Re: Freerunner for sale! (Germany)
Me again! Because of the demand: here are some unedited full-size pics of the very device. Made just a few minutes ago: http://www.getdropbox.com/gallery/1458216/1/FR?h=cf9cc3 Two pictures feature the small scratch in comparison to a Euro cent. You see, it's really tiny. Apart from that the device is almost like the first day. I don't know which revision it is. The date code says 2008530. Awaiting your bids! Take care. j�...@home ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Freerunner for sale! (Germany)
Hi! I'm selling my Freerunner (originally sold by Pulster). I used it for about a year, so it's not really in mint condition, but it's ok. Everything works, but there's a small (3mm) but visible scratch in the middle of the display. I got the buzzfix by golden delicious, so it comes with a second new battery. You get everything from the original packaging: Openmoko Freerunner with Buzzfix Power cable with two adaptors Laserpen (w/o batteries) USB-cable black/green box Invoice 2 original batteries 512MB uSD-card Original Invoice and Handbook. If you are interested, make me a reasonable offer in EURO via mail: j(at)donalbain.de Don't hesitate to write me in case of questions or if you would like photos. j�...@home ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Debian on Freerunner installation: broken FSO-Packages?
Hi! I thought I give debian another try. I use the manual from http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner It always stops at: * Zhone GUI: true Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: zhone: Depends: python-edbus but it is not going to be installed Depends: python-ecore but it is not going to be installed Depends: python-edje but it is not going to be installed Depends: python-evas but it is not going to be installed Depends: libevas-engines (= 0.9.9.050+svn20090204) but it is not installable Depends: zhone-illume-glue but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages What can I do about it? j�...@home ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any distro with working calls?
Am Montag 20 Juli 2009 schrieb Eildert Groeneveld: As of last week there is a new release of android available at koolu: http://www.koolu.org/releases/cupcake-1.5-alpha1/ stable, polished, also the battery issue seems to have been solved. Isn't that the one that cannot receive calls...? j�...@home ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: why openmoko is so slow? Is it a joke?
Am Montag 13 Juli 2009 schrieb Nicola Mfb: On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Ivan Shirokovivanshirok...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Well, I would say it was a very bad joke. I spent eq. of 400 dolars, I was waiting 1 year for glamo acceleration etc, etc. that would make the phone usable etc, and it turns out, that it will never be. With the slow bus, one can forget about acceleration... What can be accelerated if you have to send information about complex bitmaps... That's really sad =( AFAIK there is still some space for improvement in general responsiveness. Actually there is a busy loop eating CPU to wait for graphical operations to complete. There are working in progress to avoid that. When the fix will be ready *and* adopting a good design pattern for applications (e.g. GUI/logic multithreading split, fusion of frequently used phone tasks in monolitic one-shot load and forget applications) we may see an acceptable speedy freerunner. When will that be? When the device is completely obsolete? Sorry, but after a year of waiting I still have an expensive brick that I can neither use as a proper phone (speaker still WAY to low, too unstable, too slow, too battery-hungry) nor as a PDA (no usable software available). So I really regret my decision to buy it. But then again, it was touted as a real phone for end-users back then and being a happy Linux-User for 14 years, I thought that I could live with some minor flaws... I'm really for the idea of freeing the phone (thats why I bought one), free hardware and the community. And I really loved to see this effort to succeed. But I came to realize that I start to hate this sluggish, instable device without good software. I cannot help it. I haven't found a single distro that works well out of the box. The best ones so far were QTopia/QTe and Android. And neither are really community efforts. So I consider my personal experiment (buying a community-driven phone for 300 EUR) as failed. Sorry. -- j�...@home ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why one cannot recommend the freerunner as a daily phone (was Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?)
Am Montag 22 Juni 2009 schrieb Ben Wong: I want to thank Joerg for taking the time to give a clear list of reasons why a person might consider the Freerunner unsuitable as a phone. I think it'd be helpful if these and other points were put on the wiki so that potential buyers can see the arguments against the Freerunner, and what the community response is. (E.g., Solved? Kludged? In progress? Unfixable?) Good starting point! I'd like to thank everyone who answered my disgruntled mail in a constructive manner. You all made a good case for the freerunner/openmoko and I appreciate that. I think I see clearer, why I'm so unhappy with it now and maybe that's the case for other people, too. I think, most of the technical answers totally missed my point. The guy wanted a smartphone. He didn't ask for an exiting piece of hardware experimentation lab and developer paradise. If you recommend to tweak this mixer-setting and install that tool and use that kernel-fix, then you prove, that it's not for him. I listed a lot of points, where I got stuck or where I got frustrated with the Freerunner to show, where he might get stuck, too. Granted, most of my points may be solved in distro A or fixed in Kernel B, or fixable by tweaking settings in illume. but the point is, that there is (to my knowledge) not a single distro out there, that works perfectly out of the box and has all the fixes already installed. Thats whats needed, if you want to recommened it to the end-user. You are offering me and this guy single proofs-of-concept, and that is great for further development, but thats not a working everyday smartphone. let me cite another mail (from Vasco Nevoa): Yes, it needs A LOT of attention and tweaking for about 3 months until you get it just right for yourself, but after that it's good enough as a phone and GPS, and a pretty good PDA. See my point? Best wishes! j�...@home ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Why one cannot recommend the freerunner as a daily phone (was Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?)
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Joerg Lippmannjl_li...@donalbain.de wrote: Then the Freerunner is not for you. It may sound harsh, but it's definitely *not* suitable for daily use. Period. Brolin, I must respectfully disagree with Joerg's advice to you. There are flaws, including the ones Joerg points out, but they do not necessarily make the Freeruner unsuitable as a daily phone. I think it depends on the person. I use mine daily as my only phone and it works well for me. From your description of yourself, I suspect you would be happy with a Freerunner as well, as long as you don't expect it to do everything you want out of the box. OK, maybe I should explain. My mail should not be taken as FUD. I have a freerunner since it came out a year ago and - being a linux user since 1994 - I was prepared to get something rough and unfinished. But I hoped that it would one day be sufficient to replace first my phone, then my Palm Tungsten C and maybe my Etrex-GPS. It does neither in a satisfactory way. I used it for about year now, installed this and that distro and during that time I defended all the shortcomings as being a work-in-progress and a community effort. But all in all I cannot recommend it to anyone as a daily phone. Here's why: - The device wakes up too slowly, I lost some calls. - The vibrator is too weak, I missed more calls. - The volume is way to low, You can really only use it indoors. - The Display is too dark for sunny days, even in the shade. - I lost many SMS. I eventually receiced most of them after restarting the device - The battery lasts only a few hours, again, I lost many calls (this depends on the distro. But even with a »good« one, I had cases in which the device did not suspend due to something crashing) - Sometimes I cannot access the phonebook (Android, SHR) - Wifi does not work reliably and it takes a long time to connect. - The device/software is terribly slow. How fast was even the oldest palm in comparison! - the on-screen keyboards are all terrible for finger-typing. I liked the one from QTe, but you have to install german wordlists by hand. Also it was impractical to switch upper/lowercase. Best solution would be to use landscape automatically. - Even simple tasks like inserting the number of the caller into the addressbook is sometimes impossible or very complicated. (- Many people I called complained about terrible buzz, but I hope to get the fix soon) - The alarm clock does not work reliably. - When the battery is completely empty, it takes ages to reload the phone and you're not able to turn it on even when plugged in. - You cannot sync dates or even contacts, PIM-functions are virtually non- existent. (And I did not mention nice things like video-playback, a good MP3-Player, voice-notes, a nice email-Interface or a feed-aggregator...) Granted, most things depend on the distro you're using. But neither is really good: OM: 2007: very stripped down, although I liked the simple interface. QTe: Overall quite OK, but no Sync, no working wifi, no usable browser, no GPRS, no usable GPS-Application SHR: good battery life when not crashing. some bad design decisions (animations are useless on this phone), slow (especially the setup-menus and finger-scrolling), ugly phone-function, contacts crash very often, tangogps is working, many SMS and calls lost. Keyboard either english-only or only usable with a pen. Android: Best of the bunch so far. But volume too low, missing keyboard in stable versions (cupcake one looks better, but is not stable enough at the moment) I'm trying to honour the work of the many developers, but in my book, this is still not a working everyday phone. Let alone a smartphone. Today, I slipped my SIM-card back into my old Siemens M55. What an experience: I got every call immediatly! I could hear what the other side was talking! I could send an SMS in a few seconds without problems and received an answer! I could also insert the number from a caller directly into my addressbook. You should try it once. My freerunner will stay in my drawer. Maybe when Android works perfectly, I will give it another try. Am Samstag 20 Juni 2009 schrieb Ben Wong: The sound quality is terrible according to Joerg, but that has not It's just way too low. I can only unterstand the other side well, when I'm in a quiet place. While with a real phone you can talk on the street or in a car, with the freerunner I can't. I tried also other alsa-state-files and fiddled myself, but without real success. Joerg also mentioned that the device is lame. I'm not quite sure what he means. Sorry, I meant slow. See above. Please, developers, don't feel like I want to thrash your work. It's just not ready for primetime, yet. I really like the design and the hires screen. It could make a cool device when it would work... j�...@home -- We will bring freedom and Leberwurst to the Welt, ob sie will oder nicht.
Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?
Am Donnerstag 18 Juni 2009 schrieb Brolin Empey: I need all of these features: * a *reliable* phone for SMS and brief voice calls. Then the Freerunner is not for you. It may sound harsh, but it's definitly *not* suitable for daily use. Period. I tried OM2007, 2008, QTe, SHR, FSO, Hackable:1, Android, Android-cupcake. QT- Extended-Improved. All are incomplete and have huge flaws. Apart from that the battery life is mediocre at best, the device is lame and sound is terrible. Sad but true. j�...@home -- We will bring freedom and Leberwurst to the Welt, ob sie will oder nicht. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM buzz-fix party in Braunschweig, Germany
Am Sonntag 15 März 2009 schrieb Daniel Willmann: In order to gauge interest and plan ahead wrt ordering Resistors/Capacitors I'd like to know how many phones would come. The party will probably take place in mid April. If you are interested and would show up please mail me privately and also tell me how many phones you would bring. If all goes well I'll be doing this with support from Openmoko and will be able to replace any Freerunners I break in the process. Hmmm, Braunschweig is about 300km from my home town. Is there a way to get my phone fixed as well without spending the whole day on the road (maybe send it to you?) I have terrible buzz *always* when I use my phone at home, no matter what distribution. So all the time when I happen to be at home and get a call I have to shout to the other party to call me on the land line. Really embarrassing to have to use an expensive phone thats broken by design and the manufacturer does not bother to fix it immediatly at no cost. It's really a pity that openmoko (the company) is such a disappointment concerning the buzz fix... -- j�...@home ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qt Extended update ?
Am Montag 26 Januar 2009 schrieb HouYu Li: On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Chris Samuel ch...@csamuel.org wrote: Does anyone know if there's any updates for Qt Extended in the pipeline ? I am looking forward to it. Does the silence here mean that no one here is working on QtE or that no one can/wants to give any information? -- j�...@home ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] how to add buttons to illume's launcher?
Am Donnerstag 27 November 2008 schrieb Joel Newkirk: On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 22:20:54 +0100, Marcel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Thursday 27 November 2008 21:44:32 schrieb Robin Paulson: 2008/11/28 Joerg Lippmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: After some updating, my tangogps start button is gone from shr's Illume. But tangogps is still there. How can I create a new start entry? Especially the categories are important here, some of them (don't ask me which) are not being displayed by illume by default. If you see application change it to applications. Hey guys! I got it back on the map by setting Categories=GTK;Network; just like in midori.desktop. That's fine for me. Thanks for your help! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Where can I get the last reasonably stable SHR-Version?
Hi! I've tried SHR just after the last milestone-release and it worked quite well. At least a lot better than the most recent version I pulled yesterday where I have no GPS anymore and the power-management ignores tapping on the screen, so that NEO falls asleep while I'm typing... This version is useless for me. But the trac-server only has few newer versions, not the one of the milestone release. Where can I get the latter? Thanks for any help! [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- We will bring freedom and Leberwurst to the Welt, ob sie will oder nicht. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: us network and Uuntu 8.10 - is there a better way?
Am Montag 24 November 2008 schrieb Torfinn Ingolfsen: Hello, I recently upgraded my laptop to Xubuntu 8.10, and now I run into the issues described in USB Networking[1] on the wiki: - editing /etc/network/interfaces doesn't work - Network Manager setup (with /etc/udev/rules.d/80-freerunner.rules and /usr/local/sbin/freerunner-usb-add.sh) doesn't work. Manual setup still works, but it is cumbersome. Is there a better way? Hmm, I have also Intrepid and I use the following lines at the end of my /etc/network/interfaces: (instructions from the very wiki) iface usb0 inet static address 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.0.0 up iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 up echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward up iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT down iptables -D POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 After plugging in the NEO, just sudo ifup usb0 does the job quite fine. You may have to change /etc/resolv.conf on the NEO manually. When you re-insert the NEO, just issue sudo ifdown usb0 ifup usb0 Hope it helps -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
hypermiling SHR for GPS-only usage?
Turn off the Airconditioning and use higher tyre pressure? How can I reduce the energy usage to a minimum when I just want to use my OM as a GPS-only device? Is ist enough to remove the GSM card to shutdown the phone stack? How can I stop other hungry service? Thanks! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Am Mittwoch 22 Oktober 2008 schrieb Lorn Potter: Jim Morris wrote: Lorn Potter wrote: Jim Morris wrote: Cédric Berger wrote: Just because 4.4.1 might be unstable doesn't mean qt extended will always be that way. It just means that 4.4.1 was buggier than expected. Oh I know it will get better, I was just disappointed it was less stable than the previous version. We all were. The truth is, 4.4.1 was pushed out before it was ready. But it couldn't be helped. Wouldn't it be great to release an intermediate version soon, in which the most severe UI-bugs are fixed (like the finger-scrolling/selection-Bug or the way-to-sensitive-keyboard where it's almost impossible to switch to special characters)? I'm quite sure it's just a matter of settings as it worked in the former version. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ringtone and vibration configuration
Am Freitag 25 Juli 2008 schrieb Jeff Tickle: For the Vibration, my very limited testing indicates it will accept a range of 0-255, with 0 being off and 255 being full force. So, you can actually set the strength of vibration. I wonder when the first one comes up with a tool to play music using the vibrator like they did with the step motor of the floppy drive (!) of the C64... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Matchbox Keyboard Layout Change
Am Sonntag 20 Juli 2008 schrieb Alexander Syring: I made an howto change matchbox layout Great! Is it also possible to change the size of the keys? They are so tiny. I'd like to reduce the size of the shift and ctrl keys to have more space for the letters. Also we should get rid of the unused space between the keys. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
