anyone has tried fnop?
A just found this site and wondered if anyone has tried this OS? http://phones.fnop.net/ Cheers -- Kosa ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: U-Boot source versions
El 05/10/11 05:31, Giacomo 'giotti' Mariani escribió: I guess i am only u-boot user left in community there are a couple of us left +1 +1 :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] breaking thread MUA (WAS:Re: TSM30 source found!)
El 04/10/11 13:44, arne anka escribió: Unfortunately not. I cannot / will not use a modern mail client. For personal reasons which I *will not go into*. well, the ochrana already knows about you, you know? *scnr* Haha. It was funny but please, let's not start a flame. Cheers Kosa ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [openmoko-announce] Neo RoadRunner
Hum... it was a fools day joke, right? Well, it was fun. Cheers Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - El 01/04/11 13:30, Delian escribió: Even considering it was sent from an anonymous webmail service :D.. 2011/4/1 Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org mailto:e...@kapitein.org Perhaps the date is suspicious ... ;-) On 04/01/2011 09:19 PM, Kosa wrote: However, the site has not been updated. No info about it yet. is http://openmoko.org the right place to go? Thanks again. Kosa El 01/04/11 13:15, Kosa escribió: :D:D:D ¡qué chido!! Thanks for keeping the openhardware effort live and running :) Kosa El 01/04/11 12:58, Sean Moss-Pultz escribió: This email was sent via Anonymous email service for free. YOU CAN REMOVE THIS TEXT MESSAGE BY BEING A PAID MEMBER FOR $19/year. Message ID= 60854 Dear Community! Today, with the greatest of pleasure, I am ready to share with you the birth of our new product -- Neo RoadRunner. The world's first MeeGo powered GPS road navigation in the palm of your hand. Accessible immediately, anytime, anywhere without requiring an Internet connection. No strings attached. With Neo RoadRunner you'll be prepared for those unexpected moments when curiosity strikes. And once you have it, you'll realize how often you get lost on road during the day. Neo RoadRunner takes our original ideas of openness and accessibility to an even greater realm. Neo RoadRunner is so amazingly simple. There really is no closed part. We built our software stack on top of MeeGo distribution and we use openstreetmap.org http://openstreetmap.org project as a source for our navigation data. You turn it on and instantly become discovered on the map at any place you are. It's perfect for all purposes. From the Aha! moment when we held our first prototypes, to the last few months as we worked around the clock to polish every last detail, this product was a joy to make and even more fun to experience. We are head-over-heels in love with Neo RoadRunner. Never have I found so much fun in the little moments of curiosity life offers us. Try one and I'm sure you'll agree that we've delivered the essence of GPS navigation in an addictively simple form factor. Sales start today at http://openmoko.com. Enjoy. Tell your friends. And let us know what you think! Sincerely Sean Moss-Pultz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Marco aka Delian # On IRC freenode my nickname is: /marco -- I would love to change the world, but they won't give me the source code -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [openmoko-announce] Neo RoadRunner
:D:D:D ¡qué chido!! Thanks for keeping the openhardware effort live and running :) Kosa El 01/04/11 12:58, Sean Moss-Pultz escribió: This email was sent via Anonymous email service for free. YOU CAN REMOVE THIS TEXT MESSAGE BY BEING A PAID MEMBER FOR $19/year. Message ID= 60854 Dear Community! Today, with the greatest of pleasure, I am ready to share with you the birth of our new product -- Neo RoadRunner. The world's first MeeGo powered GPS road navigation in the palm of your hand. Accessible immediately, anytime, anywhere without requiring an Internet connection. No strings attached. With Neo RoadRunner you'll be prepared for those unexpected moments when curiosity strikes. And once you have it, you'll realize how often you get lost on road during the day. Neo RoadRunner takes our original ideas of openness and accessibility to an even greater realm. Neo RoadRunner is so amazingly simple. There really is no closed part. We built our software stack on top of MeeGo distribution and we use openstreetmap.org project as a source for our navigation data. You turn it on and instantly become discovered on the map at any place you are. It's perfect for all purposes. From the Aha! moment when we held our first prototypes, to the last few months as we worked around the clock to polish every last detail, this product was a joy to make and even more fun to experience. We are head-over-heels in love with Neo RoadRunner. Never have I found so much fun in the little moments of curiosity life offers us. Try one and I'm sure you'll agree that we've delivered the essence of GPS navigation in an addictively simple form factor. Sales start today at http://openmoko.com. Enjoy. Tell your friends. And let us know what you think! Sincerely Sean Moss-Pultz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [openmoko-announce] Neo RoadRunner
However, the site has not been updated. No info about it yet. is http://openmoko.org the right place to go? Thanks again. Kosa El 01/04/11 13:15, Kosa escribió: :D:D:D ¡qué chido!! Thanks for keeping the openhardware effort live and running :) Kosa El 01/04/11 12:58, Sean Moss-Pultz escribió: This email was sent via Anonymous email service for free. YOU CAN REMOVE THIS TEXT MESSAGE BY BEING A PAID MEMBER FOR $19/year. Message ID= 60854 Dear Community! Today, with the greatest of pleasure, I am ready to share with you the birth of our new product -- Neo RoadRunner. The world's first MeeGo powered GPS road navigation in the palm of your hand. Accessible immediately, anytime, anywhere without requiring an Internet connection. No strings attached. With Neo RoadRunner you'll be prepared for those unexpected moments when curiosity strikes. And once you have it, you'll realize how often you get lost on road during the day. Neo RoadRunner takes our original ideas of openness and accessibility to an even greater realm. Neo RoadRunner is so amazingly simple. There really is no closed part. We built our software stack on top of MeeGo distribution and we use openstreetmap.org project as a source for our navigation data. You turn it on and instantly become discovered on the map at any place you are. It's perfect for all purposes. From the Aha! moment when we held our first prototypes, to the last few months as we worked around the clock to polish every last detail, this product was a joy to make and even more fun to experience. We are head-over-heels in love with Neo RoadRunner. Never have I found so much fun in the little moments of curiosity life offers us. Try one and I'm sure you'll agree that we've delivered the essence of GPS navigation in an addictively simple form factor. Sales start today at http://openmoko.com. Enjoy. Tell your friends. And let us know what you think! Sincerely Sean Moss-Pultz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: test123
El 24/02/11 22:08, Joachim Steiger escribió: :) It worked Kosa ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v32 (experimental)
Great!!! Thanks!! :D:D:D:D:D Kosa El 19/01/11 15:53, Radek Polak escribió: Hi, i have released new experimental qtmoko images. They are now based on debian squeeze and they have new (not finished) bluetooth support based on bluez4. You can download and get more info here [1] [2]. Here are changes since v31: - switched from debian lenny-squeeze - switched from bluez3-bluez4 - fixed the bug in power manager (switching battery/lock/charger) - fixed USB device/host scripts for recent kernel - fixed default DNS - qx can install X server (xglamo/xorg-glamo) - X server is no longer in image - updated omhacks - fixed qvga in qmplayer/qmokoplayer - GPS is now really powered down when no one uses it - SD card image has also manual pages and other data - qemu build host for people who want to make release themselves (see [4]) - added files and info for native compiling on ARM host As far as i have tested - most of the stuff should be ok. But the release i marked experimental, because the changes are big. Bluetooth is still work in progress. There are still some functions not implemented and bluetooth handsfree is bugged (see below). I was able it to pair with new device, you can see available services, you can use obex for sending/receiving/browsing, A2DP works just fine. I am not sure if works the scenario when headset connects to Neo, but Neo-Headset direction works. There is also bug that sometimes you cant see just paired device. Workaround is exit bt settings and enter it back. Bluetooth handset: after pairing and connecting i can always hear phone ringing, i can use the buttons, but sound is there just randomly. For me it works somehing like this: remove pairing with headset (if any). reboot phone make normal call (no bluetooth headset involved) pair with headset connect handsfree make call with bt headset - sound is ok Once it starts working it's ok. It would be nice to reproduce this bug and fix it. Any suggestions and findings out how to reproduce are very welcome. As for QX - it can now install X server. You will need interenet connection. The xorg install should be quite ok, Xglamo install is hack, you will have to wait long time and it gives no output, but it should work. I'll fix it for next release. Enjoy new version and bug reports are welcome (alhought i can start fixing them not sooner then after 3 weeks). And also patches are welcome - i dont have single one for this release!!! Cheers Radek [1] https://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/Experimental/ [2] http://www.qtmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page [3] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/ [4] https://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/blob/master/doc/txt/debian_rootfs_howto.txt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wiki down?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El 27/12/10 11:55, Rafael Ignacio Zurita escribió: Hi Harald, --- On Tue, 12/21/10, Harald Welte lafo...@gnumonks.org wrote: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 12:58:40PM -0800, Rafael Ignacio Zurita wrote: --- On Tue, 12/14/10, Harald Welte lafo...@gnumonks.org wrote: Anyone knows what happened to the wiki.openmoko.org? Sorry, this was an unexpected after-effect due to a kernel update on one of our machines. The virtual machine running the wiki did not come up after the reboot for some reason, and I was only checking the mail / mailinglist service (a different vhost) after the reboot and thought everything was up and running. Please let me know if there are any other oddities, The projects site is down as well. I tried : http://projects.openmoko.org/ http://ffs.projects.openmoko.org/ Is that also related with those machines? Yes, it is related. However, the reason for the downtime is the fact that nobody is maintaining the projects.openmoko.org installation anymore, and it is running a machine with such old OS + software that for simple security reasons we had to take it down. I wish there was a different choice, but we are out of options. There is nobody maintaining projects.openmoko.org :( :-( Do you know if there is some backup of the projects web pages? I would like to get the index.html and few files of my project. I was hoping for a solution where we can keep all the old proejcts.om.org content in read-only mode, but once again, who is supposed to do the sysadmin work required for that? I do not know. Wel... I myself might not be able (have the time) to do so, but I'm part of a hacklab and WE could do that. It's not really a lot of work, just running some updates when necesary, right? If it's ok I'll email you directly to set it up. I think it'll be a good thing to have if we think about GTA04 is on its way to be produced... Cheers! Kosa - - Un mundo mejor es posible - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk0Y73IACgkQnc7Gunkl9eZcTwCggcAZjRwDyRC/3N+jpm+BOtFZ NW4An3TEU+Tj16fAsK8peWAXKN/qQbZL =NSox -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program
Great news! I will definitely buy one of those. Not just becouse I have a dead-by-drown FR collecting dust (wich case an lcd screen I can reuse), but also 'couse the FR is the best phone I have ever, I want to support opendevices development and this is the best way I can thank all FR users and developers effort have made so far. Cheers! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - El 21/12/10 09:33, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller escribió: Dear all, we are happy that we can make an announcement to the Free and Open Hardware Community, right in time for X-mas and New Year: We have finally tested, understood and patched the bugs of the first GTA04 sample board (a.k.a. GTA04A2) and have successfully started U-Boot. We can access the important peripherals like display, touch screen, and MMC card. So we are very confident that the already scheduled redesign (GTA04A3) will work right from the beginning and boot Linux. This looks like the start of the aera of new Openmoko devices. -- what it is -- For those who have not followed or are new to this project, the GTA04 is a OMAP3 based Smartphone Platform/Module [1] that fits as a motherboard replacement into a Openmoko Neo1973 or Freerunner case [2]. It is more or less the idea to squeeze a BeagleBoard into a handheld and was started by connecting a Openmoko Display to a BeagleBoard [3]. It will finally come with UMTS (HSPA), GPS, WLAN, Bluetooth, Accelerometer, Gyroscope, Altimeter, Compass, FM and an optional camera. An expansion B2B-connector allows to base a custom design on this module. A demo video of the GTA04A2 controlling the display and blinking the illuminated buttons is here [4]. A brief project description is [5]. Please excuse the low quality of the pictures, since our small team has so far focussed on hardware and software. The difference to off-the-shelf smartphones is that it will be well documented (CC-BY-SA) and schematics will be included in the spirit of the original Openmoko devices so that you can access all the nice peripherals we have designed into it. And through the expansion connectors you can also use it as a module in your design. And, it is a community project. Everyone is welcome to contribute. The driving force behind this project is Golden Delicious Computers (www.goldelico.com), a specialist for embedded hard-, firm- and software development located in Oberhaching near Munich, Bavaria, Germany. -- next steps -- A closed and safe process would be that we silently redesign the board (i.e. develop a GTA04A3), order some sample boards and test them. If everything finally works, we would order components and sit there and wait for them to arrive. Then, we would announce generaly availability in big ads in NYT and FAZ. In this mode, you may deduce, that you will not be able to get a GTA04 earlier than Summer next year if we don't run out of money before. -- early adopter program -- Therefore, we have thought hat we offer an early adoper program to the benefit of everybody. The idea is that you can order a GTA04A3 immediately. At a fixed price (280 EUR). And we take the risk that prices of components will change. You only take the risk that we may need more time to get the components and have to spin another PCB. Using your money, we will order the core components with a long lead time (OMAP, Memory, UMTS module) as soon as possible - and early enough before the GTA04A3 design is finished. This makes sure that we have enough components for the first batch to be produced. And we will not spend the money for anything else so that you could even visit us to see your chips... But please don't touch. Once, the GTA04A3 boards arrive, we will test some of them and if everything looks ok, we will produce your early adopter devices. Only in the case that the A3 board has another serious flaw, we will have to design a GTA04A4 board first. This all speeds up the process dramatically so that we currently estimate delivery of the first units by March 2011. The price has been set very low so that it just covers component and production cost at a reduced feature set (there are not all peripherals installed but UMTS and GPS will be). It might be possible to retrofit some of them. Please note that it does *not* include the LCD module, case and battery, because it is a motherboard-replacement to existing Openmoko units (Freerunner and Neo1973). And, we can't specify yet which version of the OMAP3 we will get (600/720/1000 MHz) and how big the RAM/NAND flash will be. But expect something similar to the BeagleBoard. Please note that we also have chosen to switch from a GTM501 UMTS module to a GTM601 which has even better performance (HSPA+). -- how to participate -- Here is the link to the EAP offer with more detailed conditions (there are some restrictions): http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04
Qtmoko repos
He there! First of all THANK YOU for working on qtMoko. It works great. Next, I wonder how dangerous it might be to change to squeeze repos. I'm not thinkig about an apt-get dist-upgrade, but there are a few apps (like pidgin) I would like to get from there. Thanks in advance. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qi QtMoko
El 12/12/10 03:20, Radek Polak escribió: Kosa wrote: I think the qtmoko-debian-v30.tar.gz comes without a kernel but instructions says nothing about getting a kernel from somewhere else. Thanks in advance. Ahh sorry, this is my bad. I was doing the image in haste and forgot to copy the kernel in /boot. So you can try: - some older release (v26 is 100% ok but still with old 2.6.29 kernel) - download uImage-v30.bin to /boot and rename it to uImage-GTA02.bin + in the same folder do: echo console=tty0 loglevel=3 rootwait append-GTA02 Again sorry for troubles, i didnt have much time for qtmoko in past weeks, but it should be better now. I hope i'll do new release soon. v30 has kernel with KMS patches which are probably causing SD card corruption so new release will be without them. Regards Radek Thanks again! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Qi QtMoko
Hi there! I've using SHR on my Neo for a year now without upgrading or tuning it. It just work from the begining and I only needed gps an gsm to be happy. Eventhough it start failing like a month ago and I want to try QtMoko. SHR is on nand, so I want to try qtmoko on the microsdcard, but instructions here[1] for doing so doesn't work, but they seem to be too easy, so I think I'm not doing it wrong and I'm looking for help. Step 1: Flash qi: worked. Step2: create an ext3 filesystem on the microSD: worked Step3: Untar qtmoko on the microSD: worked Step 4: Turn Neo on with the microSD in it so it boots qtmoko: fail I think the qtmoko-debian-v30.tar.gz comes without a kernel but instructions says nothing about getting a kernel from somewhere else. Thanks in advance. [1] http://qtmoko.org/wiki/Installation#Method_2:_Installing_on_microSD [2] http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/Experimental/qtmoko-debian-v30.tar.gz/download -- Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing the Freerunner Navigation Board
Christoph Mair escribió: Dear community, we are proud to release a hardware extension for our beloved Freerunner: a navigation board! That's amazing! Great work! would you mind to share why did you developed it? I know it will help and will be used by several project, but what's yours? As you also developed this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/I2C_Pressure_Sensor I certanly think the Neo is going somewhere in the outer space :p Cheers! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: project customers
Al Johnson escribió: On Sunday 18 April 2010, Juergen Schinker wrote: won't fit on the bike, but I would have his little brother for that. :) Ha why should it not fit on a Bike? Show me how you safely mount the little brother on your bike! I still haven't found a usable solution. I made a mount using polymorph (low-melting plastic similar to nylon) while others have made them by bending sheet plastics. There are photos in the wiki. The safe mount is the easy part. The hard part is the shade to make it readable in the sun. A transreflective screen would really have helped with this. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Biking http://andre.web-yard.de/blog/2008/08/03/neo-freerunner-rocks-hard-rides-free/ http://blog.printf.net/articles/2008/08/11/an-openmoko-bike-ride cheers! Kosa -Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: project customers
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) escribió: On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 02:18:45 +0200 Bernd Prünster bernd.pruens...@gmail.com said: ever heard of the touchbook?! I had not, but it looks great. I'll do some reading 'couse it looks very much like the device I was talking about. 299 or 399 + 29 for gps usb dongle + 80 of 3g seems a reasonable price to me. or joojoo... or one of the 1894 mee too ipad clones coming out (varying from arm based to x86 based). there is no room for a freerunner core based pad... - pushing that many pixels means more grunt. the gta02 already couldnt handle what it had. by a large margin. just buy one of these me-too pads and fidddle with it. hell if tangogps is the killer app - does an open os matter? Come on Raster, you know open os matters a lot. I didn't say tangogps is the only good app, I just said a bigger screen would be great for gps apps, as well as for lots of other apps. And I think there is a lot of space for a Freerunner open pad based if we talk about cutomers if you fix the already known bugs. Museums, cars, schools, etc, etc, etc. This is about project customers, right? Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: project customers
I ain't no expert on this, but since iPad is being a succesful mobil device, we could give a chance for a BIGGER Freerunner. Of course iPad won't sell as many pices as the iPhone has, but 400k seems good for a start. There's a huge market for the big touchscreen devices. What about trying to do some changes here and there to put a bigger screen (and a much bigger battery) on it. Most common linux apps would fit on that. Debian works great on the FR right know, and a bigger screen might be a killer spec 'couse almost every app would run with no changes needed. As I said, I ain't no expert, but you take glamo off, fix #1024, get a bigger screen and battery and leave everithing else as it is and you have a tremendous chance of succes. I would just add stereo speakers :p as in Neo 1973 AFAIK tangogps is THE killer app on the Freerunner, and it would be great to have a bigger screen for a gps device. It could even fit as a co-pilot for the car, as gps, phone, music, movies news player. It won't fit on the bike, but I would have his little brother for that. :) We might face the 3g problem, but AFAIR just one of the 3 iPad models includes 3g, so it is not a most. Not even for GTA03 nor GTA02-Core I guess a bigger device is easier to build BTW. Just a thought. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Werner Almesberger escribió: Carsten Haitzler wrote: if it's hard to communicate - you don't have a sales point. Yup, that's why I wouldn't belabour that angle for now. Whether and when the time for selling on open software alone will come depends on how constrained people feel with the non-open choices, and how many indirect benefits they get. For now, I'll be happy with the niche of project customers who need to tweak the hardware or who already understand why they cannot afford a closed system. That said, such a phone wouldn't have to be free from appeal to the mass market. It should definitely be as attractive as possible, but within reason. sure - but it seems those project customers want to feed off a stable supply line Stability is indeed crucial. I hope to be able to compensate with flexibility what we lack in sheer momentum. E.g., if you get, say, Motorola to make a design for you, and then Motorola decides to shut down or sell off that business unit, then you're left with pretty much nothing, no matter what your contracts say. With an open design, no mattern what happens with the makers of it, you still have the design - down to the last detail - and most of the information needed to produce it. You may still fail to recover from a breakdown in your supply, but your chances are vastly better. Also, since the supply is likely to be spread over multiple companies and individuals (who, in the Open world, enjoy a great deal of mobility) catastrophic failures that wipe out everything are less likely. Now, it remains to be seen whether prospective project customers will agree with these arguments or whether they prefer to stick with the traditional view and try to partner with companies that are too big to fail. In terms of numbers, I think cost levels out pretty well already at only a few kunits. If you're competing on the last 5%, you're already in the wrong game. i know that to you, or to many freedom advocates all this fancy eyecandy, sexy design, high end components etc. seems all irrelevant Heh, yet here I am, still using my sleek little Samsung X-830 as my daily phone, while keeping the ugly pucks in the lab :) The thing with bleeding edge components is that they cost you a lot (in various ways) at very little gain. Yes, you may get that extra push for today's fashionable effect, but by the time you hit the market, fashion will have changed. Better find your own style that doesn't come from the manuals of the Gigahertz war :-) - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)
rakshat hooja escribió: Anyway Qi's roadmap does say Open Phone in 2012 http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Roadmap So we continue to dream :) It says 2011 :) Cheers! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes What distribution you run most of the time? shr-u ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Newbie - Installing SHR on FreeRunner
Jörg König escribió: Hi folks! To make it short. Let me know if this is the wrong lists to post following question. Perhaps you can point me to the right list? It's not the wrong list, but shr has it's own user[1] an devel[2] list, so it might be a good place to ask if you cant's find all the help here. I just recently bought a used FreeRunner. And now I want to play around, especially I would like to try out different distributions. When I got it, it had hackable:1 on it. Now I'm trying to install SHR on it. I found a description for the installation process here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual It seems I didn't get it right. I downloaded the uSD card image. I was able to write is on the uSD card and I also could boot the first time. After a reboot, it stucks, saying: Unknown boot option `g-ether.host_addr=00:1F:11:01:0B:A3`: ignoring what image are you using? I'm not an expert on shr but shr-testing[3] is working fine for me so far (they just release it a couple of days ago, and shr-unstable[4] from november 30th it fine as well. Just be careful about using the right modules for the kernel. I *think* I was supposed to unpack the kernel and the modules too. Perhaps I also had to use `dfu-util` to write a new bootloader. However, what I'm trying to say is that the documentation is not that clear to me in that point. Since I want to use a uSD card, I concluded that I had to download uImage-xx, `full-om-gta02.tar.gz` and finally the modules. As you know you have to options: flash the kernel an image into the internal flash of the neo, and the other one is use an micro sd card. I myself prefer to do all the testing into the sd card an just flash a light and not pimped distro into the phone. The only reason is that untarng into the sd card is faster than flashing. If you flash you use dfu-utils, and flash the kernel an the image, start the neo, then log in via ssh, copy the modules an untar them into the / If you use the sd card you create (at least) two partitions and put the kernel (uImage.bin) in the first and the uncompresed image and modules into the other one. It normal if it takes longer to boot the first time, but it should take 1 2 minutes to boot the next time. The big question mark I have is when to apply the modules? Shouldn't I unpack them on the uSD card too? The documentation is mentioning to unpack them on the FreeRunner. Isn't it then too late? Noup, not too late. Modules are an optional thing to do. It should boot without them most of the times. For me it would be a good help to have a step by step tutorial with as few ifs as possible. Can somebody give me a hint to such a tutorial? The link you mentioned above and this[5] are supoosed to do that. Sorry it didn't. I might take a look at that, but my english is no that good and It could get a lot worse :p Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for any documentation! I know how it feels to work on assumptions how things work. I'm grateful for any hint! Looking forward to continue tweaking my little device. :-) Good look! And please be patient, it's not going to be nice an soft, but you can have a lot of fun, and you have a great thing in your hands :) Joerg KOsa - Un mundo mejor es posible - [1] http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user [2] http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-devel [3] http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ [4] http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ [5] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Prepare_the_SD_card ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] wifi connection
Arigead escribió: William Kenworthy wrote: On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 11:00 -0500, Iain B. Findleton wrote: Arigead wrote: Hello All, I was going to try and connect my FR to my laptop with an ad-hoc wifi connection but being as I've never even connected to infrastructure I decided that I'd start there. I followed the instructions in the wiki [1] but got some strange results: ifdown eth0 ifup eth0 ifdown: interface eth0 not configured WPA: Configuring Interface ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported udhcpc (v1.13.2) started run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/00avahi-autoipd exited with code 1 Sending discover... Sending discover... Sending select for 192.168.1.137... Sending select for 192.168.1.137... Lease of 192.168.1.137 obtained, lease time 3600 run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/00avahi-autoipd exited with code 1 adding dns 192.168.1.254 r...@om-gta02 /media/card $ ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:12:CF:8F:37:23 inet6 addr: fe80::212:cfff:fe8f:3723/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:751 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:381 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:353244 (344.9 KiB) TX bytes:9635 (9.4 KiB) It appears that I get offered an address by the DHCP server on the wifi but that it's not being used by eth0 for some reason. Is this a know issue. To be honest I've never tried to use the wifi part of the phone before and the wiki might be outdated, even for infrastructure mode? Cheers for any help that anybody has time to offer. I have similar problems getting wifi to work on SHR-U. In my case I get an address and configure the interface via dhcp, but can not establish any traffic to the interface. In one case I could ping a host but the transit time was enormous. The other thing I note from ifconfig is ridiculous RX and TX values, almost 1TB on an interface I never have used. Looks to me like a bug somewhere in the driver code. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Check route -n, and are you trying wifi with usb plugged in? - depending on the order you start/stop interfaces the default route could either be wrong or missing. And which version of shr-u - latest, or older. BillK Hi BillK, your response motivated me to look at the latest shr-u image as I was using one from mid November. Thought I'd best update it even thought I'm sort of happy with what I've got at present. I do want to use wifi for a demo so off we go. I grabbed the shr-u kernel from 29th of November and the lite rootfs from 30th. Bit of a WTF moment there when I failed to find any wifi antenna setting in Settings/Connectivity where I'm used to seeing it. Decided that I'd just enable the eth0 interface with an ifup but get told that interface don't exist. Maybe I leaped too far forward in time. Have you any recommendations as to which version to use? I might go back a version and see how I get on. Maybe I should be using the full root-fs but I only want the basics at present. I did in the mean time discover coova-chilli for the first time. That one slipped under my radar, like a good many other things. I'll go back in time but if you've any advice on a good image let me know. Cheers Shr teams just announced the release of a testing-image and it seems to work fine. Mokoconnect is not working but I have been able to set up a wifi connection to both wep (without password) and wpa-psk networks using the termninal. Take a look at here: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ Cheers! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tuxbrain first anniversary
David Reyes Samblas Martinez escribió: Dear all, Is for me a pleasure and proud to announce this week Tuxbrain the company that has born thanks to the inspiration of Openmoko is now one year old :) a good moment to thanks all that make us enjoy this first year of live, those who has make us learn, and of course to all that had buy something there :) To celebrate it we have down the price of the Frerrunner A6+[1] My only wish when I blow the candle is to enjoy next year as much as this one. A big Thank you and and a bigger hug to you all [1]http://www.tuxbrain.net/en/content/tuxbrain-first-anniversary Felicidades compañero!!! Reciban un gran abrazo! ¡que sean muchos más! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: On touch gps to sms
sam tygier escribió: Kosa wrote: Hi there! I kindda need to write an app to turn the gps on, wait for the gps to have 1.0 HDOP send the coordenates through an sms and turn the gps of. I first wanted to ask if anyone did that already. I think it would be prety easy as gps can be turned on and off using python, an there's a python script to send sms too, right? it would be nice for this to work the other way too. eg, receive a SMS with GPS coordinates in, and have a 'show on map' or 'set way point button'. sam Yep, that's part of the plan. I'll work on it and let you know. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
On touch gps to sms
Hi there! I kindda need to write an app to turn the gps on, wait for the gps to have 1.0 HDOP send the coordenates through an sms and turn the gps of. I first wanted to ask if anyone did that already. I think it would be prety easy as gps can be turned on and off using python, an there's a python script to send sms too, right? Any hint would be greatly wellcomed. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: On touch gps to sms
Kosa escribió: Hi there! I kindda need to write an app to turn the gps on, wait for the gps to have 1.0 HDOP send the coordenates through an sms and turn the gps of. I first wanted to ask if anyone did that already. I think it would be prety easy as gps can be turned on and off using python, an there's a python script to send sms too, right? Any hint would be greatly wellcomed. I remeber someone posted a python script to send sms directly from console, but I can't find it. any hint? Kosa -Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Off Topic
Niels Heyvaert escribió: How about first waiting to see the specs hear how hackable it is etc to guesstimate how much community will there be around it and use this to guess if it makes sense to start a new list? You mean=2C let's wait until it becomes a problem and than we'll think abou= t how to control the situation and pray to God some FR people will still be= on the list after the dust has settled? You personally might think it is not a problem while others don't want to b= e bothered with it and already see it as a problem.=20 I still go for the pragmatic approach: two completely separate gizmos =3D t= wo different user groups =3D two different lists You can always subscribe to multiple lists if you want. But we can always ask for those who write about Wikireader to use a [wikireader] tag on the subject. That way you can filter everything with that tag, so it never gets to you inbox. We have done that with the distros and it has worked quite good. This is good couse it's still an Openmoko product, and it concerns to the Openmoko community. I'm willing to read about it on the community updates too, 'couse that's not just about the FR anyway. My 2 centavos. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader
Sean Moss-Pultz escribió: Dear Community! Today, with the greatest of pleasure, I am ready to share with you the birth of our third product -- WikiReader. Three simple buttons put three million Wikipedia articles in the palm of your hand. Accessible immediately, anytime, anywhere without requiring an Internet connection. No strings attached. With WikiReader you'll be prepared for those unexpected moments when curiosity strikes. And once you have it, you'll realize how often you ask yourself questions during the day. That's just great! Congratulations! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader
David Reyes Samblas Martinez escribió: 2009/10/13 Kosa k...@piradio.org: Sean Moss-Pultz escribió: Dear Community! Today, with the greatest of pleasure, I am ready to share with you the birth of our third product -- WikiReader. Three simple buttons put three million Wikipedia articles in the palm of your hand. Accessible immediately, anytime, anywhere without requiring an Internet connection. No strings attached. With WikiReader you'll be prepared for those unexpected moments when curiosity strikes. And once you have it, you'll realize how often you ask yourself questions during the day. That's just great! Congratulations! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Hey Kosa!! you finally are free to speech about it :) , you are good keeping a secret :) Yes!!! I did!! I am!! :d cheers! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix party at Debconf09 pics aviable :)
I'm reading this. Is that what your asking? Cheers Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Rui Miguel Silva Seabra escribió: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:05:19AM +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: There are some more from other camera unpublished yet but a great bunch of them are avialable with comments in spanish and english english version here http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/there-and-back-againtuxbrain-debconf09-pics I'm working on the subtitles of the vids I hope I can finish them soon Are you getting my emails? There's a serious problem... Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WSOD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Don't fear... It won't be damaged for only 1minute and in tap Water. Salted water (sea) can damage it. Yes it can, My FR got dropped into the sea and it's dead. It still turns on an I get a bright-white screen as the WSOD, and the wierd thing, it still gets the charged, but I can't do nothing. I get no 'nor' nor nand. The good part, It happend two months ago and I just got a new one into my office today, I'll picl it up tomorrow and I'll be happy again. A pretty stange thing... Yesterday evening I opened my moko to show to some moko users the #1024 fix. I closed it, and WSOD ! It means : no nand boot, no nor boot, only white screen but keep charging (red power button) I was a bit affraid of loosing my dear moko. I opened it agin, removing Wifi module and opening the GSM can (doing exactly what I did last night). Then I put everything together, peacefully (I mean before my morning coffee), blowing everywhere to remove some dust. (?) Finally, I crossed my fingers, touch a rabbit leg, and pressed the power button... Ta-da ! It booted again ... No more WSOD, a nice BlackScreenWithConfusingWhiteText was rolling. If it can help someone. Thomas Well, it didn't work :( but I'm happy enough with the new one. If anyone else knows if there's anything I can do with it, please let me know. Kosa - - Un mundo mejor es posible - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkqEKLEACgkQmveDdjvKcqh8QACfeVpGBqpx910IJYuScMVXn5W7 naAAoKhQNVKXCr7FZ9nA51em55cndkVr =hcLJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Repair a dead Freerunner (was: Re: WSOD)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Does Openmoko or any other distribuitor offer a repair service? I mean, if the mainboard is dead, but the gps, the wifi, the screen and the case work, it might be cheaper to to get a new mainboard than to buy a new FR. I can send it anywhere if someone can tell for sure what is damaged, and offer a spare part to fix it. Kosa - - Un mundo mejor es posible - Philippe Lhardy escribió: Well, it didn't work :( but I'm happy enough with the new one. If anyone else knows if there's anything I can do with it, please let me know. Kosa - - Un mundo mejor es posible - yes : - an ashtray - a mirror - a puck to play ShufflePuck Café with - ... If there is nothing to do to revive it, at lesat each sub piece can be used to repair the other one if something bad happens to it ... I made repaired my openmoko and the new button i have come from a spare one... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkqERqsACgkQmveDdjvKcqg+OwCgkP0h1ZH24kHQ6GbowLIzgBKl rv4AoIDAy7LmpBavrQsUdxwqleIfhz+Q =y2dz -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WSOD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It might work... I'll try that tomorrow morining. I already have the new one right here on my desk, but I could use two of them to do lots of funny things :) I'll let you now :) Kosa - - Un mundo mejor es posible - Thomas HOCEDEZ escribió: Kosa a écrit : Don't fear... It won't be damaged for only 1minute and in tap Water. Salted water (sea) can damage it. Yes it can, My FR got dropped into the sea and it's dead. It still turns on an I get a bright-white screen as the WSOD, and the wierd thing, it still gets the charged, but I can't do nothing. I get no 'nor' nor nand. The good part, It happend two months ago and I just got a new one into my office today, I'll picl it up tomorrow and I'll be happy again. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community A pretty stange thing... Yesterday evening I opened my moko to show to some moko users the #1024 fix. I closed it, and WSOD ! It means : no nand boot, no nor boot, only white screen but keep charging (red power button) I was a bit affraid of loosing my dear moko. I opened it agin, removing Wifi module and opening the GSM can (doing exactly what I did last night). Then I put everything together, peacefully (I mean before my morning coffee), blowing everywhere to remove some dust. (?) Finally, I crossed my fingers, touch a rabbit leg, and pressed the power button... Ta-da ! It booted again ... No more WSOD, a nice BlackScreenWithConfusingWhiteText was rolling. If it can help someone. Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkqDpH8ACgkQmveDdjvKcqhxYQCeLsx0Vy9T1RHjaZWFB0SmwMZK lM8AnAt8VOJNMYXdAfarbNPithanTc9A =No8D -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian installation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ¡Hola Esteban! :) Hay una lista en español en la que seguro te pueden (podemos) ayudar, y en esta misma lista hay varios threads. Checa http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian y sigue esos pasos logueado por ssh. ¡saludos! Kosa - - Un mundo mejor es posible - Esteban Monge escribió: try debian kernel... ;-) Hello thanks for the answers... I must download the kernel of http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6-openmoko/? And how download the driver modules? Or the kernel have the kernel modules? hola! do you happen to have a usb keyboard that perhaps can work while you are trouble shooting? I need buy the adaptor =( 2009/8/7 Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com mailto:dsca...@gmail.com try debian kernel... ;-) d On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 6:23 AM, jeremy jozwik jerjoz.for...@gmail.com mailto:jerjoz.for...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Esteban Mongeesteban.franci...@gmail.com mailto:esteban.franci...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. Sorry for my very bad english, I speak spanish... hola! do you happen to have a usb keyboard that perhaps can work while you are trouble shooting? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- http://nuevaeracr.blogspot.com Linux user number 478378 Linux machine number 386687 Tec. Esteban Monge Marín Tel: (506) 8379-3562 “No habrá manera de desarrollarnos y salir de la pobreza mientras los pocos negocios grandes de nuestro medio se entreguen a las economías foráneas y nosotros nos quedemos con solo negocios de pobre, mientras en vez de ser propietarios de nuestro propio país nos convirtamos en un ejército de empleados del exterior” José Figueres Ferrer, 1952. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkqBfC0ACgkQmveDdjvKcqicpQCgj/nEt8VskLL3iMRCdmop7i4Y S1AAnigyM+xG2vpYVihWmR2vSfnTRgNj =4L/o -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR Battery fell into water, is it still useable?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Don't fear... It won't be damaged for only 1minute and in tap Water. Salted water (sea) can damage it. Yes it can, My FR got dropped into the sea and it's dead. It still turns on an I get a bright-white screen as the WSOD, and the wierd thing, it still gets the charged, but I can't do nothing. I get no 'nor' nor nand. The good part, It happend two months ago and I just got a new one into my office today, I'll picl it up tomorrow and I'll be happy again. Kosa - - Un mundo mejor es posible - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkqCA68ACgkQmveDdjvKcqh9awCfWds77+k1NQ/H0RvKDa86I1KI LI0AnA+tyG4xu5IAE3PuFWplwDm34rLr =TM/1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
Congrats Steve! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - steven mosher wrote: A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture. Drop by and say hello. http://www.qi-hardware.com/ Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Project B guessing game was[ Re: Pat Meier (=public relation of Openmoko)]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm not sure if I can share this, but I KNOW what it is :) Sometime ago I clicked on the right (or wrong) place and I found images and even a video about it. I promissed Wolfgang I wouldn't tell, so I will not, but I can give some other hints :) It doesn't have one, but theree buttons. My dos centavos Kosa - - Un mundo mejor es posible - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkowffwACgkQmveDdjvKcqgAZQCdHatsqRTMYoh/J5gdPicqlDJS 9MgAnjo7LFcl7mmh0c1HvPW/24eE52Rg =L7mT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visit at Openmoko
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 William Lai escribió: Kosa wrote: Thanks Steve, Wolfgang, Sean, Brenda, Michael, Joerg, Tony Tu, everyone. Thanks. Um.. We are very much alive and well -- That's official. Thanks for caring. Regards, Will (I work here) According to the wiki, you and Sean are the only ones who still work there, but you are right, you are alive :) I forgot to mention Andy, the Rasterman, Harald, Mickey, Carsten, Werner, Harry, Mirko, Graeme, Zecke and some others, so thanks to you too. You did a great work. Kosa - - Un mundo mejor es posible - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkocEsMACgkQmveDdjvKcqhcBQCfd6xJkO6CD5pKTHrrWng4k5El L80AoLID+rhdTOB4FG8BWkB/a+H5WoOe =PcOm -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visit at Openmoko
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I do too. I'm very sad, but the freerunner is open, so we can still do a lot with it. Thanks Steve, Wolfgang, Sean, Brenda, Michael, Joerg, Tony Tu, everyone. Thanks. Kosa - - Un mundo mejor es posible - Rui Miguel Silva Seabra escribió: I subscribe this message! (picture me with a big thumbs up) Thank you very much, guys! Rui Seabra, omnewrotate On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:45:32PM +0200, Marcus Bauer wrote: A *BIG*, no a *HUGE* thank you to all the openmoko employees who worked these last years without ever being in the spot light but nevertheless doing a great job!!! All the best for your future, Openmoko would not have been possible without you. You have opened new horizions and I am sure the future will prove the concept was right but ahead of its time... Thanks again for a great job, Marcus Bauer, tangoGPS On Tue, 26 May 2009 01:03:40 +0800 Sven Klomp s...@klomp.de wrote: On Tuesday 26 May 2009 00:46:27 Thomas White wrote: A not unimportant snippet of information is missing: How long ago was this? I visited them yesterday (25th). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkobB00ACgkQmveDdjvKcqjo9ACdHbiiLYL4tm/ptohnic0lKf+g JY0An0j2tY5YRJjpfY/sCJIDyrhXmXf4 =K3FW -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Slashdotted
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrés Calderón escribió: Slashdotted again: Openmoko Phone Not Dead After All http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/09/220244 Andrés Calderón :) Kosa - - Un mundo mejor es posible - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkneoisACgkQmveDdjvKcqihWACfdcrWXzYlsZ4NlaL8JC4ABDhE JpgAmQEwexdRanTeuVwJ+pQbDgzbdQLg =6vdM -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Slashdotted
Thanks fo that. Just a recomendation. I don't know know if you yourself (hope that's well written since english is not my first language) upload that video, but I think it could be a good idea to rename it so it includes "openmoko" on the title. It wuld be easier to find for those who are not on the list, but have heard about OM. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Steve Mosher escribió: Thanks Anthony. For the sake of everyone who hasnt read my posts on this or seen the video of seans speech. Let me say that your position is the one we settled on. spend our resources on the FR and then fund a modest project: project B. Put the GTA03 on hold and find a way to involve the community more in its development. inlined below find an advanced copy of my official comments. stuff I send to the press. As a side note on this, these official comments grew out of posts I made here first. During sean's presentation someone commented that our approach to open business was the most radical he had seen. It is. and it presents great challenges for all of us. Seans video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFuwhPXYxxIfeature=PlayListp=96FB31DA6E4012DAindex=1 I'll have my video up in a bit, an interview. Here's the advance copy of my comments to the press. During the last week Openmoko has had two great events. First the Embedded System Conference, ESC) and second, the OpenExpo in Bern. Those events could not have been more well timed for us because we had two major announcements to make: a thrust into the embedded systems market and the announcement of a new device, not a phone but an entirely new open device. The launch into the embedded systems market is a case of the market finding the manufacturer. We designed the FreeRunner as an open phone. After it launched we started to receive requests from customers we never dreamed existed: Innovators who wanted to change the case or add in additional hardware. People who wanted to resell the phone with their software added. The collective creativity outside the company, dwarfed the creativity within the company. Our customers truly are an army of Davids. To seize this opportunity we decided to open up our CAD files, and open up our schematics. That way these new-found markets can develop for themselves products that we don’t have the resources to develop. So, over the next few months you’ll see us make a more focused effort in this market space. As a platform for embedded development, nothing compares to the FreeRunner: Open schematics; Open CAD; Open hardware; Open software. At OpenExpo we had a keynote speech in the business track. This gave us the opportunity to explain some of the change in focus we’ve made in the past month. Our CEO Sean Moss-Pultz delivered the presentation and I’ll take some space here to explain in a bit more detail the background behind these exciting changes. Sean discussed three things: 1. Our successes. 2. Our mistakes. 3. Our challenges It’s vitally important when addressing the challenges of the future to assess and understand your past success. Openmoko launched its first developer phone in July of 07 and the FreeRunner shipped in July of 08. Sales tripled. Not only did we build a phone; we built a company and distribution network in the process. We also helped others build their own businesses around the FreeRunner. Our takeaway lessons were as follows: Open Products can be successful in the marketplace; being Open multiplies everyone’s business opportunities. For our mistakes we identified these: Open Product design is very hard as there is a tendency to make too many changes. Our culture is not authoritarian. We also tended to view hardware with a “software” mentality, as something that could be easily changed or patched. Our challenge going forward is to seize the opportunity we see in the embedded space and push forward the cause of open hardware. And we had to make some choices about how to spend the balance of 2009. There were essentially three projects going on inside OpenMoko: ongoing support of FreeRunner; Development of a follow on phone, the GTA03; and development of project “B”. From a resources standpoint we could pick any two. Given the traction we see in the embedded space and given our passionate commitment to current FreeRunner owners and developers it was easy to pick that project. Nine months after launching FreeRunner with tremendous support from the community the product is coming into its own with a diverse set of distributions that run on it, from android to debian. Then comes the choice between project “B” and the GTA03. There were two paths: A: Fulfill our promises on FreeRunner and launch GTA03 B: Fulfill our promises on FreeRunner and launch project B. We will talk more about project B in the coming months, but these salient facts guided our decisions: 1. GTA03 was in constant flux as a design. 2. GTA03 schedule was consequently always s
Re: Booting from MicroSD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 http://n2.nabble.com/-FSO--Milestone-5%2C-uBoot-and-SD%2C-any-success--tp2303206p2303856.html Kosa - - Un mundo mejor es posible - ik escribió: Yes, it is u-boot. How can I do that ? Thanks, Ido On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Xavier Cremaschi omega.xav...@gmail.com mailto:omega.xav...@gmail.com wrote: You probably need to remove 'ro' from kernel options of your boot loader (uboot I presume) Xavier. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAknQ9EcACgkQmveDdjvKcqgfCQCeJgjDrkTYsyPKs07P4EUd7xSO vCwAoK45Gk8v+H5RL+EwnsijnKkNDYol =45FB -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Changing where TangoGPS stores map files
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Adam Jimerson escribió: On Saturday 14 March 2009 01:28:34 pm Patrick Beck wrote: Hallo, you can change it in the Config tab under repository information. with kind regards Patrick Do I need to create a new repository for it? Every time I try and edit the OSM repo changing the cache dir from /home/root/Maps to /media/card/Maps (I moved the Maps directory onto the card before hand so I won't lose the data that I had already) tangoGPS crashes. You might want to move all of you maps to the sd card and then create a symbolink link to it. Something like # cd /home/root # mv Maps /media/card/ # ln -s /media/card/Maps Kosa - - Un mundo mejor es posible - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkm8ELUACgkQmveDdjvKcqj/WQCfT1O66e91un0Gm4oOS7RpKTi/ ixkAn2W2vaA3wJbWDu++HQ6sEbdWK4tF =jzpa -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Context based usage of the 'AUX' button
The Digital Pioneer escribió: Well, I definitely think there could stand to be some context-based usage of AUX. However, I've just flashed SHR-Unstable and now AUX doesn't do anything at all. Uhh, that's not OK, I really liked having the lock screen feature. Now I have to suspend the dumb thing just to wipe off the screen... really? I installed SHR- Unstable on the sd yestarday and tha aux does lock the screen. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Report] - Buzz fix
I also have the 850 and the buzz doesn't appear to me but my friends notice when i use that phone because i either echo or buzz, sometimes a nasty combination of both. The same for me, I don't listen any buzz, but everyone say a lot of bad-words about the noise! I guess I am loosing friends, hehehe. For me, the buzz is absolutly strength signal related. Here in my room, I hear a very very very low buzz, but the other side complains about it. Well, not really, they say there's a buzz only when I ask about it. On the other hand, if I'm on the street, or at the roof, and I ask, many people say they have never heard a clearer cellphone call. I'm nox exagerating: that's what they say. Echo apears only if I turn up the volume. The other side hears it, but I don't. Kosa ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: separate mailing lists for each GTA device?
Ben Wilson escribió: I'm not a heavy openmoko mailing list user but I do read some of it to try and keep up to date. As an owner of a GTA01 I find it quite tricky to keep up to date on the state-of/discussion-on GTA01 because of the massive volume of GTA02 communications. Feel free to argue either way on this idea but maybe it would be beneficial to have a separate list for GTA01 and maybe GTA02/03 as well. A place where people could talk about issues only related to a single device or give updates on the status of things for that device. I'm probably not alone in my email filters to move list emails into folders GTA01, GTA02, GTA03 and GTA04 if they contain that text, which isn't a very good solution to the problem. What are your thoughts on it? or other possible solutions. Ben. +1 GTA01 is not the same thing as GTA02, even if they have the same case. I think GTA03 is not going to have the same case, and I think it will certanly need it's own list. Now we know Openmoko is not working on one, but two new products, which I think would need their own list too. Community's mailing list will still be full of all kind of topics and devices, but separated mailinglists for those who don't want / have the time to read tons of emails to stay up to date. What if one of those products OM is working on is a tablet, or a gps device? I don't think they would fit very well on the same list with the Frerunner and 1973. Cheers Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[FSO] unable to install zhone
Hi there, I saw waiting for MS5 to try FSO, but since it's not ready yet I decided to try MS4, but it does not come with any phone SF and I wanted to try zhone, but I just can't. opkg install zhone complains about libpython version, but versions seems to be ok. r...@om-gta02:~# opkg install zhone Installing zhone (0.0.2+gitr0+d9d0a80e5444cd24b5e14082bb10e8d2cdd01fe8-r11) to root... Downloading http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-unstable/feeds/armv4t/zhone_0.0.2+gitr0+d9d0a80e5444cd24b5e14082bb10e8d2cdd01fe8-r11_armv4t.ipk Collected errors: * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for zhone: * libpython2.5-1.0 (= 2.5.2) * r...@om-gta02:~# opkg list_installed |grep libpython libpython2.6-1.0 - 2.6.1-ml0 - r...@om-gta02:~# This happens with fso testing and unstable. fso stable comes with zhone preinstalled, but it fails after opkg upgrade any hints? Thanks in advance. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02
You forgot to put om2008.12 as an distro option, which is the most stable distro I've found. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - bytestore escribió: Mmmm.. please vote you request in this site Freerunner as a daily phone? http://openmoko.spb.ru/viewtopic.php?f=4t=17 Which distribution you use on freerunner? http://openmoko.spb.ru/viewtopic.php?f=4t=16 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[FSO] Milestone 5?
any news? Never tried FSO before, but I decided to give milestone 5 a try :) Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is there an echo-free distro?
om2008.12 is completly echo free. In the other hand, when gsm signal is very week, there is a little buzz. Noboby has complained about it, but this is the first thing I ask :p Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Yogiz escribió: Hi, I'm currently using a quite customized but up to date version of Om2008.9 testing (equal to Om2008.12?). It otherwise wonderful but I still can't use the Freerunner as a normal cellphone with it yet as I still get echo on the other side both for calls coming in and for the ones going out. My other phone is basically falling apart so I'll need to move to Freerunner for phone calls as well so I'd like to ask, which distros are currently the best for it. As I've understood the FSO does not have the echo problem [citation needed] so I thought I'd move to that. Are there any better options? I'd prefer a distro where I can use opkg but If none of these have decent call quality then I'll settle for something else. Yogiz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Repos
Yep, you are rigth, but be careful about mixing feeds, it might break you system. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster escribió: Did i get it right that when adding/removing a feed i can leave arch.conf untouched? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[2008.12] Help with Om.2008.12 on microsd
Hi there, I've been trying to boot 2008.12 from a microsd but it just can't. It starts booting but then it stops with an Only GTA01 hardware supported by ASoc driver message. It is not the card 'couse it works fine with fdom and shr. Thanks in advance. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Getting rid of Android
Well, I might be losing something, but... what happens if you press AUX + power? At least you have changed nor using a debubg board you should get a boot menu where you can choose to boot from the microsd card (you can change which one to use by pressing the aux button and select it with the power on one). Then you could boot from the microsd and rebuild your partitinons and get rid of Andrioid. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Vasili Sviridov escribió: Actually I remember reflashing NAND uBoot at some point in time when I was installing Android, so I might restore that first... V. Flyin_bbb8 wrote: how about the nor uboot? same list? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Getting rid of Android
vsviri...@exceede.com escribió: Hello everyone, Is there a way to get rid of Android on my OpenMoko? For some reason I cannot re-flash anything anymore. I always get an error message from dfu-util, saying that the 'alternate rootfs unavailable' or something very similar. And when I do 'dfu-util -l' i get about 7 partitions, all of which are marked as UNKNOWN. You might want to try installing any other distro on the microsd and boot from it. Then you can use fdisk to remove those partitions and try again. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Thanks, Vasili. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
Hi there, I first know from openmoko reading Harald's Welte blog [1] two years ago, and after some reading I thought Openmoko was a great project. Time past and Harald quitted. He explain a llittle it about it in his blog but I was too in love with the idea of a free and open phone/pda and I kept reading about it. Some time later Openmoko hired the Rasterman and a little bit later he quitted too. Now it's been a while since Michel Siloh doesn't write. I know you don't need/have to explan that, and I'm not really sure if I'd like to know what happened, but two of the best hackers are gone, and they could have help a lot more as full time OM developers. Hum... not really a question. Sorry. Thank you Sean an everyone on the OM tema for your time and effort. Let's keep impacting the material world. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/linux/openmoko/index.html Minh Ha Duong escribió: Dear friends, Sean kindly agreed to be interviewed for the next edition of the Community Update newsletter. I invite every subscriber of this list to post the question or questions that s-he cares about most. No gloves. The general topic is Openmoko, the community, past-present-future, but yours truly will select with undue care the 3-5 most interesting / provocative / popular / relevant / funny / whatever and forward them to Sean next Monday. You may send your questions in this mailing list thread or privately to me. Minh PS: Everybody knows that Sean Moss-Pultz is Openmoko CEO, but you may also be interested to find that many of his past interviews are available here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko:Current_events http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Press_Coverage ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I realy like them
lol :D drac2000 escribió: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes :-p ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FBReader now working on the FreeRunner
Easy dude, there is a discussion taking place about that right know on this very list, and this kind of comments don't help at all. Be aware of the last thing we need is one more flame. You made some incredible points about why should we have a community manager and what things he or she might be doing, but then again, this does not help at all. BTW, if you change the topic of the thread, you change the subject as well. No need to be the CM to say that. ;-) Cheers! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Rod Whitby escribi: If Openmoko had a community manager, that person would contact Michael directly and: 1) Invite Michael to get commit privs and commit this patch himself directly to the OM repo. This may include teaching about how it all works. or 2) Grab the patch, add it to the repo themselves (if Michael is not keen to become a full developer) and 3) Make sure the autobuilders for all the different distributions build this package and put it in the official feeds. 4) Add the entry to opk.org Then all Openmoko users would benefit from Michael's work, and hopefully Michael would accept the offer of commit access (and access to do everything else above for himself) and be able to port many more applications for Openmoko without needing the intervention of the community manager in the future. -- Rod -Original Message- From: Michael Sheldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, Oct 13, 2008 5:55 am Subject: FBReader now working on the FreeRunner To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.orgReply-To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Hi all, Ive just spent the day hacking on FBReader to make it work correctly under OpenMoko (OM2008.*). Until now its been pretty much unusable due to the GPE version of FBReader expecting you to be using a device that has some physical buttons which then get bound to vital functions like turning the page. The changes Ive made are as follows: * Add scroll forward/backward buttons to the toolbar * Add fullscreen mode button to the toolbar (doesnt have an icon at the moment, its the third button from the right) * Change fullscreen mode so that it doesnt hide the toolbar (otherwise theres no way to get back from fullscreen mode) * Switch to using the much prettier blue tango icons * Make the line separation larger so the text doesnt overlap * Reduce the font size * Change the default colours to match openmokos colour scheme better (and so its a little easier on the eyes) And most importantly * Make it so that tapping the sides of the screen turns the books pages (left = backwards, right = forwards) Heres a screenshot of what it used to look like: http://blog.mikeasoft.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/fbreader-orig.png And what it looks like with my patches: http://blog.mikeasoft.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/fbreader-openmoko.png To install it simply run: opkg install http://mikeasoft.com/~mike/openmoko/enca_1.9-r3_armv4t.ipk http://mikeasoft.com/~mike/openmoko/fbreader_0.8.2a-r6+elleopatches_om-gta02.ipk (all on one line) For those interested the patch can also be downloaded from http://mikeasoft.com/~mike/openmoko/fbreader-openmoko.patch. Bonus points for anyone who knows what book Im testing it with in the screenshots (without googling) ;). Cheers, Mike. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Example of community manager job role (Was: FBReader now working on the FreeRunner)
Hi Rod, I do think it was a good example of what a CM might do, it's just that I feel you could find a better way to say it. As said before, you have made some point about it, it was just the way. Thanks again. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Rod Whitby escribió: Kosa, I can't understand how you took my mail to be a flame? (Apologies for not changing the title - I've rectified that now). What I was trying to do was to point out with a real example what Steve was asking for - what would a community manager do to bring one more very effective developer "into the fold" - e.g. working inside the openmoko framework in a way that incrementally builds on existing openmoko developer resources rather than needing to have packages that are patched versions of packages in the existing openmoko source base but due to not having commit privs end up being totally disconnected from that source base, autobuilder and official feeds. If the below 4 steps were done for every external developer who announces a new tool, then we wouldn't need to have the discussion about how opkg.org links to external feeds and ensures the security of downloads, since everything would be coming from the official feeds and built with the trusted openmoko autobuilder. And we'd have many more application developers feeling empowered to port applications have their work known and used by the maximum number of people. Seriously dude, this is meant to help improve the openmoko community, not flame about it. -- Rod Kosa wrote: Easy dude, there is a discussion taking place about that right know on this very list, and this kind of comments don't help at all. Be aware of the last thing we need is one more flame. You made some incredible points about why should we have a community manager and what things he or she might be doing, but then again, this does not help at all. BTW, if you change the topic of the thread, you change the subject as well. No need to be the CM to say that. ;-) Cheers! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Rod Whitby escribió: If Openmoko had a community manager, that person would contact Michael directly and: 1) Invite Michael to get commit privs and commit this patch himself directly to the OM repo. This may include teaching about how it all works. or 2) Grab the patch, add it to the repo themselves (if Michael is not keen to become a full developer) and 3) Make sure the autobuilders for all the different distributions build this package and put it in the official feeds. 4) Add the entry to opk.org Then all Openmoko users would benefit from Michael's work, and hopefully Michael would accept the offer of commit access (and access to do everything else above for himself) and be able to port many more applications for Openmoko without needing the intervention of the community manager in the future. -- Rod -Original Message- From: Michael Sheldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, Oct 13, 2008 5:55 am Subject: FBReader now working on the FreeRunner To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.orgReply-To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Hi all, I’ve just spent the day hacking on FBReader to make it work correctly under OpenMoko (OM2008.*). Until now it’s been pretty much unusable due to the GPE version of FBReader expecting you to be using a device that has some physical buttons which then get bound to vital functions like turning the page. The changes I’ve made are as follows: * Add scroll forward/backward buttons to the toolbar * Add fullscreen mode button to the toolbar (doesn’t have an icon at the moment, it’s the third button from the right) * Change fullscreen mode so that it doesn’t hide the toolbar (otherwise there’s no way to get back from fullscreen mode) * Switch to using the much prettier blue tango icons * Make the line separation larger so the text doesn’t overlap * Reduce the font size * Change the default colours to match openmoko’s colour scheme better (and so it’s a little easier on the eyes) And most importantly… * Make it so that tapping the sides of the screen turns the book’s pages (left = backwards, right = forwards) Here’s a screenshot of what it used to look like: http://blog.mikeasoft.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/fbreader-orig.png And what it looks like with my patches: http://blog.mikeasoft.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/fbreader-openmoko.png To install it simply run: opkg install http://mikeasoft.com/~mike/openmoko/enca_1.9-r3_armv4t.ipk http://mikeasoft.com/~mike/openmoko/fbreader_0.8.2a-r6+elleopatches_om-gta02.ipk (all on one line) For those interested the patch can also be downloaded from http://mikeasoft.com/~mike/openmoko/fbreader-openmoko.patch. Bonus points for anyone who knows what book I’m testing it with in the screenshots (without googling) ;). Chee
Re: FR adapter - shocking experience!
hahaha. We should find the way to send a litle shock when trying to snooze the alarm three times. :-) Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Fox Mulder escribió: Carsten Gerlach wrote: Hi, Am Donnerstag 09. Oktober 2008 9:36:26 am schrieb Christ van Willegen: this morning, I pulled the FR adapter out of the (230 VAC) socket, and accidentally touched one of the prongs. I experienced a short shock. I can confirm that. I had the same feeling this morning, too. This is a nice way to better wake up in the morning. :) Ciao, Rainer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Lost Openmoko Community
Bravo! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - David Samblas escribió: When some body feels lost is because he doen't planned the trip enough, before come in strange territory you must have maps and read about uses and customs of the aboriginal and if the case earn enough of their language to , when if all plans fail, ask where you are and how to go any where. I'm a foreigner too, but when I feel lost I don't sit down and cry, I search for a more actualiced guide or ask , aboriginals here are very friendly, and even a lot of experienced foreigner are happy to help you too. As you post in you blog you just arrive , you take a quick look to a totally strange territory an you complain you feel lost and not confortable in any place here, if like you there are other, instead of keep this flamming post growing and growing ,get you hands dirty and began to work, you haven't to be a high kernel hacker to help, you can translate and/or review wiki, you can focus on a app and report even stetical issues (as some one in the post has already suggest..), About FDOM you have a bad perspective, FDOM is posible because a lot of people had been working to make OM2008.08, Illume, and a every app inside FDOM, is posible because people has make public their tweakings in the wiki or in this list, and even talk to me or in the devel list to make suggestions and/or directly work. FDOM has began as a shared simply backup of my own phone, and now is near to be the first distro that will have their rootfs (bad) managed in a svn repository, yeah we put the binaries and yes we know svn was thinked to manage source code, but source code is not the business of FDOM right now, we are only focused on pimping whatever OM has decide to be their base distro, if they finally change to an FSO based distro I will be happy to pimping it too, even If I have to redo all work from zeto. I have done it a lot of times to test and to try to improve things. FDOM has not born for a need, FDOM has been born thanks to all the work done before, including the phone where it runs. This is a public request to all those you like FDOM, If you like FDOM then you like OM2008.X, FDOM=OM+things already done by others , please stop comparation and using FDOM as weapon against itself. I will already ask to please, stop this post right now in the tone it has began. And maybe I wrong and now i will post a personal opinion, You have your own blog to post you opinions, you have appeared in planet, as you already said people has post their opinions in your blog post,you have said nothing new in this post than have not already said in you blog, there was a need to do it? Thanks to all to make me, and colaboratos, able to make FDOM El sáb, 04-10-2008 a las 15:56 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa escribió: Hi! After my previous blog post [1] about Openmoko 2007.2 distribution and the Openmoko community I got some comments proving that like me, some other people feel that the community is lost and uninformed. This post is a follow up to the previous post and the comments I got. I've understood that 2007.2 still ships with the phones. As soon as one gets his new c00l Freerunner linux phone they need to flash the phone with a new distro (2008.x or Debian, FDOM, SHR, Gentoo, Qtopia, FSO.. [6]) since the software it ships with is obsolete. OK, so you get your 2008.x there and find that it doesn't really do all the magic and would like to report a bug. BUGS I don't know how others feel but I really don't feel like reporting bugs in the bug tracker [3]. OK, I'm running an unsupported distro (2007.2) so there's one reason but I also feel that it's okay to post kernel bugs only there, not anything that a normal user would see in his GUI. Is this correct or just a feeling or misunderstanding? Remember that all Freerunner owners and people here in the community are not kernel developers. I don't even know how to save back traces or hack the source code but I'm happy to report if something doesn't work and then when someone more skillful finds what's wrong and eventually fixes it, I'm again happy to try if the fix works for me. For some reason I feel that there's no space in the community for users like me. DISTROS So it's 2008.x now. No, wait.. there are FDOM [5] and SHR [2] around that are not far from 2008.x. Is 2007.2 still developed and lead by Openmoko or by the community? Do the community developers have access to the files so that new releases can be made or is SHR the closest to 2007.2 you can get to? My feeling is that there was a lack of information about why 2007.2 was forgotten and new 2008.x series was started and that something weird is happening in the official distros that creates a need for FDOM and SHR - why don't the developers feel ok to contribute directly to 2007.x and 2008.x but 'fork' their own distros? INFORMATION I think that what makes me feel lost is the lack
Re: Openmoko.org is down?
i just got in. It seems to be fine. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - SCarlson escribió: Anyone know whats up with openmoko.org? -Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Post problems/bugs related questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED], please
There are tons of duplicated messages on the same list too. I just the same message from Mickey 6 times. But it happens all the time with a lot of posts. I wpuld be nice if someone could do something about it. Cheers. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Olivier Berger escribió: Hi. There is a lot of duplication between the support and community lists for simple questions relating to bugs with recent upgrades, or the likes. Please, care to subscribe and (read first, then) post to the most appropriate list when you'd like to get some help on fixing bugs, misbehaviours and the likes. Thanks in advance, fellow users. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The glamo chip and its future
Yorick Moko escribi: I have no idea if it will be slow but youtube video's should be possible. "should be" is not the same than "it is". could anybody confirm that? One of the biggest problems I have running linux on a PowerPC mac it that there is not flash player for this plataform. I use gnash and I can watch and use a lot of flash content, but I cannnot watch youtube videos at least I download them using clive and playing them (I use mplayer). Gnash used to work for youtube, but it stopped working about a month ago. I use Debian Lenny Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Standard youtube is 320x240 (but they are experimenting with higher resolution) . Maybe you would have to encode it to mpeg-4 though, don't know if it will work through flash. nice post about the video acceleration: http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/ y On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 12:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to know more about that too. Especially I would like to know how real devices work - are they slow or not? I don't really need 3d games or anything, but i don't want my smartphone to be slow. Also is it possible in theory to play youtube videos? On 6/28/08, Michael Stather [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was a fan of the openmoko idea even when it was announced at first. Now when the first "real" device was announced I was thinking about buying one but then I realized the situaltion with the 3D chip which I read was "a very big design mistake". At least this is what I read, since neither read 2D or 3D acceleration is possible. So I wonder why this was done that way (since the older model had a much larger bandwidth), and whether it's changed for the next release. I mean e.g. games (3D games, or emulators) are IMHO an important part of the functionality of such a smartphone. Unfortunately, in the wiki wish list nobody complained about this and I didn't find anything on the home page, while this is probably the biggest concern of the users as far as what I've read. regards Michgael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Delay issue [solved]
Well, it looks like the issue is solved and I want to thank whoever fix it. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Slashdot post but no web store?
Oh man! so very jealous (in the good way) Would it be too much to ask you to take a vid and share it? please? Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Kevin Dean escribi: It's interesting... Your pictures are on a wood background too. :) I'm jealous... I didn't get a green band around my box... It's so fitting with the ASU theme. :) On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Simon Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Strapp wrote: I sure hope it's for sale as I have a UPS tracking number from Truebox (UK Openmoko Distributor) that says that it has been collected from them. I'm hoping it will be in my hands tomorrow. Their website also states that the first batch of Freerunners have been sent to customers (https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=Openmoko). First boot! (sorry, I couldn't resist) I received my FreeRunner from Truebox today :) A few very quick pictures here: http://www.snmoore.net/openmoko/pictures/freerunner/ Cheers, Simon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO Image gets it right
I've seen the past and there is nothing about FSO. WTF is FSO? ;-) Graeme Gregory escribió: Well I have seen the future and the future is FSO. For the first time I have been able to make and receive phone calls on a gta02 without hassle. GTK+ software could no do this, qtopia software cannot do this. And the best of it is, this was on my broken GTA02 where the gsm is about as reliable as a robin reliant (non UK people look up Only Fools and Horses). Things are looking good now we have solid gsm. Graeme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Delay is getting worse...
It is 13:41 here in Mexico City, and the last mail I got from the list arrived at 5:23, it is from DR. H. Nikolaus Schaller. (Re: Why not use forum) I check this box at leas once an hour and I can tell this is not good. I've been in this list for a while and I used to get the messages as soon as posted. Pleas, do somehing about it. Even my own mails get at least two hours after I send them. Thanks Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When it will be possible to buy OpenMoko?
Well, he is not from China and he is in Brazil. He will not work on any software stuff but HW. He is working on a new case for the Freerunner though. Those who have writen with ideas for a different case might want to send him an email.His name is Abel Chang. an this is his email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] But hell yeah! some of them have landed! Cheers! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Andy Selby escribi: There was a post on engadget mobile that suggested some have been released. I cant find it, you got a link? On Sunday 15 June 2008 00:03, steve wrote: I'm not exactly sure. I havent asked if they have a continous process or if they build a bunch of PCB and then assemble. Like, build a thousand, assemble a thousand, etc. I know some shipments (university customers) have already landed. Could you explain what you meant by that last sentence? In the neofreerunner thread on the device owners list a guy from china explains that he bought one for a university project, there are pics of it as well. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner wallpaper
-1 :( Let's just share! :) Michele Renda escribi: what to make a contest? :) Dale Schumacher wrote: I thought I would share some inspirational (to me at least) wallpaper that may actually have some practical value as well. I would enjoy seeing other Openmoko-inspired wallpaper designs. I hope you enjoy mine. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wallpaper ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: delay in recieving mails
Same here. I started just a few days ago. Cheers. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - arne anka escribió: i get every mail more or less 2h after it is sent (polling the account ist set to 15min), though the archive (http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-June/date.html) displays them much earlier. is this intended? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SIM cards for Freerunner (was Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price)
Why do americans have such a hard time grasping this? Rob That's what I call starting a flame (from a flame) Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: San Diego and LA group sales
Great! I would like to buy two anyway but I can get just one for now. This is the link to the group sales in the wiki. Since no one besides you have answered I haven't joined the grouo yet, but if that's okay with the others I'll do it. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#California Cheers! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Russell Dwiggins escribi: I'd like to add myself to the LA group. That MIGHT mean you don't HAVE to buy 2 phones Kosa. :) Where are these groups listed, BTW? Russell Cerritos, CA On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 21:13 -0500, Kosa wrote: Hi guys, Well, as some of you know I'm from Mxico, and I'm not being very succesfull about making a group to buy a 10 pack. I'm sure some of my friends will buy a Freerunner when I show them what we can do with it, but right now I almost alone here. I was wondering if we could join LA, San Diego groups and myself, wich right now makes 3 + 5 + 2, as I'm willing to buy two of them. That would make a 10 pack already. I have a friend living in Tijuana and he might go to San Diego to pick them up.He's coming to the Mexico City, where I live, on June 23th and it would be great if the store opens before that, but if it doesn't we might find a way to make this work. Thanks for even considering this. And thank you all for making this waiting as fun and interesting as it has been. I'm not sure about the words to use, but I just wanna let you know that I've smiled (of joy) a lot of times reading your posts. Some of them have been with me for days and weeks. Some of the things I've read here has surpiresed me as very few things before. Thank you very very very much. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Cleared to start Mass production
I'm soo happy tp read that!! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - steve escribi: The latest update I have from the factory indicates that mass Production ( that means running the SMT line without stopping to check stuff every two seconds) has been CLEARED TO START. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dennis Wollersheim Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 9:16 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: OpenMOKO availbility -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It will be available soon (within one month would be my guess). Does anyone else have a better guess? You cannot book an order at present. I reckon they will be able to ship to Pakistan. Cheers Dennis Masoom Alam wrote: Hi every one, I wanted to ask, that when the latest version of the openmoko will be available (seems a stupid question, as we can see a lot of posts on the mailing list :)). Actually, I dont want to wait for one year this time, therefore asking this question. Plus, is there is any possiblity at the moment to book an order for me in advance now? Plus, I want to ship the latest version to Pakistan, any recommendation in this regard? Regards, MM Alam -- -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community - -- - --- Dennis Wollersheim Lecturer, Health Information Management La Trobe University Bundoora Victoria 3086 Room HS1:110 (03) 9479 1763 (bh) 0414 529 454 (mobile) http://homepage.cs.latrobe.edu.au/dewoller - --- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with MultiZilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIRMWF41ROt9TlFkoRAhFTAJ9DvMdVl2bbtGUHJFG2nR8Dde9mOgCg/KlF E4wU+XXesXAVFoo0dvnJLck= =GOB0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
San Diego and LA group sales
Hi guys, Well, as some of you know I'm from México, and I'm not being very succesfull about making a group to buy a 10 pack. I'm sure some of my friends will buy a Freerunner when I show them what we can do with it, but right now I almost alone here. I was wondering if we could join LA, San Diego groups and myself, wich right now makes 3 + 5 + 2, as I'm willing to buy two of them. That would make a 10 pack already. I have a friend living in Tijuana and he might go to San Diego to pick them up.He's coming to the Mexico City, where I live, on June 23th and it would be great if the store opens before that, but if it doesn't we might find a way to make this work. Thanks for even considering this. And thank you all for making this waiting as fun and interesting as it has been. I'm not sure about the words to use, but I just wanna let you know that I've smiled (of joy) a lot of times reading your posts. Some of them have been with me for days and weeks. Some of the things I've read here has surpiresed me as very few things before. Thank you very very very much. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Top Content page view of wiki
Thank you Brenda! I myself use Icedove, wich is some kind of Debian fork of Firefox (somehow firefox logos and others were not "free enough" and the Debian team decided to use the source and but not the name. It was funny they named Icedove after Firefox). Anyway, I wonder if the engine registers my borwser as Firefox, as Mozilla, as Mozilla Compatible Agent o just as Icedove. The second question is about the zero result in both stats from 6 to 12 dots on the line. They are 31 of them so I presume those are the days. I can't remember the page being down for that long. As a matter of fact I don't recall the page has been down this month at all. Thanks again. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - BrendaWang escribi: Hi, all: Attached files is the Top 100 content page views of wiki. Brenda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] GPG Message signing / Keyservers
Yep, they automagically spread all over the world :) It might take some days, but it does. Cheers! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Andy Powell escribi: I've noticed a few people are signing their messages and I have decided to follow suit. However I do have a question regarding the keyservers used. I picked one from the list at http://www.pramberger.at/peter/services/keyserver/network/ they all sync together automagically. The question is this though, do all the public keyservers sync? MIT has one, is that going to sync with other keyservers or should I be pushing my public key to as many different server 'groups' as possible? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Top Content page view of wiki
You're right, you're. Icedove satands for Thunderbird as Iceweasel stands for Firefox. Thanks Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Joe Pfeiffer escribi: kosa writes: I myself use Icedove, wich is some kind of Debian br fork of Firefox (somehow firefox logos and others br were not "free enough" and the Debian team decided br to use the source and but not the name. It was funny br they named Icedove after Firefox). Anyway, I wonder br if the engine registersnbsp; my borwser as Firefox, as br Mozilla, as Mozilla Compatible Agent o just as Icedove.br Don't you mean iceweasel? The name change wasn't debian's idea: Mozilla decided that they didn't want their trademark used without doing a review of all of debian's patches; debian didn't want to put up with that, so they changed the name. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
My best choice would be C) (3.5 mic and phones) but if that is not possible right know, I'll rather get A). (and multi-touch screen please :P) Thanks for asking for our opinion. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Joerg Reisenweber escribi: Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) "standard" 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your "old" headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones "Walkman(R)" connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm (to be?: sendind video trough 3.5mm jack)
I think we should consider this one. I know we have some issues with video right now, but for GTA03 most of them could be solved. I would be very nice to be able to send video using the same jack we use to send audio. 5G iPods and some other devices do it. My 2 centavos. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Nadav escribi: 3.5, definitely. And continuing the earlier comment about Nokia - the N95 (and possibly other models) has a very interesting 3.5mm connector that provides much more than just sound. If a 3.5mm headphones are inserted, it plays regular stereo. However it also accepts the more advanced connector of Nokia's provided headphones which also have a small console to control volume, play/stop/forward/backward, etc.. That one has 4 contact points and not 3 like in regular stereo headphones. It even supports video playback - there is a cable that comes in the box and uses the same connector point to output several video types. Sometimes the phone detects the plugged device automatically (I guess if it supports some Nokia standard), and if it doesn't recognize, it provides the user a list of options to choose from (headphones, tv-out cable, music stand). Just a thought... On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | I still think that wired headsets are not used by anyone out there. Even if | every vendor adds a cheap wired headset to it's device I barely see anyone | using it. | Today bluetooth headsets are cheap and they are way more practical (and even | have the better microphone placing, compared to the wired clip-micros. | | So I think there should be an 3.5mm to listen to music and use bluetooth for | headsets. | | I'd rather not be forced to use bluetooth with a headset. My experience is that | bluetooth interferes with wifi (same freq. band) and you'll have another battery to | worry about. There is some "co-existence" stuff in GTA02 and future products that reduces this effect... the two devices warn each other to defer what they had planned because the other device is using the air. Agree about the extra battery issue, but I have to agree with Thomas wired headsets no longer seem to be a fashion accessory in wide use, whereas BT cyborgs are all over the shop like a bad episode of Dr Who. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkg/4/IACgkQOjLpvpq7dMoOvwCfd1LW7aWK/nUlUfjslvSW4SIv 0uIAn1U8NpXr7OvJN2L59hN8HlYKdcGg =vRmY -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My blog, Freerunner FIrst Impressions and some pics
Kevin, David, Marco, Bastian, I just clicked the link again and I got the page nice and easy. If you want me to mirror it somewhere else just let me know. Kevin, I have a nice server if you want to use it. It'll be an honor to host your stuff. Cheers Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Bastian Muck escribió: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have the same Problem. :-( Marco Trevisan (Treviño) schrieb: | Kevin Dean wrote: | Anyway, the writeup can be read at: | | It's about a day (since it has been posted on planet) that I can't connect to your site! :( | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFINtpPlYiDScJJ+7QRAkNAAKCJvUe2yBhbPjgN5WRiSaz7PGijvwCeILCm fHERRfdNQiWmbK/MDpuJXJQ= =QcBV -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My blog, Freerunner FIrst Impressions and some pics
Awesome! Thank you very much. What about the software? Did it came with QTopia? And sorry if I'me getting it wrong (my english is not very good) but first you wrote no accesories and next you wrote it came with a headset and the laser/led/pens stylus. Ain't those accesories? Well, I have a lot of questions, but I think I'll better let those who know how to ask make them. Thanks again Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible- Kevin Dean escribió: I recieved my Openmoko Freerunner sample this morning via DHL, and like I did with the Neo1973, I took lots of pictures and blogged about it. Some of the pictures aren't the greatest (poor lighting in my bedroom and a photographer I am not!) but they get the idea across. The write up also gives a few tidbits of opinion on some of the changes that seem to get overlooked. Anyway, the writeup can be read at: http://monochromementality.com/index.php/blog/show/Day-One-Openmoko-Freerunner.html -Kevin Dean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Neo 1973 sales
Hi everyone, does anybody know the aproximate quantity of 1973 Neos were sold in every country? I mean, according to the article sent by Samuel [1] Germany was the country that bought more Neos, but I don't know how many did they (or you) bought. I don't even know how many of them were sold all over the world. [1] http://tinyurl.com/6ghjjb Happy waiting... Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: clarification re easy OpenMoko updating for average consumer
That's something I thought some time ago, but it was not possible 'couse there are too many possible hardware combinations. But we don't have that on the Freerunner. It would be nice to add to the description of every package, app or update the time it take to install it. I mean, we can calculate the time it takes to download from the spped of the connection, and we ask the developers to add the times it takes to install to the description of the software, or even devel an app wich times it. Perhaps also could show and/or share that data. Just a thought. Happy waiting. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible . Bu we don't have that on te Freerunner ian douglas escribió: Mo Abrahams wrote: How about it downloads the updates whenever wifi is available (battery or not), and then (if set to update automatically) updates once plugged in to charge, and if set to manual requires battery power to be above a certain percentage. I'd say that if GSM downloads are going to be slow, then downloads should also occur if the phone is plugged into a PC and network bridging is set up -- not everyone will have a wifi router. Since the updates will require a certain amount of time and battery power, the update should only happen once the battery power is above a certain level whether plugged in for charging or not. For example, if the battery was completely drained, and the user plugs it into a PC, if the charger can't keep up with the drain of installing updates, then updates shouldn't happen just because it's plugged into a charger. Thoughts? -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: openmoko fans web site
not working... Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - luther escribió: all, we are prepare create the openmoko fans site, if anyone interest it ,or any ideal please tell me! the doman name is www.openmokofans.com Luther ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Los Angeles / Southern California group sales
Is there any chance I can join your group and ask you or the one who gets the babies to ship one to me to the Mexico City? I have some friends who want to get one, but they want to see it before buying it, and I think there won't be a mexican group this time. Thanks Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ian douglas escribió: Assuming that Steve's last timelines are semi-accurate, unless more interest is generated by the end of the month, the Los Angeles group only has 4 interested parties -- would the other Southern California groups be willing to combine if none of us can reach enough orders for the 10-pack discount? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Los Angeles / Southern California group sales
Well yes, I will have to pay 15% of the value of the Freerunner, but they don't need to know that the real value of the Freerunner is 400 dollars. You could send it as a very low cost device and I won't pay that much for taxes. I've done that before. Besides, I really want the pouch an the headset. = D Could you? Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ian douglas escribió: I've never shipped anything to Mexico, but I know from experience that shipping to Canada can cost extra money with customs, etc., so if that's the same with Mexico, you might be better off buying a single unit? Anyone else know? Kosa wrote: Is there any chance I can join your group and ask you or the one who gets the babies to ship one to me to the Mexico City? I have some friends who want to get one, but they want to see it before buying it, and I think there won't be a mexican group this time. Thanks Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ian douglas escribió: Assuming that Steve's last timelines are semi-accurate, unless more interest is generated by the end of the month, the Los Angeles group only has 4 interested parties -- would the other Southern California groups be willing to combine if none of us can reach enough orders for the 10-pack discount? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is anyone else getting 2 or 3 copies of every mails?
I had that issue for a couple of days when I created a folder to store the messages I was reciving from this list, but it was way worse. I recived some time ten or more times the same messages, but they had all the same time (hour and minute), and these two I got from Mo Abrahams have different times. Besides this mail from Mo and the time I set up a folder to store everithing wich includes Openmoko, no, I don't have that problem. Hope that helps. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - messages Stefan Misch escribió: I have the same problem and ironically I got this Nope, not me twice. I'm pretty sure, I did not subscribe twice, because I do not get every mail twice, only a rare few of them. I checked the headers of both mails and they seem to be identical save for the Message-Id. ([EMAIL PROTECTED] vs. [EMAIL PROTECTED]). It's pretty weird. I always thought it was just someguy accidently sending messages twice. All best, Stefan Mo Abrahams wrote: Nope, not me On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 14:56 -0700, ian douglas wrote: Hey all, I'm randomly getting a second and sometimes a third copy of messages coming to the list. For exampe, Torfinn Ingolfsen's last Email with a subject line Re: Software -- I got three copies. I also got three copies of Bradley Hook's message about the external displays, but only one copy of Gabriel Ambeuhl's Email in the same thread. Anyone else seeing this? This doesn't affect any other mailing list or personal messages coming to my Email account, which helped me pinpoint that it's an issue with the OpenMoko community list. Thanks, Ian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is anyone else getting 2 or 3 copies of every mails?
Hahaha Funny!!! Kosa Mo Abrahams escribi: I'll be honest, I sent my message twice just for kicks =P But I didn't send it three times, so one of the times that Ian received it was through no fault of mine. On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 00:23 +0200, Stefan Misch wrote: I have the same problem and ironically I got this "Nope, not me" twice. I'm pretty sure, I did not subscribe twice, because I do not get every mail twice, only a rare few of them. I checked the headers of both mails and they seem to be identical save for the Message-Id. ([EMAIL PROTECTED] vs. [EMAIL PROTECTED]). It's pretty weird. I always thought it was just someguy accidently sending messages twice. All best, Stefan Mo Abrahams wrote: Nope, not me On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 14:56 -0700, ian douglas wrote: Hey all, I'm randomly getting a second and sometimes a third copy of messages coming to the list. For exampe, Torfinn Ingolfsen's last Email with a subject line "Re: Software" -- I got three copies. I also got three copies of Bradley Hook's message about the external displays, but only one copy of Gabriel Ambeuhl's Email in the same thread. Anyone else seeing this? This doesn't affect any other mailing list or personal messages coming to my Email account, which helped me pinpoint that it's an issue with the OpenMoko community list. Thanks, Ian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki is down
Don't know if someone fixed it but right now it is working fine for me. Eventhough we might try to set up a mirror. Did it went down becouse of Steve's good news about mass production status? :D Have a nice week. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Steven ** escribió: Myself and several others cannot reach the wiki. http://www.openmoko.org gives a 404 error (it redirects to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page which is Not Found) http://wiki.openmoko.org redirects to http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/index.cgi -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: .Mac like service
Robin already listed some of them, but as I think, the list could get bigger, specially 'couse it deppends on the apps we will make for Openmoko. That service might even be something that could bring some new ideas to build software. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Shawn Rutledge escribió: What kind of features do you want to see? What are the use cases? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: .Mac like service
I'm not sure about that, but again as Robin, I think could offer that service for free and set up an account to recive donations from those who want to do it. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Shawn Rutledge escribió: You would want it to be a commercial service like .mac, with a subscription fee and guaranteed reliable service, and use GPRS to access it? Or you would want to just do that stuff with your own PC? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: .Mac like service
I knew you buys will bring some very good ideas. :) Now I think we could even set at least two groups of apps related to this service. One group might be refered for those apps we develop for personal matters as sms storage, contact list, time-zone, language and others like that (encrypted and protected), and the second group might be related to communities, groups, public and social networks like facebook, lastfm and many others, wich could be shared. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Alexey Feldgendler escribió: my list starts with: *backing up phone settings, including list of installed packages (in case i need to re-install everything) *backing up e-mails/text messages *storing gps coords in case the phone's stolen/lost *backup/storage of any other arbitrary files * Allow backup and incremental synchronization of typical data items stored on mobile devices: * SMS/IM histories * last dialled/received calls * contact lists * browser bookmarks, histories and cookies * calendar events * various account information (GPRS, HTTP proxy, email, IM) * stored certificates * global preferences like language, time zone, visual theme * software-specific settings * user documents * information about installed downloadable addons * As much as possible should be synchronizable across devices and software platforms. * Leverage existing open standards wherever possible, e.g. use vCard for contact information. * Provide automatic conflict resolution. * Be bandwidth-efficient. * Survive long periods without connectivity and synchronize reasonably afterwards. * Don't insist on complete synchronization before parts of data become usable. * Be secure so that even passwords and certificates can be trusted to it. * Do not require server-initiated activity because it's often impossible, i.e. rely on pull only. * Allow for interchangeable transport layers to make use of various connectivity options available on devices: * HTTP * various serial port-like connections like IR and BT * maybe offline synchronization via memory card * Allow automatic offloading of data that's typically moved from device to PC: * pictures, video and audio recordings * various logs * Probably allow sharing or publishing parts of user's data. * Provide remote control and reporting infrastructure that allows: * upgrades of device software * activation of special modes on lost/stolen devices and obtaining information from them * Transparent expansion of device's storage, e.g. the user can continue taking pictures without thinking about where they go, and the older ones are pushed off to the server. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: youtube freerunner vid is up
I was very sure there would be blood. :D but I think we could try Pace and phone as slogan for the Freerunner. Cheers! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - steve escribió: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U05kZfURPig hope you enjoy it ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
.Mac like service
Hi everyone, I wonder if there's any chance Openmoko could (or is going to) offer a service like apple's .Mac for the Openmoko users. I have some ideas (and I'm sure you have a lot more) that could make this service very useful. I was just about to add it to the wishlist, but I'm not sure where to do it. It is not a hardware matter, but it is not about sofware neither. And please notice I'm not saying it could be just for the Neo1973 and Freerunner users, but Openmoko, and by that I mean future Fic divices as well as other devices running Openmoko. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!
Hi everyone, I was just about to ask that, eventough Openmoko is perhaps the topic I talk to my firends the most, and some of them have said they want to get one, I'm in Mexico and It will be very hard to get a tenpack here. Tthe minimum salary here is arround the 600 dollars per month and getting a 400 device might be too much for most of my friends. Well, it'll be a big luxury to me too but I can stop eating for a week or two to get one of those babys. Tomorrow we'll have Flisol here in Latin America, wich is Festival Latinoamericano de Instalación de Software Libre and means Latinamerican Opensource Installation Fest (or something like that) and I will be talking about open hardware and software develompent for mobile devices, taking Openmko as the main subject, and perhaps some of the people there would like to get one, but I'm not sure if I can convince them to get one with just one conference, and it looks like the freerunner will be released very soon. I want to get a Freerunner no matter what, but I would love to get the pouch and the earphone even If I have to pay a little bit more. I might even join any US group in California, Texas or any other southern state and ask the one who gets the bulk to send my Freerunner to me. Have a nice wwekend and wish me luck for tomorrow. (waiting for the BIG day...) Kosa On 25/04/2008, at 09:08 a.m., Michael Shiloh wrote: Mohamed, Where are you located? Perhaps we can combine you with something. Michael Mohamed Hazem wrote: What about us the poor people with no one around interested in the FreeRunner ... How are we going to get our pouches and earphones ? On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/24/08, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I decided to do something EXTRA for the groups of people who are uniting to execute a group sales. Every 10 pack, will come with a box of stuff. 10 pouches and 10 head sets. So if you join a group sales organization and buy with other people, then the 10 pack will include these extras. Sean and I are so happy with the way the community is coming together around this idea of group sales that it just made sense. THANK YOU!! This news made me extremly happy -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Switzerland - group order
Oh my god! I knew there were some geniuses on this list, but never thought we got Einstein on our side. :D Cheers! Kosa On 25/04/2008, at 10:53 a.m., einstein wrote: Hello, when the friends in switzerland need a place to talk about a group order, and talk about the details, feel free to do this on www.freeyourphone.de/forum Your welcome... Greets Stefan openmoko list subsriber wrote: Advance payment is no problem for me either ;-) P.Aeberli ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner
too small? They don't fit on my 20 iMac (running linux btw). What kind of monitor do you have? :O I cannot belive my eyes! I'm just too happy for watching this! Thanks Michel Shiloh Cheers! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Richard Reichenbacher escribió: The pictures are too small. Can you make post up bigger ones? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:38 PM To: List for OpenMoko community discussion Subject: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner Remember, Steve is still deciding what to include in the box. These are just a bunch of stuff that fit, from which he is making decisions: http://quickstart.openmoko.org/photographs/ If someone with more skills than me at web page design would like to turn this into a nice web page with thumbnails etc. I would welcome the assistance. I have to get back to upgrading GTA01 firmware, testing GTA02 samples, and shipping all of these items. You don't need my permission - download these photographs, they are direct copies of my originals, and create what you want. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner
It DOES include earphones!!! Just great! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Richard Reichenbacher escribió: The pictures are too small. Can you make post up bigger ones? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:38 PM To: List for OpenMoko community discussion Subject: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner Remember, Steve is still deciding what to include in the box. These are just a bunch of stuff that fit, from which he is making decisions: http://quickstart.openmoko.org/photographs/ If someone with more skills than me at web page design would like to turn this into a nice web page with thumbnails etc. I would welcome the assistance. I have to get back to upgrading GTA01 firmware, testing GTA02 samples, and shipping all of these items. You don't need my permission - download these photographs, they are direct copies of my originals, and create what you want. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
Here's a youtube link to wich I belive is the same vid (could not see the one on natgeo web 'couse a lack of plugin for firefox on my mac) http://youtube.com/watch?v=5oExwxkuT_c Amaizing!!! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - On 15/04/2008, at 08:15 p.m., steve wrote: Need to figure out how Cyanea Octopus does it http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070209-octopus-video.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:23 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update My daughter is sitting right next to me and says yes, she absolutely wants one in pink. She also wants one multicolored. See, the white-and- markers idea isn't such a bad one, eh? Michael Bastian Muck wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Has somebody eaten a clown this morning at breakfast? ;-) Of course noone really wants a pink freerunner, does someone? steve schrieb: | When I did my first MP3 in Aluminum I ran out and had it anodized gold! | I was lucky to find a place that was set up to do gold. Most are set | up for clear, black, red and blue. Guy didn't even charge me. | | | | | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael | Shiloh | Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:33 PM | To: List for Openmoko community discussion | Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update | | My daughter requests pink. | | Maybe the only one. | | I suggest we make them all white and include a pack of magic | markers, so you can color them any color you wish, or decorate to | your heart's content. | | Half jokingly, | Michael | | steve wrote: | Ok, | | Well I apologize for killing the orange/white model. When I get | to place where I can figure what colors everyone wants and in what | ratios, then I can easily add colors. For now, folks are focused on | the innards and not the cosmetics. | | | | | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ian | douglas | Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:38 PM | To: List for Openmoko community discussion | Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update | | Robin Paulson wrote: | 2008/4/14 Dirk Deimeke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: | I also would like to have - may be separately: | - Stylus | personally, i'd want: | *a modified charger (if one is made) *a pouch included, and that's | it | | I think for a phone that's heavily touch-based, a stylus is a must-have. | Doesn't even need to be the fancy one that shipped with the Neo | (and I'm sad I can't buy another orange/white model like my GTA01 | was but oh well), but include *something*. | | -id | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIBCfNlYiDScJJ+7QRAh9tAJ4/Tqqr+PTRj5NVw0VaaltWG0wF9wCgmzk5 WNMr/UUpVHULk2q7y+KeGbM= =MhoO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
I do! :D (just kidding) Kosa -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Has somebody eaten a clown this morning at breakfast? ;-) Of course noone really wants a pink freerunner, does someone? steve schrieb: | When I did my first MP3 in Aluminum I ran out and had it anodized gold! | I was lucky to find a place that was set up to do gold. Most | are set up for clear, black, red and blue. Guy didn't even charge me. | | | | | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh | Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:33 PM | To: List for Openmoko community discussion | Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update | | My daughter requests pink. | | Maybe the only one. | | I suggest we make them all white and include a pack of magic markers, so | you can color them any color you wish, or decorate to your heart's content. | | Half jokingly, | Michael | | steve wrote: | Ok, | | Well I apologize for killing the orange/white model. When I | get to place where I can figure what colors everyone wants and in what | ratios, then I can easily add colors. For now, folks are focused on the | innards and not the cosmetics. | | | | | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ian douglas | Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:38 PM | To: List for Openmoko community discussion | Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update | | Robin Paulson wrote: | 2008/4/14 Dirk Deimeke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: | I also would like to have - may be separately: | - Stylus | personally, i'd want: | *a modified charger (if one is made) | *a pouch | included, and that's it | | I think for a phone that's heavily touch-based, a stylus is a must- have. | Doesn't even need to be the fancy one that shipped with the Neo (and I'm | sad I can't buy another orange/white model like my GTA01 was but oh | well), but include *something*. | | -id | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIBCfNlYiDScJJ+7QRAh9tAJ4/Tqqr+PTRj5NVw0VaaltWG0wF9wCgmzk5 WNMr/UUpVHULk2q7y+KeGbM= =MhoO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
