Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
true, that would be easier. But it also need more electronics. On 3 March 2012 19:25, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: On Saturday 03 March 2012 10:00:27 Lionel Broche wrote: Coming back to the original message, is it possible for an averaged-skilled person to carry out the customisation of the GTA04 board to change the connector? Also, would it be feasible to make a GTA04 module that could be connected to external screens while powered, so that you could switch from tablet to phone? I just ask out of curiosity, but it would be fun to connect your phone to a large display in your car for easier sat nav, then take it back as a phone. Why not use a DisplayLink USB display like the touchscreens at [1]? You might even find a daylight readable one for the car. Not sure if GTA04 can charge while in host mode though - the docs suggest not but don't say explicitly. [1] https://newit.co.uk/shop/products.php?cat=16 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Am 03.03.2012 um 11:00 schrieb Lionel Broche: Coming back to the original message, is it possible for an averaged-skilled person to carry out the customisation of the GTA04 board to change the connector? Also, would it be feasible to make a GTA04 module that could be connected to external screens while powered, so that you could switch from tablet to phone? I just ask out of curiosity, but it would be fun to connect your phone to a large display in your car for easier sat nav, then take it back as a phone. Well, retrofitting the display connector is only one part. This needs quite sophisticated equipment. I was not able to do it myself even under a microscope (0.3 mm pin distance!). The second aspect is that the interface is not designed to be capable of automatically switching displays. The GTA04-Custom board has some components removed that either need space or are electronically in the way and to make the bottom side really flat. This are usually: display connector, touch screen controller, backlight converter battery spring contacts, speaker pogo pins, usb-otg socket, RS232 socket, backup battery/supercap, pushbuttons, LEDs, microphone, headset jack, IrDA. And, we use a variant without GPS, UMTS, and the FM-TRX in a PDA style device. This of course makes the board cheaper than a fully populated GTA04 board (as replacement for the GTA01/02 or an OpenPhoenux). Therefore you should see them as two different variants (with very much similar software, e.g. QtMoko runs on the PDA version with 3.5 inch screen after disabling the GSM modem functions). To summarize: yes, you can build a PDA around the GTA04-custom board but it is not exchangeable on the fly. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Coming back to the original message, is it possible for an averaged-skilled person to carry out the customisation of the GTA04 board to change the connector? Also, would it be feasible to make a GTA04 module that could be connected to external screens while powered, so that you could switch from tablet to phone? I just ask out of curiosity, but it would be fun to connect your phone to a large display in your car for easier sat nav, then take it back as a phone. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
On Saturday 03 March 2012 10:00:27 Lionel Broche wrote: Coming back to the original message, is it possible for an averaged-skilled person to carry out the customisation of the GTA04 board to change the connector? Also, would it be feasible to make a GTA04 module that could be connected to external screens while powered, so that you could switch from tablet to phone? I just ask out of curiosity, but it would be fun to connect your phone to a large display in your car for easier sat nav, then take it back as a phone. Why not use a DisplayLink USB display like the touchscreens at [1]? You might even find a daylight readable one for the car. Not sure if GTA04 can charge while in host mode though - the docs suggest not but don't say explicitly. [1] https://newit.co.uk/shop/products.php?cat=16 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: As far as I know, EAGLE 6 has a new XML format. So it should be possible to convert the file using the free (beer) version to XML. And from there to any tool of interest. Ok. The summary seems to be that if somebody wants to see the GTA04 schematics they have to use non-free software, at least for the initial conversion step. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
[cut] Ok. The summary seems to be that if somebody wants to see the GTA04 schematics they have to use non-free software, at least for the initial conversion step. Indeed it doesn't look good. IIRC Openmoko used GPL tools (KiCAD?) with some patches for schematics, right? Couldn't Goldelicious follow that way? -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Am 02.03.2012 um 10:04 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: As far as I know, EAGLE 6 has a new XML format. So it should be possible to convert the file using the free (beer) version to XML. And from there to any tool of interest. Ok. The summary seems to be that if somebody wants to see the GTA04 schematics they have to use non-free software, at least for the initial conversion step. No, I would not conclude that. One just needs to develop a file import converter for any free CAD software, if it does not yet exist. OpenOffice or LibreOffice e.g. has no problem reading Word/Excel/Powerpoint files. Or use the free(-beer) EAGLE once to do the conversion for the benfit of all. We can upload any converted files to the same server. Another question is why we use EAGLE for development. That has several reasons. One is that we have it, we know it, we know its bugs and limitations, it works, it is stable, we have a big component library. But the key argument is that it is challenging enough to develop a GTA04 so that we simply don't want to develop/change tools unless necessary because lack of functionality. We simply want to use them and keep away from potential problems that don't improve the result. The GTA04 would look exactly the same if it were developed by using different tools... Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
this is funny... you can use the same argument for windows. So GTA04 is not totally free snd then we can all buy an huawey+android phone... Bye d On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Am 02.03.2012 um 10:04 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: As far as I know, EAGLE 6 has a new XML format. So it should be possible to convert the file using the free (beer) version to XML. And from there to any tool of interest. Ok. The summary seems to be that if somebody wants to see the GTA04 schematics they have to use non-free software, at least for the initial conversion step. No, I would not conclude that. One just needs to develop a file import converter for any free CAD software, if it does not yet exist. OpenOffice or LibreOffice e.g. has no problem reading Word/Excel/Powerpoint files. Or use the free(-beer) EAGLE once to do the conversion for the benfit of all. We can upload any converted files to the same server. Another question is why we use EAGLE for development. That has several reasons. One is that we have it, we know it, we know its bugs and limitations, it works, it is stable, we have a big component library. But the key argument is that it is challenging enough to develop a GTA04 so that we simply don't want to develop/change tools unless necessary because lack of functionality. We simply want to use them and keep away from potential problems that don't improve the result. The GTA04 would look exactly the same if it were developed by using different tools... Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Am 02.03.2012 um 10:20 schrieb Patryk Benderz: [cut] Ok. The summary seems to be that if somebody wants to see the GTA04 schematics they have to use non-free software, at least for the initial conversion step. Indeed it doesn't look good. IIRC Openmoko used GPL tools (KiCAD?) with some patches for schematics, right? Couldn't Goldelicious follow that way? No they did use some commercial tool (Mentor PADS?) where there isn't even a free(-beer) version to open the files. And, they never published schematics and board files in any raw and editable format. Just PDF... Finally, this is an offer to use it. If nobody wants to use it, we could also remove it from the server :) Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Patryk Benderz patryk.bend...@esp.pl writes: Indeed it doesn't look good. IIRC Openmoko used GPL tools (KiCAD?) with Openmoko had the same problem. It was gta02-core project that pioneered an effort to convert the gta02 schematics to kicad format and improved kicad in the process. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: No, I would not conclude that. One just needs to develop a file import converter for any free CAD software, if it does not yet exist. Hmm, let me rephrase it then: The summary seems to be that if somebody wants to see the GTA04 schematics they have to use non-free software, at least for the initial conversion step, or develop an import plugin for EAGLE format. :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Am 02.03.2012 um 10:29 schrieb Davide Scaini: this is funny... you can use the same argument for windows. So GTA04 is not totally free snd then we can all buy an huawey+android phone... If you think huawey+android is free enough for you... Get one and try to design an adapter board for a different display. Good luck :) The GTA04 is not completely free hardware (and was never intended to become). It's main feature is that it is well enough documented so that it can run completely free software. And it does not even reach this goal completely (WiFi driver, SGX driver). Nikolaus Bye d On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Am 02.03.2012 um 10:04 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: As far as I know, EAGLE 6 has a new XML format. So it should be possible to convert the file using the free (beer) version to XML. And from there to any tool of interest. Ok. The summary seems to be that if somebody wants to see the GTA04 schematics they have to use non-free software, at least for the initial conversion step. No, I would not conclude that. One just needs to develop a file import converter for any free CAD software, if it does not yet exist. OpenOffice or LibreOffice e.g. has no problem reading Word/Excel/Powerpoint files. Or use the free(-beer) EAGLE once to do the conversion for the benfit of all. We can upload any converted files to the same server. Another question is why we use EAGLE for development. That has several reasons. One is that we have it, we know it, we know its bugs and limitations, it works, it is stable, we have a big component library. But the key argument is that it is challenging enough to develop a GTA04 so that we simply don't want to develop/change tools unless necessary because lack of functionality. We simply want to use them and keep away from potential problems that don't improve the result. The GTA04 would look exactly the same if it were developed by using different tools... Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Am 02.03.2012 um 10:42 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: No, I would not conclude that. One just needs to develop a file import converter for any free CAD software, if it does not yet exist. Hmm, let me rephrase it then: The summary seems to be that if somebody wants to see the GTA04 schematics they have to use non-free software, at least for the initial conversion step, or develop an import plugin for EAGLE format. Yes. Right. Somebody else has to jump in. We can't solve all problems of the world. Can you? Just a note because I think there may be some misunderstanding: this is not about the GTA04 schematics. Those are already published as PDF. And I am almost sure there are free PDF readers around :) This is all about a blueprint so that you can develop your own expansion/adapter board. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Am 02.03.2012 um 10:48 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: Am 02.03.2012 um 10:42 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: No, I would not conclude that. One just needs to develop a file import converter for any free CAD software, if it does not yet exist. Hmm, let me rephrase it then: The summary seems to be that if somebody wants to see the GTA04 schematics they have to use non-free software, at least for the initial conversion step, or develop an import plugin for EAGLE format. Yes. Right. Somebody else has to jump in. We can't solve all problems of the world. Can you? Just a note because I think there may be some misunderstanding: this is not about the GTA04 schematics. Those are already published as PDF. And I am almost sure there are free PDF readers around :) This is all about a blueprint so that you can develop your own expansion/adapter board. I should have added that you could have done it already with the technical data and descriptions in the GTA04 manual. Using any tools you like. But you would have to start from scratch and do everything yourself. So providing these files is a pure courtesy to kickstart development of such adapter boards. Since the focus of this thread may have been lost, it is all about this: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/CustomVariants/ Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: Yes. Right. Somebody else has to jump in. We can't solve all problems of the world. Can you? Of course not, I was only trying to figure out the facts here. It is important that people realize what bits still need work. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Am 02.03.2012 10:42, schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: No, I would not conclude that. One just needs to develop a file import converter for any free CAD software, if it does not yet exist. Hmm, let me rephrase it then: The summary seems to be that if somebody wants to see the GTA04 schematics they have to use non-free software, at least for the initial conversion step, or develop an import plugin for EAGLE format. I read in a forum that it should be possible to import eagle 6.x files into the free designspark layout software. I didn't try it myself but this is maybe worth a bit more investigation. Ciao, Rainer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
On Thursday 01 of March 2012 23:59:39 Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Fox Mulder quakem...@gmx.net writes: You can just install latest eagle 6.1 (win, linux, mac) and use it with light license for free which limits to 100x80mm board size and 2 layers. This freeware version exists as long as i can remember for eagle. :) I don't want limits, sorry :-) Personally speaking, I absolutely don't care as far as the board this thread is about is not reaching these limits. Eagle is very commonly used by people having interest in HW design and electronic and I'm sure that many of them will appreciate what Nikolaus offered. Zb. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
[cut] Openmoko had the same problem. It was gta02-core project that pioneered an effort to convert the gta02 schematics to kicad format and improved kicad in the process. I am sorry, you are right, thanks for correcting me. Anyway my point stays valid. Couldn't KiCAD be used for this? -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Am 02.03.2012 um 13:45 schrieb Patryk Benderz: [cut] Openmoko had the same problem. It was gta02-core project that pioneered an effort to convert the gta02 schematics to kicad format and improved kicad in the process. I am sorry, you are right, thanks for correcting me. Anyway my point stays valid. Couldn't KiCAD be used for this? Yes, sure. The requirements to the design tool for such an adapter board are not heavy. It can be done on 2 layers in 6 mil traces. So I am sure you can design such adapters with KiCAD. To simplify this even further I have added PDFs to the download. Of course you have to manually transfer the contents. http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/downloads/42/ Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
[cut] Yes, sure. The requirements to the design tool for such an adapter board are not heavy. It can be done on 2 layers in 6 mil traces. So I am sure you can design such adapters with KiCAD. Seems I was not clear enough. Can Timo Juhani Lindfors use KiCAD to open GTA04 schematics? I suppose not, so we get back to migration tool idea? -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Am 02.03.2012 um 17:26 schrieb Patryk Benderz: [cut] Yes, sure. The requirements to the design tool for such an adapter board are not heavy. It can be done on 2 layers in 6 mil traces. So I am sure you can design such adapters with KiCAD. Seems I was not clear enough. Can Timo Juhani Lindfors use KiCAD to open GTA04 schematics? I think you should ask that on the KiCAD mailing list. BR, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Am 01.03.2012 um 11:20 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: We now have released the schematics and board file of such an expander board (EAGLE 5.x format). I understood that it was not possible to open EAGLE files with free software. Is this still the case? There is a free (as in free beer) version of EAGLE with minor limitations. And any major CAD tool can import it. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: There is a free (as in free beer) version of EAGLE with minor limitations. And any major CAD tool can import it. At least two years ago when I was trying to find software that can open EAGLE files for Arduino boards I could not find any free software to do that. Maybe all the major CAD tools are non-free? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
At least two years ago when I was trying to find software that can open EAGLE files for Arduino boards I could not find any free software to do that. Maybe all the major CAD tools are non-free? The two major professional and free EDA tools for PCBs are 1. KiCad http://kicad.sourceforge.net 2. gEDA http://www.geda-project.org There are many other related tools like Qucs (simulation), boom (sourcing), and so on. For a good overview I recommend the Fedora Electronic Lab, see http://spins.fedoraproject.org/fel/#portfolio Or join the Qi Hardware planet at http://en.qi-hardware.com/planet which has a focus on free tools. Cheers, Wolfgang ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Wolfgang Spraul wolfg...@sharism.cc writes: At least two years ago when I was trying to find software that can open EAGLE files for Arduino boards I could not find any free software to do that. Maybe all the major CAD tools are non-free? The two major professional and free EDA tools for PCBs are 1. KiCad http://kicad.sourceforge.net 2. gEDA http://www.geda-project.org There are many other related tools like Qucs (simulation) I'm sure there are tools yes. I was just trying to ask if any of these can actually open the GTA04 EAGLE schematics that were advertised. Has anybody on the list managed to do that? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Timo Juhani Lindfors a écrit , Le 01/03/2012 13:40: Wolfgang Spraul wolfg...@sharism.cc writes: At least two years ago when I was trying to find software that can open EAGLE files for Arduino boards I could not find any free software to do that. Maybe all the major CAD tools are non-free? The two major professional and free EDA tools for PCBs are 1. KiCad http://kicad.sourceforge.net 2. gEDA http://www.geda-project.org There are many other related tools like Qucs (simulation) I'm sure there are tools yes. I was just trying to ask if any of these can actually open the GTA04 EAGLE schematics that were advertised. Has anybody on the list managed to do that? The is a free light version of EAGLE in Debian. $ apt-cache show eagle Package: eagle Version: 5.12.0-1 [...] Description-en: Printed circuit board design tool Eagle includes a layout editor, schematic editor, and an autorouter. The following limitations apply to the EAGLE Light Edition: The usable board area is limited to 100 x 80 mm (4 x 3.2 inches). Only two signal layers can be used (Top and Bottom). The schematic editor can only create one sheet. . Use of eagle freeware is limited to non-profit or evaluation purposes. See /usr/share/doc/eagle/copyright for more information. Homepage: http://www.cadsoft.de [...] _g. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Gilles Filippini a écrit , Le 01/03/2012 22:04: The is a free light version of EAGLE in Debian. $ apt-cache show eagle Package: eagle Version: 5.12.0-1 [...] Description-en: Printed circuit board design tool Eagle includes a layout editor, schematic editor, and an autorouter. The following limitations apply to the EAGLE Light Edition: The usable board area is limited to 100 x 80 mm (4 x 3.2 inches). Only two signal layers can be used (Top and Bottom). The schematic editor can only create one sheet. . Use of eagle freeware is limited to non-profit or evaluation purposes. See /usr/share/doc/eagle/copyright for more information. Homepage: http://www.cadsoft.de [...] Oops. Missed that: Section: non-free/electronics _g. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Am 01.03.2012 22:07, schrieb Gilles Filippini: Gilles Filippini a écrit , Le 01/03/2012 22:04: The is a free light version of EAGLE in Debian. $ apt-cache show eagle Package: eagle Version: 5.12.0-1 [...] Description-en: Printed circuit board design tool Eagle includes a layout editor, schematic editor, and an autorouter. The following limitations apply to the EAGLE Light Edition: The usable board area is limited to 100 x 80 mm (4 x 3.2 inches). Only two signal layers can be used (Top and Bottom). The schematic editor can only create one sheet. . Use of eagle freeware is limited to non-profit or evaluation purposes. See /usr/share/doc/eagle/copyright for more information. Homepage: http://www.cadsoft.de [...] Oops. Missed that: Section: non-free/electronics You can just install latest eagle 6.1 (win, linux, mac) and use it with light license for free which limits to 100x80mm board size and 2 layers. This freeware version exists as long as i can remember for eagle. :) Ciao, Rainer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Gilles Filippini p...@debian.org writes: The is a free light version of EAGLE in Debian. You mean the one that is in the non-free section? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Fox Mulder quakem...@gmx.net writes: You can just install latest eagle 6.1 (win, linux, mac) and use it with light license for free which limits to 100x80mm board size and 2 layers. This freeware version exists as long as i can remember for eagle. :) I don't want limits, sorry :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Am 01.03.2012 um 22:47 schrieb Fox Mulder: Am 01.03.2012 22:07, schrieb Gilles Filippini: Gilles Filippini a écrit , Le 01/03/2012 22:04: The is a free light version of EAGLE in Debian. $ apt-cache show eagle Package: eagle Version: 5.12.0-1 [...] Description-en: Printed circuit board design tool Eagle includes a layout editor, schematic editor, and an autorouter. The following limitations apply to the EAGLE Light Edition: The usable board area is limited to 100 x 80 mm (4 x 3.2 inches). Only two signal layers can be used (Top and Bottom). The schematic editor can only create one sheet. . Use of eagle freeware is limited to non-profit or evaluation purposes. See /usr/share/doc/eagle/copyright for more information. Homepage: http://www.cadsoft.de [...] Oops. Missed that: Section: non-free/electronics You can just install latest eagle 6.1 (win, linux, mac) and use it with light license for free which limits to 100x80mm board size and 2 layers. This freeware version exists as long as i can remember for eagle. :) As far as I know, EAGLE 6 has a new XML format. So it should be possible to convert the file using the free (beer) version to XML. And from there to any tool of interest. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Am 01.03.2012 um 22:59 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: Fox Mulder quakem...@gmx.net writes: You can just install latest eagle 6.1 (win, linux, mac) and use it with light license for free which limits to 100x80mm board size and 2 layers. This freeware version exists as long as i can remember for eagle. :) I don't want limits, sorry :-) Once the data is converted to some other file format (please let me know how you did it), there are no limits. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
