, 400 EUR every unit (quality doubtful) Milling from ABS block: no setup, 500 EUR every unit So 1-10 units does not come below 250 EUR. 100 units may come to 70 EUR. 1000 units to 45 EUR. 10k to 22.50 EUR. You see the volume effect and clear preference of injection moulds. Which also give best quality... All these are lower estimates on industrial (not hobbyist) quality and based on 3D CAD files from Openmoko and does not include control of the process (someone must spend time to initiate and keep it running). Experience shows that real project cost is twice as high as the estimate... Thanks. I'm surprised milling comes with no setup cost. Automated tool paths must have come on somewhat since I last looked, but that was probably longer ago than it seems. Laser cutting was not yet amongst the production methods. Please try to get an estimate for setup cost (e.g. converting CAD data) and unit cost (material plus machine operation time). Laser cutting isn't suitable for making the existing case design, so converting the cad data wouldn't be an issue. This would be a new design tailored to the production method. It's a fast and accurate way to cut shapes from (usually) sheet materials. Edge quality is good with the right materials, including ABS and especially acrylic. Setup costs are low to zero, particularly if you can supply a DXF with the outlines already offset for the cut width and set out on the sheet. You can get a rough idea of the capabilities at: http://www.pololu.com/docs/0J24/4 Prices from that site for one offs are low enough to be worth further investigation, at least for small numbers of cases. It may be time to try prototyping some ideas in cardboard... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: backup battery and case screws questions
В Пнд, 25/10/2010 в 11:14 -0400, Benjamin Deering пишет: It looks like I will be following your advice. The hazmat shipping for the lithium batteries was going to be 175% of the price. I just ordered some supercaps instead. Ben On 10/24/2010 12:51 PM, Martix wrote: I suggest using double-layer super capacitor* intead of Lithium backup battery. These capacitors stores energy for a long time, like a battery and they have much longer lifetime. 0,2 F capacity should be enough for RTC backup on several hours, maybe days. * http://cz.farnell.com/jsp/search/browse.jsp?N=1002210+5117013+5087727+5400445No=0getResults=trueappliedparametrics=truelocale=cs_CZcatalogId=prevNValues=1002210+5117013filtersHidden=falseappliedHidden=falseoriginalQueryURL=%2Fjsp%2Fsearch%2Fbrowse.jsp%3FN%3D1002210%26No%3D0%26getResults%3Dtrue%26appliedparametrics%3Dtrue%26locale%3Dcs_CZ%26catalogId%3D%26prevNValues%3D1002210 I noticed in PCF manual: Save [about power states] In save state is supplied from either system voltage ... or backup battery ... . Only ... and real-time click will be active. __The GPIOs will maintain their state__ . Can 'maintaining GPIO state' be cause of our poor backup battery performance? Please, do not forget to share results. I'm not hw engineer guy, but read about this capacitors and they sound exactly what's needed! Personally i desoldered backup battery long ago (easy btw), found it is dead and still can't find any replacement. Gennady. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
busted moko, anyone want it?
so. my moko is broko. screen has a nick in it, usb connector broke off and was poorly soldered back on, a switch to the micro sd is broken off and it will not boot. right now it is in a box next to my computer. anyone want it for something other then collecting dust? location is los angeles. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: pisi calendar sync over caldav?
Well. Sry. I'm atm busy with building a RepRap (Huxley) Good luck with the reprap :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
- besides Vietnam, Czech is another country that can provide moulds at competitive prices Cases like that of the Freerunner, with more than one plastic, need more than one mould per piece. To say more of the price, it is necessary to have the design available. The Maybe you can ask your friend if he has some contacts to Czech companies (which would be EU I will probably meet him next weekend and ask. I will let you know. have the CAD files of the original Freerunner. On the wiki, of course. I had a closer look at the exploded view of the FR/Neo; there's an awful lot of layers involved. Three(!) just for the backplane, that's about three times as many as I expected two days ago :-/ The image even seems to miss the outer cover of the middle part (the rubbery layer on top of the casing that holds the bulk of the phone and the buttons and such) most affordable option he says, would be to reuse Openmoko's mould if it is available. Yes, I discussed that approach with Sean for quite a while and his team worked heavily on it (TNX :). But they don't own or have the moulds in their hands. Funny how those things go... They'll be in FIC's hands then, I'd guess. They do not seem to be in phone/MID business anymore so there's no competitive (dis)advantage to worry about, and even if they were, I can imagine they'd start all over and design something different. Meaning those moulds are gathering dust somewhere on a shelf. Well, just pondering; it doesn't get us closer to a case ;-) Best regards, Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
2010-10...@21:09 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller The mould for the Power button is less expensive: approx. 1500 EUR. I.e. 10 buttons @ 150 EUR each :) mmh... why not include the button(s) in the same mould? it could be a shape like a C= attached to the main shape by a little plastic for the light of our leds we could make grids and holes... or we could also do an all transparent case (I'd love to see trough to view the electronic inside) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: busted moko, anyone want it?
On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 14:07:16 -0700 jeremy jozwik jerjoz.for...@gmail.com wrote: so. my moko is broko. screen has a nick in it, usb connector broke off and was poorly soldered back on, a switch to the micro sd is broken off and it will not boot. right now it is in a box next to my computer. anyone want it for something other then collecting dust? location is los angeles. I've been itching to get a spare one myself (I use mine heavily as a regular phone). Ideally I'd prefer one that can be fixed but I'd appreciate one that's only good for spare parts. Are you looking for anything other than shipping covered? Let me know off list if you like I'd be happy to try and give it a good home. Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: busted moko, anyone want it?
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Brian bn...@rochester.rr.com wrote: I've been itching to get a spare one myself (I use mine heavily as a regular phone). Ideally I'd prefer one that can be fixed but I'd appreciate one that's only good for spare parts. Are you looking for anything other than shipping covered? Let me know off list if you like I'd be happy to try and give it a good home. shipping only. everything /was/ in working order prior to my attempt at removing the screen. i can give you photos of current condition if you are interested ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
2010-10...@00:46 Alfa21 for the light of our leds we could make grids and holes... or we could also do an all transparent case (I'd love to see trough to view the electronic inside) ah and this is also to underline that our open project has nothing to hide! ;) (and one day maybe someone could also add a solar cell modding on the back side) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: busted moko, anyone want it?
On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 15:49:33 -0700 jeremy jozwik jerjoz.for...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Brian bn...@rochester.rr.com wrote: I've been itching to get a spare one myself (I use mine heavily as a regular phone). Ideally I'd prefer one that can be fixed but I'd appreciate one that's only good for spare parts. Are you looking for anything other than shipping covered? Let me know off list if you like I'd be happy to try and give it a good home. shipping only. everything /was/ in working order prior to my attempt at removing the screen. i can give you photos of current condition if you are interested I'm interested and replied off list check your email and get back to me when convenient. Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
for the light of our leds we could make grids and holes... or we could also do an all transparent case (I'd love to see trough to view the electronic inside) sounds cool ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
