Re: [wikireader] error parsing automobile articles
On 21 Nov 2009, at 13:04, Suco wrote:
I've experienced an error, consisting on data dissapeared, when
reading articles related with cars. You can test this looking for
the article about Nissan_GT-R, in the section Specifications:
What you can see in wikireader: http://yfrog.com/2sdsc0048xj
What appears on wikipedia article: http://yfrog.com/elscreenshot001mxp
Is this some kind of parsing error?
I can only assume it's related to Wikipedia's convert function /
markup / template.
If you click to edit the article you'll see it shows:
Production vehicles produce a manufacturer-claimed engine output of
{{convert|474|bhp|kW|abbr=on}} at 6400nbsp;rpm and {{convert|434|lbft|
N.m|abbr=on}} at 3200-5200nbsp;rpm.
If I look at the page in a browser and view source I can see this as:
Production vehicles produce a manufacturer-claimed engine output of
474#160;bhp (353#160;kW) at 6400#160;rpm and 434#160;lb·ft
(588#160;N·m) at 3200-5200#160;rpm.
Maybe it's related to the use of the #160;??
This shows in multiple places in the paragraph.
In your screenshot it's most obvious because the missing 474bhp makes
the sentence nonsense.
But also it's missing from the first sentence: that reads as ... the
VR38DETT engine, a DOHC V6, but should read as ... the VR38DETT
engine, a 3,799 cc (3.8 L; 231.8 cu in) DOHC V6
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Re: SIP Client
On 10 Nov 2009, at 21:32, Nicola Mfb wrote: On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Eric Smith e...@fruitcom.com wrote: [...] Meanwhile, I want to use the freerunner as a WIFI connected SIP client. No need to make cellular calls or do *anything* else than VOIP. There are some softwares not adapted for the freerunner GUI, but an upcoming one is very promising, it's name is apathy, the SIP support is on the road... Google says: Did you mean: empathy sip client ? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ffalarms 0.3 -- recurring alarms
On 26 Oct 2009, at 08:47, Christ van Willegen wrote: ... I've noticed that when the alarm sounds, the FR turns off after some time. I've never needed to depend on the alarm, but it's not nice when you alarm clock itself falls asleep ;-) Is that fixable (on SHR-U)? Dear Boss, This is why I'm late for work. Clearly this morning's tardiness is upstream's fault. Please file a bug with them. I am marking your complaint about my late arrival in the office as CAN'T FIX. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Off Topic
On 15 Oct 2009, at 23:50, Kosa wrote: ... But we can always ask for those who write about Wikireader to use a [wikireader] tag on the subject. That way you can filter everything with that tag, so it never gets to you inbox. We have done that with the distros and it has worked quite good. :o Yeah, works great. Shame that we didn't just establish more clearly defined mailing lists in the first place. Seems like Mr Apitz complains about more general topics being discussed on -community because clearly in his mind -community should be used for support topics. Maybe the WikiReader should be discussed on supp...@lists.openmoko.org, huh, since, we're not using that for support? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 1024#
On 11 Oct 2009, at 03:34, Mikhail Umorin wrote: ... I am just really interested in why so many towers? Here is a log with deep sleep disabled. It started around 2009-10-09 21:00 [2009-10-10 06:15:17.647316] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775 [2009-10-10 06:15:51.057840] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775 [2009-10-10 07:14:58.962122] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775 [2009-10-10 07:15:31.443058] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775 [2009-10-10 07:43:48.193318] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775 [2009-10-10 07:44:22.093633] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775 [2009-10-10 12:43:26.834672] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775 [2009-10-10 12:43:50.832594] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775 so, I guess, this is normal I would imagine towers from different companies is part of it. Also, there are going to be areas on the edge of coverage where your phone can detect the signal, but reception would be very poor (frequent drop outs c). So the distribution of cell towers will reflects that - enough so there's always one you get good coverage from, and incidentally there will always be some more distant ones your phone can recognise. If I'm understanding this right, the phone may be registering with these more distant towers, which might beg the why question. But it's likely the cell companies have lots of towers with overlapping coverage, so it's surely not a problem. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 1024#
On 8 Oct 2009, at 22:15, Mikhail Umorin wrote: On Thursday 08 October 2009 11:57:38 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: either you are in a zone with weak signal from 4508 and 2DF1 (so you jump frequently from one to the other) or yes, you probably are suffering from #1024 :( What's the best way to differentiate? Stand by a cell tower and wait for a couple of hours? It has already been posted here: Under normal circumstances you would only see these messages with a change of cell, so cid would be different. The only time I know of that you might legitimately see repeated reconnection to the same cell is if you've got very low signal and it's the only cell visible. I am really unclear why you feel the need to ask - yet again - if you're affected by #1024, when all the symptoms so clearly seem to point to it. Your Freerunner is of one of the batches affected, yes? Your Freerunner is reregistering. Obviously. Do you really have reason to believe you're in an area which receives poor coverage from these two towers? What signal strength do mobile phones generally show in your house? Or are you just grasping at straws, hoping your Freerunner is unaffected? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
On 7 Oct 2009, at 03:34, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote: ... In this second case, the only steps required to fix the keyboard is to hide and then show it by: 0] Lowering the shelf and tapping qwerty (to hide the keyboard). 1] Lowering the shelf and tapping qwerty again (to re-show the keyboard). This does /not/ involve the `wrench', or changing any settings. ... Ok, excuse me. I am a new user and had been pressing at the wrench (or at least, trying to) to lower the shelf. With some experimentation I see that pressing anywhere in the shelf lowers it. My apologies, and thank you for the clear explanation, Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Internal pressure sensor
On 6 Oct 2009, at 02:18, Werner Almesberger wrote: Stroller wrote: This barometer is self-contained and connected to the i2c bus, a _relatively_ simple addition. If there is demand for the barometer - although I'm inclined to agree with Rask that there wouldn't be - then it might it be justified to add it were Brazil ever to go into Freerunner production. Here's where Open Design Hardware changes the scenario: if you have an (open) base product, you can design, produce, and deploy small changes for a special interest group at a comparably low price - a bit higher than if the change was part of the mass-produced design, but considerably lower than any traditional alternatives. software installed. The software would have to be closed-source, [... more horror material ...] Why bother ? Even if we assume for a moment that you can't make money selling unencumbered software, you'd have the enhanced hardware already as a kind of dongle. Also, since this would be a highly specialized niche product, I would expect customer loyalty to be high. Honestly? To add the barometer appears a very easy task. It involves soldering two wires, right? If you were to start a business based on this, you might charge $100 markup to make the modification but also to cover the cost of the full- time job writing and supporting the software. I think more might even be reasonable, or you might have tiered packages depending upon software features. The Freerunner is readily available mail order - if a student in your local town were to offer to upgrade the hardware for $20, sorry, I think the business would be completely undermined. And there are Linux- competent students in every town - the dongle, as you call it, is too easily manufactured by anyone. I love believe in Free software, but I just don't know that it's realistic to expect to make money out of it that way. Were I ever - as a sole-trader presently - to write commercial code, I would probably GPL it in my will. Rau1 remarks on the readability of the screen - he surely is far more familiar with the current state of the sport than I am, since I have not flown in 5 years. In this case it might be better to base a design on a custom Gumstix-based board and a black-and-white screen, so the discussion becomes entirely moot. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
On 5 Oct 2009, at 19:12, Russell Dwiggins wrote: |On 3 Oct 2009, at 19:04, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote: | Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com writes: | ... | But I already told you - you don't have to restart whole E. Just | enter | to keyboard menu in illume wrench, select none, and then default (it | will restart illume keyboard). And it'll work just nicely. | | I don't even need to do *that*: I've always just tapped the `qwerty' | box (in the top-right corner, in the default theme), and the keyboard | pops up perfectly fine even in landscape mode. I don't understand what | you guys are talking about--should that not be working for me? | |On my Freerunner - running SHR-unstable - the qwuerty is not visible |in the top-right corner by default. You have to press the wrench to |pull out the top tray. Then the qwerty is visible and pressing it |operates the keyboard. I believe this is what Sebastian is explaining. | |Stroller. | I don't think so. Many of us have the problem where the keyboard does not show completely in landscape mode. My understanding of the work-around is to select none then illume in the illume wrench settings. I've tried this and it works, but you have to do it again when you switch back to portrait since the keyboard doesn't resize. Sorry, I read ALL these explanations as saying exactly the same thing, just in different ways. Perhaps you could clarify how they differ? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
On 7 Oct 2009, at 00:26, undrwater wrote: ... Sorry, I read ALL these explanations as saying exactly the same thing, just in different ways. Perhaps you could clarify how they differ? Hm. I read: Problem 1: illume keyboard in landscape mode does not show (the keyboard itself doesn't show, only the prediction window and keyboard selector) Problem 2: qwerty button is hidden in shelf gadget and requires 2 taps to bring it up I posted problem 1, I think you understood problem 2. Am I right? Item 2 (I find that a problem, too) is discussed in this thread because it's necessary to go through this procedure to overcome problem 1. In this thread this pair of actions was originally described by Sebastian Krzyszkowiak in his post of 3 October 2009 14:55:51 BST. Joshua Judson Rosen's post of 3 October 2009 19:04:36 BST (I don't understand what you guys are talking about) may indicate that he doesn't suffer from problem 2. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Internal pressure sensor
On 4 Oct 2009, at 14:02, Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote: On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 06:04:30PM -0400, tom wrote: actually i think they should already be built in...they are so cheap... Depends on what you mean when you say cheap. I see it listed at just under USD 10 for one sensor or the price of a 1.3 mpix camera module. It's also not as small as you would like for something you throw in mostly for fun. Is the 1.3 mpix camera module also $10 for a single unit? That seems remarkably good value. One would expect a pressure sensor to be much cheaper on the 1000, of course. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Internal pressure sensor
On 4 Oct 2009, at 16:14, tom wrote: On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 06:04:30PM -0400, tom wrote: actually i think they should already be built in...they are so cheap... Depends on what you mean when you say cheap. I see it listed at just under USD 10 for one sensor or the price of a 1.3 mpix camera module. It's also not as small as you would like for something you throw in mostly for fun. Is the 1.3 mpix camera module also $10 for a single unit? That seems remarkably good value. One would expect a pressure sensor to be much cheaper on the 1000, of course. well, my thought was just: marketshare. more features out of the box more customers more competition. and i dont think 10$ make adifference, not yet talking about largeqty-volumes. eg rfid: nokia announces it since years, but FR could be fo fast...im sorry, maybe im just to optimistic... 1) Please don't top-post in reply to a bottom-post. It makes the flow of the conversation difficult to read. 2) Please don't post to the list in HTML. Plain-text is preferable. 3) The costs of production were discussed a LOT on this list in the past, when the Openmoko team was still active. To be honest, even if the component is only $1 then it may be too expensive, as many more design and testing costs are added to the total production cost by the addition of the component. Customers will be dissatisfied if it doesn't work as expected. A large increase in market share is needed to make the addition worthwhile. Therefore the addition of a camera may be worthwhile, whereas the addition of a barometric sensor is not. However a camera requires retooling of the Freerunner's case, a surprisingly cost-prohibitive change. I think the cost of creating a new case for the Freerunner is considerably more than $10,000. I would imagine that a camera requires other components to make it work and is more complex from the design point of view. There have historically been two major complaints about the Freerunner - lack of a camera and of 3G. Either might enlarge its market share considerably, but both were rejected on cost grounds. This barometer is self-contained and connected to the i2c bus, a _relatively_ simple addition. If there is demand for the barometer - although I'm inclined to agree with Rask that there wouldn't be - then it might it be justified to add it were Brazil ever to go into Freerunner production. A 1.3mp camera would produce complaints that it's a poor specification compared to the iPhone. Hardly anyone would be grateful for the addition of the barometric sensor. TBH, if the Freerunner were in reliable, long-term production, I might be able to imagine a market for Freerunners amongst hang-glider pilots. I think a person might be able to make a living adding Christoph's sensor and selling Freerunners with varioaltimeter software installed. The software would have to be closed-source, however, to make a livelihood out of it and realistically it might take a year to get the software to an acceptable quality for commercial sales (and still longer to build-up market share). The author might need to write anti-piracy measures into the code, and what is to prevent a determined attacker from patching the kernel to report a different IMEA number to the altimeter software? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
On 3 Oct 2009, at 19:04, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote: Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com writes: ... But I already told you - you don't have to restart whole E. Just enter to keyboard menu in illume wrench, select none, and then default (it will restart illume keyboard). And it'll work just nicely. I don't even need to do *that*: I've always just tapped the `qwerty' box (in the top-right corner, in the default theme), and the keyboard pops up perfectly fine even in landscape mode. I don't understand what you guys are talking about--should that not be working for me? On my Freerunner - running SHR-unstable - the qwuerty is not visible in the top-right corner by default. You have to press the wrench to pull out the top tray. Then the qwerty is visible and pressing it operates the keyboard. I believe this is what Sebastian is explaining. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Internal pressure sensor
On 30 Sep 2009, at 22:18, Christoph Mair wrote: ... I successfully added a pressure sensor to my Freerunner. The BMP085 chip from Bosch Sensortec is a small (5x5x1.5mm) chip which includes a pressure and a temperature sensor. Power and I2C is enough to get it working. I glued it next to the BT antenna. The wiki page contains some pictures: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/I2C_Pressure_Sensor Sourcecode is available from http://gitorious.org/freerunner-navigation- board/bmp085 Cool! How accurate do you find it? This makes the Freerunner a nice mobile for glider / hang-glider / paraglider pilots. They most always carry a varioaltimeter with them, and last time I flew (some years ago) GPS was beginning to have a significant impact upon that (niche) market. The combination of barometric pressure with groundspeed allows one to easily find the optimal speed-to-fly, allowing for head- or tail-wind on a glide between lift sources (thermals). I'm sure that this sensor must be at least as accurate as those used in the cheap commercial ($250) varioaltimeters of 10 years ago, so it looks really good for this sport, if someone has the time to make a nice interface. It would be interesting (for me, anyway) to test by climbing a small hill and see if the pressure difference is reflected accurately. 30m should be a good initial test. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Offline SHR Manager - First Release 0.1
On 30 Sep 2009, at 00:54, Dan Staley wrote: ... +1 for sending/receiving sms from the client computer when the freerunner is connected! It would make answering texts much easier (as I am near a computer most of the time anyway). I used to be able to do this by Bluetooth, on my Mac using a previous phone. I rather assumed there was a standard Bluetooth framework for this? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Offline SHR Manager - First Release 0.1
On 30 Sep 2009, at 14:32, Christ van Willegen wrote: On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: I used to be able to do this by Bluetooth, on my Mac using a previous phone. I rather assumed there was a standard Bluetooth framework for this? When I did this with my previous phone and my Mac, the SMS message never made it to the phone's memory. Since we're talking a different phone here, we can do with the message whatever we want, but it was still annoying! I don't care about this myself, but if there's a standard way for the PC phone to talk over bluetooth then that feature would be part of the phone's implementation of the protocol. I can't remember if active pairing was necessary (on each occasion), but I really liked the way the phone alerted the computer of incoming calls SMS. That was really nice. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Universal Remote for CE/HA? (openmoko)
On 29 Sep 2009, at 17:15, Jed wrote: ... Any thoughts/ideas/advice greatly appreciated! I couldn't understand your plans from what I saw in the text file. What didn't you get? The easy answer to this is: any of it. If you put up a great idea, and people don't understand it, there's a certain onus on you to explain. Saying what didn't you get seems like shifting the fault onto the other party. Your RTF file starts with the fragment find out if our aircon network can also be used as a gigabit LAN, which seems COMPLETELY irrelevant to the topic at hand. I ASSUME that urc, phillips, nevo, rti, creston, control4 are models of remote you wish to emulate - but why not just say that? Why not do so in the text of your email message, rather than in an attachment? What is the Asus link email address about? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [all / linux] neo as gps unit?
On 21 Aug 2009, at 16:15, Al Johnson wrote: On Friday 21 August 2009, Olivier Migeot wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Helge Haftinghelge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Could that be the default configuration? That would also listen on ppp0. Which could be problematic if - dunno if many operators do that - its IP is directly reachable from the Wild (i.e. anybody could be able to know where you are... ). Then block it in the default iptables rules Is iptables sure to be running by default? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix party at Debconf09 pics aviable :)
On 14 Aug 2009, at 10:04, Patryk Benderz wrote: Dnia 2009-08-11, wto o godzinie 12:16 +0200, Davide Scaini pisze: ...i want it fixed too!!! is there somewhere in europe where i can send my fr for fix? You could in the past - read Community Updates: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/June_25%2C_2009 I do not know if it is still possible to send FR for fix, but you can try - let us know if you succeed. I assume that handheld-linux.com are reputable. They announce the Buzz Fix resumes in 10 days time: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Buzz-Rework From where I'm standing it feels like the handling of the buzz fix is / was a bit of a piss-take. The was no post to the announce list, the UK supplier didn't bother to email me about it. Because I happened not to be reading the mailing lists at the time, I knew nothing about it. I don't know if the subsidisation of this that Openmoko made is actually worth anything: the €3 charged is nothing compared to the postage. I kinda really resent Openmoko for that. Am I being unreasonable? I guess I should just count myself lucky that I managed to find out about this in time, whilst the repair is still available at all. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ZAGG invisible sheild for Neo Freerunner
On 6 Aug 2009, at 19:48, Dan Staley wrote: ... Yes it is easy to install, and you can still plug everything in and take the back of the case off. It has separate pieces that fit perfectly on the freerunner. I can't believe you say this! I found it a nightmare to try to fit, and eventually gave up. ZAGG's simple screen protector is fine - because of the way you can add lubricant reposition it, it's maybe a little better than other brands. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [openBmap] GSM/GPS logger 0.4.0 is out! (Legal status)
On 28 Jul 2009, at 11:35, Patryk Benderz wrote: ... Hi, did you considered legal side of this work? I mean, do GSM operators in all countries allow us to collect these data? The data is publicly observable, so I don't see how they can claim any copyright upon it. If you're drawing a map you mark a hill upon it, the farmer who owns the hill surely cannot take action against you. (Assume you do not set foot upon the property, but estimate location height of the peak by observation triangulation from other nearby points of known height public accessibility). I don't see that it could be covered by a user agreement, because cell towers advertise their presence to users of other networks. What legal issues do YOU foresee, in which jurisdictions? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02
On 31 Jan 2009, at 22:53, arne anka wrote: The one thing I find absent in every design is a plain old phone keypad. Maybe a slider design to pull it out from underneath or such like. probably not what om likes -- but consider buying an unlocked g1 (android). with the android sources available virtually every distribution available for the fr should run on it, too. I would love to see SHR running on the G1. ;D Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Spam
On 28 Jan 2009, at 09:56, Jan Henkins wrote: ... There is another situation that I find to be a worry: In order to send mail to this list you have to have a registered address. ... but it could have been anybody else who have sent an email to the list. Looking in the list archives I can see that not enough is being done to obscure sender addresses. Currently the only thing that is being done is to replace the @ with a spaceatspace. So dor...@grey.com would become dorian at grey.com. Sweet! Armed with wget to leech all the archives, a few text tools (grep, Perl, Python, etc) and I can build up a list of addresses (almost 100% confirmed working addresses) that could be used for various spamming activities. A list of active addresses is worth money too! ;-) So what I suggest is that the list administrators obfuscate list members' addresses even more. MailMan's Pipermail archiver can do this if properly set up. Surely the traditional mailing list problem remains - subscribers to the list will still receive messages with the full from address intact. Or do you intend to obfuscate that, too? Surely a spammer can just subscribe to the list to obtain all our addresses? Obfuscating email addresses on the web archive is, IMO, no substitute for sensible policies (greylisting, RBL, SFF?) at your incoming mail server. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Cellphone sizes
On 1 Jan 2009, at 11:57, Ben Wilson wrote: Sean's comment that 3G modules are currently too big has got me thinking about cellphone sizes. Maybe it's just me but I don't really see the fascination with keeping phones small. I would be happy with a phone larger than GTA01/02. Something a bit smaller than a Sony PSP. Really the only size constraint i have is the size of my pockets, which are quite big :) ... However I guess a phone that size might not appeal to everybody? I can really see the appeal of this larger form-factor (from those of your comments which I have snipped) but mostly I want to keep my phone in the pockets of my jeans. Mostly I do not want to wear more than jeans, a t-shirt and maybe a cotton shirt of some kind which does not have any pockets. I can see the need for a jacket or bag if one takes public transport, but usually I'm in my car these days, and the stuff I need with me sits on the passenger seat or glove compartment. I shove my phone in my jeans pocket when I get out of the car, and if I'm walking from my house to a bar or nightclub then I already have to carry my wallet tobacco, which fill my back pockets. In that situation I don't really want to pile too much stuff on the table in front of me, and a smaller handset which sits in the front pocket of my Levis is just preferable. For that one would not wish a unit larger than the Freerunner. The PSP is a lovely games / video player, and if I took the train, bus or tube I might well use one all the time. It is a great size for that. But I started driving 3 or 4 years ago now, and have barely used public transport since, so was recently very glad indeed to sell the PSP I bought as an impulse purchase. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
On 29 Dec 2008, at 23:27, Neil Jerram wrote: 2008/12/29 Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk: Note, however, that I would most always use 0207 or 0208 xxx yyy Need one more y there: I thought that might be the case. 0207 or 0208 xxx . Nevertheless, I would write or say it this way. for London numbers - I personally would not use 020, or group the 7 or 8 with the next set of digits. This is probably because I remember when they changed London numbers from 01 to 020 and then subsequently added the 7 8 depending upon whether the destination was in inner- or outer-London respectively. But technically, I believe that 020 is the area code - in the sense that when you're using a landline in an 0208 place (i.e. outer London), you can call 7xxx without dialling the area code, and vice versa. For this reason I personally prefer writing 020 [78]xxx . I figured that may be the case. I wonder how many people do write it this way, though? I meant to add in my previous reply, that there are probably no hard fast rules about how people here in the UK do _actually_ read out numbers. I was on the phone to an Indian call centre a while back and was very frustrated by the way the speaker read my number back to me - they can't even speak English phone numbers correctly! I fumed, but on reflection I realised that many native English speakers read their numbers differently to the way I do, too. It can make it quite difficult to recognise the same number, if it is presented differently. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
On 29 Dec 2008, at 12:00, Michele Renda wrote: ... I try to explain: when we read a phone number we usually like to separe it with some spaces or signs: I'm in the UK; I would most always format a number so that the last 6 digits are in two groups of 3. This generally means reading a 4 or 5 digit area code first, then 321 pause 456. The wikipedia article posted by someone else tends to confirm the 4 or 5 digit area code first for me, as it states UK numbers to be 10 or 11 digits long. Note, however, that I would most always use 0207 or 0208 xxx yyy for London numbers - I personally would not use 020, or group the 7 or 8 with the next set of digits. This is probably because I remember when they changed London numbers from 01 to 020 and then subsequently added the 7 8 depending upon whether the destination was in inner- or outer-London respectively. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
On 19 Dec 2008, at 01:10, W.Kenworthy wrote: ... Actually, please add a camera. Many techos (that is those who work in technical areas) use the mobile phone camera in their work. I.e., photos of situations, faults etc for reference/passing on to support etc. Only one device to carry, and its always with you. I have found only one excellent application for a camera phone. When installing Windows, one would be useful for photographing the license sticker, which is often inaccessible ill-lit in the back of the server cabinet. I can then go back to my desk, enter the key using remote desktop or the network KVM, activate validate the installation. This is much more convenient than sticking my head in out of a confined space entering the key 5 digits at a time standing up at the sever rack. Unfortunately, my last phone's camera is inadequate for this, too. It has some kind of flash (or perhaps just a white LED for illumination?) but it is too poor to actually take photos in such dim light. However, a camera has been confirmed for GTA03 and - since cameras are so common on mobile devices - I don't see Openmoko removing this feature without mentioning it. So a thread asking for its addition or removal is really a bit redundant at this stage. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions
On 18 Dec 2008, at 15:46, Esben Stien wrote: Why on earth would you choose 192.168.0.*? This is probably the most common IP address on an internal network in the world and of course this means problems. +1 Stroller ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions
On 18 Dec 2008, at 14:55, Marcel wrote: Am Thursday 18 December 2008 16:46:55 schrieb Esben Stien: Why on earth would you choose 192.168.0.*? This is probably the most common IP address on an internal network in the world and of course this means problems. ... Nearly every network I know uses 192.168.1.*, so the default is perfectly fine... IME 192.168.1.* is the *second* most common address range for private networks. Although something like 192.168.64.* could be statistically more failsafe. Indeed. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions
On 18 Dec 2008, at 18:50, Sargun Dhillon wrote: Most Linux users, or most users that this device is aimed at are intelligent enough ... Clearly you weren't about reading the many, MANY support posts at the time of the Freerunner's release. At that time questions on this subject would be posted to the list SEVERAL TIMES PER DAY. I haven't read the support list or IRC in a while, but I would doubt that such questions have become uncommon - just that the number of new users has dropped to a trickle. If the default IP address continues to be in the 192.168.0.x, 192.168.1.y or 192.168.2.z ranges then it'll just cause problems for all the many n00bs when sales spike again in the future. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bad Customer support from Truebox.com about a Broken Battery
Bad move, guys. If the customer says the goods haven't arrived, you have to take it on the chin send a replacement, unless you can prove otherwise. ankostis' words i had personally instructed you suggest to me that he may be a demanding unwelcome customer - if I were writing I would advise you to choose a service with tracking capabilities - but that does not justify accusing him of bad mouthing you. Your mother brought you up better than for you to make such a response!! Customer service requires you often to exceed expectations. I know, because I've had to swallow the expense myself of hardware lost by the post office. He's a customer and he's entitled to bad mouth you, as long as he states the facts. I just don't get it: 1) you send out a phone with a duff battery. Not your fault. 2) you send out a replacement battery which gets lost in the post. Not your fault. 3) you send out a second replacement battery. Why the heck did you choose not to send it Special Delivery this time?? It was behove upon you to do so - hang the cost - in order to demonstrate your exemplary customer service. You failed. If I were in your position now - which I would not be!! I should be shamed to admit that I have failed customers on more than one occasion, but never over something as straight-forward as taking a jiffy bag to the post office - I would now be thinking I need to pay Fed Ex or someone £80 or more to get a battery to Greece within 24 or 48 hours. Stroller. On 10 Dec 2008, at 15:20, ankostis wrote: ... 2) Since you claimed to have sent me already 1 battery and got lost, and after i had personally instructed you to choose a service with tracking capabilities from my country's postal-service, why did you choose to ignore that mail? [3] ... On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Customer Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kostis It is a real shame that you consider bad mouthing us in public is good practice. We have sent you 2 batteries that have not arrived entirely at our cost, you claim you have not received them but we have no way to verify that is the case. We cannot send batteries with tracking numbers as that increases the cost 3 fold, we have done everything we can to rectify your problem, we cannot be held responsible for courier/postal services in your country. We get complains from customers who ask why we send packages that must be signed for! Whatever we do as a company we cannot make everyone happy, people have different opinions of what should be done. What I will say is that we have many happy customers and your bad mouthing of us in public when we have tried to resolve your problem is not acceptable and you can take it from us now that we will no longer do business with you as an individual because of that. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Android] Converting a brick into a phone
On 10 Dec 2008, at 16:01, arne anka wrote: ... android g1 ... i don't want to support any effort in that way. +1 Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Proposal for new mailing list was: Re: Get rid of the Buzz Re: [Android] Converting a brick into a phone
On 10 Dec 2008, at 19:22, Michel wrote: ... You just state what I already stated, that there is an unofficial fix but not an official one, so I have been reading the archives. I say in my e-mail Yes there are several soldering hacks around, but not one is official. And I know that OM will come with a warranty statement only when the fix becomes official. I would just like that the optimization team (or the resources provided to them) get focused towards getting the FreeRunner to do what it should do from the moment it leaves the factory, placing a normal phone call. It was my response to the whole distro/android discussion that the focus should be on getting a working phone part, the software already has proven itself on that front, now it's time for the hardware. I propose a new mailing list for this kinds of discussion: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Funding Global Domination Mk II The Console
On 10 Dec 2008, at 01:02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stroller wrote: For me, personally, a fully open-source ADSL router would be more compelling. Whilst you can do just about anything you want with iptables, most of us need a separate ADSL box of some sort [1]. Given any arbitrary ADSL router I'm sure I could find something about it I don't quite like, for some certain obscure configuration. The Wanadoo Livebox has, for instance, a USB port, which would allow you to run a print server on it or BitTorrent to an external hard-drive (like the Asus WL-700gE). But you can't because it's bleedin' closed. Out of curiosity, what's the main benefit in having a hackable ADSL router? Outside of consolidating router and modem? Consolidating router modem is good enough for me. :) I don't want the extra box cluttering up my trendy designer apartment *cough*. I've always bridged and considered an ADSL modem to be a transparent device whilst using OpenWRT on routers to perform all required networking and authentication. I've never done that - it'll be the approach I take when I go ADSL2 (hopefully soon), but wasn't the obvious way to do things when I got my last router (perhaps as much as 6 years ago, now). I have to say, I don't entirely trust a cheap ADSL modem used in this way. I kinda feel that it adds another level of potential confusion troubleshooting for me, as an administrator. There's a problem with incoming packets being dropped - is it in the modem or the router? And the ADSL router must, as things stand, be closed source. I certainly see this as flawed compared to having the one device doing the whole job. And from a hardware point of view you're doubling everything in having separate ethernet router ADSL modem - I put the last in quotes because all the external ethernet ADSL modems I've seen contain enough hardware to do routing, they just have a crippled firmware. Now if Openmoko were to create an OpenWRT compatible router with stupid amounts of storage space, awesome wireless range, a screaming CPU ... I'm not an expert on home ethernet routers - from my naive point of view there's little very new about that. ... currently consumer routers (I use the Asus WL-500GP and WL-500W) are less than optimal, but do the job. Out of curiosity, could you give me a quick run-down of their failings? TIA, Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Funding Global Domination Mk II The Console
severely compromised. The Linksys WRT routers have shown what cool stuff the open-source community can do, but AFAIK there are still no routers available with open ADSL drivers. There are HUNDREDS of devices on the OpenWRT supported hardware list, but they're all somewhat lacking if you're dependent upon DSL - Openmoko would be unique if they were to bring an Open ADSL router to market. Since I'm writing such a long email, I would like to mention that I've recently come to better appreciate Openmoko's full openness. THANK YOU OPENMOKO! In the last week or two I have been looking at a hardware device - I won't mention its name because I don't want to antagonise the guy - which users can build and which claims to be open source, but isn't, depending upon your definition. I've always thought myself that if I ever wrote $significant_application I would release it under a not for commercial use license (and offer commercial licenses alongside), and I thought to do so for exactly the reasons this guy gives. He says he doesn't want other people making a profit off [his] hard work, but when I consider working on his project as a 3rd-party I just find myself turned-off and almost nauseated by his licensing mess. The developer has implemented a really neat idea and shown its potential - he has managed to get the community engaged, but I feel that's hampered by the number of devices he can turn out of his shed (and many people don't want to have to build electronics PCBs for themselves). And when you look at the device, it's nothing really novel or unique - only a twist on existing ideas. Manufacturers have been turning out functionally very similar devices for decades and when I look at the chips he has used and posts about related stuff on electronics forums I can see that he's implemented his device in the obvious way that any hobbyist or electronics engineer would do, were they faced with the same set of requirements. The only difference between this device and something you'd buy in the local high street is that he has posted a blog describing some of his techniques, but the market for his twist is perhaps too small niche for the mass- market. When I want to produce something similar I just feel a big fuck you over his licensing - I want to write the software from scratch, GPL everything and steal his market, just because he's closed me out from his existing work. I come to his device with quite a different perspective, and initially I had little overlap of interest. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Funding Global Domination Mk II The Console
On 9 Dec 2008, at 16:12, Al Johnson wrote: ... So what I think would be idea would be for OpenMoko - or someone like them - to produce a low-power media box with hardware decoding, and open-source drivers for the video-accelerator chip. The Popcorn devices have such an accelerator, but did I mention they're closed- source? (VIA used to do CPUs c 1ghz with extra MPEG decoders, but they have been very late to the game with their open-source chrome drivers). The Neuros OSD2 is more or less what you're describing. It uses the Ti DaVinci which is closely related to the OMAP on the beagleboard. Development is in the open using OE, and the codecs can use the onboard DSP. The problem with it from my point of view is that it's not powerful enough to output 1080p. http://wiki.neurostechnology.com/index.php/OSD2.0_Development Is it released yet? I seem to remember the original Neuros (??) looked really inviting until I realised it offered only composite output. Apparently CPU of the Popcorn Hour is only 290mhz (MIPS) but it uses the Sigma Designs SMP8635 chipset for graphics acceleration, as does the DuneHD player. As you'll have guessed from the name of the latter they both do HD - 1080p. Apparently the same accelerator is used in some Blu-Ray players. If the Neuros OSD2 doesn't do HD then there's clearly room for competition - to be better than it. But it may not, of course, be possible to get the Sigma Designs chips - or any other suitable ones - without NDA. For me, personally, a fully open-source ADSL router would be more compelling. Whilst you can do just about anything you want with iptables, most of us need a separate ADSL box of some sort [1]. Given any arbitrary ADSL router I'm sure I could find something about it I don't quite like, for some certain obscure configuration. The Wanadoo Livebox has, for instance, a USB port, which would allow you to run a print server on it or BitTorrent to an external hard-drive (like the Asus WL-700gE). But you can't because it's bleedin' closed. Stroller. [1] ADSL2 being unsupported by Sangoma's 518, and it makes for kinda a large, power-hungry box if you need a PCI slot in it anyway. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT]Software patents end? ??:) light at the end of tunnel
On 28 Nov 2008, at 11:06, Sean McNeil wrote: ... I'd like to point out also that the CD source is already lossy in that it is a digital representation of analog signals. Recording companies, however, compensate for this and work to make the sound output from a CD player as ideal as possible, I understood otherwise: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war Google loudness war for many other posts on the subject - many of these posts are very readable and are complaints from genuine music- lovers disappointed with deteriorating audio quality on new releases. I don't listen to music so much these days - I've just gotten out of the habit of it, I guess. But I have fond memories of the very early 1990s, when CD was still the medium of audiophile choice, and the argument against vinyl still raged. I would kick back with a Jimi Hendrix remaster and pick out individual instruments to appreciate as part of the whole. Each was pure and remarkable - or perhaps that was just the spliff - but when I read about how the record companies are reducing the dynamic range of the albums they now publish I wonder if the same experience would be possible. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Accel digital spirit-level wanted
On 28 Nov 2008, at 07:02, bytestore wrote: anybody, write programm digital building level The English word for this is a digital spirit level. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_level HTH, Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
On 21 Nov 2008, at 16:41, Tilman Baumann wrote: I just want to point out that I will not vote because the vote is bullshit. +1 I when I finished reading this list yesterday it had only 3 replies, and thought about replying. Unless your email address ends in @openmoko.com, please keep surveys and votes off this list! They seem to generate a very high number of posts lacking in thoughtfulness - as opposed to, say, those a thread titled capacitive screens vs touchscreens might - and it is naive to consider what kind of hardware an individual user would prefer in isolation of all the other compromises that would be required to accommodate the decision. And even more important. Price and availability. What you want is totally unimportant. The question is which compromises are you ready to make? This is nothing that can be figured out by some stupid two options poll. ... I would like openmoko to do bold steps. But they should also be careful. Introduction of a multi-touch screen would only fragment the userbase. 10,000 Freerunner owners would be bitching that they can't run $new.app because it requires the new screen type; owners of the new device would be bitching that existing apps don't use the cool new interface. Hardware decisions are best made by those who actually have an insight into ALL the variables of the planned hardware. The whims of you I are simply irrelevant if Openmoko / FIC are unable to purchase multi- touch screens. In case you're not aware, hardware decisions have already been constrained by an unavailability of parts in such small quantities as those used in Openmoko devices - you might have to buy 100,000 or 1,000,000 units before the vendor will talk to you. Besides that, GTA03 is no longer subject to change - isn't it stupid to be making plans (especially when you're not in a position to do so) for GTA04 or 05, when the hardware available by that time might be quite different from what is on the market now? Thanks for cluttering up my inbox with this irrelevancy. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL
On 18 Nov 2008, at 13:22, Nicola Mfb wrote: ... Yes! When someone asks me if it's a good idea to give a try to gentoo (my preferred distro) I point them to: http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Gentoo :) From TFA: Old-school Linux users were desperate to find a new way to feel superior. Some migrated to versions of BSD, ... I recently considered Solaris, but only briefly. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL
On 18 Nov 2008, at 13:01, Dale Maggee wrote: ... Q: What's the difference between an iphone and a freerunner? A: One works but takes away your freedom, the other is free but needs your work 3 3 3 Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL
On 19 Nov 2008, at 08:46, Dale Maggee wrote: Q: What's the difference between a brick and a freerunner? A: A brick isn't designed to make phone calls. Maybe these should appear on the splash screen of the Neos Brilliant! 1. Save either attachment somewhere 2. Use NeoTool or 'dfu-util -a splash -R -D filename' to flash the new splash to your neo 3. power down then turn on your neo 4. Laugh. :D -Dale moko_brick.gz I find the idea of flashing an attachment called moko_brick somewhat ominous. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL
On 14 Nov 2008, at 16:10, Minh Ha Duong wrote: Le vendredi 14 novembre 2008, Yorick Moko a écrit : On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jacob, Glamo is not a forbidden topic. Having said that, if someone wants to seriously develop for the glamo, please get in touch with me and we will find a legally correct way to extend the smedia documentation to you. In fact we have done that in a few cases before already, but I'm not sure how much actual codes have come out of that. I think very little ;-) So we need some really serious coders that don't mind a tough challenge. Best Regards, Wolfgang wow, this is the first I hear about this I don't think it is very well know in the community. Maybe somebody can put a notification on the main page of the wiki about it? To say what ? I thought that was obvious from what you quoted. But in case it isn't: PROGRAMMERS WANTED Must have low-level graphics experience. Apply here. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)
On 15 Nov 2008, at 07:08, Kishore wrote: On Friday 14 Nov 2008 8:13:20 pm Gothnet wrote: Also, I know everyone loves X, but is it really the best choice for a low powered device that needs a responsive UI? ... I still would like to know more in terms of performance and memory consumption and scalability. You guys should search some of Raster's previous posts on this subject. Although you may have to go through quite a lot of posts to find his comments (!), I think you will find he has stated more than once that the performance of X is much maligned (as long as programmers are sensible and use appropriate practices). Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: General GPS Question
On 30 Oct 2008, at 19:05, Matthias Camenzind wrote: Or if you have an altimeter with you. Something like this: http://www.princetonwatches.com/images/watches/53957.jpg Seems to be small enough to get in Gta03 or 04. :) The blades would prevent international air-travel with any equipped cell-phone. ;) Seriously, altimeter chips have been mentioned on this list in the past, when proposals have been made for including an altimeter. But an altimeter is unlikely to reach a production Openmoko phone because the demand is too small. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Touchscreen scratch protection
On 27 Oct 2008, at 15:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zagg ... I have 2 coupons for 20% discount, if anyone interested. Just mail me directly and i'll be happy to share them. Put them on the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Zagg_Protection_Discount_Number Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ``Freerunner reliable and stable''?!
On 26 Oct 2008, at 11:12, Paul wrote: ... On http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner everyone can read: The FreeRunner can be purchased from the Online Store http://www.openmoko.com as of July 3, 2008. The software available on the phone makes it suitable for power users and developers only -- it is not yet ready for the general consumer. So whining that it is not ready for the regular user is kind of sad. ... A new purchaser might not know to read the wiki. Such a notice should also be on the Openmoko.com site, too, particularly pages around the online store. Openmoko have been advised about this on a number of occasions, and I thought they had even agreed to post such a notice. At present it seems quite easy to go to Openmoko.com, click on Products Buy now USA Store Buy now and not see such a notice. Otherwise I do generally agree with you that these threads are unproductive. But the best way to deal with them is to remove all excuses to whine about Freerunner stability - by posting such a notice. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03 - buttons or touchscreen
On 25 Oct 2008, at 17:39, JW wrote: vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone [also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to buy now!] 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 *** Please don't write endless pages about why - just indicate which one YOU want. *** Hi JW, You're not posting from an @openmoko address, so does this vote have an actual benefit? Do we get to influence the final design of the GTA03? Or is this just an exercise in filling up our email boxes? I apologise for asking this if I've failed to realise that you're famously Openmoko's hardware design manager. I would personally vote for touchscreen just like the Freerunner, so that there is less risk of divergence in the input methods of important software whilst Openmoko-based software stacks are establishing themselves. Adding options for different input methods and dealing with the bugs that may introduce by supporting them is not beneficial at this time - once the stack is solid stable, then they can be added. (Actually, having looked at the other options, I would vote for touchscreen-only in any case. I might potentially find a trackball, d- pad or a couple extra programmable buttons useful, but I don't want space taken up by a keyboard that will be too small to use, anyway. Just maximise the screenspace!) Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: what about crontab?
On 25 Oct 2008, at 21:01, Giovanni wrote: I installed cron from Angstrom repository: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Users_Repositories#Angstrom_Repository I did an alarm clock by using crontab, which launches mplayer wakeup.mp3 Does this version of cron wake the Freerunner from suspend? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
On 21 Oct 2008, at 19:52, Jim Morris wrote: Cédric Berger wrote: Here we are http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html time to port to Neo ! At last maybe we will get a stable, usable O/S for the Neo (which I have shelved until such a thing exists). I was using Qt but QtExtended was a step backwards in stability. I am very happy to see Android available for development, I may un-shelve my Neo blow off the dust and help port it! It's always charming to encounter an optimist. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: One more rotate version
On 20 Oct 2008, at 15:37, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 04:31:21PM +0200, DJDAS wrote: If someone can cookup indent recipes for converting between one and another I'd gladly use it to facilitate integration :) man indent? ;) I don't care enough about indentation to spend time learning indent, I just want it sufficiently consistent. If someone who cares can cookup a recipe, great. indent -kr file.c Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience
On 19 Oct 2008, at 13:46, Dale Maggee wrote: arne anka wrote: ==Pim device== imho that's exactly the kind of task openmoko did _not_ ask for. I would respectfully disagree - Openmoko asked about Improving user experience, and users are saying they want to experience PIM capabilities. ... and it's doable by community! Agreed, it could be done by the community, but I don't see anyone doing it, and I'm not smart enough, nor do I have the time at the moment. It does not matter whether YOU could do it or not. it's a matter of where Openmoko's resources are best spent. If you can't write a PIM app, then you CERTAINLY can't write kernel drivers - THAT is where Openmoko's resources should be mist focussed, IMO. As others have stated, there is some hardware-level stuff that only Openmoko has NDA for. And without working hardware drivers to ensure that phonecalls work flawlessly (and wifi, and bluetooth), a PIM is irrelevant. there are a lot of posts lately completely ignoring the point of basics and no eyecandy I haven't seen anybody ask for pretty-looking PIM applications, people seem to be asking for *reliable* PIM applications. I'd call reliability and robustness basic. Basic reliability and robustness resides in a program with which you can enter a number and make a call. Once that prototype exists it is much easier for the community to extend it to PIM functionality. Openmoko can then move on to wifi drivers, Glamo hardware acceleration and pairing of bluetooth headsets. pim frinst is at it's best part of a middle tier, but rather of a particular distribution -- This kind of comes into the Should FSO merge be sped up? debate, as I believe the framework has PIM stuff built into it. AIUI (and I would be delighted to be corrected if I'm wrong), the FSO stuff is intended to provide functions which will allow you to make simple DBUS calls such as get number $var from PIM manager and make call to number $var. Once these are complete, writing your own applications becomes easy. True the first of these example calls requests you integrate the functionality in your own app, but the latter makes problems with dealing with the dialler the GSM chips whatever go away. It is FAR more important to provide the community with these tools than it is to provide any kind of application that utilises them (beyond a command-line version which gets numbers from a text-file and operates as a test example). Once these calls are available there will be dozens of PIM managers posted to this list and being written by enthusiastic Python programmers. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Example of community manager job role Was: Re: FBReader now working on the FreeRunner
On 12 Oct 2008, at 20:55, Rod Whitby wrote: If Openmoko had a community manager, that person would contact Michael directly and: 1) Invite Michael to get commit privs and commit this patch himself directly to the OM repo. This may include teaching about how it all works. Is it possible to give Michael commit privs for only this package, though? One surely wouldn't want to give them to a community member on the basis of a single GUI app and later find he has b0rked the whole kernel tree. I know that my own favourite distro (Gentoo) has some kind of formal scheme to test the qualities of potential developers and introduce them to full developership. Such a set of formalities may bring its own disadvantages, however. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
On 13 Oct 2008, at 08:13, Rod Whitby wrote: ... The state of affairs *should* be that you just get the application name from opkg.org, and then type opkg install name on whatever distribution you are running (or select the application name from the GUI installer application on the device) and it installs flawlessly from the official feeds for that distribution. That requires exiting the web-browser using the CLI. Aren't people asking for immediate installation through the GUI of the browser? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: console command history
On 13 Oct 2008, at 22:02, Joel Newkirk wrote: How can I enlarge the console command history? I'm used to being able to peruse hundreds of lines of previous commands in bash, the limit to ~16 lines is maddening. Isn't it in .bashrc or .bash_profile? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What should a community manager do?
Blimey! Rod makes some GREAT points here - this email should probably be a standard reference document for OSS projects. When I got to the bottom read his credentials they seemed entirely congruent with his insights. I just want to add one little thing, and that's DON'T OVERLOOK THE DETAILS... as Rod has been thorough in his post, so should you be thorough if trying to foster an OSS project. Sure, looking after all the little details should ensure that the bigger picture holds together, too, but if everything else is going through a bad patch, or someone is having a bad day, these little things can be the last straw. On 11 Oct 2008, at 06:48, Rod Whitby wrote: ... Never let an external developer be inconvenienced because some mailing list is sending duplicate messages, ... Openmoko has been told about this COUNTLESS times, and nothing seems to get done about it. Has anyone actually tried fixing the mailing list software / server? Some days it just really pisses me off, reading through the mailing list and having to click delete all the time, because I've seen that message 3 times already. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2008] Documentation for .kbd-files?
On 10 Oct 2008, at 19:38, Konstantin wrote: ... Is there any documentation available that describes the format of the .kbd-files the Illume-Keyboard uses? I'd like to build a german qwertz-layout (comes in handy for writing SMS ;) ), but don't quite understand the format of the corresponding keyboard config files. Raster has posted details on this list in the past. It may be difficult to search for, but I think if you find the correct post you'll have no difficulty producing your own .kbd files. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Lost Openmoko Community ( what's a community manager to do?)
On 6 Oct 2008, at 22:19, Steve Mosher wrote: Stroller wrote: One of the things that Risto was complaining about was the number of distros for the Freerunner, and they're all incomplete!! His words why don't the developers feel ok to contribute directly to 2007.x and 2008.x but 'fork' their own distros? echo my own complaints a couple of months ago in my message Community contributions to core apps features 9 weeks ago. ... It was clear that this too would cause division. I guess you could say we embraced fragmentation, well aware of the pitfalls. I think that it's easy for people to complain about the pitfalls without seeing - at the moment - how successful the forks are. The common complaint is duplication of effort - which then leads to a desire for one true distro - but considering how much the situation has improved in only a few weeks this doesn't seem to be a problem. When you start thinking about one true distro you naturally start thinking that it's Openmoko's responsibility to manage it, and democratic (or consensus based) community contributions, and I think this is 1/3 of what Risto was complaining about (bugs / distros / information). So the only answer to this IS to have more distros. And really, anyone complaining about the state of the current software stacks should have been here 3 months ago. Back then it was Openmoko shouldn't have shipped broken hardware with this GPS bug! Isn't that now all fixed in the kernel drivers? No-one who sees how much the situation has improved is complaining now. We actually like the fact that there are competing distros. The one unique thing we offer is the freedom to choose your distro and choose your carrier. Yes, indeed! And thank goodness! Otherwise we'd all be stuck with Sean's blue-sky vision. Thank goodness it's an unpopular one ;) since it has lead to all these other great distros! Build the product and the community will come to you! It already has, it's just a little too early for everyone to see the fruits of this. yes. my question is can we optimize the effort. Again, open question. negative feedback is as welcome ( in due course) as positive feedback.not to pat you on the back stroller, but when Sean and I talk we almost invariably discuss your perspective on things. I'll be glad to bill you for my time. ;) We already have Michael Shiloh providing weekly community updates (ahem) - IMO a community manager would just be a distraction from Openmoko's real business. You should be concentrating on the hardware, and if you're employing an additional member of staff then make it a kernel programmer, so that your hardware runs more smoothly for the distros that evolve around it. Or get FSO complete sooner, so that (again) all the distros benefit. Well engineering hiring continues day in and day out. As VP of marketing it's part of my job to find ways to make use of this wonderful asset, the community I'll give you an example. At linux world I faced a huge problem. Two booths. and a marketing staff of two. me and michael. And a sales staff of two. Whats missing? somebody with technical knowledge at the booth. Should I ask for an engineer to attend the trade show? Nope, I asked the community to step forward and man the booths with us. When the press came to talk to me, I pointed them at the community member who gave them the unvarnished truth. At first PR thought I was insane, later they changed their minds. Now, for example, I cant coordinate this kind of effort all the time for every show around the world. Is that a job for a full time trade show manager or a community manager? I don't know, I'm at the stage of kicking around ideas. Some of them should get kicked in the head, others in the butt. But its not a distraction. me dragging engineers off of projects to support trade shows is a distraction, to use a concrete example. From outside it's obviously difficult to appreciate how busy you are. I always assumed you spent your days drinking lattes playing fussball in the trendy corporate offices. ;) I don't know that this example - better co-ordination of PR marketing - actually resolves Risto's complaints. There definitely IS a place for users like him to report bugs and test daily builds, and I don't see how to make him - or others like him - see that if they can't already appreciate that from what's already out there. He asks I don't know what's the development status of the software or what's the general direction the community and/or Openmoko is heading to? - well, the answer to that is surely improving the software, and it's happening the same way that it happens in every other open- source product. People are writing their own little apps, porting others, writing blog posts and HOWTOs, answering questions on the mailing list. The community is like an avalanche
Re: led blinking during suspend?
On 5 Oct 2008, at 23:10, Richy wrote: ... I would find it rather cool if the red LED would blink on missed calls and the blue one on missed messages. This is a useful idea. There is no need to make a difference between a turned off NEO and a suspended one, because once power management is mature enough you won't actually power it off anyways. Except a flashing LED reassures me that the battery is not dead. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Lost Openmoko Community ( what's a community manager to do?)
One of the things that Risto was complaining about was the number of distros for the Freerunner, and they're all incomplete!! His words why don't the developers feel ok to contribute directly to 2007.x and 2008.x but 'fork' their own distros? echo my own complaints a couple of months ago in my message Community contributions to core apps features 9 weeks ago. You Sean have said that you want to follow your own vision in the software side of things - developers can't supply patches for power- user features (that make the UI more complex) and expect you to include them in the core distro, if you're trying to produce a phone software suite for grandmothers. And I really understand where you're coming from with this - you have to sell loads more volume if you want your hardware business to be successful. So the only answer to this IS to have more distros. And really, anyone complaining about the state of the current software stacks should have been here 3 months ago. Back then it was Openmoko shouldn't have shipped broken hardware with this GPS bug! Isn't that now all fixed in the kernel drivers? No-one who sees how much the situation has improved is complaining now. I appreciate there's some room for compromise between grandmothers and power-users on the state of the software. You can start with a basic interface and have a framework so that extra features are only shown once installed configured by the advanced users. But there is no one true way - if we look at the state of desktop window managers, we see that. This is a relatively mature market - Gnome KDE have both been around and stable for several years. When Risto or some other newcomer looks at Openmoko the Freerunner, you cannot expect them to see a path as clear, directed and well-signposted as that space. I applaud your effort - you're responding to criticism and asking how you can fix the problem - but I can't see how a community manager can change anything. You can't exactly deny there are several Freerunner distros, or that they're all works in progress! Build the product and the community will come to you! It already has, it's just a little too early for everyone to see the fruits of this. We already have Michael Shiloh providing weekly community updates (ahem) - IMO a community manager would just be a distraction from Openmoko's real business. You should be concentrating on the hardware, and if you're employing an additional member of staff then make it a kernel programmer, so that your hardware runs more smoothly for the distros that evolve around it. Or get FSO complete sooner, so that (again) all the distros benefit. Running a business is all about customer satisfaction, but you can't keep EVERYONE happy. There will always be 1 or 2 who don't get it, and they just happen to be vocal about it. You've already satisfied 99% of us with your open-source mobile phone platform - already so many people are bringing their own ideas and (more importantly) work to that. Ignore the whiners! I don't include Risto in that characterisation, but I don't see how you can please him. In 6 months time you will have some amazing community distros for your phones, and at least then the incomplete complaint will be satisfied. Those that don't get it, meanwhile, will have found something else to complain about. This is the nature of open source. Stroller. On 6 Oct 2008, at 03:37, Steve Mosher wrote: Stroller let's assume it is Possible. I had a long chat with Sean today. We both read the community list daily and our number one topic of conversation was the Lost community thread. Sean asked me what I thought of having a community manager. ( he was reading my mind again) On one hand, I said, Stoller has some good points ( as always). It would be a bit like herding cats, and in someway we want interesting cats, wandering off to do things that A) we didnt think of and B) we disagree with. basically because we don't know everything. On the other hand, we do recognize the benefit to be had from a little bit of structure. I have my ideas about what a community manager would do to organize and mobilize, But before I put those ideas down, I'd like to throw it open to the community. Question: what functions do you see a community manager performing. Write his job spec. ( hint hint) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Lost Openmoko Community
Hi Risto, I think you depend upon Openmoko Inc. to provide the community. Or perhaps direction for the community. I don't know if that's possible. Community is, by definition, a bunch of different people, with different ideas and different requirements. Sure there may be some consensus, but there will also be plenty of people pulling in different directions, too. Additionally, I think most of us, as Linux geeks, disagree with Openmoko Inc. on what software for our phones should look like. Openmoko want to sell their next generation of phones to little old ladies and teenagers, and are prepared to sacrifice complexity to do that. And they won't be asking the community how we want our phones - they will be following their own vision to achieve this. I won't by any means be relying on official distros to do what I want. But what Openmoko HAS given us is wonderful, wonderful phone hardware which runs fully open-source software. I have realised that any criticism I might make of Openmoko must pale in comparison beside this - they're the ONLY people who have yet done so. (Perhaps we might mention the no-longer available Trolltech Greenphone, but that was only a run of 1000 units or so). I appreciate that if you're not already a Linux / OSS fanboi, then the above statement might not mean much. What good is fully open-source software, if it doesn't work, you say? Well, the benefit is that WE can make it work, and we don't have to reply upon Openmoko to help us. Considering that the Freerunner is only - what? - 3 months old, the community has made leaps bounds already. As others have pointed out, you can make a bug report over a spelling mistake, and I point to David Samblas' distro as an example of what the community has produced already. I think that your problems stem from looking at the Openmoko community from the outside in. Only 3 months ago the first 5,000 or 10,000 units of the Freerunner suddenly hit the market - of course the direction of development is going to be a mess. It's going to be impossible to look at just a wiki or two and try and get a handle of everything that's going on. And one shouldn't expect the impossible from Openmoko - to expect a unified direction of development you are asking someone to herd cats. Personally I don't want a single true distro, because we might end up with Gnome for phones. I prefer KDE and others here prefer Ice or whatever. Rereading some of your questions, I did feel the same way myself a couple of months ago. why don't the developers feel ok to contribute directly to 2007.x and 2008.x but 'fork' their own distros? I have to say that I asked this myself, and I came to realise that that wouldn't suit the Openmoko vision for their own software. Just as you can't submit patches to Gnome to add right-click options if it doesn't meet with their usability specification or ask KDE to remove options because they confuse my grandmother, some aspects of the Openmoko vision are indeed closed. But this free software lark gives us the CHOICE! I feel that software images from Raster David Samblas, the work being undertaken on SHR and the recent Qtopia release are all testaments to the community surrounding Openmoko's device(s), and if you appreciated how rapidly the situation with the software distos has improved in only a few weeks, you would realise that there are great things ahead for this platform. Yes, presently it may be frustrating for you, but even the person who makes a blog post about configuring their wifi under disto X, or changing the theme so that Navit displays better... those people are making a difference and improving the Freerunner environment for everyone. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Evince works and is nice for ebooks
On 3 Oct 2008, at 07:52, Nishit Dave wrote: Why can't we have GUIs redesigned for mobile screens? Because you haven't redesigned them written the code. There are many packages like epdfviewer etc. out there that just replicate the GUI used for a PC. The menu bar takes up too much space. Menus need to scroll. The file open dialog is nearly impossible to use. hold your tongue or come up with a solution Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
On 1 Oct 2008, at 12:28, Nishit Dave wrote: All this discussion does not help if you realize that even after placing the FR *next* to the blooming router, you get reported a signal strength of 65%. What does the hardware expect, building the router *inside* the FR? Nishit, The company that sold you your Freerunner offered you refund, already. I assumed that you would take this, leave the list and STOP FUCKING WHINING. I guess this was too much for me to hope for, huh? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OSX] AJZaurusUSB bug fix project
Hi Nikolaus, You seem to have inadvertently khijacked a thread: In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 28 Sep 2008, at 11:55, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: ... So, I am a little stuck with further debugging since there have apparently been major changes in USB networking on the Freerunner. For that I need some experienced help to discuss these issues. Please contact me if you operate your Freerunner on Mac OS X and finally want to have a working USB driver. Previously I had only briefly tested the Freerunner with OS X and although I didn't get kernel panics I found it inconvenient enough that I switched to a spare Linux laptop instead. I have recently upgraded my desktop to OS X 10.5 (10.5.5), however - if by experienced help you mean testers then I will be glad give you any feedback I can. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates
On 18 Sep 2008, at 16:54, Tomas Riveros Schober wrote: well i think the gps can give you the altitute, albeit not very precise, but it works fine. It's not in the LEAST bit accurate. Like ±200m or so. This is hopeless if you want to measure the rise fall of the tide, atmospheric pressure for weather purposes or for sports aviation. I don't know if climbers walkers ever use altimeters, but in distinguishing of height, GPS would be poor for that too. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates
On 18 Sep 2008, at 13:52, Denis Galvão wrote: ... Is this possible to use the actual GTA_02 hardware version to do: - Compass ? - Altimeter ? This would be really cool for glider (hang-glider, paraglider) pilots. They usually carry a combined altimeter / variometer instrument (commonly called a vario, short for vario-altimeter) which, as well as absolute height, indicates rate-of-climb with a (LCD) needle and an audible beep. It can be impossible at height to distinguish if you're going up or down, so pilots rely on this to find thermals in which to climb. It's been a few years since I got my feet off the ground, but back then combined GPS / altimeter units were not common at all - the first one or two models were only just being introduced and were still expensive. But such a combination does allow *accurate* calculation of the best speed to fly against a headwind (or with a tailwind), allowing the pilot to reach the next thermal trigger point (geographic feature which may be expected to kick off a thermal) with the best height and the best chances of catching lift there. Meanwhile all vario units were proprietary software and most premium models appeared to be identical hardware to the cheapest ones, so this would be an excellent opportunity for the Open-Source community to add features. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Swype - Jaw dropping fast and accurate entry of text via touch screen [w/video]
On 11 Sep 2008, at 14:17, Kostis Anagnostopoulos wrote: On Thu 11 Sep 2008 01:31:27 Didier Raboud wrote: nickd wrote: Take a look at the other method previously pointed by Dan : http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/ It's GPL... I don't like Dasher because it introduces uncontrolled waiting states, in order for the target letter to reach the center. Surely the waiting state is controlled - by moving the cursor to the right (I imagine tilting the Freerunner) the stream of letters speeds up. On Dasher's site they make a comparison with car-driving. I think that if we were given the chance, we would preffere a click-to-destination instead of a steering- wheel car-UI. At some point analogies always break - probably as soon as you start using them to expand outside anything that the original analogiser had in mind. ;) The destination is the completed sentence of words. It is held initially inside your mind, and it is impossible to give the target device this destination without any intervening steps. Just as we don't yet have autonomous automobiles, either, a steering-wheel (or some other control device) is clearly necessary to get the words out of your head into the device. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using openmoko as a wireless gateway
On 10 Sep 2008, at 20:18, Kevin wrote: Would the following setup work: A Openmoko freerunner is set to connect to my laptop that is using a master mode capable wireless card and the default gateways is set to the ip of the openmoko freerunner. Sure. You just need to configure this. Does the wifi card support ad-hoc connections? This is not what you describe above. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Please split this list!
On 1 Sep 2008, at 16:35, arne anka wrote: There was some discussion about the mailing lists a couple of months ago - ... Openmoko ... redefined the purpose of the device-owners list, renaming it to support at the same time... ... the change from device-owners to support was proposed and took place because sensible: the list was created for the few that owned already an fr to discuss support questions -- for people w/o neo/fr it was of rather platonic interest. after switching to mass market and the subsequent increase of owners the name seemed not longer appropriate. Irrespective of who did it whether it was discussed or not, we still have loads of support-type questions (How do I do this? I changed the following config file but still...) on community. The volume just makes it unmanageable, IMO. People keep saying filter it on the client side, but how the heck does one do that? If we have multiple lists those who wish can subscribe to all of them and filter them into one folder, those that don't, don't. It seems simply a matter of choice to me, and multiple lists ADD choice, a fewer lists removes it. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call
On 31 Aug 2008, at 12:46, Ole Kliemann wrote: On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 06:37:05AM +0100, Stroller wrote: As the son of Lancastrian blood, I can sympathise with parsimoniousness, but right now Ole's suggestion appears penny- pinching to me, rather than practical prudent economising. Are you by any chance associated with a VoIP company and afraid of people making no-connect/no-cost calls all the time? ;-) No, not at all. But I figured that since you're going to have to pay to fetch the data anyway, I couldn't see much saving with this drop-calling shenanigans. You appear to have proved me right with your subsequent calculations. What relevance does VoIP have here - if you run VoIP on your Freerunner you're going to have to pay data rates on that. Or are you thinking I'm a VoIP exec protesting against your use of a VoIP provider for making drop-calls? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call
On 31 Aug 2008, at 11:56, Rod Whitby wrote: Stroller wrote: On 30 Aug 2008, at 05:34, Rod Whitby wrote: Please don't assume that everyone has unlimited data plans. Please don't assume probably won't prevent developers from doing so. Nothing can prevent open source developers from taking any world view they please. That's their right. That's why I'm educating them with the message that unlimited data plans are not available in all parts of the world. Your assertive tone here sounds like you're upset with me for questioning you. Please chill out. Nothing can prevent open source developers from taking any world view they please - that's why I ASKED YOU to educate them. Your previous message wasn't educational because it just said please don't assume without providing any depthful understanding of your problems. How much does data transfer cost there? (comparison of data cost relative to calls?) 1c per Kb. Calls are about 30c/min. A quick summary stating checking email every day would add $XX to my current $YY monthly phonebill might make your education more memorable. Why is the situation unlikely to change in the foreseeable? There are no market forces that will make it change, as Australia is a large country with a relatively sparse population (2.6 people per square kilometer). I'm surprised that makes any difference. I'd have thought the majority of data users were in the cities. A telco could provide GPRS / 3G data only in metropolitan areas or apply their unlimited data plans only in those areas. At the end of the day unlimited data has only become available in other countries because it's in Telco X's interest to induce customers away from Telco Y. Even restricting unlimited data to metropolitan areas one would sway a profitable percentage of customers. Once you have the infrastructure in place I understood the cost of shifting data to be relatively low. I appreciate that this my not scale for very long data lines, but once you've built cell towers in rural areas you have to supply them with bandwidth for voice. I expect the IMAP client on my openmoko phone to be able to download all my email for offline reading, deleting, and replying on the bus with *no* internet connectivity, and then sync all those changes seamlessly to the server as soon as I get the next internet connection. I expect that, too. Certainly under my data plan this would be essential for foreign holidays. It's good that our needs are identical then. Ability to do stuff when connected, and ability to do stuff when not connected as well. As opposed to an assumption that someone is always connected. Our needs aren't identical because I can enable checking every 5 minutes when at home and disable it when on holiday. On holiday I can check once per day or just manage without email on my phone - I can survive with an internet cafe for a couple of weeks per year. In fact I have been known to leave my phone at home when on holiday, for various reasons - for 2 weeks per year I can manage without. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mofi on FR
On 31 Aug 2008, at 18:54, Nishit Dave wrote: Why doesn't somebody fix the charmed file in the repos? T ... standing around wifi hotspots, if they know they have to change init() to _init(). Oh, don't be ridiculous. The guy standing in line for coffee next to you will have just finished editing /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/ __init__.py on his phone, so will know to help you. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Please split this list!
On 1 Sep 2008, at 12:06, Thorben Krueger wrote: Please consider splitting this mailinglist into sublists, i.e. each handling its own distribution... There was some discussion about the mailing lists a couple of months ago - one Openmoko employee said they were considering suggestions then another (apparently) unilaterally went on ahead anyway and redefined the purpose of the device-owners list, renaming it to support at the same time (an option which had not been discussed). The best way forward, IMO, is to split the support list into distros - presently, I think, it only handles 2007.2 - and take all support issues off community. Good luck getting a useful result. I think I'm going to have to stop reading, so great is the volume on community at present. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC OpenMoko Bluetooth remote controller - now with Gestures
On 30 Aug 2008, at 14:26, Valerio Valerio wrote: ... I have only one bluetooth enabled device nearby: my ps3. I go to manage bluetooth devices and let it scan and then I start remoko. It never finds the phone, while it does find the carkit of my mother when she parks right outside. What do I need to do to make it work? (if you need some more info, just ask and I'll happily provide it) Update: It now shows the BlueZ (0) device but when I select register on my PS3 i get: An error occurred during the register operation. Try to register again. (80010009) This happens because the PS3 is trying to register a special service record, the ReMoko app have a standard keyboard and mouse combo service record. Do you know if is possible to use a standard bluetooth keyboard in the PS3 ? I only know that is possible to use some special bluetooth keyboard, that only work in the PS3. The PS3 and the WII have a custom Bluetooth HID profile, so the standard bluetooth mouse's and keyboard's are not expected to work in the consoles. I don't have a bluetooth keyboard or mouse here to test, but allegedly support for them was added in the 1.6 update some time ago (PS3 is now at firmware 2.1 or so). I can't, however, find any confirmation that these devices (with a standard HID) work with the PS3 - perhaps one or two forum posts saying this keyboard works ok, but there appears to have been at least one designed-for-PS3 keyboard released (by Logitech, and it was in development before 1.6). Rest assured that there is absolutely no chance of a dangerous equipment malfunction prior to your victory candescence. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call
On 30 Aug 2008, at 05:34, Rod Whitby wrote: Stroller wrote: I thought the standard now was unlimited data plans. ... You have my sympathies if you're not on an unlimited data plan, Ole, but I would see unlimited data use as the long-term expectation of OpenMoko projects. Please don't assume that everyone has unlimited data plans. Please don't assume probably won't prevent developers from doing so. It would probably be better to educate readers about WHY we shouldn't assume data transfer via GPRS to be massively cheap affordable. Where are you? Are unlimited data plans completely unavailable there? Or just expensive? How much does data transfer cost there? (comparison of data cost relative to calls?) Why is this? A teleco monopoly? Why is the situation unlikely to change in the foreseeable? It is not as common in many parts of the world as it is in your part of the world. Great, so enlighten me. Saying please don't assume that everyone has unlimited data plans just makes me think, oooh, look! here's someone as cantankerous as I. If you want me to REMEMBER you when developing my hypothetical ultimate mail client then tell me something memorable about data plans in your country. As the son of Lancastrian blood, I can sympathise with parsimoniousness, but right now Ole's suggestion appears penny- pinching to me, rather than practical prudent economising. Enlighten me otherwise! I always wish to be educated. I expect the IMAP client on my openmoko phone to be able to download all my email for offline reading, deleting, and replying on the bus with *no* internet connectivity, and then sync all those changes seamlessly to the server as soon as I get the next internet connection. I expect that, too. Certainly under my data plan this would be essential for foreign holidays. ... Assuming an always-on connection (as opposed to just taking advantage of one when it is available) is a backwards step. Or insightful and simple forward thinkingness, depending upon your worldview. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call
On 30 Aug 2008, at 11:52, Ole Kliemann wrote: ... I expect the IMAP client on my openmoko phone to be able to download all my email for offline reading, deleting, and replying on the bus with *no* internet connectivity, and then sync all those changes seamlessly to the server as soon as I get the next internet connection. This sounds like a reasonable way to handle it. But the email traffic I have to handle on the road is really rather low volume. My idea of VoIP notification certainly isn't very useful for someone who gets several mails an hour. In this case IMAP-idle or with interval checking is probably better. I was more looking for a way to pass signals to my mobile without having to pay for it. I meant to ask in my previous email: Anyone know what is the overhead of IMAP-idle? (or however interval checking on IMAP works?) Let's I have 50kb of email per day in one email account, 120kb in another. 500kb in another, if you like. How much would it cost (in kb) firstly just to download that over GPRS, and secondly to check for mail every X minutes through the day. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: RFC: delete page USB
On 30 Aug 2008, at 08:29, Michael Shiloh wrote: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB Minimal information is amply duplicated elsewhere, and the list of USB related pages is exactly what the USB category shows. Redirect it to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:USB ? It took me a couple of clicks to find that page, and the OpenMoko wiki is not so fast loading here, hampering searching. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call
On 28 Aug 2008, at 18:03, Ole Kliemann wrote: ... If you have some friends who are willing to use a system like that, then message can be passed with notification within this group for a very low price. I pay 24euro-ct/MB and only for every started 10kb. On the other hand the amount of messages passing through this system will be low. AFAIK to have immediate notification with IMAP you have to either keep a connection open or check for new mails in intervals. Both will cause costs. I thought the standard now was unlimited data plans. My last contract (which included a Sony-E smartphone) just expired this week and I am now on a much cheaper tariff which gives me more minutes which includes unlimited data. UK users: O2 were discounting the price of their 600 minute simplicity plan for the duration of August, but have now extended this deal through September so you have more time left in which to get on it. For £20 this includes unlimited texts and one of the following free bolt-ons: unlimited texts (WTF?), unlimited O2 to O2 Calls, unlimited Web Bolt On, unlimited weekend calls, unlimited landline calls, unlimited Wi-Fi, 200 extra anytime minutes. https:// shop.o2.co.uk/tariffs/simonly You have my sympathies if you're not on an unlimited data plan, Ole, but I would see unlimited data use as the long-term expectation of OpenMoko projects. I think for most people the ideal is to have their IMAP client open an internet connection (via wifi / GPRS) every few minutes check for new mails. I've mentioned a couple of times on this list how well this is handled by the Nokia N95, which has the option (for instance) not to use GPRS when you're on holiday, avoiding roaming charges. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Bug Filing Policy] please read before crate ticket
On 29 Aug 2008, at 11:36, regina wrote: ... when you guys Report please follow below thing otherwise *we will close that ticket immediately.* ... Please Read this first http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ Bug_Filing_Policy It's not much use having a list of requirements without which we will close that ticket immediately, pointing us to a wiki page and then NOTHAVING A LIST OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS ON THAT WIKI PAGE. Also the title less is more on that wiki page doesn't make much sense. Those are sensible requirements in that section, but you want less than that?? And honestly, me too will cause the engineers not to look at the issue? How about i can reproduce this, also? Because if I don't have time to provide more info I will happily add an i can reproduce this, also comment so that you know the bug is not an isolated case. I would have thought that would be useful - not as useful as full terminal output, but at least some help indicating that the original bug report is not a fiction in the mind of a lone nutter. It's probably safe to assume I'll only add an i can reproduce this, also comment if there's only one or two reports of the bug and little follow-up, if the description is the same and if I'm following the same steps to reproduce it, so really providing that same information again isn't beneficial. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: some hardware suggestions
On 29 Aug 2008, at 12:04, Charles Pax wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And please, don't forgot coffee machine too :) Easy. Just find a food place that delivers and takes orders online. Wow, a coffee machine you don't even need to clean. Find a delivery place that takes orders over the phone and you have yourself a a voice-activated system. I am reminded of the SGI `burrito` command - it was all that was necessary, apparently, to send your order to the local food-delivery company via the company's fax server. I believe that `burrito` was aware of the different entrances to or parts of the SGI campus to which you might wish your snack delivered, and of course this must be specified by the user. Defaults were read from the user's .burritorc file, but could be overwritten by flags such as --extra-cheese (or whatever - sorry, we don't have burritos in the UK). Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ASU Illume Tango Theme
On 29 Aug 2008, at 17:36, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: ... Yes for CRT, but how many CRT are there nowadays? :) Darking going OT... :P One of my CRTs died recently and I looked for a TFT replacement. The cheapest that does 1600 x 1200 is £300, and that would leave me with an unmatched pair. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FON login script
On 26 Aug 2008, at 12:55, Yorick Moko wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Fredrik Wendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I've failed to find a way to login to my La Fonera wifi router. wget doesn't support httpS and python is lacking httplib. I guess I could make it work with WPA but that won't help me at work where I need to login to a similar network. ... I log in to my la fonera+ (WPA2 encryption) with mofi works withouth problems or having to make a wpa_sup file... This doesn't help if you want to log into a FON access point away from home. For anyone who doesn't use FON, the idea is that you use one of their routers at home, share your broadband with other fonneras and in return you can use FON access points elsewhere. FON make their money by also allowing purchased subscriptions, for €5 per day or so. When one uses one's home AP one can indeed access using WPA, but the FON hardware offer two virtual APs (see madwifi) and at a remote or public FON access point one connects to the unencrypted wifi network and must enter one's FON username password in an https webpage (or buy credits from FON via PayPal, also https encrypted). So automation of FON logon may best be achieved using, as Fredrik observes, https scripting. Fredrik has also said, Yorick, that your suggestion doesn't help him at work where he has to log on in a similar manner. Best suggestions I can think of are to see if there's an https- enabled (SSL-enabled?) version of curl in the repositories or perhaps a Perl library? Alternatively compile wget or Python httplib yourself using OpenEmbedded. I mentioned before, in a much-ignored post, how impressed I was with the Nokia N95's ability to wake the WLAN / GPRS and check for email if networks were available. Presumably later distros will be able to connect automatically to the 'net when a browser is opened - it would be great if FON were accommodated in this mechanism, although I won't be holding my breath. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
On 24 Aug 2008, at 20:00, Fredrik Wendt wrote: ... I tried to argue with this dude at http://www.vimeo.com/1366042 but pretty soon found out that it was all in vain ... Fuck! There are some retards in that thread. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 29 hours in suspend = 70% battery left
On 22 Aug 2008, at 21:14, Russell Sears wrote: Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Yorick Moko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I presume sound works after suspend? Yep. What about incoming phone calls during suspend? From the original post: On 22 Aug 2008, at 20:38, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: ... After 29 hours I called it and it woke up with 70% battery left. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Windows CE on freerunner
On 22 Aug 2008, at 09:56, Kalle Happonen wrote: Jeff Sadowski wrote: snip the whole reason to buy a freerunner is the fact that they support linux. snip Isn't the whole reason to buy a freerunner, that you are free to do whatever you like with it? :) (the name could give a hint...) You snipped somewhat selectively there. Sure, you're free to install BSD on the Freerunner, too, but installing WindowsCE just removes freedoms again, so why bother? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
On 18 Aug 2008, at 05:49, Flyin_bbb8 wrote: hahahah this guy is really stupid,, check it out.. be sure to check out his comments!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ntUy2eqlk I wrote a really long rebuttal to this video on Reddit, when it first appeared a month ago. The guy who made the video replied, so he is aware of the criticism of his review. You can read his response at http://preview.tinyurl.com/6lqkjq Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
If you're referring to lin2log in the YouTube comments, then I don't think that's the guy who made the video. The video itself shows the name Dave Freyam when it opens, and he posted the video elsewhere about a week before that link was uploaded to YouTube. I don't think Freyam's done a fair review of the Freerunner, but I do credit him with more intelligence than that displayed by lin2log. The comments that I attribute to Freyam seem to mostly have been posted using a nick / username of KirrinDave, and they're at least grammatically correct. From my interaction with Freyam, he seems mostly to be responding to the FSF article which disses the iPhone and offers Openmoko / the Freerunner as a potential alternative. I might speculate that one of Freyam's buddies or office-mate's bought a Freerunner on the basis of this, and he feels short-changed because he wasn't aware of the Freerunner's development status at the time of purchase. To be completely fair to him if you go tot he Openmoko.com online store [1] [2] there's no indication that the Freerunner is anything less than a completed (and fully-polished) product. Stroller. [1] http://www.openmoko.com/product.html [2] http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner On 18 Aug 2008, at 16:19, James Thomas Snell wrote: In the past I wasted far too much time going back and forth with that dude on the YouTube comment system. The thing is - if you read the comments, he's really really trying to provoke people. My initial comment to him was that I actually agreed with a number of the points he made, but felt that his evaluation was flawed in that it failed to asses what the OpenMoko Neo is all about - providing a dev platform. Anyway - his replies were extremely irrational and highly entertaining. I think we can take some good useability pointers away, but keep in mind this dude is out to envoke a response from people so that he can freak out at whatever comments they leave and try to make himself look like a genious. ... hahahah this guy is really stupid,, check it out.. be sure to check out his comments!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ntUy2eqlk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?
On 5 Aug 2008, at 15:55, Stroller wrote: On 5 Aug 2008, at 13:56, Mikael Berthe wrote: I ordered an InvibleShield protection at Zagg.com for my freerunner the 18th of july and have been charged on my credit card but have no news about my order (despite the fact that I sent them emails !!) ... I complained and they suppposedly sent me another one, which I haven't received either (the 2nd one was reshipped on Jully 25th). ... Me, too. An exactly similar experience so far. But I think I will give them a few more days. An update: my order arrived yesterday. It looks like it is the original shipment from 7/7/8 and it arrived on 11/8/8 (European date ordering). This is on the 7-11 business-day shipping, so only 20 or so overdue. I'm sure the delay was not Zagg's fault, but they'd be doing themselves a favour if they gave more conservative estimates on their website. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Fitting full-body InvisibleShield - order of application?
Hi there, I'm sure someone posted a week or two ago a suggestion to do certain sections first when fitting the full-body InvisibleShield, because they said it's easier that way. I _think_ they mentioned that the sides are particularly fiddly and to do them first. Or was it last? I'm knackered if I can find their post now, but if anyone has any suggestions before I proceed to foul it all up I'd be grateful. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS / Wifi
On 11 Aug 2008, at 10:52, arne anka wrote: ... all programs connecting to the net should be absolutely agnostic to the kind of connection you use. What about the mail application? Every 5 minutes it should only check for new messages if you're on your provider's own network, not when you are on holiday in Spain. Thus when your contract's unlimited data use applies you get immediate notification of new emails, yet you don't get stung for $100s in roaming charges. I described how the Nokia N95 handles this in my post of 10 August 2008 13:30:19 BST (search for N95 in the subject) but perhaps not very clearly, as I hoped for more replies. Apparently I wasted too many paragraphs bitching about the Orange build of the Nokia software. But I would LOVE to know how this can be handled on an Openmoko device. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
On 11 Aug 2008, at 08:35, Paul-Valentin Borza wrote: ... There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything you've just seen in the YouTube video. Hi there, I'm slightly disappointed that the shaking inbox wouldn't be accommodated by the gestures you've made available. http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2007/11/shoogle_gives_your_cellphone_b.html This use is even mentioned on the wiki page you link to from your site: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer-based_Gestures A casual search doesn't reveal how your work is supposed to integrate on the device. Presumably it's a library or daemon which is intended to fulfil all gesturing requests from all other apps? Will it be easy to add new gestures? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
On 11 Aug 2008, at 16:12, Daniel Benoy wrote: ... I'm slightly disappointed that the shaking inbox wouldn't be accommodated by the gestures you've made available. http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2007/11/shoogle_gives_your_cellphone_b.html This use is even mentioned on the wiki page you link to from your site: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer-based_Gestures A casual search doesn't reveal how your work is supposed to integrate on the device. Presumably it's a library or daemon which is intended to fulfil all gesturing requests from all other apps? Will it be easy to add new gestures? Stroller. If I'm not mistaken, gestures can be interpreted at the same time that other software (Such as the type you're describing) simultaneously listens to accelerometer data. Doesn't that bring the risk that you're gesturing to do something in one app, and another app is fired up by the gesture daemon (or whatever) because it doesn't know that the gesture wasn't intended for it? Hope this makes sense. ;? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS / Wifi
On 11 Aug 2008, at 16:11, Mike Baroukh wrote: What about the mail application? Every 5 minutes it should only check for new messages if you're on your provider's own network ... I described how the Nokia N95 handles this in my post of 10 August 2008 13:30:19 BST (search for N95 in the subject) but perhaps not very clearly, as I hoped for more replies. Well, I found your post. Effectively, it was pretty ... long ... On 11 Aug 2008, at 16:06, arne anka wrote: ... Apparently I wasted too many paragraphs bitching about the Orange build of the Nokia rather. i gave up after about 50% because everything was about what you didn't like about that n95 .. Thanks for your honest comments, guys. I'll really have to work on this. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
Great! Thanks for the info. This seems to give applications devs lots of potential. Any chance of you adding shakes to the gestures? This would be ideal for the ball bearings in a tin can style of unread email message-count. I was about to say any chance of you adding shaking to the gestures? but after I waving my hand around like an idiot it seems to me that one's natural movement is not to shake with the randomness I initially assumed. Instead, if I wanted to hear quantity of messages in my inbox, I would instinctively shake quickly right- and-returning-leftwards two to four times. This adds the opportunity to shake forward and back a couple of times for number of SMS messages or for battery fullness (I like the Glasgow Uni's idea of using a splashing sound for that). (Just read your subsequent posts - I'm glad to read that gestures can easily be taught to the device. But you also ask for suggested gestures, so I think these above would be useful. I envision them to be made quite rapidly.) Stroller. On 11 Aug 2008, at 17:46, Paul-Valentin Borza wrote: The fact that is currently undocumented is all my fault. Sorry for that - I'll catch up this weekend. Till then, I have to work on the release. Yes, there are 2 daemons, one that processes the gestures and sends signals on dbus, and a listener daemon that listens for gestures and runs the actions for each gesture. I'm slightly disappointed that the shaking inbox wouldn't be accommodated by the gestures you've made available. http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2007/11/shoogle_gives_your_cellphone_b.html ... A casual search doesn't reveal how your work is supposed to integrate on the device. Presumably it's a library or daemon which is intended to fulfil all gesturing requests from all other apps? Will it be easy to add new gestures? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Using a Nokia N95 - features I'd love to see.
-portable - this is the one software feature that I really want Openmoko to provide I'm sorry if I'm not with it, but I've never had a mobile phone that will properly alert me the moment a new email comes in and (especially since vgetty on my home Linux box will answer the phone email an MP3 of an answerphone message to me) it is quite a killer feature for me. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC OpenMoko Bluetooth remote controller - First beta package
On 8 Aug 2008, at 22:34, Valerio Valerio wrote: Question: Would it be possible to emulate the Wii Remote? Yes it would be possible, it some accelerometer work. I have a similar functionality planed yet While requests are being made, it would be quite useful here to have the phone emulate the PS3 remote control. http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/08/sonys-bd-remote-control-for-ps3- reviewed/ I haven't looked closely at how the PS3 remote works. Whether it pretends to be a keyboard or uses some other bluetooth profile (??). The former case would be ideal as I guess it would need only an app showing fast-forward, rewind, play buttons that would sit above your keyboard emulator and pass their presses to it. I guess that'd be outside the scope of your project - not really innovative enough - and so maybe someone in the community would be interested in this. But if a whole different profile is needed then I would love it if you could take a quick look. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?
On 5 Aug 2008, at 19:19, Florian Hackenberger wrote: On Tuesday 05 August 2008, Stroller wrote: Me, too. An exactly similar experience so far. But I think I will give them a few more days. I can recommend giving them a call. It takes a while until they pick up the phone, but they are very kind. They immediately agreed to send a replacement for the lost parcel (no arguing involved). You just need some patience on the phone (it's toll free). They never answered any of my emails though. If you reread my post you'll see that both myself the person I was responding to found ZAGG quite helpful in agreeing to replace the lost InvibleShield - it's just that THE REPLACEMENT HASN'T ARRIVED, EITHER. To be fair to them, the replacement was shipped out only 7 days ago now on 7-11 business-day shipping. I thought it was shipped earlier than that, and got the impression from the poster I quoted that his replacement was also overdue. As I said, I'm still giving ZAGG a few more days, but they do seem to suffer from an unusually high proportion of lost parcels. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?
On 5 Aug 2008, at 13:56, Mikael Berthe wrote: I ordered an InvibleShield protection at Zagg.com for my freerunner the 18th of july and have been charged on my credit card but have no news about my order (despite the fact that I sent them emails !!) I would like to know if any of you had troubles ordering on this web site. Did you receive your order ? I've ordered one too, I haven't received it. I complained and they suppposedly sent me another one, which I haven't received either (the 2nd one was reshipped on Jully 25th). They told me (by email) they were sending them via UPS with no tracking, so there's nothing we can do to check the status :\ Me, too. An exactly similar experience so far. But I think I will give them a few more days. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: firmware Re: IMEI
On 3 Aug 2008, at 20:31, Esben Stien wrote: Learning It [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It means that this project is not totaly open to communityhmmm Really none of the firmware is open. We should be looking at putting GNU Radio inside the Neo;). Has anyone looked into this?. It shouldn't be illegal to sell such a device, cause GNU Radio boards are not illegal. There also is a GSM project related to GNU Radio to do the whole GSM stack in software, to my understanding. Your last sentence surprises me. I don't think a device running GNU Radio (or whatever) would be licensable - it would probably be illegal to sell or use it as a phone. I would think any device sold as a phone would have to be licensed by the FCC or whoever, and that they would make requirements that the device must be unable to do X, Y Z (where these are things that might interfere with other users), which would be impossible to guarantee with fully-open firmware. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM detection/identification. Kismet on Freerunner
On 31 Jul 2008, at 09:31, Ken Restivo wrote: ... Hmm. Has anyone ported Kismet to the OpenMoko yet? ... Since the phone has a built in GPS, it seems like it would be the absolutely ideal Kismet platform, and also for something similar to map cell phone signal strength and coverage. Hi there, I don't think the Freerunner's wifi driver (chip firmware?) will do passive mode. I think you may be able to run Kismet without this, but if so it is MUCH less useful. Also, has anyone created a GSM Kismet, or some kind of tool that will list all carriers and their relative signal strengths. ... With GPRS, it could also upload that coverage data to a public site somewhere and create nice interactive maps. Could be helpful for people choosing which carrier to use: you could see who's got what coverage where in places that you commonly travel to, live in, and work in. I think this idea was suggested a while ago, with some positive responses. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
