Re: Obama --- The Judas Goat
Jonathan Marsaud wrote: Why is it related to OpenMoko Community? *sigh* i suspect its another spam, similar to the earlier one. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
Justyn Butler wrote: 2008/12/18 Michael Zanetti michael_zane...@gmx.net: As It seems this thread is becoming more and more some sort of a whish-list, I will put my 2ct here also: - Please don't add a camera: Has ever anyone made a picture with a mobile phone camera that doesn't suck? Get a real camera if you want to make some nice pictures! There is just one way to get a useful camera within a mobile phone: Using very expensive optical lens and zooming technologies. But in that case, I'd prefer to use the money for a 3G modem which brings me to the next point in my whishlist. I think this is a misunderstanding of the concept of having a camera in a phone. For many people it is the convenience of *always* having a camera on them. Who knows when you need to take a picture? It doesn't matter if the picture sucks - they have a real camera for quality photos. But they don't have it on them all the time. Furthermore, as Raster points out, for some people the better cameraphones actually do suit their needs *well enough* to replace a normal camera (my gf is one of these). There will always be a large group of people for whom this will never be the case, I know. yep, with 3-5 mpixel, image stabilization and some kind of flash (xenon or whatever prefered), phone cameras becomes quite a workable spur of the moment camera. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
On Sunday 23 November 2008 16:59:18 Anton Persson wrote: afaik you CAN indeed... follow this link: http://www.tenonedesign.com/stylus.php On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 1:52 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Less capable in which way? We just saw that you CAN use a stylus with a capacitive screen afaik, you can not. a capacitive screen requires fingers and does not work with styli. the trick is basically to find a material that have the same properties as human flesh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touch_screen#Capacitive ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: armband
On Saturday 22 November 2008 22:49:49 Josh Thompson wrote: Has anyone tried to find an armband for holding your Freerunner while exercising? Comparing dimensions to other devices, it seems closest to an 80GB Zune. So, I'm thinking that might work. I realize I'll probably have to cut at least one hole in it for the headphone jack. Does anyone have a Zune armband they could try sticking their Freerunner in? Any other ideas? could this work? http://www.vat19.com/dvds/freehand-pocket-for-hand.cfm i have the strangest things bookmarked ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03 - buttons or touchscreen
On Saturday 25 October 2008 18:39:18 JW wrote: 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 technically the G1 has a trackball as well, but i got to say, i have a fondness for slideout keyboards. that is, if the buttons are of the right size (those found on the sonyericsson SX1 is a bit small for my taste). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03 - buttons or touchscreen
On Saturday 25 October 2008 19:55:53 Dylan McCall wrote: Something that could be interesting to ponder, with regards to the combo layout, is Sony's keypad add-on. It is designed so that one can run his finger over the keys and use it as a track pad, presumably via some kind of touch sensitive surface. It's a very cool idea and could be a useful control mechanism. This way, the tracker ball thing could be implemented without taking up exra space. and being sony, is probably patented 7 ways to sunday... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Open Linux phone gets datacasts
On Wednesday 10 September 2008 22:08:07 Natanael Arndt wrote: I have just found this: LinuxDevices.com: Open Linux phone gets datacasts (http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6565189083.html) quite a interesting solution. i wonder what else it can be used for (3G maybe?) ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The GTAs
On Saturday 26 July 2008 14:03:08 Mikko Rauhala wrote: la, 2008-07-26 kello 14:53 +0300, Timo Jyrinki kirjoitti: 2.5G = GSM with GPRS 2.75G = GSM with EDGE (=EGPRS) Yeah, but FWIW, the whole G notation especially for fractions should be taken out and shot ;] it serves the same for marketing as megapixels or horsepower. its a simple number that a customer can look at, compare and figure that higher must be better... so, who is up for firebombing some marketing deps? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!
On Wednesday 16 July 2008 21:11:03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another point to be made is just like I can run a brand new cutting edge linux distro on 1990's hardware (some hardware anyway), we can expect current openmoko phones to be supported into the future, even after newer hardware is released. That's part of the beauty of open source. You won't get that kind of support with conventional smartphones. I have older smartphones with software bugs that will never be addressed, because there's simply no money in it for the manufacturer. nor will they allow third parties to continue to support them as that would risk undercutting the sale of their new models... its at those times one see what stallmans message is all about... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 5 reasons to avoid iPhone 3G, Recommends the FreeRunner.
On Saturday 12 July 2008 06:00:48 Dylan Semler wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 9:56 PM, Kelvie Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday, July 11, 2008 19:56:29 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Nigel wrote: http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/5-reasons-to-avoid-iphone-3g/ Thanks for sharing this. Please, to reach more people digg it at: http://digg.com/linux_unix/5_reasons_to_avoid_iPhone_3G Thanks! Or, digg the original at: http://digg.com/linux_unix/5_real_reasons_to_avoid_iPhone_3G I wouldn't want to promote that article too much. It's written like it's complete FUD: it makes outrageous claims and doesn't cite any sources. I myself have a hard time believing two of the five points: * iPhone completely blocks free software. Developers must pay a tax to Apple, who becomes the sole authority over what can and can't be on everyone's phones. I can believe that Apple has authority over some central official repository of software, but do they really prevent people from distributing software independently? If there is no way to get software on the iPhone without going through Apple, how does anyone test their applications before releasing them? If there is a way to distribute software indepentent of Apple, do iPhones check the liscense of the app and completely block free software? this may be informative: http://www.linux.com/feature/131752 * iPhone won't play patent- and DRM-free formats like Ogg Vorbis and Theora. If you can install third-party apps, you can probably install third-party codecs and media players. probably, but as apple acts as the guardian of the gates, they can say exactly what can and cant be allowed. only other option is jailbreak, and i dont know how many wants to risk their warranty doing that. The tone of the article deminishes the credibilty of the auther and it's obvious he's trying to push his agenda. I would argue that this article serves the author at the detriment of the free software movement. It provides him a public avenue to vent about the iPhone while the lies and exaggerations alianate those who don't know or care about free software. A well written article with actual analysis and citations that doesn't resort to slander or exaggeration would do much, much more for the free software movement; for an example, see [1] about Windows Vista. [1] http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html i say the tone is classical FSF... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
hardware keyboard?
http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/07/extndr-concept-turns-the-iphone-into-a-slider-mid ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: hardware keyboard?
On Thursday 10 July 2008 20:14:50 Francesco Cat wrote: And now, tell me how will you be able to use the camera :P heh, i forgot to add a line asking of this could be a idea for the freerunner... as the freerunner have no camera, that will be no problem ;) 2008/7/10 kenneth marken [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/07/extndr-concept-turns-the-iphone-into-a- slider-mid ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB keyboard (was Re: Posible Bluetooth Keyboard)
On Wednesday 09 July 2008 04:38:07 Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Jeremy List [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm think a one-handed keyboard on the back of a freerunner would be a great thing. Frogpad has the disadvantage that it needs a different model depending on what hand you plan to use to type on it: I'm pretty sure I could design something similar that doesn't have that limitation. Several buttons along the edges would be enough - one for each finger and 2 or 3 thumb-buttons, or a rocker for the thumb. You can still come up with enough chords to type, or, just use them as menu-buttons to select word ranges, kindof analogous to Dasher. A long time ago I read about a research project along these lines at Xerox Parc (which actually occurred even longer ago). They were using big round infrared blasters on the ceiling as uplinks into a network, and people were carrying around these pager-sized devices with buttons along the edge (and simple 2-line LCD displays), and you could do 2-way messaging anywhere on campus when one of the IR gateways was within range. But I thought the text input method was the most interesting aspect of it. You only need several buttons to do it, so it can be ergonomic if the buttons are shaped nicely and are kindof firm (your fingers stay on the same buttons all the time, you just press them in different patterns). And it would be very cheap to implement. The thumb buttons could be used for something else in the word-entry mode, but there could also be an alphanumeric chording mode (like the Bat keyboard). I think this was done long enough ago that if there were any patents, they probably expired by now. If there were a keyboard on the back, how could you hold the phone and at the same time press keys on the back? But you could hold it by the edges and push buttons along the edges at the same time. now thats a interesting tought. and with the freerunners ability to make use of usb as a host, it could maybe power something like this: http://www.vuzix.com/iwear/products_vr920.html it could be fun if a freerunner housing came with such a cording setup, and a training app for people to get used to it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth Headset compatible to Freerunner?
On Tuesday 01 July 2008 10:00:23 arne anka wrote: I use the SE HBH-DS980 (http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/hbh-ds980? cc=gblc=en) the earplugs are hardwired, no 3.5 jack, i presume? try this then: http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/hbh-ds205?cc=gblc=en ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth Headset compatible to Freerunner?
On Tuesday 01 July 2008 07:09:06 Vinc Duran wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Kyle Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 30 June 2008 14:10:23 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, I've a questition and I hope that someone could help me: I'm searching for a bluetooth headset with 2 ears and 1 mic that I can connect to the Freerunner, so I can hear music...and if a call comes in, I press a button (at the headset or at the neo, that doesn't matter) and then I can hear the other person over the headset and speak with him/her over the mic of the headset. Is that possible? Where can I find such headsets? With kindly regards Steffen I use the SE HBH-DS980 ( http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/hbh-ds980?cc= gblc=en ) and it's fantastic. Awesome sound, great clarity, much shinyness, and only wires from the bluetooth unit to the ears. It uses A2DP, does magic address book stuff, and will quietly interrupt music to take a call. I'm praying that the FreeRunner supports A2DP so I can use the headset as I'm used to :-) Cheers Kyle -- Kyle Gordon - 2M1DIQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lodge.glasgownet.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Magic address book stuff? Does that mean it announces the calling party? I love my JawBone http://www.jawbone.com but I have to look at my phone to see who's calling. i think its as sonyerricson only feature or something. its the same thing they use on their watches: http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/mbw-150classicedition?cc=gblc=en where if its paired up with a recent sonyericsson phone, it can display the number (or name if stored in the phones contacts) of whoever is calling. i dont recall this being part of the official bluetooth spec at any point... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth Headset compatible to Freerunner?
On Tuesday 01 July 2008 22:09:27 Brad Midgley wrote: kenneth where if its paired up with a recent sonyericsson phone, it can display the number (or name if stored in the phones contacts) of whoever is calling. i dont recall this being part of the official bluetooth spec at any point... this is in the handsfree spec. they call it calling line identification the headset has to send an AT+CLIP to tell the handset to send the info with the ring message. and as not many headsets come with a display, im guessing a lot of handsets just dont bother implementing support for that part of the spec? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Let us impact the material world
On Saturday 28 June 2008 00:40:44 Nelson Castillo wrote: I am in Columbia. Drinking local coffee (yes Paola your coffee is thebest in the world) and thinking with the early morning clarity only those blessed with jag-lag can understand. Sean, I'm _really_ glad you enjoyed our Colombian Coffee, our food, and I hope you can keep in touch with the spirits that live in our landscapes. I'm sure that those spirits are friends of the spirit that lives in the computer [1]. [1] (I really like what Alan Perlis said) http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/sicp/book/book.html Start with things people are familiar with and find new ways to make them more qualitative, says Offray. Take SMS, he continues, instead of just plain text, why not send special compressed messages, readable only by Neos. We can use these as enablers to change mobile ecosystems. Hack their network to embed more freedoms for normal people. Add more meaning. Transform our Neo into an artifact. I think encrypted messages are crucial for freedom. I also think most people don't know how easy it is for others to see what they send through the networks. I cannot wait to see those Encrypted messages traveling free through _their_ networks to deliver _our_ messages. Regards, Nelson.- (one very excited (amateur ^ 3)) i suspect that until one stick a computer on every lamp post in the world, with a text to speech program that spills out every clear text message sendt so that it can pick it up, people wont take notice. they understand putting letters in envelopes, because thats something they can see. but until you show them a packet sniffer, and explain that this can be used on any part of that messages journey, they will not understand it for electronic media. hell, i wish that mail apps would come with a standard system for signing and encryption. that would at least be a start. as long as people have to install third party apps to get that feature, it will not be used... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 23:19:54 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: On 6/10/08, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] the two smart phones are aprox equal on -- wi-fi But with limited usability on iPhone -- accelerometer But with limited usability on iPhone -- bluetooth But with limited usability on iPhone E.g. you cannot use VoIP with iPhone, etc, etc well it can, or at least apple wont stop people from putting a voip app in the appstore. but it has to stay away from the gsm/umts part, it can only use wifi... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 23:42:30 Robin Paulson wrote: 2008/6/10 Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [I trust this will not initiate a flame war.] Please? iPhone v2 announced today. I'd like to understand on a hardware basis ONLY (I grok the value of free and open source) how does the entry level $199 iPhone with 4GB compare with Freerunner GTA02. where I get lost is how much RAM iPhone has vs Freerunner. I realize I can buy i remember reading somewhere that the iphone's os can't run multiple applications at once - sorry no source for this. did i get this right, if i did, that's a major bonus to om/freerunner? in theory the os can multitask. its basically a variant of the bsd kernel and so on used in osx. jailbreaked current gen iphones multitask. but apple have but a limit on sdk based apps, claiming battery life reasons. instead, if one wants to liten for im traffic or similar, one sign up with a apple messaging server that will pass this on to the individual phone, kinda like a push mail service. so for a im client it will be: im network interface at app makers place - apple message server - iphone, where it will show up as one of 3 kinds of onscreen messages. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Do we REALLY need a phone?
On Sunday 20 April 2008 14:23:26 Stefano Cavallari wrote: You can potentially use less bandwidth if you choose more intelligent codecs. And yes I'm for paying actual bandwidth for mobile Internet. The Internet doesn't mean necessarily broadband and flat prices. And remember that IM is way more efficient (both from the human and the hw point of view) and cheap than VoIP, so many people would just switch to IM. It's because of absurd SMS costs and size limits that few uses them. my impression is that sms is used far more then phone calls here in norway for quick and simple communications. im systems have the problem that they are just that, systems. sure, one could use jabber as a glue, but most of my contacts are on msn, not jabber. and in other parts of the world its aol and yahoo messenger that counts. same deal with voip systems. the most popular is skype, but thats a closed system. as in, the only client that can access it is the official, closed source client. so when going from current systems to voip and im (and current voip clients can often double as voip clients, or the other way round) your just pushing the abstraction back a step. oh, and isnt the 4G LTE system thats supposed to take over for UMTS at some point in the future planned as a IP based system? as in, any voice calls performed will be done via voip anyways. its just that the handsets and the network operators have agreed on a common standard. question is, will said voip standard be implementable in open source ways. or are the controls required by the telcos so stringent (for fear of someone finding a way to shut the system down) that only big corps can do it in a black box fashion? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Do we REALLY need a phone?
On Sunday 20 April 2008 15:14:58 ramsesoriginal wrote: On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 2:51 PM, kenneth marken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 20 April 2008 14:23:26 Stefano Cavallari wrote: You can potentially use less bandwidth if you choose more intelligent codecs. And yes I'm for paying actual bandwidth for mobile Internet. The Internet doesn't mean necessarily broadband and flat prices. And remember that IM is way more efficient (both from the human and the hw point of view) and cheap than VoIP, so many people would just switch to IM. It's because of absurd SMS costs and size limits that few uses them. my impression is that sms is used far more then phone calls here in norway for quick and simple communications. As far as I can see it, sms is way more used then calling in the private field, but calling is more used in the buisness field. i guess it depends on how high priority the communication has in the senders mind. sms is very much a when you have time kind of system. im steps it up a notch via its presence system. and a phone call is very much a drop everything else, NOW! way of communicating. im systems have the problem that they are just that, systems. sure, one could use jabber as a glue, but most of my contacts are on msn, not jabber. and in other parts of the world its aol and yahoo messenger that counts. XMPP (ex Jabber) [1] gives the possibity through so-called gateways to talk to other services. I for example talk through jabber to my friends in icq, in msn and in yahoo talk. But, like the article says, xmpp has even the possibility to combine im and sms. Having such a system on a phone shure makes sms obsolete. same deal with voip systems. the most popular is skype, but thats a closed system. as in, the only client that can access it is the official, closed source client. That's really true. And sad. But a system like the one used by XMPP, just in the voip field (I think even XMPP is going that way), would really make the pstn obsolete. And even more: voip has often the possibility to make calls to pstn and recive calls from it: so if a phone is equipped with a gien voip system fine, else you simply call the pstn network through the voip system. ah yes. i forgot about all that. and yes, it would be quite the solution. now that i think about it i have been pondering converting email into xmpp, given the recent interest in push email and all that... as in, why use multiple protocols when one can use one? so when going from current systems to voip and im (and current voip clients can often double as voip clients, or the other way round) your just pushing the abstraction back a step. oh, and isnt the 4G LTE system thats supposed to take over for UMTS at some point in the future planned as a IP based system? as in, any voice calls performed will be done via voip anyways. its just that the handsets and the network operators have agreed on a common standard. I don't know about this, but it sounds intresting.. indeed. but i cant say i have kept up to speed on recent developments. this is only something i picked up from wikipedia and similar sources, so... question is, will said voip standard be implementable in open source ways. or are the controls required by the telcos so stringent (for fear of someone finding a way to shut the system down) that only big corps can do it in a black box fashion? That's often the question, and if companies like OpenMoko become known, the possibility of having an Open Source implementation also grow. I also would say that I don't know about Stefano, but i thought of this as a modular system when I read this mail: If you feel the need for gsm you put in the gsm module, if you think oyu need 4g you put in that chip, and if you think you need something else, then simply use something else. Doing this way you, for know, you simply creatre the gsm module. Then you create some 4g module, and people can buy it, upgrade their phone, put it in a new barebone system, or whatever they want. Having a modular approach gives true freedome, in my opinion hmm, pcmcia or expresscard? i recall early ipaq pdas had a sleeve for those kinds of addons that allowed the humble pda to access wifi and gsm networks. added quite a bit of bulk tho. and was not a similar sleeve system bounced around for the neo? primarily for use with wifi? [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMPP ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see
On Tuesday 04 March 2008 21:28:11 Jeff Andros wrote: On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Thufir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:23:07 +0100, kenneth marken wrote: like pidgin for im support of any kind. Now *that* is a cool idea :) probably not pidgin itself, it's not set up for a full screen display... but libpurple is the engine behind pidgin, all that's needed is a custom front-end Personally, I'd like to see a plugin for pidgin that turns it into an IM proxy... the NEO would connect in to my system here and use pidgin on it... that way I have unified logs, a single place to sign in, etc well, i guess one option would be a xmpp server... but i dont know about server side logs... i have been mentally toying with turning xmpp into a kind of mail server... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: iPhone Acquired!
On Wednesday 05 March 2008 00:08:02 ian douglas wrote: If I recall, the iPhone is a 3G phone, but only uses EDGE on 3G, the slowest speed. I have a friend with an iPhone, I'll ask if I can borrow his SIM to see if it'll connect to ATT on my Neo later this week. i would not call EDGE 3G. it is a improvement on the GRPS system, that again is built on top of GSM. 3G in that case would be UMTS, and maybe HSDPA or HDUPA. most phones that do UMTS also do GSM, and can do handovers between both networks on a call or data connection iirc. -id Michael Shiloh wrote: Do you have an ATT SIM card? Does it work with your iPhone? (I know you said you didn't get an ATT contract.) I'd be very interested in whether that SIM card works in a Neo. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see
so one could set up a xmpp server at home, turn on server side logging and some transports to other networks as needed, and then just have a xmpp client on the neo that connects to it? or have google done some kind of custom mod for their xmpp server to get this to work? would be nice if the logs showed up in a imap connection ;) hmm, a imap/xmpp bridge, now thats a thought. On Wednesday 05 March 2008 00:22:56 Ivo Anjo wrote: When you use google as a jabber/xmpp server, you can enable server-side logs (they show up on the gmail interface). With settings, you can always user jabber and transports for other IM services, so that with one log in you get into all of them. As for logs, maybe the easiest way is to just write a simple app that gets them from the neo and merges them with the ones on your pc, shouldn't be that hard. Ivo Anjo On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:23 PM, kenneth marken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 04 March 2008 21:28:11 Jeff Andros wrote: On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Thufir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:23:07 +0100, kenneth marken wrote: like pidgin for im support of any kind. Now *that* is a cool idea :) probably not pidgin itself, it's not set up for a full screen display... but libpurple is the engine behind pidgin, all that's needed is a custom front-end Personally, I'd like to see a plugin for pidgin that turns it into an IM proxy... the NEO would connect in to my system here and use pidgin on it... that way I have unified logs, a single place to sign in, etc well, i guess one option would be a xmpp server... but i dont know about server side logs... i have been mentally toying with turning xmpp into a kind of mail server... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: iPhone Acquired!
On Wednesday 05 March 2008 01:28:03 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: kenneth marken ha scritto: On Wednesday 05 March 2008 00:08:02 ian douglas wrote: If I recall, the iPhone is a 3G phone, but only uses EDGE on 3G, the slowest speed. I have a friend with an iPhone, I'll ask if I can borrow his SIM to see if it'll connect to ATT on my Neo later this week. i would not call EDGE 3G. it is a improvement on the GRPS system, that again is built on top of GSM. In fact, generally, it's called 2.5G :P true, but i kinda dislike those G designations as the are very non-informative. i keep seeing the local press refering to hsdpa as super-3G, but thats not given. as such, its much better to read the actual product specs as they at least list the proper designations. and just to deliver a small kick towards apple, thats why i hate hearing about their superdrive. hell, even their refreshing of products throw in a wrench at times. sure someone is using a macbook pro, but what generation macbook pro?! but then im a geek. to most the under-the-hood stuff will fly by them at mach 16. they just want their gizmo to do what they ask of it without fail or hickups. i guess its the same thing with cars. some love to talk about CCM's, torque and all that, while others just want it to drive them flawlessly from a to b, and look good while doing so. i just wish that computer stats where as fashionable as car stats... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see
On Monday 03 March 2008 13:44:53 Breakable wrote: Hello there, I found this link in Google news. Its a list of applications users might want for iPhone. http://www.macworld.com/article/132322/2008/03/iphoneapps.html I think by replacing iPhone with OpenMoko we would not make a big mistake. Regards, Ignas heh, i suspect that many of those are in the works or will show up as the openmoko phones start to spread out. some of those can even be done by ports of existing software, like pidgin for im support of any kind. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FAX2PDF with OpenMoko?
On Tuesday 26 February 2008 17:46:28 Tilman Baumann wrote: Nils Faerber wrote: Ricky Fitz schrieb: Hi, I just had the idea that it would be nice, to make OpenMoko to act as a fax-receiver, convert the fax to PDF and do somethin' with it. Is this possible, already implemented, or is software out there which can be used on the Neo/Freerunner to do that? Depends largely on the modem, i.e. if it can handle analog incoming fax transmissions. The rest should be quite easy. There are a lot of utilities around to receive a G3 fax from a modem (like mgetty-sendfax) and to convert the resulting G3 into something more useful, like PNG or even PDF. Never ever will a GSM module be a G3 Fax. (IMHO) And everything else is just hell. Fax and software don't go well together. I don't thing this idea has potential. Out source the problem to any fax provider and let others feel the pain. Fax is dead. yep, instead one should start to see printers with a built in mailing system so that one could assign a mail address to it, and have it auto-print said mail, complete with attachments of it came in pdf or odf... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FAX2PDF with OpenMoko?
On Tuesday 26 February 2008 18:12:47 Nick Guenther wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 12:02 PM, kenneth marken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 26 February 2008 17:46:28 Tilman Baumann wrote: Nils Faerber wrote: Fax is dead. yep, instead one should start to see printers with a built in mailing system so that one could assign a mail address to it, and have it auto-print said mail, complete with attachments of it came in pdf or odf... Or you know.. we could just use email, like we already do, and save the paper. -Nick sadly, some places old fashion ink on paper is needed to verify a contract or similar... but yes, if one could have a eink email terminal that could could last 12+ hours on a charge... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FAX2PDF with OpenMoko?
On Tuesday 26 February 2008 18:40:58 Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Nick Guenther writes: On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 12:02 PM, kenneth marken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 26 February 2008 17:46:28 Tilman Baumann wrote: Nils Faerber wrote: Fax is dead. yep, instead one should start to see printers with a built in mailing system so that one could assign a mail address to it, and have it auto-print said mail, complete with attachments of it came in pdf or odf... Or you know.. we could just use email, like we already do, and save the paper. I seem to recall having seen a scanner that does the much-more-useful other direction: scan a document and it sends it in (some format I don't remember) as an email. heh, i would hazard a guess that it was as a jpg contained in a pdf or something similar... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FAX2PDF with OpenMoko?
On Tuesday 26 February 2008 19:31:38 Steven Kurylo wrote: yep, instead one should start to see printers with a built in mailing system so that one could assign a mail address to it, and have it auto-print said mail, complete with attachments of it came in pdf or odf... I thought they all did these days. I haven't seen a new copier at an office in the last several years that didn't support printing received email (SMTP, POP, IMAP) and emailing (SMTP) anything it scanned. guess it goes to show that im not really up to speed with current office equipment... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How Alice and Bob got telephone/SMS spam on their Moko.
On Monday 25 February 2008 22:39:04 ian douglas wrote: Being able to do this within OpenMoko would be pretty slick too, though you won't really gain anything by marking SMS messages as spam -- you're still paying for the incoming message whether to tag it as spam or not, you'd only have the ability to place it within a 'spam' folder to review later. not every nation have operators that charge you for incoming sms ;) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
On Saturday 12 January 2008 07:26:18 Ted Lemon wrote: On Jan 11, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Lon Lentz wrote: I read the not so happy comments following the Gizmodo article. A lot of those comments have been made here on this list. Like the repeated ones about the boot scroll being visible. I thought that was weird. The boot scroll is one of my favorite parts! imo its a much better feature then looking at a boot graphic that never stops looping and wonder why it does not... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
On Friday 11 January 2008 23:20:51 Lon Lentz wrote: I would recommend everyone go read Wired's article on the story of the iPhone development. Read about how well their prototype did. Hint: The iPhone didn't magically appear as a finished project out of thin air by shear will power. The power of Marketing is strong, but not that strong. while a interesting read, i get a feel that apple is just uncle jobs and some faceless engineers doing the dirty work after he have done all the planing... hoovers g-men anyone? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What to use while waiting of v2?
On Sunday 16 December 2007 19:34:48 David Pottage wrote: Ben wrote: I can't hold out any longer. I need a PDA that will work as reliably as possble, have a few options for easy automatic sync (with Mac or Linux) or at least automatic backup. I will be using it to implement GTD (Getting Things Done). Phone not essential. I don't need it to be open, non-evil, etc. I just need it's shortcomings to be outweighed by the ease of backup and sync it has over a Hipster PDA (Notebook and Pen). Nokia N800 or N810? Both are Linux PDA web tablet like devices, running linux, (and I think GTK), so depending on your view of Nokia, they are fairly open and non-evil. They don't have a Cellular interface though, so the only way they can be used for phone calls is via Skype or another VoIP service when you are near a Wi-Fi hotspot. The N810, which was announced recently and may not be available yet, has a slide out keyboard and a GPS, otherwise it is similar to the N800. They are remarkably small, more like a large smartphone than a PDA. I work for Nokia, (but not in device development) BTW, so you may wish to take my views with some salt. im not sure one can call the N8x0 series for PDA's. sure one can install GPE apps to get calendar and that stuff, but it does not come pr default. also, sync isnt exactly a simple issue... ok, so another option is the recent open beta garnetvm from access, that allows one to run palmos related software on the devices. but as said, its beta, and as of right now i dont think it makes anywhere close to full use of the screen... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: openmoko on the Nokia N810
On Sunday 11 November 2007 14:21:07 Edwin Lock wrote: If anyone gets openmoko to run on a nokia 770 tablet, please let me know, that would be so cool! Just to test OM and not having to use maemo all the time :) hell, if one get a nice browser going and maybe a calendar sync, it can breath new life into that device ;) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
On Thursday 08 November 2007 16:44:45 Randall Mason wrote: iPhone doesn't have GPS, so how does that fit your mythical project? GPS works in the US. It is a US invention. It is owned by the US. It is run by the US. We donate it to the world. Why would it not work in the US? It works EVERYWHERE, that's why it's called Global Positioning System. donated, under the condition that you (as in the nation) have the sole right to turn it of at any time. lets never forget, its a military system, designed to guide weapons and soldiers. that its being used for civilian uses are a afterthought more then anything else. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
highly offtopic but oh so fun :D
http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20071108 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: i'm going to lose my neo....
On Friday 09 November 2007 00:15:09 AVee wrote: On Thursday 08 November 2007 23:45, andy selby wrote: what i would like is a (v. small) device that i can carry in my wallet, or somewhere, that sounds a reminder (on the phone, or external device) when it moves out of range. How about hacking a bluetooth dongle to sound an alarm when the thing is out of range of its paired device (the neo), but you may forget that aswell You could turn that around i guess, program the neo to make a lot of noise when it looses the paired device. I guess you stand a good chance of still being within hearing distance. thats basically the approach that sonyericsson took with their bluetooth watch. if said watch lost contact with the phone, it would vibrate to tell the wearer about it. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Clarify openmoko != Neo1973
On Saturday 25 August 2007 08:48:46 Jay Vaughan wrote: The only problem I have with the openmoko brand is that it clearly wasn't designed to take Spanish language users into account. Moko means booger. The hardened snot you find in some little kids nose. i dont think this is the first time a brand have run into trouble with the spanish language... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: another linux platform platform
On Thursday 26 July 2007 17:23:02 Tim Newsom wrote: I just noticed this: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5539544742.html They claim to have many of the features we have talked about on the list... however, I am wondering about the pending patent related to placing security in the bootloader for signature checking of a boot image. Does anyone know if this is available GPL or if they have somehow managed to get around all of that? i think the issue here is a kind of crossroads. at the one hand open source people want to thinker with as much as possible of a device. but at the other hand, every nation that have at least some form of working government wants some control over whats going on across the EM spectrum. therefor one need a way to verify that a device complies with the regulations. one way to do that is by signing the software so that only if it comes from a known good source, its allowed to be used. another, used by fic in the neo, is to embedd the stuff that generates the EM waves inside a chip that cant be reprogramed. as long as the linux kernel and all the other code used is under GPL2, there will not be a problem with this. but if some of its under GPL3, they either have to look for alternatives, or drop this function. thats one potential problem with the FSF, it attacks the act of signing, no matter why its being used. with tivo its used to enable the content producers control of their products. but on a phone its just as much about being able to use them at all. because a EM emitter is also a jammer, and can potentially block all other uses of a frequency if its not behaving. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 700Mhz Spectrum
On Sunday 22 July 2007 06:16:35 Mischa Beitz wrote: Dean et al., I had a very similar reaction to the 700MHz auction debate. It seems like a potentially incredible opportunity for openmoko, asterisk or any number of open platform wireless tech. The FCC is mandated by Congress to get this auction done quickly, but don't hold your breath; ATT and other members of the telco/cable duopoly in broadband provision aren't going to sit by and let Google dictate auction terms to the FCC. Nevertheless, couldn't hurt to ask Google (and other potential auction winners) what they're going to do with it and how, if they get it. It'll happen awfully fast and it'd be great to see OpenMoko on top of things IF the FCC accepts some Open Access requirements for the spectrum. for some reason im not expecting that to happen (the open access thingy). also, even if it happens. this is only the usa. ok so its a big market, but does anyone know what that area of frequency is used for in other nations? will a device that have the ability to transmitt on said frequency risk being illegal in other parts of the world? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: iPhone has built in spyware module?
On Wednesday 18 July 2007 21:54:05 Giles Jones wrote: On 18 Jul 2007, at 20:38, Sander van Grieken wrote: Worrying news, if this rumour is confirmed, although it might be positive PR for open phones.. http://vsiphone.blogspot.com/2007/07/iphone-has-built-in-spyware- module.html It might just be a backup function. When you sign up for .Mac when you buy an Apple Mac you get the option to backup all your settings to a server. same thought here. i smell some kind of online backup function. question is, can someone use it to drain a iphone for info? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NTT-NoGoMoKo in Japan, plus falling back
On Sunday 08 July 2007 21:24:50 Mikko Rauhala wrote: su, 2007-07-08 kello 12:00 -0700, Tim Newsom kirjoitti: Um... Japan does have GSM service... I am positive as I recently had guests in my house from japan. They brought their cell phones and I showed them how to make them work in the US. Means nothing. Their phones may be GSM-capable spesifically to work overseas. All of my info says that there's no GSM in Japan, but I haven't rechecked recently i kinda recall hearing about being able to get gsm phones for when traveling abroad or maybe dual mode phones. but then i also kinda recall a neighbour going to japan and being able to use his gsm phone there so... Does EDGE fall back to gprs? Does 3G fall back to EDGE or GPRS if the phone doesn't support it? Given a phone that supports all of the following, HSDPA will fall back to plain old UMTS will fall back to EDGE will fall back to GPRS, and may even fall back to gsm data streams if gprs isnt working or available. have happened to people in my family. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NTT-NoGoMoKo in Japan, plus falling back
On Sunday 08 July 2007 23:11:01 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: Many countries uses 3G. In Norway we use UMTS (and I think they use UMTS in the rest of Europe), while in the US you use CDMA. there is one operator in norway that use CDMA. mainly for internet on the go, but they have been saying that they will release a phone for ages now. On 7/8/07, Tim Newsom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You misunderstand... What I meant was Is 3G backward compatible for data with previous formats. Plus, i thought that only the US had any kind of cell company which uses cdma. I am quite surprised by that as I thought most if not all other countries used GSM. /shrug. On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:55, Mikko Rauhala wrote: su, 2007-07-08 kello 12:00 -0700, Tim Newsom kirjoitti: Um... Japan does have GSM service... I am positive as I recently had guests in my house from japan. They brought their cell phones and I showed them how to make them work in the US. Means nothing. Their phones may be GSM-capable spesifically to work overseas. All of my info says that there's no GSM in Japan, but I haven't rechecked recently Does EDGE fall back to gprs? Does 3G fall back to EDGE or GPRS if the phone doesn't support it? Given a phone that supports all of the following, HSDPA will fall back to plain old UMTS will fall back to EDGE will fall back to GPRS, according to network availability. Japan, on the other hand, uses their own types of (W)CDMA networks. 3G falling back to EDGE or GPRS if the _phone_ doesn't support it is rather nonsensical notion. If a phone is a GSM phone, it will work in a GSM network. It will not work in a 3G network, so there's nothing to fall back _from_. -- Mikko Rauhala - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - URL:http://www.iki.fi/mjr/ Transhumanist - WTA member - URL:http://www.transhumanism.org/ Singularitarian - SIAI supporter - URL:http://www.singinst.org/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community --Tim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Brainstorm: less functionality per device, more devices
On Tuesday 03 July 2007 10:31:03 Jonas Meyer wrote: I just recently got my first bluetooth headset. This is only relevant because it got me thinking. The typical cell phone (including the Neo) is built upon the idea of putting as much functionality as possible into one device. And manufacturers have gotten very good at this. What if one took the UNIX approach to hardware development. Instead of monolithic do-everything devices, create many single purpose devices that do their jobs very well, and can be chained together. This approach has some advantages: 1) Easier (and cheaper) to upgrade. Need more processing power? Add another or a smarter cpu pebble. Need gps? Add a gps pebble. Need storage, add a storage pebble. Need a camera, add a camera earring or watch or ring. 2) Cheaper initial investment. A basic phone could be a headset, a gsm transmitter, and little tablet UI device. 3 (or maybe you stick the gsm transmitter in the ui, so 2) little cheap devices that can be sold for tens, rather than hundreds of dollars. However, as a consumer desires more functionality, they buy more devices. 3) Carry only the functionality you need. Are you going clubbing? Probably won't need that gps unit, or the media player. Heading out to the woods? Ditch the second cpu, but grab an extra battery. 4) Interoperability. By opening the standard up to many manufacturers, a more robust ecosystem is created, and the entire platform improves. Disadvantages: 1) More items to lose. Perhaps they could snap together, like legos, or be carried in some sort of bag all together? 2) Intra device bandwidth is at a premium. Bluetooth 3.0 is probably necessary if you want to keep your storage in a separate device from your cpu or your ui. This in turn creates extra demands on batteries. Again, perhaps a standard snap together interface can carry power and data. 3) Potential incompatibilities. Different devices might not speak the same protocol, even if they are supposed to. This can be disastrous when your cpu is not from the same company as your storage. 4) Potential security risks. Running all that data over the air means it is easier to read it, in the event that your encryption fails. And since encryption is likely to be run off a chip, rather than a more general purpose cpu, security holes are more difficult to fix. 5) Harder to write the software. Obviously, this makes your OS about 1000% more complicated. Anyway, it seems like it COULD be an interesting sort of thing to try. sorry for the late reply (been away from a computer for about a week now) but i belive a similar concept was proposed by motorola when bluetooth was first launched by ericsson. they even got a mockup going by frog design: http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/moto_wearables/ never did happen as the bluetooth hype crested, just like the internet bubble of the 90's... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openness (was RE: Concern for usability and ergonomics)
Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Milan Votava writes: You are all going to become slaves of capitalists (Sean on behalf of FIC). Better to support guys from xda-developers.com (like cr2) to make machines like HTC Universal a real free phones Better to work on a machine in spite of the manufacturer rather than with the manufacturer? I don't follow. The day FIC wants me to sign an NDA or claims ownership of my code, I'll agree with the slaves of capitalists comment. I don't see any prospect of that happening. im guessing its something like: better to have a device out there in the hands of people that you can free, then a device with high hopes that never shows up in many hands. or whatever... to me it sounds like a donkey chasing a carrot on a stick. the stick will always be just out of reach. unlike the PC market, where commodity parts are everywhere, and if you dont like what dell, HP and other sell preassembled you can do your own, the mobile market is about locked down devices that, after its made, cant change no matter what. hell, my guess is that by the time xda-developers.org is done, HTC have a new and better device out that people will flock to. one that the xda firmware cant work on, or at best will have some nasty flaws. and so the cycle starts again. at best one is squeezing a couple of extra years out of a obsolete device. but the neo seems to be designed from day one to be made from virtually of the shelf parts. FIC is just the hired factory (like how apple do for their stuff or microsoft does for the xbox's), they hold no copyright or patent on the neo iirc. so if FIC comes up short, one can take the parts and find some other factory willing to have a go at it. until we get home assembly kits for mobiles, thats the second best option. hell, it got a usb port that can run in host mode. can someone point me to a windows smartphone that have a similar option? it means that with the right drivers one can plug virtually any usb device into the neo and have it work. sounds to me like it can be molded into doing a lot of things. maybe if one could get it to charge of a solar cell it can act as a mobile modem for usb connected sensor ecquipment or similar. but in the end i dont care what hardware it runs on as long as it has a code core thats open to anyone to modify after their liking. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiimote, I2C Neo
Florent THIERY wrote: In other terms: we could potentially use any Wiimote accessory on a Neo... A nunchunk has a 3 axis accelerometer, joystick and buttons, for instance (for a mere 20$). What are the upcoming wii accessories? :) or how about going the other way, using the upcoming neo variant as a wiimote replacement? ;) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Asus Eee - interesting companion for the Neo1973
Sven Neuhaus wrote: Interesting device: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9292516116.html http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=7317 It's dirt cheap and it looks like a nice companion to the Neo1973 to have a keyboard for text input and a larger screen. You need a GTA02 unit so they can communicate via WLAN, looks like the Eee-PC won't have Bluetooth. companion? makes me think of the palm foleo ;) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Seamless switching from gprs to wifi calling
mathew davis wrote: Dear community, I am not sure if this is a widely known thing or not, but I just found out about it and had some questions about this working on the neo. T-mobile has hotspots all around my area, but have been experimenting with a new service called T-mobile HotSpot @Home. It uses a UMA (unlicensed mobile access) technology to allow phones to switch from cellular connection to Wi-Fi connection. And also makes it possible for VoIP calls. So this is something that is very interesting to me only I would like it to be a little different, I don't want to use T-Mobile's service I would like to use my Wi-Fi connection to my VoIP of choice. I know this has been talked about before with some options including an Astrex box forwarding the call to your cellphone until your in range then switching to Wi-Fi but that was not a very seamless transistion from my understanding. So I guess my question is could we impliment a UMA type of technology for the neo that is customizable to use our VoIP provider? Or since that particular part is locked we wouldn't have access to that part? Just curious. When I get the phone I will be playing with trying to find a solution to this problem. I have very limited knowlege about this kind of thing. I am not an experianced programmer yet. I only have about 3 yers of indestry experiance, but none of that is mobile development and almost none of it is linux related, so I have a bit of a learnign curve so that is why I am asking the question here. while not fully up to speed on how it all works, here is my quick take on it: as long as its a voip connection, and said voip service allows two ip's to share a account and call, there should be little to no problem having both a wifi and gprs connection open at the same time as one moves about (in my experience a gprs connection can be held open but not used). hell, one may even use bluetooth if it can handle the data transfer. the problem here is that ip thing. UMA has a normal mobile phone connections as one option so therefor dont have to think about multiple ip's. it just need to have a internet connected cell so to speak, and only hand the call over when the ip based connection is fully in place. however im guessing there are some issues with going between two wifi zones/networks or something similar... so mostly you need a voip service that allows you to log in from another ip without booting the old connection off or hanging up any calls. after that its mostly a case of the client software figuring out what of the two connections to send on. or maybe just send on both, expecting the service to throw away the data thats a duplicate. something that i think is a basic feature in mobile phone systems. one funny thing is that if your using voip, and have a flat rate data plan for your mobile phone, there is no need to go wifi anyways as the mobile data connection will probably be more reliable given that its already built to do what one is trying to make the wifi system do (handover, multiple connections and overlapping zones). ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Iphone 3rd party development allowed...
Todd W wrote: From: Tim Newsom [EMAIL PROTECTED] So apparently Jobs decided to allow 3rd party software on the phone after all... Interesting development. Yes, but how are they going to _support_ it? or for that matter, how many hoops do you have to jump thru to get your app onto the phone? i belive jobs at one time used the word simple to talk about the kind of apps one would be allowed to make (or move from osx to the phone iirc). so for all we know they are planing to make one able to create something similar to dashboard widgets but not much else. i just cant shake the feeling that the iphone will be a highly controlled environment, with apple as the guardian. hell, they have partnered up with ATT. and isnt mobile operators in the US notorious for locking down what phones can or cant do? i recall reading about bluetooth file transfer being removed and similar so that one had to use their network to transfer data to and from the phone and similar. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo1973 Update!
Phase 2 (GTA-02) will feature: -a 2D/3D-Graphics Accelerator -256MByte of Flash Memory -WiFi -updated battery: 1700mAh oh ye flippin gods! yes, now we are talking phone! im seriously looking forward to seeing what people can make of this device :D ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Fwd: Re: Neo1973 Update!]
An one more thing.. Is there a camera for the phone too? Just because I saw on the Samsung's website that it has a camera support: Camera Interface supporting up to 4096 x 4096 resolution (2048 x 2048 pixel input support for scaling) http://www.samsung.com/products/semiconductor/MobileSoC/ApplicationProcessor/ARM9Series/SC32442/SC32442.htm Dan On 6/3/07, kenneth marken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phase 2 (GTA-02) will feature: -a 2D/3D-Graphics Accelerator -256MByte of Flash Memory -WiFi -updated battery: 1700mAh oh ye flippin gods! yes, now we are talking phone! im seriously looking forward to seeing what people can make of this device :D ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community (i forwarded them both as they looked like they where aimed at the group in general rather then to me specific. note that when you hit reply it only sends to the original sender, not the group as a whole!) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Fwd: Re: Neo1973 Update!]
3dacceleration? That means 3D desktop can be done now? Or what should we think of that? Dan On 6/3/07, kenneth marken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phase 2 (GTA-02) will feature: -a 2D/3D-Graphics Accelerator -256MByte of Flash Memory -WiFi -updated battery: 1700mAh oh ye flippin gods! yes, now we are talking phone! im seriously looking forward to seeing what people can make of this device :D ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: firefox for mobiles
here is a test of minimo 0.2: http://ekstreme.com/thingsofsorts/fun-web/first-look-at-minimo ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Maximum SDHC capacity supported?
Julien Goodwin wrote: On 11/05/2007 7:41 PM, Florent THIERY wrote: As there are some 8GB SDHC cards out there, are there limitations on the neo? (as soon as it's SDHC, shoudl'nt be it ok?) Last I heard, from a Nokia employee working on the 770 N800 SDHC is patented so they weren't able to add support for it in the N800. The only odd bit is that the patent is owned by Nokia themselves... well if they wanted to add support to said devices, they would have to licence the use of the patent to the community. this would in turn make them unable to licence it to other parties as they could in theory turn the community code into a free-standing library and use that... atleast thats my guess... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: firefox for mobiles
Bradley Hook wrote: That said, the full blown browser would be an awfully hefty app to put on a phone, and the minimo browser is currently targeting windows portables. Why not go with something with a tiny footprint, time-tested and proven lynx anyone? i would prefer w3m or some other with image capability... but then i have not used lynx in ages... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Total Control over the phone
Marco Miani wrote: hi everybody after lurking from the beginning of this list I have a question : Will we have total control over the GSM module? from what i recall the firmware will interact with the GSM part as if it was a modem or something like that. yep, that means those classical AT commands... I recently bought a Motorola Motofone F3 and my carrier ( Vodafone Italy ) called me for a firmware upgrade because the cellphone sends periodically an sms to a UK number, even if the phone is power off. Call me paranoid but I don't like a features like this. If my phone is power off, it must be like death . given that more and more phones use a soft key like power switch. the only way to be 100% sure a phone is dead is to yank the battery iirc. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: picture viewer
Ortwin Regel wrote: The problem I have with double tap zooming is that I'd like to have smooth zooming. I also don't like drawing a box for zooming but rather the picture reacting instantly to my motion. Not sure how well the first gen hardware will handle this, though. true, that iphone zoom works because its a feedback loop. as in, the longer one moves the fingers apart, the more one zooms. you do not have to do much in the way of translation between what you want to do and what actions to take... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: CrossPlatform Programming
xnike wrote: In future I want to write applications for Linux, OpenMoko,Windows (one source for various OS), but I don't know what libraries(GTK, QT4, wxwidgets) use for this. Is using QT4 worth it? Sorry for my terrible English. openmoko is GTK based so... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can OpenMoko Make Coffee? - SoC Project Proposal
Ben Burdette wrote: I think that the Neo1973 is both a phone and a portable handheld device. Using it as a remote control is one of the things I've personally been interested in this whole thing for. I'd like to think of the OpenMoko device as an extension of myself into the world of electronic devices. My own interface with the world ... until such time as we can get wetware to do brain-computer interfaces, ;). -- Me too. I want to use the moko to control a media center PC that is connected to my stereo, for queuing up audio files and etc. My PC uses a video projector for the monitor and turning on the projector is too much trouble just for queuing up audio. Leaving the projector on uses up the bulb life too. I wonder if one of the linux based media center apps like mythTV would work for this? A custom remote control app for the moko would be best, but a web browser interface would be fine too. hmm, bluetooth at both ends. is there a way to send a custom protocol between bluetooth devices without the need for a maintained serial style connection? hmm, i wonder if mythtv already have support for bluetooth based remote control... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can OpenMoko Make Coffee? - SoC Project Proposal
kenneth marken wrote: Ben Burdette wrote: I think that the Neo1973 is both a phone and a portable handheld device. Using it as a remote control is one of the things I've personally been interested in this whole thing for. I'd like to think of the OpenMoko device as an extension of myself into the world of electronic devices. My own interface with the world ... until such time as we can get wetware to do brain-computer interfaces, ;). -- Me too. I want to use the moko to control a media center PC that is connected to my stereo, for queuing up audio files and etc. My PC uses a video projector for the monitor and turning on the projector is too much trouble just for queuing up audio. Leaving the projector on uses up the bulb life too. I wonder if one of the linux based media center apps like mythTV would work for this? A custom remote control app for the moko would be best, but a web browser interface would be fine too. hmm, bluetooth at both ends. is there a way to send a custom protocol between bluetooth devices without the need for a maintained serial style connection? hmm, i wonder if mythtv already have support for bluetooth based remote control... err, while it may be bad netiquette to reply to oneself, i found this over on the mythtv wiki: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Bluetooth_Remote_with_WM5_Smartphone i guess one should be able to use the same mythbox part, but write a different part for the neo... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo1973 With Screen On at PopSci!
Bryan Fink wrote: Hi All. I was just browsing for Neo1973 pictures, as I do every few days, and finally found pictures of a Neo with the screen on! Check out Popular Science's 10-photo gallery: http://www.popsci.com/popsci/whatsnew/af9aa618ea7c0110vgnvcm104eecbccdrcrd.html Images 2 and 3 show the Neo booting up. It's quite amazing how much text fits on that screen. a very very sweet image seeing the classical linux boot scrolling over the screen with the penguin in the corner :) its allmost as if its alive when it does that. and its so informative when something goes wrong :D looking forward to this phone. just sad that i recently got a new phone. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Forums Page?
Paul Bonser wrote: On 2/20/07, Perry E. Metzger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: which seems to have a lot of what you're looking for (a lot of the discussion on the various mailling lists seems to end up getting distilled into wiki articles). It's interesting to note that most youngsters seem to prefer forums, and most of us old-timers (IIRC you're my age, Joe) prefer mailing lists. I wonder why that is? The youngsters have seen a lot of web based posting systems, don't remember usenet, don't have decent email systems that segregate lists into different boxes, and thus don't understand why anyone would use email or what the problems of web posting systems are. Perry You talk about it like usenet isn't around anymore. I'm 23 and I remember usenet. It came in handy back in the day when I was learning C++. I think that proper threading is much more useful than the linear threads in web forums these days.. its fully possible in some forums to have proper threading... and yes, im familiar with usenet. i even have a list of groups set up in thunderbird that i have not checked in ages... Anyway, I suppose that despite the fact that I might be considered a youngster, I consider myself much less technologically young that most people my age. good for you :) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: addon sleeves / casings - wish
kkr wrote: Or look like a hole on this one: http://www.infogiciel.info/article0325.html Le samedi 27 janvier 2007 à 19:31 +0100, Marcel de Jong a écrit : On 1/27/07, Lars Hallberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: polz skrev: According to this image: http://www.areamobile.de/images/handies/FIC/Neo1973/200611081450Neo1973_Rot-Gruen.jpg, the Neo1973's casing is supposed to have two pairs of grooves on each side. If I look at the larger version of that picture: http://www.linuxdevices.com/files/misc/fic_traveler_handset_fic-gta001.jpg It seems more like it's a button. are any of these pictures of the physical phone, or just computer renderings of how it will appear? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
SV: Free Your Phone
From: Rok Ruzic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 2007-01-21 10:14:52 CET To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Free Your Phone On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:12:22 + Renaissance Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But it's comments like yours that turn it into something like a religion. The person who proposed this in the first place had a pragmatic argument, not a religious one. Relative to many of you I know little about GNU and Linux but I can certainly see the practical reasons for using the GNU/Linux moniker. In fact the *act* of actually *using* the term GNU/Linux instead of Linux seems to me so trivial I have a hard time understanding why some of you are so opposed to it and want to turn it into a religious discussion. There is a clear distinction between the meanings of the two terms. Linux is just the kernel, while GNU/Linux is the OS, meaning kernel, tools, libraries etc. If you use the term Linux for both, then you have ambiguity and can cause confusion. Nothing religious here, just the practical need to avoid ambuguity. Kindly, Rox the problem with GNU/linux is that most distros today contain a whole lot of other stuff that chould may well claim it needs the same recognition as the GNU stuff. anyone up for a GNU/KDE|GNOME/CUPS/MYSQL/linux distro (example)... to me a better way would be for the writer to take the time to type kernel or distro every time linux comes up... that way you dont confuse people, and you dont start religious debates... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ipaq sleeves as an example for hardware extensions
Christopher Heiny wrote: On Wednesday 17 January 2007 14:37, kenneth marken scribbled in crayon on the back of a kid's menu: Christopher Heiny wrote: On Wednesday 17 January 2007 13:48, David Schlesinger scribbled in crayon on the back of a kid's menu: On 1/17/07 1:44 PM, kenneth marken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmm, i seems to be getting a bit of flak about this on osnews when it comes how bulky the phone can be. err, do people expect long lasting wifi from something with the bulk of a samsung ultraslim slider? We enjoyed the WiFi sleeves for the Compaq iPaqs when I was working at Palm. Took the battery life of the device down to about forty minutes. I used an iPaq for a year. Even with a sleeve with an extra battery in it, power was in short supply. And the darn sleeve was so bulky, it was like carrying a brick in my pocket. something tells your trying to say that sleeves is a bad idea... Gosh! Was it that transparent? :-) Actually, I don't know if sleeves themselves are inherently a bad idea. The iPaq's sleeves certainly sucked, but it's entirely possible that better implementations are possible. true. the biggest problem right now is that the usb port is unpowered. therefor any optential sleeve will have to carry its own power supply. outside of that, most of the hardware needed have become very small since the ipaq. question is tho if the fexibility afforded by a sleeve system is worth the extra bulk. yes the ideal device is something the thickness of a credit card that can house the computing power of a nuclear physics super cluster. but until one hits that spot, there will allways be a compromise between size and functions. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wish for 2nd generation Neo: USB 2.0
Sven Neuhaus wrote: Since everyone is drooling about the next iteration of the Neo which is exptected to include WiFi, I figured I'd add a request for USB 2.0. This allows us to use a USB VGA adapter (http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/06/08/add_a_monitor_using_usb/ - Linux driver available!). A VGA port enables the Neo2 to replace a laptop for doing presentations (in some cases) and you could even watch movies stored on its microSD card (or streamed by a BluOnyx) on a battery powered HMD! :-) and make sure the port is a powered one this time round ;) While you're at it, please include some kind of hardware graphics acceleration to speed up video playback and maybe allow cooler games... -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ipaq sleeves as an example for hardware extensions
Eric van Horssen wrote: kenneth marken wrote: http://www.mobiletechreview.com/tips/ipaq_sleeves.htm specifically check out the compaq pc card expansion sleeve plus. its a pc card (pcmcia iirc) addon that would allow the user to add anything, including wifi cards and similar. The sleeve could be attached to the USB bus, but... Since the USB bus is unpowered it would have to be a sleeve with batteries! (Which is a possibility in the list you gave) and with a seperate battery for wifi use (preferably able to use the same battery type as the phone) you dont have to worry as much about the phone running out with havy wifi use. hmm, i seems to be getting a bit of flak about this on osnews when it comes how bulky the phone can be. err, do people expect long lasting wifi from something with the bulk of a samsung ultraslim slider? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ipaq sleeves as an example for hardware extensions
David Schlesinger wrote: On 1/17/07 1:44 PM, kenneth marken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmm, i seems to be getting a bit of flak about this on osnews when it comes how bulky the phone can be. err, do people expect long lasting wifi from something with the bulk of a samsung ultraslim slider? We enjoyed the WiFi sleeves for the Compaq iPaqs when I was working at Palm. Took the battery life of the device down to about forty minutes. im guessing those where the unpowered kind? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
