openBmap: API troubles
Hi, I'm just trying to access your API as described at http://openbmap.org/api/getGPSfromWifi.html but with no success. These are the RAW data I send to realtimeblog.free.fr: POST /api/getGPSfromWifiAPBSSID.php5 HTTP/1.1 Host: realtimeblog.free.fr Accept: text/xml, application/xml, */* Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded Content-Length: 18 bssid=0EFEFF7D2194 It should be a valid POST-request but I don't get back anything, no HTTP response, nothing, the host just closes the connection. What could be wrong in my request? Michael -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New $200 tablet?
[cut] This look very interesting. Can’t wait to get my hands on one. It is written 200 EURO, not dollars ($). Makes a difference. -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New $200 tablet?
On 01/30/2012 06:41 AM, Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE) wrote: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2012/01/reveal.html This look very interesting. Can't wait to get my hands on one. It does indeed look interesting, but it's not $200, it's EUR200 (at current exchange rates puts that at around 262 USD, a notable difference.) Anyways, it could definitely be a fun device to play with. :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New $200 tablet?
On Monday 30 January 2012 15:42:14 Patryk Benderz wrote: [cut] This look very interesting. Can’t wait to get my hands on one. It is written 200 EURO, not dollars ($). Makes a difference. No mention of tax either. It's certainly interesting, especially in light of the Lima driver project for the ARM Mali, but we need more details. It looks rather like the ZT280-C71 which is usually somewhat cheaper, but whose manufacturer doesn't seem to have released kernel source. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New $200 tablet?
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 17:53, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: On Monday 30 January 2012 15:42:14 Patryk Benderz wrote: [cut] This look very interesting. Can’t wait to get my hands on one. It is written 200 EURO, not dollars ($). Makes a difference. No mention of tax either. It's certainly interesting, especially in light of the Lima driver project for the ARM Mali, but we need more details. It looks rather like the ZT280-C71 which is usually somewhat cheaper, but whose manufacturer doesn't seem to have released kernel source. You are right. It should be noted that this is by no means any new hardware developed for KDE specifically. This hardware is already widely available for some time, in dozens (if not far more) of variants. I found similar hardware starting at about EUR 70 and the exact same hardware starting at about EUR 100. In Europe it seems to be most commonly sold as Zenithink C71 which is optically and hardware-wise fully identical to the Spark, in China I found it at least under 20 other names with the same hardware, and much more with slightly different specs. Many of them are intentionally sold as cheap i$random_apple_product clones. I haven't found out which company actually builds the device, though I'm pretty sure it's none of those found in the product names. All of those are likely based on AMLogic's reference board designs, and there is NO LINUX UPSTREAM support for either the SoC or the board. Also, there is NO SOURCE CODE available publicly (maybe with the exception of one github repository which seems to have at least some code) which means that all companies currently selling this device are violating the GPL. There are also no proper spec sheets, datasheets, or code references in any way. It is to hope, that the KDE guys are interested enough to have everything properly open sourced to be GPL compliant, though I fear they - like most open source projects - don't have the pull on Chinese hardware OEMs to change a horrible situation to a good situation. Anyway - in my opinion so far this is a lot of fuzz about hardly anything. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New $200 tablet?
On Monday 30 January 2012 18:52:19 Thomas Gstädtner wrote: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 17:53, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: On Monday 30 January 2012 15:42:14 Patryk Benderz wrote: [cut] This look very interesting. Can’t wait to get my hands on one. It is written 200 EURO, not dollars ($). Makes a difference. No mention of tax either. It's certainly interesting, especially in light of the Lima driver project for the ARM Mali, but we need more details. It looks rather like the ZT280-C71 which is usually somewhat cheaper, but whose manufacturer doesn't seem to have released kernel source. You are right. It should be noted that this is by no means any new hardware developed for KDE specifically. This hardware is already widely available for some time, in dozens (if not far more) of variants. I found similar hardware starting at about EUR 70 and the exact same hardware starting at about EUR 100. In Europe it seems to be most commonly sold as Zenithink C71 which is optically and hardware-wise fully identical to the Spark, in China I found it at least under 20 other names with the same hardware, and much more with slightly different specs. Many of them are intentionally sold as cheap i$random_apple_product clones. I haven't found out which company actually builds the device, though I'm pretty sure it's none of those found in the product names. All of those are likely based on AMLogic's reference board designs, and there is NO LINUX UPSTREAM support for either the SoC or the board. Also, there is NO SOURCE CODE available publicly (maybe with the exception of one github repository which seems to have at least some code) which means that all companies currently selling this device are violating the GPL. It may not be upstream, but AMLogic do seem to be publishing source. If everyone is using a reference design it might just work ;-) It looks like their reference bootloader is uboot too. http://openlinux.amlogic.com/wiki/index.php/Arm http://openlinux.amlogic.com/download/linux/GPL_code_release/ The lack of source from OEM and below is nothing new - it's just more obvious than with the routers and STBs where it's been happening for years unfortunately. There are also no proper spec sheets, datasheets, or code references in any way. It is to hope, that the KDE guys are interested enough to have everything properly open sourced to be GPL compliant, though I fear they - like most open source projects - don't have the pull on Chinese hardware OEMs to change a horrible situation to a good situation. I'll live in hope until there's a proper release. Anyway - in my opinion so far this is a lot of fuzz about hardly anything. It'll be one of very few tablets that run linux without needing an anti-vendor port. That's a good thing in my book, even if it's not ideal. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTA04A4 starts shipping tomorrow
Dear all, you may have wondered a lot why it was so quiet about the GTA04A4 boards in the last weeks. And nobody did report about unboxing experiences, because nobody did receive a new GTA04. The reasons where manifold. It started with soldering issues where they had to make a new stencil. This improved soldering quality a little but it was still not perfect. So we got much less good boards out of the soldering machine than planned and chips had to be replaced... Then, we did test the boards completely. It turned out that they still had some minor issues. The most maddening bug was that there was an error in the GND flooding of the backup battery. Therefore it was shorted on the PCB and could not work. After fixing this and testing more, we found out that the new circuit that is intended to allow the CPU to control the power of the UMTS modem through a GPIO did not work as intended. Rather than shutting completely down it did put the module into reset state. This would have been ok, if reset would be the same as power down. But the module draws 16 mA in this state. Even more than a not powered down modem in the GTA04A3 boards which draws 3-10 mA and can wake up the CPU... So we finally found a way to solder a NPN transistor with built-in bias resistor to the position of some test pads and other resistors to make it work. This made us again bring the boards to the factory and have them do some hand-rework. And wait some days... Then, last week, we got the first boards that did pass all automatic tests and could power down completely (to some 300 uA for RTC). Happily we did install them into the first GTA02 cases to build the OpenPhoenux (GTA04 Complete) units. They worked fine, until we wanted to operate the GPS. It did not work well with internal antenna, but really excellently with an external antenna (up to 11 of 12 satellites used for navigation). We found out that the U.FL antenna socket was mounted in the wrong orientation (180 degrees rotated). This shorts the power supply of the internal Antenna (which has an amplifier built in). So, boards did go to rework again. Now, GPS with internal antenna was a little better, but still very weak. After 3 days of intensive research (incl. this weekend) we did find the root cause: it is the same as it was for the GTA02A5 board [1]. The SD card clock. It is 25 MHz and 25 * 63 = 1575 MHz, i.e. the GPS frequency. This means that the GTA04 creates some noise which is neglectable in more than 5cm distance with an external antenna, but not for the active GPS antenna built into the case. And some boards and antennas are a little better and others are a little worse so that it results in a basically working, but very unreilable receiver. The main problem was to find a measurement setup that gave reproducible results so that we could not only compare devices, swap antennas and try different shielding scenarios, but also check the effectiveness of measures against the problem. Like with the GTA02 there is a hardware and a software fix. The SW fix was to re-enable a feature in the 2.6.32 kernel that we had disabled due to problems with the SDIO driver. It appears that it is not at all necessary to change anything in the 3.2 kernel. So please forget immediately that there is a SW fix :) Because it fixes our unawareness and not a problem... The real hardware fix is adding a small capacitor like for the GTA02A5. You may wonder why we did not find it earlier. One aspect is testing time. The more testing you do the more issues you find. But we simply did not have enough GTA04A3 boards to do these tests... This time it was better and we could set up, test and compare e.g. 5 GTA04A4 boards in parallel. And swap antennas between units etc. This simply was not possible before. So after having applied this last hand-rework, we have the first boards and devices that are in our opinion good enough to really be shipped and make you happy! More boards will become available next week. And we have some boards to show during FOSDEM next weekend. So please come and have a look! Finally, it is still time to subscribe to the Group Tour (which will get another board redesign where all these things are done right from the beginning - but otherwise they are equivalent). Nikolaus [1]: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New $200 tablet?
Am 30.01.2012 um 15:42 schrieb Patryk Benderz: [cut] This look very interesting. Can’t wait to get my hands on one. It is written 200 EURO, not dollars ($). Makes a difference. Most likely it is 200 EUR w/o taxes, WEEE and many other duties like warranties etc. And @ 1 Mio units :) Without calculating engineering cost (i.e. there will never be fixes, updates and upgrades). OpenPandora and GTA04 have both shown how difficult it is to get to a really low price in practice at limited volume. And OLPC also never did meet its goals (at least not within a short timeframe). It only works if someone heavily subsidizes each unit of a small batch and/or has the capital to kickstart the first really big batch. And there are also many examples how even big companies had to clear their stock at a dumping price to limit further financial loss. E.g. HP Touchpad. Or some model that already exists is tweaked to become a community device. But there will be no successor product and enough openness as many examples have shown. So let's see how they do it sustainably. Maybe they have found some trick, I would be happy to learn about :) Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New $200 tablet?
Anyway - in my opinion so far this is a lot of fuzz about hardly anything. It'll be one of very few tablets that run linux without needing an anti-vendor port. That's a good thing in my book, even if it's not ideal. It was an intersting experience when we did the Letux 400 3 years ago. It already came with Linux (2.4.20) and there was a 2.6.24 kernel. And a 2.6.31 project. I.e. a full netbook with Debian and WLAN @ 129 EUR. A nice machine when it came out. And still nice to open and learn electronics (schematics are public). Anyways, we still have some of them [1]... Nobody was/is interested in a really low cost device. It very soon lacks important features and the processor is outdated. This is the reason why we strive for high-end in the GTA04. Even if it makes it expensive for the masses. This avoids becoming obsolete before it starts shipping. Nikolaus [1]: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Letux%20400 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New $200 tablet?
Have a look at this site .. http://www.merimobiles.com/MID_V7_Android_2_2_VIA_VM8650_800Mhz_p/meri0619.htm They have many such variants of Android .. Minimum one is just $72 and even though if you get it shipped with the best possible manner .i.e EMS Express 6-8 Days .. the total will be 72 + 22 = $94 i.e. just Euros 70 . I definitely know there must be some other cheap variants as well all from China and have almost the same configuration. On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Anyway - in my opinion so far this is a lot of fuzz about hardly anything. It'll be one of very few tablets that run linux without needing an anti-vendor port. That's a good thing in my book, even if it's not ideal. It was an intersting experience when we did the Letux 400 3 years ago. It already came with Linux (2.4.20) and there was a 2.6.24 kernel. And a 2.6.31 project. I.e. a full netbook with Debian and WLAN @ 129 EUR. A nice machine when it came out. And still nice to open and learn electronics (schematics are public). Anyways, we still have some of them [1]... Nobody was/is interested in a really low cost device. It very soon lacks important features and the processor is outdated. This is the reason why we strive for high-end in the GTA04. Even if it makes it expensive for the masses. This avoids becoming obsolete before it starts shipping. Nikolaus [1]: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Letux%20400 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: New $200 tablet?
On Monday, January 30, 2012 09:18:09 PM Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 30.01.2012 um 15:42 schrieb Patryk Benderz: [cut] This look very interesting. Can’t wait to get my hands on one. It is written 200 EURO, not dollars ($). Makes a difference. Most likely it is 200 EUR w/o taxes, WEEE and many other duties like warranties etc. And @ 1 Mio units :) Without calculating engineering cost (i.e. there will never be fixes, updates and upgrades). OpenPandora and GTA04 have both shown how difficult it is to get to a really low price in practice at limited volume. And OLPC also never did meet its goals (at least not within a short timeframe). It only works if someone heavily subsidizes each unit of a small batch and/or has the capital to kickstart the first really big batch. And there are also many examples how even big companies had to clear their stock at a dumping price to limit further financial loss. E.g. HP Touchpad. Or some model that already exists is tweaked to become a community device. But there will be no successor product and enough openness as many examples have shown. So let's see how they do it sustainably. Maybe they have found some trick, I would be happy to learn about :) Nikolaus From the blog post, it sounded like this is going to be the first device where they start with lower specs from an existing reference design (which others have pointed out go for as low as 70-100 Euro) with a higher price to then fund other devices. The line I'm thinking of specifically is Just as important: the proceeds will be helping fuel the efforts that make this all possible. Now, I have no idea how feasible this would end up being, as it likely largely depends upon descent sales and how much is profit. So, on one hand, it sounds like they're trying to get something to market quite quickly with an open source software stack (without any lock downs, a definite plus), but on the other hand, it is a lower spec machine (with no official ship date.) All in all, I'm cautiously optimistic this could be a good thing :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Installing v35
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 02:25:54 +1100 Philip Rhoades p...@pricom.com.au wrote: I used: dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage-v35.bin dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D qtmoko-debian-v35.ubi dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D qi-v35.udfu I've got a Freerunner with no working NAND boot (ie pressing the Power key does nothing). I've just tried to put on v35 with those commands but still there is no response from the Power key. Booting from NOR results in CRC error bad data Checksum can't get kernel image I've tried a few installs of the kernel whose md5sum is 907917848c8437f8f4126b8a971b06da uImage-v35.bin any help available? Liz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New $200 tablet?
Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE) john@ge.com writes: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2012/01/reveal.html I hope it will be capable of running mainline kernels and any GNU/Linux ecosystem software, not just KDE. I think Plasma Active looks pretty nice and interesting, and look forward to being able to try it, but all the same I hope this tablet will not be in some way _tied_ to KDE, or to a system image that only the manufacturer can provide. (cf. Maemo.) Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Installing v35
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:18:27 +1100 Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 02:25:54 +1100 Philip Rhoades p...@pricom.com.au wrote: I used: dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage-v35.bin dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D qtmoko-debian-v35.ubi dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D qi-v35.udfu I've got a Freerunner with no working NAND boot (ie pressing the Power key does nothing). I've just tried to put on v35 with those commands but still there is no response from the Power key. Booting from NOR results in CRC error bad data Checksum can't get kernel image I've tried a few installs of the kernel whose md5sum is 907917848c8437f8f4126b8a971b06da uImage-v35.bin any help available? Liz I tried flashing the NAND with a few other bootloaders. What I have now is that pushing the Power key gives me NOR boot. I can boot an old Om2008 I've got here but after that I lost touchscreen input again Original QT was working last night - but I don't have a copy of that kernel and image any more. NOR boot can only boot off SD card if FAT + ext2 and so it can't read the debian on ext3 that I made. What options do I have to get qtmoko working? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Installing v35
On Tuesday 31 January 2012 05:39:59 Liz wrote: I tried flashing the NAND with a few other bootloaders. What I have now is that pushing the Power key gives me NOR boot. First i think you are mixing POWER and AUX button: POWER = the circle button near the USB connector AUX = the rectangular button on the same side as headphones jack and you are mixing NOR and NAND: NOR = the readonly memory with original uboot NAND = writable memory with your kernel+rootfs+bootloader I think you should first enter NOR boot: hold AUX then press POWER. You will see uboot menu. Now plug USB cable and flash to NAND kernel+rootfs+bootloader: dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage-v35.bin dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D qtmoko-debian-v35.ubi dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D qi-v35.udfu Power off the phone and remove your SD card. Now just shortly press POWER. The phone will blink with LED and vibrate (this is done by qi bootloader) and should start booting. I can boot an old Om2008 I've got here but after that I lost touchscreen input again Original QT was working last night - but I don't have a copy of that kernel and image any more. I think you can forget about booting old kernels and using NOR bootloader. They are bugged. NOR boot can only boot off SD card if FAT + ext2 and so it can't read the debian on ext3 that I made. Qi bootloader can boot from SD card with ext3 partition. You just need to unpack the qtmoko release tarball on SD card. What options do I have to get qtmoko working? You can have qtmoko on SD card or on NAND. For bootloader you must use NAND bootloader which is activated *just with POWER button*. You can use qi (recommended) or some uboot from gena2x - you have to search a bit for it. Good luck Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Installing v35
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:07:57 +0100 Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: On Tuesday 31 January 2012 05:39:59 Liz wrote: I tried flashing the NAND with a few other bootloaders. What I have now is that pushing the Power key gives me NOR boot. First i think you are mixing POWER and AUX button: POWER = the circle button near the USB connector AUX = the rectangular button on the same side as headphones jack and you are mixing NOR and NAND: NOR = the readonly memory with original uboot NAND = writable memory with your kernel+rootfs+bootloader I think you should first enter NOR boot: hold AUX then press POWER. You will see uboot menu. Now plug USB cable and flash to NAND kernel+rootfs+bootloader: dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage-v35.bin dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D qtmoko-debian-v35.ubi dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D qi-v35.udfu Power off the phone and remove your SD card. Now just shortly press POWER. The phone will blink with LED and vibrate (this is done by qi bootloader) and should start booting. I can boot an old Om2008 I've got here but after that I lost touchscreen input again Original QT was working last night - but I don't have a copy of that kernel and image any more. I think you can forget about booting old kernels and using NOR bootloader. They are bugged. NOR boot can only boot off SD card if FAT + ext2 and so it can't read the debian on ext3 that I made. Qi bootloader can boot from SD card with ext3 partition. You just need to unpack the qtmoko release tarball on SD card. What options do I have to get qtmoko working? You can have qtmoko on SD card or on NAND. For bootloader you must use NAND bootloader which is activated *just with POWER button*. You can use qi (recommended) or some uboot from gena2x - you have to search a bit for it. Good luck Radek Sadly, I don't have Power and Aux buttons confused. I don't have access to NAND from the Power button. Both boot methods start the NOR bootloader. I have loaded those three files into those places and the phone doesn't boot, it says there is a checksum error. I checked the md5sum with sourceforge, and it matches. I've got a SD card with the tarball unpacked onto it, and the phone won't boot that - because I have no Qi bootloader that I can access from the Power key. Last installed was the uboot from gena2x with a default config file, but still this does not work. I need some other ideas, please. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
