Re: Request for Feedback - SATAN
First of all, I'm glad that people have at least tried it... But I also expected that probably many would not come very far, since the application IS complicated... I'll try to make the next version a bit easier, however the basic concept is in it's nature complicated and there's always going to be tons of knobs and levers to pull and slide since that's what you need to enable as much creativity as possible... But yes, I do recognize that it must be as easy as possible to understand how to find the knob you want, and minimize the amount of work needed just to get started. NOTE! There is an XML-file in /usr/share/satan called satanUI.xml that describes the GUI, if you have the time and inclination please play around with that and give me a proposal.. Also note that that is an proprietary XML format for the GUI engine I'm using. On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Aapo Rantalainen aapo.rantalai...@gmail.com wrote: 1) Rename it. Yeah, I know it's nice to provoke people etc but to me it just sounds stupid. One more vote for renaming. The name is probably going to stay the same since it is etched in s many places that it's very much a lock-in now... Maybe I can add a friendlier icon and alias for the menu so you won't be offended every time you use your phone.. ;-) And for the record; the name is one of the few silly things I have left in my life now when I'm all grown up with a family and responsibilities.. It's kinda sentimental and still makes me put on this silly smile once in a while when I'm discussing it with my friends.. ;-P 2) Add an icon in .ipk package. I installed to 2008.12+Kustomized, no icon was shown. I got icon. (is this fixed?) It seems to be different on different distributions; there IS an icon in the package and on some distros it shows up correctly, and on others it doesn't.. If someone can point at what I can change about the icons path, and/or the .desktop-file I would be delighted to fix it. For the next version I set Categories to Applications, hopefully that will make it better for SHR users.. Hope it will still works for me. 3) First run I get a message that Enlightenment was not able to ... satan: error while loading shared libraries: libltdl.so.3: cannot open I added libltdl3 for http://www.opkg.org/package_34.html I have libltdl3 as a dependency in the control file used for ipk-generation, but it seems maybe that isn't enough? Any suggestions? 4) Started the app. It's a mess.. sorry.. I'd like to be able to do I do this step-by-step http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23526681/MANUAL.txt (My sound settings of phone are messed so I didn't got any noise out of.) This manual is good. But maybe program is too hard and complicated to Phone if it needs so long read-this-first (and I can't reproduce anything without that manual). The application is complicated for sure, but that's a result of the basic requirement let the imagination be the limit.. I'll try to explain it through an example; a basic synthesizer is easy to get started with, but it is not a complete studio. If you want a complete studio you won't have something that is easy to start with... My idea now is to have a question asked when the application start: Do you want it simple? yes or no... Yes will pre-load a toy-project that is easy to start playing with, sort of a demo. Keep it simple. / Use menus with long names. Tabs like Ld/Sv aren't good. How about standardr drop down menu called File (containing Load project and Save project)? I didn't got point of whole Connector-tab. Maybe some working default settings and menu-entry 'Advanced'- 'Connections' where power-user can fine tune them. The connector tab is quite vital, alas... :-) It is basically the studio, here you can add your synthesizers, drum machines, echo-boxes and so forth.. If you have an empty studio; then you have no sound except the occasional cough from the studio manager wondering what you are doing without any instruments... ;-) And menu entry named 'Mode' could have 'surf' and 'tracker' and so on. Maybe I could have two major modes, one called Configure and one called Compose, and then the Load/Save project tab. The Configure mode would contain sample loader, instrument editor, control configuration and connections. The Compose mode would contain the Surface, the tracker and the sequencer. One problem that is constant is the lack of screen real-estate on the 2.8 screen we have to play with.. Especially since I want to make it more finger friendly in the future.. The way of the future will hopefully be nicer looking graphics that is more finger friendly... This will however probably require the new OpenMoko since the code I write requires a FPU that won't be available until that phone arrives... I hope I get some more feedback on the ideas I presented here and on the comments I made on your suggestions. Best regards Anton Persson
Request for Feedback - SATAN
Hi folkz! I just wanted to request user feedback for my app SATAN, if there are _any_ users out there.. I know some people have at least tried, and hopefully all have succeeded, to install and start the application.. But I want to know; have anyone succeeded making some noise with it? What are your thoughts? Do you want any specific improvements or changes? Best regards, Anton Persson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Spotify - Despotify - Internet Radio
Hi! Has anyone compiled despotify for the OpenMoko? http://despotify.se/ Should be a nice addition to the phone, at least for the GTA03 with edge and a flat-rate data subscription.. Best regards Anton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03 Touchscreen Capacitive (was Re: OT: iPhone howto)
Well, there is no (massmarket) implementation of multi-touch using resistive touch technology. There has been one link in this thread to one that is being developed, but that technology was not yet finished if I remember correctly, and it was not licensed to any manufacturer of touch panels. A link to the resistive, work-in-progress, multi-touch: http://hackaday.com/2009/02/19/stantums-high-precision-multitouch/ But except for the multi-touch; the more durable argument is really important to me, at least.. I want to carry my phone with me everywhere, and I want it to be easily accessible everywhere which means I don't want to put it into a protective thingy, and I don't want to reach for my precision enhancing pointing device to use it. Best regards Anton On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 8:59 PM, The Digital Pioneer digitalpion...@gmail.com wrote: This is a case where there is AFAIK no one size fits all sensing technology; Going to a capacitive screen will allow GTA03 to be used in some scenarios where GTA02 can't, and vice versa. I've been following this with mild interest for a while, and so far I haven't really seen anything you can do with capacitive that you can't do with resistive... Did I miss something? It seems the only benefit to capacitive is that it can be more durable, and accidental touches are all but eliminated. What scenario can you use capacitive for that you can't use resistive for? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03 Touchscreen Capacitive (was Re: OT: iPhone howto)
Well, the _hardware_ parts of any version of the free-runner are pretty darn rigid, no apt-get update to those.. So, updating the resistive touch panel to multi-touch is undoable; however much effort is put in by the software developers... The software parts don't need to be so finished though, since we have plenty of developers to go around... Albeit; we also have a gazilion projects lying around.. :-P Best regards Anton On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:27 PM, The Digital Pioneer digitalpion...@gmail.com wrote: Which is exactly why resistive can use fingers too. :P Just noting, I find it ironic that you talk of multi-touch resistive as being an unfinished technology, in relation to the Freerunner. :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Numpty doesn't work on latest Om2008.12 release.. :-(
Yeah, it solved it for me too, great! On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 2:25 AM, Francesco de Virgilio fradev...@gmail.comwrote: Yeah, it fixed the issue!! I will send an email to opkg.org mantainer to notify him the possibility to insert libpng3 as dependency or to show a message or a warn to install the package... Regards Rui Miguel Silva Seabra ha scritto: Maybe a bad dependency. Try opkg install libpng3 (if you don't have it). If you have it, then it's something else... I don't know. Rui On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 12:27:49AM +0100, Anton Persson wrote: Hi, I installed numptyphysics on top of the latest Om2008.12 release... It doesn't work.. :-( If I run it from the console I get this at the end: . . . bogus level path /usr/share/numptyphysics/pause.png addLevel /usr/share/numptyphysics/L50_nautilus.nph at 6 addLevel /usr/share/numptyphysics/L15_trampoline.nph at 3 addLevel /usr/share/numptyphysics/L00_title.nph at 0 addLevel /usr/share/numptyphysics/L35_pendulum.nph at 6 addLevel /usr/share/numptyphysics/L30_see_saw.nph at 5 bogus level path /usr/share/numptyphysics/keyb.png gotoLevel 0 loaded image /usr/share/numptyphysics/paper.jpg stop recording: 0 events *** CAUGHT: image not found r...@om-gta02:/# Any one else seen this? Best regards Anton Persson -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia Italia Member* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Numpty doesn't work on latest Om2008.12 release.. :-(
Hi, I installed numptyphysics on top of the latest Om2008.12 release... It doesn't work.. :-( If I run it from the console I get this at the end: . . . bogus level path /usr/share/numptyphysics/pause.png addLevel /usr/share/numptyphysics/L50_nautilus.nph at 6 addLevel /usr/share/numptyphysics/L15_trampoline.nph at 3 addLevel /usr/share/numptyphysics/L00_title.nph at 0 addLevel /usr/share/numptyphysics/L35_pendulum.nph at 6 addLevel /usr/share/numptyphysics/L30_see_saw.nph at 5 bogus level path /usr/share/numptyphysics/keyb.png gotoLevel 0 loaded image /usr/share/numptyphysics/paper.jpg stop recording: 0 events *** CAUGHT: image not found r...@om-gta02:/# Any one else seen this? Best regards Anton Persson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2008.12 - Can't receive SMS
Actually, it works for me too now.. Haven't been able to reproduce it again.. Odd. On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Jan Henkins j...@henkins.za.net wrote: +1, no problems for me! Provider for me is Vodafone UK. On Sun, December 28, 2008 09:40, Ed Kapitein wrote: Marc Bantle wrote: Anton Persson schrieb: Hi, I thought I would give the new 2008.12 release a good whirl for a few days, but I was stopped before I could start by this: I can't receive text sms messages... :-( Does anyone else have this problem? Is there a work-around? Works here. I haven't missed one so far. Marc +1 provider is t-mobile country is NL ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Regards, Jan Henkins ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2008.12 - Can't receive SMS
Well, the SMS seems to be stored on the SIM-card because when I moved the card to my other phone they where detected as unread messages. The question is then; why are they not detected by the SMS-application? /Anton On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org wrote: Marc Bantle wrote: Anton Persson schrieb: Hi, I thought I would give the new 2008.12 release a good whirl for a few days, but I was stopped before I could start by this: I can't receive text sms messages... :-( Does anyone else have this problem? Is there a work-around? Works here. I haven't missed one so far. Marc +1 provider is t-mobile country is NL ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Om2008.12 - Can't receive SMS
Hi, I thought I would give the new 2008.12 release a good whirl for a few days, but I was stopped before I could start by this: I can't receive text sms messages... :-( Does anyone else have this problem? Is there a work-around? Note: The phone wakes up properly from hibernation/suspend when the message is received but there is no entry in the inbox... Also, there is no problem sending an SMS text message. Best regards Anton Persson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
afaik you CAN indeed... follow this link: http://www.tenonedesign.com/stylus.php On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 1:52 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Less capable in which way? We just saw that you CAN use a stylus with a capacitive screen afaik, you can not. a capacitive screen requires fingers and does not work with styli. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I would like openmoko to do bold steps. But they should also be careful. Introduction of a multi-touch screen would only fragment the userbase. 10,000 Freerunner owners would be bitching that they can't run $new.app because it requires the new screen type; owners of the new device would be bitching that existing apps don't use the cool new interface. Well, that might be true.. But the case might also be that the userbase will shrink if nothing is done. That depends on what people want from their hardware. The lack of a new type of user interface which some of us believe is far superior on a hand held device will at least make me think twice before buying a new OpenMoko.. I bought the GTA02 since I found what OpenMoko was doing a great thing and I wanted to support that good effort.. But if the hardware is always a couple or more generations behind the leading pack then it's not much use, then I'm just trying to help a hopeless cause. The phone is a hardware disabled toy. I certainly don't speak for everyone, since there are plenty of voices for the current solution as seen in this thread, but I think the user base will shrink steadily while the use of multi touch gets more and more users on the big platforms. It's the future as I see it, and either we place us in the future, or we place us in the past... With a platform as the OpenMoko we have that choice. Hardware decisions are best made by those who actually have an insight into ALL the variables of the planned hardware. The whims of you I are simply irrelevant if Openmoko / FIC are unable to purchase multi- touch screens. In case you're not aware, hardware decisions have already been constrained by an unavailability of parts in such small quantities as those used in Openmoko devices - you might have to buy 100,000 or 1,000,000 units before the vendor will talk to you. Yes, that's makes it a catch 22, because if you don't put together a hardware solution that is good enough, then the amount of people buying it will be small... And if you can't sell enough then you can't buy the good parts.. If that makes you aim low, then why bother at all? Besides that, GTA03 is no longer subject to change - isn't it stupid to be making plans (especially when you're not in a position to do so) for GTA04 or 05, when the hardware available by that time might be quite different from what is on the market now? I know that the GTA03 is probably all decided hardware wise... But I think this might be a good discussion anyway. And the market is big, apple has shown that... And note that Apple doesn't have it's reputation since they make poor hardware decisions, but the opposite. There's still a future out there tomorrow and if we want to we can be part of it too. Best regards Anton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
The current OpenMoko compromise is not suitable for running a spreadsheet application or a word processor. For you maybe, but Abiword and Gnumeric are working fine for me. True, that's my own opinion. I think the display is too small and the input method is too hard. But I must confess; I generally don't use anything other than Emacs and Eclipse for anything close to word processing and one of the things with emacs is that you really need a keyboard with it.. :-P If you want those applications then you need to have some sort of keyboard. When the Ilume keyboard is active you only have perhaps 60% left of the screen. That means your application only have _half_ a VGA display. This practically eliminates the pro that people here have been bringing up, the full VGA display. The Psion's only half-VGA and it works fine there. The Psion does make better use of the screen space, but that's an application issue. Which means that you would still be happy if you had a slightly bigger display and a slightly thicker stylus, right? Maybe even happier if you could use both your thumbs to push buttons on the on-screen keyboard. (For shift/alt keys etc. But of course, that could be solved by adding a couple of more real buttons..) If you think I'm wrong, could you please tell me in which situations you really could use application X or Y on your OpenMoko? And I mean in a situation where you would not have easy access to your EeePC in your back-pack. Exactly the same situations where I use them on the Psion, probably more because I would carry it in situations where even the Psion is too big. When I first got the Psion I found myself using it in many more situations than I had expected, simply because it was there and it worked. OK, that's a convincing example to me. But I'm not convinced that a capacitive screen+stylus would prevent you from doing the same things. The iPhone has a bigger display but is in total smaller than the OpenMoko, and correct me (again) if I'm wrong, but aren't there some sort of word-processor for the iPhone too? On the other hand, if you add a multi touch capable LCD panel, then you would enable software developers like myself to develop a whole range of new applications that are _not_ possible on a desktop or on the current OpenMoko... Applications that you will never see on the current OpenMoko. (I'm still not ruling out the possibility of a multi touch enabled resistive screen, but I never heard of such a thing...) I've never seen a commercial one, but I don't think it presents too many technical hurdles. unfortunately Openmoko aren't big enough to push a manufacturer to make such a thing, unlike Apple. True, which means we will probably never see a resistive multi touch enabled screen on an OpenMoko... Best regards Anton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Survey about the Touchscreen
Hi, it would be interesting to know which type of touch-screen that people would prefer to use on their future OpenMoko device. A not so scientific survey can be found at: http://www.733kru.org/~pltxtra/OpenMoko/survey.html Best regards Anton Persson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
Then a capacitive screen would do wonders for motivating the development of proper finger-input on the keypad... ;-D On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vikas Saurabh wrote: I think we need to decide upon this without the bias of UIone might get excited with iPhone's UI. What we would have to remember: * capacitive screen would always require a touch of finger (hence all the UI elements need to take enough space on screen) so the whole fun of high reso is gone * otoh, pressure based screen need a little more pressure to react but is often manageable with fingers as well Agree. Either a really big capacitive screen with no boarders or a small hi res screen as currently (I like it) with either a stylus or a keypad. I would vote for the same screen as currently used or at least the same quality but bigger and a keypad. Finger use for the current screen is pretty much a failure. (not impossible but as far as text input goes pretty much failed) -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
If you make a borderless case the risk is bigger for scratches and other damaging things to happen to the display... In that case a hard surface would be preferable. Best regards, Anton On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Lech Karol Pawłaszek [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Michele Renda wrote: [...] Same for me: 1. Bigger screen (With this resolution we can permit) 2. Same resolution ( I like it a lot :) 3. Current touch technology And borderless screen. I like everything I have except that there are sections unavailable on the screen because there is this plastic border. I suppose it would be possible to make borderless case so my point be invalid... however I haven't seen any other case except the official one. Kind regards, -- Lech Karol Pawłaszek ike You will never see me fall from grace [KoRn] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
Less capable in which way? We just saw that you CAN use a stylus with a capacitive screen, if you really need that. What other arguments are there for a resistive screen? Best regards, Anton On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I agree that you don't need a stylus for all operations, and I don't usually need one with the current touch screen, so I don't see why opt for a less capable one (like the iPhone one). Rui On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:29:35PM -0200, Denis Galvão wrote: My two reais. My choince is a capacitive screen, and we must consider the user finger interaction when developing applications. Really, we don't need a hi res screen on a day by day gadget, what we NEED is an easy way to handle the phone, carry a stylus should not be a good idea, is a step backwards. The final product is a button less phone. You only need the screen for all operations. Dot period. -- Denis Brazil On 21/11/2008, at 10:55, Anton Persson wrote: Hi, it would be interesting to know which type of touch-screen that people would prefer to use on their future OpenMoko device. A not so scientific survey can be found at: http://www.733kru.org/~pltxtra/OpenMoko/survey.htmlhttp://www.733kru.org/%7Epltxtra/OpenMoko/survey.html Best regards Anton Persson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- All Hail Discordia! Today is Setting Orange, the 33rd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
Novelty-factor? Have you ever used an iPhone for a longer period? I know several people who own one now , and they would _NEVER_ turn back to anything like a stylus controlled device, again. I really would _LOVE_ an iPhone, if it came with Free Software... But the novelty factor-argument has been used before... Like when the cell-phone started to be more generally available.. It's just a novelty for the guys at Wall Street... Yeah right... How many of you have cut of the land-line and gone 100% mobile? I have, and there's no looking back. Sure, there was benefits like a lower price per minute, but that's all gone now, almost.. It's certainly not worth the difference any more, and the cell has so many more pro's than the landline... It's the same with the resistive vs capacitive approach, as I see it. There is only one pro with the resistive one, and that's an extremely low pro.. Especially if there is indeed a stylus, albeit with a rather big tip. For the argument that you can use a smaller display if you use a stylus, yeah that's true.. But the OpenMoko looks very poor with such a small display and a HUGE area of NOTHING around it, which could have been used for display purposes instead. Best regards Anton Persson On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anton Persson wrote: Less capable in which way? We just saw that you CAN use a stylus with a capacitive screen, if you really need that. What other arguments are there for a resistive screen? This stylus is not much smaller than a finger tip. I will not say that capacitive is bad, but it is certainly a much bigger challenge for gui development. I'm not sure we are ready for this... And I'm not convinced that a iphone like system is the right platform for a really versatile smartphone. I'm convinced that people will start to see the iphone UI as a limitation when the novelty factor waers off. We should take the best from the iphone (good productive finger controlled apps) but we should not totally commit to this. And I'm not sure that multi touch is really so important and the low res touch sensitivity of the iphone started to anoy me really fast. Text input on a iphone is better than T9, but not really good. We need a bigger screen that's for sure. -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
Me too, high-res is all good.. But high-res does NOT preclude the use of a capacitive display.. So that's no argument for the classic type... On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Ken Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Denis Galvo wrote: Really, we don't need a hi res screen on a day by day gadget I could not possibly disagree more strongly. Ken Young ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
To just view the current standings in the poll: http://www.micropoll.com/akira/mpresult/509337-120694 On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 04:51:07PM +0100, Damien Thébault wrote: 2008/11/21 Al Iasid [EMAIL PROTECTED]: IMHO having to dig out a stylus (pen) or use my fingernail is not nearly as convenient or enjoyable as a finger-friendly interface. I don't min hi res or low res - or big or small screen size - as long as the interface is finger-friendly. The cell phone is our most intimate personal device. There should be no intermediary in the user interface. I don't really care about using my fingernails, they are always available, but I don't like to use a stylus since I have to find it in the first place. (maybe if the stylus was hidden in the case it would be a little better, but this uses space and it takes more time than fingernails) The primary isses I have with the actual touchscreen is the UI reactivity, I don't know if it's because the touchscreen is slow or because the software is. I agree that a borderless phone would be more practical touchscreen-wise. If this implies using a hard screen, implying capacitive, then why not. If you try out sketch, you see that it's responsive enough and detailed enough for making a written signature :) -- Grudnuk demand sustenance! Today is Setting Orange, the 33rd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
OK, let's compare the number of sold units... How many iPhone 2G and 3G have been sold? I figure it's quite a lot... Of course you have to consider what compromises you have to make. What have apple surrendered when they selected the capacitive screen instead of the resistive? What have they gained? ... That's the things that we have discussed... Does a capacitive display restrict the resolution? No. One thing I would like to have answered is, how good can you make multi-touch support with a resistive display? Best regards Anton On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just want to point out that I will not vote because the vote is bullshit. The type of the screen is not the only thing. Size and resolution matters too. And even more important. Price and availability. What you want is totally unimportant. The question is which compromises are you ready to make? This is nothing that can be figured out by some stupid two options poll. What goes is eventually a question that can only be answered by looking at sold units in retrospect. What you all want is unimportant, because you can not honestly say that it will bias your buying decision in a way you would admit now. I would like openmoko to do bold steps. But they should also be careful. Tilman Baumann wrote: Vikas Saurabh wrote: I think we need to decide upon this without the bias of UIone might get excited with iPhone's UI. What we would have to remember: * capacitive screen would always require a touch of finger (hence all the UI elements need to take enough space on screen) so the whole fun of high reso is gone * otoh, pressure based screen need a little more pressure to react but is often manageable with fingers as well Agree. Either a really big capacitive screen with no boarders or a small hi res screen as currently (I like it) with either a stylus or a keypad. I would vote for the same screen as currently used or at least the same quality but bigger and a keypad. Finger use for the current screen is pretty much a failure. (not impossible but as far as text input goes pretty much failed) -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
You mean, the only thing that truly blows them away is the resolution of the screen... Which you can have with any type of modern LCD panel, can you not? /Anton On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 11:03 PM, Thorben Krueger [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: +1 indeed, the screen is about the only thing that truly blows people's minds away atm... 2008/11/21 Ken Young [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Denis Galvao wrote: On 21/11/2008, at 13:20, Ken Young wrote: Really, we don't need a hi res screen on a day by day gadget I could not possibly disagree more strongly. So, give me a reason where you will need that. As long as we have at least a VGA resolution screen, it is relatively easy for us to port linux desktop applications to the Openmoko phones. Once we drop down to HVGA, or (heaven forbid!) QVGA, there will need to be extensive UI redesign to get most apps. from the desktop world to run on an OM phone, especially when a soft keyboard is needed. So reducing the resolution will greatly reduce the code base we can leverage. In addition, I don't think you can ever had too many pixels on a machine you intend to run a web browser on. Right now, when I show someone my Freerunner, the only thing that impresses them is the display. It would be a shame if OM dropped the one part of its hardware that is actually superior to what is found on other smartphones. Ken Young ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
Hi, I think this is the best argument for the need of a precision stylus yet. However, as I see it, if you make this argument it means that you want a phone that works just like your desktop computer, but which you can carry along easily.. Maybe an EeePC is better suited? The current OpenMoko compromise is not suitable for running a spreadsheet application or a word processor. If you want those applications then you need to have some sort of keyboard. When the Ilume keyboard is active you only have perhaps 60% left of the screen. That means your application only have _half_ a VGA display. This practically eliminates the pro that people here have been bringing up, the full VGA display. Then add the fact that using the Ilume keyboard with a spreadsheet is, well, daunting. I can't imagine the pain I would feel if I had to go through that ordeal. So yes, the current situation makes it easy to _run_ ye old' X applications we all love on the desktop... But _using_ them in this setup.. I don't think so. If you think I'm wrong, could you please tell me in which situations you really could use application X or Y on your OpenMoko? And I mean in a situation where you would not have easy access to your EeePC in your back-pack. On the other hand, if you add a multi touch capable LCD panel, then you would enable software developers like myself to develop a whole range of new applications that are _not_ possible on a desktop or on the current OpenMoko... Applications that you will never see on the current OpenMoko. (I'm still not ruling out the possibility of a multi touch enabled resistive screen, but I never heard of such a thing...) Best regards Anton Persson On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Leonti Bielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do we need capacitive display? We still are not going to solve hanging up during the call - because capacitive screen does it too - the only way to avoid that is by doing it in software. Someone said - it will be a good motivation to make programs more finger-friendly. What I like about Freerunner is that I can find some program, compile it and use it straight on Freerunner. With the capacitive screen we can forget about most gtk, fltk apps, just because they need stylus to be used. Do we really want to have a system that is based on linux, but looks like every other phone platform? Now imagine we have calc sheet application on the phone. Whis the resolution of FR we can see really a lot, and what is important we can manipulate cells in it. Can you do it with your finger? (with the capacitive touchscreen you can't even use your fingernail). What I mean is that the ability to use other objects to manipulate the screen is an advantage, not a disadvantage. Leonti ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Virtual music instrument using microphone and touchscreen
Verny nice, too bad our display doesn't do multi-touch.. :-( On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Xavier Cremaschi [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi Folks, I know being just a follower could be bad, but I liked these iPhone videos so I wanted to share : http://www.korben.info/un-ocarina-dans-votre-iphone.html A fun idea don't you think ? Xavier Cremaschi. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Rock'n'Roll is Satan's Music! or how to use the FreeRunner as a music creation tool!
Hi Guys and Gals! I've uploaded a first alpha version of a program called Signal Applications To Any (Audio) Network, or, ehm, SATAN for short... It can be used to create simple music, or just jam on the train, bus or café. For instructions see this short file: http://www.733kru.org/~pltxtra/OpenMoko/readme.txt For downloadable pre-built OM-packages see: http://www.733kru.org/~pltxtra/OpenMoko/ Please, try it! :-) Full source-code (GPL) for the three packages can be found at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/jngldrum/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/kamoflage/ http://launchpad.net/satan Enjoy and stay healthy! /Anton 'pltXtra' Persson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Rock'n'Roll is Satan's Music! or how to use the FreeRunner as a music creation tool!
OK, I've updated the instructions, and added an archive containing libpanel to http://www.733kru.org/~pltxtra/OpenMoko/http://www.733kru.org/%7Epltxtra/OpenMoko/ That made it work for me using the latest FDOM anyway.. /Anton On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Risto H. Kurppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Interested to try, but I get: satan: error while loading shared libraries: libpanel.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory any idea what to do? didn't find libpanel at repositories. Running the latest fdom. r On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 12:33 AM, Anton Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys and Gals! I've uploaded a first alpha version of a program called Signal Applications To Any (Audio) Network, or, ehm, SATAN for short... It can be used to create simple music, or just jam on the train, bus or café. For instructions see this short file: http://www.733kru.org/~pltxtra/OpenMoko/readme.txthttp://www.733kru.org/%7Epltxtra/OpenMoko/readme.txt For downloadable pre-built OM-packages see: http://www.733kru.org/~pltxtra/OpenMoko/http://www.733kru.org/%7Epltxtra/OpenMoko/ Please, try it! :-) Full source-code (GPL) for the three packages can be found at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/jngldrum/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/kamoflage/ http://launchpad.net/satan Enjoy and stay healthy! /Anton 'pltXtra' Persson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
2008.8 Goes to sleep too fast!
Hi, I have a problem, my FreeRunner goes to sleep to fast when I'm running the 2008.8 release. If I connect it to the USB socket of my computer I can hardly manage to login via SSH before it goes into hibernation, quite unuseful. How do I disable/configure the auto-hibernate feature? Best regards Anton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
