Re: Someone is trying to patent Quickwriting
Cross-posting for broadcasting Justus idea. On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 00:00, Justus Winter 4win...@informatik.uni-hamburg.de wrote: I am also tempted to mail the person(s?) behind 8pen addressing my concerns about his attempt to patent the idea, maybe even challenge his position stating that I would not recognize his claim. I believe the company is based in France (information is a scarce resource on both the 8pen and the companies (3qubits) one, I did a whois query). I'd be very interested whether such a patent is enforceable within the EU... I already did a few days ago; just a couple of mails... the interest part is this: === message received from them === Dear Daniele, In fact we did not know about the Quickwriting method that you have pointed out to us. It strikes us as an incredible coincidence. We're not interested in engaging into a legal debate, but in the development of an efficient alternative to conventional keyboards on small devices. However, intellectual property law does apply, and copying the 8pen does violate it within the scope set by the patent previously referred to. We're not dealing personally with issues that are in conflict with our patent, or that violate it, but we have instead passed them on to the lawyers who have filed it. === my reply Dear Daniele, In fact we did not know about the Quickwriting method that you have pointed out to us. It strikes us as an incredible coincidence. We're not interested in engaging into a legal debate, but in the development of an efficient alternative to conventional keyboards on small devices. Me neither I am interested in a legal debate, I just wanted to let you know that your idea is not original, thus it can't be applied for patenting. Anyway we'll wait for your patent approval. However, intellectual property law does apply, and copying the 8pen does violate it within the scope set by the patent previously referred to. We're not dealing personally with issues that are in conflict with our patent, or that violate it, but we have instead passed them on to the lawyers who have filed it. Of course i won't name my program 8pen for Linux. I guess editing Quickwriting to use 4 zones instead of 9 would violate your patent too? If Quickwriting was easily configurable to change the number of zones, how could this be handled? = end = Would anybody care to join me on this one? We could create a message or a message template and ask everyone send this message to the person behind the 8pen (crowdsourcing seems to be the catchy phrase for this approach...). Cheers, Justus Sure, i'm with you 110% :-) -- Daniele ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone is trying to patent Quickwriting
I think the concept behind quickwriting is unrelated to the numbers of zones but the way you use them to write. http://mrl.nyu.edu/~perlin/experiments/quikwriting/ The basic conceit of Quikwriting is that you make a character by moving your pen first out of, and then back into, a central resting done. So drawing a character is sort of like drawing a flower petal. Below is the very first demo I made for it btw, in this page I read also: Then several things happened. Microsoft got interested in it and licensed it from NYU (thereby helping to support our research!) so, I think it's not free :P On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Daniele Ricci daniele.ath...@gmail.com wrote: Cross-posting for broadcasting Justus idea. On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 00:00, Justus Winter 4win...@informatik.uni-hamburg.de wrote: I am also tempted to mail the person(s?) behind 8pen addressing my concerns about his attempt to patent the idea, maybe even challenge his position stating that I would not recognize his claim. I believe the company is based in France (information is a scarce resource on both the 8pen and the companies (3qubits) one, I did a whois query). I'd be very interested whether such a patent is enforceable within the EU... I already did a few days ago; just a couple of mails... the interest part is this: === message received from them === Dear Daniele, In fact we did not know about the Quickwriting method that you have pointed out to us. It strikes us as an incredible coincidence. We're not interested in engaging into a legal debate, but in the development of an efficient alternative to conventional keyboards on small devices. However, intellectual property law does apply, and copying the 8pen does violate it within the scope set by the patent previously referred to. We're not dealing personally with issues that are in conflict with our patent, or that violate it, but we have instead passed them on to the lawyers who have filed it. === my reply Dear Daniele, In fact we did not know about the Quickwriting method that you have pointed out to us. It strikes us as an incredible coincidence. We're not interested in engaging into a legal debate, but in the development of an efficient alternative to conventional keyboards on small devices. Me neither I am interested in a legal debate, I just wanted to let you know that your idea is not original, thus it can't be applied for patenting. Anyway we'll wait for your patent approval. However, intellectual property law does apply, and copying the 8pen does violate it within the scope set by the patent previously referred to. We're not dealing personally with issues that are in conflict with our patent, or that violate it, but we have instead passed them on to the lawyers who have filed it. Of course i won't name my program 8pen for Linux. I guess editing Quickwriting to use 4 zones instead of 9 would violate your patent too? If Quickwriting was easily configurable to change the number of zones, how could this be handled? = end = Would anybody care to join me on this one? We could create a message or a message template and ask everyone send this message to the person behind the 8pen (crowdsourcing seems to be the catchy phrase for this approach...). Cheers, Justus Sure, i'm with you 110% :-) -- Daniele ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone is trying to patent Quickwriting
On Tuesday 16 November 2010, Daniele Ricci wrote: Cross-posting for broadcasting Justus idea. [snip...] On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 00:00, Justus Winter Would anybody care to join me on this one? We could create a message or a message template and ask everyone send this message to the person behind the 8pen (crowdsourcing seems to be the catchy phrase for this approach...). Cheers, Justus Sure, i'm with you 110% :-) Has anyone contacted Ken Perlin or NYU about this yet? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone is trying to patent Quickwriting
btw, in this page I read also: Then several things happened. Microsoft got interested in it and licensed it from NYU (thereby helping to support our research!) so, I think it's not free :P Not necessarily. There can be dual licensing, like in MySQP, which would allow for a not-for-profit or open source licensing. You really have to contact the copyright holder or their agent, who in this case seems to be NYU. And whether an implementation transcends their patent is an issue for technologists and lawyers. md ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone is trying to patent Quickwriting
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 12:00, community-requ...@lists.openmoko.org wrote: From: Alfa21-mobile freerun...@my.is.it To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:07:51 +0100 Subject: Re: Someone is trying to patent Quickwriting I think the concept behind quickwriting is unrelated to the numbers of zones but the way you use them to write. http://mrl.nyu.edu/~perlin/experiments/quikwriting/ The basic conceit of Quikwriting is that you make a character by moving your pen first out of, and then back into, a central resting done. So drawing a character is sort of like drawing a flower petal. Below is the very first demo I made for it btw, in this page I read also: Then several things happened. Microsoft got interested in it and licensed it from NYU (thereby helping to support our research!) so, I think it's not free :P So I guess that QWO implementation is outlaw... :S REPLY ALL PLEASE! -- Daniele ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: orrery crashing X
Il giorno lun, 15/11/2010 alle 22.15 +0100, Martin Jansa ha scritto: Xorg crash fixed http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=a02d3d0eefe03576c33294b4201fdbe6bde21cde Cool! Now also midori doesn't crash any more on tab-switch! :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone is trying to patent Quickwriting
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org wrote: Not necessarily. There can be dual licensing, like in MySQP, which would allow for a not-for-profit or open source licensing. you are right, but they are not saying it's for free neither. I tried to contact that email address for nyu licensing but it's not an active mailbox :S (bounced email) also tried to email perlin but no response. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
MeeGo 1.1 for FreeRunner?
Does anyone know how difficult it would be to port MeeGo to the FreeRunner? After all, we don't have enough distro's yet (-= Cheers, John Gay ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MeeGo 1.1 for FreeRunner?
On Tuesday 16 November 2010, Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE) wrote: Does anyone know how difficult it would be to port MeeGo to the FreeRunner? After all, we don't have enough distro's yet (-= http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Porting_Guide All looks rosy until you get to the bit about requiring the Khronos graphics APIs. If you look at the draft spec you'll see they don't currently support our old ARM architecture, and I guess they're unlikely to add it. Then again they haven't defined the requirements for the handset profile yet. I could be being overly negative though, so feel free to ask over on the meego-porting list mentioned in the guide. We already have bootloader, kernel and drivers, and working X. We already use connman, and iirc someone added Calypso support to ofono for the FR already. If it wasn't for the graphics it should be a 'simple' matter of writing the required configs and setting the build system going ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MeeGo 1.1 for FreeRunner?
2010/11/16 Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE) john@ge.com: Does anyone know how difficult it would be to port MeeGo to the FreeRunner? Well, it would require re-compiling MeeGo for ARMv4. I've been thinking about it, but more likely though I'll take a look at the handset UIs available and see about packaging such things to Debian... after all, I don't see that much extra value in a new distro as such, but I would see benefit in any handheld suitable applications/UIs that come out of MeeGo. Of course, both should be fun to do which is what matters... -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
