Re: [WikiReader] Updates available
Thanks for news Douglas, just updated and now I've it with latest update and no problems :) On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 4:02 AM, Douglas Jones dj...@frombob.to wrote: I just noticed that the base files and many of the wikis have been updated recently: http://dev.thewikireader.com/**language-packs/http://dev.thewikireader.com/language-packs/ __**_ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/**mailman/listinfo/communityhttp://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Felix ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ubuntu / Firefox OS for Openmoko
Hi, i am ambiguous about that. I think we have already enough Operating Systems with QtMoko and SHR and Replicant. (Did i miss a really working distro?) But, as it seems to me, we don't have enough software developers, and as Mozilla and Ubuntu are big projects, this seems to be a way to use their ressources to get some nice features to our phones. i don't know anything about the OSs themself to evaluate them. And i don't know if they are really interested in working with us, as you wrote, they are searching big players I think the question is if we have people on our side who want to start such an project (and try to drag some of their developers in). greets, Thamos Am 11.01.2013 11:38, schrieb Christoph Pulster: Hi, I am interested what you think about Ubuntu Smartphone version and Firefix OS in combination with Openmoko hardware. As far as I understand, both are looking for a big player in the smartphone hardware market to establish their software platform on the mobile market. Wouldnt be the combination of open source hardware in shape of Openmoko (GTA04 !) and open soruce software a nice idea ? Christoph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Debian on freerunner
Hi guys, I'm trying to install Debian on the FR. I get stuck when downloading the packages because it doesn't find/download coreutils... any suggestions? Thanks d ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ubuntu / Firefox OS for Openmoko
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Thamos tiger...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, i am ambiguous about that. I think we have already enough Operating Systems with QtMoko and SHR and Replicant. (Did i miss a really working distro?) But, as it seems to me, we don't have enough software developers, and as Mozilla and Ubuntu are big projects, this seems to be a way to use their ressources to get some nice features to our phones. i don't know anything about the OSs themself to evaluate them. And i don't know if they are really interested in working with us, as you wrote, they are searching big players I think the question is if we have people on our side who want to start such an project (and try to drag some of their developers in). greets, Thamos Personally, I think that all we need is some good marketing inside the community. For many people that do not track Openmoko by themselves, this project is dead. When I mention it to someone, reaction is very often is it still alive? Really?. Ubuntu and Firefox OS may be good opportunities to use for marketing. A lot of people inside those two communities will be interested in a phone that is completely free and allows them to run systems they're working on without fighting with some closed source binaries. This will also attract FLOSS-extremists (sorry for term, just couldn't find out anything better at the moment :D) to those OSes, so benefits will be mutual. I think that's the way we should promote ourselves right now. Instead of aiming for end users, we can attract developers of those projects. Most of them probably doesn't know about GTA04 at all, or think about it as a Freerunner-zombie, which won't last long. If we're able to show them that OpenPhoenux exists and is constantly progressing, without repeating Openmoko mistakes from past, then developers for sure will be interested. Interested developers - platform support - way to reach end-users. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak, dos http://dosowisko.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ubuntu / Firefox OS for Openmoko
2013/1/11 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak d...@dosowisko.net On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Thamos tiger...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, i am ambiguous about that. I think we have already enough Operating Systems with QtMoko and SHR and Replicant. (Did i miss a really working distro?) But, as it seems to me, we don't have enough software developers, and as Mozilla and Ubuntu are big projects, this seems to be a way to use their ressources to get some nice features to our phones. i don't know anything about the OSs themself to evaluate them. And i don't know if they are really interested in working with us, as you wrote, they are searching big players I think the question is if we have people on our side who want to start such an project (and try to drag some of their developers in). greets, Thamos Personally, I think that all we need is some good marketing inside the community. For many people that do not track Openmoko by themselves, this project is dead. When I mention it to someone, reaction is very often is it still alive? Really?. Ubuntu and Firefox OS may be good opportunities to use for marketing. A lot of people inside those two communities will be interested in a phone that is completely free and allows them to run systems they're working on without fighting with some closed source binaries. This will also attract FLOSS-extremists (sorry for term, just couldn't find out anything better at the moment :D) to those OSes, so benefits will be mutual. I think that's the way we should promote ourselves right now. Instead of aiming for end users, we can attract developers of those projects. Most of them probably doesn't know about GTA04 at all, or think about it as a Freerunner-zombie, which won't last long. If we're able to show them that OpenPhoenux exists and is constantly progressing, without repeating Openmoko mistakes from past, then developers for sure will be interested. Interested developers - platform support - way to reach end-users. +1 I share all the opinions of Sebastian: trying to put a bridge between all these projects make definitively sense. And it's probably nothing more than advertising about the vitality of the OpenMoko project. At the same time, it's easy for me to say that as I'm unable to invest in this fantastic project. -- Guilhem BONNEFILLE -=- JID: gu...@im.apinc.org MSN: guilhem_bonnefi...@hotmail.com -=- mailto:guilhem.bonnefi...@gmail.com -=- http://nathguil.free.fr/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ubuntu / Firefox OS for Openmoko
On Friday, January 11, 2013 05:04:28 PM Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: Ubuntu and Firefox OS may be good opportunities to use for marketing. Yup, i think if we were the first HW that runs Firefox OS and Ubuntu this could make our phone mentioned in some bigger magazines and make some noise. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on freerunner
Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com writes: Hi guys, I'm trying to install Debian on the FR. I get stuck when downloading the packages because it doesn't find/download coreutils... You should send the full output of the install.sh script. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ubuntu / Firefox OS for Openmoko
Hi I guess parts of the answer to the question are already spread through this thread: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community/62745 Generally speaking I think having an option to what runs on a device is heaven, but only if you are a developer or interested in linux and are willing to have some rough edges or at least have someone who can help out; I say this as my parents and parents in law both run linux and they don't miss anything, but I can also solve most of their problems. The biggest problem I see with the GTA04 is the very limited amount of active developers and the reliability of the distri- butions. I don't think it can handle much more losses on the developer side or it would simply die (as Christoph stated currently there is only one preorder for a GTA05...). I think it is a good decision of the developers to keep supporting the GTA02s as much as they can, as these are the closest users to go for a GTA04. I though still think there could be a demand eg: - as a high security level phone (I know from a big German pharamceutical company that they had banned the iphone for a long time due to security reasons (they took blackberries; I don't know if they are better)), but the phone would have to be rock stable and I guess if you would need to be able to a couple of standard android apps to make the buisinessmen's live better - as a very specific extensible device: we recently had some nice projects reported; one was for monitoring aircrafts, another for home automatisation. So I think if we had a nice looking web page with very curious projects like you find it for rasperry or arduino people might start thinking about investing 555EUR. - a phone for the elderly? why not. make the telephony part rock solid, have nice big buttons and have some features which allows them to chat with their grandsons (maybe jitsi could replace facetime), and add some advance bring me home feature. in the talk from openplanb[1] which is involved in freeing public transport data, there was one statment when an elderly couple got stuck late at night in the middle of Berlin and wanted to go home but no public transport would get them there, so they asked the very appropriate question, what would bring them closest and eg have a taxi waiting. but there is no app for this currently on any operating system. so somegthing like this might get them to spend 555EUR. these are just my 2cents from someone who is really taken to be part of such a great community and has learned a lot but has also some fear that there may be an end to this. br robin [1] http://openplanb.tumblr.com/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ubuntu / Firefox OS for Openmoko
Am 11.01.2013 um 19:04 schrieb robin: The biggest problem I see with the GTA04 is the very limited amount of active developers and the reliability of the distri- butions. I don't think it can handle much more losses on the developer side The FOSDEM stand will be a good opportunity to attract new developers. So the already existing developers should make the best out of this chance. or it would simply die (as Christoph stated currently there is only one preorder for a GTA05...). Yes, it is one paid preorder but the Wishlisht has around 50 entries. But it is not clear how many will convert to real orders when we need the money to start production. Generally I find it is a good idea to port Ubuntu / Firefox OS. It should not be really difficult since we have a kernel, development tools, Debian already done. But it is still quite a challenge. BTW: it should be possible to install/port standard (desktop) Ubuntu since it runs on the BeagleBoard. Anyone with experiences to share? Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ubuntu / Firefox OS for Openmoko
On 01/11/2013 05:04 PM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Thamostiger...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, i am ambiguous about that. I think we have already enough Operating Systems with QtMoko and SHR and Replicant. (Did i miss a really working distro?) But, as it seems to me, we don't have enough software developers, and as Mozilla and Ubuntu are big projects, this seems to be a way to use their ressources to get some nice features to our phones. i don't know anything about the OSs themself to evaluate them. And i don't know if they are really interested in working with us, as you wrote, they are searching big players I think the question is if we have people on our side who want to start such an project (and try to drag some of their developers in). greets, Thamos Personally, I think that all we need is some good marketing inside the community. For many people that do not track Openmoko by themselves, this project is dead. When I mention it to someone, reaction is very often is it still alive? Really?. Agree with you and the main reason is that on openmoko sites there is plenty not updated information, qtmoko doesn't have webpage promoting it. All this confused me a lot when I join you some months before. I think that there is no project management on this front and this community is somehow self driven without any vision or plans for the future. Ubuntu and Firefox OS may be good opportunities to use for marketing. A lot of people inside those two communities will be interested in a phone that is completely free and allows them to run systems they're working on without fighting with some closed source binaries. This will also attract FLOSS-extremists (sorry for term, just couldn't find out anything better at the moment :D) to those OSes, so benefits will be mutual. Looks like the Ubuntu or Firefox OS are/will be not interesting for GTA02 users as the new OSes are not optimized for HW with such low memory. But of course it could help promote OpenMoko. -- Peter ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ubuntu / Firefox OS for Openmoko
On Friday 11 January 2013 19:00:37 Radek Polak wrote: On Friday, January 11, 2013 05:04:28 PM Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: Ubuntu and Firefox OS may be good opportunities to use for marketing. Yup, i think if we were the first HW that runs Firefox OS and Ubuntu this could make our phone mentioned in some bigger magazines and make some noise. That boat's already sailed I'm afraid. Firefox OS already runs on Galaxy SII, Galaxy Nexus, Nexus S and Nexus S 4G, plus pandaboard and a few others. Ubuntu are supposed to be releasing an image for the Galaxy Nexus soon. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ubuntu / Firefox OS for Openmoko
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Peter Viskup skupko...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/11/2013 05:04 PM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Thamostiger...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, i am ambiguous about that. I think we have already enough Operating Systems with QtMoko and SHR and Replicant. (Did i miss a really working distro?) But, as it seems to me, we don't have enough software developers, and as Mozilla and Ubuntu are big projects, this seems to be a way to use their ressources to get some nice features to our phones. i don't know anything about the OSs themself to evaluate them. And i don't know if they are really interested in working with us, as you wrote, they are searching big players I think the question is if we have people on our side who want to start such an project (and try to drag some of their developers in). greets, Thamos Personally, I think that all we need is some good marketing inside the community. For many people that do not track Openmoko by themselves, this project is dead. When I mention it to someone, reaction is very often is it still alive? Really?. Agree with you and the main reason is that on openmoko sites there is plenty not updated information, qtmoko doesn't have webpage promoting it. All this confused me a lot when I join you some months before. I think that there is no project management on this front and this community is somehow self driven without any vision or plans for the future. Ubuntu and Firefox OS may be good opportunities to use for marketing. A lot of people inside those two communities will be interested in a phone that is completely free and allows them to run systems they're working on without fighting with some closed source binaries. This will also attract FLOSS-extremists (sorry for term, just couldn't find out anything better at the moment :D) to those OSes, so benefits will be mutual. Looks like the Ubuntu or Firefox OS are/will be not interesting for GTA02 users as the new OSes are not optimized for HW with such low memory. But of course it could help promote OpenMoko. -- Peter I don't think GTA02 will be good hw platform for those systems, but GTA04 should work well. On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 8:40 PM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: On Friday 11 January 2013 19:00:37 Radek Polak wrote: On Friday, January 11, 2013 05:04:28 PM Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: Ubuntu and Firefox OS may be good opportunities to use for marketing. Yup, i think if we were the first HW that runs Firefox OS and Ubuntu this could make our phone mentioned in some bigger magazines and make some noise. That boat's already sailed I'm afraid. Firefox OS already runs on Galaxy SII, Galaxy Nexus, Nexus S and Nexus S 4G, plus pandaboard and a few others. Ubuntu are supposed to be releasing an image for the Galaxy Nexus soon. It could still be the first open hardware platform to run those systems with working telephony support without binary blobs. This would be big thing, at least for some part of the community. Original Openmoko project got its popularity thanks to promise of fully open and free hardware platform. It failed, cause things with quality of early development stages were advertised as ready products. Personally I expected development platform with some GSM support, nothing more - and today I'm still using my GTA02. Unfortunately, lots of people wanted to have stable, mature solution with added value of freedom and openness. All they got was freedom and openness, which apparently wasn't enough for them. Ubuntu and Firefox OS are for sure more popular projects than SHR or QtMoko. Personally all my heart goes to latter ones, but that doesn't change the fact, that they cannot compete with first ones regarding community size and support. But I think that some people, attracted with free platform that runs popular OS, will also look at and maybe contribute to our purely community driven projects. There is also one more thing, which I think more people will do - contributing to GTA04 project itself. Free platform with well-supported OS will attract not only software hackers (who will spread over all different operating systems), but also hardware ones :) Some of them caught on GTA02 too, but I think many of them wanted to give it a chance but resigned due to software state. This is where I find the biggest opportunity for us at the moment. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak, dos http://dosowisko.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ubuntu / Firefox OS for Openmoko?
On Fri, 2013-01-11 at 20:43 +0100, Christoph Pulster wrote:
The hardware GTA04 is based on one person (Nikolaus), the software
QtMoko is based on one person (Radek). My daily cudos for both of them.
But I am afraid we really need a broader basis of manpower.
I think it's unfair to mention only Nikolaus and Radek. There are many
people working to push the GTA04 forward:
http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=cornucopia.git;a=history;f=fsodeviced/conf/GTA04;hb=HEAD
http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=meta-smartphone.git;a=history;f=meta-openmoko/conf/machine/om-gta04.conf;hb=HEAD
https://github.com/neilbrown/linux/commits/gta04/mainline/arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-omap3gta04.c
I don't think we necessarily need any more manpower. To say that is
to say: I want people to do things for me. Indeed, we all want 1000
programmers to start working on FSO and QtMoko so that our phones become
sweet bastions of freedom and coolness. Alas, there is only us.
It is worth remembering that a factor in attracting programmers is the
ratio between (1) how much effort we spend complaining about how few
programmers the are and trying to attract more, and (2) how much effort
we spend creating useful systems with a small number of programmers.
Paradoxically, a focus on the latter is much more likely to attract new
contributors.
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Bob Ham r...@settrans.net
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